 Okay, Madam recording secretary. I think we have our quorum now. So I'll call this November 12th long-term financial policy not a subcommittee meeting to order. Could you please do a roll call? member Rogers Here Chair Schwethelm here members where here But the order reflect that all subcommittee members are present Great, thank you. I have a couple housekeeping reminders So subcommittee members, please keep your audio on mute unless you're speaking As members of the public during the meeting you'll be participating as an attendee Your microphone and camera will be muted only today's panelists will be viewed during the meeting You're calling in from a telephone and choose to speak during the public comment portions of The today's agenda for privacy concerns the host will be renaming your viewable phone number to resident in the last four digits of your phone number Madam recording secretary, could you explain how public comments will be heard at today's meeting? 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Thank you for that and now we are on item two So we're now taking public comment on item two non agenda matters This is the time when any person may address the subcommittee on matters not listed on the agenda If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please raise your hand if you're dialing in via telephone Please dial star nine to raise your hand madam host. Would you please facilitate public comment on item two a Countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak when the countdown begins Please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so your microphone will be muted at the end of the countdown At this time I see no hands raised and there were no email comments received Thank you on to item three approval minutes Mr. Sorry, mr. Rogers to get an opportunity to review the special meeting minutes from our october 28th meeting And if so any additions corrections or deletions No changes Read your lips. Mr. Sorry. No changes. Okay, so we'll Accept those as submitted All right item 4.1. Mr. Alton. I believe you're introducing this item I am chairman swath home. Thank you very much members at the subcommittee The item before us now is a report on the public input for use of the pgme settlement funds Next slide, please so What we are going to do today is we're going to kind of Give a little bit of a recap of of where we are to now Then go over the virtual input meetings that we've had And and then the digital survey results And then we will talk about next steps The purpose of this meeting is is really informational in in advance of the closed session on tuesday, so I'm not expecting or requesting any decisions with this However, if you do have specific direction or you see some changes in the slides That you'd like made before the council meeting I can make sure I have those changed before The study session on tuesday so next slide, please so yeah As you know, we received The pgme settlement funds of about 95 million dollars in july on the September 10th subcommittee meeting We talked about potential uses of those funds including Addressing fire resiliency unmet needs, which was about a 42 to 47 million dollar Package of projects We looked at Which was anywhere from rebuilding fire station five to Damaged sidewalk repairs and pavement repairs in the burn scar areas And hazardous tree removal and all those Next slide, please So we also looked at We also discussed operational needs and And community needs known noting that this was a While the the fire affected a A specific areas directly. It really did affect the whole community and we were looking For those types of projects as well. So some of those included restoration of Reserves for the to maintain our operations moving forward Jumpstarting affordable housing in the downtown Rosalind library ideas like that. We basically just captured some items that we had heard in other meetings and And kind of brought that forward at that time And then uh next week or next slide, please so then we We we received emails and letters from from citizens Some out in various areas of the city And we we took note of those like I said, we we had Digital survey we also met with our employee groups as a part of this so we really reached out within the city organization and also the community at large and and looking specifically at fire survivor related areas, so coffee park in those neighborhoods in that neighborhood and fire impacted mobile home communities Looking at the fountain grove Hidden Valley Montecito and Oakmont neighborhood areas, but then also Reaching out to all community members. So we we put out a digital survey Which I believe it went out in mid september and closed out in the end of october Like I said, we did have those three virtual meetings And from that I think we'll go on to the next page Yes, and then also for the output for the input collection. We did news releases. We multiple bilingual posts cross all city social media platforms we We put this out in our city connections e-newsletter. We place an ad in la bose we have a website that has been open, which is the 2017 fire settlement page of the city's website And then we also did direct outreach to fire survivor block captains and organized groups I think at this point One of the things I do want to say and and this is a little bit irregular, but I do want to Take the opportunity to Think the different folks that that really kind of helped put all this stuff together Adrienne merchants and her group The different subject matter experts that worked with us on the panels for all these community meetings this is a rather extensive and exhaustive process that we've went through to try to get the information that would be hopefully Usable by the council as we move forward to really gauge what the what the community What their needs are and it was a it was a very large group effort in order to make that true So in the community meetings, we basically all They all have the same format We had a Panelists and subject matter experts I was on there We had members of the fire department and transportation and public works and housing and community services anywhere where we thought that we could go And be able to answer questions that would come up We provided an overview of the Or a background of the settlement dollars an overview of the fire fire resiliency unmet needs and provided Examples of other community projects that could possibly be funded from this this funding And then we opened that up for for q&a So next slide please so in the first Community input meeting this was in the coffee park neighborhood and the fire impacted mobile home communities There were 23 attendees We received five comments during the q&a period And those were were basically to fix the damages and the the The unfunded unmet needs in the Specifically in the the coffee park area, but really in the burn area in particular to promote fire resiliency Um to come up with a sidewalk reimbursement program for those folks that That couldn't wait Or at least Move forward with repairing their sidewalk Before any reimbursements came in and then to Basically make the area stronger and safer going forward Next slide please So then our our second input meeting and this was a little bit later this happened on October 21st. Ironically, we had a fire in the middle of our between our first input meeting in our second so we paused about a month And came back on the 21st of October and had a virtual community meeting For the fire survivors in the Fountain Grove, Hidden Valley, Montecito and Oakmont neighborhood areas Again, there were there were 14 attendees I believe there are about six comments. They they really focused on on On fixing the fire of burned areas back to the way they were pre-fire And really focusing on spending those dollars first before Any others they they wanted that that was A very strong message that came out of there. They also wanted Us to or the council to look at Using mitigation measures and prevention measures With technology including drones and sensors There was a a theme that came out there also that they were worried about the effects of of continual fires Going through there that would have on Property insurance going forward and how that could be a drain on the account Next slide please So then on October 22nd. We had our community wide input meeting that We had 42 attendees for that And I believe there were 21 commenters There were There were Definitely some Responses or comments for fire prevention and rebuilding however Um More of the Community wide projects came out in that meeting and I I guess that would that would tend to make sense Some of those included Bringing fiber through to the premises Rosalind library Joining with the the match for The county's match for the red Um and affordable housing and rental assistance Uh protecting the vulnerable and undocumented individuals So, uh, oh and also I don't have that on there, but it was also, uh, the South east greenway was and funding that With a dollar amount for that Next slide please Okay, and then the other thing that we did uh that was Community wide was we did a digital survey and yes, so that was open from september 15th to october 25th We did in both english and spanish. We had 3000 a little over 3000 responses in english and 32 in spanish So what i'm going to do here With the slides that go through they're going to they're going to have both the The english and then and then they'll have the spanish responses Right next to it, so you'll be able to to kind of see how they track together We asked some background questions such as you know, were they A city resident in 2017 where are they living now just to kind of give sort of a A geographic understanding of the people that were responding And then we asked a series of rank choice questions that were really based off of Of the different types of projects that we had had heard going through and just And and put that in So with that we will move on to the survey itself. So On the first one was just a general general question of If the respondents lived in the in the city In october 17th during the wildfires and 85 of the respondents did And the page has got a little bit out of out of The out of order here, but uh, so the survey respondents of the current area of residence It looks like the most of them are in the uh, the northeast santa rosa area at about 47 percent and then The rest the rest of the city made up there with a few outside sonoma county Very little outside of the state but mostly within The city limits And then for the spanish responses For this, uh, the majority of them lived in south West and northeast santa rosa and northwest as well. So so basically those those areas of that And then you'll see this is where I said there's just a tiny bit out of order here reciting 94 of the spanish responses Lived in the city limits during the the fires So we asked if their home was destroyed or business destroyed or fire damaged during the wildfires with Or did a family member Perition in the wildfires There was an 80 or 20 of those were guessed so most of the folks were were not directly affected by the fires Being from there and then in this in that track right there with the spanish responses at 25 percent Saying that they did have a home or business destroyed during those fires Asking whether they currently live within the city limits Um, so this is kind of a more general of that We've kind of heard the areas where they are where they currently are now about 84 percent are currently living within the city limits and About 87 percent of the spanish survey responses uh with that and so now going into Trying to narrow down if they're living in the high wildfire risk areas or the wooey and A majority of them do not with 35 of the english responses where they did and on the spanish responses 50 did not With about 19 percent Saying they did and the rest are unsure So now moving on to the rank choice questions, uh, right off the top we wanted to hit on Whether the pgne settlement Fun should be used first for the city's fire rebuild projects that have not yet been recovered And are still unfunded like rebuilding fire station five and the repair of damaged sidewalks and road So we received 3 000 responses on that and 76 percent Either strongly agreed or or agreed that that's how the money should be used first And with the spanish uh responses for that it was 78 percent So I tracked right along with it except for more were of the strongly agreed area And then looking at vegetation management and fuel reduction in the wooey 89 percent strongly agreed Or agreed that that should be a priority for the use of the funds And with the spanish responses it was 97 percent. So clearly moving in positive in that direction So then looking at evacuation routes and construction and improvements and in the in the wooey We're looking at 69 percent Either strongly agreed or agreed with the use of the funds in that area and with the Spanish survey responses. It was 91 percent and moving into home hardening incentives assistance programs Basically to make structures more defensible to fire That one was a little bit more toward the the middle with 54 percent strongly agreeing or agreeing For that and on this one there was a rather high amount that that simply Didn't agree or disagree On the Spanish survey responses. However, the that was 88 percent that Thought that that was a good use of the PGD funds So looking at wildfire readiness and emergency preparedness of community education 61 of the English respondents that's still around that 3000 response area 61 of those either strongly agreed Or or agreed with With putting money toward those types of programs And 94 percent of Spanish survey responses were in that area So moving on to jump starting affordable housing opportunities Through incentive funding This was this was the the one where about 38 percent felt that the money should go Toward those types of programs again in around 3000 responses of the English survey 53 percent in the Spanish survey of of those folks the 32 responses that we had there Agreed with the use of funds in that area Looking at strengthening resiliency For the city's infrastructure such as backup generators and microcurrants And ensuring continued functionality of critical facilities That one again 79 percent it was it was very strongly Agreed to that that is a good source or a good project type for the funds And about 84 percent which most of them as a strongly agree in the Spanish survey responses About 51 of the English respondents Had support for Or thought support for businesses of workforce recovery through loans and grants Was a good use for the funds In the Spanish survey it was a little bit higher at A little bit lower, excuse me at 47 percent So To Build new community assets such as libraries community centers polls The online responses English responses. There was about 26 percent thought that that was a good use of those funds Whereas With this Spanish survey That was 47 percent Then homeless services the English respondents again This is a little bit less answered this one at only 29 her but still Very close to that 3 000 constant amount looking at about 34 percent either agreed or strongly agreed That that homeless services should be Used with the pgne money In the Spanish responses it was a little bit more at 42 percent Road repairs not associated with fire recovery. This was 33 percent of English respondents Thought that that was a good use of those funds. Meanwhile, 72 percent of the Spanish survey responses Thought that that was a good use of those funds And then let's see here looking at broadband internet And fiber optic or wireless solutions 44 percent of the English respondents Thought that that was a good use of those funds Meanwhile, 41 percent of the Spanish survey responses were there I would add with that is that while we had kind of an all encompassing Question dealing with both wireless and fiber It was made very clear through the community survey when this came up that the fiber is the preferred Choice for the people that spoke out about it Moving to park improvements such as construction of new parks all weather sports facilities and other amenities 28 percent of the English respondents Looked as those as worthwhile projects for these funds And about 50 well not about 50 percent of the Spanish survey responses Wanted to go in that area so What we did also in the uh is we provided a Summary page because there's a lot of graphs there. I tried to give you the the strongly agree Or agree here. You can go back and kind of hit the areas that That we have of the English survey responses and then on the next page We have the Spanish survey responses But that just kind of gives you a A way to go back to Now we also asked some open-ended questions And to be quite honest, I I believe in What we posted and and it'll also be with the Council item for the 22nd as an addendum to the staff report is Is All of the open-ended responses Um, what we did was we broke that down into themes Um, I believe the whole report just on the survey alone was 200 plus pages long and so And try to get all those into into slides. It's difficult. They are there all the comments are there Uh for you if you do want to take a look at them, but the themes generally included Uh, um, a lot of what we were Talking about here, especially that came out in the in the various community meetings, but wildfire protection and recovery and rebuild Emergency alerts and public info public safety Building and development and housing and Honoring those that that lost and and promoting mental health services homelessness roads and sidewalks parks and sports energy and technology and connectivity Ecosystem and client financial support and schools and childcare So it's the whole gamut of things that you could use money for Came out in in the open-ended which is which is you know to be expected and appropriate So with that we have some next steps, uh that we're going through so this meeting Here on the 17th Tuesday, we will we will have this presentation to the full council in study session on december 15th, we're going to bring an item to study session that um that looks at the Um the wildfire preparedness and mitigation and resiliency projects So some of these that where the city departments have gone in and looked at rules specific things that we can do to promote a lot of the the themed ideas that came out in these meetings such as dealing with Widening some evacuation routes Namely highway 12 doing A traffic signal signalization around evacuation routes Constructing and and moving fire stations to meet More coverage and for the city And radio infrastructure These are all and we'll and we'll divide them up in the in the staff report And presentation of being those things that are under the city control So stuff that we would do on our own because they're completely within our control But there's a lot of them that we would need to reach out to our state um, and even Other partners like PG&E uh to Work with in order to present a more firing fire resilient city And with that If you have any questions i'm here to answer Thank you all for that presentation. I just have a real quick question before I go to my colleagues on the december 15th meeting will Will the community wildfire protection plan implementation cost be covered during that meeting? Uh, I can I absolutely Include it there. I can I can include it in that. Yes. I would have the cost of it Yeah, because I know, you know, I think it came before One of our subcommittees and then we asked, you know, so we got this plan. We accepted the plan Um, and so I I would love to hear what the cost for the implementation would be on that december 15th meeting So sure sure I can I can get that Great back to my colleagues. Uh, why don't you just call me mr. Sorry. Do you have any questions? I do. Thank you, mayor and thank you alan for the presentation. It's a lot of data to um to to gather together I'm curious how the staff responded to the strongly disagrees and oftentimes not often But there were a number of times where the the strongly disagrees the disagrees and the strongly disagrees were equal to the agrees Or equal to the to the to the other two there's always a second side to these to these to to the story and these surveys I it would be interesting. I mean, I I think if we're going to ask people what they want Um, and then ask them if they're if they don't want something as well I think it needs to be I would like to see them side by side Um, it's at least as something to consider on your ranked order on slide And I don't have a number of this slide um ranked order by percentage of respondents that strongly agree or agree um having side by side to strongly disagree unless unless where those are to be dismissed Um would give us a full picture of the attitude of the respondents So I'm just wondering how the staff um We ended up with what people wanted But there were some real real strong opinions of what they didn't want and so I'm just wondering if that's something that you were Planning on including or whether it was something that you were only looking for the affirmatives Well, I'll be honest. We weren't it wasn't that we were looking for the affirmatives Uh, what we are just presenting what we what we received. So there we're not waiting one way or the other um, I gave you know I guess we I guess we could have gone and and uh Took it from the disagree side, but that seemed a little Little negative I didn't know how how that would come out looking So I went with the strongly agree and disagree. I think that's The way some other pollsters do it and so I kind of took it along that route. Um, absolutely. I can uh um, I can uh put them of in an order of things that that folks really want and then build into the things where people really don't like and you can kind of see it go from from a lot of of support to uh No support type of type of thing like that and kind of rank it that way I we really weren't ranking I think honestly I think what we did here is just went the order of the survey And just presented the information from that with both English and Spanish there Um, I need to look at the span or at the survey again, but I believe That's the way we went with it. And so we're just simply providing that and I highlighted the agreed part just because of my friendly jovial nature Well, I appreciate that. I just you know, it helps me to balance the response if I see 50 of the people Um, strongly agree and strongly agree That this that that that that a should be done Um, and at the same time 50 of the people strongly disagree and disagree that that a should be done Um, it helps me to understand to understand actually the takes helps me take the temperature of the community on that particular item As opposed to only seeing that 50 of the people said yes So It just it helps me to see the balance and I think it would it would be I think it's it's a more accurate representation of the respondents If you were to put them side by side with uh with the the ranked order Okay, I'll uh Have to consider it. I'm just one just my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand Do you have any that that was the only question I had no other questions or opinions? No Not at this time Okay, mr. Rogers Thank you, mr. Mayor and actually kind of in a similar vein to john I'd be interested in seeing some of the numbers Pulling out what people who live in santa rosa thought versus people who don't live in santa rosa thought Uh, to be very frank. I don't really care that much what people who don't live here Think we should spend the money on So be more helpful for me to see what people who are within our community think we we would uh Best use the the funding for I think that that's the most instructive to me Great. Thank you. Anything else chris or is that it? Okay, Alan, I had a question on um slide three You uh, it's the one entitled the um fire resiliency unmet needs In my specific question. We have specific dollar amounts for the damaged sidewalk repair and damaged pavement repair combined. It's about 28.1 million dollars Is it safe to assume that includes every damaged sidewalk and pavement in the coffee park fountain grove and hidden valley area? How do we come up with those figures? Uh, we came up with Those I'm looking at my notes. Hold on. Um Yeah, the estimate was to Repair all the sidewalks in the affected areas that exhibited signs of fire damage We have maps to show all the locations Uh So we've had estimates from that As part of our Uh Request process through FEMA, which was denied. Uh, so where it's based on those estimates And Yeah, so that's that's what it is. So you could you specifically tell me specific road hopper hopper avenue corridor. That's been I know I've heard that a lot from the folks in northwest santa rosa Um, you're redoing the sidewalks along that stretch of the roadway that has seen some other improvements recently by the city Is that included in there? Uh, I'd have to get back with you to find out specifically of hopper avenue. I do recall it coming up in the In the community group with coffee strong And I'm I am trying to remember that conversation. I'm kind of blanking out a little bit But I will have that answer for you on Tuesday That that would be great because there's also some with the, uh, pgne light pole replace right what's going on So yes, we have the damage from 2017. Well, now we're also experiencing in some neighborhoods Where they're digging up some of the sidewalks to replace those power poles And so understanding what would be fixed and what wouldn't be fixed if there is a master list of here's all the sidewalks um that Led to the 4.1 million dollar estimate that would be very helpful information. I think for all this to have okay Okay, uh christ, do you have another question? Yeah, you just prompted me on on one more, uh, alan for folks when they, uh, specifically we're we're talking about reimbursements for front loading, uh money from that they would have gotten from insurance From a practical perspective, have we talked about What a program like that would actually look like? Uh, and in particular, uh, i'm curious to know for people who spent money before they had the insurance money Were they then reimbursed by insurance? On the back end anyway, uh And do we have a picture of what that looks like Versus For folks who uh end up not using all of their insurance money as a result Um, were they able to put that into other aspects of their home? I'm just I'm wondering about the logistics or the practicality of how our program like that might be constructed And whether that came up at all in the discussions it, uh As part of the discussion it did not other than there was uh in In at least one or two of the people that, uh that did Respond at that meeting that they did they they They did want some way of being made whole So that that's but as as to how that would happen We didn't have that much of a discussion. It was it was we were bringing in input They weren't asking a question. They just said I want to be made whole and we wrote that down And so yes internally, I need to try to figure out a way how we would do that um And And that so that could be down the road Of coming up with that type of a program. Yeah, I'm just it strikes me as Pretty complicated and a lot of work for staff to figure out how many people actually would beat the criteria Looking at their data or their information that they have around what they spent All those sorts of components to it um So, uh, I'm just curious uh as we move forward through this process, but that might look like Right Yeah, we we would need to do some more work and actually Uh vetting that out. Um, we're at the again. We were just in the information gathering Stage I I have a feeling this is going to take for some of these things are going to take a couple of stages, right? We wanted all the input. We've got that The council gives direction on going in in particular areas. Let's say that's one of them And then now staff's going to need to try to Figure out how to do it and get back to council to say that this is a feasible Program we can do it. This is how it is and then you would give us the final decision on living forward with it That's how I would envision it Okay, and then al my last question still on uh slide three is There's no cost associated with vegetation management one time cost and then The the last one I'm particularly interested in the hazard is tree removal and you've got public right away open space and private property Who decides when and the cost for all of those? Yeah, so I think that the the cost estimate that we had in that particular Uh in the slideshow that we did with with those I believe was about um I think it was an estimated around five million dollars. It wasn't a uh, um, I don't think it was that firm of a number. It was um uh So that's It's again, it's and I think what we're going to do is see more of that as we move forward, especially on uh, December 15th because now you're looking at taking these Sort of high-level projects and now we're really focusing in on here's the dollars You're going to need as you get closer to a decision We're sort of narrowing that that that the cone if you will of the things that that You you want to spend towards here's what it's going to cost Here's how you can make your final decision So I believe the number that we were looking at was right around five million dollars with that I believe that was dealing more with The private property area, but there's different ways that we can we can go about doing that again If this is if this is a way that the council wants to go then we can We can vet out the appropriate way to make that happen that works for all great thing. Yeah It's an interesting challenge just given the dynamics of Hazardous trees on the west side of the freeway are certainly different than the hazardous tree removal on the east side of the freeway and some of the hill There so yeah, absolutely Okay, those are all the questions. I have mr. Story. Do you have a additional question? Yeah, one additional question. It's on the on the same slide mayor. Thank you The vegetation management one-time cost vegetation management. I think it does a program As opposed to just Managing it for one year. I mean it's something that we would really have to have something that was very comprehensive So what was you know, as you do as you do your research and and uh What was the what is the the concept of vegetation management one time? What is that what does that mean? well So is it the development of the program? It could be the development of the program, but I don't I just don't know Yeah, so I I think it would it would what you would be looking at you're absolutely right A you have both a long-term program that would go that would that's a multi-year type of type of deal and I know that the fire department is working on that I believe we actually approved a position to go toward it and to have that type of of Of an ongoing program, but yet there are still immediate costs to remove the fuel Load I think that's the right term In those areas now, right? So you clear everything out and then you or as However, that works Those could be seen more as one time and then you've got an ongoing program that goes with it So maybe these funds go and just help you eradicate all the dead and dying trees and the stuff that's on the ground and then You we work out another way through the budget to create a more ongoing program That keeps up with with that, but you need that initial money to clear things out so that so that the vegetation management Is kind of coupled with the hazardous tree removal and and and the removal of other Fuel that would need to go away as as soon as you know as soon as is reasonably possible Right for the purposes of that slide. It's kind of lumped together I think this would be one of those things that as we move forward and I think what you're going to find because there was a lot of Positive and strongly positive Comments toward going in that type of a way with that type of management with whatever removing the trees and stuff I think we now start getting into this. Okay. Here's an influx of money to be able to Get us to where we need to be and then here is an ongoing program and they're too They're they're they're kind of under the same umbrella, but they're two different Or maybe three or four different parts under that umbrella. Yeah, thank you for the purposes of this We left it together. Okay, and for what it's worth And Chris brought up the the issue around the making whole of the people that went ahead and repaired their sidewalks or replaced their sidewalks That is something that would require a fair amount of a little a little more Detailed because that sounds like a case-by-case analysis Of reimbursement from insurance companies and where the money went and how I mean that that sounds like a can of worms but so so so to be able to Um make a decision on that particular item I too and probably all three of us and probably all seven of us would need to have a pretty strong analysis of what that really would look like um, I don't just just that just sounds like I Incredible amount of work and analysis regardless of the fact that it is It would be it would be fair to try to make sure that those that that where the money came out of their pockets But ascertaining whether or not Um, they it was it was the right thing to do in in individual cases would take a lot of analysis Okay, anything else from either of you Okay, uh, we're not taking public comments on item 4.1 community input on pgne settlement funds If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please raise your hand your dialing in via telephone Please dial star nine to raise your hand. Uh, madam zoom host. Would you please facilitate public comment on item 4.1? A countdown timer has appeared for the convenience of the speaker and viewers The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak when the countdown begins Please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so your microphone will be unmuted or muted at the time of the countdown ends At this time, I am seeing no hands raised And no comment was received via email. All right. Thank you for that. Um Ellen, did you need any additional information from the subcommittee? No, I think I think I'm good. I've got my my marching orders Thank you very much for this information. It is a ton of information But I think it's important that we have all this before we actually started discussions with the seven of us on city council Uh, anything specific from chris or john that you would like included in our next agenda item or our next agenda meeting Nothing off the top of my head Okay, just floating it out there. Okay. Having nothing further to discuss. I will adjourn this meeting. Thank you for your participation Thank you Thanks, Ellen