 You mentioned the police and so defunding the police at present is a is a headline and so we see Garcetti moving forward with that at the same time it seems like the incumbent Jackie Lacey is getting funding from the police. And so now as it relates to her campaign. I think as humans right so humans from the outside the humans that are ingesting everything that the media is putting out. We're going so hard into defunding the police I'm not convinced that's the answer I'm convinced some sort of reform surely needs to happen some sort of movement of the funds needs to happen. As you think about this you mentioned some things around mental health. You mentioned some things around how we as humans the brain isn't necessarily there until about the age of 25 the hippocampus has to develop. What are some things that you think make the most sense. So whether that's maybe getting more lenient with people under a certain age or whether that's creating more programs as it relates to mental health focus more on at the end of the day the people that go to jail coming back right they're coming back. 94% families. So it's like what are we doing as human like what where have we gone wrong as a as a human race not as a race but as a human race where it's just we're just we're treating these people like they're they're never coming back to our society and it's just not the case. And so how do you think about solving that issue how do we think about the rehab as opposed to the complete criminalization. So I mean several things by the way that this is an American problem this is not a worldwide problem right like the Europeans have figured out a lot of this much better than we have right or to all the criminalized drug use. 23 years ago. And they've had much better results mostly European Union has the fact of the criminalized drug use of course they have also national health systems are very very as much easier for them to medicalize a problem for us right. We have so many people that do not have access to to medical or health services. But I think that first of all I think the funding the police is a term that means very different things to different people right there are some people that say 90% should be defunded other people are talking about reform I think that for me. The issue is more of reimagining the whole system understanding first of all I don't think you can reform. A system that is inherently designed to do some things that are not necessarily good for us anymore but probably never were but we understand it. So you know I don't think that you can take a horse buggy and make it into a race car. It's just not possible right and I'm making that because I'm trying to make some comparison illustrate I just don't think you cannot put a jet engine on a horse buggy right. You can put wings on a horse buggy but it's still going to fall apart when it tries to take off right. So we have to start from scratch is starting to have an honest conversation with we today and if we were Martians and we came down to earth what we design our criminal justice system the way that it is today and I believe the answer would be recently no right. It's not a system that works is a system that first of all the failure rate is horrendous right I mean on a good day we have a 40% recidivism rate. That means that everything that we touch about 40% goes wrong now. Would you be willing to walk into an airport and jump on an airline that the person checking you and says by the way you have a 40% chance that this thing is going to fall off the sky. I mean I know it's an absurd question but you know we wouldn't right but we do that we spend billions and we'll spend trillions of dollars right. And the criminal justice system that doesn't work in prisons you know we know the things that we know that public health we know that education works in fact you want to know what the biggest predictor or someone that committing a crime. Give him a high school diploma put him in college and give him housing but yeah we spend you know we send juveniles at a clip or in the state of California almost $300,000 a year to house a juvenile in a custody facility or a single adult spending $800,000 a year and you shake your head and you said where do we go wrong because that's not an international problem it's an American problem right. How do you start over do you fire everybody like how do you do that. Yeah obviously I mean I don't think you can do that right so it's gotta be it has to be a gradual thing but it has to be a gradual thing with a very clear understanding. That the objective is not to continue to polish the corners if you will, is to really reimagine the system right so there are certain things that you can take out of the policing immediately. Okay that 30% or so of calls that are mental health related. Create take that money away from the police partner with the money into public health and create a network of first responders that do not look like a cop that are medically trained to respond to that now that might take you in some counties you may be able to do that in six months or a year so comes in and take it two or three years but you start taking that money away. You get district attorneys that start not incarcerating people for pre trial low level offenses or non serious non bio offenses you know about 50% of people in any county jail are there for pre trial reasons. They haven't been deemed to be guilty yet but they're there because they're poor they cannot afford to pay them right. So get rid of money bail get rid of that 40 or 50% put them out on the street let it come to the day in court whatever the day in court looks like that will have a tremendous impact on jail population that will also have a tremendous impact on whether we need to have more jails. We could actually reduce that right. We try and we prosecute a lot of cases don't need prosecution you know we should not be prosecuting people because they have a drug addiction. They have a mental health problem right so they wear those people away from the system immediately so if you start very methodically but very clearly and very short footed about where you're going. You start the process of what I used to call actually it's funny because somebody called me they said well you've been talking about losing the footprint to the system for years. It's not the funding I said well yeah it's another way of calling you about the funding right I've been talking about less reduce the footprint to the system. There is a minimal number of things that require a batch in the gun and what we need to do is slowly get us out there but we got to do it. We cannot keep talking about it and what I'm fearful is that we keep talking about we'll create more training more diversity. None of that stuff is going to work and the perfect example you know you cited it very well Nick when you talk about three rookie officers just out of the academy with a senior guy they all clearly went through the most recent training arguably the escalation of the stuff they stood by and did nothing you know why because the culture and the structure of the system is what it is. 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