 In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness health and entertainment podcast, we answer fitness and health questions asked by viewers and listeners just like you. That's right, Bob. Now, the way we opened this episode today was with a 30 minute introductory portion. So we didn't answer fitness questions in the first 38 minutes, but we did talk about current events. We talked about scientific studies, some cool stuff in that first 38 minutes. But if you want to just skip to the fitness questions, that's 38 minutes later. You're a skipper. So I'm going to give you the whole breakdown of today's episode. We open up by talking about The Rock. He bought the XFL for $15 million. Sounds like a steal, if you ask me. People's eyebrow. Then we talked about the real estate market right now. Like the stock market, doesn't make any sense. I don't know what that means, but we'll see. Then I talked about a study showing, very small study showing that red light therapy can improve eyesight. That's a small study. So take it with a grain of salt. But it's just another study that shows the potential benefits of red light therapy. Now the established benefits are, it helps with wrinkles, stretch marks. It helps with recovery of injuries. May have some effects on the metabolism through boosting the mitochondrial production of ATP. Might help regrow hair. Actually, that's established. It does help regrow hair. That's not a joke. Now the company that we work with, Juve, in our opinion, makes the best red light devices you can find anywhere. They have the devices that are like the ones used in these studies. There are a lot of knockoffs. There are a lot of crappy products out there. Don't just get red light. Get the ones that actually work. So go to juve.com. That's J-O-O-V-V.com forward slash mind pump. And get the mind pump hookup. That means you'll get a free maps prime program with the purchase of $500 or more free shipping and 0% APR financing for some of their products for 12 months or for 18 months. There you go. You're welcome. Then we talked about the artifact company. This is a really interesting. You won't want to miss that one. Then we talked about conspiracy theories. I came up with a new one. Actually, I didn't. I got a meme that pointed me in that direction. So hold on to your hats. That one hurt my head. Then we talked about a new motor electric company called Lordstown. And then I talked about fasting and the ketogenic diet. I'm trying to maximize my brain's performance right now. So not so much focused on strength. I'm more focused on cognitive performance. This means I'm not eating any carbohydrates. I'm on a higher fat ketogenic diet. This is what works well for me. And I'm eating a lot of grass-fed meat. It has a better fatty acid profile, easier to digest. And my favorite company that delivers grass-fed meat to my door is ButcherBox. Now we have a massive hookup with ButcherBox right now. If you go to ButcherBox.com and use the code MINEPOMP, you'll get some exclusive offers that are saved only for MINEPOMP listeners. Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know, if you can't get a full eight hours of sleep, should you take a nap during the day? Does that fix the problem? Does it help? What's the deal with that? Now during that conversation, I talked about one of my hacks. I like to take a 20 or 30 minute nap during the day, but I use Brain FM. Brain FM plays certain sounds and music that gets your brain into the sleeping wavelength. It actually gets me to sleep faster and deeper, and then I wake up more refreshed. If you go to brain.fm forward slash MINEPOMP, we hooked you up with a discount and a free session, a free, excuse me, five session trial. Here's the next question. This person wants to know, if it's hard for you to get enough food throughout the day, what are some good ways to implement more food? Like larger meals, snacks, shakes, what are your strategies? Just add cheese. The third question, what is your advice for someone who used to be chubby and now is scared to put on weight due to body dysmorphia? So we talked a little bit about body dysmorphia in that part of the episode. And the final question, this person wants to get into the fitness field as a career, but is having cold feet and not sure if they should jump all the way in or start out as a side hustle. So we give our opinions on the current state of the fitness industry. And if we think it's a good idea to jump all the way in or just test the waters with your big toe. Also, this month, all month long, MAPS performance is 50% off. This is a great workout program for those of you that want to build muscle, speed up your metabolism, burn fat, but you like to do it with fun workouts. You like to do it with functional exercises. You don't just like to look good. You want to be able to move good. That's what MAPS performance is all about. So it's got traditional and non-traditional exercises and it has a special emphasis on mobility. In fact, this is the only MAPS program with mobility sessions, specifically designed to improve the way that you move. This program is one of our most highly rated programs. We don't often put it on 50% off sale, but we are this month. Here's how you get that discount. Just go to mapsgreen.com. That's M-A-P-S-G-R-E-N.com. And use the code green50. That's G-R-E-E-N-5-0. No space for the discount. Hey, I got a question for you sports experts. Who? Sports ball. Trivia. Big news in sports these days. Well, you know how we were talking last time about how the ratings, they were anticipated crazy ratings for NBA, MLB. They got not what they anticipated and then it dropped considerably and we were speculating about what could have caused that, whatever. Two politicals would have a lot of people are saying. It's too much, whatever. I know Brendan Chobb said the same thing on his podcast. He thinks the same thing. That's why he thinks their ratings went down. But anyway, so for a while now, there's been, there've been, and I say a while, over the last, I don't know, 20 years, there've been these competing leagues that have tried to compete with these big league monsters. Yeah, like the NBA, MLB, the NFL, right? XFL, remember the XFL has been tried a couple of times? Oh yeah. Could not compete because nobody wants to leave the NFL. Do you think it's prime now? Do you think it's prime now to compete with these leagues? No. You still don't think so? No, I don't. Because I heard- The Rock bought XFL for $15 million, I believe. Maybe Doug could double check my numbers. That's cheap. It is cheap to me. That seems like it's inexpensive. Especially for the Rock. That's like a month's pay or something. He went through the couch cushions. Yeah, he's like, oh, just buy this thing. Oh, I got $15 million. Right. He might have just bought it for the URL. So you still don't think it's like, let's say, I don't know. How come? Just because those brands have established themselves so well. I mean, there's people all over the world that migrate to the United States to play in those leagues, bro. It's not just here in the United States that those brands are big. They're continuing to grow. They're international brands. Yeah. Yeah, but if they keep losing, of course, they could always- It doesn't matter. You know why? Because even if it's awesome, right? It'll always play second fiddle to those brands, and it'll be scoffed at. It'll be like, oh, it's the XFL. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you're good in the XFL. That's cool. So it won't be bad. It's kind of similar to how Division I athletes look at Division II athletes. Like my good buddy could have went to a Division I school, but he would have had to redshirt. And even then, he would have fought for a starting position. Or he could have went to D2 and been a fucking stud. Yeah. And none of you know who he was. He was one of the- He was leader in sacks and interceptions. He was a badass in D2. Didn't go to the NFL afterwards. Nobody- It does happen, but yeah, it's rare. Right. Yeah, so yeah. I mean, I could see that too. And also with like the UFC versus something like a strike force back in the day, you know, that's kind of like it. In terms of like them being able to get the top talent, they're always going to go to the UFC. Okay, so here's my question then. Okay. It'll be a feeder league at best. Well, I was just going to say, fine, they can't, they're not going to surpass. Even if the NFL, let's say all these big leagues, just continue to tank, I think they could always pivot out of it. But let's just say to keep continuing to tank, you still think XFL wouldn't beat them, but what would be their role? What place, how would you make it successful? You know what I'm saying? So, okay, is there money to potentially be made there? Okay, maybe. I certainly wouldn't want to run a business like that, where it's like, where the NFL is going to poach all your best players. Just like, I think Justin just said it right with the, like with UFC, you're going to, all these other leagues that could potentially compete with these, they'll never compete. They'll just end up being feeder leagues because they have so much money. They can't, they can't, they can't give contracts, like what was just given to Malone. I mean, you can't give a contract like that. Yeah. My home's just got like a, what was that, what was the number that my home? It's 504 million. Yeah, like I had like a half a billion dollar contract. Wow. Like yeah, the whole XFL, the whole XFL league won't even be worth that. Exactly. It's worth 15 million. It's a sneeze. You can't, you can't have a $15 million league and pay an athlete a half a billion dollars. You know what I'm saying? That's hilarious. Yeah, it's not even on the same planet. It's right. It's comical, right? And what will happen is, you know, even, let's say they, there's a lot of guys coming on a D2 or even D1 that didn't make it to the pros. That would love an opportunity to go play, just like arena football. Arena football, yeah, the Canadian league. Yeah. You know, there's actually leagues over in Europe too that do, you know, some bit of football. But yeah, at best it's going to be kind of like arena football, kind of entertainment thing. And I heard like actually that when they relaunched the XFL, it was picking up a bit more steam than it did the first time around. So maybe that's where the Rock had interest was like, oh, they had a little bit of traction. So what I think they did smart the second time around was they didn't try and compete with the NFL season. So there's some people, and which that, then it has a place to have like a little market there. Like, you know, there's people that are such die hard NFL fans. Or just football in general. Yeah, football in general, that when the NFL season is over, they still want their football. And if they can watch another league, then okay. Well, the timing may be good for them to get more eyes though, right? Because if you're watching one of these big leagues and you're one of the people that got turned off for whatever reason, we were speculating it was too political, it could be whatever reason. It's turning people off. If they're agnostic or whatever politically, I feel like that would be the best thing he could do. Yeah, and maybe it'll, I mean, not beat the NFL, but maybe bring enough eyes to it to where it brings the value up and get some interest. I don't think that that might be a good opportunity. The NFL didn't go as hard. The NBA in my opinion is the only one that went hard. The rest of them, I appreciate how they did it. It's a, you know, there was, there was a- Yeah, it was a lot more subtle. In the MLB, there was a mix of guys that kneeled. There was a mix of guys that stood. Right. You know, there was, they did the BLM on the mound. So there was a couple things in there, but it wasn't like, it wasn't as heavy as the NBA. The NBA was like in your face about it, the entire viewing, everything from what you were viewing, what you were listening to, and then on top of that, the commercials that were being promoted during that time. So they, out of all the leagues, they went the hardest on that. The NFL, no, I don't, I don't see, I don't, I don't know what rock's angle is on this. Well, 15 million sounds so cheap though. Of course it is. For something like that. Yeah. That's probably always swooping in. Well, think about it. He might be able to just double his money real quick and then- Just so much. And then dump it. Don't even do it. Well, yeah, at 15 million, the idea of it being this kind of small feeder league could be worth it in itself. You know, building a decent league that is an opportunity. There's so many people that are coming out of college that probably get overlooked, you know, because a scout didn't see them. And this could be an opportunity. They pay the players. A lot of guys that would love to go play football for $100,000 a year, you know what I'm saying? Doing what you love with the opportunity of maybe making. But it'll always be that. I do this XFL in hopes the NFL finds- Pay attention to me. Yeah. Do you guys ever, do you guys remember that women's football league where- The lingerie football league? Was that what it was called? Yeah. So condescending. You know what was condescending about it? But that's how they knew they had to get views by doing something like that. Well, here's the part that was funny to me. I've seen a couple of the games, and the girls are bad-asses. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like they are- They're legit tackles. They're violent. They're built like, I mean, monsters, and they're crushing each other. And then, but they're playing football and like little bikinis. Like, what are you doing? It's silly. You know? It is crazy to me that everything is so politicized. Sports, medicine is politicized. I'm watching this whole debate. I'm not going to get into, you know, what I think is right over hydrochloroquine. Since when has medicine been politicized? Isn't that strange? It's a new one, yeah. That's the weirdest thing. I feel like medicine is just, here's the studies. It works and it doesn't. And you're the doctor, you decide. That's why I feel like it should be. Yeah, there's a lot of sciences that are under attack these days. It's really interesting to see how, like, politics have bled through just like, you know, all these different, like, studies of science. I've seen it happen with nutrition. You know, I've been in fitness for decades, and I've never seen nutrition be politicized. But all of a sudden, if you eat meat, you hate the environment. And if you, and so you're either one way or the other, and it's like, oh my gosh, and they're politicized, everything. It's poisoning, everything. Biology, I mean, everything's up for grabs. Yeah, pretty soon we can't talk about anything at all. Yeah. I think everyone's just going to look at 2020 as like a mole again. It's just, it just doesn't count. You know what I'm saying? It's just like fucking, that's just- Like the 13th floor? We swung hard and missed. Yeah, bro, it just doesn't even, the whole thing doesn't make sense. The stock market doesn't make sense. Real estate doesn't make sense right now. I can't wrap my brain around what we're seeing in real estate right now. I mean, I chaired this- You know, prices generally went up a little bit. They were expecting more. They are. That's, there's bidding wars. Dude, I went, I told you guys the other day that I've been looking at properties and stuff. And you know, Katrina and I, oh, we find this place. Oh, we like this. If we got it, if we get it for that number, then this makes sense, right? So it's smart halfway investment properties. They live there for a little bit type of deal. And a bidding war. I mean, and this house has shit that needs to be worked on still. And so I would normally look at a property like this and go like, okay, this is what they're asking. Drop it by $20,000, $30,000, contingent on all these things being, or contingent on all these things being fixed. And what's happening, somebody else is coming over the top by $50,000 to $100,000 for it. It just blows my mind when, when we know that there is 28 million potential foreclosures right down the road for us. Like, that is so great. Now, I understand the cash is cheap. Like I was just talking to somebody in DMs that in Canada, they're doing like 1.3 or 1.5 interest rates. I know. What? Yeah, I thought our 2.5, 2.6 was insane. That's what I heard of. Right. So cash is cheap. And so what we're seeing is opportunists and investors that are coming in all over the, from everywhere that are buying up these places. But I mean, sooner or later, they even run out of money and they've bought all their investment properties. So when is this thing going to really reveal itself on what like the new reality is going to be in real estate? It just doesn't make sense to me. Buckle your seatbelts. I know. Bitcoin is up finally. Told you, motherfuckers. It's the long play. It's the long play. Finally made a dollar. Exactly. We all got Bitcoin and then like went down. Yeah, but you forgot all your login. Oh, dude, I don't even know what login's for. I didn't, bro. Well, I have, Katrina's got to save some. Oh, okay. Like, we got it somewhere. Because you know what happens if you can't- That's a common thing I've heard from people. Yeah, if you can't get in, you're done. There's no way to get it. There was one guy- You can't get it. I think I said this on the podcast. This one dude had like millions of dollars of Bitcoin because he bought it back when it was like dirt cheap. Yeah. And he wrote the codes down a piece of paper and they lost the paper. For ever gone. Yeah. Never, could never get his- I mean, I looked at his gambling money anyways. I told you guys that back then, you know. So it's, I'm not, you know, millions or even tens of thousands invested. I mean, thousands of bucks in there. And you know, if it turns into something, it turns into something. Hey, I got to bring up a cool study that just came out. It's a small study, very, very small study. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you a little disclaimer. Take it with a grain of salt. Okay. But this study used a red light therapy. And by the way, if you're listening and you have a juve red light before you proceed with what I'm about to say, do your own research. See if you, if this is okay. This is just the study that I read, right? So people using red light on their eyes. Okay. Looking into the red light for short periods of time had improved eyesight from doing this. Wow. So they theorize. So the way red light therapy works is the red light, this particular wavelength that you'll find in the right devices, right? So juve does this. This particular wavelength hits the cells and it causes the mitochondria to produce more ATP. Remember the mitochondria of cells are like the engines of the cell. They're the energy producers. And the more efficient they are, the, you know, better your muscles work, the faster your skin regenerates, the, you know, your hair grows better, your, your recover faster. If your mitochondria works better, you're going to think more clearly. And so that's essentially what the light was doing or what it does. And so they put it on their eyes in this particular study and people got better eyesight. Dude, that's interesting. Cause I remember posting something when I wasn't wearing like eye protection and that was like in the comments, like I was getting hammered for that fact. It's like, oh, it's going to damage your eyes. No. But yeah, it, it honestly, uh, I mean, this really points to the fact that you need a real high quality, uh, out emitting type of light. And so that's, you know, in terms of like shining it on your eyes, because imagine if you had any kind of like UV or something damaging that, and then you're trying to get the, that, uh, you know, benefit that the studies highlighting and you're not using something with high quality. I'm so glad that my, my, uh, pediatrician was savvy to all the red light therapy. Like he encouraged me to use it, uh, on max. So I mean, and the way I use it is this, I use it. Is there him in the room? Yeah. I use it the very same way that I use like our, we talk about green juice on here. We tell all these, the things that we, I look at it like a supplement, right? If I am, if I know that it was a day where I didn't get much good natural sunlight, where I didn't spend at least 20 minutes to an hour outside absorbing the sun, that's when I'm like in front of that light. And if I have a consistent week where I'm spending, you know, we're going to the beach in two days, we'll be there for four days on, I'll be out in the sun. I'm not worried about getting my, my red light therapy. Right, right. So Jessica's using it on her belly because obviously she's now in the third trimester to prevent or help with stretch marks, which it has clinical applications. But you know, here's the thing, like we talked about creatine many, many times on the podcast, creatine is by far one of the best supplements you can take across the board. Now lots of studies are showing it's health benefits and people are actually starting to get it to use it for wellness purposes. People who don't even care about building muscle and strength are taking creatine because it helps with cognition. It helps with heart health. And the way creatine works is it helps your body produce more ATP. Exactly what red light therapy does. So shining this on the biggest organ in your body, get your mind out of the gut or Justin, is your skin, right? So you stand in front of this with your skin. Thanks for acknowledging it. You're going to produce, boom. You're going to produce a lot more ATP in your body. So that's going to give you some health benefits as a result of it. Wow, that is cool. You know, I was just reading something. Obviously, we're in the podcasting space and there's like all these different types of markets kind of popping up now that I'm paying attention to. And there was this company that I just read about that was trying to approach the really small, like niche type content that people are putting out. But specifically, they're kind of providing a service to basically capture stories and things from family members and be able to produce something that's a high production and to have that available. So they're like pitch it like your uncle has this crazy story from back in the day or like Vietnam or whatever. And you're getting this really like crazy detailed story captured and they provide the service to address that. So they charge a couple hundred bucks to kind of do this whole thing for people. But it's like almost like this audio catalog that they're going to try and pitch to people to start a business with. Wait a minute. So you would record a story and this service would put it together and save it for you? And start creating like little micro podcasts with it. Oh, out of your own. Artifact is what the company's called. Oh, that's kind of interesting. It's interesting. It reminds me too of like when you talked about like how cool it is now that we have kind of like a timeline with social medias and whatnot. Like this is just another way, another service to kind of capture these stories and history with people. That's why you left the room, right? You watched Archive with me, didn't you? Who watched it all the way with me? Archive. That sci-fi movie that we watched up in Tahoe. Yes, I did. So like I really think that we are going to see this in for sure in our lifetime, especially, and I think that we especially are going to be examples of somebody they can use, right? So somebody who has got, you know, what do we got, 1300 Doug or 1400 episodes of one hour to two hours? I mean, I've said every word in my lexicon that you could think of that I would ever use in my daily speech, right? That I've used everything in this podcast alone. You have YouTube where we've got recorded. We've got articles that we've written up. Everything, it wouldn't be created in avatar of us. Yeah, you could build an algorithm around, you know, if you asked this question, what would be an answer that Sal would give with your voice? Because it's recorded. It wouldn't be hard to build a virtual version of you that you can converse with. Why would this not be a business that when you go and you die, creepy, that I have an opportunity as you're, you know, someone who's related to you to say, hey, I want to spend that, you know, $10,000 to create a virtual Sal that I can then communicate with that don't think that's not coming. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that's for sure coming. That's really weird. Yeah, this is another step in that direction for sure. That's some really creepy stuff. So basically, you know, someone dies and you're like, you know what? Yeah, I want to hang out with him. I want to talk with Nana. Yeah, just like have a conversation, like she's right there. You know, and see, for somebody who lost his father when he was so young, who has very little of that, I would eat that up, dude, to be able to potentially communicate, even though it's a virtual version and people think that's weird or I wouldn't want it, like someone like me would 100, but I would rather have that than what I have right now. Right now I have very little information that's related to him that I can't, I would love to know if does he think like me? If I asked him a question, I know how I would respond. Would he respond similar to me? Like, are we alike? Would we have things that we get? I mean, all that stuff for someone like us, like your son's son will have that, I think for your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren. Now, here's how I think this would be used. What if celebrities pay to have companies do this for them, and then you could rent talking to the rock or whoever. Hey, do you want cooking lessons? Would you like to talk to, what's that guy's name? The dude in the restaurant? Emeril. Yeah, whatever, Emeril, whoever, right? Or the guy with the mullet, yeah. Gordon Ramsay. Yeah, there you go. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I could see that. Oh, you could monetize that for sure. That's, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, oh, you want personal training from Adam Schaefer? You know, it's really you. Like, ah, you know, you suck. You know, your butt needs to get bigger or whatever. I think it's a family thing, more so than anything. I think it's like the future of how you'll like, how you think of it too, if it was something like a funeral home started to offer something like this, where imagine this a one-hour, two-hour, five-hour, whatever you want to think about, real of Justin. Justin dies, you know, 50 years from now or whatever, and you go to his funeral home, and it's a digital screen that I can click on, and I can watch, you know, Justin's favorite moments, Justin's sports, Justin family, and you're. Justin's deepest secrets. Yeah. Oh my gosh. No, I mean, I mean, don't you think that would be rad? Even those pictures in the shower. Think of a family member that's passed for one of you guys. You don't think that would be so cool to be able to go and like. I don't know, man. It's hard to wrap my mind around that. It's such a new thing that it's, yeah, it is really hard to like, really visualize it. Super weird. Speaking of weird, obviously we're in a weird time, and conspiracy theories are just, I feel like it's primed. No, no, I don't got a new one. Well, can it, maybe I do. It's like conspiracy theories are flying everywhere, and Justin and I love, for entertainment purposes, we love to sit down and share them and talk about them, and we kind of filter it out that way. And then I read this meme, and then something dawned on me. So I'm going to read you the meme, and then I'll tell you what dawned on me. So here's what the meme says. It says, just wait until conspiracy theorists discover they're part of a conspiracy, to use conspiracy theorists to spread disinformation. I got somebody sent me that same meme. Via conspiracy theories. So essentially what it's saying is, you know, what if everybody's being manipulated by all these, and I started thinking, especially politically speaking, if you're on one side, you think that this is what's crazy, and this is what's running the world. If you're on this side, you think, what if everybody's just being manipulated like crazy? Yeah, I just feel like it's a big cluster of chaos that they're spreading out anything to just get people all over the place. Like, you don't know where to go and to turn to for truth. I mean, what if, to me, that's, dude, I think you're naive if you think otherwise. Yeah, right. I think you're naive if you don't. There's so much money and power behind all this stuff that we're talking about, to think that we're not all being manipulated no matter what, I don't care who you subscribe to, or what channel, or what side you're on the political fence. If you think that you're not somewhat being manipulated by the information that you're only getting read or fed. I just follow money and people in power. Those are my two go-tos to see how the trends move in terms of world climate, and also what kind of policies are trying to be enacted. Well, I just live by that old saying, believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear. So it's just like, I need to see it with my own eyes, first of all. And then even then I'm going to question it. If it's even a reality or true, especially if I see it on fucking social media, then it's already falling in that probably not real. And if I hear it, I don't believe it until I see it. It's just crazy to me. Of course it makes sense. If you're running one side, you would want people to believe one type of conspiracy theory or series of theories to discredit the other side and maybe create fear. And the same thing happens for the other side. Don't think for a second. Well, I mean, I just feel it stems back to getting people separated. I mean, it's a very effective tactic to spread misinformation to just keep people completely consumed by their own bias. So they won't even listen to other conversations or change their mind or unify and collectively unite so that way that actually moves in the right direction. The more separated you can keep everybody, the worse off we're all going to be. Yeah. You know what the antidote to that is? Is to be present and then just talk to the people around you and connect with real people in front of you. And you'll find a totally different experience. And I'm sure you guys just go to like, everybody's so nice like in person, you go talk to them. It doesn't matter what background they're in. Brennan Shaw brought something up because when he was talking about the whole MBA thing and professional sports and what's going on. And one of the points that he made that I wasn't even aware of is what percentage of people are actually on social media. And he says that there's one in 50 people are only on social media. And so right now, a lot of the conversations that we have and a lot of the things that we share or we talk about are things that we're seeing on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook. It just seems a lot louder and bigger than Facebook. Right. It seems so. But it's not even the majority. It's not even close to half the majority. It's like it's a very small percentage of the population and many of them are just loud. They're loud, obnoxious, regardless of what side they're on. And I think taking that at face value and understanding that, well, I'm not going to get myself caught in this bullshit because you're not even a representation of fucking real people. I meet real people every day. And when I talk to them, they're fucking fine. Most people are reasonable. Most people want safety. They want security. They want what's best for their family. They want opportunities. That's most people. And again, most people are reasonable when you sit down and you can talk, unless everybody's riled up from social media. You have normal conversations. You can have good discussions. It feels good to go out into the real world and be present. And we're not doing that as much as we usually do because we're all at home. Right. That's the frustration is that other side of it is like this whole virus thing has really put a wedge in that even further. Totally. Totally. I got something for you guys. Transition into business talk. So keep an eye out for a company called Lordstown. Lordstown Motors. They're an electric. Right now, the electric car thing, and especially electric trucks, is becoming super competitive. You saw Tesla revealed. Tesla revealed. Oh, like the semi? Just no, just regular trucks. Pick up trucks. Yeah, Tesla did theirs first. GM and Ford's working on theirs. Nicola or Nicola, however you say it, there's coming out. Now this Lordstown, also backed by GM, was an old GM factory. They're backing them financially. This startup supposedly has the advantage to get to market before anybody else. Why? So just because they already had all the tools in place. So they already had everything in place. And their claim to fame with the truck is the way each one of the wheels is electrically powered individually. So that's four engines? Yes, exactly. It's like four engines built into these. So that's kind of like their claim to fame for what makes their truck special in comparison. But the real thing to watch for, I think the fact that it's going to hit market first is just a huge advantage in itself. Forget all the attributes. So Tesla really, I mean, when that brand came out, it destroyed the long held belief that it was impossible to invent a brand new car brand and compete. And you know what? I still think it's extremely difficult. Tesla against all odds did relatively well. I still don't think it's stock as much as it is. I don't think it's accurate. So I think it's silly that it's that expensive. But still, they defied all odds. So now you have all these companies coming and entering the market. That has to be one of the hardest markets to compete. There's so many barriers. There's so many selling cars. You've got to go through these. Is it just Ford and Tesla? Or the only ones that didn't take a bailout? Something like that back in the day. Well, so a couple of things. I have a theory on why Tesla is valued so high and why it kind of makes sense, right? Do you guys remember? I forget what a company that was that was starting to give you breaks on your insurance because they could track your patterns, where you move to your speeds, all these things like that. So I think that of all the car companies that are out there, Tesla is going to provide more digital information for advertisers and things like that than any other car company. Now imagine a car that digitally ran, right? So that's on a platform like that. If he can literally tell you that Justin goes to the grocery store 13 times a month. This is the short store that he shops on. This is where he's at. This is what gas stations he uses. Think of the advertising power. And then you have this massive monitor inside of your car. It's literally like what MIR is doing right now. They'll be the first to communicate to all the different, yeah. Oh yeah, so imagine the sensors and things out there. Imagine when your car becomes an advertising tool that is extremely accurate to your behaviors already. That is extremely valuable. So that is, that is amazing. But I'll give you a little competition to that. So nowadays you buy a brand new car, you plug your phone in, boom, the screen becomes your phone. All of that's already in your phone. Not necessarily the car. No, it doesn't really, not like that. It can be. Like if I go on my, if I plug my phone into the suburban or whatever. It goes to car play. Car play comes up. The phone has all that information. The phone then can tell me where I want to go, where I don't want to go. More people, I think, like think about it this way. When you go and use your dash or whatever on your car, you probably most likely stick to the phone car play and not necessarily to the Ford or the Chevy or the Toyota interface. So I could see how that becomes. Maybe they have a way to compete, but you're competing with a tech company versus, you have car companies competing with a tech company on tech stuff. So who do you think has the bigger advantage? Oh yeah. The company, they have the ability to change the specs on your car when something comes out. Oh, we found out that cars that with a half an inch lower on their suspension, get in less accidents or deal with more shift. So all of a sudden they send that out. Tesla's cars. Oh, I know. I know that. I mean, so updates. I used to train a guy that was very, very high up at Tesla. And I remember, you know, one day I was training him. He goes, oh, cool. My car just got faster. I'm like, what? Yeah, right. They just updated something that now my car goes 0 to 60 and like 0.4 seconds faster. I'm like, just like that. Just like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's the cloud. Right. Or get better gas mileage or things like that. Plus electricity. They have, yeah. Right, sorry. They have better or run a battery longer. You get my point, right? So they have the tech to be able to figure those things out, integrate it immediately. You're just, you're talking about car companies competing with a tech company. I know. That to me, that's why it's valued so high in comparison to like some of these car companies. Yeah, yeah. All right. So I'm going to take us to a different topic. You know, lately I've been changing my diet and optimizing things not for physical strength and performance but rather for mental performance. Now, usually they're very similar, right? What's best for the brain is best for the body. But when you're talking about maximal performance, then they can diverge a little bit. So for me in particular, for brain sharpness and for performance, typically this is a ketogenic type diet. I'll do lots of fasting. Fasting, I feel sharper. I feel smarter. Both of those things are not best for muscle performance, strength and those types of things. And so, you know, I'm in this position where I'm like, do I want to optimize brain performance or muscle performance? And I think this is a good topic to talk about because there are people who push their bodies to the limit who sometimes want to push their minds to the limit and sometimes one means you're going to suffer with the other one. Ketogenic diet does not give me the best strength and best athletic performance, but oftentimes does make me feel sharp, alert and so does fasting. Fasting, not necessarily the best for performance, phenomenal for the way I think. It's good to kind of recognize that going into it so you can wrap your brain around it so that way it's like, you know, because it is going to be frustrating like going back into the gym and you realize like, you know, it is going to affect the performance on some level. Like I would go through periods where I would fast a few times for that month and, you know, my performance in the gym was a little bit different, you know, versus me being in a surplus or like even being on a bulk, I could feel like a big massive difference in terms of energy and like really, you know, getting the intensity factor up quite a bit, but it's good to go through these periods to really focus on different attributes. So I do like think that it's important. Now, is the theory on that, that why you get mental clarity from fasting and the ketogenic diet is because the that ketones is just a cleaner burning source of energy? That's the theory. And I don't know if this happens to everybody. Now, studies show... Feels that way for me. Yeah, so there's a lot of... It feels that way for everybody I've talked to. Anybody that I know that I've ran the diet, whether you're a pro at for losing weight, building muscle, or if you're using it for those reasons, the people that are using it to pay attention to mental clarity and sharpness, almost everybody. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody who says they don't notice that. Yeah, so the studies show that ketones really benefit people with cognitive issues, cognitive decline. So when you have somebody who has dementia Alzheimer's, have them go on a ketogenic diet or supplement with exogenous ketones, they notice improvements in mental performance. When you're talking about healthy people, the studies are mixed. I'm just speaking of my own personal experience, especially when I fast. If I fast and I do it right, especially if I go into fasting already in ketosis, I am like, even my eyesight feels sharper. It's very strange. I feel like I'm on, almost like I'm on caffeine, but a different type of feeling. Now, yeah, so there's a few different, obviously there's the medical ketogenic diet. So what would you say your macros look like and what are your meals look like for your specific ketogenic diet? Okay, so protein is higher than you would have on the medical ketogenic diet, but not super high. I don't think I'm eating more than 120 grams. What's your source too? Oh, yeah. So grass-fed meat is my, that's my top source for whether I'm ketogenic or not. It digests the best. I feel the best least amount of inflammation. And so like, so, and then here's the other part, two or three days a week, I do a fast for most of the day while I'm trying to focus on maximal brain, you know, cognitive, you know, that feeling of being alert type performance. So today I fasting, for example, excuse me. So tonight I'll go home. Jessica's already preparing some grass-fed tri-tip. So I'll have a nice, you know, bit of that. I'll have some avocado with it and maybe have some nuts. So it's a lot of fat, some protein, and the fats that I'm getting are from the grass-fed meat. And then that just makes me feel, again, mentally sharp. So it's like sometimes- You know, digestion too, for sure. Oh yeah. Oh, well fasting for me is great for digestion. So it's like I'm either gonna go like, okay, am I gonna go and see what my strength performance can be? Am I gonna deadlift more than ever? Or do I feel like being sharp as hell mentally, you know, doing well on the podcast, writing more content for us, that kind of stuff. And so right now I'm going in that direction. Have you heard how Ben Greenfield does it? Like he gets the- How he manages to get the benefits of ketones without technically being on a ketogenic diet or fasting, really, just the way he- Does he take- No, just the way he manages his calorie intake and his carbohydrate intake and then how he exercises towards the end of the evening and then has a meal that is just barely gonna feel him and by the time he wakes up, he's, you know, he's pissing like he's in ketosis. So he does- He goes in and out. Yeah, he goes in and out. So instead of- I think there's benefits to that, right? That you do fluid. If you are- It's a new genre. Oh, I have an opportunity for a diet. I'm diet fluid. Ooh, that's a good book. I like that, yeah, that's right. I don't like to write that one stuff. Diet, I don't identify with a diet. Yeah, because I do think that there's opportunity for people who- And this is how I encourage it with family and friends that are asking questions about the benefits of fasting and the benefits of ketogenic diet is like, you don't necessarily need to run these things indefinitely. You know, I don't think that's a good idea at all. No, you can use what all the research and study says about ketones and how it's so beneficial and great for us. You can get into ketosis by fasting for 24 hours. You'll get in there the same as you would if you decided to eat steak only for five days. Now, the big mistake is that when people do this stuff to try to lose weight, that's the wrong- Now, some people do a ketogenic diet for fat loss because they find it really helps with their appetite. Okay, that's fine. But definitely don't do fasting for fat loss. We call that starving yourself back in the day. Totally bad relationship with food. None of what I'm doing right now has anything to do with aesthetic or performance goals. What I'm trying to do with my diet and the occasional fasting is everything to do with maximizing mental clarity and mental performance. That's why I'm sharing that on the podcast. First question is from CW Bauserman. If you're not able to get eight hours of sleep in a row, is it worth it to try to take a nap to make up for it? Well, okay, two things. First, you can't totally make up for lack of sleep at night with naps, but it does help a lot. Okay, so it's not like you're fixing the problem. It's kind of like a band-aid a little bit, but you definitely do get benefits. It's like supplements to whole foods. Yeah, it's something like this. You know what I'm saying? It's better than you not, right? But then whole foods are the way to go. Good nights, full nights, the rest. Yeah, so let's say you get six hours of sleep and you don't nap and you compare yourself to getting six hours of sleep with a nap. You're gonna get better health. You're gonna be more alert, less inflammation if you add the nap, but if you compare that to a full eight hours of sleep at night, it's not gonna be as good. Now, Adam, when you had, your Max is now, I mean, he's still a little guy, but he was just born not that long ago. Crazy how fast time flies, by the way. Sleep is obviously one of the first things that is just not the best when you first have a baby. Were you finding yourself napping? Were you doing anything like that? I actually didn't nap at all, and I'm actually, you're putting me on a front street here. I'm actually not a good example in this because it was only a short while. The 30 days where I was home with Katrina was the only real 30 days that my sleep was really interrupted. She's taking that on completely herself. So she has managed that once I read to him at night after his bath time, and I put him down sometimes. So we go back and forth on who puts him down, but after I put him down or she puts him down, the whole night shift, she has managed that completely. So I'm a bad example of somebody who's like your typical fathers who talk about not getting sleep all the time. But when I was, I would adjust my eating habits and then also how I was training based off of that. So there has been nights, I haven't been 100% perfect with nights since we've had Max, and especially in the first 30 days. During that time, I was modifying my workouts. So I was doing a lot of more like recuperative stuff, working in, I mean, I was not training intensely when those first three days, because I already knew that I wasn't getting great sleep, like to go in the gym and hammer the shit out of myself too, not ideal. I know they recommend to new moms to like nap with the baby naps to help make up for the lack of sleep, you know, at night. Here's the other part of naps that are awesome. Forget about making up for poor sleep. It does help, like I said, but forget that for a second. Naps on top of your good sleep that you get at night has muscle building benefits. You know, bodybuilders and strength athletes and strong men. You should put naps in naps. Yeah, yeah. It's on fire. Have utilized a mid-afternoon nap for a long time and have found they've all said that this is great for building muscle, this is great for recovery. But they need to be short. You don't want to go to... I was going to speak to that because I don't know if you guys have done a stint of a nap where it was like an hour or half hour or 10 minutes. I always prefer the 10-minute naps because then you wake up and you're a little more energized versus... If I go a little bit too long, it almost ruins the rest of my day in terms of me being more drowsy. Well, yeah, or you have the counter... Sometimes if I were to get an hour or a two-hour nap in the daytime, it screws up my sleep for the next night. Then I can't fall asleep at 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock at night. I'm wide awake till 2 in the morning. Sometimes if I have a bad night's rest, I'll modify my workout, pay attention to my eating because I also notice I have cravings all the time and then just tough it out until the evening and then I go to bed and get a really good night's rest. It's only when I have maybe a few days where I've strung together where I've had really terrible sleep where I'll probably end up in the middle of the day just being like, look, I'm just so ineffective right now. I have to just shut it down. So I've got this down to a science, okay? So I love using naps to reinvigorate myself and to feel better for the second half of the day when I want to give good attention to the kids and to Jessica when I'm home from work. So anything more than about 30 minutes, I wake up and I feel like out of it, maybe bad mood, a little groggy. If it's an hour and I wake up, I'm like a zombie until it's time to go to bed. So for me, it's between 20 to 30 minutes and here's what I do. Here's my hack, right? I go home. I get my headphones. I don't go into totally dark room because I don't want to go so deep in sleep that again, I wake up like half asleep. Do you do like a brain FM? A hundred percent. I put my headphones on. I go brain FM, 20, 30 minutes. It probably takes me about five to seven minutes to fall asleep. I have no idea. All I know is is about 30 minutes later, I wake up and I feel alert. I feel good and it doesn't, it doesn't interfere. How much are you getting that ram a lot quicker? You're such a bad example though, dude. You're the guy, like this dude. We're not even off the plane. Anytime we're in a car. The plane hasn't, yeah, plane, a car, doesn't matter. Just do good sleep anywhere. We're sitting on the couch. We're all watching TV, kids running around, just falls asleep. In the minute you go to mess with them, he wakes up. Yeah, like a spidey. This is a weird, like a soldier. Listen, brain FM, put it on 20, 30 minutes later. I need that. You sleep and you wake up and you're great. You're totally good. Otherwise it takes me a little long. And again, I don't do it in a totally dark room because then I get too deep in sleep and it's hard to wake up. Next question is from Shai G. If you find yourself having a hard time eating enough food throughout the day due to a busy life, what are some ways to implement more food beside protein powders? Do you use larger, higher calorie meals or snacks? Well, besides the larger, higher calorie meals, which you could totally do, that's really easy. High calorie snacks are an easy way to do this. Nuts are phenomenal for this. You know it's funny, they talk about how nuts are healthy. And yes, they are. They are healthy. But you have no idea how fast, most people have no idea how fast the calories add up with nuts. Like a serving of almonds is like 12, you know? And if most people end up eating about five servings at a sitting, nuts for me, one of the best ways to increase calories throughout the day. Besides protein powders. Protein powders is another one of them. No, a serving size is actually more like 23 to 25. But the point is that it creeps up quick. And I love to do that, Sal. Like I would, at the end of a meal, it's really easy to eat 20 almonds. Totally. You know, it's not, and then it's also an easy way to control. So I used to get those little tiny, little sandwich bags. They're like, not a sandwich bag. A sandwich wouldn't fit in them. You see, you know, have you guys seen them? You like to have the snack bags. Yeah, they're little snack bags that only fit like a couple ounces. And then I'd weigh out them in a serving like Sal was talking about. And that would be, it looks kind of like that. Yes, yes it does. That's something that I would do after the meals. The other thing, rice is so easy for me to take down. So I would boost my rice. I'm eating two cups with my meat or my meal that I'm having. Now this is two cooked, two cups. Yes. Okay. Yeah, which that's a lot of rice. It is. You throw some bone broth in there too sometimes. There you go. Yeah, you could do the bone broth with it. Like we talked about the protein rice. So I mean, that is something that I think is an easy thing. My body digested it quick. Here's what I have found when all these times that I've had to really boost calories. The mistake that I made consistently over and over again was thinking that I need to get this calorie intake and then I would choose these like really high calorie foods all the time thinking that that was the best approach. And what I would find is it would fill me up and then I'd be like three, four o'clock in the afternoon and my goal was 5,000 calories and I'm only at 2,000. And now I've got like the last three hours of eating. I've got to try and get 3,000 calories. It's I'm screwed. So I had to get ahead of the game. I had to do it early. And eating foods that were actually not super high in fat like my oatmeal and fruit and nuts like for breakfast and berries and strawberries like that for breakfast. Man, I was hungry. Those fruit smoothies or like fruit and veggie smoothies. Man, I was hungry a half hour later and ready to eat again. So making sure that I'm eating meals that promote hunger and not fill me all up because sometimes you chase the calories thinking that that's what you that's the way you need to go. And then that calorie dense meal ends up filling you up so much that you don't you're not hungry again an hour or two hours later where leaner type meals made me keep eating. So then when I hit midday, I had a good I was already halfway or more than halfway through my calories. And then I have for dinner, I have the ribeye steak. You know, I eat the foods that are a little bit higher in calorie or higher that are higher that are also more satiating towards the evening to boost the calories versus doing that early in the day. I got a calorie hack for rice besides cooking it in bone broth, which adds protein. You ever put butter in your rice? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I said I never did that. Jessica taught me that. Yeah, put it on everything. Put it, I know, I don't exactly. I'm so disappointed in myself. That's an easy way to do it. Nice big, you know, tablespoon of butter in your hot rice. Let it melt, mix up, add some salt. Oh, yeah. So good. Yeah. Or cheese. Next question is from Jose M279. What's your advice for someone who used to be chubby and is now scared to put on weight due to body dysmorphia? Okay, so again, I'm not an expert in, you know, the psychology behind body dysmorphia. I have a lot of experience with it just through training clients. And in my experience, the most effective thing I could do as a trainer for somebody who has any type of body dysmorphia, whether it be, you know, I need to build more muscle. I'm too skinny or I'm afraid to gain weight or any of that stuff is I would take their focus off of how they look and focus completely on performance. It was always the most effective thing that I found again as a trainer. So when someone would come to me and we'd have these conversations about body dysmorphia, I would say, okay, we're not going to weigh you. We're not going to test your body fat. I don't want you to look in the mirror to gauge your progress. All we're going to keep track of and focus on is your reps, how much weight you can lift, how fast you can move, all your strength metrics, your work load, how much more exercises we could do, your total volume. And then what ends up happening is a person moves their focus towards performance. And here's the thing, all of the behaviors that we have that are negative around body dysmorphia, it's hard to do them when you're looking at your performance. So in other words, it's hard to starve yourself and get stronger and improve your performance. So what it would do is it would just move their focus for long enough time to where they started to really enjoy the performance gains. And then we could sometimes go back to aesthetics or sometimes not at all. I can't tell you how many times I had clients with body dysmorphia that love the performance so much that they never went back to really focus. And then they would notice, holy cow, I look good because I'm just focused on my performance. I think too, I'm always having like this, and this same thing, right? So I'm like, I'm not an expert in this, but yet we've, this is a very, very common. And like there's a wide spectrum on this on how extreme it is. And I'm always reminding this person that, you know, the body that you're trying to build, right? It's the super body, the super car that we're trying to build. And right now I want to build the most powerful engine that I can. I care more about that before we start worrying about the aesthetics, the body, the frame of the car. Like let's build the most powerful engine we possibly can. And that is what we're trying to do when we're trying to build muscle because the more muscle that we can put on your body, the faster your metabolism is going to work, which is only going to make it that much easier for us to lean out and to build this physique that you want. So keeping them focused on, the goal is to speed up our metabolism and then focusing on strength like Sal is saying. I'm communicating that over and over so many different ways to get that across to them that stop worrying about the aesthetics right now of what we look like. Like the long game, we're going to get there. Don't worry about that. But we have to first lay the foundation or build the engine. And that's what we're trying to accomplish by focusing on the strength, adding the calories in and building muscle. Don't get caught up in the inches, the scale on the way, even what you may look like in the mirror. This is the long game that we're trying to do. And that's why you've hired me. And my theory around this really is, and I've experienced body dysmorphia personally. And there is an obsessive component to it in terms of the thought process where you kind of become a little obsessed with how you look. And this is what you think about all the time. And when I moved that thought process from how I looked to performance, I was still a little obsessive with my thought process, but it was in a healthier direction. And again, take the focus off of your body and how it looks. There was a gentleman that hung out with us at one of our last live events who was asking me about this. And I told him to, he was saying, oh, I weigh myself every morning and every night. So I know how much water weight I'm gaining. And I'm really keeping track. And I have this thing. And eventually he told me he's got a little bit of body dysmorphia. And I told him, I said, take your scale and I want you to put it in the closet and don't use it anymore. And he freaked out. And I said, just trust me on this. Take the scale, put it in the closet. Don't weigh yourself at all. I'll give you a timeframe because I know you're freaking out. So let's say 60 days from now, two months, you can weigh yourself again. In the meantime, I just want you to track your strength, your sets, your reps, your performance. And he came back, he emailed me several times. He's like, I'm getting stronger. I'm feeling better. I really want to weigh myself, but I'm not. I know you said not to or whatever. Well, anyway, at the end of 60 days, he got on the scale and the guy's body improved by him not focusing on how he looked and just focusing on his performance. I just think it's a healthier mentality in general. Like, even if somebody's coming in to just completely focus. Even if they don't have dysmorphia, right? Yeah, even if they don't have dysmorphia, it's just a better way to treat yourself. And I think we always speak to this in terms of punishing yourself by working out. Like, we got to get rid of that mentality. And that's definitely a component is viewing your body in a certain light and bringing that energy into working on yourself. And I really just feel that focusing on strength and actual tangibles, it's way more objective. Like, we got to get out of this objective of like, I look this way, I'm holding water. And this becomes an erotic obsession eventually, even if you don't realize that it is. And so I just think if people were able to kind of shift that mentality, because you're going to get to your goal. You're going to get to your goal by focusing on strength. You will get there and you'll make our alterations to make that happen and to achieve that. So your body is going to reflect it eventually. Next question is from KJSC13. I'm interested in working in the fitness field. I had planned to change careers, but I recently had a child. I'm nervous to gamble on a new career path in my current situation, but I'm very passionate about fitness. Is it possible to start it as a side hustle to safely test the waters? Or am I stuck until I grow a pair and jump in with those feet? Well, so I have two thoughts on this. One, I understand your position with having a child. When we started Mind Pump, I was in a different position than when I had started other businesses. When I opened my wellness studio, I was, I think, 23 years old. I didn't have any kids. And so the way I would do things is I would go all in because in my opinion, you don't know if something can work unless you give it your best. If you give it half your best and it doesn't work, is it because it wasn't meant to be or is it because you weren't able to give it your full attention? And so I would always give my full attention. But then I had kids, two children and a mortgage and all these other responsibilities. And we started Mind Pump and it was different. It was different for me because now I was responsible for other people and I didn't want to take such a big risk and potentially harm people that are dependent on me. And so we did kind of have to do it on the side. So it is possible to test the waters as a side hustle, but you're not going to get nearly the performance you would get or nearly the answers that you're looking for unless you jump all the way in. And so I don't know what the right answer is for you. I don't know your whole financial situation. I don't know if you have savings. That'll carry you for X amount of months while you're figuring things out. I don't know those things. So it's really a tough thing, a tough decision. Now, if you're somebody and you're like in your 20s, like, hey, I just graduated college and I don't have any kids. I'm not married and I'm still living at my parents' house. My advice would be go all in. You have nothing to lose. Go for it all the way. But because you have a child, it's a little bit more, it's a little more nuanced. I would still caution that person. I'm glad you share that story about you with Mind Pump because it's true. I mean, Mind Pump really did start like a side hustle. It was a passion project. We weren't focused on we needed to make money at all. It was something that we all felt passionate about and wanted to test and see, can we do this? So absolutely, you can do that. The reason why I would caution you, and I would even caution the young kid who doesn't have kids and has all time, it's a weird fucking time for our industry. It's a weird time for us. I mean, we have lots of conversations off mic about the direction of this company and trying to understand and figure out what exactly is going to unfold in the next 12 months and what is the space going to look like? I mean, they're already doing surveys on people that are saying that 25 plus percent of them will never return to a gym. That's a big chunk of people. So the landscape is definitely changing. It's changed in our two decades that we've been involved in. I mean, we look at us now. We were brick and mortar owning either facilities or managing and running them all one-on-one with clients. We don't do any of that anymore. So it's definitely evolved in our time and I think we are in the middle of it evolving again. And so I caution anybody who is thinking about moving into this space without really thinking about where and how you want. I do think, and following, I think there's value in this. I get asked this by a lot of trainers that are right now that if you are not investing in written content or virtual content, regardless if you want to be an in-person trainer or run a franchise studio, it doesn't matter to me. We live in this digital virtual streaming world now. There's a ton of value in starting to acquire real estate in all these different mediums right now, regardless of what part of the space that you want to belong in. I think that is a must. I think that is something that if you're concerned and you can do that on the side while you're doing other things, that that to me, when I think of the things that have made Mind Pump really successful or that why we have continued to have success, a lot of it is not the stuff that you listen to on the podcast. You listen to podcasts, you enjoy the show, maybe you identify with one of us, you like that or we present really good information. Probably Justin. That's, yeah, probably Justin. That there's- Love you guys. There's a reason, of course, while you keep tuning into the podcast but the podcast is just one part of this business, the other stuff that we don't talk about is the amount of work that goes into all the digital assets that we have, all the written content that's out there. That's really what, that's the engine of this beast. And so those are things that you definitely should invest your time in if you're considering going in this but proceed with caution because it's a weird time even for us. I know, I mean, I really didn't have anywhere to go with this question based off of what you just described. It's so strange, the landscape now and it's ever changing. And to see how companies right now are trying to pivot and adjust and like every gym has to have an online component now. That is like a new standard that didn't exist before all this. And so it's not the same old formula, isn't going to apply. Like I just go to a gym, I'm going to learn, I'm going to get all these clients. Like that whole thing that you have to just kind of reassess like what that's going to look like. And I do think though, there's obviously there's going to be space for all this and like an opportunity in the health and fitness space is just going to look a bit different. So maybe being patient to see what kind of those opportunities pop up. Like if it's for a tech company that's now promoting virtual trainers and they provide a platform for you to speak and start acquiring clients virtually, that might make sense. And they might be able to sort of like provide a turnkey option for that. Really the best thing for you to do right now is to get educated as much as possible. Try to do these online certifications like CPPS or like one of these that we definitely put. I mean, we definitely like love what they're doing with that. FRC, something like that. Just try to kind of really understand the environment you're dealing with right now. Yeah, but I will say this. Look, although the fitness landscape is changing, the demand for help in health and fitness is growing. I just read something this morning. No, it's just how it's delivered. Right. And I just read this morning is 12% of Americans. This is based off of blood tests, looking at blood markers and waist circumference. Okay. So based off those numbers, they estimate that about 12% of Americans have good metabolic health. 12%. So that leaves 88% of the country is in dire need of a fitness professionals services, a good fitness professional services. Here's the other thing that I noticed as a trainer, right? When I towards the end of my career, after I'd been training people for a long time, you know, my personal training rates back then were, you know, anywhere between 80 to $120 an hour. So it wasn't cheap, right? People would hire me and then they'd pay me every month for years. Okay. I'm talking, you know, some clients I had for 15 years, paying me this, you know, $85, $100 an hour right now. These are smart people. These are successful people. They always found so much value and what I was able to provide to them that I probably became one of the largest expenses in their life, aside from their mortgage. Think about that for a second. That's the power that fitness and health can provide people when delivered properly. So and I'm going to talk about the current landscape and a lot of this is going to be my prediction because it's still up in the air, but I predict the at-home workout market and the virtual fitness market is only going to, it was already exploding. It's going to continue to explode. I don't think the demand is going to go down at all. I think we're going to see an increased demand for virtual fitness or for fitness for children as schools continue to be at a service. And as they start to reduce their funds for PE and physical fitness, and now we're starting to see children being affected by poor health, more and more parents are pulling their funds together. I know this, I was just in a phone call last night with a group of parents and we're talking about what we're going to do with our kids because California schools aren't in. And I'm like, hey, would you guys like a fitness component for the kids? Physical education. Yeah, and they're like, absolutely. Do you know any good trainers? We would love to pull our money together and pay them. So you've got five parents willing to pay a trainer $100 an hour to take their kids through some kind of a workout. I love that space right now. Oh, it's amazing. So, and you look, you just had a child? I guarantee you, I know this already, I already know this before and probably still now, but I knew trainers, moms who just had babies who then service the new mom market in fitness. And they would all take their babies together and meet at the park or whatever and do- Stroller workouts and all that stuff. Strides, yeah. Huge, so this market, we're saying caution because pay attention, watch, try and be smart about it. But this fitness and health is not going anywhere. The demand is only growing. And if you look at the health of the modern world, and now it's declining, Western medicine has no answers. All of the answers lie in the fitness and health space. We are the ones that hold the answers to the chronic health problems that are plaguing us today. It's not the doctors. It's not the hospitals. There's no drugs. There's no medicines. You need to build a resilient body. That's it, right there, 100%. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube, Mind Pump Podcast. You can also find us all on Instagram, including Doug. You can find Doug at Mind Pump, Doug. You can find Justin at Mind Pump, Justin, me at Mind Pump, Sal, and Adam at Mind Pump, Adam. Never in real life do you do something like this, 15 reps, then you rest. Then done. And then you're done, then you go away. Could you imagine if your dad looked over at you, and you shoveled 15, and then you stopped for a minute and a half, and then you shoveled 15? How many more reps? Yeah, exactly. No one ever does that. You don't sweep the garage, and you're sweeping, and then you... Reps are irrelevant. Right, they are irrelevant. And this is where it has such...