 Makutwaina, kwa lisha foresto시i yun kibraa, kwa nanupuniaikaji kwa atutulama kisha kambaus. Dunorongdu nii isilipagsquo makikwena nii, kwa kuluniai juna uwezo. Kiribsana dan... Kerita na reaktu, mta juwa wapuna? Kwa hirio kwa hirio kwa isilipagsquo samifi? I think first because our politics is very vocal and very extreme and I think for many the elections are usually a very high stake that people will go to such extremes but at the end I think the responsibility nambuan goes to the residents of Gibra, the security forces but more so the political parties because I know some are using the tactics of intimidation so that they may intimidate a few political candidates but I feel ultimately that it's the people themselves who will decide that whether regardless they are being paid or not that it's them who will need to say that come what may if we are given money we are not given money that we have determined that we are going to have a peaceful election All right I'll be coming to you because you've raised also another issue but let me first of all take Dana Rongo's reaction towards this and of course before you came we were hearing a clip and it was said that you know there are people as he has mentioned about trying to bring chaos in Gibra in terms of elitwarros. Well I think this good morning again this should be seen in Ristuproho number of factors one is what the guidelines of election campaign we are having an elections act that is clearly stipulates what should be done during the election nearing period be it general elections or be it by elections so one of the things that and and I have discussed this on on a different platform and I said that you see each and every political party or rather each and every candidate or to have provided a calendar of how he or he moves to the IEBC some days or some weeks prior so that this would be known secondly on Gibra issue and like Pitona's just talked about the election act is very clear on election offenses one of the elections offense is intimidation and intimidation by meeting violence on your opponent that is a serious election fraud the other thing is that any allegation or evidence that you're buying a vote or rather you're buying an ID cards or election cards that is an election fence and and you see the coordination within the election and even before we come to the people of Gibra the IEBC and the security operators at the point to which a candidate or some the supporters of a candidate rather were passing over arrival candidates area what happened to the security operators where were they what happens to election guidelines on the calendar in each and every movement of each and every word because my suggestion is and or as alias on Friday when I got a win that this was going to happen I already informed that there's going to be an election because in area in one word like in Saragumbe you are organizing elections on two closed areas on a campaign on Sunday and come kunji and then bukungu and on in line sabah and then you go to Lindy those are closed range is actually a walking distance so there was definitely going to be a you know conflict during the election right Danny have mentioned about four four issues of which even the the ANC leader was feeling would have a deal last week he mentioned of the same about bribery and he even came clear saying about particular persons my question is who is failing on the apart about the act or is it the IEBC is it the the aspirant the candidates who is failing on the apart well well elections it's a matter of coordination IBC through the IBC act then they are compelled or rather they have the task to uh you know oversee the the IBC act but then the other supporting acts for example the elections act the election finance act now it comes to a time remember when IBC had actually called for stakeholder's consultation elu dowalu in Hamisi butichi uh from ANC and for Kenya respectively brought up the issue that one we are witnessing an election uh malpractice in a manner that you know one candidate is using state machinery that is an election offense they they actually uh forwarded that to the IBC and they even say that one of the elections the candidate is using violence you intimidate at that point the IBC was very clear they said have you registered an official complaint none of them had actually registered an official complaint with IBC even as we speak there's just a number of allegations in these things happening but nobody had actually registered and and and you know a complaint if that is registered it means that IBC must expedite that must call for a hearing must work with the security apparatus to investigate right and if that is found and let me say to the people of Kibura we have a country that is abiding in law and regardless of any political party if there is an evidence that somebody is buying voters and one is instigating violence I think is because the IBC to act and disqualify any candidate who does that all right done let me come to you Asta because we have this issue of the young people they have been mentioned it's alleged that young people are the ones who are who brought the chaos my question is who is sleeping on their side isn't that young people have been lured into these issues of bringing chaos uh in my uh guess the government because they should educate the resident I mean if like that 100 is not worthy the rest three years you understand and also people should learn that from the past experience because currently against youths are so idle like they have nothing to do in like in their life so and even that 500 or that 100 they find it is like this man is it's worrying for the fight is it worth it not she is not worthy but according to them because they have nothing to do and you have it you can't be given money and then you don't act because if you ask forgive the man what did you do so as for me guess is the government and also the residents themselves they should learn exactly so we can say that uh the money the money the bribery issue is the prime effect of all these issues yeah it's the bribery because currently everything is the power of the man that you have because just the way that all one of us see that one of them are using the government like the houses you know I know the person is so superior but even though when the person is taken to the court can't be asked because you just bribe and guess out so as for me is the case of the bribery all right but people let me come to you again the ANC secretary you know has raised quite a big concern that uh it's alleged that there will be a disruption during the November 7 by election where do these people get this information from and is it validated and who should they forward all this matter to I think as Dana said there is a body called the IBC and I think they should know to go to the people because they'll just be agitating they should just go to the IBC and for their petitions and everything I think what they are trying to do when you know there is something wrong and you go to the wrong person you're just basically trying to just play with emotions and it won't really help legally so I think there's a legal framework and the the person that they should go to otherwise going to the people telling them that the elections will be rigged or somebody's planning to do this and this the people themselves cannot help and I think the best way is just to use the legal framework and to go and to address the issue uh there is yeah as simple as that the issue of the IBC in relation to the Kibrabi election is quite still strong because we have seen several candidates you know saying that the IBC is not giving out the registration uh or the registration voters form why is it that it seems like the IBC is trying to pull back from these issues oh they've said they are not going to give any registration forms names interesting I'm not sure about the election act but I think I know that in every election one of the ways of getting to know if the elections is fair I think it's transparency and I think everything to do with voter registration the number of people voted I think it's it needs to be in the public domain so I don't think there's anything that needs to be hidden so if there's anything that seems like to be hidden then I don't think that will call for a transparent or a fair elections to me all right we will be talking about that probably some other time but now I want us to go now to our main topic of the day well you can keep interacting with us on our Facebook page at it's y254 and of course on Twitter it's at y254 channel my twitter handle it's k underscore alex we can keep the interaction going on of course today we get to talk about the state appointments that the president has been making of course other css well the reason appointment by president who looking at have raised quite a big concern among the youth in the country well after the appointments after appointments you know involving the older faces if not the senior citizens to take charge of critical agencies and extending terms which we have seen even with matahora at the expense of young people one question that all of us trigger is what is really happening documents presented to the parliament by the public service commission detailing the breakdown of civil servants by age cluster revealed that at least 11,879 civil servants were aged between 51 and 60 years and for the 12,057 civil servants were aged between 56 and 60 years well from these while there were about 399 civil servants who had attained the age of 60 years which is Kenya's retirement age my question is to you guys let me begin with you Dan these are statistics that are quite shocking with over 12,000 civil workers being 56 plus I don't know what you take on that well I think it's what we called belligerence it's what we call the state the highest level of state ignorance that we ever had I think I am sure that you see this we we I'm wondering what survey are we using all these statistics that are flowing he and they are about the young and the youth and you know but one thing I am sure about is that if you want to gauge how seriousness any government or any state is you look at how they handling the young people and it shows you how that state is you will be run but then here is there are a number of companies not really alone appointment first of all before I come to appointments we have seen a number of companies laying off the latest we are having is probably finlays I think last time and retreatment massive massive retreatment we are having seeing I am not pro betting but we are seeing a number of betting companies who there are laying off the young people and not only young people but you're looking at let us not really look at the hardware what are the softwares about these food on the table you know we were able to you know some are single mothers some are struggling parents readers and readers who are taking care you know young people are actually sitting to adulthood so if you look at the softwares of this issue minus the you know putting together the statistics and all these things we are staring in a very serious strategic as a state and I would like to come to the government issue in uh being in the appointment but what if we look into you know the current public service I was watching yesterday a different channel where the head of you know the main service in charge of the professor Margaret Kobiya actually would winking the nation and trying to deceive why she thinks that older people are more prefer than young people the issues of experience the intergenerational discrepancy but the thing is here is that minus experience you know minus all these you know what the government is I think young people are better strategically placed to take care of and to be appointed to these positions but Alex this is a question you've asked me several times in this platform and I'm always looking at them the flip side of this question suppose uh the president of republic of Kenya or any other minister ask the young people now here are opportunities I'm looking at 200 qualified young people qualified quality the issue is qualified I'm not saying about experience yes I'm talking about qualified I want the bodies that are in charge of youth to propose these qualified people what is the preparedness what is the capacity thank you very much for that is that is that is my my my my open remarkable python he has he has read quite a point of concern because we're supposed to talk about the issue of experience and is it a hindrance for young people or rather what are we lacking for this particular positions I don't think there's anything we are lacking eh they say life starts at 40 but in Kenya it seems that life starts at 75 eh and I think that's that's so unfair and as you mentioned it's not even an issue of age at ECG one is 85 or 90 it's an issue of number one do you meet the requirements say number two are you qualified for the post because I can honestly tell you not all these older folks that you're calling senior citizens are qualified most of them are being given because it's a it's a they're being rewarded and I can tell you for a fact that these positions which were created the CAS they what are they called the cabinet administrative secretaryza all of them were given over 90 percent to those who had lost their elections and so it's not even a matter of a merit but they're just being rewarded so are there young people who are capable of being given these positions yes we have seen in the private sector that the private sector is actually the opposite of public service that the private sector is looking for young innovative energetic and very intellectual young people and they are there and we know them those CEOs but when you come to public service it's the opposite that you have this older folks and as you have said over 40 percent are civil servants aged over 50 and it tells you that there's going to be a gap very soon because there are no people who have the skills and as the government said last year that they are lacking young people who have the same skills who will fill the gap so what the government is doing is actually retaining workers over the age of 60 because they are no young people so as he said it's a lack of planning from the government side knowing very well that they are young people they have no experience but instead of giving them opportunities we just tell them that they are no opportunities and then we come and ask them for experience over 50 years it doesn't make sense at all when you're talking people are not talking about the word reward yes i'm talking about you know being rewarded because of this particular you failed in your particular you know yes that you are vying for yes is this thing political um of course being public service and of course our president is also a politician and i understand him because he has to balance many things from my young perspective we will tell him that president you need to give two or three positions to the young people but to him i know he has to balance but i think on this he got it wrong uh because yes i know you have to do some balancing um i know there are people who brought in a few votes here and there but i think the priority needs to be by merit and requirement that if i was vying for you know um saying it embo county and yes i had i have a masters or something in human resource then i i i qualify because for the case of mary wambui um actually the the national employment act uh section 10 said that you need to at least have seven years of experience in human resource she didn't have the issues not even about losing the seat but she didn't have that requirement um so i'm saying that yes you can lose the seat and you can be rewarded but let it be by merit not by simply because alex me i'm your friend and now you have appointed me uh for a particular position that you want me to be let it be by merit you have raised quite you are raising quite uh serious issues but i want to ask you ask is this issue of who knows who okay yeah it is but i guess the youth are not that much aggressive all right because the reason being that when you know most of us i'm doing that small job you get excited you know i cheated by these small small gifts you know so i guess the youth are not aggressive because you know you have been seeing what the president has been doing but still you are quiet you know should like you have not acted that they are supposed to act because i expect when you see such things even not if you have also not had at least demonstrate go on the street then you show you are isn't like you know you have the you are you are supposed to get those job but i don't get you know twitter going to facebook for me what i think is not going to help because so as for me guess there is another that much aggressive and again they are contacted with what they have they literally give them they get contacted they don't see someday future if give me this small job what about future what am i going to do you know so i guess the youth are not that much coming back to you Dan you talked about the issue of uh qualifications minus experience that's what you said my question is very simple Dan everyone is being told about experience wherever you go it's all about the experience that you got and one time living actually even given example last year firm of vice president Mudeori 91 year old was appointed to chair the sports arts and social development fund when the experimentaries they asked him at your age what exactly will you for this then he came and said don't look at my age because the the the state says i'm just here to protect the fund is the how do we handle these kind of issues well you see this word experience have been actually be used to as a catchy word to you know subject the youth is actually subjugation is is technically throwing you out of the radar so mine that is why i was very careful when i say it in we need and people have just seen you know uh merit qualification because now we have written another word merit because experience is definitely relative for me i see it's a relative term and uh if you say it for example Mary Wambu would actually say now i'm relatively experiencing this area because i have been in the government so when we we use for example you want five years experience and one of the uh issue that young people should actually begin to lobby about where do you want us to get experience in the first place we are from graduating if you don't offer us an opportunity to get that experience in these institutions you know because it's it's actually up locate how do we get that experience that is what you want but then mine as you ashering us into this institution where do we get it from so that is mia my issue is about uh do you have the will do you have the power do you have the merit do you have the qualification to do the job begin do it learn as you experienced you know right uh and then uh coming to uh what what what uh my colleagues just mentioned one of the undoing about this country is not really the fact that a number of things are happening in our watch is simply that we are not proactive in nature you know uh the point at which we must correct every form of this mistake is at our appointment at the balloting because that is the only force now young people why i begin to retract this statement is you look at countries for example like south africa we had a xenophobia issue with it but but look south africa young people are very aggressive you know when it comes to holding their leaders accountable even in the parliament you know i've you've seen clips of jack up almost running away from the parliament when it begins to serious questioning you have seen the performance of you know a and c youth league in south africa hours we are struggling to come up with the national youth council you know that is between the which is encapsulated by the government itself young people of kenya must begin like my sister has just mentioned our proactiveness nature should be taken away from social media platforms to be keyboard warriors but begin to systematically place ourselves in this institution even politics as a body the oh i saw senator sakaja you know uh you know trying so much to to to you know to ask uh madame umbe to step down in her honor right how many of these young people do we have in this position that would actually give a voice and back up senator sakaja babu oeno jagwa uh you know you know you look at these young people and ask what if instead of them being rowdy and organizing youth in militia why would they back up this particular young senator in these uh you know uh a noble initiative to begin to champion for the voices of young people when it comes to these you know appointment in these you know opportunities so i think it also begins we really need to have a conversation as young people what is the issue about youth is it youth at heart or is youth at age was it youth people who are having youth interest so i think it is it's a conversation that we should have actually men had at their conferences somewhere i think young people should actually convert somewhere and begin to have a conversation within themselves all right what is this youth all right pet petan i'd like to give you a time to respond to these what do you think yes uh first of all um i was disappointed when the president says that tuna butiam zeat we came alietu assuming that all the millions of young people we don't even have one who will be a good steward may thought that was uh it is they are true steward in terms of the young people no it's not even the old of the young uh because uh if you're saying that young person will eat all the money we have seen even old folks eating a lot of money so it's not an issue of age sigui atinimze amani kichana but i think that was discriminating the young people by saying that ni wase peke when we was awaikamali iaumavizuri i don't think that we lack young people with integrity and who can be good stewards so uh the the the fact that that he said that uh we don't have young people me i felt as a young person and looking at the government which they call the digital government meaning that it was a government for the young people i think that is going against what they made us to believe in uh during 2013 i totally believe that number one the young people should be trusted with positions and he has said how we like in the experience if i don't get the opportunities like now uh the i g the former i g josef boinez after retirement he goes to tourism c as tourism how do you even relate you know issues to do with military and um and then you go to tourism um i'm simply saying that uh they they have experienced they they keep moving uh they're at the top your peers you know minister from minister you're now uh an assistant minister ask them people we we have not been given the opportunity even to start from somewhere so i can i can assure you that in the next 30 or 20 years we will have a crisis because we'll be looking for years and this uh done people are too inexperienced so let me say this people yes because it's it's a point of concern like one of the young ladies she's in her 20s she's a peris wambu in yutu she's been appointed as a member of the nc i c from 2013 she was with the jubilee government with uh something drew with minwara rambo and the like how young people really really aggressive enough for this kind of post because you are talking about it like it's not about age and young people and they talked about the aggressiveness of young people are we really really ready to handle these offices are we aggressive for them yes we i can tell you for a fact that yes we are aggressive and if i was asked um just the way we have the two thoughts gender rule i think it is uh for the benefit of the country that any both that we have in this nation whether you have at yes we have the two thoughts gender rule at least we should you should have two young people as you prepare and zoom into them in future by aggressiveness as as young people we are very aggressive i can tell you for a fact but um we lack those opportunity so yes i'm aggressive i will try my level best to be the best i can but if i lack the opportunities then i won't go far so i'm saying that um yes we have what it takes but if we are not we are not given the opportunity then it means that that skill gap they are saying um and for them to retain work as even after 60 years it will still remain yet we have young people who are more capable and they are young people with integrity all right let me come to you uh Esther is it the right time for the young people to be given these spaces or they should wait for their time i guess this is our time you know the features now so if you believe you don't give me the opportunity now then we'll serve you tomorrow because i believe these all all of them they are going i mean i don't mean dying but they they're leaving you know we are as energetic so i believe they should mentor us no matter is it a question of time not time because this is a time because people are learning power they are out there looking for jobs so i believe like they should give us the opportunity now isn't and the youth should be ready to is how is it called to volunteer is given a job just volunteer not you know youths want a lot of money i mean the one if you give me a job with that thousand not accept but they want that job for a hundred thousand you understand so i guess it's for me like nita has been to two offices the irrigation board director and the who's the other one she's going to be done out for the ncac yeah so you see you know she's given two two two offices one person instead of giving another maybe a man for the sake of the agenda so i believe this is our time and who should be told this is our time i mean there's no tomorrow this is our time okay i'm looking at the statistics that are there in the ages well 72-year-old francis modaora as i began by saying is in charge of 72 actually yes is in charge of kenya revenue authority which has been extended by three years from today and now going down national assembly all right let me just go straight miruwambui 69 as you guys said kriso bures 75 look going to matuwamai 79 beth mugo 79 and the numbers can go all the way down even to 69 my question is does the government care about the retirement age or it's just a matter of stipulated in the constitution okay i think in the pension arts it's it's voluntary if i'm not wrong it's voluntary retirement age so you you can't be forced alex to me figure 60 now you should go huma it's voluntary that's why you're having 72-year-olds 90-year-olds and soon you will have 110-year-olds still with these positions because it's voluntary i think it needs to be mandatory but but then again there's this other side that a 60-year-old is still young and very energetic which which i believe but ikifika 70 may think now we are going to the extreme so i totally believe that we should start as early as from 20 or from 30 years so that we can you know nacha and get the best of young people because most of these people yes they have experience but they lack the passion i can tell you if you put an old person in charge of sports it's not the same he won't or she won't have the same passion as python has i'm seeing issues to do with sports because i can tell you for a fact we had the netball team in south africa i mean if if i'm a young minister you know i have a heart and a passion for sports i can't allow some things you know to happen in my tena that you've gone somewhere you are your your your bills haven't been paid and you're representing the national team so i think yes they may have the experience but even the vision and the passion they completely lack so i think it's beyond the paperwork and saying that yes i have done this and this to exactly what can you do if you're putting a certain board and i think that's what the young people are bringing in just the same way they're bringing the private sector bringing those innovative ways and you know a new kind of doing things that's what we need actually in the government but if we won't have young people in the government we'll still have the same conventional way of doing things as we have been doing them in the 75 in the 80 uh even in the next 50 years because an old with all due respect uh an old person alex atakuta na fresh ideas it up what this is what we've been doing as it was in the beginning so it is now and it will be forever but between now the young generation the old one and i think that's why we need to be very aggressive because we have so much to offer but if we are not organized as young people we will still miss those opportunities because i can tell you that this um uh because of the political factor we can still point fingers what to put here kazi but if us ourselves um are not um proactive enough also to get in government and form government to takatu apa in this interview we will complain and tomorrow i can tell you because this is not the last we are not seeing it for the last time i can assure you next month or next year there's somebody who is who is old who is going to be elected it's until we form government is until we be on the table of making decisions that's when we're going to see actually um actual change thank you python because we have raised one of the questions that you have you have raised one of the situations that i wonder as to raise let me come to that what best can the government do he has talked about the young people coming to the table and offering themselves true passion and vision what can the government do to ensure that it mentors its own young people well but i think uh one of the things that happens uh is the incoming of the cbc it's one of the things that i like about matters of education because everybody needs an education as a basic right that is the transition that young people go through uh but uh one of the things is now we begin to look at young people as all round you know having skills you know in competence so that once somebody graduate you do not have a problem of skills mismatch you definitely qualify for what you know you've learned in what you have an experience of passion over so that means that you can practice it and have income with it but again it is a gross violation of the constitution of kenya where the constitution compelled that in the formation of each and every government each and every institution it must have an outlook it must be diverse in its nature age being inclusive gender being inclusive you know all other things but you actually see in the composition of inner disappointments it violates the principles of diversity which include the young people need so i think it's it's just a matter of compelling the government holding the government to account like my sister said apart from us making noise in social media why now could we have even you know a battery of young lawyers moving into courts and beginning to you know trying to turn down these appointments making sure that young people are included but again lastly which jagu has done he has gone to the court seeking for determined it's to be reduced to 15 but now you see you see it's a matter of benevolence sometimes you know like he's quoted an act that you know matters of retirement is matters of voluntary how would you compel you know that is also another gap we are having the lakuna that we are having in the law so i think for me what would the government do versus what can we do as young people is first of all do we have a strong institutions that are young people oriented the kenya young parliamentarians association for example you know these strong student bodies like we have in the 90s do we have it right now for the for the interest of time i'd like just to give you 30 seconds each to begin with asda i would like you to address the young people what's what's it take for the young people what do you tell the young people i just want you to look at the camera uh what i would like to tell my our young people is that they don't die their hearts and they don't give up just keep pushing but you have to act and we don't wait for the government to come and give you jobs you know just go start your own self employment and just go get yourself a job i mean start these small businesses then one day one time get somewhere all right we don't like to address the government what do you think the government should do um article 55 of the constitution says that the state must provide measures and also affirmative action to ensure that the youth access employment and one of the places that we can get employment is in the boards and government agency and i believe that uh that's an opportunity that the government has and so in every board in every state agency there needs to be representation of the young people that way we'll give them opportunity they'll be able to mentor them and that way in the next few years we will not have a gap of leadership uh in the government or any government agencies all right and of course to finish it all up down i'd like you to address both young people and the government within 30 seconds within 30 seconds i think first of all let me begin with kibra uh what what what we just saw in the clip young people elections come and go kibra remains so one of the things that you need to practice is vigilance and you have the right to vote and go back at home and because it shouldn't be used for violence purposes and for young people generally in kenyan i think article 35 again uh provides for uh the equal political participation for young people go one of the probable things we could do as young people's have a very strong youth oriented political parties that we are able to negotiate with you know our opportunities in the government lastly food shelter clothing job is enshrined in article 43 those are the basic rights within the constitution and it doesn't matter which government is there at the end of the day it has the prerequisite authority to provide the citizens including young people with the basic right it's not a matter of uh you know of of of how it is it is within it is it is a requirement it is it is a right for young people all right thanks for everyone there has been down or rongo who is the weather consulting director and former kibra aspirant right next to him has been of course python um shoku is the director of vijana wo gozi right next to me is uh asda irong who is the marunga county university's vice chair thanks so very much guys for making time to be together with us and trying to demystify the mystery behind all these well my name is garanja alex many thanks for keeping us company and of course keeping us going it's always a pleasure to have you on board valley is coming up next month crush monday don't go anywhere this is why 254 thanks so much