 And we are live. I'm Anthony dream Johnson Founder and CEO 21 studios broadcasting live from Orlando, Florida at 21 studios global command today I'm joined by the red man group including roll to mossy from rational mail I don't see it. Whoa shit the hell's going on with that. It's all right some feedback guys Anyway roll to mossy from rational mail Ryan stone from married red pill Dot him and sharp from the sharp reality and black web logic from black web logic comm also known as Carl or Carlos Gentlemen, thanks for joining me today Yeah, thanks for having us Hell yeah, once again Yep, so what do you guys what do you guys have going on? Well, I'll kick it off actually the round table We launched tickets to alumni the other day to from the 21 convention So they have first access to tickets to the 21 convention 2018 going on this October in Florida That's been a big deal. It's been sucking up a lot of time and attention, but it's been really fun and exciting to get those out to the guys Roll up. Oh gosh, what haven't I been doing? I've got like real-life things that I'm doing right now Yeah, as you you guys know, but nobody else knows I just closed on a property in Florida So I'm going to be spending some time there and spending some time here in Nevada as well So I'm sort of like Sifting things out and deciding what needs to go to Florida and what doesn't Next not this week, but the next week. I'm going to be driving across the country With a big giant truck and carrying a bunch of stuff out there So it's quite possible that not next weekend but the weekend after I'll be with you Anthony We'll be in studio together. We can we can work it out there and then It's still on the books, but I'm gonna make the announcement right now Next week when I am in Florida the week after The week of May 24th, which is I believe Thursday I will be going on live with Milo Yiannopoulos Oh sweet That is big-time holy shit in student because he's his studio. He's got this new I'm you I don't know if you guys know he's he's got this new YouTube channel that he's sort of decided he wants to Be a pundit of some sorts on YouTube and I kind of like it. It's actually kind of an interesting show. It's all For the most part it's subscription But there's stuff that that he allows for free and then of course, you know me It's like I'm always gonna push for free stuff So hopefully I won't have to be entirely behind a paywall But he does clips that are about 15 20 minutes sometimes half an hour long depending on the topic You know, since I'm making the trip out there. I think he and I are probably gonna spend a little bit more time than Normal guest Anthony already knows this but back in October Right after gosh almost a week after the 21 convention. We went to go see What was it Milo and Roger Stone, yeah, Roger Stone and Just went to go see them do their their bit They're going around the country kind of talking and stuff like that And I know people have sort of mixed mixed opinions about Milo The thing about Milo is that like he and I used to talk quite a bit back in the day before he was Milo You know, of course, it's like back when he had a Twitter account and they used to go by Nero was his name so Like he and I have you know, whenever he was talking about When he was, you know, I guess he was writing stories for Breitbart at the time He would hit me up for information about like intergender dynamics and red pill stuff back then And you know, he moved on from that, you know, obviously he does more of a political side of things but he is You know, he's still interested in Men's issues and of course, he's you know, he's famous for saying you know for the hashtag feminism is cancer. So I Think it's gonna be really interesting Like I said back in October Anthony and I Anthony could probably tell a story better than I can because I'm just I just went in There and just talked to the guy, but there's a lot of stuff that went down and we we got in there And it was like, you know, one mafia meeting the other mafia Yeah, it was hell of a night. We had a couple of the speakers with us too from the convention Yeah, you know, it's crazy. So that's what I'm gearing up for right now I'm not really sure what the topics of discussion are going to be I mean, it could be anything I considering all the things that are going on with in cells and yeah I think red the red pill from an intersexual dynamics perspective is really starting to Get a little bit more bad press. I think but at least it's getting some press So we'll see what my little show too would probably be your biggest media parents ever it I should think so There's been some talk about I mean between myself and other parties about maybe getting on with Tucker Carlson Oh, yeah, yes So if I can get my foot in the door with Tucker Carlson, even if it's just like a 15-minute spot It'd be kind of cool. And you know, I want to get out there and I really want to I Want to make red pill from in it, you know, like the red pill that we talk about I want it to be a little bit more specific to intersexual dynamics and I'm in a way I'm kind of like kryptonite to some of these guys because they still cling to that old Blue pill, you know, they want to appease women. They still have women on the collective pedestal And it's like the sisterhood pedestal. And so finding the right venue to get in there I mean, my my love would be great. I mean, I don't have to worry, you know about my he understands pretty much the whole thing but You know getting off Tucker Carlson. Tucker Tucker's interesting because I think he has sort of shipped Gears one red pill Pat and I we we've been talking about this guy. We I think we had to We were talking about on the radio show He's got he used to there was a when he was on fox and friends. He did an interview with dr. Helen Smith. Oh, yeah, they were talking about, you know, the war on marriage or the the boycott of marriage and he was very very Blue pill trad con like well mentioned man up and they should they should get married and they need to take on responsibility and he was very You know pro conservative traditional masculinity kind of guy and now He's really shifted gears at least in 2018 And maybe he's still like that, but I think he's Found that there's a niche or there's there's an unexploited market for him to get into at this stage And so he's doing his you know on wednesdays. I think he has you know men in america series or something I don't know if he's still doing it. I know he was doing it for march in april, but I don't know if he's continuing it I think he is But uh, what's because he has three teenage kids doesn't he yes five or something like that Yeah, probably now they're old enough. He's past the cute stage of kids now. They're teenagers. He's like It's interesting. It's interesting to say how that works out because I know so many bloggers who You know mommy bloggers in particular who got into The red pill side of things because they were worried about their their daughters or their sons getting all locked up into It's a hook-up culture, you know and now that they're grown They they don't care anymore That's like suddenly they're they're not as invested in it as they were And then back when they were really like, you know, their kids are like tweens when they're like 8 10 12 years old They don't really care so much But once they hit the teens and they get into the point where they're like 14 up until they get married You know in their 20s or something like that then they're really really interested that that's what Anyways, that's what i'm doing Nice Ryan, what do you got going on? I saw you sent me a post where uh, this show is actually blowing up in the red pill subreddit Yeah, it was neat. So i've uh I always hate doing the the self promotion things. We try to keep it focused on game and frame But other people are hosting out. That's kind of nice Uh, nothing but good feedback even from the usual peanut gallery. So that's always good We actually got a little bit of hate. Well, you got a little bit of hate mail. Oh, I did. I showed you that one Yeah, they posted uh It's this weird subreddit called Like this is supposed to be alpha or some crap like that It was a picture of the 21 convention saying this is the red pill and they showed every non red pill speaker you had Wait, wait in like in like of course this in like history of like 10 years or what? I think it was just the last year's one like they had socrates up there and they were like This is the guy who tells you to lift all day and i'm like, yeah No, he doesn't they had they had johnny support. Oh on there and they had like ross jeffrey's Yeah Was hypnotic conveniently left out Yeah, like everybody who was in shape they completely left out, which was kind of funny there Uh, and then on a personal level Finally got my cd. I think I posted this one. I don't know if you guys know in canada There's uh, I got two medals for my military time The southwest asia service medal that I got for deploying over by somalia and the other one's a cd Oh, don't clap. I have puked a lot. What's the state? I don't know canadian decoration It's essentially you get it at 12 years 22 years and 32 years So two years after I retired finally came in the mail with uh with an apology letter from Some lieutenant commander, which i'm gonna hang that and frame it beside the other letter I got from a different commanding officer or calling me a bag of shit, so I don't know why but i'm really proud of both of those Congratulations, and that's what I got going on Good Donovan it's been a while man. Welcome back to the show. How you doing? Yeah doing good. Um, yeah since um, since my uh, I've been exiled from youtube I've been working hard behind the scenes building my website for those of you who want to know and you know Again, we're not into the whole self promotion thing, but um donovan sharp.com. That's where to find all my content I've tied my website along with patreon So most of my content is gated, but some of it isn't you know, I understand that you know not everybody has You know xyz, but a lot of good content on there. The train never stops running And um, so yeah, I mean i'm no longer reliant on Relying on youtube. I'm building my building my audience the the hard way the old-fashioned way So um, so yeah, I mean, you know, you know good old-fashioned SEO keywords, you know, you know relevant topics Etc. Etc. So so think things are going well It's it's a lot more it's certainly a lot more work than it used to be But um, I like it a lot I like being in complete control of my content and not have to worry about some You know some some some fat feminist with cankles or or you know some Some some blue pill beta white knight, you know trying to you know, you know Flagging wars things of that nature. So um, yeah, my my my my content is the same as it was It's probably a little bit more raw, but uh, yeah, I mean donovan sharp.com is where you can find my content No, so that's that's really what I've been Cool. I'm sorry I had to fix something there. That was close one Uh, carl, how you doing man? Oh, I'm doing good. Um, just been uh I've been setting up another website actually because I heard that donovan was doing his own platform And I'm setting up a betting site so you can back on how long does it take him to get banned from a platform? Good good Hey, listen, I'll listen. I'll take the under if you're doing over under I'm definitely taking the under don't worry donovan. You will never be banned from the 21 convention 21 studios Is a safe space for men a very safe space It's only a matter of time we were actually just talking about this rollo is talking about um I mean listen google has all of the money. So I don't know if they can't I think ryan said that they can't really own wordpress But but my particular site is hosted through a particular You know through a particular website or whatever you guys can probably find out what that is But who knows maybe google buys those guys and eliminates me. So, you know, you know, we gotta do but I mean that's that's dystopic That's way off into the future But it would be a lot harder to take me down off of this platform than on youtube All they have to do is snap their fingers and i'm gone But it's gonna it's gonna take a lot more effort to do at this time and since then, you know My viewership is certainly increased so a win-win Yeah, I'll put a link to your patreon too and all that in the video description now. This is done on your website Thank you. Thank you. I think you're I think your twitter account's actually linked in the video description. So My bad, you know what? You know, hey, listen, listen, that's okay. Leave my old twitter account If you'd google donovan sharp twitter My page is completely suspended, but you can still see like google has indexed all of my tweets So you can still see my tweets even though it's been even though it's been suspended But you know what add it adds to the um It sort of adds to the narrative Hey, donovan sharp is a truth teller twitter suspended twitter has got him off youtube's got him off find out why so I prefer to call you a hated enemy of the feminist empire, but you know true teller works too You know, well, hey, they all want my dick. This is how this is how women react when they want dick Can't say I blame them. Well, i'm not gonna lie. It's nice to have you like exclusively on this show That's true. That's very true. Yeah, listen. There's only two other plate Listen, there's only two other places to get me I do a show with it with another guy called those shade duke jackson and then I do my show other than that This is it. So if guys want donovan either come to 21 studios or get a donovan sharp.com. It's about it sweet Carl anything else so we had kind of went off topic there. I know you had a new post come out. Um, I did not really get No, I'm Mailing it to you every day until I've got it confirmed that you've read it Now it was just something that I've been doing every year around my birthday is I sit down and I kind of take The accounts of the previous year and I see okay Where have I improved? What has gone off the rails? What's not on point and so on And this year I thought that would actually be an interesting thing for a lot of guys to read because we talk a lot about self improvement and various things but we don't really tell guys, you know, here is what you need to watch out for like I'm not sure if I posted it, but The hundred approaches things started out as a way to get guys to get over approach anxiety for example, for instance and Somewhere along that line that became oh just do a hundred approaches to get good at game and that's not how it works That's just to get you to stop sweating and Stuttering over yourself when you approach and Going beyond, you know, 20 30 approaches just to get that done It it just you waste effort because you're not improving anything in the last 70 so And the same thing and that was what I was getting into in the post that okay at some point you have to see The effort I'm putting in here is not netting me the results I want at the rate I would want them and you have to either change what you're doing Or decide is this something I'm going to keep doing or should I just stop doing it? Yeah, the the graph you the graph you posted is very triggering the law of diminishing returns with Basically self-improvement or Harvey came to create the graph. But yeah, I like it a lot Oh, I you stole that graph. I'm I don't really put much effort That's usually whenever I finish a post. I'm like, okay. I want to call it this and the main topic is this Okay, put in a duck duck go search and see what happens Yeah, regardless. It's very triggering and I I enjoy it even just seeing it. Oh, it looks like a good post I got your book by the way right in the shelf here. It's gonna get finished, dude It's got it's even physically closer to me now. So it's gonna happen That's funny when you see when you see graphs like that you're right It is very triggering because people don't want to accept that, you know The nuts and bolts and the statistics are are conflicting with their ego investments I the reason I'm saying that is because I got into it with with a bunch of people on twitter this week um, they were talking about how the statistically they were looking at how men are going more celibate these days and let are far far less celibate because uh, well, I mean really because They're trying to make a connection to tinder, you know, where women are women can pretty much get, you know laid whenever they want while Exercising their hypergamy. I mean really what is what is tinder? It's a uh, it's an app that's used to facilitate hypergamy And listen, let me let me correct you there. Men aren't going to they're not deciding to be celibate Men are being forced into celibacy. Yes. What's what the ends for? Yeah, in voluntary in self involuntary celibate Just like our guy, um, what was his name? I keep forgetting his name man. I know is Yeah Yeah, manassi and alex manassi and the canadian guy that decided to run over a bunch of people Oh, the truck's the crazy truck. Listen check this out, man And I know I don't want to make light of the situation because this is a very serious situation But I honestly think that if mass shooters and this is sort of half joking But if mass shooters would just jerk off twice before picking up that gun Maybe they wouldn't pick up the gun anymore. Right. I mean I mean Otherwise it would just be hookers hookers and sex bots All right. Okay. All right. We're social creatures, right? So when you're Anti-social and you're like incapable of building any type of social bond because girls won't go near you Guys probably avoid them too because we're not very social to begin with It puts you in that weird spiral and this is just that one in 10,000 people that has that radical side effect of it and they end up going crazy Well to be clear too. He didn't pick up a gun. He drove a truck, right? And who was it one of you guys that said this they had a point that thank god that right now our mass murderers aren't very smart It was either I something was read on twitter when you guys linked it But yeah, it was like people are putting bombs in their shoes. They're driving trucks Imagine when you start getting these mit graduates, you're going to be increasingly i'm like Involuntary celibate and then somebody who's got An ounce of knowledge about how to make real damage happen Listen Listen, we got close in 06 with thug we showed down at virginia tech man that dude like Yeah, remember he lied like he chained up both sides and killed 32 people in 90 seconds You know, so the song we show that to me. That's a good example That's a good example in terms of when when smart men really start to figure this out Like right now we just got people running people over in trucks and just shooting at random Just like ryan said wait till they really start putting together blueprints And you're going to see you're going to start seeing casualties into the triple figures on a regular basis This is going to make los vegas look like a walk in the park And that's why I hate seeing this guy's rule was talking about where they're talking about in cells need to be locked up Or jailed or killed or like you guys are making the problem worse Like men aren't going to go away and you have to give no And they and all of a sudden they immediately think well You're supposed to just offer them sex to keep them from murdering people. It's like what the fuck is your problem? No, you got to find a method to allow them to get their own They reduce it to a commodity a commodification of it, which is it's really interesting because they That side of the fence or that side of the of the sphere always likes to say well, you should you know people are People we're all individuals and we're all special little snowflakes But yet and they get all pissed off when you talk about how women commodify sex these days But then they're the first people who will commodify it when something like this happens Of course So they say that well these these in cells think that that they're owed sex And that's the first mistake that these people make is that that cells copy that is You know that that gets clicked through when when you make these guys turn out to be these crazy guys It's like no they didn't choose that or they're not doing that because You know because they feel like they're owed sex they're doing it because they have done everything that they could possibly think of To to find intimacy with a woman whether that's sex or that's you know anything else uh The other thing they need to also understand that these guys are usually pretty mentally damaged. I mean this guy alex manasian Um the guy was confirmed to have asperger syndrome. So there is that in days and basic training Here's something I want to throw out to the whole group on this particular issue It's like a question in a sense Do you guys think that open epigrammy and the uh the open feminine imperative being more aggressive is radicalizing mentally ill young men? Or do you think there's a connection there? I think the man of the side effect. Yeah, I think using the term radicalization is what the hemisphere really wants to uh Wants to wipe off on the man of sphere They want to say that you know that the red I've read this a million times and there was a cnn Like sort of mini documentary about this guy who got into the red pill and oh, I saw that. Yeah, he said it didn't work And really it's interesting because that is exactly what Elliott roger said and that's why there was the pickup artist. Hey, the pua hate for him Yeah, the return of kings the viewership uh triple overnight Appreciate that. Well, it's funny is like if you look at his videos, which are still available If you look at his videos, he hated pickup artists. He hated the red pill community I mean, he belonged to he was a premier member of pua hate and and so You know, you got this guy who who went through the motions and went through the pickup artists community and Probably, you know made a token efforts to go and and try to use game to his advantage And then of course it didn't work out for him, but he still had this red pill knowledge And he understood uh hypergamy just, you know, like uh, you know open hypergamy or whatever And tried to use that to his advantage didn't work for him and he became really, you know He's already imbalanced. So he becomes even more imbalanced So when he sees like a stacy and a chad together then he loses his shit And it's because it's not working for him and he thought it was guaranteed that it would be working for him That's I take it a step further too Not just that it's not working for him. It's that it's a rigged game and that he has no chance Yes, and I I hear I hear the rigged game meme a lot from mig towels as well. Just just saying just saying well, listen mig towels and Mig towels and guys like elliot roger. I think I don't know what the other guy's name was But men hate they claim to hate the red pill and they hate puas Is because we get we get easy sex from women They feel like and again, it's just like what you said They feel like if they just go through a set of a series of pick-up lines and motions that the sex should just come to them And when it doesn't work that way they lose their shit But the main reason they originally hate puas and the red pill is because we don't pay We don't we don't put as much time and effort into fucking pretty girls as he tried He paid dude He paid the time the money the motion at the emotion and he still couldn't get laid Whereas red pill aware guys and again, I want to make this distinction Most men have red pill knowledge red pill awareness But but there are very few men and I like to call these men five percenters Who actually put this knowledge into practice and live the red pill life? Listen Listen, there's not a man in the united states alive that doesn't think bitches ain't shit, right? But I mean seriously like you ask any guy At the bar, you know when when there's when there's no women around. Oh, yeah Women or sluts they cheat and they all have this red pill knowledge But very few actually put it into practice And when you when you have men who don't put it into practice with the mentally ill Marginalized from birth as somebody said earlier. That's when you get these mess shoes Well, I would disagree because you have terminal betas and guys along that spectrum who actually deeply believe the lies They've been told for decades They they won't say that at the bar. They'll actually believe girls don't They won't be at the bar But they exactly won't even be well, they might be at the bar drinking or something Yeah, these are the guys These are the guys you curb these are the guys you curb stomp when you go up and and talk to a girl or talk About a girl man. She's got great tits. Don't talk about her that way. Really. What the fuck are you gonna do? Why automatic white knighting and then yes, it's Oh, I hate those folks, man. I'm watching the chat here and they're saying, you know incels are red pill wear Yes, absolutely. They are and and but here's the thing should they not be red pill wear I mean what they take and they do with that knowledge is really kind of on them All right, like I I have dealt with guys who Read my book and they they email me the next day and say this is this is an awakening formula You know, I was gonna kill myself and now I'm not gonna kill I had a date set that I was gonna, you know, put a noose around my neck and now I see hope I see those guys and then I see the other guys who go I'm fucked. I'm I'm 300 pounds. I'm never good. I don't have any Jump off a bridge. Yeah, exactly. I have no hope and they don't or or you get the guys who are so Attached to their old blue pill idealism like but I did everything right and then you and maybe they did They realize that it's a raw deal for them. And so they go, I did everything the right way I played the game like I was supposed to how wrong game. I won the popular vote Those are the guys those are the guys who who They still want to cling to that they they either go purple pill or they go incel is what they do They go into into some sort of state of denial where they don't want to cross that abyss They don't want to see the hope and they want to see the opportunities that exist When you are red pill aware and you accept the red pill You know that knowledge and and you're working in a new paradigm And a lot of guys don't know what to do with themselves after that because they've invested so much of their lives In that blue pill idealism and so yes And so it's a then on top of that you got these people saying well You feel like you're owed sex because you did everything right the way that everybody convinced you like you should be doing Since the time you were five fucking years old And yeah, of course they're going to lose their shit because of that because there's no win There's no win in the red pill for them because they try to do the pickup art of stuff And then there's no win for them on the opposite side because everybody's going to think that they think that they're owed sex I love uh Carlos and great posts on this for behavioral loops that guys get stuck in Where they do all these things they're told to do they don't get laid and they just fucking keep doing it anyway They get they double down for decades It's ridiculous and these guys who say I tried it and didn't work. No, not dude. You didn't really try it Those guys to me they are akin to fat women who want to get gastric bypass surgery now stay with me here These women already know just stay with me guys. These women already know they want to take the easy way out They want to do liposuction the balloon They want to do some sort of surgery so that the weight just comes off without any effort, right? So what do they do before they go to the doctor and get a consultation? They buy the treadmill. They buy the elliptical machine. They buy the useless pink You know weights that are two pounds that don't do shit They buy the exercise ball that they can bounce up and down on to pretend that they're working out They buy the exercise videos They buy they buy everything to show the world that they did what was necessary to try to lose weight That way when they go to the doctor they can say well, I did this I did abc x y and z and it still didn't work Guys who say well, I it's due to my jujitsu class the very first jujitsu class I had I don't know how the red pill came up. I have no idea how it came up But one guy said you know what I tried it stuff and it didn't work I said well, you were trying the wrong thing and I left it at that because I didn't want any I didn't want any trouble It takes years to become it takes years to become the five percent or the red pill aware mail that Um that that you truly want to be if you really want to change as a person It takes more than just reading the rational mail and saying you know what I think I figured it out It takes more than watching me at 4 30 every day and saying you know what donovan is right I'm gonna change no this takes practice like if listen if you want to change your body Dude, that takes years that takes a long time. He can't just say I tried x y z pick up lines And it didn't work so the red pill doesn't work. That's disingenuous and you didn't try It's persistence and its consistency to there you go Also, you have to understand that yeah, you really might be Behind the curve really fucking behind the curve and you have a lot of work to do It doesn't it's not a magic pill. I've written about this several times the the the best example I can give you is uh dream girls and children with dynamite these guys, I mean and you know props to ross jeffreys because I got that that line from them They they become children with dynamite. They they get this This red pill knowledge and it's dangerous to these guys because they haven't killed that blue pill side of themselves yet And they'll learn game and it'll go out there and they'll maybe they'll even see some some success with that But they're also learning about What their real role is and where they fit in to uh to the game really to intersexual dynamics The guy who was talking about his man caves in that you were just Pointing that out that he just figured that out for himself. He was on twitter Yeah, oh, it's uh, I think it was matt wall. What was it matt walsh? That's the one Fuck people hate him man. They hate him Well, they hate him they hate him for a lot of different reasons They hate him first of all because he's trad con and then you know, like It's interesting for when I when I get into it with matt walsh and like myself and dal rock We get into it with with matt walsh all the time and it's like he's he's first of all He's very full of himself when it comes to his his religious and his conservative beliefs Okay, I'm not gonna hold that against him But what he does is he's he is a blue pill white knight While he's trying to tell guys to man up. He's one of these guys who says you need to man up so that you Can be a better, you know slave on a plantation for I've nailed disaster the wall to you a couple times when it when it comes to abortion He's very very much against abortion. I go great. If you think abortion is murder Then should we not have women be tried for murder? If they oh, that's a catchy one. They don't have an answer for that If you ask that question to a guy who's like that who's that traditional conservative mind nine times out of 10 They'll go well, you know, the guy had something to do. I think I know I'm not no no no no no no She has 100 total control over whether that kid lives or dies if she says it dies Should she be considered a murder, you know, should she be tried for murder one or not? Well, it's a diversion too dumping it on the men, right? Listen and listen to this and We have to understand this. This is the time we live in females and females alone They control they have complete control over what babies get born and which babies don't they literally have pro creative control And and here's let's let's call abortion what it is. You can take religion out of it It doesn't matter if you're an atheist. It doesn't matter if you're a democrat or republican Here's what abortion is it is killing people before they're born because i'm gonna tell you something If if if we found out of a vet who was in wichita, kansas Who was killing puppies and kittens before they were born performing abortions on puppies and kittens? Guess what these feminists these fucking fat feminists would lose their fucking minds But they'll but don't march on capitol hill to give people the right to kill people before they're born That's what abortion is. It's not like they give it all these fancy scientific games No, you are killing people before they're born. That's what it is rilla Yeah, I was gonna say and uh that just to sort of Dumbtail into that a little bit People have asked me about this so I figure I better I better clarify it here live on tv What I my belief is about abortions like I'm not necessarily in it from a religious side of things I've you know, I've tried to look at things again like from an objective perspective here But what me what abortion really is is that it is the ultimate expression of hypergamy People go what the fuck are you talking about and I'm like well with you about think about it this way Nothing says he wasn't the right guy like the unilateral uncontested ability to Kill that man's genetic legacy in her own uterus, right? And then at the last freaking minute. I mean all the way up. I mean, what were they talking about like these, uh, these What third trimester abortions and so we can even go to that part right there We can go right up until the baby's head pops out. I mean breaches out of well to clarify though This is in america another country is like japan I think are a bit different Right, right, but what that is. I mean, but think about what is the latent function of those things? That's the same thing I say about like divorce, um, you know, divorce laws in the united states. It's just this big multi billion dollar You know industrial complex. Well, same thing goes for all of these things that have happened since the sexual revolution And one of those is abortion. Why is abortion such a hot button issue for, you know, for that side Of the atmosphere why because it is the last statement in hypergamy if they can say, you know what? I don't want to have a kid and no guy can possibly contest that they always say I don't want the government in my uterus. Okay, great fine But you know what the problem is the reason that you don't want them in your uterus is so you can affect your sexual strategy Hey, parl Yeah, I just wanted Just mentioned that I think we're going to see many more incels Uh, not necessarily coming out of the woodwork, but to coming a much much bigger part of the population Because if you remember the data close some spots No, I used to dead eclism stats in one of my earlier essays and you see that on these dating sites about 80 percent of the women are chasing the top 20 percent of men and the bottom 80 percent of Men are chasing the bottom 20 percent of women. And if you put this into a statistical graph, you'll start to see that Okay, so if you have a belcher with the entire population and men and women all end up somewhere between five and seven would be the average sexual market value But if you have to have a minimum sexual market value to be a relationship for when you have to be seven or above That's a very small part of the distribution as about 12.3 percent or something And the beta buck sign is no longer needed because it used to be that a woman would get married to a guy Who wasn't necessarily a plus two or plus three in the sexual market value just because she needed the beta buck sign But the state takes care of that now So women would rather be single and have their shock with the top 20 percent when they're having an at anything else So you end up with something like Probably 70 percent of men are Infrequently celibate so they're celibate at times but not consistently and you have this Maybe even 20 30 40 percent of men in the end. There will be left as in cells Yeah, and that that sort of goes back to your question Anthony. Yes is open hypergamy and really open cuckoldry. Is that what's causing this right now? I think I've written a post about this. It was like part part three of the dangerous times series that I did I see us moving rapidly towards a form of polygamy right now that is not men But for the first time in history really not men who's inspiring and it's women And it's exactly what carl was just saying a minute ago is that that polygamy will be a result of exactly that That hypergamist nature of women are always looking for the bigger and the better and anyone else who happens to have sort of some Kind of utility there's going those are going to be the beta bucks guys So those are going to be the the providers that are going to Raise the kids of the guys that they had the babies with that they're going to that they're going to have Which really pisses men off? Well, it does and then I think and I get I'm just going to clarify something here Is I get called to the carpet for this quite a bit? People say well If you look at the genetic statistics or you look at the the DNA and the genomic records Well, women aren't you know cuckolding men all that much. I meant no It's because our definition of cuckoldry is not the same definition that they are trying to use They think that cuckoldry means that a woman and a man who are married The woman goes out has a kid secretly and then comes back and tells the other guy that her husband that it's his kid That is what I call Proactive proactive cuckoldry where she goes out and she does that on her own, you know on the slide, right? well Is it not true that if a woman goes and she has sex with the alpha? Guy in her party years and she has one maybe two maybe three kids with one or two other guys that she You know didn't you know she thought we're going to be around she thought would make a good father material and they're not And the guy that she meets when she's in her epiphany phase at you know 30 31 years old and she marries this guy Is that guy not now a cuckold? It's more like a cuckoldry in slow motion is what it sounds like It's retroactive Yeah, because what if you look at the what is the definition of cuckoldry? It is a man Taking the parental investment responsibilities of another man and raising that man's child And if that guy does not breed himself all he is is is a means to an end for the guy who did breed Well, ril I want to challenge something you just said a little bit So you said that she thought these alpha men are 20s or whatever where she was getting knocked up might have made good fathers And of course you realize That's subjective. So I mean it could be it could the situation could be anything really it could be an ex-husband Think about that. You marry some poor bastard to have his kids He's an alpha male two years later. You realize you won't get a job You divorce them then get you beat about the same thing Well, here's what comes to mind the hang on a second is that Hypergamy does not care and women are so entitled and arrogant at this point on a like generalized scale That I didn't even think they care at this point Uh, if they're guys didn't make a good father or not They just want to you know, in a lot of cases just want to get knocked up or whatever Or just don't even give a shit if it happens because it's gonna step in and take money Well, I've almost like I've already said that hypergamy if it's is nothing else It is always expedient and it is always pragmatic. So a woman is in her party years That's why I called this the party years and preventive medicine If she's at 22 23 24 years old, she is at her fertility peak Her hindbrain knows this her hindbrain understands that she is at her the apex of her sexual market value at that point Now Women will fight me on that and we'll say no, you know, we're we're more sexual when we're 20 or 30 I'm a well great, you know, first of all, that's bullshit. Second of all, if you think that You're not also taking into consideration That your body knows that that is your highest point of fertility I can show you the biological evidence of like the difference between a woman who is 40 years old 30 years old and 20 years old as to what their You know capacity is to carrying a child to term and I'll tell you it's a lot better when she's 22 23 24 years old So she's trying to maximize her I should say optimize her hypergamy In two different states At her peak sexual market value. She's trying to Uh, she's trying to get the best seed that she can she's trying to get the best genetic quality that she can get at that point Because remember we're talking about alpha fucks and beta bucks. Well, those are prioritized differently at different stages of a woman's life So when she's 22, she's prioritizing the alpha fucks and the alpha seed And then when she gets to be 30 years old or 29 30 31 years old She is looking to cash out of the sexual market value or sexual marketplace So what does she have to do then? Well the priorities shift then her priorities now are to find a guy who is a good provider Who is going to be you know, it's going to take care of any children that resulted from when she was in her sexual market value peak So basically dumping all over trauma on some guy. Yes. I mean there's a lot of things I mean if you read preventive medicine I go into this quite a bit Well, listen to to add to what anthony was talking about or I guess to add to what he was challenging As far as rollo was saying and and it is subjective as far as Women thinking that an alpha dude is going to be is going to be a good father But here's the thing women know enough about men to know the difference between an Good genes good dad. That's another way of saying alpha fucks beta bucks. I think I heard that from you rollo Now women know that alpha guys don't make very good dads They make great fathers genetically, but they don't make very good dads when it comes to arousal women are not rational Okay, they're not thinking right before they get on their knees and suck this guy's dick Is this guy going to make a good father? No Her her feminine hard drive is designed to consolidate on the best genes available to her at that time and the way and the way things are now is It allows her to it allows her to take that alpha seed and then sort out the details later Which means finding a beta bucks guy. So so again She wants the good gene so she can have the alpha kids and then she wants the good the good dad Obviously the I don't know obviously the guy that you know that that's not really that attractive The point is is that yeah 21 22 year old girls? Yes, they are young and dumb But they know the difference between a good father and a good dad They don't think for at least that guy right It's gonna be a good a good father perola's point though women are highly pragmatic, right But what so in that vein though in that same line of thought what consequences do they face for making dumb ass decisions at this point? What they don't they don't they face no consequences and this is why they can be even more international Yeah, exactly. I 100 That's what i'm saying when women are aroused by someone they're not being pragmatic at all It's all based on emotion and I got to take the seed. They're not thinking about the details Now they might they might start thinking about it Maybe the next morning or five minutes later when they're smoking a cigarette, but in that moment She's not thinking. Oh my god. I'm about to have a kid with this dude. No all she's thinking is I gotta fuck this guy Condom be damned. That's the instinctual side of it right there. There you go They're not it's instinct at that point. It's like when they said I've used this this before But when she sees the hot guy in the foam cannon party on spring break and can coon She's not thinking about will this guy make a great father for my kids. She's not thinking that she's thinking I want to have sex with this guy and guys do this too. Okay. I'm not gonna Of course When we'd see a hot girl, I mean when I when I first met my wife in a club I was like, yeah, I think she'd be a great wife or and she might make a really good run. I'm like, no I want a piece of that If i'm not mistaken the desire to fuck a woman fundamentally is the desire to impregnate her Your brain isn't making a distinction. It doesn't care once again And this is something I can't stress enough is that you need to understand What is the latent purpose of that particular drive? What is it? What is it forcing you to say Jordan Peterson gets out I've got all been over because of his assertion that women put on makeup to make themselves more sexually attracted The woman flipped out. They're like, why don't put it on just to you know to turn guys on like well Then why are you not that nice guy was confused? So he doesn't agree either. Why are you not putting why you're putting a lipstick on that's red that makes your You know face look flush. Why you know, why do you try to mimic sexual arousal cues on your face? They don't you want that because it's just instinct is what it comes back to that instinct But it's you know, it's it's so funny. This is one of the main differences between men and women We as men listen. We have no problem acknowledging Acknowledging the basics of being men. Well, you dislike her because she has big tits. Yes Yes, I do. Well, you dislike her because she's hot Yeah, yeah, I do. You guys are only thinking about sex. Yeah, that's true, too But tell a woman that she does something for more sexual attention. It's like, oh my god I'm so much more than that. We're not as shallow as you guys. Yes. The fuck you are You want to know something funny when they give you that all you want to miss for sexting ask them in return Well, what should I want and then you see what answer? That's a good that's good That's why I was saying Jordan Peterson studied pua with that Kathy Newman thing Like those simple pressure flips are such a great way to turn these conversations around Like well, what do you want me to like her for her clothing fashion? Not exactly like I'm supposed to be aroused by like I'm well, you know what I'm saying like what I'm thinking about Fuck you. I'm like, oh my god. I'll bet she I'll bet she does long division like a motherfucker. Oh my god So turned on by you know You know onomatopoeia and iambic pentameter in the english language. No, bitch I like the way your ass looks and that's okay. I'm good with that Just to finish up just to finish up what what you know, anthony's thought here is that Women do that. No, but I'll tell you this and we're talking about how women's instinct kicks in Uh, and they're not really thinking about things in the long term particularly when they're at their sexual market peak They're just thinking about get the seed get the seed and they're not even thinking about that They're just thinking this guy's hot and I want to have sex with him But we have Hatred to women societally since the sexual revolution so that any consequences and any negative results of that are either erased or abolished or they're shamed and blamed on men for For the the negative consequences of those particular actions. So if we have a woman who You know accidentally got pregnant and accidentally had the kid from from a guy that she met You know and spring break in the foam cannon party the guy who Steps up and mans up and takes the uh the initiative and takes over the the parenting Responsibilities of that guy that she had sex with on spring break that guy is a hero for at least a little while He's a hero because we want to make it so that paternity for these guys is not that big a deal It's better to you. You need to be a father. Well, okay The father the the positive image of a father for these guys is the guy who steps up and conveniently takes over the parental investment responsibilities Of the guy that she had had sex with Back in her party years and what that really means is so he can be weeded out of the human race Yes, and so yeah, and so what is it? Yeah, that's a good thing What's the latent purpose of that the latent purpose of convincing men that paternity shouldn't make any difference to them is to effect Oh shit, we lost them in an awesome moment Oh, wow Where did he go? You know what? Yeah, I was going to say the uh, they just uh 300 pound feminists just came crashing through rollo's window and they're dragging into one town. I'm on that right now Rollo, welcome back. I was do not tell you what I wish a 300 pound feminist would walk through my fucking door Oh my god Let's let's get back to the incel thing. I know that was going to be one of our topics here today But I think that what what anthony was talking about is yes will open hypergamy and open cuckoldry be a a motivator an impetus for For more and more in cells. Yes, I think so that's person. That's part of it. The other part of it is that guys Uh, you know red pill guys are even these guys who don't even you know, it stills don't necessarily have to be uh Educated by by the red pill. I mean that's one thing about open hypergamy is is that it is already educating these guys It's women who are going to educate guys in, you know, their own sexual strategies more than anything else because they're proudly wanting it in commercials Popular media and songs and you name it and I can point out every time at least Three times four times a week. I point out, you know instances of open hypergamy So, yeah, these guys are going to see that and they're still playing by the old set of rules They're still playing by the old rule books and the old social contracts And they do that if they build themselves up and do exactly what trad con guys like Like matt walsh and the rest of these guys who are and you know, jordan b. Peterson. They're standing up They're they're you know, got their shoulders back and they're making their beds. Where's the pussy? Where's the pussy? The pussy's not here. How come I pussy? I got my I got my lobster. I got I made my bed. Why isn't there a vagina in it? The vagina in it. They're supposed to find me more attractive, right? No, no They're not going to and there's a whole lot more to it than just that But when you're when you have asperger's syndrome and when you're one of these guys who is one of these quote-unquote lost boys And you want to I mean they They might not necessarily say here's the 12 the 12 steps to get laid But here's the 12 steps to uh be a better person Well, it's strongly alluded to the back of their heads are thinking well if i'm a better person then that makes That means i'm gonna have a better chance I'm not owed it, but there's a better chance that I might get laid Well, what really what comes to mind when I was bringing up that that issue and that question the challenge Is that uh, like carls talked about in his blog He's looking the stats on it pretty well, and I believe he's right I think like 20 or a little bit over 20 of the population has a diagnosable mental illness But only one side of the population males are being told they're toxic violent demonic pieces of shit So if 20 1 out of 5 men has a diagnosable mental health condition You're telling those same males are being told aggressively all this open epigamy open cut coldry Men are toxic pieces of violent shit constantly through every fucking channel available. It's media. It's in the movies It's in the newspapers. It's on cnn or whatever the fuck So it's this is it really that surprising these these guys that have asperger syndrome or whatever the fuck else They go they go postal like That's what the dog enough when he's down. He's eventually gonna bite you. That's right. Exactly. Exactly Listen, and this is this is a simple solution People say oh my god. Why are men walking into buildings and shooting people up? Well, there are a lot of reasons and it's a confluence of events And women don't forget youtube hq and well, okay um Yeah, that seemed odd dumb or whatever her name is there'll be more The point is is that it all starts from marginalizing males from birth when and it's it's actually started I don't know probably started when I was gonna be and i'll be 41 Uh this summer so and I don't I don't remember this happening too much when I was a kid but The way it is now is males are marginalized from birth We are told we are told this and girl little girls are told that there is something inherently wrong with males You know little jimmy over there is jumping up and down. He wants to go outside He's running around all the time. So we put him on ritalin because there's something wrong with him um You know something is wrong with masculine Characteristics so they you know they dope him up and then he's you know pretty much a zombie for the rest of his life You when when you marginalize men in this way when you tell men just like ryan said you beat a dog long enough Eventually he is going to bite Men are being told that they ain't shit their whole lives man And this is there's nothing psychological about this a lot of these guys are just pissed off I'm tired of living in a world where where men are the trailblazers. We build buildings. We invent iPhones We do everything to make life convenient for everyone including women and all we're getting from women is a collective fuck you These guys are dude. These guys are pissed off We're constantly told that we're bad women are good. That's I think that's the simple answer Guys I want to pause I want to pause real quick and make an announcement that I almost forgot But it's very important and I think I can wait till rollo gets in town to actually do it So the other day we sent out to alumni of the 21 convention that tickets are going on sale for alumni who don't have a ticket yet However, some alumni bought at the event last year in october uh, september in october One of them however says he's not going to make the event and he wants to actually raffle off Or give away his ticket to someone who who deserves it So we're actually going to do and maybe enroll us here in town in orlando's raffle off that ticket that he bought to the event That he doesn't even want to refund on he just wants me to give it to somebody So what you can do if you want to be uh into that raffle is join the uh events vip list at the 21 convention dot org That's the 21 convention dot org not dot com And we raffle that off at some point later this month Uh, maybe enroll it gets in town. We're here in studio. Hey, do we have a um, do we have a list of speakers yet? I mean that you can make public. I can share privately with you. Yeah, otherwise We want to do it yet. No, no, not yet. Well, you'll be their role of course to myself and ryan I believe waiting ryan on these appending But we have over 15 speakers confirmed and all those details go out on may 17th to the world Uh early grades go on sale may 17. Yep. I'm going. I'll be there too. Okay, donovan. Yeah, that's right Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we're trying to get carl or two. We're working on kidnapping them So working on it. Listen, I've got the notice from a black trunk out there, man I'm ready when you are let's do it I very much like to get tape there to not to not necessarily speak but just to have them there will be kind of cool either one I'm very open to it. Yeah. I just want to see that ad lock. He's got for his brother Listen, we're getting some um, I don't I don't I don't know if we want to take this direction here But we're getting some very interesting questions All right from a guy named benjamin darlin He actually asked quite a few questions and it would lead me to believe that he might still be in the anger Fage the first one says and this is right down the middle on three and one to to massy here He says I understand That women love opportunistically, but can you explain how men love idealistically? Then he asks now, this is a good one Does living the red pill life conflict with love? I can't seem to fall in love with a woman because I no longer idealize any of them Okay, now I'll lead off and just answer that second one there Living the red pill life means you have to come to uh, you have to Come to grips with hard and vast truths I wrote an article on returning kings years ago called three unintended consequences of taking the red pill and digesting it And one of those unintended consequences is you don't really like girls as much when you digest the red pill And you actually see women for what they really are. They're just not as awe inspiring in there No, that doesn't mean you're not going to want to fuck pretty girls like we're men This is what we're designed to do but they don't seem to have that mystical aura around them that they used to And I think what benjamin Benjamin thinks that you have to like you have to have that feeling or the one to fall in love with a woman Love is weird like men and women. We love very differently But if you have red pill awareness It it does allow you to see women for what they are does it make it harder for you to fall in love? I would say yeah, let's say you say shoot Yeah, right. It's you're your loyalty as a man back in the day used to be you were going to kill a fucker over like because of her now When he's talking about I don't feel in love. Well, that's good. Don't be fucking giving it away. Don't be a emotion whore. What do they call it? No, no, no, listen Yeah, it's essentially your life and you shouldn't be giving it away. They should have to Cry that shit out of you Listen, this is listen. This is a slut stud debate Why are girls who sleep with a lot of guy sluts and guys who sleep with a lot of women? Studs here's the thing women and rollo you you actually you actually pointed this out Men are the gatekeepers to commitment and women are the gatekeepers to sex, right? The reason for that it's it's almost like a dichotomy What what do men want more than anything? We want sex. What do women want more than anything? They want commitment a woman who gives away sex freely and easily She is a slut because she is giving away what she's the gatekeeper to Men should have to work a little bit harder to fuck her but they don't so she's Hang on this changes this changes to the time per month. I mean, she doesn't give a fuck about commitment if she's ovulating She wants absolutely she's in off the seed mode. Plus. I think role does some updating on these things Well, it's not so much me. It's like I um, I understand what you're saying and and yes to a degree I I believe that is true particularly Well, just to finish Okay, good Just just to finish my thought a male version of a horror or a male version of a slut is a man Not who sleeps with a lot of women, but a man who gives away his commitment to freely So if you take a girl out and you fuck her on the first date, okay She might be fun to have around for a little while But she's not going to be the mother of my kids because my cock was in her mouth an hour and a half After I picked her up same with a guy if a guy takes a girl out on a date and at the end of the day He says well stacey I would like for you to meet my parents. I'd like for you to meet my girlfriend. Guess what? He is unattractive. He is a male version of a slut because he is giving away what he is the gatekeeper to Yeah, if she hasn't earned it It's equivalent of some grandmother telling her kid keep your dime between your knees like your mama told you This is the guy equivalent to that Well, it comes to give it away Don't get all stupid in the head over a girl until you know and the only way you know is by having it proven to you And it's hard to get and it's very few opportunities So you're going to be waiting and that's a good thing There's a couple of a couple of things to remember about this, okay One of the things is yes, you're right You're a hundred percent right particularly when it comes to giving and giving it away because when anything is cheap It loses value When your attention is easy to get when a woman doesn't have to work for it when you're not a mystery You know when you're not making her work for your attention that attention becomes worthless You have to be someone that she has a challenge. In fact, I think it is honestly I think it is insulting for women If you lay everything on the table and your your life is an open book to them And you're you're what they call, you know, you're an onion You know, they won't peel you away layer by layer because that there's nothing more Satisfying to a woman than to think that she has figured out a guy using her feminine intuition and They want to feel as if they have some sort of You know some it was some sense of accomplishment to be with a guy who Really Is above them in sexual market value. I mean that's that's just the nature of hypergamy They want somebody at or above there and really above their sexual market value They want a better deal than what they really are deserving of and the way that they get that is that you have to be that challenge So yes, when you give that away and a lot of a lot of beta guys really do this because they they'll go to They'll go on a date and they'll just vomit out all of their life's history On the restaurant table and say i'm this and i'm that and my mom did this and when I was 10 and I when I was 14 I did this my dad You know, this is just constant like catching you up because they think First of all, they think that comfort is associated with sexuality They think that if I can just get her to the comfort phase Then I'll be good. I'll be fine. You know, then we can have sex because a woman always wants to be comfortable with a guy Well, no the I mean any pickup artist will tell you that it is anxiety and it is urgency That's why they call it sexual tension because there's anxiety involved. There's urgency and they want to fuck They want to they don't want to They don't want to find out every they don't want to they don't want to have a family member Sitting across the table from them They want to have somebody that they are interested in sexually and if you go and you make yourself so familiar Familiarity and comfort and rapport are anti seductive That's right And so when you do that you you give that away and just you're talking about this in the longer term right now where If you go give away your if you want to be exclusive like after the first day They're like, okay, we're boys boyfriend and girlfriend You're you're first of all you're shooting yourself in the foot and second of all you're insulting that woman by Not giving her something to unwrap You're not giving her the present to keep unwrapping and to keep figuring out and You know after a while there's going to be that familiarity anyways, why would you want to do that? Well, most guys are uncomfortable with that. They're uncomfortable with the anxiety They're uncomfortable with the fact that they have to Create some sort of sexual tension because they never they don't know what to do with that unless they've got some Sort of understanding when it comes to like pickup artistry They understand the game a little bit better and they understand how to use that to their advantage Most guys don't want that they want to just say okay We're a boyfriend and girlfriend now and let's you know, we're exclusive and you know These are the the guys who become serial monogamists most guys most beta men are serial monogamists And that's how they date now to get to the just we're real quick to get to the first part of this question One which I really wanted to talk about which is uh idealism, how can guys How can I say that guys love idealistically? Well, you have to understand that the different the fundamental differences between men and women women are Really more concerned with people. They're more concerned with themselves. They're they tend to look inward men are more Focused on things and this is like i'm not making this shit up. Okay. This is this is like straight out of steven pinker. Okay Men are more Focused on the outside world. They want us they want to think about the possibilities of things that could come Women on the other hand tend to look inward. They tend to be more introspective as opposed to you know Self-important really is introspective this might put they really see how does this outside world? affect me whereas men think how can I affect the outside world and Like again, like I said, this is straight out of uh, like blank slate, uh, steven pinker stuff But What that does is it leads to an innate sense of idealism in men They want to believe in what could be and that can be anything that could be anything from Uh, you know trying to put a man on the moon. Can we can't we do it? Is it possible? Well, why would you want to do that because it's there? Why why do I want to exactly? Because it's there because i'm interested in the outside world and I have a great post I will refer you just to make this as brief as possible a great good post called idealism You'll find it and the reason I i'm bringing this up is because the the lead in picture is a picture of a Couple and they both have cameras and the guy has a camera And he's looking out and taking a picture of the world and the woman is laying down on this like a picnic bracket And she's got the the camera faced at herself And she's going to take a picture like a selfie of herself while he's looking out I always thought that that is like the epitome of the difference between men's idealism and women's solipsism It's iconic people think that that's necessarily a negative I'll say well, we are the race we are today We're the species we are today because women are solipsistic because they are hyperkinets in more recent times That has been turned to a real negative. I think a real social negative, but it's not always the case So to say that a woman is solipsistic, you know, it's hard to not make that sound like it's negative today But women have to be they have to be solipsistic They have to be self-concerned because that's what preserved themselves and their children in our evolutionary past Yeah, they don't have those bear killing skills like we had right and men had to be focused on the outside world as to What can be in order to facilitate the species and to You know to keep a survive, you know keep the survival going Keep a roof over our heads to have all the things that we just you know this freaking computer You know everything that we we take for granted today is because men have this innate sense of looking outward And being more focused on things where women are more focused on themselves and they're more focused on people That's why that's why they have facility with communication whereas guys have a more Facility with spatial things like spatial understanding Yeah, I want to make it clear too and clarify that you're saying these things you're but you're basically engaging in critical thinking about women But in doing so the environment is so hostile that everything you just said is instantly You know considered to be like misogyny and should like that like Everything I everything I could possibly say anything that I could say about the nature of women is always going to be If it's coming from a guy, it's always going to be considered negative if I instantly and automatically Yes, right I can say the most like I can say the most flattering thing about when I say, you know Like I think one of the most flattering parts about women's nature Is their innate ability or the innate facility or predisposition with communication? They they they understand subcommunication so much But that's one of the first things that they teach you if you're going to learn to pick up girls If you're going if you're going to pick apart They want you to understand that women have a far far greater capacity to understand your sub communications And to use that to your advantage now that you know guys have to constantly think about that because it's just it's not like Our natural predisposition to be that way, but once we know about that we can You know train our instincts to to really be more about subcommunication I think it's very flattering about women and women will go. Yeah, of course We're all like that women are all like that. We all have a facility We all have an innate ability like that. They're they're all about a wall of that That's you know, you know what women are hyperchemists and they are also solipsistic What the fuck are you talking about in you know, and then they then they want to get all upset about that They don't want to accept the that's one of the reasons I say that there is no such thing as a red pill woman because they're happy to accept the parts of the red pill awareness That are is complementary to their egos and it's complementary to their solipsism It's complementary to creating the kind of guy that they think that they want to be involved with in the long term But they reject a wholesale everything that is Oh, damn it. We lost him again Right at that key moment He's fighting off those he's fighting off those those fat feminists man I think maybe google because I've dropped off twice too. So yeah, I saw you drop off Maybe they're finally trying to stick it to you about a little more subtle They could put us on a blacklist, but they I love that, uh, you know, we have trump in office I mean it makes it hard for them to focus on people like us Well, welcome back. Anyway, sorry Yeah, whatever you said the last word got cut off. You're actually I was just gonna say that, you know, um most purple pill guys pander to that side of Uh, women who quote-unquote want to be red pill and they these guys are the the dudes that want to create these perfect little purple pill guys who only accept the Flattering side of women's natures and completely reject everything that doesn't and they think that that is going to Well, of course, they build business. You can build a business around that pipe. You know Many men do trust me. Anyway, that that's my that's my very brief Uh Outlook on idealism Let's uh, let's actually pause here after now that I wrapped up Let's focus on an important social issue that just happened The Boy Scouts of America, I believe are no longer called the Boy Scouts They've been assimilated into the feminist feminist Borg Uh, let's talk about that a little bit the destruction Basically the fundamental destruction of a hundred year long, uh, American organization for boys Carl, it's been a while man. What do you got on it? Yeah, let's yeah, let's do it Carl's like Eliminating another male space It's just one of those things where Anytime men get together men have conversations such as the ones we're having and that's a threat to women Because the one of the things I've noticed with guys to are Are not are always putting other men ahead of the women in their life Not necessarily if it's a wife relationship at that point a wife or daughter or something like that You're gonna have to adjust but uh, I have a friend of mine for instance who got a new girlfriend and turns out the girl doesn't Must known for 20 years and the girl's like I want us to stop hanging out with the With him carly mista part of part of what you just said. Can you repeat that? Yeah, I have a friend Told him that you know, I don't really like this one friend of yours and they'd been together for about a year I think at that point and She said point blank I want you to stop hanging out with him and I don't want him to hang out with us anymore And he turned around and he said nope. I've known him for 20 years I've known you for a year and a half. You can get the hell out of my house good good And that shows they're loyal to the men of their group first and then to the women and I think that's an important factor in male life because if you're Women that will be the guy who would sneak away from the hunting trek to go for the mammoth to hang out with some chicken Okay, and you can't really trust that guy and by hanging out you need to be her emotional tampon in the cave Yeah, definitely, I was gonna say I I got into I got into this topic with with pat cambell on friday and I saw this coming because this is just one more aspect Of again invading male space and people say well, you're you're upset because women are getting coming into male space and And you uh, you're you're losing your power. So So that's why yeah now we have to solve listen. We're upset because now we have to sell boy scout cook Yeah, exactly. I'm first of all. Yeah, that's true. I mean it's like yeah guys are You know, we have we've had male spaces for so long that women well in this day and age women Automatically presume that any gathering of men is sexist any guys that get together That's why I made this comparison as well on pat show If you look at harvard right now, they have just banned any all male Organizations that are gender exclusive just two males on that on that campus right now However, there are several and still, uh, you know school-wide supported All female organizations on harvard and that's still okay And what you're seeing is you're seeing this demonization of men collecting together to talk about whatever It doesn't need necessarily have to be some sort of red pill thing like something like the 21 convention Where all these guys are getting together and we're talking about things we're having we're we're comparing notes This is that something like that will be considered endemically sexist to To the hemisphere to that side, you know that the post-modernist kind of way of thinking And the reason for that is because they need to cut off communication between men They need to make it shameful for men to even want to all get together and have an all male group And so How do they do that? First of all, they remove the man And we can talk about that a little bit too and I talked about this as well Is when you remove boy from the name boy scouts, you are not just you we want to be gender inclusive No, you are removing men. You're moving the male aspect of that group out of that group So when you go and you create these laws to have gender neutral language in You know in government or in campus bylaws or in and really anything You're pulling the just the three letters man out of the english language. So it's no longer fire man It's fire person You are removing the male aspect out of that Why is it just that if we were really going to work if we're going to do that And we're going to also have to take out the words fire woman or whatever woman if you take out, you know, I'm sure there's probably Congress person Congress person Fuck out of here man. We want those things to we want want some gender neutrality. They're not they do not want gender neutrality What is girl? And the reason for that is because it is it is Oh, shit. Oh god damn it Dude when rollo gets rolling man. Well, listen I'll take over listen this just like you said this is um This is another example one of many females invading male space But here's the thing if there were no such things as boy scouts, guess what there probably wouldn't be any such thing as girl scouts Men and it's so funny men women constantly talk about how many shit and where this and that and the other Yet, they continuously try to They try to mimic us They want to do everything that we're doing take the sport of football for example All of a sudden we now have all of these die hard female football fans No, y'all bitches don't like football you like football because we like football now you got women playing fantasy football I talked to one girl. I was dating. Yes. Listen So I was talking one girl I was dating in Vegas says. Oh, I just love fantasy football I said no you like the fact that you're the only girl in your league. No, it's not I like no no I said one say we'll tell you what would you like to be in a fantasy football league with all women? well Exactly, it's the male attention Well, I think it's exactly like roller says too that men getting together exclusively is a threat to female power And they're in the process of a giant power reversal listen Listen to add on to what you just said Women are afraid of men talking to each other because they know that they'll figure them out Ruth's tried to organize a meetup back in february of 15 that got shut down, right? Here's the thing man. The red pill has completely deconstructed women. We know who women are we know what they what they are We're not impressed anymore, right? Women want to keep this air They want to keep this air of mystery and aura and mystical and oh if you want to figure out a woman You got to read a book this big no women are simple fucking creatures, man And they know they're simple one guy remember reading something that a woman is a sphinx with no secrets Women are basic ass bitches and they know they're basic ass bitches And they know that if men get together and start figuring shit out they're gonna be start They're gonna they're gonna lose the they're gonna lose the ability to stop being treated like queens and princesses And being treated like the basic ass fucking bitches. They are that's what they're afraid of Yep Well, it's just it's like what happened before with hypergamy hypergamy used to be a secret It used to be something that women wanted to keep under the hat They didn't want guys to understand that like when I my my most famous story I guess is this guy whose girlfriend found the rational male and started reading my book and thought she was gonna flip out She said everything in this book is true, but you shouldn't know it That was the first thing in her mouth. You should not know this and They don't want them. They don't want the playing field to be level women Want to have that event they do but here's the thing is that in an age of open hypergamy where they are Openly embracing their sexual strategy and openly Broadcasting it to the world like I said on all forms of media on, you know, every every cultural outlet that they can possibly get it out on uh, it's You can only take that with a grain of salt for so long because they are the ones that are waking guys up just as much as A red pill is right now and you know, maybe a guy sort of fundamentally rudimentary Gets it and then he finds the red pill and he goes all the way over. Okay. That's I get that but women themselves are contributing to You know, making this not a secret anymore. That's why I wrote open hypergamy and really open cuckoldry as well because that's the next follow-up Before we move off the Boy Scouts topic anybody have comments on the absolute Tratcon beta cucks and the Boy Scouts who enabled the ship to happen I mean, obviously it had a leadership of some sort of hierarchy and I'm not super familiar with it But that's the thing. Yeah, it's somebody eventually has to approve it now I've heard I talked with uh tanner who's a Mormon red pill guy You guys know tanner goosey and he was saying that the Mormons used to have that as part of their Boyhood to manhood program is joining the scouts. I guess once they pulled it They had such low Investment in it because it's been kind of slowly going downhill. There's a couple troop leaders that were diddling the boys and Basically guys weren't running it properly and now that they lost the Mormons They couldn't find anybody and so that's when the girl could then the girls were like, yeah Bring girls into this thing and then it became a more appealing message so Yes, women are doing like you said they want to invade male spaces. They like the attention that kind of stuff but it's also That men are failing and they're the women certain types of women are jumping on that opportunity So I'm not saying this to say there's blame involved But it's kind of a message to guys that You're not supposed to slip and when you slip things happen And it kind of carries over into everything like even like a marriage if you can't slip Rolo can't just be super comfortable and Blah barked out his day to his wife all day He has to have some mystery still if he slacks then she's gonna start bringing the girls into the Boy Scouts I should almost be a meme by the way for a guy losing his marriage Bring in the girls Done Also consider that the the Boy Scouts are a dying breed right now They have had financial troubles and they have had a substantial decline in membership for the last decade or so and really I see that as one more result of What's been going on culturally? You know when it comes to feminizing The world you go and you look at the Girl Scouts the Girl Scouts have also had a switch although they're their Membership hasn't dropped but the impetus and again the latent purpose of the Girl Scouts is to teach these pro-feminist Fempowerment narrative Ideas to little girls now. I'm not saying that's it's inherently bad or good We're just saying that we're trying to feminize boys and we're trying to masculinize girls and the the Girl Scouts of America are very effective at masculinizing Girls well boys don't want to have anything to do with the Boy Scouts these days because either their families don't I don't find the values that they have all that great or You know again, it's it's evidence of sort of you know, I want to say a moral decay But it's definitely a lack of interest and the values that the Boy Scouts represent And I think that when you see how they let and they allow You know openly gay scout leaders and openly gay scouts into that I see a lot What was it? Pat Campbell was talking about this too that there's a lot of churches that Used to you allow their facilities to be used for the Boy Scouts and will not allow that anymore So they can't use the the church facilities because they don't align with The religious beliefs of that particular church anymore. So you see this constant drop. So what what can What can the Boy Scouts do? Well, they think the most obvious thing is to allow girls into the Boy Scouts They did that great. Okay, fine. You got you taken care of that Maybe you're gonna see a little increase in membership because The boys that are there they can you know, the parents can bring the girls there If you can convince the girls to do that we'll see what happens, but it still does not It still does not justify removing the boy removing the male removing the man from the name Well, my opinion what they just did was sign their own death note for the organization It's like the Boy Scouts is going away. It's it's going on. It's because they could have gone full trump and told the Feminist to go fuck themselves instead They decided to opt you know co-opt of the woman wanted and now they destroy themselves Yeah, if they would have stayed true to their values if they would have stayed true To all I was gonna say I was talking about this with with pat as well I will guarantee you that they will Reduce or or lessen the The the needs and the prerequisites to get like merit badges and to it will drop the The requirements of certain things for girls And they will compromise really the achievement side of being like say an eagle scout or something like that And they will it's very similar to what's going on in the u.s. Military Where we want we want women to be in caught, you know, we we're only interested in equality of outcome So we want to reduce the ability or reduce the requirements for women to be take active combat roles Well, that they don't care if they're going to endanger the lives of other men They're just going to do that because they want to see equality of outcome. Well, here's a here's the question The same thing in the Boy Scouts here's a question gentleman How long until these co-ed Boy Scout Girl Scout, you know all in the the new scout program Before they started fucking at 15 years old and stuff Before it was an all it was an all male, you know, it's an all male space now It's not now they're going to start fucking team pregnancy falls rape accusations all that shit now is on Oh, man, the first me to Boy Scout. Holy shit. That's going to be hilarious. Yeah, that's weeks or months away That's weeks or months away at this point team pregnancy I was I was just talking about that with Goldman just before we came on I was like, you know what the one of the reasons that we have we want this inclusivity Or we want these, you know, we want to make it so that men are forced To go into co-ed groupings and co-ed situations while women can have their own sexual exclusive exclusive Organizations. Well, men cannot the one of the reasons for that is because exactly what you said It puts the opportunity to keep men under control. I said this in uh in my male space post They want overseers in the locker room. They want a woman to be there to make sure that the boys Art boys, she wants to they want to make sure that there is some supervision In that boys otherwise would be a boys club. They want that female supervision in there So there isn't any wrong think they don't they want them to think anything and then also just what you're saying there's an opportunity to exploit the guys who would Try to find some sort of power in that or find some sort of authority in that So there's always like I said the holding. Oh, yeah, the sort of Damocles is is me too now Yep, really? I got your girl scout cookies right here Hey, we want to get to some questions. I'm serious man that listen that's really gonna be a problem You're gonna have boy scouts fucking girl scouts and all of a sudden we got we got 12 and 13 Oh, how could this happen you fucking bitches wanted to make girls boys and boys girls. So that's what happens I just got a question over text from one of the viewers who texted in a question He said I've recently noticed particularly how there are way more male feminists and female supporters of masculine men Oh, yeah, I've also seen a lot of women claiming men can't advise on women's issues because they don't get it But I'll try to do the same with male spaces. So it's the standard doublespeak course His question is How much of this would be attributed to the points made in rollo's empathy essay Where men are more likely to sympathize with another's blight in attempt to aid in its fight Whereas a solipsistic nature of females tends to dismiss other people's issues Listen, uh, that's pussy the reason why there are male feminists is because male feminists think that be Think that by becoming a male feminist that they are going to get the pussy and it never works out that way Well, this is very specific to rollo's empathy essay too made a game is what that is. Well, that's that's the source of the empathy Yeah, well, I'm empathy the you have to separate the difference between sympathy and empathy Okay, it's it's one thing to be sympathetic. I can be if you know, I can be sympathetic to You know I can be sympathetic with a dog. Okay, I can be sympathetic with with people I can sort of be there. It's where you know sympathize with them But I can't feel their actual pain and that's really what empathy is is you have a shared experience There's a there's a qualitative difference between sympathy and empathy and I don't think that Most people really understand the difference between the two Empathy is something that we presume that women have some supernatural ability for Yes and no they they can be and we we like to think that they have this because like we were talking about before Women have sort of natural predispositions and one of those is a better ability to communicate and to understand sub communications and to You know to interact remember like I said, they're more in in Invested and interested in people whereas men are more interested in things So because of that we think that well men, they're not empathetic No, you can be empathetic as well But we think of women as being more empathetic than men Because they're mothers and because they may have to have that nurturing aspect of them I will tell you right now that just because men don't have that predisposition does not necessarily mean that they aren't You know empathetic people to begin with so I think that that needs to be cleared out up first. The other thing is that women are only empathetic with with people Who deserve their empathy and who are In some way Integral to their own solipsism So they'll be empathetic with our kids because their kids are An extension of themselves where it's like a wife and a mother will be much more empathetic with the children than she would be with a guy With with the the husband because that guy needs to toughen up that guy needs to provide security And if she's too busy You know consoling him or being empathetic with that guy That is a hit against his competency and women are always looking for competent men That's I mean it's a dna evolved aspect of women they seek A universal competency in men and if a guy needs empathy if the guy is vulnerable vulnerable vulnerability is not A strength that is a definite the definition of vulnerability is that it is weakness And you can go into your transvaluation bullshit All you want the fact of the matter is is vulnerability is a weakness And if you think that vulnerability is something that's going to Endear you to your wife The only reason that could possibly happen is if she already sees you as a super strong alpha Guy who whose nature it is not to be vulnerable So when he is vulnerable then she appreciates that and again this also goes back to what we're talking about before when we have Women want to figure you out. They want to think that their instinct is what's figuring you out It sounds like a psychological candy to them is what it sounds like Exactly is what it is. That's what we call chicken wreck. Yeah chicken wreck So we got we have two questions here from uh ryanism rule zero dad I've seen him on the red pill subreddit his first question from rule zero dad for the whole panel I see the majority of inaction for men being based on a fear of rejection How should a man new to the red pill or game push through the self sabotage and thinness of skin To gain abundance mentality P. S. Self-improvement is masturbation This will go Well, I was gonna say this is I think Carlos alluded to this earlier. It's blunt force trauma The the way to the way to conquer any fear is to meet that fear head on if you're afraid of heights go skydiving 10 times Okay, if you're so if you're afraid of approaching women Listen, you're gonna have to do it until you're you don't feel that anxiety anymore I don't know if anyone has seen the movie bloodsport. Uh, the worst actor in in movie history Jean-Claude van gam his uh Don't forget the feminist man Well, well, there you go But I remember his opponent tiger tong po was kicking a palm tree with a shin And one of the guys says why is he doing that doesn't that hurt? And he says no he does that to deaden the nerves and to make his to make his leg numb So he can throw that shin at somebody at the side of somebody's head with impunity with with bad intentions This is what you have to do and it's listen. I've listened. I've been through this phase Cutting through approach anxiety. It is not easy. It's the same as building your body up You have to put stress on the body to build the body up So if you want to kill approaching anxiety, you got to put stress on the mind's body Approach as many girls as you can dude get rejected as many times as you can and before a long man It's good. It's not going to be a big deal going up and talking to pretty girls Just for the hell of it because you want to fuck them. It's not going to be a second thought because oh, well I've been rejected like that five different times Brian I look I like carlo's answer on this, but I'll have a slightly different one. I don't think I've actually mentioned it before What worked for me was a hectic sailing schedule So when you're and we would sail about 180 190 days a year So that's half the year we were out two weeks in for two weeks out for three months in for a weekend that kind of thing And it's pretty much impossible to give a fuck about rejection when like seven o'clock the next morning We got sailors to head out to san francisco or something so I don't know how To give that advice to somebody who's on a STEM job somewhere working and sleeping in his bed every night but if you can find a way to be so busy that Your amount of time playing pickup Is really constrained. I find that really works because then rejection isn't a factor time is a factor So if you can find a way to make some other part of the equation The bottleneck and not the rejection part. I think that would go a long way I think yeah, yeah, your passions need to become the other woman Your your interest your ambitions that needs to become the other woman That means to become something that a woman needs to to compete And rollo is another way of saying that your passions become your legitimate number one priority Yeah, what's the thing for a guy who doesn't have any I don't know if he knows entirely what that means And so that's why I want to make sure like if you're busy to the point that okay I can go out tonight, but I got to be back. I have two hours Yeah, you're like a little sense of urgency Yeah, two hours is no longer a rejection window. That's a window where she rejects you you're like, all right I gotta go. I've got like an hour and a half left. I've had right sex with girls where I was watching the clock because I had a duty Watching like an hour and a half and I'm calculating like the distance. I had to get back to work What was it like the three-second rule if you don't hit on the girl in three seconds, don't do it Like that's right. Listen. Listen it went listen There's always that seminal moment when you make eye talk when you make eye contact with a girl And you hold that eye contact for two to three seconds, dude You must approach her right away because if you don't you've already fit You've already you've already failed the shit test that she didn't deploy I'm attracted to him and he's attracted to me, but he doesn't have the balls to come over and talk to me Next guy We try to put your behavior in the class of men. She doesn't fuck. I'll let carl go carl. Go ahead. Yeah, there we go Now I think one of the major problems we have is that men are not accustomed to pain anymore It's one of the interesting things I discovered when I was reading through all these different rituals of how men became boys became men in various societies is like The Spartans threw them into a cliffside and you know, okay, you have to survive out here for about a week Will dead or not and Give her take 10 days Some tribe in South America. They put them out in the middle of an anthill And they're basically eaten alive by ants for an entire night and I think Oh Most men have never actually put themselves into a situation where they're uncomfortable Well, really uncomfortable. I mean we say about women all the time that women are never uncomfortable They're the most pampered they've ever been but so are the fucking men. I mean most Most of the guys I meet and especially guys in STEM. They're Well, they have extremely soft hands. Let's put it like that. They've never done anything They've never done anything that was Physically challenging they've challenged their minds to sometimes examples But they're just completely disconnected from physical reality Yeah, there's no more rites of passage anymore, right? Like like I remember I think I talked about this I think I had Rola on where down in some South American country to become a man You had to put your hand in the sleeve of bullet ants and to do this 20 times like over a 40 day period There's no rights. There's no right of passage anymore And and so boys are going out into the world being, you know, completely Afraid to do much of anything. So when they see a girl they're attracted to they're like, eh Well, we all what what else do we do though? I mean we again, we're we accuse guys who We accuse them of extending their adolescence if they're still like these boy men when they're 28 or 29 30 years old if they haven't Prepared themselves to be the perfect husband and wife and this perfect beta provider by the time a woman is hitting her epiphany phase And she's done with the party, you know, she's following the sandberg game form a pan of hypergamy where she's Done dating all of her bad boys and commitment phobic boys And now she wants the stable nice guy who's still going to be her equal, of course, right? And sure those guys Don't they again, they've never gone through that right of manhood They don't even they're uncomfortable calling themselves a man like even referring to themselves as as a man and I think that it's interesting because we have We we've erased all of these rites of passage but in a sense we have given the authority of Manhood like bestowing manhood on a man To women and so the better you are at being this perfect servant and the better you are at supplicating and the better you are at putting women on a pedestal That qualifies you to be called a man by women. And that's I think we've replaced this this old ritualistic You know rites of passage to go, you know, I got bar mitzvah or something like that We've replaced all of that to you know with this uncertainty and this blurring of what masculinity really is and it's all subjective But yet still we hand off the ability to To be called a man To women right now And the only way that you can be called a man is if you do what they say is if you do if you fulfill their Hypergamy if you fulfill their sexual strategy if you fulfill their life strategy And you're in the right guy at the right time Then maybe you can be called a man and they'll even laugh at you if you call yourself a man as it is But we've given them the authority and I really think that we need to take that back We really want to I think even hunters is doing this right now with And hunter and craig craig james are doing this with you know, they're they're these challenges and stuff And in a way it's kind of like it's kind of schmaltzy But then in another way I understand it and I get it because you need to as a man put yourself into these difficult situations Because most kids these days don't even have to change a fucking tire Well, I'm saying too is exactly in line with jack donovan's thinking from the way of men and books like that And starting his own tribe. I really and people think that's that's weird or he's like, uh He's a white supremacist or there's something really wrong with this guy. He's just you know the satanist tribalist guy and it's like Yeah, but look what he's doing. What is his action? What is he doing? You know, bro, look at a ping this one off of you. I'm kind of curious too I was thinking about you were talking about the hardship and we don't have it anymore Think about the the current like the bad boy alpha males the rock star Ripping up his 20s the thug those guys are seen as like a good alpha specimen now I wonder if that is being used as a proxy Or what you guys would think of as like a positive writer passage. Yeah Because when you think about it when you talk to guys who are like thugs from the hood They don't they don't exactly say like I take cold showers. They they have hard lives Yeah, and they are living that quarry worthington lifestyle. Yeah, add a necessity A lot of more is written about this too. I believe yep. Yes. Yes. Yes. He has like I don't know Maybe it's just me being crazy But I can see kind of a connection there with the lack of a writer passage for a positive Beta male to find a way to get his alpha qualities up But for the degenerate type of alpha male opportunities have never been further Right, and if you try to take that back they call you insecure in your manhood You'll notice that they will they will do every every day the post. Yeah, the post Yeah, you live with your mom. Oh, who hurt you? But it's like all if you try to take that back just me suggesting We need to take that back just me saying, you know what? We need to have We need to have some sort of ritual we need to have I I think honestly And I've suggested this on my my own side is that I think that once you become red pill aware There needs to be a writer passage There needs to be a point of demarcation between your old blue pill life and you becoming red pill aware and Going your own way but doing your doing something different with a new knowledge of You know cutting yourself away from that old blue pill conditioning and I have an idea your own mental point Listen, I have an idea you I have an idea You you strap a bomb to him, right? Give him 12 hours drop him in las vegas So you got 12 hours to get laid or you're going bye-bye. Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna suggest it is a 10 to 21 convention rather than get blown up, but you know, okay, that's a better idea I'm a little biased It's like we we we teach kids these days I mean we're Women and what I call the village has to get to these boys younger and younger and younger Another reason why the boy scouts is no longer the boy scouts anymore. They're the soy scouts But That we've taught boys Well, actually we haven't taught boys About conventional masculinity to the point that anything that would sound like a ritual that would sound like a right of passage Would be indistinguishable from hazing or from There you go Everything's gonna seem like that anything I could suggest where it's like you got to toughen up You got to take a hit in the chest or you I mean there's hazing rituals in the military in fraternities In god knows what other all males The all males that are still leaving has a negative connotation if we call these things a right of passage Well, yeah, that's what it's called now. They used to be called a right of passage But because the alpha side fraternity, you know stuck a stuck a paddle of some kid's ass He went, you know, and you know, somebody ends up getting killed because he was too drunk now hazing is a problem And that's let me positive to you to you all of you guys actually So we're talking about we need the right of passage is back the positive masculinity The idea that and then you say a lot rollo where it's the girls say oh, you're just faking it and it's you're basically There's like a a permissive element there that's missing consider. Let's go back to like the the thug He basically takes his masculinity and he dares you to stop him There you go. I think that is a much better long-term solution If only because over the last 30 years It's clearly shown to be superior to the other method of creating strong men in good organizations They just end up putting girls and boy scouts instead So I don't I don't want to suggest everybody starts dealing drugs But taking more of that I think is probably going to be a better approach I think that kind of puts the onus on the 20 year old guy who has to take it for himself Which sucks for him Because he didn't get anybody to help. I guess what that's necessary I hear what you're saying, but I think that the idea of the natural guy the alpha dude That guy doesn't think about it. He doesn't think I'm going to do this because I need to prove my masculine That is true does it it's just part it's there's not even an afterthought That's why I always say and people get upset with me about this But that's why I said Corey Worthington that guy that kid who used to be, you know, the alpha buddha not anymore But back in the day, he was this unfiltered unadulterated alpha guy and All of his responses to you know to anything really but certainly to the the the chicken australia who was interviewing him We're just these natural alpha Responsive reflexive responses that you would expect from a guy who has who is masculine and alpha without an afterthought He's not thinking. Hmm. How can I be more alpha with this bitch? No, it's instinct just like you said How do you organize? I guess a training school for lack of a better term because the Boy Scouts won't be doing it anymore. Oh, hell Listen, the only good thing about bringing girls to Boy Scouts are the fucking cookies. That's it. That's it. I love cookies I'll say this. They're the reason I got fat man. I'm just keeping Right, I don't know exactly how far I can take 21 studios. I hope to make it a billion dollar company someday But at the end of the day men like us will have to do it. That's it. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah Yeah, listen, our fathers aren't even gonna do it, right like dude dads I mean no one's it's on us like this is this is this is what's gonna happen We damn sure can't rely on the government or feminists to do it I'm not counting on baby boomers to fix to fix my generation I'm just gonna throw this this one out there because I've seen this happen and unfortunately it was with I think it was with the good man project But they give these guys together for a weekend or some shit like that And they think that if they're going camping and they're all just like singing kumbaya around a fireside or some shit like that that they are Like said here I mean Everything they do is just panning Everything they do is just panning from an imperative make s'mores think you're bad Like doing that they are. I really think you need to be careful of that kind of shit 100% It's okay. Cornelius. You can cry now Well, apple apple case, uh Assimilation from his uh married man sex life into its de-evolution into crap It's another good example of that. It's a more digital thing I'm glad you brought up athel because i'm just gonna make a quick hit Announcement here Apple k I think his mmsl is gone. The the form is now gone His blog is now gone as well and I have In my inbox I've got like some friends who used to follow him quite a bit because a lot of these guys sort of abandoned his His blog and his form to come over and follow my stuff and uh, I think I'm pretty sure I've seen the Email of this but he is in arrears on his house right now Oh, because he's behind on his mortgage or he's going into foreclosure because I think he decided he wanted to Uh make a full-time gig out of married man sex life and the books and all that stuff and then made the mistake Of allowing women into his male there it is And allowing them to define the terms of what his message was going to be Decided that he wanted to be a life coach very much a purple pill life coach And uh, allow not only his own wife to be part of that coaching team Oh god, are you kidding me another woman and another Her husband as well who were like psychologists of some sorts and they were they were part of it I understand that their heart was in the right place, but it's like Listen, listen, this is why you have to double down man when the feminists come after you know Fuck it. If you don't piss listen, if you don't pee standing up, you're not allowed, right? What's not That is that very sweet woman that you've been married to or like it's a very the devil comes in a nice suit Fuck yeah, man Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna save this for off the air, but I think I'm just gonna make this I'm gonna do this publicly. I I understand what you're saying. I do not think that I don't believe in red pill women. Uh, I'll be Hell no, I don't believe in red pill women either dude Manish fear and the red pill is itself a male space. Okay, and I do understand that It's interesting to me how it's usually just traditional tracon women who want to become involved in it I'm not saying That women don't have their uses In the red pill community they do but on their as examples and as illustrations and to to see how How ideas and theories bounce off of them because nine times out of ten you're gonna get a woman It was going to say not all women are like that and it's always going to come back to the same Muddy in the water Yo, check this don't even go. Yeah, listen dude. My girl is on red pill women all the time I mean all the time and she spits and again The hilarity that ensues. I mean these girls are they're absolutely clues. Here's the bottom line They want to be called red pill women without actually doing what's necessary to be a red pill woman There's no such thing as a red pill woman gentlemen Only a woman who is led by a red pill man because as soon as that red pill man no longer has possession of her Guess what? She's going back to her her regular feminist way. She's going back to she's going back to her regular imperative Which is self-destruction women cannot be trusted to their own devices So you go to red pill women and you hear them copy what we say Don't look don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does. No, bitch. It doesn't apply there Should I be concerned about my boyfriend's notch count? No, you're not concerned about your boyfriend's notch count That turns you on that he is Dude, it turns you on that he's fucked 168 girls. It doesn't turn him on that you fucked 168 guys It's so funny how they think The bottom line with red pill women and there's so much to get into but I don't want to be on here for four hours they would They operate under the idea that attraction is symmetrical And anytime anybody goes on there and suggests that attraction between men and women And vice versa is is not exactly symmetrical They lose their shit if you tell them if you tell them no you if a girl goes on there and says you have to give them Access to your phone. Oh dude, they get banned. Oh my god, like oh, yeah I can't believe you have to give up all autonomy. You want to be a red pill woman? You got to do red pill woman things. It's it's it's an abject disaster There's no such thing as a red pill woman. They just want in on the fun. That's all this is What came to mind when you guys brought this up is that to my knowledge, there's not So there's no such thing as red pill women. That's that's the I agree with this At the same time if you look at the man's fair and if you look particularly at the red pill community You know 300 000 or whatever it is now and all the blogs and all people follow them There's not a single woman that I know of who is full-throated red pill like we are Who will put her face to these ideas not one? The we're all here except carl is you know the plain smart doing vpn route But the rest of us here, you know our Our identity are fully backing up exactly what we're saying And as many as there might be on twitter trying to pretend they're red pill women and all this That was actually one of the reasons that I wanted to bring this up is because there is You guys are probably familiar with her. She goes by dr. Babe or dr. Babe. Oh, yeah And you know she kitten holiday. I was I was thinking, you know, oh holidays, you know Kittens trad con and there's really there's not not much else. This is what right her name is kitten Right, she's got a point. She's got a porn star name story mark west and kitten holiday. She sounds like she does Adel gangbanks like get out of here with that Here's what she is I was gonna say is like I was considering maybe doing some sort of debate with uh with this dr. Babe love Woman has a an instructional sort of an example type thing But I'm not I don't know. I just I I don't know if that's a good idea Yeah, I'm I'm on the fence about it too. Like if you really want to do it, we can do it, but I'm still I'm not sold on it either. Yeah, I don't know Listen, we used to have a couple of regular Donovan let's get Carl. Let's get Carl No, I was just going to say that having the debate About with a woman if there is such a thing as a red pill woman actually acknowledges that there is a debate to be had and there's really no debate about it because if you look at the I actually read red pill women a while back too because I was going through that and I was reading married red pill and I was trying to Between soul off goes as I decided to kind of think about it and what they do is they Like Donovan said they copy and do the exact same thing so they take the same principles and apply it, but They don't really want to admit deep down that the facts of the red pill acts required They can never internalize it because it goes against their basic firmware They're trying to install a windows on a mat It's also it feels like a threat to the reputation which they're all reputation guarding all the time So for her to fully fully endorse the red pill would be devastating. I think to almost any woman her social reputation I think that they see it really as a niche sexual marketplace for themselves. Yes, and they yes. Yes. Yes, they've got They've got the attention of these guys who are so focused on self improvement. They want to get in on those guys They want these especially and especially if they've already passed the wall and especially if they're already you nine I would say probably nine Gosh, if not all nine out of ten if not all women who are quote unquote red pill women Are post-wall women. They're looking for the guy who is passing. You know, you don't see any red pill women who are in their sexual peak They're not they're not I'm 23 years old and I've got size d boobs in my red pill No motivation for that whatsoever You will see if any any woman who claims to be red pill in some way is either a married and wants her husband to become More red pill or she is a post wall woman looking for, uh, baby daddies Check check this out. There is a woman and I'll put her name out there I don't even I don't even know who I don't even know if she's even on there anymore She was on twitter She used to be one of the mods. I think on red pill wives. Her name was iris and oleander I don't know what the hell that was. Oh, yeah Yeah, you know who i'm talking about Yes, yes, sir. Dude. She has sent me pictures now nothing like nude or crude or anything like that But she asked me if I knew a specific person in the hemisphere and I was like, well, why well I need to know if I can trust you. I'm like, well, trust me with what she's like five three fat The point is that she's on married. She's on married red pill women or whatever the hell it is red pill wise This is a mod. She is sending me pictures This was maybe a year and a half two years ago sending me pictures while her husband is at work And there is at least one other guy that she sends pictures to this is what your red pill women are This is what they are iris and oleander and I don't she recently had a baby and I'm thinking to myself Well, does the belong to her husbands or maybe somebody else? I know hashtag b&a test hashtag moray hashtag You're the father So the dating environment is a shit show. What else? Yeah, it's complete complete clusterfuck in the 21st century Unbelievable for our sons at least Okay, well, then that means there are three people that I know of that she has sent pictures to Oh, we have some private chat going here. Holy shit. Everyone's dropping in and out. It's a Fucking war zone in the group chat apparently Are we back alive? No, you're live me you and yeah, ryan's probably coming back here to roll it off. All right. It's mostly just rollo and ryan I don't know why that is Food at big time out there and now he goes see Carl, I don't think you've dropped once and I don't obviously I haven't dropped Silence in the silencing in I'm surprised. I haven't been kicked off yet. The youtube mods are like, wait a minute donovan's on youtube Oh, what if else is my wife redpilton? No, yes and no. I mean she is in the sense that she is predicted. She wants to keep you. She will be Yeah, exactly. Uh, it can't be anything but redpills is surrounding them Yeah, yes and no only because the obviously I've written three books and I'm one of the You know, I'm a fix I'm furniture in the hemisphere these days, but So obviously she understands all this stuff. Um, if she red pill, uh, it all depends on what you mean by red pill Is she red pill aware? Yeah, she is is she on Forums and sites and everything uh looking for dick. No Well, it's like about it this way though Even anonymously speaking is there a single red pill blog by a woman that's legitimately full throw? Yes, yes, it is called notes from a red pill girl Really? It's called notes from a red pill girl this this woman and she's very, um She like no one knows who she is. She puts out a blog post. I don't know maybe once every two weeks She and there's also another one judgy bitch. I think you guys know who she is. I heard a judgy bitch Yeah So those are probably I would disagree with judgy bitch only because and I like her and I understand why you think so Okay, if there's something developing that I don't know or I mean like her and Karen strong and a lot of these A lot of these women who associated themselves with mra's Really just sort of did that so they could springboard their own, you know, internet There you go. Okay. You know what now I would agree with that because here's the to me Here's the qualification of what anthony would call a full-throated red pill woman online If you really are a 100 red pill woman, I don't know what you're I don't know what you look like I don't know what your name looks like and you're just doing it again The only one that qualifies for me is a notes from a red pill girl. I have no idea what this chick looks like She she there's no advertisements on there. She's not doing it for attention She is serious serious question though. Are we certain it's a woman writing it? Yeah, I don't know that's you know what that That could be It is now so I'm looking at it. Yeah, listen, dude She keeps it 100 man and dude listen My girlfriend's been reading her for god a year and a half two years now And I'll read the stuff. I'm like wow this woman really does like she cuts to the heart of these issues And she and again This is the this is another difference between men and women The reason why men digest the red pill a little bit I guess a little bit better than women digest the red pill is because we as men We can acknowledge our faults. We can acknowledge our frailties We understand that we have to tear it down to build it up But what anthony said their women are only interested in guarding their reputations rightfully so Because that's really all they've got at the end of the day But that's one of the differences between men and women women don't want to really acknowledge that In the absence of a red pill man, they're a shit show like they are self-destructive And what this means though is a truth is being de-prioritized from social reputation Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so from from notes from a red pill girl I am a divorced mom in her early 40s was a great education a successful career And all the things considered a good life, but there's something missing relationship, and I'm not happy That totally Exactly she underscores. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well. Yeah, she understands it because she's had to there was another girl Darla she's on reddit and she did the same thing she got divorced because her husband said, you know what? Fuck it hypergummy. Let's do it. He stopped working and she had a good job And he's like, what are you gonna do to divorce me? She pays him alimony and that red pills her right quick And a day the same story kind of story here. In fact, that's the same girl. I really hope I don't out her Yeah Most women just acknowledge him 42 years old. I'm a single mom. I'm divorced and I'm lonely. I'm not happy That's that's listen. That's a red pill woman, man. It's that's the equivalent of a guy It's exactly the profile. I just said there you go. That's exactly right And I was gonna also gonna say is that when you look at Men from a red pill perspective, we you know, we branch out into different things. There's like, you know, there's guys like like Like hunter and craig james and then there's guys like christian mcqueen and then there's guys like tape, you know And then there's like guys like me or whatever There's a broad Broad selection, I guess, you know guys take the red pill and they sort of Compartmentalize it and turn it into there are different sexes of the red pill And then eventually you get these guys who are all about self-improvement. Okay, great I have yet to see a group of women Who are as dedicated to self-improvement as I have seen like in the red pill communities And what I would say is like if you really want to if you're if you think you are a red pill woman You think I'm misaligning you right here Show me the group of red pill women where you are all getting together and trying to You know improve yourselves and be better women for men Because today I see nothing From the earliest ages in every frickin disney movie If you do anything whatsoever for a man for his pleasure to better and you know make yourself better So that you can get a better dude so that you So exactly that is nothing but suplication. It is not it's it is goes counter to everything that the strong woman narrative teaches girls They even have social commissions for like internalized patriarchy and internalized misogyny They will they will go against yeah, they'll they'll gather to say how can we not do this But they won't gather together to there's no self-improvement groups for women that You know to cater to the better pleasures of men. Let's clarify what you just said women literally get together to shut down any organized self-improvement for women That's how fucked up modern feminism's begun and and you know the feminist empire It's the same thing is like what a woman says well, I'm losing weight for me No, bitch You're losing weight so that you can increase the number of dicks on your carousel ride like listen Look keep it real I tell people all the time and the reason I lift and stay in shape is so that my girl still wants to fuck me I'm not I mean maybe doing it for my health. Okay. That's a that's a welcome side effect But we all we all lift weights and get in shape to get late to expand our potential pool of suitors Oh Well, I think the thing with the women is And it comes to self-improvement is self-improvement comes from recognizing that you have to do something active to get better I wrote a post ages ago called the female sexual strategies where I broke down women into this huge chart of Different actions they take to do better and One of the things I notice with it is women rarely Better themselves in any way that requires dedication and consistency Like a guy who cleans up his diet and lifts three times a week for five years to get Built that requires a monument to amount of effort women get spanks. They get makeup. They get new haircuts They get fatter friends They don't lose weight Brutal dude your friends are fat damn They seem a little better no, but The good thing with it is like I mentioned it in the last Podcast too, but there's this train wreck. I've been watching because once I see train wrecks. I can't stop watching Called the body positivity movement now this started out As you know people who have had a leg blown off or people had acid thrown in their face To try and not make them feel good about themselves, but I think it's a good thing It's basically turned into If you go look it up on instagram But to get some eye bleach because you basically have three four five hundred pound women in lingerie demanding that Talking about how men are internally sexist for not wanting to sleep with them and men actually want these Bigger women, but they're just scared of social judgment So their entire shtick is to work away the social judgment for being basically a chumby chaser So is that what it means when three-year buddies make fun of you for half an hour social judgment? Fair enough. I gotta go like smaller and smaller. Yeah, exactly. It's a gentle ribbing. It's a rosing. It's necessary I'm not saying about the only one that doesn't like fat woman, right? Does anyone? I'm not an adult. I think it's gross. Listen fat women cook fat women tend to cook really well, right? Maybe I've only fucked one and that was because it was my boss And I just wanted to have like have the bragging rights to say that and then her boss high-fived me Yeah, that's a long it keeps going do you think you know with that body positivity thing It's funny how feminists and really the the entire culture They like to tie in things like with the body positivity movement, right? Okay, so you've got vietnam veterans who've gotten the leg blown off or somebody acid getting thrown in their face Guess what? These were things that were outside of their control girls are fat because they're lazy and they're fat Because they because they can't stop eating and they're too lazy to exercise But what they're trying to do is they're trying to marry fat girls who have control over their fatness With the with the war veteran who got his arm blown off or someone who has an injury That was that was inflicted on them by another person This is this is why girls are not and this is why girls are not really encouraged to lose weight because they think Oh, I'm body positively. Oh my goiter. Oh my thyroid bitch, please Dude, my girlfriend doesn't have a thyroid and she is far from that my goiter Yeah, dude, that's what my ex-wife used to tell me. I've got a goiter problem Whatever you weren't that fat when I fucking married you bitch Yeah, I just I just saw on twitter. They're uh, I don't know who did the campaign But once again, they're trying to run a counter campaign to the protein world ads that have been going Oh, yes Beach body looks like I wrote an article returning keys about that. I wrote about that. I did a counter argument write up about that three years ago and I'm like And I called it obesity culture and really that's exactly what you're talking about here is obesity culture There's like women who want to they want to I mean you think about again, we were talking about latent purposes again. Why would that be a latent purpose? Why would they why would women want men because you know, they have to they have to Sort it out for themselves that beauty is a social construct and if it's a social construct then Uh, then fat women should be just as beautiful as someone like Renee summerfield Who was a model that was in the protein world ads, right? And it's like well, first of all, that's it from an evolved You know perspective that's complete bullshit But what it is is it's a conflict between the social constructionist argument and the Evolved realities of what really turns a guy on it's you know, not that giant land whale Yeah, and and so all that fat on the inside what they're saying what there's so what they're saying is like if you don't accept me Then you have to accept, you know If you don't accept me or if I can't convince guys Are you know are are socially conditioned to want that kind of girl then Then it conflicts and it counters my idea about social constructionism Okay, so they and I'm not saying that they think this you know all of you know logically figure it out in their heads But really what it is is it's going against fundamental beliefs that they don't even really honestly Don't even know that they have because maybe they picked it up somewhere along the way saying well You can be you can be 50 pounds overweight and you can still be beautiful And you can't From it involves, you know perspective, you know I I see the same thing about guys when it comes to to issues of looks. Okay when we talk about looks. Yes looks count looks are Important, okay. I'm not saying that they're the they're the be all end all there's way if that is your deficit There's ways to compensate for that But don't get into the mindset that these fat women are in right now Where you think that beauty is a social construct because it is not a social construct and you will be proven wrong every fucking time Yeah, I find it remarkable women Well, if you can go back to the in cell thing a bit though because I think there's a lot of similarities between these Let's see gravitationally challenged women and Yeah the Because the in cells are constantly going on about well game doesn't work because all it works All that's about is looks and it doesn't matter, you know How much game you have what kind of games you have public your stylist Etc. So they've kind of built this wall where There's nothing they can do to improve their lot in life and fact of the matter is, you know If a guy is 450 pound that guy is never going to get laid ever If a woman at 450 pounds she can still get laid on occasion Well, he's still hookers and gold diggers So that's still an option with that weight. But other than that The body positivity side of things really finds a parallel in that mentality of the manasphere where it's You know, it's instead of being social construct It's just a social constructionist. It is about Pickup our street it is about oh if you have more game If you had if you have the right amount of game you could calibrate perfectly It wouldn't matter if you're 400 pounds. Well, I think that that's that might be a deficit that even game It's not going to help you with but here's the good news The good news is you have direct control over your of the weight you look get to the fucking gym Go work out go. I mean even if you I tell guys this all the time. I said, you know what Was it 68? I think it's 68 percent of the united states population is either overweight or obese Okay, you can put yourself into that, you know, 30th percentile right there You're already ahead of probably 70 percent of guys right there just by not being overweight Just by not just trying puts you at the top of the ferrito principle It's fucked at you can't fight so hard to get people there It's just I'm not saying that that's going to get you everything that you know your dreams are going to cut You're going to get your dream. Yeah, but it's a spark did that But you know what you have direct control over that and you might not understand principles of game And you might not know how to calibrate and I'm not saying don't do that go out and do that too But looks count look looks are definitely important and you have direct control over them guys use Sorry glad I'm I was just going to say guys use uh, oh You have to have looks and money to get laid they use that as an excuse to be lazy They say I'm I don't look good. I don't have a lot of money. So I'm going to take myself No, no, no, you're being fucking lazy because there are a lot of other things that are in that are Under your direct control that could get you more laid than guys with looks and money Girls do the same thing again. I bring up redpilt women. They say well, I'm not a 10 I'm not some you know, I'm not beautiful So I may as well be a slut because I'm never going to meet because I'm never going to uh I'm never going to meet a guy who's going to want to marry me. That's the lazy route Listen, man. The thing is this dude What's hard for women and what's hard for men are two different things it goes It goes back to what rollo says about men being the gatekeepers to commitment and women to sex Guy getting laid on the regular by pretty girls is hard Finding a man for women who want to marry you is hard doing what's hard. Okay Obviously that that's not going to be easy. So people are being lazy. Well, I'm not a 10 So I'm just going to continue to be a slut which is easy guys say well I'm not rich and I'm not handsome. So I'm just going to take myself out of the market, which is easy and lazy Yeah Well, what I wanted to get in on is one of the things where I agree with jordan Peterson and kind of piggyback off what rollo said is that Small ec changes have a way of snowballing. So when jordan peterson says clean your room He's saying do something that's easy to do and that makes your current living situation a little bit better Then maybe use once you clean your room Maybe you decide to actually learn how to cook a meal at home instead of eating everything as at the star betas Then once you start getting better nutrition, maybe if you go, okay, I'll go take a walk You take a walk you walk past the gym. You say, okay, maybe I'll start lifting some weight And that's how you get better. Nobody ever goes from Total sexual market value of one to sexual market value of 10 overnight It's a lot of small incremental changes consistently performed over time Persistence is and this is this is that cnn report. Well, I tried the red pill. It didn't work Did you notice the guy was a fucking fat ass? Right, like the reason the red pill didn't work is because you're a fucking fat ass, right? How many cheeseburgers did you how many cheeseburgers did you eat during your red pill awakening? How about Robert Fisher got his little hate mail thing from the daily bugle about being the red pill reddit founder Oh, yeah, yeah, I guarantee you looked at all those photos. They were there to emphasize his unattractive qualities I'd even fit that shit would have gone away I guarantee it if they if they say you're a red pill loser The first thing they do is they will go to your looks they will And now I and just to sort of wrap my side of this thing up here I constantly get into this argument. I got guys who are diehard pickup artists who say no, man It's all about uh, behaviorism. It's all about learning the cues. It's all about, uh, you know, uh, was it Learning the sub communications calibrating all the time, you know, it's like this rsd You know manifesto and I and I get that okay I understand the importance of game and I I honestly got I do but to say that at the exception of looks is Incorrect in a big way, but it's a great way to sell books It is and I also get the guys who say no, dude, there's this game is bullshit Just go look at tinder girls go go for a guys who have six back abs and that's all yeah Yeah, if that's all they are presented with if they are isolated an engine you just need fuel Yeah, if you're if all look at look at what tinder does it isolates everything down to one thing and that's looks And that's why I say well you Yeah, so I I would I've always said that look there's a balanced looks count. Um, I was it, uh Looks affluence and game have two better to have three But if you can only have one game is the most important because you need to be able to That that is the key to so much more that goes goes because game is the only it's the only commodity that doesn't depreciate in value Right now game and then it's like they just don't get like I'll I'll sit like the argument I just had or the the point I was just making a few minutes ago about how you have direct control over your looks like I mean unless you are physically disformed unless you have something that is really fucked up about you and even still I've seen guys who are you know Fucked up with a big old facial scar who could still make themselves look really good Yeah, right and still can still do something with that but you have direct control over that You also have direct control over game too, but which one? is You know, which one is the one that you can put you put yourself into Most you know most expediently which one is more pragmatic for you And I will always say that going to the gym going down the gym eating right you have direct control over that every single day And it doesn't depend on other people. 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I want to get that going on so Wait, uh, if we could before we go off the super chatter, uh, he actually had a question He said i'm 24 limited to be a programmer and slightly above average and look and in shape because I box competitively My personal hang-up is my height as I am 5 7. How does my height affect my dating prospects? I don't have a profound answer Um, because I mean, I just don't I I just don't have the mental gymnastics Like like role as a guy and ryan puts things eloquently too, but I would point I would point a movie out called it was actually a book called a mice and men And if you ever if you you can look it up, you know, you don't have to read the book or watch the movie But there's a big stupid fuck his name is george And then the other guy I don't even know what the fuck or the small guy's name is george and then there's the big oaf Right. Yeah. Yeah, lenny. I think I think that was his name Anyway, if you watch that movie or read the book, who do you think the girl would want to fuck? What you want to fuck lenny what you want to fuck george or the big oaf lenny? The point is is that it is all in your attitude. It's all in your swagger It doesn't matter and and and i'm saying that's true in it. Listen, you guys can say well don't have been your 61 and 235 well, listen, okay, that doesn't make a difference but If If I didn't have the game if I didn't have the confidence that I did but a dude who boxes competitively Five foot seven were to run game on the same girl. Guess what? She's fucking you every single time because you have the confidence Okay, so you're five seven walk around like you're fucking six four and you got a 13 inch cock and girls will see you that way That's right height is an evolved prerequisite for women. I mean, let's just I mean we can be honest It's it's one of those things that yes, they are height is almost every single almost every one of them You know, ironically women who are like super tall are the Hightest because they're so used to powering over other guys that they tend not to be quite You know, it's not such a big deal to them But i'm just gonna leave you with this if you are five seven Go look up I do a google search for this or look forward on twitter But there is a height chart for hollywood like leading actors And if you go and you look at like somebody like george ronge or you look at yeah Tom cruise is like he's like five two cruise uh More downy or more robert downy jr Is is five seven So go look up that chart and you and and go and you ask me are these guys is is height an issue for these guys And i'll tell you right now It's not go look at that chart it will definitely give you some inspiration Hey to close this out I love big tits on girls, but I fuck girls with not big tits as well and big calls like having big tits So it's all good What's that girls are heightists i'm a widthist Yeah, I'm a i'm a i'm a thigh gapist Very niche market niche market very specific All right gentlemen, thanks for today's show i'm gonna end the live stream We could stay on privately everyone else extra tuning in live this is next week Actually next week we'll be on richard creepers channel after that. They'll be back here at youtube.com slash 21 adios