 Yma ydych chi'n gweld unigwyd gyda'r ysgolwr gyda'r ysgolwr.. ..ynghori'rhell yw'r unrhyw hwnny phos yng ngwynhau ym Llyfr five, yw eu rai'r osor i gweithg0r ym Llyfr five hynny. Mae'n entrelio ym Llyfr five fel ynghyd yn gweld unrhyw o'r ysgolwr ar gyfer yr ysgolwr gyda'r ysgolwr gyda'r ysgolwr gyda'r ysgolwr gyda'r ysgolwr gyda'r yn gwympg. Iawn, mae'n teimlo bod yn gofynnig iawn o'r cyfynghau. Mae'n bwyd yn gweithio'r cyfnod, ac mae'n cyfrifio'r cyfrifio, mae'n rhaid o'n defnyddio'r cyfrifio ymddangos cymdeithasol. Mae'n dweud ymddangos i'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio ar y lleol, ac mae'n ddod i'r cyfrifio i'r cyfrifio. Mae gennym ni ddweud, mae'n gweithio'r cyfrifio a'r cyfrifio ar gael. I'm going to introduce Tracy Ham, so Tracy holds the USSFB licence and the prestigious UAFA licence that she completed recently with the FAW in Wales. She's a former professional player with Atlanta Beat and she's held positions as technical director at Heritage Soccer Club, as the head women's soccer coach at San Francisco State. Currently Tracy is the head women's soccer coach at the University of California Davis, so that's Tracy. On to our second guest, Carrie Taylor, so Carrie holds the USSFA licence and the NSCAA or now USC Director of Coaching Certificates. Carrie has held the positions of head soccer coach for both the men's and women's programmes at Mount St Joseph University and the NCAA, being one of only five women who have coached an NCAA men's soccer team. She's held the position of director of coaching at United Football Club and Laguna United in Southern California, has been the assistant women's head coach at Vancouver Whitecaps. Carrie is currently the assistant coach for the USL Club San Diego Royal and as a result Carrie is currently the only female coach of a professional men's soccer team in the United States. So, two fantastic coaches and Tracy and Carrie, thank you so much for joining us today. Happy to be here. Thanks for having us on. Absolutely. You know, I would say I'm privileged to know both coaches, both Carrie and Tracy personally and professionally and it's going to be a fantastic webinar to tap into your insight and to your knowledge. So, without any further ado, we'll get started and we've got a host of questions. We might not get through them all. There's been so much interest but I will target the questions to you guys if that's okay. First off, Tracy will start with you. This is okay and then we'll ask Carrie the same question but Tracy, obviously a soccer is such a popular sport in the USA. How did you get involved with the sport and how did you develop your passion for the game, Tracy? I think I probably started like most American girls, your parents just throw you in the sport and they throw you in like every single sport and then the one that you like, you stick with. I actually played five sports in high school and so I just happened to like soccer the most. I like contact sports and so I ended up just sticking with that and happened to be fairly decent at it. I played at Cal which was like the best four years I've ever had playing just personally and just getting to play with such phenomenal players and I had a great staff when I was there. I think the female, I had a female assistant coach that just had so much passion for the game, passion for the school, a lot of traditions and it just kind of made me actually like consider it as a career. But I think kind of after I was done playing in college there wasn't a pro league yet and you just kind of find ways to stay in the game and on the women's side you really really have to love it and be passionate about it to you know, to kind of continue having it in your life so I was driving like a few hours like every weekend and a couple of days a week to go train with the team up in Sacramento and again like when you're when you're that dedicated and you're finding all these other people that love the sport as much as you do you can't help but like stay passionate and stay engaged. And then you know I got my master's degree from Boston University in sports psychology and kind of thought that that was going to be my path. I want to be a sports psychologist I felt like I had a really good grasp on the game, like the mental side of the game. But once I was going through all like the clinical kind of work for that I fairly quickly realized that I missed being on the field. And I felt like I was going to be much more influential as a coach than, you know, sitting in a room talking about feelings. So once I once I was done my degree I just couldn't wait to get started again and get back on the field and I just realized how big of an impact the game had on me and how much I wanted to impact other people, you know and give them that same experience and that same passion and zest for the game that I had. Fantastic, and we'll touch base on some of the things you mentioned because of obviously that documentary that we'll get into as well because I was privileged to watch that last night. Got to have a sneak preview. So carry it again if you want to introduce obviously the candidates, sorry the attendees go background and how you got involved in the game of soccer and where your passion developed. Um, yeah, thank you for asking. It, I never used to even like soccer. I literally started playing when one of the one of my best friends was like hey we need some more players so I jumped in a station wagon and went out to the field and played and loved it. But I got involved in coaching through my hometown we had like a summer sports program at which I would play in and then they needed some coaches so I started coaching when I was 15 and you know going into college. I played at the University of Michigan and back then women's soccer was still growing there were only very few division one varsity soccer programs so I went in and our team was club. And then my fifth year of school we got upgraded to varsity so we had like taken the time to have to hire our own coaches and schedule our own games and fundraise our own money so I was. I didn't realize it at the time but I was actually kind of coaching and doing all the bits and pieces and all the admin stuff while I was in college. And you know I'd always been encouraged by mentors to start getting your coaching licenses, you know, while you were in college and everything so I did that. And then probably the moment that I realized I really wanted to coach was my my fifth year of school, we had a night practice and I just had this feeling of like wow this is a lot of fun and you know this is my passion so I remember I went on a really long walk one day. And when I got back from the walk I called my dad and said dad I'm not going to medical school I'm going to be a soccer coach and a greater part of my life trying to prove that to my dad that soccer soccer coaching is a career and you know I've been fortunate to work in a lot of different environments and have a lot of good mentors along the way. And I just you know have really enjoyed the coaching there's ups and downs and you know a couple years ago I thought I was out of the game and you know I'm very grateful for the opportunity that I have now and it's it's you know soccer is the universal sport is the universal language and you know I'm biased but I think it's the best sport in the world and it unites communities and people and countries and so. Yeah, I wouldn't wouldn't have had it any other way, even though it hasn't been all that easy. Yeah, absolutely. Like you said, I was ups and downs and you know straight away we can tell from both Carrie and Tracy both your passions and getting back on the soccer path having opportunities in the medical professions and psychology professions and it is a sport as you both said that sticks with you and gets under your skin so. Carrie in terms of your coaching philosophy then how have those experiences up until this point and shaped your own coaching philosophy and methodology and what do you perceive as your core values when you're coaching players within the game. Um, good question. I think you know as a coach sometimes your philosophy changes as you get older and you have more experience and also dependent on the level that you're coaching. But I think you know the you mentioned the core values so like we have core values within our team of you know respect gratitude competition and compassion and you know not everyone's going to be great at all those things but when we when we make decisions or when things are are going good and bad we try to look back to those core values. What one core value that's like inherent within me is is just hard work. And that's something that, you know, you don't always have to be the most talented person or player but you can control your effort and your your work ethic and that's something that I think I got from like where I grew up in the environment that I grew up in. So that's something that you know I can control that and so that's just something that that you know hopefully I can impart that on the people the men and women girls and boys that I've coached along the way is you know hard work does pay off in the long run and so that's that's you know one of my big core values. Fantastic and and one of the things what resonated with with myself and I hope you don't mind me saying this carry was when I came down to watch you deliver with with the new USL club San Diego oil and the bricks. Oh yeah you were there for the bridge. Fantastic. Yeah, I mean you have to build in any program and any you know Tracy just took over a new college program and she and I talked offline about, you know, building a culture and building things and having a steady foundation. You know that's that's key to any program what whether you're coaching youth whether you're coaching you know high school whether you're coaching college professional is is having some foundations that you always can turn to and and you know uses a guide post I guess. Yeah, fantastic. Tracy's obviously on the same brain and I know you've had a lot of experiences even recently since since we met a number of years ago on the USFP license so how is your coaching philosophy Tracy developed as a result of those experiences and and what do you value within the game. Yeah, definitely. I think that the coaching philosophy is an you know ever evolving. You know, kind of entity and for me, I think when I first started coaching, you know you when you're coming from a playing background to now being a coach it's a much different role. As much as a lot of times you don't know except that you're not playing anymore. Still I still have I still battle with that. But I think when I first started coaching, you know it's like I always just was like let's just crush like everything is like 100% full effort let's go let's dominate. You know, and depending on what role you're on or like where you're in your at and your coaching career. I think just like with maturity and kind of understanding people, you know the biggest takeaways that your players are going to have is like how you made them feel about something or what kind of belief system you imparted. You know X is a nose and the tactics of the game are so fun right and that's what coaches love and we wish we had to only do that part but the main part of the role is really, you know, working with an age demographic and it's malleable right so for me I'm coaching college and these are, you know really important years of changing, you know life trajectories 18 to 22 year olds trying to figure out who they are on the world where they're going to go. So for me I really soccer is like a medium in terms of like coaching like life lessons so one of our biggest values that we have here that I've kind of had at every program because for me it's a huge personal value is showing merit and showing value so whether you're the most technical player whether you're the most tactical player or you know you're the best in the air or maybe you're the best player on the bench in terms of, you know, leading and managing people's personalities and disappointments like as long as you show merit and something that you have value to the program or the team. We talk about that a lot. And for me like my game philosophy and my coaching philosophy is, you know you lead by example, and I definitely agree with Kerry, you know, attitude and effort or everything because those are really controllable things. There's a lot other, you know what other items and you know other qualities that you know you want of a fantastic player fantastic team but at the end of the day it's effort and attitude. You know, and again that comes back to merit where's your value what do you, what are you imparting on your teammates to help them be successful. But really from a soccer perspective is recognizing where's your team at in their development. You know, and obviously the timeline for pro seasons is different than the timeline for club seasons different than college season. Adapting your philosophy based on the level, the qualities that you have from individuals and then just kind of the overall culture that you've created and where are you in that process also so being a new coach with a new team. We're just now starting to build that culture, but if you've been at a program for 10 years that culture should be set and you kind of already have those expectations and it's very team led. Now a lot of what we're working on is it's coach led, you know, and I'm hoping eventually we get to that point where I can really step back and have the team already know kind of what those expectations and standards are and then they continue to lead themselves. Obviously, both of you are in not a rebuild, a build from the ground up so to speak, and sticking on the theme of, you know, coaching philosophies and methodologies and structures. I'll ask Carrie this question first. Carrie, you're obviously working at a senior professional level. Now you're going to be judged on wins and losses when we do finally get into the season at some point. How does your typical structure of a coaching session look like within that professional environment? As far as what's a day in the life? Yeah, a day in the life in terms of what does that look like and what are the demands on yourself and your coaching staff? Yeah, so we have obviously our head coach, Landon Donovan, who needs no introduction. Nate Miller is our other assistant coach who coached in League One and myself and, you know, Nate takes majority of the lead in kind of designing the practices, but we kind of look at, you know, well, our periodizations out the window completely right now for this season because we have no idea when we're going to play again. But, you know, we have our, basically our team principles and what we wanted to get accomplished in our preseason, and we, you know, have our morning meetings and we go over what the training session is going to look like, who's going to take what, who's leading what. You know, we're all out there doing our bits and pieces. Sometimes we split up into, you know, attacking players and, you know, Nate'll take the defenders and Landon and I take a group or I'll have a group by myself. So we try to tag team it as much as we can. And, you know, in part like our training principles within the team and get buy in from the team and evaluate, you know, where we're at and how we're doing. And then, a couple of days a week, they lift and we always like have a meeting at lunchtime of kind of debriefing how to go, what do you think, who's playing well, you know, always looking to see who we think is going to be in that next line up. It's a real collaborative process on our staff. I know some head coaches do it differently, but Landon's a very collaborative leader and, you know, I'm learning. That's the one thing that Tracy and I also had a conversation about is, you know, I asked her why she went and did her license overseas. And it's like, sometimes you reach a point in your career where if you're the head coach or you're the DOC, like you almost don't have anyone to learn from. So, I think, you know, things like being on podcasts and listening to podcasts and learning from each other are super important because, you know, you never stop learning and this game keeps evolving and evolving and evolving. So, yeah, learning every day. And that's a nice introduction into Tracy's most recent experience with obviously going overseas and doing the prestigious UA for a license with the FAW and Tracy for those who aren't aware as being involved within a documentary around coaching. I'm not sure on the release date or where this is, but Tracy alludes to that. But the interesting thing I pulled from that documentary I was making notes throughout was the UA for a license, obviously being the highest coaching award because the Pro Licences and Management Award in Europe. 43,803 UA for a license coaches have come through that system and self being one of them, 1% of women, which blew me away. But even when I read that myself, I was fortunate to be on with a number of candidates for females, males from across all different levels of the game. But Tracy, in terms of completing that UA for a license, how were those experiences? And again, there was some high profile ex players on there, Peter Crouch, Mido. I think I saw Steve Sidwell and Robbie Earnshaw in there as well. So how were those experiences? And obviously we all know how competitive the pro level can be. And it can be doggiedog, but how were you received as being an American coach in Wales from those established professional players? Yeah, so luckily when I first got to Wales, it was really intimidating because you walk into the National Training Center and they just have like round table set up with people's name tags. And I was one of the first people there, like per usual, and you make sure everything's dialed and I had no idea where I was going or even really why I was there, what I was terrified. So I show up and I'm like walking around the tables looking for my name tag. And of course, I'm like recognizing some of these names and immediate panic mode, like why I make here, like what have I done? But it was really cool. And of course, like I'm noticing some of the names and I'm also noticing that there's like not one girl's name anywhere either. And so I'm already panicking. Okay. But it was really, it was really amazing that once everyone kind of filled in and everyone knew each other because, you know, a lot of them were either from England or Wales or grown up playing each other. And we had to go around the room and introduce ourselves. And of course, I was like one of the last people and I knew that people were like staring at my back for like an hour. Or like who's this girl a, you know, and so I totally stand up and I'm like, hi, I'm Tracy. Like, of course, like the like bubbly like California, I'm American like obviously you could tell, you know, and so it was fun because it kind of broke the ice like right away. Like they were like laughing and you know, I'm like, I'm just like so excited to be here. And this is amazing. I can't wait. But it was actually really cool because over the course of that that first week, a lot of those players hadn't really coached yet. Right. They're at the tail into their careers or they hadn't really had a ton of experience. And so I kind of quickly realized that when they're asking us to design training sessions and going over methodology that, you know, I knew a lot of what, what to do, right. And so they were starting to ask me questions is, hey, how would you run this session if we had to do, you know, defending in the wide area. Like what would you do and I'm like, well, I will help you. You know, so I got more confidence kind of as I went on. But you know what, it was really interesting because I really felt like there wasn't for as many talented players and experience in the room. There really wasn't any ego and it was like they were really there to learn. And it didn't feel like it was like a means to an end of like I have to get this license so I can coach it was like, there was like a very clear investment from these people and these individuals to, you know, that they wanted to learn they wanted to get better. So in that way I felt like it was like super respectful. I mean I had such a great experience that I couldn't wait to go back so when asked me to come back to do the ufa. You know, I couldn't turn it down like I just wanted another opportunity because I learned so much from them I learned so much from the instructors. It was a game in a very, very different way than I had been trained, you know, in the United States and so like I couldn't write fast enough, you know, it was like every single day my mind was blown. So it was incredibly valuable and I mean very rewarding and you know made really great friends with a lot of coaches and a lot of really, really cool people so it was amazing. There was a comment that I touched on in the documentary and I hope you don't mind me asking. It was around sometimes you feel that particularly male coaches explain rather than discuss the game in the presence of female coaches and that as a result sometimes you have to over explain your thought processes and your knowledge if you like. Just touch on that a bit in terms of you know how that process found out because obviously I've worked with you on courses and we've had some fantastic dialogues. But how did that play out over the course of the of the ufa raid you think. Right, I think you know I'd say like for the majority of the candidates it was like very respectful and there wasn't anything that was like disrespectful but it's interesting because I think this translates like not just to coaching it's women really in like any environment whether you're like in a corporate environment or really anything is like you know it for women in particular it's especially in soccer is like you're always trying to like validate yourself you know because you feel like you have to right like. There's not enough professional playing experience or you're judged on where you put in college or like did you play pro. And so for me like I know that I'm in a very very different boat like I in a lot of circles like I have instant valid you know validity because of my experiences most women don't have that. And so they're trying extra hard to show. Hey I know I have a lot of experience I might not have played at this level or I might not have done this, but I still know what I'm talking about. And I think that there's just a lot of environments in my experience you know with a couple of people in Wales was it wasn't there wasn't any it's not like malicious where they're trying to explain it to me it's like they just want to help. But it's like patronizing without them knowing that. And so I think what what the film kind of does is it highlights some like the nuances that maybe men don't recognize that they're like talking to you in a certain way and they're not trying to be mean or like put you down or disrespectful. It's more like they want to help you along because they feel like you need it where you're like, I don't. Thank you so much but like, you know and it's if it was like collaborative and you can actually have a conversation about something. And I know you're talking about you know when I'm going through a we're doing a match analysis with Chelsea and man you. When the guy that I'm working with, you know, happens to look over and he's like, so this is the formation. And you know it's like we've been watching for like an hour and I'm like, yeah, yeah, like I got it you know we've been doing this. You know, as opposed to being like hey why do you think that he's that they chose formation or like there's not like a dialogue it's more like let me help you through this. And that's fairly common. You know so really I think it's cool that you wanted to bring that up because for all the women that are watching this like I see you like we know what happens and it's kind of cool because you can actually even acknowledge it and be like hey like bro let's just like talk about this instead of you like telling me about it. It was a point I really picked up on appreciate you talking about that and it links nicely into what I want to ask Carrie as well because Carrie you've coached both male and female players now at a senior level and college level and in the brogame with with San Diego Royal. What are the similarities and differences in coaching both genders and do you think that you have to adapt your own coaching style as a result. Um, you know, the, it's a good question. I think there are some differences, but I think the older that I get the more I realize that every individual is different so that you need to figure out. You know what motivates player A versus player B not necessarily Joe versus Jane. I think that you know that's that's kind of what I've come to after after all the journey and I think players nowadays have also changed as opposed to players 1015 years ago as far as motivation and different things like that so the psychology has evolved as has the coaching as has you know the technical ability of the players and the tactical structures within the game so again it's always that that learning process. I do want to I do want to touch on something Tracy just said though as far as about women proving themselves or trying to, you know, have to explain. I mean, I think it's, it's not a knock on men. It's more of an unconscious bias that maybe, you know, it when you're around a majority of men all the time and you know there's a woman in the room it's kind of like sometimes they're not sure how to act or are sure like our knowledge level but once you prove yourself as a woman then and you earn the respect then it's kind of done. At least that's been my kind of circumstances and experiences so as far as the difference between coaching female and male players the guys you kind of have to earn the respect but again like once once it happens it's done whereas the women. They have to know that you care about them first and then they kind of like buy into it they don't care about your knowledge they want to know a little bit more that like you really care about them as a person. I think it's a really good point you may carry about everyone's an individual we're coaching individuals here within within teams and squads but know the individual and I think that's a really relevant point. So obviously carry on I'll stick with you for the time being within the USA obviously there's been a recent push for strong female role models in soccer obviously Cindy Powell there's just whether it be temporary or not but the presidential role within the US soccer federation. US women's national team leading the way on and off the field with Jill Ellis coach and consider both yourself and Tracy as strong female role models in the game as well hence why we invited you on but why do you think it is taken until 2020 or the last few years. But it's to happen in the USA when women's soccer has been huge in the US for you know been a global leader for 30 years why is it taken to this point you think. Very good question and I've been reading a lot now in this downtime coronavirus. And I just finished a good book called untamed and it talks about like our culture in general and how you know boys and men are supposed to behave within these constructs and women and girls are supposed to behave within these different constructs and. You know this is just my opinion but sport usually is behind business and politics and different things like that so I think that we're just now catching up with you know the quote unquote strong female role models I mean Tracy is a coach I'm a coach. I'm a coach was a gallamore is a coach Jill Ellis is a coach you know like that gender shouldn't really matter it shouldn't be like oh there's a good female coach because you don't really say that about you know we don't go oh Landon Donovan is a good male coach or Paul Bright's a good male coach so you know it's it's trying to. Just catch up with and break through some of the cultural societal constructs a little bit and you know we just have to keep riding you know going up the hill and sliding back a little and going up the hill and sliding back a little till we get over the top. Yeah so. No great really good points out and I couldn't agree more about your good coach your good coach. Tracy similar question to you as well do you think female coaches have a more difficult path to to hire in promotions and opportunities the male counterparts and again I touched on something that appeared in your documentary around 940 colleges have women soccer teams. It's only a third of which were coached by women which seems you know is there something amiss here. I don't have the answers. Yeah I think. It's definitely a different pathway. And it's different for everybody it's not you know coaching soccer in general like there isn't unfortunately like if you do this and then you do this then this happens. Everybody has a different path and a lot of it's unfortunately like kind of based on who you know rather than what you know. A lot of people get their first opportunities you know because they played for a coach and they know them or. I think what's happening a lot right now in the college game is you know all the male head coaches are like oh I should have a female like that's what the expectation is now so they're hiring assistant female coaches. And I think that that's actually going to change because once I mean this in a nice way like once all those older coaches that have been there for a long time age out you're going to have a really big wave of female coaches that have been assistants for a long time that are going to be able to step into those roles. So I do think that there's change that's coming at that level which is great. She's going to take time. But I think what's interesting and this is kind of goes along with what Kerry said is I think that you know there hasn't been change at the at the increase that we would want like as quickly as possible. Because I think for a long time like there just there aren't that many opportunities for women and when you're you don't want to question why something is happening like you don't want to rock the boat. So you're never like you know I think like a lot of the women the deal with like the lawsuit and stuff is you know they sign that contract. Right. So it's kind of on them in some ways but they also didn't want to not sign because then they don't get that opportunity like you're kind of forced into like making decisions whether or not you agree with them or not because you don't want to rock the boat. You don't want to lose out on an opportunity because you didn't take it you know because you like questioned you know well I deserve more than this or this isn't fair like you just you accept it because you didn't want to lose it at that time. And I think what's happening now especially with how vocal the national team has been is like that's changing or now you can kind of voice like this isn't fair like we should be getting more or whatever. But there's something like Abby Wombeck said you know I can't remember if it's like in her book or one of her speeches but she was like women are really thankful for the opportunity always and they don't you know like then that's it. They're not like cool let me take advantage of this like it's just like oh thank you so much it's like well yeah you're appreciative but we're not like necessarily creating those opportunities for ourselves and taking advantage of them. But I think what's also going to change is there's a lot of women that are now you know and men too which is the best part because we need your help you know is bring bring along women like with them like okay like I made it now you reach back and you take the next person with you. So in that way I think it's changing quite a bit. But the pathway is it is what it is you know right now and you just got to have some thick skin and get through it you know so rely on the people around you create a really strong social you know network around people that you trust that are going to help you get to that next level because that's kind of all that you can depend on and keep pushing yourself to learn more and get better and be uncomfortable you've got to put yourself in uncomfortable situations. Brilliant. Add touch base obviously both of you touched on it but recognising good coaches and I love that comment Trace about reaching back because you know it's important that we find the best coaches at the top level. Ultimately soccer is always going to be a glamorous game to be involved in. Everyone wants to be involved with it but we've got to recognise the top top coaches simple as that and provide opportunities. So fantastic. I'm going to ask a couple of questions what are coming in from the audience because my chat bar is blowing up and some really good debate. One from Corey Johnson here and Trace I'll ask you first but being as women's football is bigger than men's football in the USA what do you think are the benefits of downfalls of being a coach in women's football compared to different parts of the world where men's football is more popular and we can flip this on to Cary as well afterwards working in the men's game. Yeah I mean I think that we obviously like first little you know as I'm kind of knocking the opportunities that women have here like we obviously have profoundly more opportunities in the United States to coach you know than abroad. And I mean it's hard to I will tell you this like I'm actually really excited and it's been really kind of inspiring to see the response of you know European countries invest and not just their pro leagues on the women's side but really invest on their international teams. I think they're you know and I know that FIFA obviously is also you know said that they're going to come and they're going to put more funding into the women's game which is also really important. But you know I have like a big dream right of being this American female coach to go coach professionally you know in Europe and you know on the women's side or the men's like I don't know we'll see but like. You know right now women's soccer in the United States like you you can make a shit ton of money like you really can you know as much as like we're not making a hud of like run the tech industry will work for Google but like you know like we can survive you can make you make a good living here. Coaching girl soccer and I know that that's 100% not true which is you know you know abroad and so I hope that that changes because obviously I think that there's a lot of. Not just female coaches but male coaches that are fantastic that have to get out of the game because you know they have families and they can't afford to live on the salaries that they're making. But yeah I mean there's so many opportunities for women to stay in the game whether it's coaching or not here because you know we have a pro league for men and women there's just not as many but yeah. No great what Tracy before we want to carry would you would it be part of your ambition to coach in the men's game or is it no do you see yourself developing towards that ambition of the US women's national team or what where do your ambitions and your future pathway. Yeah. I think for me I just continue to like move forward and like whatever opportunities arise like I just want to make sure I'm prepared for them. And so I would love I mean I'd love to coach an international team like I'd love to coach the US but I'd also 100% be open to coaching you know another country. And on the men's side I think right now I just feel like I really like coaching this particular like age range of women. You know and I think being like you said like there's just there's not a lot of like female coaches that are role models that are in this profession right now. But I like I love the college game I love working at a university and kind of like what this environment is like and I'm sure I'll age out of that I'm sure I'll burn out of that you know. We'll see where it goes but I mean for me like nothing's off the table like I'd love to coach boys I think I'd love to coach men. I just love the game and I love coaching so wherever I feel like I can make the biggest impact wherever I am you know in my career where I am and like my you know my personal life and my growth. I might am someone that always likes new challenges so there might be one day where I'm like I got to do something different cool what's up with the men's side you know and kind of pursue that so we'll see. Right and flipping over to Carrie is someone who has you know the pioneer of the first you know and only current women to culture in the professional men's game in the United States. Question might be why and what's the driver behind that. If you would have asked me like even five years ago what I envisioned myself in this position I would have said no when I when I coach my college men's team it was more about the challenge and and the opportunity. And so I took it and that was back in 2005 and you know I stayed quietly under the radar and there wasn't a big there was no like no one really knew about it other than the people that I played against and and things like that. You know I'm I am grateful for the opportunity but you know the the challenge is making sure making sure to fulfill my role as a coach first and not not necessarily be worried about like oh like I need to do all this for female coaches like I have a job to do and I need to focus on that first and foremost but I also don't want to be. The only one you know three years from now or you know knock on wood I still have my job three years from now but coaches get hired to get fired but you know I want younger coaches to to see me and see Tracy and see Jill Ellis and you know. Aspire want to aspire to to to be in these roles because you know women can do it the game is the same it's soccer like men's soccer is a little faster than women's soccer women might be a little bit more. Actually tactical and not you know a little less physical but it's it's the same game and you know our brains are the same we can analyze things similarly so you know the the hope is. My hope is that other head coaches within the men's game see what Landon's done and said hey let's open up the pool of applicants and higher quality people so you know if he's willing to take a risk or open the door for me hopefully there's other other people out there in in the positions to hire that will look at women and will look at you know. Other races and genders and ethnicities and just you know make it what it is on the on the plain side which is multi cultural and also on the coaching side because I think that's the one thing within soccer is we need to do a better job of. Brilliant. So touching on and then we'll probably get to some more of the questions that so many coming in. Thank you everyone. So the women's World Cup final in 2019 obviously saw two female coaches lead the teams to the final Gilele so again fantastic track record and Serena Wyman from the Netherlands yet the majority of head coaches were still male within in the World Cup. Cary do you see a shift towards the female coaches in the future and also obviously you've got coaches like Inka Grings now in Germany working in the men's professional game and you know how far away away from seeing a female coach lead out of men's international team World Cup you know will this happen. Yeah I mean in my humble opinion I think it will and you know just looking at the growth of the game like like I said 25 years ago it when I was back in college there were two division one big 10 women's programs and in 25 years you know the number of college programs in the U.S. is exploded so now now there's you know generations of players who have come through have done their coaching licenses who are now on you know the roller coaster of a pathway to get into coaching so it's only a matter of time before that growth of the past 25 years gets to 30 and 35 years and you know people women are seen in you know those higher positions all across the world hopefully you know as trading Tracy mentioned the U.S. has usually always been at the forefront within the women's game and now other countries are you know breaking through their own cultural barriers and putting women in in those positions and you know putting them in leadership roles and Yeah I mean my my hope is 10 years from now we it's an all women's you know coaching staff at the women's World Cup and there's it's not a big deal for women to be coaching men or women to be you know in in these higher positions or being presidents of clubs or general managers of clubs so we'll get there it'll take time we just you know got a late start. Yep great great advice again and great insight Tracy I'm going to get back on to the theme of coaching for the final 1015 with Tracy and Carrie so Tracy I'll ask you this person then we'll go back to Carrie. What advice would you give to young coaches who want to pursue a career in the game because obviously both both yourself and Carrie have turned turned down opportunities to pursue other professions for a career in the game. What's what's the best piece of advice or bits of advice you can give for coaches young coaches who want to pursue a career in the game. Well I think the first thing and I kind of touch on this earlier is that everyone's going to have a different path. And so you can't really look at other people and judge the way that they got somewhere because you really don't know the whole story and you just really kind of need to worry about yourself and your own development and like the success and the opportunities will come with that. But you know it's really similar like when you're recruiting a kid and they say well I you know I should be going if this person is going to that school I should be going to that school or whatever it is like the comparison doesn't ever work because you never know what coaches are necessarily looking for like what the deal is or how it set up and so when you're going through the coaching you know kind of pathway and pursuing the career like don't judge it based on what other people have done. You know because it's never going to be the same. And also just acknowledge like you're you're not going to know everything and I think in particular for young female coaches. A lot of women don't pursue it because you know there's a there's a variety of reasons but one of the main things is like they're they're in an environment where they're you know they they don't feel like they're the best side or the greatest and they don't know everything yet. And it's like you you can't expect that of yourself when you're 23 24 years old like you're not going to know everything like you know I've been doing this 15 years and if I ever think that I know everything that I need to get out of it you know and so like I hope I continue to develop and grow. But don't you know you're going to have to have thick skin you're going to have to recognize that there's going to be people that have more experience that I have more knowledge and like to be open for that be open to feedback. You know and to educate yourself I mean that's one of like the main things like I just I you know at San Francisco State and at UC Davis I got. You know wrote a bunch of emails and kind of we got it figured out where US soccer actually paid for you know my 25 players at SF State and 25 players at UC Davis all the girls to get their US grassroots license so I mean I didn't make it an optional thing I was like I guess what you guys are doing on Sunday. We're going to use car hours and we're going to get our licenses you know and you just put them on a path and so now you've got you know 50 young women that all have their grassroots license that now I'm moving forward. They can get their D and by the time you know they're in their mid 20s like maybe they realize that they they love it you know and they want to stick with it but. Start your licenses now you know but really you know cast a wide net be open to moving you're going to move all over probably and you're going to you know work a lot because most the time you got to work an extra job and just you know it's all for the love of the game it's for love of what you're doing and if you have that you'll find a way to survive it and pursue it and you'll make it work so. You know that's my advice. You touched on formal culture education quite a lot how important is that trace in terms of getting those coaching licenses for for all coaches out there you place a big emphasis on that so. I do in some ways only because it's like a requirement for most club teams like DA and all that stuff to move through the DA or even the coach and like the NPL or like any league. You know there's like a basic requirement so you might as well start it now otherwise you can't even coach at all. Now pursuing like the higher licenses obviously that's like a massive financial investment and you know hopefully you've got clubs that will help pay for that. You know so it's not coming out of pocket but I think you know it's not carry carry said this earlier because we talked about it right is like it's not necessarily. Something that's like required or like essential to your development but at some point like you want to hear what other people are doing and you want to. Continue like there's no bad knowledge right and so a lot of the licensing you know our opportunities free to learn from other people and you might only take away one thing I mean there's some licenses where I watch one practice out of 50 and was like. Hell yeah that was the best practice you know and like there's little takeaways and that's valuable to me like why not you know and so. Just putting yourself in uncomfortable situations and you know you might be exposed but you know you're going to you're going to grow from that and so it's okay but the licenses are it's just more information you know it's just more tools in your toolkit. It might not be essential but it's certainly valuable if you can accept the information and you know try to try to find something valuable in it. Cary I'll ask you the same question and I was chuckling to myself when Tracy talked about moving around. Moving around you get yeah. What advice would you give to young cultures then? Yeah so I was taking notes and jotting things down by Tracy was talking. I think a couple of key things that you know if I were to look back on what I feel is important for people to know is if coaching whether it's soccer hockey or football or whatever if it's your passion like go for it. I mean life's too short not to follow your passion like if I went to medical school I never would have been happy I probably would have dropped out so like first and foremost like follow your passion. The second thing I would say is you're going to fail so like don't don't be afraid of failure you know. Not a ton of people know this but I went from working for the Vancouver White Caps to being out of a job and unloading boxes for UPS and like that moment of failure was actually you know something that I had to use my soccer coach. I was coaching in my soccer playing background to get out of and get on to that next job so you know don't be sidetracked by a little bit of failure. A couple other things like find good mentors along the way I always had people that I could go to that were looking out for me that would give good honest advice and sometimes like check me when I needed to be checked and so good mentorship is really important. And then you know within your coaching you're going to develop your own personality so like you can't step out there and be someone that you're not. You can't like take a session or go watch someone else and go I'm going to replicate this like you have to be confident enough to be you and whoever that you is that's okay. So you know make sure that along your your route you come in and grow into who you are as a coach and and be okay with with being yourself. And then the final thing I'll you know that kind of puts it all back together is you're going to work you're going to have to work hard like a lot of people see coaching as the shiny glitz and glamour thing and it's not all glitz and glamour like it's a lot of frickin hard work so and that. It doesn't change at the different levels to be completely honest like that that hard work and you know there's sometimes you're going to be like I can't believe I'm really doing this but like hey it's all for the team so like you just have to get it done so that's what I would say. Fantastic. Final question from myself and carry on I'll start with you here. What do you believe the future game looks like in regards to playing styles and philosophy on the field. And you know how how do you think you'll prepare your players for the future game and what's to come. Oh gosh that's a tough question because like I mean. I mean I think right now we're in kind of a phase where it's you know it's soccer is really dynamic and there's all sorts of different formations and that's evolved you know like I remember the first time I played soccer that was like a sweeper you know and like. You only played a couple positions and coaches only knew a couple formation so I think you know I think the growth of the game is more is hopefully less organization and back to some more creativity and and more flow within the game. And you know the players are only going to continue to to evolve and be more technical and more tactical as the coaches evolve with the game and more people are playing and you know with different philosophies and ideas and about the game so I think you know like I said in the past 30 years that 30 some odd can't do the math years that I've been involved with the game. It's really grown and you know 30 years from now when I'm when I'm gone. Or maybe when I'm you know on my motor scooter or something I don't know. I mean I'm old I'm 47 so um yeah I mean I hope that it truly becomes like the number one game in the US and I think it's on its trajectory to do that. And that it's open and available to all so that it's you know it shouldn't be dictated on how much money your family has it should be a game that everyone can be a part of and everyone can excel in. And and that it's you know that the US women's team continues to win and hopefully the men's team qualifies for the next World Cup. Really. Tracy I'll ask you the same question thanks for that Carrie in terms of what what does the future game look like in regards to playing styles for yourself and how are you going to impart your knowledge onto your players in preparation for this. I think this is like specifics that women's game. You know but historically the United States and like American players are just like so dominant athletic athletes and that's a lot of the way that they had the success that they did early on is that they're just more athletic and there's more you know more to choose from. But I think what we saw in the last World Cup. You know in particular with like Spain and you know in Japan is that there's definitely more of a shift towards being you know cleaner on the ball and having more more of an emphasis on technique and like Carrie said like more creativity. You know some of the most fun players to watch are the most technical ones you know like. You know Tobin and Megan Rapinoe and you know Roosevelt like every like everyone was obsessed with Roosevelt after the last World Cup because she was so unique in comparison to a lot of what the other players looked like you know not internationally. But yeah like I mean Spain like that was such a fun game and even their recent matchups you know in the she believes cup were really fun games to watch. It was definitely more of a shift away from just you know crush and run and long balls and just outrun people and beast people so I'm more excited about that part. You know I think actually the FIFA role changes are going to change quite a bit of that also like being able to build out of the back and play shorter and smaller. You know and so for me like coaching at the you know at the college level with older players you know my hope is that club coaches are watching that and the players that are working in the youth development. Recognize like what the shift where it's going so that they can help develop those players prepare for them to play more of a you know keep keep the ball on the ground a little bit more play kind of like a more a more clean game. But for me I mean it's a competition and athletes win athletic contest and I will never forget that you quote as long as I live because you've got to you know you've got to adapt and you've got to make changes and be flexible about your approach. And there's a lot of you know disparity at every level internationally like you know you look at US and you look at Thailand and there's different tactics and things that are going to be required for you to win games the college level. I mean Stanford is unbelievable you know and there's a huge range of different teams and so you've got to find a way to win it's a competition. But the game in particular I think it's getting it's getting a lot more technical it's getting a lot more tactically driven coaches are definitely preparing themselves. To be more strategic about their approach and more invested in their education and their their development so it's been it's been a fun change I feel like. I've I'm kind of and I want to say like coming into my own but really embracing where I'm at in my coaching journey and I feel like it's fun because I grew up playing in the very athlete driven. Kind of environment to now watching it develop and developing with us as a you know as a coach and shifting away from that and you know pursuing more of the nice game you know beautiful game so it's it's been fun. Brilliant and so that that's time for for the webinar and I just want to say a massive thank you to all of the attendees and of course to carry Taylor and to to Tracy Ham. So Tracy if attendees and coaches want to to follow you on social media is there anywhere we can direct them to. Yeah so on Instagram and Twitter my handles just Tracy Ham 10. Follow me and link to the documentary that Paul was talking about earlier it's coach the movie calm and there's the trailer for that it's right now it's in film festivals so it's like not available to the public but I am available if you want to do a screening what I've been doing in the past this past year is you know going to different clubs doing a clinic and then showing the film and doing a Q&A after so if you're interested in doing that you can email me or just you know follow me DM me on the Instagram but I also really quickly just want to say that we're starting a new organization that I think is going to help a lot of not just women in soccer but men that want to support women in soccer. Tracy either. We just lost Tracy. We may have just lost Tracy she might have jumped back on apologies for. I wanted to see what organization she was starting. If we don't get Tracy back on we'll definitely get that information out so Tracy Ham 10 coach the movie calm. The great mother she is. Tracy I just want to say I saw your movie and it's great so it was inspiring. Tracy was talking about your organization I'll just let you finish up. Oh yeah so it's just it's a new organization that is just yeah it's collaborative to provide different opportunities and to kind of connect all the women's committees that we know exist nationally that may not have like a main kind of like a main state all connect what we're doing and it's just a way to keep us all together share ideas do summits do conventions and just do whatever you can to enhance women's game. Brilliant thank you Tracy Tracy Ham 10 or coach the movie calm so thank you Tracy carry working attendees and coaches get hold of you if you want to reach out. Oh geez I said you guys a slide didn't you put it on. I don't even know my own Twitter handles. I like did the prep that you asked and put my slide on. I don't know it's like CT underscore SD loyal or something like that. Follow us at SD loyal if you live in San Diego or Southern Cal come see a game whenever we start our season backup. You can people can always reach out to me and email me carry or yeah carry T at SD loyal dot com. But yeah thanks for having me on Tracy great to chat with you and definitely want to stay in touch with you offline for sure. Absolutely brilliant and just a couple of things. CT underscore SD loyal is carries social media handle. I will get that image up for you and I just had a note from somebody about women in soccer dot org is the the venture that Tracy was also talking about. So that's it the recording will be on the coaching manual dot com carry Tracy is always absolutely fantastic to discuss everything soccer with you. Really appreciate your time and hopefully we see you both out on the field sooner rather than later once we get through all of this. So thank you very much attendees carry Tracy. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Take care everyone.