 Welcome to Mac Geekab episode 926 for Monday, May 2nd, 2022. To Mac Geekab, the show where you send in your questions, your tips, your cool stuff found. We bring our questions and tips and cool stuff found. We link them together into an ever-evolving agenda, complete with tangents and sidebars and tangents of tangents and all of that good stuff. Because the goal is for each and every one of us, you, us, we're all together. There is no you and us. It's us for each of us to learn at least five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include ZockDoc.com slash MGG where you can sign up for free and download their app for free today at helixsleep.com slash MGG where you take their quiz and then you can save up to 200 bucks off your mattress and get two free pillows and collide.com slash MGG, K-O-L-I-D-E, they are focused on delivering security for your organization by educating your users. And obviously, that is something that resonates very well with us here because we're all about that. This is, I was thinking about the other day, this is like a, it really is a self-help show just very focused on, you know, on one slice of our lives and it's our technology lives. So that's what we do. That's why we do it here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in Fairfield, Connecticut, this is John Afron and coming to you live from Austin, Texas, I'm Bob Dr. McLevitis. How are you, Bob Dr. McLevitis? Thanks for joining us. I am awesome and happy to be here, as you know. I'm a regular listener and I guess I'm a premium pest. You're a premium pest. Yeah, you go. I was going to call you a premium guest, but you know, potato patato. When I have a question, I send it to you guys. Absolutely. That's what we're here for. And I know you're a premium listener, so you send it to premium at McEatGab.com. But if people are not premium listeners, where do they send questions in, Bob? I believe the answer is feedback at McEatGab.com, or at least it used to be. Feedback at McEatGab.com. I think he's right. At McEat. I've heard it. That's it. That's it. All right. Let's get to some quick tips. We will have lots of conversation and we will share more about where to find Bob after the show. But let's get into it so that we can really get rolling here. The first quick tip comes from listener Dale. I had no idea of this. He says, and Dale didn't either. He says, I didn't realize until this week that USB-A connectors have a color convention. The plastic piece at the mouth of the connector can be white, black, or blue. White means USB-1, black means USB-2, and blue means USB-3. I had no idea. I think somewhere deep in the bowels of my monkey brain, I think I understood that blue meant the fastest one, USB or not, you know, the fastest flavor. But I had no idea that black and white also meant things. So yeah. Fascinating. Huh? Did you guys, were you aware of this? Never knew. Huh? Never knew. As these and other great things come from Glenn Fleishman's new Take Control of Untangling Connections book. So we will put a link to all of this in the show notes. Glenn is obviously a mainstay in the industry here and knows. He too is an educator and really knows a lot of stuff. He knows a lot of stuff. Yeah. So, you know, we were talking recently about making sure you had the right cables and all that stuff. John, you said you were tweeting back and forth with Glenn to make sure you had the right stuff. And so, we can all benefit from Glenn's knowledge with the book. So thank you for that, Dale. Great stuff. I like it when a plan comes together, so, you know, like Hannibal says. The next thing comes from Christina Warren. I noticed on Twitter she posted this a little while ago. She says she learned that the max shortcut to move a file is option command V. So we've got, you can copy something to your clipboard, right? And that's command C. And you can do this with files and the finder too. And then you can copy it by going somewhere else and doing command V. Well, if you do option command V, it doesn't copy the file. It moves it. I had no idea. And if you hold down the option key when you look at the edit menu, the option key will change it to move to here. What? Check it out. Really? The finder menus will also, yeah. Oh, I see. They're contextual. They're contextual, right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So if you're not sure what the option key's going to do, open the menu and look and press the option key and then you'll get it confirmed before you actually move the thing. Before the thing happens and is permanent and all of that good stuff. Fascinating. However, undo should work in the finder for at least the first thing. I've noticed that sometimes it does for more than one. Sometimes it doesn't. But you can't count on it working for more than one undo. So undo quickly. Undo quickly. Yeah, that's fair. I've experienced that too. I realized this morning I was in mail on my iPhone and I read a message and archived it. And then I read the next one and thought, wait, I didn't want to archive that message before I replied to the person and thanked them for the information that they gave me. And so I shook my phone to do the undo, which is the way to undo on an iPhone. And it offered to mark the current message as unread because that was the last action. I thought, oh, crap. And then I shook it again and it gave me a choice. It gave me three choices or it gave me one choice of three options really. I guess that's the correct grammar. And one was to remark that message is read. So a redo one was canceled. Don't do anything. And the other one was to unarchive the message. So I had this stack of undoes and just by shaking my phone, I could move forward or backwards through it. I did not realize it was quite that robust. I was pleasantly surprised. But you had to shake it twice to make that happen or do you think that was? I shook it, right? And it offered to let me undo the most recent thing. And so I did it again, brought up the correct. I did that and then it right. Yeah. I learned one new thing counting down. Checking your list. I got to come up with a sound for when we learn new things. Yeah. Like a little bell or something. So if anybody out there, I mean, certainly I can make a sound. But if anybody out there wants to make a sound for us, feedback at MackieCub.com, we will consider all submissions and probably use all of them in different ways. Maybe we'll have a sound for me and a sound for John and a sound for you. Right? That'd be great. I want a cowbell. Okay. I want more cowbell. See, there you go. There you go. There you go. I want, actually I'm not going to make any requests. I'm curious what's going to happen here. John, you want to take us to the next quick tip from listener Alex? Absolutely. So here's the tip. Drop your favorite Finder icons. May they be apps, files, folders, servers, et cetera, into the Finder toolbar. The Finder toolbar is in the upper right-hand corner of your Finder window, just as a... I don't think it's in the corner. I think it's just the toolbar. You can drag things anywhere. It doesn't have to be in the corner, right? Well, I'm helping people. I was telling them where it is. Where is the Finder toolbar? It may not be obvious, but it's at the top of the Finder window. Yeah, it's at the top. It's all those little icons that you get at the top. Yeah. Yeah. And another one, well, I'll do his first, and then I'll do mine. Sure. Okay. All right. To add, use command-alt option. Command-option while dragging into the Finder toolbar, and you will see a green circle with a plus sign, which tells you that it's ready to be dropped into the toolbar. To remove, use command-option and drag out of the top bar. You can even install icons for your favorite system preferences. System, library, preference, pains, just drag and drop. Really? Huh. Sorry. Keep going. And even if the home slash library folder is normally hidden, just drop that library folder in the top bar, so it's just a click away. Yeah, that's a good one. Use command-control-t to toggle toolbar visibility. To reorganize the icons, hold down the command key. Okay. Yeah, and he has a screenshot. Yep. So that's pretty cool. And then the other thing you can do, so the thing I'll add on, is if you right-click in that bar, you will get an option, icon and text, icon only, or text only. Plus, there's a customized toolbar feature where you can assign what is up there. You may want what Apple has put up there. You may want more, and you can get more. So. Cool. Very cool. I like it. Yeah, I had forgotten about the ability to do those types of things. I actually use that every so often. When I've got a project that I'm using all the time, I drag this folder up into the finder toolbar, so it's a click away no matter what's on screen. It's like I can always just open that folder. Yeah, it's on the desktop, and it's in Recents, and it's in the dock, but sometimes the frontmost window is the most convenient way to get to something, and it's a big target. I don't keep a lot of stuff in there, and I drag them out when I'm done, so there's nothing in there right now. Because I don't work that hard anymore. Okay, so this is like an actively managed tray of your in-progress things. The important stuff that I'm opening multiple times a day. Yeah. Like your dog is being opened multiple times a day. Yeah, I suspect someone's out in front. And this is one I can't do anything about. Well, you could... I could kill my dog, but... No, don't do that. Just mute your microphone while John shares Clay's quick tip. I will. All right. So Clay wants to let us know. There's a feature of the iPhone emergency calling that can be useful for privacy protection as well. When you click the side button, the power button, five or more times, the phone will give a countdown and then call emergency services. Whether the call is made or is canceled, this disables Face ID, Touch ID, and unlock with Apple Watch until the device is unlocked with a passcode. So this is a quick and easy way to protect your device from accidental unlock through the biometrics that we use for convenience. Another way to trigger this on iPhone and iPad is holding the appropriate button combination to shut the device down. Yeah. I like this one. Because it allows you... You can in your pocket do this. And I remember when Face ID... No, not Face ID. When Touch ID first became a thing, there were people coming in through customs who were concerned about being searched. And if their device was... You can be compelled to unlock the device by physical means, but not with something you know. And so by putting it into this mode, you would then have to type in your passcode and you're good to go. So yeah, I remember a lot of people saying they were doing that as opposed to, you know, wiping their phones before they came back through customs. So I've never wiped my phone before I come back through customs. I'm more worried about, you know... I don't know what I'm worried about. Probably getting home. I'm worried about losing all my pictures. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Now, there are a number of ways to make this happen. And the one way that I found quite by accident is I was trying to take a screenshot, which on my phone is the power button on the right and the volume up button on the left. Right. If you hold those down too long, that also activates the SOS screen. And I freaked out the first time it happened to me. I'm like, you know, I don't want to call 911. Well, and that's what you can do in your pocket because your phone will vibrate when it moves to the SOS screen. And then if you let it go, it won't call 911, right? So that's the key. You can do this completely, you know, without looking at your screen, which is potentially handy. I don't know. Hey, I learned a thing this week. Well, really it was something that was born of frustration. I can't tell you how many times I'd be in mail and this has happened over the years and I hit command T and I get the show fonts window of mail, which I pretty much have never wanted to use. There might have been one time. So maybe I'll join Sean Connery in saying, was it never seen ever again? Yeah, it was Sean Connery. However, what I really want it to do, especially now that we have tabs in mail, is I want it to create a new tab in mail because my fingers know that command T means new tab because I've been trained by every browser that I use. And yes, I get that command T in mail has long been reserved for the show fonts window, but I don't want that. The good news is you can change this. And so if you go into system preferences, keyboard shortcuts, and you go down to the app shortcuts portion of this, you can add a shortcut for all applications or you can add it for just one. I added a shortcut for mail. And the trick to this is you go, I looked in mail first and saw that new viewer tab with NV and T capitalized is how that menu item for a new tab appears in mail. So I type that exactly into the menu title field, and then I assign the keyboard shortcut of command T and I say add and now in mail command T just opens a new tab which I absolutely love. To which I would add look closely and see if there's an ellipsis after the menu item because if you don't add the ellipsis, it won't work. That's fair. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yeah, it has to be exactly what the menu item reads as. And then it'll work. And what's cool is if in the Finder, we were just talking about command option V, contextually changes the menu. If you want to have a simpler shortcut for one of those contextual changes, look in the menu and see what that contextual change becomes and then type that in and it will magically just appear as another line item in the menu with that shortcut ready to go. Yeah, it's pretty good stuff. I like this. You know, it's what we do. It's what we do. But I made my life better with this one for sure. All right, John, Tim. All right, Tim reveals things that are hidden. I was looking to see if I could download an iPad app onto my M1 MacBook Pro. So in the App Store, I clicked on Account Settings, Hidden Purchases. I didn't know there was access to old macOS versions available through the App Store, did you? Huh. All right, that's true. And truly, yes. I actually... So for me, I saw an El Capitan Gold Master and Lion Server that I had downloaded at some point in the past, obviously. So I didn't know it puts it in the hidden list. Yeah. Now you may ask yourself, not only how do I work this, but well, how do you hide things? So just so that people know, if you go into the App Store, you click on your account. It will show you your purchases. Yeah. If you hover over one and you click on the dot, dot, dot, one of the options is Hide Purchases. And I have a lot of things hidden because, you know, after all these years, my App List is like huge. Yeah. Or there's stuff that I don't use anymore and I don't want to see it because it weighs space. Interesting. Two tips in one. That made me realize when all three of us said, we learned a thing, we really will also need a sound for like the trifecta when everybody learns something and it's not just one of us. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, exactly. You're a winner. I do want to share a bit of condolences this week to macOS server since you mentioned it, John. Perhaps it's time to pour one out for macOS server because it's no longer a thing. So that's, you know, the functionality. What? Where was the... But yeah, if you were in the App Store, you would get a message saying, by the way, this is the last version that we're going to release. Right. Sorry. Right. Yeah. But yeah, there's no more macOS server, which really was just a GUI on top of, and I say just a GUI at the time. This was kind of revolutionary. It was a GUI on top of all of those Unix services that were there. And solely it has eroded to now nothing. So you would need... I mean, they de-featured it. Correct. Yeah, I mean, where Unix was going to die is when they de-featured it, and the only thing it would do is MDM. Right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, before, I mean, it had, you like, I think a mail server and an LDAP server and everything servers. Yeah. Yeah, right. Well, and all of those things are still there. It's just what we lost is the GUI to manage them. That's all macOS server was, really, was. But it was a good GUI. I say just, but it's probably dismissing the value of it. Right. For people like me who prefer not to use the terminal whenever they can, you know, it's like if there's a GUI, I'm more likely to choose that. Sure. I'm sad to see that go, although I haven't been doing very much server stuff lately. Right. Well, even to that point, like system preferences is simply a GUI for things that you can do in the terminal. It really is no different. It's just they, you know, all of macOS can be managed by editing PLIST files or setting defaults and all of that from the terminal. It's just, why would you bother to do that when it's right there in front of you? I say that as someone who manages all of my homebrew packages from the terminal instead of using like cakebrew or something, but I do that because all of the things that I use homebrew for are terminal based apps. So I figure that's, I'm right here. It's fine. And plus I can, if I'm sitting on the couch, I can log into my other computers and do the updates of the, you know, I can type brew update or something like that. So, hey, speaking of sitting on the couch, James Thompson sent out a tweet the other day. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes when I'm navigating around on my Apple TV, I don't really have any idea which thing is selected because it just gets bigger. You know, as you're kind of moving through the chicklets of the grid, they just get bigger and sometimes I have to move, you know, left and then move back right and be like, oh yeah, I was on that one. Well, James Thompson has an answer for us here. He says, go to settings. This is on your Apple TV. Go to settings, accessibility, display, focus style, and change it to high contrast. And all of this stuff is in our show notes at MackieCab.com. So you don't have to worry about remembering the things we're saying. Just remember what you can do. We got you covered on the how. But yeah, it's great. And so with that, it shows a white circle around the selected item, making it much, much clearer that such things are in play. I like it. It makes life easier. Focus style. Yeah, I know. This is why we do what we do. This is it. Fun stuff. All right. What's next here? We do have an agenda. Gary. Yeah. All right, Gary. Gary wants us to make sure that we know that with Siri, we were talking about low power mode on the last episode and activating it on our iPads. I have turned on low power mode on my iPad, by the way, tangentially to this. I see no reason not to leave it on. I mean, I said last week, why would somebody want to have it? And then I thought more about it. Why would I not want to have it? Like, what do I need my iPad not in low power mode for? I don't know. But I sure would like to be able to pick it up and just know that the battery is being well preserved. So anyway, Gary says, I like the idea of Dave's shortcut for reactivating low power mode when it turns off. It's an automation inside shortcuts. And you can listen to it in the last episode if you want details on that. But he says, did you know that Siri can turn functions of your device on and off at will, including low power mode? You can also ask to do other things like turn the flashlight on or off, turn Wi-Fi on or off, and many other things. So, yeah, that's right. I forgot that Siri can manage low power mode for us, too. These are the things. This is why we do the show. Thoughts on that, guys? Nothing. I got two of you here, and they're both silent. I got nothing. I love it. I love it. I got nothing. Love it. All right. John, any thoughts on that? No? No. OK. That was one I did know. Yes. That's OK to know it. Like, listen, you know, it's that these are the, this is the beauty of the quick tip, right? It's the things that are so obvious we wouldn't even think to tell people about them until someone sees you do it. And then it's like, what dark arts are those? You know, and then you tell them. And, you know, the world is blown. The minds are blown. So I have one last quick tip to share. And then we'll talk about a couple of our sponsors. Then we'll talk about Apple self-service repair and we've got some of your questions and all that good stuff. Donna shares. It's it's a technology related quick tip, although certainly not a computer or a portable computer. These are computers. I don't know. Listen, Donna says that, like many of us, her car has three automatic seat settings. But for her, only two drivers. Her and she sets her to number one on the thing and her husband who sets himself to number three for whatever reason. Maybe it's just easier. They have a, you know, the buttons are at either end of the the list. So you're never going to hit the wrong one. She says every now and then, though, and this has certainly been true of all the cars I've owned in the last 15 years. The car loses the memory of one button or the other. She says, or we accidentally do something to cause it that we haven't figured out. Unfortunately, she continues. It always feels like you never get it back exactly right when you reset it. The last time this happened, my husband generously suggested setting number two as the same as number one. Then it's very easy to hit number two and push and hold number one to reset it. So if number one loses its settings, hit number two, put the seat where you want it and then boom, reprogram that end result back into number one. I like this tip. I am definitely going to do this in my car because it drives me crazy when I get in the car. You know, it's supposed to tie to the key fob and if that doesn't work, I hit the button and the button like goes, it's like, cool. Great. Wait, do you have a Subaru? I do currently, but this happened with our BMW before this and my Volvo before that. But we do currently have three Subarus and they suffer from this. Yes. And most of the time, I think it erases all of them. When I lose them, I think it erases all three. But I'm going to try this anyway. Yeah, why not? It's better than nothing. Right. Correct. Yeah. One in my Subaru. The Subaru is my one complaint really about Subaru is the it is far too easy to leave an interior light on without knowing it. And it happens to me like the switch in the, you know, I have an outback because I have my drums and I'll pull them in and out. And it's super easy for that switch to get kicked when I'm like playing gear out. And if I, if I'm not super vigilant about it, you know, usually it's the battery has enough juice to last like through a gig or whatever. So I'm not screwed, but, but I, you know, it's not uncommon for me to come to the garage and it's like, oh, yep, batteries dead, must have left the light on. And it forgets a lot of settings in the seat settings. I think are one of them. It resets my tire pressure gauges from PSI to KPA. And that's not a conversion I've ever memorized. So like, like when I was driving home from your house from PEPCOM the other day, John, I was like, ah, you know, I wonder if my, my tires are right. And I went and changed. I looked at the thing and it was like, oh crap. You know, there, I mean, KPA, I have no idea, but, and you can't change those settings while you're driving because they say that's super dangerous, which I, you know, being focused on a screen. What? I highly recommend you all get, and I'll find a link to one of the ones I bought, but it doesn't matter which one you get. I highly recommend we all keep batteries in our cars that can jumpstart our vehicles as well as recharge our iPhones. John and you and I were talking about this the other night too. That's a, that's, that's a handy thing to have without, because you can jumpstart your car without any other, you know, you don't need another car, which is huge. So, and the batteries don't have to be that big. It's amazing. They just need cranking power and it's totally doable. So. Yeah. Well, it also has air hose so I can pump up my tires. Oh. And it shows me the pressure, which is nice. Oh, okay. So that's, that's going to be bigger. For sure. Yeah. I think the one I have is like, you know, a little bit larger than an iPhone, right? Maybe like two iPhones thick and one and a half iPhones long or something like that. But yeah. All right. Any more on that before we, before we move on? Okay. Then I, the next thing I'd love to do if it works for you, Mr. Braun is to talk about our couple of sponsors for this episode. Okay. All right. Yeah. Hey, you know, we've been able to travel again recently and that's been a wonderful thing, but there are some things that I miss when I travel and one of them is my mattress from Helix sleep. I got this about 18 months ago and I really can truly say that I've never slept better more consistently than I have since I got this Helix sleep mattress. It's because Helix understands that everybody's different, right? 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Enter your email when prompted to receive your free Collide gift bundle after trial activation. Check it out. Collide.com slash M-G-G and our thanks to Collide for sponsoring this episode. All right. So Apple has opened up self-service repair which is, you know, for those of us that have been watching Apple for a while, this is a new thing. This is not something we would have predicted the eight years ago. I mean, it's been heading in this direction but the way that it works is it's an online store and they have hundreds of parts and tools and you can actually rent a toolkit if you don't want to buy one too. To start the process, they say you go online to support.apple.com self-service repair and you review the manual on Apple's website and then you visit the repair store to order your parts and tools and of course all the parts are genuine Apple tested yada yada yada and like I said, they've got tool and rental kits for 49 bucks so that you don't have to purchase tools for a single repair although I will say that for 49 bucks you can probably buy a toolkit that will cover most repairs if you just do some research and if it's not from Apple go get it from iFixit or whatever. But yeah, I found this really interesting. John, what are your thoughts on this? I think it's a response to right to repair legislation. Absolutely. Yes. Oh for sure. So there's a movement that's trying to encourage manufacturers to allow you to do as much repair on your own. For sure. Yeah. You know, I think I'd still go to Apple so I fumbled my iPhone 8 and broke and the screen cracked. It still worked fine, but the screen was cracked. And when I wanted to trade it in Verizon was like well no, we're not going to take that as a trade in so I had to get the screen fixed and so I went to the Apple store and I think it was 150 and they had it done within an hour so and they even suggest this in their article though it was like if you're not comfortable and it's like I'm pretty comfortable around electronics. I don't want to waste my time. I'm going to give it to someone who knows what they're doing. Yeah. And that's still an option, right? Like you said, this is almost certainly catalyzed by right to repair. And so now people have this option and the nice part is if you follow their steps you would be looking at the manual first thing you decide is this a headache. You know, do I want to so to speak open this can of worms but you can get, you know like I'm looking for my 13 mini you can get the display bundle and it's for the 13 mini it's interesting it's 228 US dollars and then if you return the part you replaced they'll give you a credit so that it winds up being $194.35 when all is said and done. So and obviously the prices are different for different things but very interesting and you can just order screws if you've lost the screws. That's I'm I'm happy to see this I mean it's nice that this option exists I you know I know how hard it was to get parts like that's been the biggest issue for any of us that want to do this on our own is that sourcing parts was you know previously really really difficult you know the way third-party repair shops would get parts is Apple would sell like in bulk and companies like you know like tech restore years ago it was kind of their whole or a segment of their business model was they would buy in bulk and then go through and make sure the you know figure out which ones were good and which ones weren't because Apple would just be selling you know tons out the back door or whatever and and then and then they would piecemeal those off to you know folks who wanted to repair their devices and I presume that's how everybody else did it too but now you can get them right from Apple which is which is great like that's I see I see no reason why we didn't have I mean I see lots of reasons why we didn't have this option before I'm happy that those have gone away you gonna repair your iPhones Bob no no all right no they're too small I might repair a desktop Mac I'm not sure I would repair a portable laptop and I probably wouldn't repair an iPad or iPhone mostly because my fingers are too fat you know it's like those are really small dealies plus at my age my vision isn't I'd have to have a magnifying glass and lights yeah easier to take it to the Apple store and let a pro do it yep yep no that's that's absolutely fair yeah yeah and unfortunately most you know of what we call desktop Macs now a Mac mini an aren't upgradeable they're not like they're no they are laptops in different shapes and colors right like in terms of the I always said that laptops you know when when we were repairing laptops versus repairing like tower machines you know they were truly desktop machines those were you know single layer desktop tower machines were single layer machines crack the case open and whatever part was there yeah whatever part you needed to repair you could just get to right whereas with a laptop you know you might have to peel back four layers of the onion before excavating that's a great term to excavate to get to certain parts and to me it's just too much trouble I don't know I've never I've never really been one for fixing stuff myself anyway yeah especially when it's small and delicate I when I had my consulting business I told all of my clients I do not work on laptop hardware and I had one client once actually I can probably tell the story and name him by name it was John and Bob which you'll probably appreciate the keyboard player from the Mahavishnu Orchestra but most famously wrote the Miami Vice theme song I was just going to say didn't he write the Miami Vice theme yeah we actually did a great interview with him on GigGab a couple of years ago where he talked about I mean he played with so many different people he even played with Jacob Astorius which really I had no idea until we did that interview but anyway he called me and his son's laptop had died and he's like I need the data off the hard drive I don't care what happens to the rest of the laptop and I said okay I'm going to take you at your word for this young but we're going to talk about this you're going to give me the laptop and the only thing you're going to get back is the hard drive that's it I said now I'll take the data off the hard disk out you know we'll deal with all that I said but the remains of the laptop will be discarded are we okay with this he's like yeah this is a one-way trip I'm like okay one-way trips into laptops that I can do boom yeah exactly and it was you know I I still use the iFixit repair manual at the time to do it whichever Mac laptop it was but I think to excavate to excavate yes yeah I love that but then you threw away the rest I did I I laid waste to the the remains I actually have had clients have me do that also just they don't care what happens as long as they get the even they don't even care if they get the disk back no they just want the data comes back exactly yeah and that's all that's all yawn wanted to he's like just the data I'm like yeah I got you again like if the data is still intact on the drive you will have it I I can that I can I can assure you yeah what a disaster that was still diving in he's like you need to help me I'm like yeah man I you know I love you but here are the here are the terms of this deal that's right yeah and then he taught me how to play star cycle on the drums which was great he's a fantastic drummer by the way yawn is there's an entire Santana album with the only instrument yawn played on it was drums believe it or not so go ahead John sorry no I'm just wondering if future products there well no obviously I guess I mean so now you can repair a 12 or 13 I think yeah it's only iPhones right now in in Apple's store that's right as well that's right that's right yeah yeah it'll be interesting to see how far back we go when you we are able to repair max right like what with which models does it start I finally remember so my current machines were not user serviceable at all but it was prior I mean I liked to you know put in my own memory put in my own assistee and replace the battery when it got shot which you were able to do all those things once once once upon a time yes and even the mini the mini was a pain in the neck though because you had to like take the motherboard out in order to get to the hard drive and it's like oh yeah behind this it's it's a laptop of course yeah it's you have to excavate it you gotta excavate it yep layer by layer excavating the layers I like it and it didn't look to me Dave like you save a ton of money doing the repair yourself anyway I didn't do a detailed comparison I don't sound it to me like you know for a screen repair for example it's about the same if you walk in the Apple store and give it to them so I'm not sure what you gain here other than the satisfaction of self repair oh yeah no one no one said that Apple had to set this up in such a way that people were incentivized to do this for themselves they are mistaken though those prices look I mean I didn't check what Apple's current replacement prices are but it seems ballpark the same yeah 13 Pro Max display bundle which looks to come with the display kit the screw kit the display adhesive is a I'm looking here you know that's three hundred and twelve dollars two seventy five two seventy eight when you're all when all is said and done so yeah it's about like what it would cost if you walked in and said I need a new screen please help yeah exactly yeah I don't disagree yeah it's interesting yeah but I mean it wouldn't surprise me if we saw a world where these prices were more than what you might pay right because all they have to do is honor the letter of the law which is allow self repair you don't know I don't know how they could induce them to price it in anyway oh yeah no no no that's not how the world that's it you gotta you gotta do it okay we're to check the box next yeah they're nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars but hey hey you can buy it we'll take your money all day every day that's right but if you have a problem with this we recommend you visit the genius bar we have a price structure there too yeah we can do it for less we can do it for less that's right wink wink yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah I think most people will be just like you guys said you know you you are like why bother now there may be a scenario if if you know the stores near you if there are no stores near you right no Apple stores near you or if they're short-handed in that moment to the point where you know repairs are six weeks out and you can get the parts the next day well now maybe that option looks a whole lot less daunting than waiting six weeks to have your iPhone repaired right so I can I can see you know like I never say never maybe seems to be the theme for today show we had we had we have some other good ones I like excavating the layers to right I don't know I'll play with some some some clip art clip art topically sent topically appropriate clip art yeah like when we we did that episode with Allison Sheridan the the title was going to be spring break and you know I apps icons crazy spring break and I cooked up this whole thing and then I found that picture of the abandoned storefront and we decided that Cosmart in Kaskatchewan was a much better way to go and but maybe the Cosmart in Kaskatchewan will sell you these Apple parts at a discount I don't know I would always check because that's the place that's where I shop first I used to say it was otherworld computing that's where I shop second the first place I shop is the Cosmart in Kaskatchewan so John save us from this silliness will you please you want to tell us about Elliot's tip here I love this okay Elliot says maybe it's maybe it's because I'm aging but I increasingly have a need to swiftly jot down notes while working at my Mac before I lose some ephemeral piece of information of course with a few steps we've always been able to open the notes app or any other text editor quickly jot down one step faster certain apps put an icon in the menu bar to open a notepad and of course you can configure hotkeys to quickly open writing apps but Monterey introduced the absolute fastest way to start a new blank Apple note with the new so-called quick note feature you can do it with a hotkey default is function cube that's the best way to activate quick notes is simply to move your cursor to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and click on the white button that appears to open Apple notes oh have you not done that yet no he's right it's awesome yeah it's cool okay either to the last note or a new blank note as you configure it your note will of course sync across all devices via iCloud however I've been envious and frustrated by this innovation because I would much rather use drafts by Greg Pierce from agile tortoise 10 years old and still being actively developed in leaps and bounds then Apple notes given its support for plain text and markdown you must have covered drafts at some time but just in case drafts is a tagline set is truly where text starts for me on my mac whatever you open the app after a configurable interval I have mine set to find five minutes it opens a new page to accept keyboard or dictation text entry you configure any actions you desire with the enter text whether it's going to be saved as a new note or appended to an existing one copy to the clipboard sent as an email message tweet or text message save as a reminder or new calendar event added to my journaling app instead into any other app etc there's an extensive library of actions that integrate with a wide variety of apps and services in an active user community always developing new ones new entries so this is all he okay so we're a little bit of a tangent which is a fine tangent this is a cool stuff found right for sure about this drafts app yeah that's that's yeah I got to dig back into that that sounds do you use drafts Bob or are you an Apple notes guy I have become an Apple notes guy as you may recall I wrote a couple articles when I was switching from Evernote and at this point I'm pretty comfortable with using notes as my like junk drawer we we've used Evernote for a while here for Mackie Keb largely because it allowed us to put you know all the PDFs that like the one that John's in the middle of reading right now where I interrupted for this for this tangent but and it syncs amongst us but of course Apple notes now has sync and Evernote has not had Apple script support in the new versions in a while so we are stuck on Evernote legacy and I am real close really I'm just a and a free afternoon away from converting us to ever to Apple notes for the entirety of what we do here with the show but the because it's I mean it's it's definitely the way to go as long as we don't wind up doing a windows related show and have to bring in some person that's not an Apple user but all that being said like well for this week for you Bob I packaged up the this week's section of notes and I sent them to you as an eNEX export which is an Evernote export file and I don't know if you tried it I opened it in well because I still have Evernote on my disc when I double clicked it it opened Evernote but I thought I'd take a look at it in notes so I right clicked and said open with and opened it in notes it opened as what is a folder yeah it adds a whole new folder yeah it's great and it like all the stuff right there so yeah yeah really impressive what are they called eNEX files eNEX eNEX yeah but there is a great tip here because you know what what you the scenario you've painted is Elliott loves Apple's functionality of move to the lower right and open a new note and I agree it's great he just wants it to be app independent but thus far that we found there is no setting inside notes like there is in Safari or Mail to set the default notes app however Elliott has a path for us and you're going to share that with us John by the way and I'm not sure why this is but my notes button is in the lower left corner and I don't see a way in notes to choose that but somehow I've managed to get it so that when I drag down to the lower left corner I get the quick note well that's a geek challenge if somebody knows how to configure where that appears and it is it in like whatever happened to mission control like that whole is it in desktop and screensaver right you know like it would have to be somewhere a system preference because it's not in notes preferences you can enable and disable it well he tells us where it is oh okay all right great then because it is it's in hot corners yeah yeah yeah yeah oh okay so if you look at the hot corners that are connected to displays for example yes yeah exactly so that's quick note but John you have a path for us don't you right so so yeah the goal is to replace notes with drafts and Elliot says I just realized that I could do this using better touch tools since discovering the moving the cursor to the screen corner is one of the classes of triggers that better touch tool supports so I got rid of the built-in quick notes function by going to system preferences desktop and screensaver screensaver hot corners and un-choosing quick notes from the lower right hand corner so that answers the question is this then open BTT to the main screen click on the actions drop down and choose the automations and named and other triggers menu item for me this command nine but could be different for you one of the triggers you can choose in that action is move mouse the screen corner and configure the right corner as the trigger open drafts of course you can use any other trigger if you prefer but the lower right corner is right for me you can also choose to require a modifier key for example only trigger when you move to the right corner while the control key is down by the way as a bonus tip if you have an M1 Mac laptop with the screen notch another class of actions you can use as triggers are not related such as clicking on the notch single double or right clicking or moving you your cursor into or out of the notch area that's cool I had no idea that I like this I like this I looked quickly John while you were sharing that to see if there was some world where keyboard maestro could do a you know a similar trigger right because that's all we need is something that's running and if if you're you know I like to have as few things running as possible but maintaining all the functionality that I want right and so I have keyboard maestro running it does my clipboard it does lots of my automation and I started looking while we were doing the show here and found a gesture trigger inside keyboard maestro this is not what I would want for this it immediately became obvious that I was doing something very dangerous while recording a podcast because what the gesture is is as soon as you add a trigger to one of your macros it expects you to draw a shape with the mouse a gesture if you will and then that becomes the trigger for whatever action you are doing yeah so I realized I was accidentally creating a gesture that I'm sure I could accidentally invoke and that might be really bad and never remember right yes exactly so I quickly deleted that from the macro that I was looking at but there might be something in there I just didn't want to find it in real time after that particular stumble so I recall now why I moved the quick note button to the left bottom because my whole life the lower right corner is disable screensaver and I just kind of depend on it being there slam the mouse to the right corner and the thing is I could have added a keyboard you know a modifier key but then I've never ever remembered it see having it in the lower left corner I built muscle memory already and that's where it lives but I forgot how I got it there so thank you for whoever whoever sent me to hot corners yeah hot corners is helpful and hot corners is somewhat buried it's in desktop and system preferences desktop and screensaver screensaver and then hot corners dot dot dot is in the lower right hand corner and as you pointed out Bob perhaps accidentally you can set modifier keys for for these things when you select so yeah I can have up to five however many keys you've got but for each corner you could have four or five actions no you can't you can only have one at a time for each corner well try it how are you going to do it it's a menu oh yeah that's a good point so yeah I was thinking you technically can use up to five keys but you can only have one that's active for that corner at a time yeah yeah yeah alright I need to dig into keyboard maestro for this because I feel like well certainly if I can't do it with keyboard maestro I was right there and would do all of these things so are you still a better touch tool user John I know you were messing with it for a little while but I wasn't sure if that was still a thing for you yeah with the add-on for the touch bar right you still have a touch bar laptop yeah golden chaos is the yeah it actually makes the touch bar useful imagine you know it shows the time it has a weather widget all sorts of things if you press them you get more details yeah calendar things some of it is built in with the OS but this adds a lot more functionality yeah yeah for sure I played with better touch tool for a while but Logitech came out with a new version of their Logi options that works pretty well with my mouse so I've switched back to it but that could change at any time sure are you using a Logitech mouse I am yes I wasn't sure if you and that's why I was holding it up it's it's a MX master 3 yeah and you know it's just I could get better touch tool to do everything that the Logitech stuff does sure it also had so much else that I was spending a lot of time looking for other stuff I could do it was again like running omnifocus or something I spent more time playing with setup than I did actually working I was always looking for one more thing I could do with that side wheel yeah so I switched back to Logitech software which is streamlined and just does what I need and it's been working pretty well yeah that's great that's great and I love this mouse it's like I try other stuff I've tried a million times to become a trackball enthusiast a trackpad enthusiast but given the choice my hand wants that mouse with three buttons you know or seven buttons actually on this mouse or nine buttons I guess my time with a laptop has made the trackpad super comfortable for me right I mean you kind of have to adapt to that at least incorporate it into your workflow even if it's not a replacement I use a trackpad a magic trackpad two or pro or whatever the heck the name of the current model is down on my Mac mini in the office I have one but I prefer my mouse and I have the old one up here in the studio but for whatever reason I gravitate to this old I mean it looks disgusting yes the show is an audio show so we try to keep things from being visually reliant most of the time but I wouldn't even show this on the video because I'm embarrassed of how terrible it looks but you know it's just this old razor mouse it's a wired mouse and it works and it's what I'm comfortable with and it's probably because you know doing the show I have so many things going on that it's like alright the parts of my brain that can just be on autopilot let's just leave those on autopilot and the mouse tends to work okay for those sure and I don't use the keyboard on my laptop as my keyboard very often only if I'm not home and 99% of the time it's on a roost stand sure and I'm not using the keyboard or trackpad everything's hooked up to a dock and a big screen and another and an iPad so I have three screens now and sure keyboard and so I've just never made the switch I've never gotten comfortable enough and and I know I can do everything the mouse does and more on the trackpad if I just force myself and I try every so often I've got one right here I take the mouse away and try to make myself use it and you know in a couple days I'm like where's my mouse I feel like you got mittens on again where's my mouse yeah yeah I mean it's out that's why I'm an iconoclast I'm old I'm a Luddite I I there's this thing that has been coming up for me lately and I realized actually after listening to a recent episode of ATP the the the accidental tech podcast that I am not alone in that this is not a problem unique to my setup here in the studio I would routinely come up here but not always come up here and have my computer wake from sleep only to realize none of my peripherals were attached the way I wanted them to be and this is relatively new last month or so right and and so it's like what's going on and I would restart the Mac but that wouldn't necessarily fix it if I shut it down and turned it back on that would fix it and then I realize just taking the power out of it was only things connected to one of my thunderbolt device it was a thunderbolt hub and so I realize if I just pull power from that thunderbolt hub reapply power then it's fine and then it's fine for a few days and then it goes away again ok well I know what the problem is and I know why it's appears to be intermittent for me this happens cal digits sorted this out this happens with 12.3 and 12.3.1 it is newly introduced and it is when the mac wakes from sleep the thunderbolt connection does not get renegotiated the way to fix it is one of two ways and cal digit points both of these out number one is disable sleep mode on your mac so that your mac never goes to sleep and then you won't have this problem you can still let display sleep happen you know what we'll call motherboard sleep or whatever the rest of the sleep is so that's number one but number two was far more informative to me given the path I just explained reconnect the thunderbolt dock on each os reboot before your computer goes into sleep it only needs to be done once per reboot and as long time listeners might remember my mac in the studio is scheduled to automatically reboot once every week on Thursday mornings so that's why occasionally I come up and it's all disconnected but most of the time I come up and it's fine because I fix it by doing this reconnection and then it stays fine until the next time I reboot clearly something Apple can and hopefully will because I think they need to fix in software but have either of you experienced these things that are issue where occasionally when I rebooted my anchor my anchor thunderbolt dock would switch to green light which is not powered and then all I had to do to fix it was notice that it was green lighted and turn the power on press the power button once that brought it back but this was a couple months ago it was gone away I think after .3 and .31 it hasn't happened in a while and I kind of was wondering about it because nothing else has changed I haven't changed the devices that are connected the monitors but all of a sudden it's I haven't seen the green light in a month or two but for a long time I was getting that just occasionally not all the time but some reboots would cause the green light and the solution was to repower the dock what kind of is it an M1 yes M1 MacBook Air so I don't have this problem down in the office where I have also lots of thunderbolt devices and again there's obviously some interaction and CalDigit knows what it is they probably do I guess this other world computing knows what it is too mine is an OWC device that I need to reset but I mean it's all thunderbolt right and CalDigit and OWC both know what they're doing with the thunderbolt stuff as far as I'm able to tell but I was wondering if this was Intel versus Apple Silicon because I'm still Intel here in the studio I'm Apple Silicon downstairs I'm not interested in replicating this scenario it's too much headache but John have you experienced this with any of your thunderbolt hubs um no I have the OWC I think I'll have an port same so all I have plugged into it at the moment is USB A devices okay you know I did make some changes here I added this you know this third monitor behind me and I'm super reliant on thunderbolt right now because my personas quantum 2626 is the audio interface that my entire world relies on and that is thunderbolt now I love it because it's thunderbolt it's like super efficient and I love the preamps in it too but it's just like like the latency on it is so low I actually had to artificially add latency when I moved to it Bob I was so used to hearing the delays that USB incurred that's funny so it took me I had to wean myself off of those those buffers producing it yeah but yeah I don't know it's interesting all right um I want to I'm trying to think of where to go here with the time that we have left photos is a thing that that that is of interest to you Bob right you you do enough with photos all right so let's let's go to before you do that yes sir I would like to say I'd rather you do the moom all right because I wrote a column about movement stay recently then John will you take us to listener Bob's comments not this listener Bob on right different listener Bob comments on show 919 about we were talking about moom and stay and I said I use stay because it allows me to granularly and specifically customize my window placement and I said I don't think Moom does that and listener Bob that's not Dr. Mack wrote in and you've got his email in front of you I think yes so Bob says I strongly suspect you have already received moom information save a window arrangement but I figured I would pass along my experience with Moom as well as stay Moom preferences custom plus sign arrange window will allow you to memory memory the current open window sizes and arrangement position on the screens when you first create a new arrange window preference you get to save snapshot after that you can update snapshot as you decide to rearrange things or add additional open windows to your arrange window preference note I first used stay as I could more easily understand how stay work but over time I found that it would not always work correctly and after a while it got annoying this was mostly associated with multiple item to windows and tabs I would find that sometimes the wide windows with multiple tabs would turn into narrow windows or the other way around so I decided to look more closely at Moom and after some Google searches I found the arrange window preference I've been able I've been using Moom for about two years and I found it works better for me especially being able to update my existing arrange window preference with changes interesting alright I'm going to have to dig back into Moom Bob Bob I own both I owned Moom until you guys talked about stay then I bought stay and tried it okay so here's my issue I want something that will just remember things like where I like my mail window and automatically put it back there if it's not there because I wake my Mac up and it moves windows around and shrinks them and changes the monitor they're on and everything is a mess and what I want is when I wake it up for it to go hey this isn't right boom stay does that now I'm not saying Moom doesn't Moom does but it requires a keystroke I just want it to happen same so stay will do that but it's not consistent it doesn't always I have a keystroke when it doesn't yeah but for me it was a better option because I don't change it I've got a whole layout that's just done and if I were to change it I would just memorize the new layout and that would automatically recur but that's the key for me is I don't want to have to like go oh they're out of order again what's the keystroke for that I just want them to go back where they belong and stay does that and it says rearranging windows while it's doing it so I know that you're like oh they came up in the wrong places but they're going back like by magic yeah I want them to be like Jojo and Sweet Lord or Martin they got to just get back to where they once belonged well stay theoretically does that and when it doesn't I can use my keystroke I could never find a way and I like Moom I have no problem with it but I couldn't find a way to make it automatically to automate Moom yeah no the automation of stay is the thing like when I wake up run that instead of having the keystroke and I probably could hook it up with keyboard maestro now that I think about it I'm a registered owner of both when I have time I'll play with maybe I don't know yeah no I have to say though I've been happy with what's it called stay stay so it's what's running now and it seems to be working most of the time yep so and they're about the same price once I think Moom is 10 bucks and stay was 15 yeah the cost is for the functionality they deliver it is absolutely worth it and you won't think about it again why has this been in every version of macOS 10 since time immemorial it is definitely a bug when you put a window somewhere and when you wake up the window has magically moved somewhere else what's up with that yeah I call it a long standing bug I agree yeah why is it why why do these products need to exist I should just put it somewhere and it stays like why why does there need to be an app called stay why isn't just a function base like table stakes functionality not only that the guy can make a living with an app like stay over multiple versions of the operating system yeah it's like why why don't you share lock that yeah exactly exactly you're gonna share lock something you know all right hey younger folks probably don't know what we know it's probably kids you might have to ask your parents about surelocking Bob we are running out of we are at the point where we would end the episode however you're here I have a visual aid yes and you have a cool stuff that you're gonna tell people about but I'm gonna highly encourage folks to watch the video I will make sure that this is one of the things that Sadie clips out this is very visual so that you don't have to scrub through the video but of course you can scrub through in fact you don't even have to scrub through you know we put chapter numbers in everything that we do so your favorite podcatcher including apples podcast app supports this you you just go and tell it which chapter you go to and you know if you didn't want to hear about moon and stay but you did want to hear about this you just go to this chapter and you're good to go the beautiful thing is if you're watching this on on youtube the entire the full stream you just go into the youtube description and I make sure we put the chapter numbers and time stamps there click on a time stamp in that youtube description it will magically bring you right to this point so these chapter marks are there for you to use if you didn't know they were there maybe that's one of the one of the five things you learned today too and I for one appreciate that you put them in because it does make listening better for me I'm glad to hear that thank you yeah that's that's I mean it's good feedback we've heard that you're not the only one but I feel like it's something obviously we do every week but I feel like it's something that most people don't know about and I always forget to mention it so so thank you for letting me take the time to do that folks now Dr. Mack as a cool stuff found it's actually one we've talked about before but it's been a long time well and I'm going to write a column about it pretty soon I've been I actually just got another kind of this thing that I play with before I write about them but it's called the twinkly lights and the one that I've got that I'm going to show you is called strings and it's 250 addressable LEDs now what's different about that what's unique about that well each individual LED is mapped and you can then make it do things like this so Bob is showing patterns of lights that he I guess you drilled holes in this is a piece of wood I built and there's 250 holes okay that's not the only way you could use this and I'm going to tell you why it's so cool but not only will it do stuff like this look here he's showing an American flag pattern and it also will dance to if I were playing music I could get it to respond to music which is really cool alright so that's that's kind of what it does now what's so cool about it is the way it orients those dots is by pointing your camera at it and it records it looks and says okay and it lights them all up in sequence and it says okay light number one is there one two is there you could put them on a wall and I did this on my Christmas Christmas they were designed for Christmas trees but it turns out because of the app they're suitable for any lighting I mean you've got two 10 foot strings of 125 lights and it doesn't matter this is the the part that I want to make sure people don't lose here is that it doesn't matter how you lay them out you don't need to worry about where light number one is you like for us on the Christmas tree we just strung them up on the tree and then point the camera and the camera does all the work yeah it lights them all up I think yellow or something and and as you move around the tree it starts changing the color to okay now it's green I know about those go over here and I'll keep changing whatever changes it to it doesn't matter but it's it's got this idiot proof process then it's got all these built-in effects so you know like these stars and swirls and that stuff's all built in you don't have to do anything but you can also do things yourself like for example you can write your name with your that was going to be my question how do you how do you program this there's a bunch of you can to to a limited degree you can't do everything that it that you can do with presets but you can do a lot of stuff custom and you do it on your phone it's not like you have to like when to use the word program is technically accurate but probably misleading or like assemble yeah you just just with your finger yeah yeah it's great yeah it's fun stuff I we love these things on the Christmas tree because it was really fun I made the wood thing because I wanted to be able to take it in like whatever room I want to hang it in what I like is I can say to it turn blue 40% and it responds to voice it doesn't as far as I can tell it doesn't let you call up a preset by voice but it will do colors I think it will do pulsing you know I think you can say pulse blue I know you can say a percentage so it can act as a room light and you can go anywhere from I guess 10% or 1% to 99 or 100% sure but for the presets you got to use your phone as far as I can tell I'm going to find out because that wouldn't I mean it already responds to voice for some things I can't imagine it would be that big a deal to be able to say show the shooting star I thought I was pulling up presets with the amazon a lady interaction now that might work I'm talking about the s lady now I haven't even set up the a lady because the s ladies always on my wrist or my yeah fair yeah fair for sure I set her up for other things like my office lights half of them don't aren't home kit so of course the a lady is office lights off right right well we should do it deep dive into home kit or home bridge and hoops so that you can set up hoops at home wherever your new home is Bob yes I get to start over I get to like buy the things that I want so how do you talk to it is it bluetooth or it's wi-fi it's connected via wi-fi yeah and you just you just say to the s lady you know they're named twinkly lights so I say set twinkly lights to blue 50% and that happens it's sweet and they're not that expensive this thing was I think $99 $250 and there's other kinds different different LED types and different configurations I think there might be some that are fewer bulbs and less expensive and I think there's even bigger configurations so there's a bunch of options and it's pretty fun I've really had a good time both looking at it and you know building the holder for it yeah I like building stuff out of wood cool that's my new passion hey you know you are not alone I was listening to David Sparks on the I forget which podcast I think it was the focus podcast the other day and you know he is he is a recovering attorney now and professional podcaster of course and he's getting into back into woodworking as well so yeah I want to thank you for coming on the show my friend this has been this has been great it's my pleasure yeah absolutely absolutely keep me on the list for fill in host you are on the pilot piece on the hub list for sure absolutely yeah yeah no it's great Bob I assume most people listening have heard of you or probably heard you before but if people want to follow the work you're doing now where is the best place for them to do that levitas.com which will say working smarter for Mac users because I haven't gotten around to changing it levitas.com will take you there and some of my woodworks are up there you can also hire me as a consultant and I think that's it for the website for now cool alright thanks for hanging out in the we have our discord channel is going very strong in fact it's been fantastic but Fernando and I think I'm pronouncing that wrong in the chat room at when I mentioned that we should do a deep dive on hoops said that he would love a deep dive on hoops and instantly it hit me what we're going to do next I think we're going to do an interactive user group you know style zoom presentation discussion I don't even want to call it a presentation but a you know a collaborative discussion on hoops and home bridge and we'll just schedule it some evening where we can all just come in and hang out and we'll do it in discord it'll be a great use of our new discord channel you can join discord at mackeycup.com slash discord but I think it'd be a blast to just hang out really and we can have a topic we can talk about hoops but really we're just going to hang and we'll do that user group for the new millennium exactly like it hit me that as I was reading this comment like just now like you know if some user group asked me to do a hoops thing I would do it and I would like spend a day traveling down and back to do this like why can't I do this with all of our listen like this is crazy of course we're going to do this like yeah of course we're going to do this yeah alright so that's coming think about other things we're also going to do with on plex too because I know that there's a lot of us plex was one of those things that user groups would ask me to teach but in person teaching plex you know one to you know even if it's just 15 people but certainly 150 people it doesn't work because you need to see basically you need to be over my shoulder so that you can see the details of my screen while I'm showing you what I do with plex and then invariably you're going to show me what you do with plex which is different and we all learn from each other well when pandemic hit and every user group moved to zoom I was like wait opportunity knocks because now everyone is looking over my shoulder doesn't matter if there's one person or a hundred people you're all seeing my screen as close as you want to see it in your own home so yeah we can hoobs is the same thing as plex it's it's not I can talk in general about it but if if you want to learn it you got to see it and you got to interact with it it's just like plex so yeah we'll do these that I'm so excited I don't know if you could tell so join our discord channel we'd love to have you there John anything you want to share before we pull the ripcord on this thing nope alright folks thank you for hanging out with us Bob again thank you for hanging out with us it's been a blast make sure you check out our sponsors the ones we mentioned in the episode of course helix sleep dot com slash mgg zock dot com slash mgg collide ko lide dot com slash mgg and of course you can go to mackeykev dot com slash sponsors and see all of them there I will also point out that the search engine at mackeykev dot com is super valuable now because it's only searching mgg episode there is one more thing what's this Bob what are you saying what one more thing are you talking I already told him about the things don't get thank you Bob