 I hope you're doing well. My name is Ndanya, the gracious host. We're here with a celebrity, a legend, why raise a love child? How have you been? I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. Been a minute. It's been a while. Nice to finally meet you. What have you been up to? A lot. A lot. Still doing music, producing music for other artists. I joined the tech world, so I built a music tech platform called Blow. And it helps artists monetize their art much easier. I'm also into agency work. I started an agency. Blow is also a PR and marketing agency. So I've been busy, you know. You've been busy? What I'd love to know, because we're here to support Big Pin. How's your relationship with him? Pin is my boy, man. We've been in this music industry together for over 20 years, both. So, you know, maybe the one thing that we've never gotten to do is actually do a collaboration with him. How come? Well, it's just that I think the opportunity just never arose. But we've toured the whole country together with him, locally and internationally. We've toured together. We're kind of artists who hang out during weekends, you know what I mean? You're a boy's boy. A boy's boy. So when he told me I'm doing my Big Pin and friends, I'm one of the friends who come to support, man. You know, that's my boy right there. You mentioned you've been in the game for more than 20 years already. What is that one thing you can say has put you relevant for all over those years? I don't know, maybe the quest to be unique with my sound, you know what I mean? I never shy away from experimenting. I've always said, you know what I mean? I would shy away with working with the new acts as well. Because once you do that, your music spreads into their target market, you know what I mean? And there's your vibe that you can bring to their new music and create a whole new sound. And that gives you longevity in the industry as well, yeah. So you are paying to collaborations? Yeah, yeah. Check my track record. I've worked with old school artists, new school artists, man. As long as the end product is something quality and sounds good, why not, man? How is it working with them? You don't know you've been both worlds, the old school and the new school. What can you say is the big difference between old music and now the new school music? I think the main change is how the music is being consumed. So music doesn't last as much as it used to last back in the day. Back then you could survive on one or two singles in a year. Now you need to drop a single every two months, if not one month. You know what I mean? Because there's more streaming platforms for people to consume the music. So people get used to the music and get tired of it very fast compared to back then. Now also, well on the flip side, technology has helped us sell music much easier. And when it comes to things like touring, back then you used to have to travel with the whole other suitcase full of things. And then you get into immigration there and customs are asking you, chief, why are you getting to a thousand CDs in one box? So now all you need to do is make sure your music is online on the platforms. And by the time you've landed that side, people are singing your music back to back. So at least technology has helped things in that way. I see you till today. You still go and do tours outside. I feel like being unique and having the right team is what has put you there over the years. Do you still have the same team you started with? How many times have you changed your team? I haven't changed, maybe twice. But I'm also very, very hands on when it comes to stuff dealing with my business side of things. Both the creative and the business side. So I'm very hands on. So even if I have a team, I'm always checking up on them like this needs to work this way. I don't fully delegate and I think that's what kept me in touch on the ground with what's going on. I saw you there the other day you were with Nazism in Dubai. How was it? Lovely man, the club was packed, club culture, big up DJ Silver for making that happen. I think the whole nostalgia thing was what made the show a success. Because last time I toured with Nazism in Dubai was more than seven years ago. But me and Nazism. So it was a big deal that we were there together again. People are singing the songs from back in the days. Both me and her did our solo stuff as a new stuff as well. So we had a huge catalog then. So it was good. Your relationship with Naz? You guys seem to be very close. That's sister for life man, you know what I mean? We started this thing doing music together young, pretty young man. And I think that we've clipped ever since. You know what I mean? I did my first album with her. You know what I mean? So the bond is quite strong. So that means we have like two albums as necessary. Noise and a couple of other singles. We had East African Bashmen crew as well. So me and Naz are pretty close man. I'd like to know, if you were not doing music, what would you be doing? I'd ask the hardest questions in life. And because of that I would not answer it. We just give thanks and I'm doing what I love. Do we expect to see you perform today? Today I came just as a spectator. And you know I'm really on this side, watching this show. So this time I just want to chill and enjoy the show. I'm a big fan of Big Pin anyway. I think Nameless is performing. Big Nameless fan as well. So it would be good to see just what kind of show they do for us. And I've been seeing they've been at rehearsals like mad. You've been there doing the rehearsals? I've been seeing online. So I can't wait. I can't wait. I want to hear from you. Thank you for being there all these years man. Any time we're on stage and you guys are singing the songs back to back, it keeps us going. So we appreciate it man. Bless. And I want to hear from your brother Big Pin. Big Pin. 20 years plus congratulations. We love you. We can't wait for more and more music coming out for you. Congrats on the last album you launched. I came for the last album launch by the way. And yeah man, we're looking out for more and more. Lua Rap King man. Bless up. Lua Rap King. Lua Flo Rap King. Bless up man. Okay thank you so much everybody.