 before the album, I'm gonna do a photo of him. He was gonna hammer all that. That was going on during this time. Yeah. And he was with the pants and everything. But this is when he... Oh, he had his. But remember, this is when he started getting the flack because he bought the helicopter for Oakland PD and he bought the battle ram and all that stuff. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. Well, I'll be honest with you, when we signed, so we went down to an audition in front of Hammer because we were like, okay, Hammer wants us to come down. So we had a van come and we got in there. This was before the album. I'm gonna do a photo of him. He was gonna hammer all that. That was going on during this time. Yeah. And he was with the pants and everything. But this is when he... Oh, he had his. But remember, this is when he started getting the flack because he bought the helicopter for Oakland PD and he bought the battle ram and all that stuff. So he had to change his image. And what was sad was that all the stuff that Hammer tried to prevent, like the image all the rappers do now. So it's like, it's funny. Like he was the architect for all that. All that product. I mean, think about it. I got toothpaste, I have a Hammer Time toothpaste. I have a Hammer Time game. You know what I'm saying? He had Hammer Time. He did that before everyone else. And what happened with black people was that they mocked him and talked about him and didn't understand that. Cause lots of people don't know this. Hammer at one time was one of the largest black talent agents. He had salt and pepper. He had heavy D. He had Ralph Trezman. He had, I'm thinking about three, five, seven. He had special generation. He had, think about it, uncle, whatever. He had all those groups and they were under his management. Him and his brother, Lewis Burrell. They were all under his management. We had tons, I mean, I mean, a lot of people don't know this, but Ralph used to live in Fremont, California. When he did his albums, he was under us as well. A lot of people don't know that. That, you know, Hammer, Hammer really got a lot of people. Y'all don't want to broke up new addition. No. Yeah, let's just be real about it. You don't want to break up new addition. Yeah. Wild Ralph over there. You didn't say Mike, Ronnie, Bobby, and Ricky was over there. You say Ralph was over there. And that makes me understand that Ralph had disconnected for some kind of reason. Yeah, he was over here talking about other things. Well, you know what, and I liked that the story kind of told his story. Yeah, I seen that. Because I'll be honest with you. Was he lying down on that? I remember when Ralph lived in Fremont with his wife and I remember him coming down to the studio playing sensitivity. I remember when he first came out. They all was bad. That was too much talent in one group. That's why they was tripping. Well, you know what? Let me tell you what happened with my group. My group got to the point where it was even hard to take pictures for magazines because everybody wanted a position. I'm over here. I want to be over here. I want to do this. A lot of pictures, you'll see that I'm kind of in the back or I'm turned away because we're moving because they always tell you, oh, move, yeah, I move. This way. And I always got pushed. I always got pushed to, like, make sure this nigga don't get to the front. And they might say, oh, dude, that's not true, but that is true. And so it got to the point where people really start tripping about the money, like, who's getting extra money? Who's getting extra perks? I'll be honest with you. There was a group that Madonna had, I think, my people, YMV, and so some people are gonna say, oh, what do you say is the reason why the group broke up? I am not the reason the group broke up. Let's get it straight. I'm not, but I will tell you what did happen. And this is on working on my reality to let people know what's really going on. I met a guy from the group YMV. We were in Savannah, Georgia doing a show, and he comes up to me. And this is the reason why I believe that we need to really teach the youngsters about business. Don't just get in the game and just get in the game. Take a course, learn about business, because it's business. Exactly. I mean, we have talent, but it's also business. To them, they see the dollars, cha-ching, cha-ching. And he said to me, what's in your writer? And I said, writer, what the hell's a writer? Now, I got the number one song in the country right now, and I don't know what a writer is. And he goes like, what do you want in your backstage? Like, do you have M&M's? Do you have, you know, candy bars? Or, you know, like, what do you want them to do? I said, I don't know. Whatever they put back there. He goes, I mean, he goes, well, do you want your money up front? Or do you come and, you know, like get money now and you get the rest of the money? Give me my money up front. And I was like, well, I don't take care of that. Him, the office does that. And he's like, what? You let the office do that for you? And I've always been blessed in my, God's always brought people in my life. Hey, man. I'll be honest with you. Listen, man. He'll do what he's doing. I'm gonna tell you this one thing. What happened is that he took me to Tower Books and bought me this book called All You Need to Know About the Music Business. And the one that Kashif, All About the Music Business by Kashif and Donald Passman, All About the Music Business. And he said, look, take these two books and I want you to start reading them. And I started reading them. By the time I got to Omaha, Nebraska, I was pissed. I was like, I'm getting scrowled over. Oh my God. Thanks to God. And so I knew that nobody could mimic me. No one could do my parts. And so I told Hammer one night, I was in the hotel. I said, I ain't going on stage. And he said, no, no, no, you got to go. What do you mean you ain't going on stage? I'm not going on stage. I said, I got asthma. I ain't got no healthcare. I could die. I'm in the great, I'm in the great plains. You know, I got asthma. I got grass all over the place. If I get sick, who gonna take care of me? I ain't got, you know what I'm saying? I have nothing to fall back on. I said, I'm not going. And he was like, doos, doos, just doos, doos, doos, doos. Just go on stage. Just do this, Joe. And when you get back, we gonna talk. We gonna talk. You know what I'm saying? We gonna talk.