 Happy Christmas for the viewers on my channel. This is the first video that's been uploaded this week And I think you guys for your patience, but I'm super super excited today. We're gonna have a really fun day I of course have the lovely Catherine Edwards from her channel over at Catherine Edwards I have Lorne and Shanti from Aquarius Rising Africa, and then of course I have Cindy from Sacred Garden Yoga I know that these none of these lovely people with me today need any introduction because you guys all know them But nonetheless here. They are I will put in case you don't know them I will put all their links down in the description box below so you can go and give them a follow as well How are you guys doing today? Good Yes Yeah, I'm I'm I think I was saying oh what and you've got your tree up said naval Mary Saturnalia We're gonna talk about today all the different pig and it's so funny because this week We were trying to do that show on Aquarius Rising Africa course Monday We ended up not putting this show up in a Tuesday the internet got bad And so that's why I said just join us on this round table because we were gonna talk about these Pagan roots of Christmas Anyway, which I don't think is shocking to most of our viewers I think most of our viewers know that majority of the holidays that we have that are considered to be of Christian Roots are not actually of Christian roots, but are of Something different and not not necessarily always dark, but sometimes it is dark. So do you guys want to talk about Saturnalia and first? Wait to learn all about this because it's not something I know a lot about I've been doing a bit of research So I couldn't be happier to hear from you bunch of experts on this Well, can I tell you guys what so there's I think we've all had a couple of like red-pilled moments in our lives like little things That led us to where we are now and the Saturnalia in brotherhood Was one of those big red pills for me and I'll tell you guys what happened I was in India at the time and I was taking an oil bath And I know I've talked about oil baths on my channel before but it's basically you put your cast oil all over Your body for it to pull out and purity we do that like once a week when we're in India You sit for like an hour with the oil on your body and then you wash it off and it's it's an amazing Amazing thing to do. It's so good for your health But anyway, I was in this position where I was sitting on a towel with castor oil all over me And I put Jordan Maxwell's lecture on the Saturnalia in brotherhood up on my computer to watch while I was Doing the castor oil bath and I had castor oil all over my hand So I couldn't really touch my computer and I literally it was like tough love from God Like I had to sit there and watch that whole lecture and I was shook it After it was done with how much is manipulated by this cult of Saturn Which Saturn itself I will say for people watching and I think this is kind of Something that as for those of us who are awake or in this movement need to understand is that? everything that's been inverted by this Dark cult was at one point good and a lot of what we're what we're gonna have to do is bring everything back to its original template So when we talk about the Saturnalia and festival and brotherhood Even though some of their activities were quite nefarious. It doesn't mean that Saturn is nefarious They just manipulated the elements of Saturn to their own Activities will say I know we're going on YouTube. So if you care for what they say But Saturn is where we get the word Satan from and Santa Claus So it's where we get our wedding bands from the rings of Saturn It's why women wear earrings the rings of Saturn. It's why When we graduate from Universities, we have a black square on our head that Saturnalia It's comes from the top of Saturn. You are when you graduate you are inducted into the fraternity of Saturn That's why judges and priests wear black robes Because they are judging and being a priest for the cult of Saturn the cult of Satan Which we know a lot about the a modern-day Christian church not actually being a Christ based but more Satanic so that makes sense. We know that's why we call things like Times Square Your your own town square. It's all coming from the square of Saturn All sorts of stuff on this festival now the festival of the Saturnalia and took place at this time in the Roman Empire the 12 days of the Saturnalia Festival, which sounds very familiar, right? The 12 days of Christmas It was a You know a fun party where they wore bright colors and they drank and they had feast. They also did Figure out how I can say this on YouTube rituals of the humankind will say In a temple to Saturn y'all know what I'm saying and Yeah, and then it of course runs into the New Year, which is the worship of the God I think it's Jan you as well Which is not the real New Year the real New Year should be in the springtime But um anyway, so Cindy do you want to take over from there and talk about Saturn a little bit? Well, I will talk about the good side of Saturn Is that is that okay? Yeah, absolutely absolutely Saturn was created for everything was created for good. It just got inverted by by that group That's the reason I wanted to talk about more of the the bet You know so so that some of the more like the truth can come out like Saturnalia was definitely it was You know other Saturn and then Kronos is the Greek the Greek version of the father of time He's one of the elder planets and in the Romans they also considered him the planet of agriculture because you know Saturn is a planet of Limitations, but he's also kind of like the planet that you know that rules time and If you're wanting to make a peace and understanding with time if you want to understand your own Limitations and how to work with your limitations You know you can pull in Saturn in this kind of a way not in a various way But in a way to just understand yourself more and to understand like you know Like your limitations and and how you can like bust through them and work through them well Saturn he was also The the planet for agriculture, which was one of the reasons that like the not in the farious But just like the regular folks they They they did the Saturnalian festivals because yes the winter solstice was coming in the winter was also For all the indigenous people at the time, you know, whether it was north or South America or your European Well, it's mainly North America South America is on is flipped, right? But the winter solstice was also it was a celebration of the return of the light, of course But it was also a time when famine it was it was a Big time for things like famine and stuff to happen because the crops were going to run low and all this stuff And so they did a festival for Saturn to help like with To get through though the winter solstice and then they put up things like, you know Christmas trees and the reeds and all that stuff to represent like the greenery represented like there's still life There's still life Within winter let's remind ourselves of that and and most of the things that they they did like the greenery and the Christmas trees and all That was either a celebration or an offering, you know, to the to the planet Saturn and also To ward off evil spirits almost everything was to ward off evil spirits because at the time that's that's the way they lived Right because it's if it's starvation and storm and all this storms and all these plagues Things happened. I mean that was there is there's evil spirits So they put up like Christmas treats and reeds and they had all their ceremonial Practices to ward off anything that was that that could be you know considered nefarious or that would cause a problem for themselves and so Saturn was just a Saturnalia. It was just a big festival a celebration of the return of the light and And in the old Roman times There there was a time that was considered the golden age way back when when actually Saturn was the ruler Yeah, it was also a time when everything was Was prosperous and the agriculture was good and it was strong And so that's why they celebrated Saturnalia as well as a way of honoring this golden age of time and and then there was the giftgivings and a lot of debauchery You know, but debauchery of the more of the celebratory kind and where they inverted things like you know, because of course they had slavery back of them, but then They turned the slaves into masters for that one day and the masters were the ones that were serving the slaves And they did things like that during during the festival of Saturnalia So that is more of like more of the upside of the festival When there wasn't you know, when there's not any negative things going on Yeah, yeah, and again guys, I want to really specify that that there everything that's been inverted Um, in our world started as a positive thing and it's interesting because we know that all of the If you guys have been on my channel for a while You remember when we read through the apocalypse of Abraham which was one of the band's books of the bible And i'll say it again the reason why these books were banned it wasn't about protecting us It was about protecting the powers that be but in the apocalypse of Abraham God tells Abraham that the planets and the stars live in the fifth Firmament and that they are messengers Well, we know that messengers is also another name for messengers angel And so there's a life within planets that we have not been made aware of but it is in all these old texts And I got this from a man named Zebediah rice and he explained it like our earth that we live in is the physical world Our moon is the emotional world Miracle is the intellectual world and these are the three human life experiences But then we make a pivot with venus and venus takes us into the intuitive self And this is where mars jupiter and saturn lie And so with that being said if we look at saturn for the way god created it Then god did create saturn to be a messenger. We know that when we're 20 we hit the age of 27 We each go through our own saturn return Which is wild which I don't think you're actually an adult until you go through that saturn return because it totally kicks your ass and uh Yeah, yeah morning Do you want to speak on that a little bit more about to the audience about the saturn return for We're about 27 years old Well, I can Yeah, I just like when I would hit that I actually went through a little dark night of the soul as well And you really had to look at where you are in your life. It's like it's like for me It's like the pop-up coming home now. Okay. What have you done in 30 years? Or, you know, what have you done? Okay? cool Sort out stuff sort out stuff says that really and what is amazing about that as well If you look at the sra survivors, that is also the same time when they the programming starts wearing off Really? Yeah, there's a lot about the same time as the saturn return when the programming starts Going off. So it's fascinating. So I always think about when we speak about it I mean should tell can speak about it even more but When that's usually that time when the programming goes off because saturn comes back and saturn says, okay You need to sort out your stuff now closet for every all the stuff out of the closet Rearrange get sorted. It's like the real authority figure and I mean it's like and if you look at Why they invert that energy? I can understand it because it's that it's like take no Take no bull It's either if you were bad, you've got to get some bad stuff coming back to you And if you were good, there's going to be some good stuff coming back to you. It's like that comic planet for me and in that sense So they want like they want to harvest that comic energies and maybe like Create even more fuel. I can I'm just thinking about it right now If while they're using that planet for like saturn and everything like that is for that comic energies Because if you look at saturn, it's really the comic stuff that comes back to you It's like a resolution With like taking back. Yeah coming back around. Yeah, so maybe that's why they want to harvest in that energies I think right now Because saturn is also like this tricks too You know saturn is the ruler of like the time like you said So it's like you have to get up at this point. You have to eat at this point You have to go to work So there is a element of saturn that could be a little boring because it's like matrix based It's like how to like live how to stay alive basically But they look how they've used that To just over time they've harnished that energy so much to like really Force us into this like controlled grid But it's interesting about the saturn alien uh the return of saturday at 27 because you think about it too Like when a kid is in their early to mid 20s If they make a mistake or they're you know something it's it's okay You know like you're still young but then once you jump over the 27 mark It's not it's more serious at that point because you really entered into like the land of being an adult And you you have to be I mean, what is it in the united states kids can stay on their parents health insurance until they're 26 Right, cindy. Is that correct here in the united states? I think so and also, um I find it interesting that about the same time that the the saturn return happened is when your brain gets fully my Myelinated Because it's not until you're it starts somewhere about 20 it can be somewhere between 23 to set 27 years old Like a human brain isn't formulated completely formulated until about that age Which is another reason why certain amounts of maturity comes in why 20 year olds make you know Not the greatest decisions in the world because they're the frontal lobe hasn't myel myelinated yet But I just find that the interesting how those two pieces come together Like when your brain is finally fully formed and then your saturn return they they coincide One each other with each other you get your universe beats the crap out of you right around the time that your brain fully fully exactly The human is very beautifully designed that you should I mean like the whole stages of how we become a human And that's why we're here. We're here to be human. You're not here to be like spiritual beings having spiritual Then we are we are spiritual beings having to We came here for the human experience and you can't fast forward that stuff No, you can't fast forward that stuff and I think a lot of And let's say new ages that those people are going back to the ancient ones They want to fast forward stuff quick fixes quick I want to activate my kundalini open my third eye But being a human it takes that you have to go through that stages of physical Development teenager 20s 30s And really climb that ladder and that's I think what all what people would call Growing up gracefully growing all gracefully And not forcing it. So yeah We have to go through those stages like the saturn return and Everything is connected so beautifully if you look at the body and the stars and The stages everything is very much synchronized. So there's such beauty in that Anyways, what do you guys think? I'm looking forward to growing up and more disgracefully as each year goes by I can have that bit of it as well. It's a stand to joke in our family But all in moderation, of course Yeah, so now we have a second saturn return at what 60 is it 60? We get our second saturn return And I corrected saying that I don't think it's mid 50s 50s 50s 50s. It'll be from any time from your mid 50s. Yeah Yeah, it was not just one of those So that'll usually be when we go through menopause Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So depending also how many times saturn has gone retrograde And at what stage you were born, you know, and we how senate Satan was aspecting at the time So of course when and how many times along its journey it's gone retrograde So, you know, some people will have a saturn return 27 It could be anything from let's say 27 till 32 And that'll be, you know, when we get our real First often people then maybe have Get married then or have a baby Some life-changing experience Often occurs through which we need to learn our lessons. You see for me I'm a double aquarium, but if you look at ancient astrology Satan rules Aquarius. Yeah so I I've learned to work with saturn a lot. So basically if I'm looking and I love the ancient The ancient teachings I really do, you know, because I really think there's So much more tangible truth in that before all this icing was iced over, you know So for me that is that that is very real because saturn Gets a really hard rap because of these reasons But really when you look at that satan is the wise old teacher He's known in astrology as the wise old uncle So you can look at a satan as being the punisher and the one that says I don't see satan as that you see because I must say a lot of a lot of people for example see god As this authoritarian figure that's going to judge and punish you I don't I've never had that experience with god. I've always had a beautifully positive experience in my childhood With god that god is the sun and I just see god as the sun and wrapping me with rays. So for me That's what satan was when I had my satan return. My fiance was killed in a carjacking And a week before that I was taken for 500 000 ran in my business So with intent within a week. I lost everything My child was 10 years old So I had to do some very very fancy footwork To understand but thank gosh I was already understanding astrology And I was already studying astrology So that taught me and I knew immediately Seeing how things were aspected What I needed to learn So I knew that's where my greatest spiritual growth lay and it's because of that That I do the work I do today So I sat with god and I sat with myself and I sat with my pain And I saw The transformational or the alchemy within that And that's when I was led onto my path. So had it not been for that I would not be doing what I'm doing today And through that experience, I've been able to dive very very deep into myself And find gems within myself that I didn't even know existed And through that I've been able to pass that on because that's the gift through the experience that satan taught me So satan is the transformational uncle and also when we look at the chakra system satan is the root chakra So I always say and this is my philosophy The root chakra is the chakra of karma because when you look at that chakra a child comes in It's the nought to eight developmental stage, right? So a child is completely helpless during that period of their lives They're relying on everyone to take care of them Societies teachers all of these things So when that is a safe environment The child has a safe feeling When it's not a safe environment when satan goes ballistic It's also I believe karma that child is brought in in this life that Helplessness is eventually when you understand the structure of satan because satan gives structure And it's it's up to us to get the flow within the structure And that's where we as humans get it wrong because the structure would be the masculine and the flow the feminine So we are still separated within the masculine feminine and we can see that in the relationships We have right with men and women. We completely Mostly don't understand each other, but when we Fall in love with satan Or the masculine within you Then you understand structure is something very necessary In order for the flow to occur in a harmonious and a focused way So that's what satan is for me. So you understand your karma You understand your foundation and if it's distorted you understand You've made that agreement with god before you came in to experience this broken state In order to rebuild which is what the root chakra is about right earth and satan And when you have that stable understanding and you don't get that when you're a child Let's face facts. These are things we only receive much later on in life But then we go back and we rebuild and we understand our journey. We understand our lessons We've received the lessons from satan. We've sat with a wise uncle And we've looked at ourselves and we've melted down our resistances And then the gold occurs. That's where the alchemy lies is that ability to to to melt that lead to let satan just Take that for satan's the nuts in the bolts, you know, it's the nuts in the bolts of the planet. It's got to be that fine working Well oiled machine And when that well oiled machine is well oiled it works very well And everything within the vicinity works well, too So that for me is what satan's about and that's what satan brought me. So I love satan And how interesting today that christmas, which is the saturn alien festival falls on saturday Which is the day named after saturn for those who didn't know that now we know in the old, um Jewish faith and the original christian faith that you were supposed to rest on the Sabbath, which is saturday The saturday and in traditional yoga We rest on saturday because it's the day of karma of our karma. That's a saturday So it's a day of reflection of deep reflection over what we've learned and so when we start I love how you said that shanti about understanding the way like how our ancestors understood this system And they worked it into the daily lives. I mean all of our you know, monday is the moon sunday is the sun We go on and on with all the different planets have different days associated Tuesday is mars, which is also in the hindu faith. That's the day of hanuman Which is the warring monkey god that we spoke about a little bit for with a Few up to few round tables ago and like in india Or and even here in the united states like we don't give students new postures on tuesday because it's the day of mars And so my teacher in india won't shave his face on monday or else tuesday. Sorry because he doesn't want to work with a razor because it's the day of mars, which is the warring day Um, it's so fascinating. So like our ancestors understood this You know, you talk about the chakra system in the bible. You look at um, jacob's ladder That's the chakra system. It's in all these old text So it is and again, I want to emphasize that that everything that we have in this world Darkness cannot create anything. It can only take from the light. So sad. So when we start to unravel these Yeah, so saturn is not itself is it has a proper template It hasn't a proper place within our our society and our own personal makeup and our own personal understanding and in our own relationship with ourself in the world around us. It's just Bad people have tried to manipulate the energy, but we're going to claim that back and we're going to Cleanse it and bring it back to where it needs to be because saturn is saturn is a messenger What do you guys think? Do you think it planets are like? We know that the earth is a conscious living being and the planets are as well But knowing that we don't actually know what we're standing on right now in this great awakening surprise We have no clue what what we're actually standing on. What do y'all think of plant? Do you think all these other planets are like are in line with like the angels? As far as their power and their abilities I think there's the possibility for sure And yeah, and they're they're living entities that Reflect who you are, you know, we've talked about before the mystics axiom or some call it the witches axiom you know the as above so below And the the the the stars the cosmic forces are are forces that are simply reflections of our own self And as part of that, you know, the seven main the seven main planetary influences because those were the ones that the ancients she's like Neptune and Uranus and Pluto They weren't discovered quite yet Which is why they aren't a part of the the older template because they weren't They the are the ancient people hadn't seen it yet But for the seven main planetary influences, you know, they were reflections of us and as part of that like a reflection of our human experiences The the benevolent like the fully benevolent planets were like, you know, jupiter and venus and sun and the moon and the ones that had a little bit of And and this is where you know, you just got to get the wording right because it's not like they're bad But they also had to contain like the human aspects Which is Saturn and Mars. So, you know, Saturn has You know, like the limitations things like the shunt shuntel was saying But it's there for you like if you work with Saturn in a good way It's like one of the most powerful planets that you can work with because it busts through like your subconscious and the things that That you might not want to look at yourself yet You know, we've talked about the subconscious and the shadow and all that and Saturn helps to pull that That out of you. So, you know, Saturn and Mars Those usually hold the energies of what we would What some would may consider we don't like them or we dislike them or they're they're a little They they give some friction But that friction some of that friction is is necessary Which which is why some of those Or some of the most potent planets to work with if you really want true alchemy and transformation work with the ones that You know, give you a little bit of this and it will reveal things The challenging when they challenge each other Yeah, yes, exactly Yeah They have robbed all this And I know that you know, and there's different, you know, you're talking about the angelic beings and there's different traditions But I've also heard that, you know, archangel Michael Mikael is is very related to the sun like the sun and Mikael But, you know, I think there's different different lines different traditions that will tell you different and the Gabrielle is with the moon and Raphael, I believe is with mercury um I can't remember the other ones So there's like a line of angels that are also very much tied to the planets as well Those are the three that I remember I remember the Oracle parts here But it's so funny because in my studies of the missing books of the bible growing up in the presbyterian church We only talked about two arch archangels and that was Michael and Gabriel You know, of course, we know Michael is like the bad ass like I'm gonna cut the head off of the snake type of warrior angel and he shows up as like a purple light And we have Gabriel who allegedly was the angel that You know told Mary and Joseph they were going to be giving birth to the Christ child But if you look through all the missing texts the bible you get all the names of this these tribes of archangels Um that were it's it's interesting. We talk about like we talk about the planets and how we don't actually understand I don't think majority of people In our world right now really understand planetary involvement because we know that we haven't been fed the truth about the planets But we've also been robbed of information about the angels because they've taken away all these manuscripts that that actually Describe, I mean the book of enoch. We talked about this. I talked about this yesterday with a couple people Um enoch walks with a bunch of the different archangels like they're in the book But of course that book was removed from Text as well And so but how interesting is it that even when so much stuff was removed we still found the information anyway You know, that's how there's the The enochian dictionary Which is the the dictionary that he came up that uh, It was I think channeled messages But it was the language of the the angels the enochian dictionary the light language I actually know two people now that speak the light language Um, yeah, I know a couple people as well. They're amazing It's wild. It's wild. I got when I um when I heard them speaking on monday night I got like emotional and I I knew I did what they were saying, but I was like I got like I'm like designated in my dna to hear this like light language being spoken. So Yeah, yeah So what do you think catherine? Is this all new for you or have you heard this before? Um, I've heard it in different versions before. Um, so it's really nice seeing everyone's different perspective on it And I suppose it's interesting when I was going through there. I was thinking right I wonder what I'm I'm going to be much more aware now of watching the animals and if they have different behavior patterns on different days of the week Um, because it's not something actually I've paid much attention to before so I'm definitely going to pay some attention to that and and see how they're responding um And I think I think it's funny, isn't it? We say how everyone's distorted everything But I think a lot of it we know we know deep in our bodies We know deep in our souls don't we that it wasn't ever true and most of it didn't make sense of what we've been told before so Um, I think a lot of it is like you always say walking each other home when you hear a lot of this It just makes sense. It just makes a lot of sense although I do always wonder With the whole planetary things it's so intriguing because like you and I've spoken about on numerous occasions where We don't really know what we're standing on at the moment, but isn't that the same for the whole planetary system as well? So the energy is absolutely, but what everything is really like and how far away everything is and What they're actually made of and what they actually look like it's just such a big unknown still isn't it? And I really like that mystery. I think there's some things that Should remain quite mysterious So my Don't think planets could be portals as well You go into a planet because I've heard that about the sun I don't want to get near the sun though because it still kind of scares me a little bit, but I mean you call them down. That's how you work with the planets is You call them down when you make sacred space and and you want to work with the planets in that way Yeah, like you you know you create It's looking here. I have like altars all over my house but where You can and I used to have them set up like one for venus and one for jupiter and one for the sun and here and there but You can call them down and work with them for sure that way and And I think you know that way you you absorb the energy I don't know if you would consider that like a portal But that is like you absorbing and it's it's like the energy of that particular planet is with you It comes to it comes to you you meet it and it meets you Do you know all the days Cindy because I know only a few of the days that are associated with planets Do you know the whole seven day a week? Do any of you guys know each day? I know like a saturday sat monday the moon tuesday Mars Mars and and you know the The english version most of the english version is named after the norse Yeah, it's in goddess. Whereas if you say it in latin That takes more of the roman and the plant the the planets because you know the the norse the greeks The romans they all have very similar entities and deities like you know for instance jupiter and thor and uh in jove Zeus Zeus excuse me Zeus like they're all kind of representative of the thursday Yeah, thursday is thursday, which is the norse, but then it's wevis In like more the latin or that's the that's the spanish way you say wevis which is joves day And joves is also another name for jupiter and like friday It could be fray is day or friggs day, which is the norse goddess But then it's viernes, which is like venus's day And yes, so mercury is wednesday miercolis mercury wednesday and uh wednesday I don't know the norse god is Associated with that one, but i'm sure there's one there and then mars. Yes martes Yeah, uh tuesday and uh, i'm going all over the place here with the days, but yes sundays sunday monday monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday we talked about venus. That's the day of the goddess And the saturday is your saturn Well, you even have in the hindu faith the different deities have different days like monday shiva Uh tuesday is hanuman and then i don't know the rest. I just have one day tuesday So Yeah, and there's also a planetary hours. Yeah, too Like certain hours in the day, which is fascinating, right? Right monday, and there's an app that you can use time nomad It's an app that you can download on your phone It's one of the apps and that tells you what planetary hour That you're in so like for instance, let me see if I can find it Right right now. We are in the hour venus. Oh here on the east coast Yeah, so we're coming in here He knows that we're probably uh, what's the opposite of you guys start now? What then if time's an illusion Time is a point in space That's what time is it's a position in space. It's where you are at in space So time is an illusion, but it's very true. It's very real And it's still unexplainable, but it's still it is real. It's where you are at yourself in space And you can shift into yeah in the now And you can shift in any timeline that you want by making choices or doing stuff like that, but I Yeah, I said time is Some people it's like time is illusion. Yes, but time is very relevant So with what it's just a word for a moment in where you are with I would say the creator Everything is the creator everything is God everything is I mean, we're just aspects of God experiencing yourself in my world Everything is just God. So where are you inside of God right now? Where do you choose to be right now? Uh for me that is and that's why everything reflects like the planets Everything is consciousness in that sense if you I think if I speak about God, it's like a consciousness It's a consciousness. It's like this little this fine fabric that creates everything It's the consciousness and planets carry consciousness like crystals if you take crystals as well if you were I love my Christmas. I love What you get to know a crystal it's almost like that energy becomes part of you So when I am I don't then I don't need to crystal with me anymore When I was like I do a lot of when I work with clients and stuff like the crystal eating and stuff I don't need that crystal with me anymore. I can just think about that crystal and the energy will come out of my hand It's like I can feel that same energy and the same with me is with planets as well Planets are there to just help us Understand something inside of us. That's already inside of us So once you understand that thing inside of you then suddenly Then it clicks then you become sat in then you become that crystal they become and it's like that's how God wanted to I think like the illusion of separateness The greatest illusion of it all because we've never been separate from God We've never been separate from planets. We've never been separate from crystals We've never been separate from the angels It's everything is so much connected inside of our own bodies And once you get it then you don't need it anymore. Then you become it Yeah, and we are crystals that's what that means. Yeah Yeah, you go It's like what I was saying, you know, we were saying earlier about satan being the Planet that governs the root chakra. Well, each of the chakras are governed by planets So what you were saying bryas is, you know, are they portals by hell? Yeah, they portals every each one of your chakras is a portal So when you tap into again, you know the energy within you So one of the one of the indian swamis said something very beautiful Um, and he said as long as your inner astrology is not aligned Your outer astrology can never be aligned So, you know the planets within you so when we working with each energy Within that that let's say your your your your your sacral center, which would naturally be the moon the feminine the water energy Okay, so let's say if you're having issues in that area, the energy you would work with is the feminine moon subtle energy that Shows you a shadowy side of yourself and if you just stole and and and you know We like in terms of yoga the yin yoga would match that, you know You stole you you reaching into those places within yourself that are not always comfortable You know, so it's that it's that it's that it's that type of thing with with each with each of the planets So yes, there are portals they're portals to within yourself And the external version of that is merely reflected Um In your in your external world and what I wanted to say as well About the satan return, you know, you were saying earlier about when do we have our second satan return now the first satan return is always about Teaching, you know, as we said in my experience it was now do you become a victim of just another statistic in this country of crime and bitter and Because that's what happens a lot, you know Around here Well, do you take this experience and turn it around and turn it into the best gift that god could ever imagine you to have? And I said, oh hell yeah the second option. Thank you, you know so if we choose to remain victims of our circumstances even after satan has come around at the age of let's say 27 to 30 in our lives and gives you these challenges so naturally if you've Gained the lesson through the teaching you're going to be exploring and expanding For the next 27 years, right? So let's say then by the time 54 55 60 comes You have your second satan return and what happens then is if you haven't Taken the gift and the lessons from the first 27 years it then becomes double So that's when we usually go through menopause or or change of life, whatever you want to call it And that's where a lot of women especially will battle Because you've got to also see that's Where we experience and how we experience our change of life. It really is just a transition Into another phase of life Now you're either going to battle with that transition because you haven't really navigated the roads that well For the last 27 or 30 years You've ignored a lot of things. You've shortcutted here and there you haven't taken keys for certain things And you know, let's think about it in that practical way And now when you get to that age and you have wisdom So now you offered wisdom because that's usually when you become a grandmother or you know Your children are Are out of the home and you wiser, you you know, so that's where wisdom will then Become part of your nature and that's the gift that satan brings us Is absolute wisdom. Yeah, and you know, so every phase and of course then another Depending on you somewhere between 80 or 90 if you're lucky enough to live that that old you would have another experience I was about to ask because we've been hearing that we're gonna live like 400 extra years years. I'm like now how many satan returns are we gonna go? Just getting wiser and wiser right I just have to add to that. What's the planet off the satan? It's Jupiter It's Jupiter. So then the big big happy grandpa or grandma comes and spoil you because you're finally Finally resolved and everything such they come to that they come to You know Yeah Just go through it And grandma's gonna give me some chocolates I'm sorry I'll say my research. Um, a lot of these old Catholic churches in europe, especially Notre Dame and in uh, france were built on top of jupiter temples Mm-hmm. Yeah, jupiter. Wow mac daddy Yeah As well, that's very I mean he was the most benevolent of the planets and there were a big altar set up for jupiter Back in the day for sure. So, yeah, I heard I didn't Saturn was the most malevolent right jupiter the most benevolent and satan the most malevolent. So they were these opposing Forces the giving and taking yeah interesting It's funny. Um, I was did I did a show with 107 once where he talked about the little Spot on jupiter that we know that kind of looks like a thunderstorm that that spot actually Transfers to different and I'm totally paraphrasing what he said said guys I'm not going to say it as eloquently as he said it But it transfers to certain places on our planet as well, especially where we see like the pyramids That also connects back to jupiter as well to this little spot on jupiter that we all know that little eye of jupiter So it's so fascinating, isn't it? And I think I think you're right I think I love the mystery more than the actual knowledge because there's so much more power there than we're actually aware of and You know, we know that astrology itself even backing away from the planets Just looking at the constellations of the stars is really our how it keeps that that that galactic time for us Is where we actually are in relationship to all the other cosmos because we're not separate from the cosmos We're a part of that galactic Cosmo and it was interesting when we look at the structure that we've been given as far as you know The sun and all the planets that kind of revolve around the sun, but if you if you restructure How we're living I almost kind of see it as almost like we're in like a snow globe, you know like It kind of reshapes the way these planets actually Move around where we are in order to inform us Does that make sense? Am I making sense and guys again? I if you had told me five years ago that I would be Questioning what the earth looked like I would have told you you were crazy, but right now Yeah Catherine and I we've talked about this like how far away actually are we like are we really Touched everyone You were laughing about the canadian geese flying over to england and you know how far they have to fly from canada to get to england But then we're like wait a minute Because I was in so in awe about how amazing their bodies must be let alone their navigation skills when I need my satnav for everywhere But these canadian geese you're thinking wow that is incredible And I was saying if I find out that really we're so much closer I'm gonna have to go and have a word with them and take it all back Impressive after I know like today by the way, they were 12 on my neighbor's pond. Wow Local have appeared. Yeah Well, I think anybody speaks geese. Maybe they can tell us exactly how far away the united kingdom is from the north american continent So they can I'm gonna tell me yet. No, no I have to figure it out for myself But it is some fun if it is really really interesting and it's interesting how You get to stage. I mean you get you think that what we've been told about christmas has been there forever And then you realize how recent in our history that story and those celebrations have actually been taking place Yeah, they Council of nicaea was like but I've talked about a lot on my channels when constantine Changed gave the saturn alien festival the christ birth story Of the yule log. That's part of the saturn alien festival of creating a warmth for north So the saturn alien festival is very for anybody who um, I love how you say sunday be an indigenous to northern europe, which is Well, you have some northern european and you too as well. Don't you sunday? Don't you have european? Yeah, I actually well, I have um I have the southern europe like spain, of course, because that's you know, who came over to south america south spain portuguese and What's the other one spain and portugal are the main ones, but I do have a little bit of northern like I have some irish, which is really strange I'm like The irish are mystical. What's a mystical land? Yeah, they're mystical, but I think you know it's sad I think a lot of us, you know white people that I think a lot of our indigenous roots were the first to kind of be Taken away from us, but we still We still have them in our our culture. It's just called something else now Well, they were the first to be demonized By the whole, you know the whole everything that happened with the The transformation over to the christian faith years The western the european were the first to be demonized and to to be absorbed You know, that's what happened with a lot of these Winter solstices it was just simply absorbed into the the christian faith so that they can You know make everyone follow along Yeah, that is like sad. I think they try to really Um Take away sadder than but they couldn't because it was so ingrained within the people within the roman people to celebrate that That that you know However hard they tried to take it away. They couldn't so instead they absorbed it within the christian holiday and came up The bike to 12 days of christmas's Yeah, and for the for people who I know some of my ask We get the name christ christmas from christ mass Which was the mass that they would have on this particular day for christ for this that was really the saturn alien So that's where we get christmas from Um, I know um, I did a deep dive of this on this last christmas for a while Even when uh, so when when uh, the uk had uh, their revolution where they got rid of um Or they was it king charles the second or the first? I can't remember which one of the charles is and they had um Cromwell as there is a Cromwell and my mind's going blank now the name of the guy that kind of ruled england as a republic They got he was a puritan. They got rid of these these holidays. They got rid of christmas and um And the people of england were so pissed that they didn't get to go Celebrate and have the festivities They not only wanted to bring christmas back But they wanted to bring the royalty back as well because at least under the rule of the Of the steward line they could have their christmas celebration So I know the puritans that came to america At first did not did not celebrate any would not celebrate in these holidays So our ancestors knew that there was even our more direct ancestors knew that the roots of these holidays were not necessarily How we believe them to be today But you can see again how ingrained This celebration is into our dna from our ancestors and here in america christmas is definitely probably the biggest holiday I would say in america right now Absolutely the biggest holiday Most people are off The whole like week up to new years and uh, and of course in america we have thanksgiving right before it So that kind of kicks off the holiday season for us. But um, but yeah, and that just shows you like how How deeply affected we are by our ancestors too and what they knew about this this holiday season Yeah christianity is like a new religion as far as i'm concerned Yeah, oh absolutely If you look at the evolution of humanity, I mean it's only a couple of thousand years old They're the newer religions the old religions are the ones that are in your they're in your dna They're in your blood and bones And you look at even up in like norse because I have my dna makeup is mostly uh english german french Scandinavian I have a little bit of like greek a little bit of koptic egyptian, which I find to be the coolest But it's just very little bit And you'll even look at like the Scandinavian like they they didn't convert over to the christian I mean most of our ancestors in the northern european area They were practicing their Nordic fates and they're there for a long time I mean it took a long time for it to really settle into northern europe And like I said a lot of the old churches in europe are built on top of jupiter temples, so There there you go They just use the same location to continue to then merge the systems together So it's super fascinating And I know that Katherine you have to go soon because of your next call, but I just I just pulled some um angel oracle cards for our christmas holiday and then we'll So we got uriel trust Raphael communion, and I love this one. This is metatron divine intelligence So the message from the animals are the animals the angels are animals are angels animals are angels, so What was the last one divine intelligence, so trust the communication of divine intelligence Yes, yes, and how that's like a message for our whole great awakening too, right like You know that we have to learn how to trust ourselves as well speaking of dna and how we're feeling things in our dna like that You have as you were saying mornay. We god's always been there Yeah It's so beautiful. I have to share this like if you look at our bushman and our shamans in africa They could they would sit and they could listen to the stars. They would hear the stars move Now, I don't know if anybody of you have had this experience before I act like very much I was like I had lots of moments where I was sitting three o'clock in the morning or four o'clock Even in my days of partying back when I was in college and everything And I would connect with a star and I could the star would like become bright and you can hear the vibration of this It's almost like you could hear the vibration You could it's almost like it becomes bright and you really connect with a star Now the bushmans could do this like back then they knew about serious before White people modern people even knew about serious and all this planet's stuff They already knew about these planets back then they they put it on cave paintings and stuff before we could even see it So that's the connection we have With everything that's how we understood this way back before there was anybody telling us what to think or what to do We were sitting there and looking at stuff. We were just looking at it connecting with it And then we understood it And that information is still air within every cell and everybody's bodies And I just have to share that that that's the the connect the divine intelligence We are connected to that and we just need to reconnect back to it. That's what we're doing right now We're reconnecting back to our old understanding of everything there's nothing new in this universe Chris is going to continue We just have to reclaim it back again recreated a different way or maybe like do a little bit of adjustments But I think as a mass In society we've we understood that christmas is not just about The birth of jesus anymore or the pagan holiday or whatever you want to think about it. It's really a time of Let's get together. Let's share some love. Let's make some effort to like come together And I mean that's the beauty in it and maybe that's what christmas should be for all of us If that's that, you know, we decide christmas is going to be to us That's like a victor huger victor hugo says to love another person is to see the face of god And that's what these holidays are and that's you know, that's because I know a lot of people on our side of the Defense here want to like get rid of these holidays again because they've been so tainted but My greatest memories are christmas. I cannot tell you guys how excited tomorrow for christmas eve I'm going to go give my niece and nephew their hoverboards. I am so excited I cannot wait to play with them on their hoverboards like that to me is what christmas is And so it's memories those hoverboards are going to last forever But it's that it's that memory of just playing with the having that laughter and of course down here in the deep south We don't get white christmas's ever So so we can and y'all southern african don't eat our stuff sunny christmas Are you do you have Well, we've got snow forecast actually so who knows I mean quite this all oath place But we should we have got snow forecast But actually I don't want white christmas because where I live the roads are impossible if we get snow So, um, yeah, I'm not particularly keen for a white christmas. It's going to be a christmas. You come here to georgia kathryn Well, well, absolutely swap. But yeah, exactly and obviously I've got to be able to make sure that I can get rude off his carrots Okay and everything that's Even though my children I still have to put the tia maria out and the carrots were rude off. That's really important. So I love it It's really important the funny thing was it wasn't long at all I thought my daughter was about four when she realized that I was actually drinking it I didn't manage to fool her for long at all. It was quite funny But you're so right monnie the the connection is so so important and getting people to You know stop and spend that time with the loved ones and and I know everyone watching this Is not going to be the type of people that's going to let anyone else tell them, you know, who they can and can't see over christmas um, and even if Some other people are taking that into consideration doesn't mean you can't you know Send them love and just keep that open invitation and that door open because that is so so important, isn't it? Human Human each other We're always just here to remind each other right because I mean that's what we each human being and you know talking about the cosmic forces and nature They're to remind us of things that we've forgotten And so it's like you said it's not like it's never existed. Of course it's existed since the beginning of time The only thing is just it's been veiled. We've been confused And so the nature And the cosmos and each other We're just here to remind each other again of of what we really are and that we are like Fractals of the universe we we contain the whole universe inside of us and we forget that so we need our Peeps to help us to remember we need nature We need the stars to help us to remember that we are the stars or we are that mountain or we are Like we are like each other, you know So, yeah, that's that's you you can't not exist It's impossible for you not to exist like we we get this Idea of mortality and we're only here for a short time, but in reality you can't not exist You've always put it as part of the universe and as part of you've always been here So and yeah, it's I love that just remembering remembering who we are And and as I say people to people at time like the same the same creator who made the rocky mountains also made you Mm-hmm. That's powerful same stuff too. Yep Yep Exactly exactly. Well, I know Catherine you have to jump on your next call So we should do this again Such fun. Thank you so much for your knowledge everyone. I learned loads Let's do this again soon. Maybe we should do this at like every holiday and just be like surprise. This one's taken That would be fun So I wish all you guys a very merry, merry, merry Christmas to the parents here in the united states I don't know if you guys do elf on the shelf in other countries, but bless your hearts You only have a couple more days to go to move that damn elf. Please remember to move the elf I know my sister is about to kill both her elf We did not have that we were kids But I wish everybody watching all over the world a very very merry Christmas If you are unfortunately alone right now because of what's going on in the world Please know that you have friends here and we are wishing you all the best and all the love And hopefully by this time next year. We'll be able to celebrate together as one big communal family. So All right guys lots of love everybody Lots of love big hugs Thank you guys lots of love. Merry Christmas. Take good care