 Yeah, metal spit it out But it just got no also, I hope that that's I hope that's an idiom you you know That the we there was a guy in high school speaking of idioms that don't Translate necessarily that you're not aware of obviously when you are when you're in another culture or when you are learning a different language You have to learn that language or cultures idioms Because if you don't then it could be funny. So maybe you shouldn't so that we can laugh at you Yeah We had a guy in high school who was from some European country doesn't fucking matter but he was from European country and He got really confused once when He was getting picked up But not really picked up right because someone said someone's who's gonna take him somewhere because he didn't have a car to drive Here himself so someone said I will I'll I'll swing by and pick you up at seven And he was legitimately quite confused by this because he didn't understand the idiom for you know I'll pick you up means I'll go in the car and put you in the car and they take you so it was very amusing I said you know We There was a we have this guy in high school. His name was Valentino. I remember it to this day Valentino was from Italy and he was fucking weird Valentino once swung by we were in We were in Latin class because it took two years of Latin high school and when we were in Latin class Valentino He really liked McGeest who was the the Latin teacher short for McGeaster And he would he just like randomly came by while we were in class Valentino comes in Lord knows from where he was supposed to be he just comes in and he just starts talking with the teacher and kind of all Of us and he just starts hanging out. It's kind of weird that he's just there talking with everybody when he should be somewhere else and then It must have been ten minutes into his little visit and someone else comes into the class Someone else comes into the classroom, and he's like Valentino. Where have you been? We've all been looking for you We don't know where we don't know where you are. What have you been doing? So Valentino and almost like a borat like mannerism He he looks he looks to McGeest, and he says do not worry. I will I will tell her I had to take big shit Even the class and I know it was hilarious. Oh Valentino, I've never I'll never forget your strangeness, but that was oh he had it going on upstairs He knew oh Oh Discipline discipline me daddy. Oh, no Hey everybody. Yeah, we are doing it Dark side of the light side st. George and the dragon Can hear you Mola right now. What? They heard the Valentino story, right? specifically oh God all right, we're still good Moller wait what what? Moller you can't say that live but we're gonna get demonetized Moller doesn't really think that he's just saying that Just he's just saying that to stir metal up. He doesn't really think that those they're all there's barely any left And most of them died a long time ago, and they don't think like that anymore So Moller if you could plea I'm sorry metal that he said all that but he doesn't speak for the rest of us We know that you're one of the good ones. Did it work yet? Oh, there we go. Oh Moller are you back? It's so funny because even the recorded vision won't have it That's where the fun comes in all right, but I mean good for you I suppose good catch by the way because I wasn't looking at chat at that point So I would have gone for like a good 20 minutes That is good that they notice when they can't hear me means I matter so The Yes That's all anybody really wants is purpose. That's probably a line from something I was gonna try and explain the law Not that there's a lot But the once upon a time when we were when we were talking about Joker that awesome movie from 2019 We were like what if what if we checked out cinema sins and cinema wins at the same time? we'll see my episode I guess and See how they compare and that I believe that was that the episode we found that he blared the blood on the wall That was cinema wins wasn't it? Oh, I think so Blood on the wall behind that shit was so fucking funny when when Robert De Deere gets shot in the face He blared the blood of the wall instead of the actual That was funny. That was hilarious. That was actually hilarious The one time he made us laugh with joy was completely unintentional Yeah, well Protect my monetization, right? I don't know. I don't think there's a guy there with a hole in his head from a bullet At least you covered up the blood splat behind him. Well, we're so loud I've turned myself down when we talk for a little bit more and if you keep saying I'm lateral to myself down again I'm keeping an eye on you guys, okay? So there was that but we didn't do any kind of Point tracker in that one in terms of how they would do it. I think we just concluded sins one that I can't even remember We did a tracker back on the sin the joke one. I don't think so. Oh the Joker one. No, no We think I forgot whether or not we did it for the the MOM one Yep, that was like the big deal of the episode. What do you think of me rags? Do you mean do you think me? Yes, don't ask me that do you think me a person to not have my audio working at the beginning of a stream really Okay, I would never say that that would be cringe You would never do that ever Okay, especially not now. Anyway, we eventually did the MOM one and that was where we actually tried to devise some kind of System whether we have warded points based on I think the overall thing was just accuracy Accuracy modified by insight. I try and argue it in the quickest way possible We were evolving it as we went we're gonna we're gonna lay it out before we start today And then we're gonna choose a film that we consider to be very very very top tier good Instead of one that was very very bottom tier bad bottom tier bad. Yeah, so I Think is people gonna want us to do like a mid one after this, which you know, I'm bottom tier You have to figure out What if they both covered that we we consider like a five out of ten ish area So that'll be interesting too. But for now for today, we're bringing the fight back They both enter the ring and something I was saying before I got The realization that my microphone was was doing doing a naughty was that the world if you guys remember Enjoyed cinema sins for a time Maybe like a few years and then and then film people were like this cinema sins guy He keeps nitpicking. That's all he does when you know I would Grant the people who are fans of the channel be like well is that his thing is trying to find all of the things He could complain about in any movie It's like yeah, so that's that's real to be fair and if he's trying to be funny too He's like, oh, I understand that I can work the problem I was having with him and many people had with him was that they weren't very good videos. They just there's There was that problem and then the problem of well sometimes their real observations sometimes their jokes sometimes They're deliberately inaccurate And then you get to a point where it's it's like oh Okay, how am I meant to how am I meant to know or understand when you ever make a mistake? Or if it was intentionally incorrect It just makes for a confusing watch but for a good shield for yourself. Mm-hmm. Yeah Exactly yeah, and You then got like hyper haters to the point where there were posts In different places on the same day was basically responsible for everything wrong with film criticism today They would say stuff like like they would say the mauler is the result of someone like cinema sins I'd be like I never liked the channel I Was still caught up in there He he walked so that I could run and that's that's just the truth of it Simpsons died in the Amazon while researching spiders I was gonna go with the angle of like cinema sins is this giant spider and Mola was like a flyer that was flying through and he's like Oh, no, I'm caught and then cinema sins was like I'm gonna infect you with the flisms. Oh, no No, no, no randoms here the fly was like help me Yes, yes That reference No, I'm just new groove There is a Simpsons reference for spider in a spider web that saying help me those and there or my was my brain lying to me Yeah, that was when Bart was turned into a fly. Yeah, well, that's I think that's what the joke is from Yeah, I think emperors new groove was was parroting that joke when the flies I help me help me Oh my god, there's too many references at once exploded Damn, we had a Simpsons joke and an emperors new groove joke all in one True, they both referencing the fly Or maybe they're both radioed here Which is yeah, I'll have three references and run. Yeah, damn I mean the emperors new groove may have been referencing the Simpsons. I don't know the Simpsons episode I I don't even know if I've seen it But I don't think it's referencing the fly directly unless the simpsons fly For the record for anyone confused. It's the old fly not the the Kronenberg fly So now it's like the reference is just pouring in Those are the jokes I actually kind of like there's a couple of jokes I liked from this is the end if anyone saw that movie Yeah, with Seth no fucking Jonah Hill's character. No Jonah Hill's character who would say to a J bar shells character, I think that you'd like reference a movie needs like he's like, oh, yeah, bro He references just out of control The cringes shit like what cuz he was like trying to suck up to my thing I can't remember that movie. I just remember being like a mixed bag of oh, that's funny and then oh, that's cringe But I also feel like I was the only person on earth that saw it, but maybe not Backstreet boys were in it. I saw it, but I forgot about it No, the other ones He was about to say Seth Rogen Seth Rogen is in it, but I was talking about Joe to hell I don't think Seth Rogen says that the reference thing Uh So the the cinema sins was hated Considered evil Devilman who reviews movies and ruined stuff and to be fair There's several videos taking him down so to speak that are pretty good. Um, I Have my plenty of issues with him. I think we had covered him Well before even like really getting into covering cinema wins like separately You know, we'd cover them like we did the infinity wall video from cinema sins back in the day I believe and we were like wow, this is terrible and then we did mmm The very famous rise of the rise of Skywalker cinema wins video where he said What the movie rises Skywalker curse of the black pearl where he said Where he said if you just pretend it's what you wanted then you'd like it Classic and so, you know Maybe just pretend it's what you want when you watch it and see if that helps I mean, I guess definitionally it was my brain work like that That was when it's like it till you make it essentially Yes, well, it was yourself in the mindset to where you will like it and you will like it I would argue it's one of the the craziest things we've ever heard from anybody because it's there's just it kills analysis There was the point anymore Imagine that it's something that it isn't yeah. Yeah, just pretend it's something that you like Choose what I like then I mean, I would just choose to like most things Something you don't choose to like like cigarettes or cocaine they choose for you True so we we then fast forward again to being like, you know So this is like yeah, he's a cringe of bad stuff, but like he's not like the fucking Actual Satan of film review. This is insane and and then you see people being like wins He's the one who's healing the world. He's gonna get us back on track because positivity and cinema needs to happen again And you know, you're like, well, sure Positive it's about like where it's warranted. You wouldn't want to praise Randomly or rather not even randomly just completely Because then that undermines and makes meaningless Criticism and praise all of it's out the window if everything is praise worthy But what if the channel was only praising what is praise worthy and that there's always something to praise in every project That's made in there in the world of film Let's do it. What's what's to praise about rebel moon? Well, surely random film talk chef to answer that he's the one that did the Random. Yeah, that's right. You made a video. You are the resident expert of rebel moon What is what's something that you would praise about rebel moon? Was the camera on a song of child and fire. Hmm as far as I can remember There is not a dead pixel this time around Yeah, he paid attention to all of the pixels instead of most of them this time which I guess is It step up like at most of them are out of focus, but you know, it is at least a step in the right direction Yeah, blurry is still present blurry is something you just can't see what you know, what it is Actually, that's true. Sorry Anthony Hopkins that genuine answer Anthony Hopkins is the robot I liked there you go So, you know that praise video wouldn't be long But you could probably extend you just talk about why Anthony Hopkins is awesome for about half an hour Then you'd be like there you go half an hour praise of Rebel moon Yeah, just just imagine if all of the actors were played by Anthony Hopkins I know that you know, they're not but if they were just you know, imagine that and then you'll like it Oh, yeah, yeah, I can imagine like a group of a dozen Anthony Hopkins carrying a tiny Anthony Hopkins Into a barn so that Anthony Hopkins can begin to attempt to mass rape Anthony To save Anthony Hopkins from Anthony Hopkins We're going with that someone deep fake that right now. No, all the don't Oh my god, nobody's why there's mannerisms and everything. Yeah So, yeah, that's a that's a brief history that makes complete sense, right? That's the lines up there or since overpraise is so lame and frustrating and so it's like, you know what? whether or not we even Sorry and you said sins over hate you meet sins over praise you mean wins, right? Oh, yeah, I would have meant wins the The I think my brain was just getting mixed up so saying that I wanted to say the over praise and over hate You know for both when yeah, I think the intuitive position for a lot of people is okay But wins is better and then we were like, I don't actually think so. I'm not sure we were compared though We were like hmm. And so that kind of gonna birth this series. I'm calling it a series It's been this the third time accounts It's just that it's the further though this one and the last one we're done, you know With more precision. I'll put it that way and I'm excited for this one because you know There's been a request by a lot of people and matches in a lot of ways We were very happy with the last wish. There is a Potentials, you know the ten hour video in terms of praising everything you get in that film So I feel like wins is really good. It's one of my favorites. It's I got a real Yeah Compared to last time around when we're reviewing multiverse of madness one of the worst films. Yes I mean that really sets up cinema wins in a difficult spot this time I mean goddamn this should be easy, right? But e-fap is nothing if not fair That means that we're really fair. Yes We want to give wins a fair shake. He's got a chance not even a fair shake the full advantage He couldn't couldn't be in a better position. There's There's just so many things you can praise about the production of this thing. Meanwhile sins He's gonna be relying heavily on jokes. I think What stupid shit he says or maybe you're forgetting the possibility that maybe the last wish is a real stinker And we just haven't seen it this whole time Maybe we're just blinded by our our love of the animation and the themes or the hot wolf And we're not thinking objectively and our minds are also a slurry of nonsense So maybe he'll show us the way he'll show us the truth in a walk away with another big dub That's nothing though a pussy on the brain Sins from memory even with films that are like the best ever all rather films that are like mid-heel He'll still have like a just all kind of jokey ish. Maybe Does he like ever get emotional? I don't think so, right? You know like expresses a thing of like, you know, fuck this movie. It destroyed the franchise that sort of stuff. I Don't think I don't think I've ever seen him do that. No, I the one thing I do remember is when he I think It's the end of one of his videos about We're talking like 2015 would have been a superhero movie or something but I saw in someone's video where he says The Marvel shouldn't even bother releasing Civil War because Bama Vista Superman is going to annihilate them Yeah, it was funny That is funny good good comedy. She's all BVS. Yeah, that wasn't even like it was done in a bit of light You know, we all know we all know the BVS has got a fucking kick ass I mean, it was directed by the legendary director of Rebel Moon. Yeah That was great. So why wouldn't more great become from him? Everyone watch Army the Dead. It's so good Very good Almost want to promote it because nobody has seen it Like nobody's aware of what that was It's like a secret weapon. You kind of know about if anyone ever if anyone ever talks about how amazing Zack Snyder is He could be like well, I understand that you feel that way But have you considered this and then you pull out of your pocket like pocket, especially if you like sell it I know like oh Everything's a blurry. I can't see anything all team of mercenaries with different characters and history is getting into a Vegas heist, but there's one problem. It's infested with zombies if you sell that someone who likes Snyder and they haven't seen it yeah, I I Meant to ask you guys, what would you say is the worst Snyder film rebel mode probably army the dead I Could see arguments for both. I think yeah It might yeah, it's I would need to rewatch them, which I won't do ever That's true It's an advantage that he has is that I'll never watch his films to double check and make sure that they were actually that bad But it's either army the dead or rebel moon. It is between those two. Yeah, yeah, if I was gonna rewatch one Maybe that's the way to answer it. Which one would you rather watch? Because I do believe that they are basically yeah pretty close to being as bad as each other But I think that there's a certain For me, I think rebel moon annoys me partially because of the matter of like wow you got this huh like well for any of the The release version of rebel moon is actually shorter than army the dad. Oh, is it? Yeah Extended version will be longer than Those things I think I'm gonna change my answer. I think army the dead is worse if I was gonna rewatch when it would be rebel moon You ain't getting me to rewatch army the dead that's physically unpleasant. Do you remember that probably fucking kill that guy? Yeah, they sacrifice into The guy from sons of anarchy I can't remember his name We're talking about army the dead right now No, I know I know sorry the guy that you're talking about an army the dead is also in sons of anarchy if I'm thinking of the right guy You might be I've flushed a lot of that film from my memory. I just remember that part absolutely Just just killing us who's what's happening. It was the it was a wild moment. I Think that Army of the dead is the only movie That has made me physically look away from the screen to the wall and focus on it Just to make sure that my eyes were still functioning properly Pretty sure I had a headache when we finished it and that's rare You just see something in focus. I watched a lot of movies in my time and very few have ever caused me to have a headache Yeah, that's why I think that I'm gonna have to say yeah Thinking about it army of the dead is worse because how physically Unpleasant it is to watch in a way that no other movie has been for me Congratulations You did it Can't wait for a rebel moon 2 and rebel moon 1 extended And now I see that all of us are in this this Well, it's watched together we can we can start up we can rev it up We're not gonna start just yet because we should probably have a little preamble on just you know Put some boots last wish we've talked about on you've had before what a good movie What an excellent film what a tightly written Wonderment that it is and that we we very much celebrate and recommend and is in the running for best film of the year of 2022 Yeah It's it's like I said in the running probably doesn't win But top tier and definitely the running for best Dreamworks animation too, which is a not easy thing to win No, cuz up there you've got the likes of Trek Trek to come through Panda About that movie. How did you forget? It's he's very prominent in the Dreamworks montage at the beginning Poe shows up and Geek takes a bow and then there's boss, baby And now they're like, oh, we gotta we gotta have the kid. He's gonna fly past all of our IPs before You know if you go into fish Wonder if Sans will hit him for that In my you know what He needs to get in the punches where he can he needs to take every opportunity to score on that Good the last wishes that you have to look beyond that film itself. So like yeah Problems with it. This this might be the only time where it's acceptable for him to bitch about the credits. Yeah Well, we Because yeah, I was gonna say that we sort of said this is gonna be difficult for for sins But in the vein of last time we let sins go first Because it was almost like home team advantage in a sense and that wins is gonna have to crawl his way Into into trying to defeat him. We will do the reverse this time the home team would be wins He's he's got a movie that provides him all the answers So there's no way he should lose this and I genuinely like if we do some betting I think wins-wins I don't see how he can't win there's so much to compliment about the last wish by way of the character riding and how Tied to this thematically and obviously the incredible art and animation the music like it It's just an incredibly impressive film that is easy to well It's it what would be interesting as if if there was the feeling that he had gotten everything or a lot You know that there weren't major things that he was missing that might be the more interesting part like how How comprehensive is the praise of the film? That's the thing though. He's gonna get a point if he can just say hey This was here and then later. This is here. We're gonna be like, alright, fair enough. He got it like Saying the too hot too cold just right they do that payoff like three different times if he points them out It's like, yeah, it's a point. Yeah. Yeah, exactly And I guess to remind people because yeah, there was the point system where I believe the way that it worked last time was One point for just a correct observation two points for an above and beyond like detailed correct observation Zero points if it's nothing or lame shit joke And then negative one if it's just incorrect and negative two if it's profoundly astoundingly incorrect. I Think that sounds good. Yeah, the way I Wrote it if anyone wants to use this to play a little game Themselves with their friends because I think this is quite amusing to have these two fight each other Who can better represent a film and really helps prove the point of accuracy being important when you're a reviewer Is essential for me said but just with different words plus zero or zero I guess for an observation We do not give points if you just say Anthony Hopkins is the voice of the robot. You're like, yeah You know, you know titles or yeah, just because you give yourself points for that doesn't mean we will to give an example of how you could change like like so someone said return of the king has Christopher Lee is a Saruman the ding for a win Like no point But if they said that his death references him playing Dracula and they staked him And that's part of the reason for it. It's a really fun little like like fun fact reference, blah, blah, blah Who'd be like, yeah, that's fair. That's a point like even though it's meta not necessarily connected. It's still Factoid slash referencing insight, you know, they may have gotten it for someone else They may have gotten it from just reading it themselves either way as in like reading into the scene themselves But they'd get a point for that and then if they can actually say something that's just like whoa You just made like three different praises in three different ways all in one point You gave it one win is like that that will give you two points for that and obviously the negative ones are just inverses of all those when you're I hesitate to use the word lie when you've misreferenced or missed information or misunderstood and then negative two is when you do it dramatically like you've Really fucked up, which I don't think we gave many negative twos on the last time we did this, right? No Probably not we want to make sure that that's it's like the plus twos is difficult kind of special. Yeah We actually had a lot of like nothing's for I remember. Yeah, it's a lot of nope. Not nothing. No zero Wasn't he didn't he say like Sam Raimi and that was it. It was like Sam Raimi win. It's just like you can't keep doing that Yeah, you got no points for that How many points did they each end on in the MOM video it was Did wins even get to zero It was that sins one convincingly. It was way ahead. I think I watched it fairly recently And I seemed to remember that wins he was either on like minus two or he was on two It was something like that. I believe he struggled to reach zero while since was Jason run away with it Okay, which is like like so the reverse should happen. It's like Focus on the defeats of yesterday. You have to focus on the victory today. Who's victory? You know the winner. Which one's that who's that gonna be? Oh, you know, I'll we you know, you know It's the funny thing a lot of people are saying like wins gonna lose. I'm pretty sure he's gonna win this This is incredibly difficult Yeah, that's the whole that's a whole idea because multiverse and madness again It's one of the worst movies in general. So that was very difficult for wins Conversely, it's gonna be difficult for sins to point out things that are wrong with this film Yeah, I mean Like conversely, it's this really should be an easy win for wins But at the same time if he's only gonna praise things that aren't gonna get him points Or if he's just gonna keep reiterating the same thing or making jokes or whatever then And really if he didn't keep in mind the e-fap scoring system when he made his video He's the only person to blame for that. Exactly. That's true. Yes. I Would also I'm curious. Do you think that it is more difficult to? praise multiverse of madness or neg or whatever criticize the last wish Assuming you have to be accurate and all the rest Assuming you have to be accurate because if I was fucking around and just trying to like focus on the individual components of multiverse and madness And then divorce them as much as possible From the totality of the story then I'd say it's probably easier because you'd be like, oh look at this scarlet witch in this scene And she's so sad and that's amazing Praise from land we can rely heavily on a lot of the performances And then you have to focus on the differences in each time like different emotions So you're changing it up a bit Costing design you can talk about that for a while and how excellent is that design for a lot of sequences lots a lot of the special effects This some edits. Yeah, like you said, so yeah, I think it would be much easier to praise MOM than than shit on Last wish. Yeah, I'd say so so what we've just proven by saying that is the sins is at a bigger Disadvantage with this one than wins was I think yeah, so it'll be interesting to see how again I think it's more so what's gonna be interesting in this one is what is the nature of our wins praise when the film is good and Also, just kind of like the thing that that kind of format invites anyway, which is if you praise everything Does that in some sense devalue the praise that you give to things that are actually worthy of that praise You know when you're like when you have the attitude of all well, you gotta be positive about everything It's like well damn like what happens when it actually earns that what what happens when the film is worthy of being relentlessly praised There's got to be a film The sins could sorry wins could cover that would be like offensively bad that maybe disrespect something in history And that you'd have to break character Would you not to be like this is actually a bad film and the reason is Yeah, he wouldn't cover that yeah, yeah All right, so one thing I want to do before we start is we'll just do some betting But like with actual numbers, so what we'll start with the well me I'll just use me as an example, right? So I'm gonna go ahead and bet the wins ends up with by our scoring system 15 points and sins ends up with negative 20 negative 15 I'll go with Okay The way I've listed this so because I can keep track of them rags if you want to go next No Yes, oh Okay, oh, I was just being asked if I wanted to go next Let me see I will say that cinema sins will get Five and Wins will get these are final scores as well, but of course 25 You think sins will get 25? No, no wins will get 25 sins will get five. Okay Fringy I'm gonna say that wins is gonna do better than that. I think I'm gonna give him I'm gonna give him 40 I reckon all right and I think I think sins is gonna I wonder how in the negative sins might end up I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say that sins. Let's say negative 20. Yeah negative 20 metal I think sins is gonna be negative 10 and wins 27 Okay meme Hmm, I think a Something in my gut tells me that wins is somehow going to pull some kind of fuck up here despite everything going for him Just because he managed to you remember last time he managed to put wins for things that would be sins and things that he was Somewhat I have a feeling you might fuck this up big, but that's why I give him plus 15 I was like I feel like that's a good amount of actual things. You'll say but it'll be counted Because remember remember if it's our job to tell whether or not he gives it Accidentally wrong praise like if he praises it for something it didn't actually do who'd be like, oh, well, that'd be a negative point if that happens Yeah, so I'm gonna be I'm going to I think I'm gonna be conservative and say that at best he wins will get 10 and Ooh for sins is difficult because he did much better last time, but then again, that was a very negative film. So Hmm perhaps Maybe a two for maybe a two for sins, but I'm not entirely sure Yeah Yeah, and random film talk So I'm kind of basing this on their performance in the MOM video. I'm gonna go with wins is gonna get five and And I think sins is gonna I I feel like sins might actually win this Wow I think I think it'll be by a hair I think he has the potential to win this but Maybe I'm just too cynical about wins. So let's go with an eight for sins Okay, we have I feel like someone's gotta be right like that The idea could be wildly off. I'm practically just guessing I have no clue Well, we all have some form of a rationale, but yes, there's no way we're gonna know what's gonna happen here We don't know enough about the fights to know how this will go exactly they're facing a lot on the really on At the MOM one, which is not a good way to predict how it's gonna go in total, but You know, we're wins and sins a fish in our toes to a small extent We get we this is gonna I'm sure we've we've got this down perfectly at least one of us Like I said, as long as one of us gets close, I feel like we've nailed it. So Yes, we start with we're starting with wins. Aren't we? This shall be interesting Alrighty, well, there's nothing else for me to me to say or to set up. I think we're all ready to go Let us let us venture into the world of cinema and the assessments of it We're told like I said that this this guy this is the one that's kind of fixing up film reviews So it's kind of cool to see this in person and just to share it with all of you. It'll be so exciting Oh boy. Yeah, dude. Yeah, we go obligatory mention of when he did this with Black Widow and there was screaming children That was perfection Even I'll admit that this is extra but honestly none of us can judge dream works for this new logo Marvel does it DC does it One You know what's crazy how do you said I know some people find this to be extra But I think there is nothing wrong with like the celebration of the work that you've done for so many generations all in one Like a bit of an actual argument. Yeah, like if rather than saying other people do it. Yeah Yeah, I mean, it's it cuz I mean again to repeat the point Like the original dream works logo like title screen is it's pretty great. Honestly. It's uh, it's like really chill. Yeah And it gets you it's chill Movie it's it's um whereas this is it feels like this is the era that we're in look at our Intellectual properties look at our Aren't you excited to see another you know how to train your dragon aren't you excited to see another Shrek movie another boss Baby movie How they're a I was just saying there's so many ways you could you could justify this? Opening we're in terms of an artistic choice, but he just you went for like the lamest fucking argument in support of it ever Yeah, which is super lame because it's like cool, bro. We lost a better one in favor of this. Thanks appreciate it They're doing it And you feel it feels like he's only comedy got it because he knows that other people hate it Yeah, which they dislike for well as far as I'm concerned totally fair reasons This is lame it'd be like if they replaced the Pixar one with I don't know the Luxo Junior running past like the Incredibles and you know woody and bars and everything and and and they were all waving hi Like doesn't that just sound like the worst thing in the world? I Think they'll probably do that at some point. I could definitely see them doing that Again like that's one of my favorite introduction like title cards ever and I would be so upset if they ruined it So it probably deserves a bit of explanation. It's like so how would this be a negative one? It's like well, it's bad argument in favor of Celebrating an element that seems to be what the argument would be from our end I guess The rationale that you used here is terrible It's well everybody else is doing the bad thing so why can't dreamworks do the bad thing rather than trying to defend it Honestly, that's crap So yeah, just to be clear observation accurate reasoning Flawed I guess yep negative one point. I think we're all agreed on that as well. That's what we need to make sure we do Is everyone agreed on me? Yeah? Yeah, I'm happy with that I don't want to I don't want to be the one guy who's disagreeing, but I'm The rationale that the crappy rationale that takes away something that I think is way better. Yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy We had many moments where the entire team were almost convinced of a particular thing and then someone threw in a thought and then we all Switched to another one. So don't worry about that like always. Yeah Cuz because what you're saying is that he's correct in his observation, but his justification is terrible It would be like if I said the I don't know the fight scene in the raid is amazing And here's why and I highlight that the I don't know the actors Don't look tired Or something it like oh, yeah, okay, just be like what? That's a very stupid way even that though I should use a better example than that like something that's not Accurate as an as an argument like like Marvel does it DC does it so why shouldn't like everyone know what movies you've created What a weird way to explain why we should have this Because remember it's what you've lost as well yeah but is missing the opportunity to provide a Good explanation worthy of a minus one because surely he didn't miss the Here's the way to square it away. This is the thinking this is bad, but everybody does it so it's okay Not only is it okay. It's a positive win Because I system he's gonna say this is yeah Yeah, because he's framed it as this is bad, but it's justifiable because oh, yeah Does it therefore it's a win so I'm looking at I see yes Someone that will help everybody understand the rationale as well as that these are all in the context of a win So it is a Positive and the spring just pointed out he begins with saying oh, I bet this is extra Which what he means by that is it's busy and cringe Yeah, it's lame. It sucks and it's part of bad trends in the industry What if he ends up not giving it a point and just out in general He doesn't need pretty much consistently always do the I guess we can find out Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's always that's always a thing. We'll keep a close eye on will change based on you know Because we can pause too early sometimes, but that's all right I should never know what movies you've created. Let's not technically push and boot style opening credits since he isn't in there But I like it. Oh God even that's Why would push and boots need to be in the credits of his own movie I guess they'd be pointing out it's like well, they got Shrek and donkey and Fiona, but no purse Why isn't he wasn't especially when he's like this is his second movie and he's a part of the And he's been part of the Shrek movies since actually I actually agree with him on that point Which is why I find it especially funny that he like he makes a bad argument Then adds to the cringe of the thing and then ends it with People are saying negative to I don't think this is a negative to Is the notion that like oh, yeah dreamworks can't just say hey, we're dreamworks, you know us so let's go Let's start the movie. It's like where dreamworks in case you don't know here's the films that we made Yeah, it's a little insecure. I think it's way less confident than the original I'm gonna try which is devil's advocate little What would be the argument for it being negative to if I was to say he's just added an additionally like Wrong it's such a weird way of doing this. He's added another argument for why it's bad and then said oh, well I Think I'm fine taking both of these and just kind of packaging them together for the credits So the reason why I find it interesting is that they are distinctly different arguments, right? One everyone's doing it so you could do it too and then two it doesn't match puss in boots It doesn't even reference puss in boots, but oh well But is it necessarily bad that puss in boots isn't in the opening credits for his own movie? I think it's strange It's interesting because in the case of Like what they did with Wally where Wally shows up in the opening for a Pixar the Pixar logo everybody like that would obviously Be considered really cool But they went out of their way to incorporate Wally into the introduction for his movie that that would definitely get you More points, but I don't know if they'd be like negative points. It's fine to not have it. Yeah, I don't think it's a problem The simplicity of just Shrek Fiona donkey who are but I guess the most central characters there are Even though I would like puss in boots his own IP now But isn't like it's very very separate IP like it's doing I think I would just make the case that push should be there with Those guys like yeah, he is he is part of you should be standing on donkey who be simple That's where I would put him. I guess I can see it go in both ways Well, and let's put it this way the boss, baby has earned his right to be in the intro Puss in boots really It's a new IP and they want to there were as many There aren't there as many boss, baby movies as there are puss in boots movies Not even counting puss in boots appearance in three out of four of the Shrek movies and then put some pieces on TV show Yeah, that's right. So it's Interactive Like I said, I I don't I think I'm comfortable and he was in far far away idol. Don't forget. So it's very important true I uh, I think I'm still okay with it being a negative one Yeah, I'm fine with it being a negative one now he can do two consecutive negative ones But I think it needs a bit more, you know to it But I still like it. It's nice to be reminded that it's just a fairytale right as the wishing star scorches the planet nothing That is nothing. That's nothing. It's nothing. I don't even know what he means really. It's nice to remind it. It's just a fairytale I mean fairytales have a lot of crazy stuff happening. I'm so I'm not even sure the nature of this observation I was gonna say you go so many directions. What does he mean by just a fairytale? Well The tech exactly just the tech says this story is a fairytale it isn't just a fairytale How I was feeling about that statement I think he would argue it implies that we don't need to take this as seriously guys But I would argue that Negative to the film if you should take this movie seriously it has good things to say I think the reason why I think the reason why the film opens with it's a fairytale It's just trying to appeal to what is often the nature of fairytales Which is that there is some core central message that it's really pronounced that binds everything together Even though it's you know Fantastical world with wacky characters that you've got like yeah, so you're in a you're in a fantasy world and everything But there there is like a big point here. Do we want to do we want to draw your attention to like some kind of meaning or parable or fable? But that they want you to pull away from it. That's me. I'm happy to get it zero because we have no idea what he means by this I'm fine I don't like it Doesn't sit well with me. Yeah, someone said oh Blade Runner's just a movie, you know, I'd be like, okay Watch it. I think maybe I think I agree. It's a zero, but I think what he's potentially appealing to here is that the What would the word be like dissonance of the fact that fairy tale followed by giant explosion is that what he's going for? The impression I get is that he's thinking he's thinking that fairy tales are like inoffensive and I was gonna say yeah This comes in a problem of understanding the history of fairy tales. Yeah, it's hilarious There are people who made videos that are Outraged at the state of fairy tales because ever the west has like cleaned them all up into nice and happy when they're not We watched that we did on that. Yeah, the wisecrack. Yeah, the real Pinocchio story stuff You think about the nature of a lot of these fairytales and what actually happened to them. It's like, well, that's that's doc Gnarly and horrifying in some cases what riding hoods, you know, grandmother getting consumed by the wolf I'm gonna be getting cooked, you know by the by the the witch I do eat all those grannies Remember little Hans if you don't go to bed on time then the undin fliegen So it will come out for under the bed and it will eat your fingers off so make sure that you listen to me Okay, good night. Yeah, what racks that? Why is the granny in Germany speaking English? I don't know. Oh that it what's more of a it's more of a She's bilingual So yeah, I think We'll go with zero then. Yes. Yeah, sir. Oh my gosh. Scorches the planet Puss don't walk into the light. Although, I guess he does come to terms with death in this one spoilers Do you have nothing to say about uh, puss's little opening monologue? Nope. Um, wow apparently no weird Uh, what do we think about? He's commenting that the imagery at the beginning kind of looks like someone walking into the light, which is symbolic of Dying, which is kind of what the film's about. Um, what do I can have in heaven? That's the one I think maybe I that might be one It's weird because I think it probably is a one, but I'm not convinced for some reason I know what you mean. Yeah, it doesn't feel I think it's because there's like not much analysis here. You know, it's just raising it Well, I mean, it's a correct observation about the whole go into the light thing, but he's phrased it like a joke I think might be why it's true that might be I think that something he actually might have missed Is that in that opening narration Puss sounds older than he does in the rest of the movie And I don't know if that's intentional or if that was just sort of how it sounds I I don't know. I was like he's recounting older. It's that he's doing his nice bassy voice that he has Maybe yeah, maybe But yeah, I don't I don't yeah, I got nothing for this one. I think the problem is as was mentioned It's such a flippant comment. It's like wait, was that analysis or was that just I mean if he says it And as coming to terms with death have any relation to stepping into the light Especially considering that the message is that he's going to fight very very hard for the life that he has rather than You know what I mean walking into the light as often meant to Hold on. He might actually don't walk into the light fight to live Yeah, that's right. That's right. Don't yeah step away from the light and everything If you see a light don't follow it, you know, it sounds like with satan on each you have to have Develop this a bit more for us to give the point. I think so. Yeah, I don't I think so I think he might have missed something with this because the end of this whole sequence I guess spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it is that he loses his eighth life So this is him walking into the light and losing his penultimate life, right? Arguably If you had said that in your video and we were reviewing it, I'd give you a point and you'd get a point He didn't say that but He was this close. This is why I think sins is gonna win I will say Winds is fumbling the ball right now, but that's just it's fine. We don't plenty of You get a lot of a lot of ball game left. This is why I wanted to be conservative with my guess Yeah, I might have made a mistake. There's plenty of video left plenty of video left Get to the light although I guess he does come to terms with death in this one spoilers Also, people saying it's really quiet. I don't know why that's happened. Give me one second Let me look at all you make go into us Google is yeah, it's at a hundred percent. So I don't know why that it's loudish for me But let me crank it even more see this chat. That's full now I'm gonna look at the on the levels here Oh, don't walk into the light Okay, that looks like on OBS that it should be okay now. So hopefully we're right Oh, I guess he does come to terms with death in this one spoilers And we will never wash it again hygiene lessons and fanata says in lessons When you just at least said that oh that was a funny joke It's just a joke. You wouldn't get a point for a funny joke though. Yeah, I know but you don't get a point with us either I'm just saying I would have said I wish some boots would step on my face. That's what I would have said Plus two I don't know. I I guess something that would probably be worth pointing out is it's like, yeah, we're just we are having it very Firmly reinforced that posts and boots is a legend Renowned all around the world and that it's he sort of cultivated in himself with all of his fantastical tales and songs About awesome years, you know that you could try and make an actual, you know point about just good writing How is he at five when it did he just like jump up? He just gave himself two for that Why wait, what do we do if that happens? Because I said two lessons. Yeah two lessons. So he gave it two, which is two zeros. That's why I said zero Hygiene lessons and fanatic. Yeah zero zero Yep, god, I hate this format so much Oh Okay I've given him a 60 point lead on cinema So That was a dramatic overestimation Anyway, but yeah, I just card award points for that. Sorry. You got to be more specific more detailed more analysis I got nothing if you're trying to do jokes. You got to do better like, oh, yeah This is a famous thief. That's why he likes loot Did we say what our Rule was on it's like let's just for instance say he told a joke that made all of us laugh Would we give him a point for that? No, no, okay I think it could I think we might It's like an inspiration token in d&d where maybe we could put that in the bank for later And if he really needs that little nudge to get something into a point, maybe we could give it I kind of I See the thing is is that I thought the goal here was to focus on the nature of the analysis because we don't give We don't give really bad jokes like negative points. I remember that was something that we can Yeah, but that was something that I remember we decided not to do. Oh, yeah, someone in chat is pointing out It's like we last time said that was funny zero points Yeah, okay fair enough Remember it's not about the quality of the video. It's the it's the accuracy quality of the argumentation Yeah, pretty much and the you know, but infused comedy is always a good thing. Go ahead, you know Mm-hmm before you hit play There's quite a lot to say about the shot that you've paused it on now and I'm wondering if if winds is gonna say anything about it Let's say. Yeah. I mean, there's a big old skull right next to a post there Yeah, the shadow from the shadow. Yeah. Yeah, the shadow is larger than life. Yeah Why is the governor holding a skull in his portrait kind of makes me think about death? Oh Okay, um, I think I'll I think he can get a point for that. He might be able to get one. Yeah Yeah, I don't like it. But yeah, that's a point. I'm pretty mad on it. I'm neutral I I'm not I'm not thrilled with it. But obviously his observation He's trying to avoid being as overt But he's he's obviously saying the film is about death the aesthetic of the the portrait represents that that's a move from the The designers to to put it in your mind So I think that's behind him death is watching him death is following him That would have been more of a point worthy. Oh, you could make it so much more interesting in terms of Yeah, that's the thing. There's something. Yeah, but I almost feel like he's not I'm fine given it a point if y'all want to Yeah, let's go I think it's a point. Yeah But it's not it's not an enthusiastic point This whole thing has a rock concert vibe. So that tracks Uh, you got nothing for that. Nothing. That was a nothing burger of an observation Um, why so the analysis would have been instead of a beach ball It's yarn for because cat because cat But like would you would you argue that milk instead of booze, you know, would you argue that that is what he's trying to point out He just hasn't I think I think he's done more I think like if rag said to be pointed out, you know, the milk as well. I could be just kept going Um, maybe that would get him something. Yeah, because he hasn't connected it to the cats He just said yarn beach balls. This whole thing is a rock concert vibe. So he hasn't connected that to the cats He's just saying instead of beach balls, it's yarn the cats are implied I guess I think it's implied Like the the prior one right he said about death Oh And the the oh is supposed to be us filling in for oh, he means he's saying the rest of the film is about death I'm against giving him a point because I think that throughout this movie. There are Uh specific things that each of the animal characters have to remind you that they are animal characters Uh, so I I think you should be You know specifically, you know kind of connecting them to their I guess animal I get the forms or you know because because with his praise there It sounds like he's praising the yarn balls because it's a party setting and not because It's a um, it's not at the beach, but it's like a beach ball. So they're made of yarn Yeah I'm very much in the position that I believe he Understands that we know why they're yarn. Yeah, they're yarn because it's cats and everybody knows it cats like bulls a yarn Oh, damn. Does that mean he gets a point for this? Do we vote if there's six of us? I would give him a point Because uh, there's an obligation it is it's just It's accurate and and it's just a design choice from the people who made this film that he's yeah, all right. Yeah Yeah Well, I'm fine with us voting. We can vote if you want. Yeah, I'll give him a point. Sure. Me too I'm on yes I'm on no I'm I think I think I'm on I think I'm edging to know just because I think it needs that tiniest bit more to connect it even though I do kind of get what I'm gonna hesitantly go no, but um, I would be hesitant either way to be honest with this one I think because we were generous with the skull one. I'm not going to be generous with this one I think it's a no It's gonna go to chat Sorry, the panel couldn't figure it We can't do it man. We can't do uh, I would say the zeros have got it I was gonna do a poll, but I mean if we don't need I'll do a poll anyway No, I'm not impartial, but oh, we got a seven in the chat. So let's We got a seven Yeah I mean you might as well do the poll but a bit. It's a zero and I'm they they like it They like polls. Look at them go with their polls. Yeah, then you might as well do the plaque Do we have a Polish audience Moller are we allowed to vote? Oh, yeah. Oh my goodness. Oh, cool. There we go. Get your vote in there Wow, that's uh He says, oh, uh, no fair enough. I love democracy. I love the republic Greetings delegates Okay back to the back to get regularly scheduled programming that Uh, yeah, okay yarn beach balls. This whole thing has a rock concert vibe. So that tracks Getting touched by a blade shadowing Huh, he's he's part of the lyrics of the song He's never been touched by blade. He will be I think yeah Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah Hey, because chat like And it's like remember it's even pointing out the simplest and easiest of things can still get you a point That's it's good enough. Yeah, remember. This is this is his to lose Pretty much, I think so. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, let me end that poll as well I think I think we know It helps heighten how shocking it is when he does get touched by a blade. I do agree. It helps it plants that seed in your mind Mm-hmm the seed He's still got that star lord thing going for him Nothing What does that mean? What am I missing? Well, so it did someone did someone say in the god in the galaxy film like bring me star loads heads at any point They did something like that in the bible, but I don't know what what's going on because I he's still got that star lord thing going for him like I don't know if he means Uh, do you mean like, uh, he's a bit of a renegade, you know, like he's uh, he's he's a criminal Yeah, this is a zero That has to be a zero. Yeah, because I mean it seems like a zero. What what could it possibly be? I don't even know what he means Actually, I was gonna say before I even give him points. I was trying to figure out what he meant Uh, the closest I can get is like, oh, they're both like swashbuckling. Um, Well, if it's that then that's fucking nothing He could have said like, oh, he's like captain jack sparrow in which case like, okay. Well done. That's a zero You know how criminals what this should be caught by law enforcement. This is like star lord. They're like Zero Well, I get that seems like we're all agreed Our lord thing going for him So you've probably already noticed that this one feels a little different from the first one Stylistic sparks and swipes from the swords clashing little sound animations from the boots stopping even the fire looks hand painted I worry we might be taking the wrong lessons from mitchell's versus the machines in spider-verse, but i'm down It's beautiful. What? Why are you making it? You had me in the first half Yeah, and the first half I was I was like I I still don't know if even in the first half because what he's doing is he's missing the fact that the sword clangs Are lined up with the beats of the song. Yeah Oh He's missing a lot. He's missed a lot So and then but yeah with the weird we might be taking the wrong lessons from mitchell's My guess my best guess as to what he means by that is that It looks damn. I'm not sure Is that it looks stylized? Maybe just just watch that one again Just because I want to I really want to just drink it in because I have I'm really lost on exactly what he was trying to say there Oh, what does this start this is good. They still got that star lord thing going for him So you've probably already noticed that this one feels a little different from the first one Stylistic sparks and swipes from the swords clashing little sound animations from the boots stopping even the fire looks hand painted I worry we might be taking the wrong lessons from mitchell's versus the machines in spider-verse, but i'm down It's beautiful. Yeah, i'm i'm not sure what the wrong lessons would be. Yeah, that's what I was about to ask I'm almost empty to give that a negative one If you were an alien and you heard him say that you'd be like compliment compliment compliment bad, but I like it Yeah, that's I think what i'm getting confused by is like I I feel like anything that I could try to come up with I I still wouldn't agree Is he is he's saying that like he he's worried that the lesson that would be learned is that oh if you just use these kind of like older To the animation techniques that people just start throwing them in without thinking about it He's implying it's the wrong lesson. Yeah, I He that's I this is I don't know this is this is like I'm almost like a negative one on this Is he potentially Is he potentially saying that it's the wrong lesson from mitchell's in spider-verse? Because this is the sequel to a film that didn't have that kind of animation style Maybe I mean if that's the case then he definitely gets a negative one Yeah, because that's a horrible argument. That's a terrible take I'm pretty firmly in negative one now So this is the problem it's like what do you think I'm sitting here thinking like does he mean putting 2d effects on 3d animation is Is a wrong that can't be it I That's the best that I could imagine is that his observation is that the thinking goes well as long as you do like sword swipes and Motion lines and stuff like that then it's like that's the lesson that gets learned Oh, just do that and you do it and it's the wrong lesson But and that that's yeah, and that's the wrong lesson to learn I don't know why he would bring it up for this film though because this film The film looks amazing. It's yeah, it looks it looks great Someone suggested is he saying that it can confuse perspective if you have 2d I'm 3d and the back could be there. No, well, then that's then that's definitely a negative one because that's I think what we're highlighting here is that You couldn't make it to the theater. I am trying to come up with positive like and every single one I can think of is like wrong. So I just I don't know what what I could do with this I'm like negative one on this Like the only thing I can think of is that he's worried about overuse of certain stylistic tropes, but even that's not very Well, all I would say in that case He should reserve that for the films that actually don't do it. Well, I'm like Any about the train rely on it and if he's saying like there's too many styles Again, I'd be like it's according to who Well, well, I think What I think I'm finding frustrating as well is that I think that it is totally fine and logical to point to Into the spider-verse as kind of the film that kicked off This new trend of oh, we can we can like deviate dramatically from what is the Established kind of Disney Pixar 3d animation style that you can deviate from that and still find success and that it's worth deviating from Um, but push and boots is not like into the spider-verse is trying to emulate pop art from like the 50s like comic book art Whereas push and boots is trying to emulate like watercolor painting like and uh, it's it's going for a painterly Style that feels more reminiscent of like yeah evoking Further from the past, you know Like It's it's I don't I don't and of course mission machine Who's been gone from the same style either if it's just like oh, they're all grouped together because they're not Pixar It's like well, that's a weird That's like a weird sort of a way of grouping them because they are It's not fair an art style I don't look the same someone suggested could it mean style over substance And it's like you have to explain how we have lost substance here Because this is it's it's a this is a really well done opening action scene that that the the music is great They got the the sound synced with the with the effects. There's a lot going on. We get all these characters It's funny. There's a lot of good gags going on I mean the song itself is good. It there's Like there's no way that I yeah, you have to work really hard to try and convince us I I think what I'd be tempted to is I think I think what I'd be tempted to give him a negative one for I don't even know what the hell you're saying, but it's making me You're saying something negative. It's making me think about how many ways you would be wrong in saying it What I thought was happening with this was he was going to highlight loads of really cool animation flourishes and then say You know what that's like five wins. That's so cool. Yeah, like and then we probably I would have given him a point for pointing out the animation styles like I would have been like Yeah fair and I think it's fair to say a lot of people don't even necessarily 100 Register it when they're watching. It's like, oh, yeah, there are those are done into Yeah, and this is a busy scene. There's a lot of stuff going on It's kind of the meme right people because of spider verse We're learning about the notion of animating on ones versus twos that that was kind of a thing that a lot of people aren't familiar with because Yeah, the reality is that people it's not like every person has read the like animators Guidebook that don't know all of the the techniques that are employed and that's kind of it's cool Right because these films have kind of invited people to learn more because they're like Oh, wow, that's like really different from stuff that I've seen before Look legit if the line The line I worry we might be taking the wrong list of missions as part of this, but I'm down if you remove that from the script He'd probably be getting a point here If you remove but I'm down it's beautiful. This could be appearing in a sins video Yeah Uh, that's kind of the we will so what we're gonna get in the cinema sins video is his uh reverse Like net he does the thing where he's like, oh my god, that's so good Like you get you get negative sins for this, you know that sort of thing I don't know if uh winds has ever done the equivalent of that where he's like, that's so bad You're I'm taking a win away from you. I think he's done that. He's not gonna do it for this film Or at least a raven But uh, well instead of everyone just announcing I'd rather go from uh Left to right. What do you think this is and I assume the vote is going to be between zero and negative one So I'll just say names instead because disco can be weird fringy. What do you think? I think I want to go with a zero that he was onto a one and then he neutralized it with a really bizarre observation That brings him to a zero metal Also negative one. It's just a fucking confusing I'm gonna say negative one because he's told us this is a bad thing and he's not given us reason for it at all rags Negative one for those reasons random film talk Negative one for those reasons meme Oh god, I went on an arc with this one because when he started it was like, oh, this is on a one He might be inching towards the two if he keeps going and I had the same thought That's all negative one now Yeah, that's a negative one then negative one for you. Wait and twins. What are you doing, man? He's still in this I bet on the right horse I'm floored that he fumbled the easiest thing you can say about this film, which is it looks great I can't believe he threw that out. Yeah, just to be correct me. There's someone is writing these down, right? I am. Oh, yeah. Okay. Just making sure fair warning Yeah, it's a bit late. I should have said this earlier like I Hopefully someone else could do one as well because I've been known to fuck these things up. So if someone else can be Tracking it. I think if any of you would be so obliged while we're going through to look through the previous sentence sorry wins and Reset do the counter again based on our schools like just to make sure All I'm asking is someone could double check me with my final results. I'm probably gonna be off by one or something Uh, let me pull up a word doc or unless someone else wants to do it I can't be relied on. Okay. I'll pull up a word. I like my rhymes. Do you do it? Whoever? Yeah, whoever can or will I appreciate it if what happens if all six of us do it? We will end up with different I'll be honest with you. Um in the M. O. M. One. I believe at some point I stopped counting wins because he's doing so horribly bad Like We're just like it's fine. He's just negative question mark Be taking the book you mean hold on hold up. I'm uh, so this is wins and what's he at? Just so we're on the same page So I've got him a negative two but that could be wrong I think that's right. I hope you better not be wrong. The reason why I'm so I When we first were talking about this, I looked at the double. I was like, I must have fucked up. How can he be on negative two? I think that's because he's got yeah, he's got three negatives a lot of zero We're just started we just started He can he could Up to to record it right as he should be asking these questions All right, I got wins negative two and then as and I'll change it as we he gets more or less points Also in before all of chat Shout at me for being wrong with all different answers. I've got he's he's a negative one. He's a what? He's at zero We're like a minute in and we're already But we it's okay. We every once in a while. We'll double check each other's scores just to be sure Okay Okay, we're just gonna sit at negative. I can't I can't rely on chat. I think it's impossible I love you guys. Okay, but I can't now you're lying to us negative 3000. That seems likely Yeah, this is all right spider-verse, but I'm down. It's beautiful And hey, he's keeping his sword parries in time with the music Taking the right lessons from Edgar Wright, excuse me I mean like sorry, can we that's dancing just to be clear you've described the dancing Dancing Invented dancing rags I'm gonna be nice and say listen. He's a guy who watches. He's relatively young. Maybe he's just like Edgar Right, I know him for the guy who did like the the bar fight and show one of the dead where they sink But don't start me now and I saw that video from Every frame of pause that isn't us like they explained Edgar Wright does it all the time Oh boy, whenever I see it. I think of Edgar Wright. That's it's okay Keeps the sword parries in time with the music. That's true. You get a point Like how Zack Snyder vetted feet. Oh, no, the right one in taratino invent. Yeah He did Favorite new touch the absolutely insane vibrance and oversaturation of the colors I don't think we give points for that. You have to tell us why that's good. Yeah, and I also don't think it's I don't think it's oversaturated Saturated Yeah, it's it's more it's like oversaturated means too saturated Whatever the level of like obviously he's just trying to illustrate. There's a lot of colors. Like why is a lot of color good Why is that good? Yeah, why is that good? You can't point it out. You have to explain why it's good You get nothing What are you doing nothing wasting our time wasted our time But skipping frames giving a similar effect watch the milk All right, but why is that good? You're not describing like how the frames change when they're in action scenes and how they can even transition within the same cut like when kitty goes off to fight everybody after Um, the burrito gets captured and once she starts going to the fight She changes from normal frames to lower frames because she's entering combat essentially And it all happens within the same shot making observations of sometimes we hold really long on keyframes We hold for way longer than like like there's the when when uh, the big guy starts throwing the bell at push He does like a flip backwards and he's facing the camera and they hold on that for way longer to emphasize the keyframe And it's like well why it's like oh well because the long if you can if you can stretch it out for longer than that Pose like sticks in the viewer's mind captures more of it. We and also Just to be clear just so we're all on the same page when he says animating on twos I don't know what that means. Well, yeah, if you don't know what that means, then you're lost It's like what is that's another point he should probably It's a big opportunity to explain the quality of the film Or qualities of the film and then of course to point out that this is just unconventional in 3d animation 3d animation doesn't do ones and twos because they're not they're not drawing individual Like they're not they're not drawing the characters like each time it's not a new drawing It's a 3d model that's being moved around so it takes like it's like you've gone out of your way to kind of add This in as like a as a technique Man, he's missing so much Easy points. Those would be easy points. Here's what wins. Listen. Look, it's fun to make fun of you But I need you to get to 25. Okay I really need this listen. Listen wins. Just gets a 15 So can we please maybe he's just getting all the bad stuff out of the way? So Did I highball him with 5? You gave him 5. Yeah, so I can't believe you might No, he'll get to 25. What I think is the music is the we've all scored him in plus, but that he is currently a negative Yeah, no, I I would say I am now confident. I'm gonna be the most wrong here. Um He's got plenty of movie laughs. We all thought that obviously Wits it wins with an amazing movie would get a whole bunch of points But instead he's just fumbling every perfect pass that's thrown his way I wish I listened to my gut more. I really do 24 frames. Oh, okay, wait What are we what are we giving this one zero? He's zero. He hasn't actually pointed something out that exists That's there. It's I don't know explain why it's good. It's it's gotta be a zero But like this same uh technique happens at least one step probably more than once later in the film So he does have the opportunity to explain it then maybe not not gonna now. Yeah Not for now. Yes, similar effect. Watch the mill This guy shaking his hand. I actually did that in real life, which is why I noticed jack I'll give him that because that's like an that's something that this small detail Yeah, that's a like a really small detail that he's noticed there. I'm surprised he didn't go Zoom and slow down to show us, you know, or the yeah That's kind of a blink and you miss it kind of thing, but I will give him that one agree That's a point because in much the same way that if he if he points out death standing in the shadows, you know He's gotta do that Oh, yeah, he'll get a point. You'll get a point. All right. We have reached uh zero We reached our starting position. I'm not just saying that because I'm trying to Up these points Yeah, so for anybody who's like what are these like absolutely this would be the Reverse of nitpicking like if if sins points out things that are accurate but small it's like fine But if he points out something accurate, but you know, cool. It's like, yep, you got a point Jack Horner's pies. What a crazy Easter egg. Oh my gosh I think he gave that a point and I think that's yeah because that is a blink and you miss a detail So, yeah, I'm not for it and also he's pointed out death Okay, so he gets one for that. Oh, he's back in the game everybody So does he does he get one for the sign and one for death? Yeah, because he gave him separate wins. So, yeah Okay Just as if just as if he gave himself separate wins that were both inaccurate. He would get negative That's all right. Yeah. Well, so someone said who cares about Easter eggs. I do I love them I do as well because someone had to make someone made that someone decided I could put that in there and it would just make the film a little bit better and then they did it So that's worth something I should step in the crowd. Also people say like oh easy. It's like that's why we said he was gonna win this Yeah, that's why we said Yeah, this is easy just like it was easier for cinema sins with multiverse of madness Yeah, because you had like about 10,000 contradictions in that film. So it's just on a platter The anime vibes are off the chain. Look, I don't only watch attack on titan, but it's a giant and there's a bell. Come on zero He said anime I'm tempted to give you negative one for that alone, but Zero it is Everything about this opening battle is such a great setup for the rest of the movie It perfectly illustrates how little pus thinks about death. He's more concerned with the music and keeping in time with the beat Is that a clean one? I think that's a clean one Yep, I'm fine with giving that a yeah It's very much accurate. That's definitely what the film is trying to portray LEGEND WILL NEVER DIE I mean technically he didn't say he wouldn't die just the legend. So it's still an accurate song Also, that's the eighth bell time So he gave himself a ding for that one and I feel like there's something missing that pushes it to a to a point there Feels more like a joke than uh Yeah, because of course there's something to be said about the fact that this is where the legend dies You know the legend dies because at this point now that he's on his last life This is what sends him on the journey that forces him to grapple with that legend that he's concocted about himself And to sort of develop like a new framework for moving through life So that I feel like there's an observation here. Anything. It's the opposite argument could be made. Yeah That the legend does die. I wonder if he's trying to be a bit sarcastic almost also that's what I mean like I just got big joke vibes Oh, oh because he's saying it's accurate. He didn't say I'm gonna die. He said the legend He said just the legend. So like it's not. Yeah, I think this is just a joke and not an observation at all actually So I think that's a I think that's a zero. I think it's zero. Yeah. Yeah Didn't say he wouldn't die just the legend so it's still an accurate song Also, that's the eighth bell toll in this scene signifying his eighth life ending. Yeah, you gotta get over to that. Oh, that's cool That's a point. Yeah, yeah, it's good. You definitely do I'm not gonna check but I'll take his word for it. Oh, I've heard of that. That's a fun fact. That's really cool. It is true It's uh, it is I'll never not love pusses full on cat moments Also for those zero And he likes the cat only he had said they do an excellent job of animating puss In those moments to be just like you like real life cats like To the point where they probably study dumb to do it this goes far enough. Yeah Yeah, like um, when I was on metals forge talking about this film. I went on for about 10 15 minutes about all the cat Oh, yeah, you did. Well, well done. They Yes, there's definitely more you can say than just look. He's a cat He's a cat I he Those of you who were surprised by the reveal that the wolf wasn't just a bounty hunter later on Look at the corners of these death cards even got his sickles I like it. You get a point I like it. I like it now hit the random film tool prediction of plus five Yep, he's on five. He has boy. He's coming. He's bringing us still in he's on a roll This is what he needs to do. He just needs to point out the neat things and draw the connections, you know The film is setting him up for success Hi, jingy got leg transplant surgery with frosting stitches making that is how it's always been though Since the first movie. Oh, yeah, because they added that in since uh, oh, yeah Yeah, that's right because that that was off. That was in trek too. He had yeah, so he's he's already always had those so Oh, what does this count as then? I think that might be a negative I think that's definitely the case. It's been years since I've seen straight trek to I was gonna say my references He's had him reminding me. I think he's had him since the first time he lost his legs in the first track Yeah, that's right. Yeah Yeah, so I He's like mistaken it for something that's in this film when it's just consistent character Yeah, the praise if he was to get a point if he said they even managed to maintain continuity that jingy lost His legs and stitched them back on with frosting if he'd said that that probably would have been a point But instead he's acting like he's just now discovering that when it's been a thing for many years now That's jingy. Yeah, it would be weird if it wasn't that so Yeah, it would be like saying that they remembered to keep his like purple buttons the same color like it'd be like that But he just had I would say that that it's a cool bit of continuity instead of making his legs just whole Um, but at the same time that's not what he said. So he's just wrong You know No, yeah discovering that Discovering something that's been there for many years now is kind of weird, especially if you're trying to give it a win I think we're teaching here on zero to negative one, aren't we? Yeah, that's the thing. Um, shall we vote? Go ahead if anyone else wants to add to it Jinging that leg trend. So yeah, it he's acting like it's the first time like like they just did this But like like y'all said it this is consistent character. It's part of the design It would be it would be a sin. It would be a ding And I guess a dong a bad one. Is it thing good or a dong bad? I don't know But it would be bad if they didn't have it that would be a continuity issue So Um, is it up to whether or not he gives it a win for himself or not? Yeah, I think he gives it a win for himself Yeah, I think he gives it a win that actually I think that bumps into the negative one I don't think I don't see how you can give this a yeah If it was like if I was reviewing The Simpsons said Homer's wearing his white shirt ding. It's like well I was gonna say right? He the statement ginger got leg transplant surgery processes doesn't mean he's saying he got it for this film However, the win does Yeah, I yeah, like yeah, like yeah, that's what my thinking You have convinced me it is negative one Your hubris will be your downfall wins I'm down for giving this a negative one You shouldn't have given just have the point. I'm also in the camp now of negative one just for reference, um James moor is apparently posted proof that, um, he he did have this at the end of shrek one So it wasn't even shrek two. It was in shrek one. Oh, yeah This is all of that shrek one. He was in the wedding. Yeah. All right. That was out to get me Oh It's almost said like surely zero because it's not a malicious mistake. It's like we don't We we may eventually come across one where we say like that was malicious over like that's not really In consideration into accuracy Uh, like how we feel about the emotional state when saying the thing I guess it might come up at the end That's it whether or not this was malicious is not really relevant I have but obviously it's not it's not malicious Yeah, Gigi's got leg transplant surgery We are cruel, but we're fair Yeah, so there you go We're with frosting stitches making your Oh, I keep the heavy stuff in there man. He's skipping over so much stuff. Yeah, he is He really is Okay, so this this should be easy Your type of clientele bar would have to be prepared for with special libations in fantasy land A little single origin hay smoothie for donkey Okay, uh, you don't get that's Yeah, that's anything That's just a little meme about like, oh, yeah in a fantasy world. You've got to probably have like fantasy stuff, you know So for your fantasy stuff like creme and hay. Yeah, so that's uh, that's a big That's crazy fantasy worlds with the milk. How would you turn this into gaining a point? What I would turn into gaining a point is isn't it awesome that even though puss is animated in a lot of ways like Like a human being, you know standing on on his uh, hind legs and uh, you know Gesturing with his hands that he's still He is inextricably a cat As he wraps up the milk with his tongue and it's like yeah, he is an anthropomorphic He's not a not a human. He's he's very clearly a cat and the film doesn't want you to forget that They lean into his catness make the observation that it's just a it's throughout the film It's like they never let you forget that he is a cat with the way that not just with how he looks But the way that he moves that would probably yes This joke makes me laugh when he's like talking like this and then he just leans over and starts laughing up the milk Yeah, yeah, that's a smile on my face every time. It is funny. Oh, yeah um, what about pointing out that it's The the problem is here I think I'm doing a little bit too much work for him because if if it was phrased as though Um, I I love the work they've put into the wheel building here that uh, you know Your average tavern will have options for creatures that are so unusual in like a normal world But in this world they prepare and stocked with all kinds of drinks for all kinds of creatures and species Um, I think kind of what is in what he's one I mean because I think the the joke in universe isn't just that you know It's cream, but the fray I keep the heavy stuff in the back normally refers to like the really Rich and super alcoholic stuff the good stuff, you know the heavy stuff Whereas this it's literally referring to the the heavy cream. That's the heaviest And I mean it's it's it's you know, it's it's cream Like that's not that doesn't invite those questions about like all of the fantastical stuff that they might have it's cream It's a it's a bar, you know, it's gonna have milk and stuff like so, um I Well, uh, maybe vote on this one just because I'm not if I will do it. Does everyone just feel a zero. Is everyone just feeling it's a zero I don't have strong feelings on this one. It could have been more, but I feel a zero. All right See land little single origin hay smoothie for donkey Okay, they are very hard to hear but there are eight clock chimes and on the eighth the candle goes out and then death appears Good observation Yeah Yeah, that reflection doesn't make any sense unless your death and figuratively have pushed trapped Yeah, you got a point But he's not trapped because the top of the glass is He's trapped within the I would have gone with not trapped but the he's in death's Yeah, he's in his hand. He's in his sights. He's not trapped Uh Is it a potential reference to later in the film when he I forget exactly if he is trapped in that like glass mirror maze Extended further he he doesn't have pushed trapped here. He wants him to fight He has an option to fight and I think you want I almost get the impression in this scene that he wants Puss to run um because he enjoys the chase and the fear but he wants to kill him eventually He literally says later that he loves the the hunt in the yes Yeah, he has made the observation of the visual here, which is that puss is reflected in the glass He has no he also said it didn't make any sense for me, which isn't a very Kind of way to say it's a craze with the element Well, yeah, and it is important to say that his his take on this is that the death has pushed trapped Which is not my take on this Because yeah, he likes the chase. He likes the smell of fear as he as he puts it He allows him to run away many times. Well, this this is more representative. I think of how much control death has in this scene Yeah, he's super comfortable. He's chill And that's different from what he said. I feel like this is just nothing Well, I'm inclined to agree. I think it was almost a plus and then I went to zero Yeah, I think that's why I think this is one of those fumbly kinds of yeah, it doesn't quite Can't make anything of it Oh, well, what kind of bad faith is this rags? What do you mean? What kind of bad faith is what no, I think we all first off It's focusing in on me Five other people here who like pretty much said their own things as well, but to be clear Um, yeah, I don't I you know, we said why yeah, I regret nothing I mean another another way to go with the reflection is that potentially The film is is visually showing that death has rather than having pushed trapped. He's he's in control He's obviously a lot bigger than the reflection. He's holding the shot glass. He's in control of that which isn't what Wins has said but that would be another direction. You can feel like that's what I said already. I'm just saying I'm sorry. I'm sorry But it's good to it's good to get confirmation that you know, somebody else was thinking it and hell Yeah, this is an insane crazy person. And the I I encourage everyone to have biden moments. I think that they're great They show that we're all human I'm not sure if this is like just another synonym of what mohler just said But I do like the idea that you know, you obviously he smashed the other Eight lives later in the film but within this scene if you kind of look at it With the knowledge of what's going to happen later. It's almost like he has his last life directly in his hands Which is basically the whole his whole journey through that film is that death wants to take this one for himself I see all those interpretations. I see is much more accurate. The um, it's funny How much it stuck with me? I can't remember who said it by a bit rags, but the he's not trapped as an open top I've been staring at it like so true A little reflection can climb out of the cup Yeah, this is something that he could have done something with but he fumbled it through an accuracy and a grasp Something else as well. The glass is obviously empty. So potentially Symbolically meaning that his life his lives are empty. He's run out. He's running close to the end. Yeah Yeah, so I think all these interpretations are way better And I think his was he has post trapped which is not the case not really true. Yeah, so He even locked the door behind him. I don't know if we trap your push As was said, I don't believe death wants to end person in this moment. He wants to chase him Yeah, yeah I it might help if because I know when Puss escapes wolf says something in spanish And I don't know actually what it is. So when we get there someone in chat can maybe let us know I think he might skip it. Well, maybe not. He might he might but uh, actually hold it here I'm keeping score. So positive for just a second while I use the lu real quick won't be but a moment I assume everyone's on board with zero for this one. Yeah. Yeah This film actually does that quite a lot where it has the characters speak in spanish without having any kind of subtitles It's interesting in particular for what ostensibly a kid's film Uh that they would do that because you kind of get a vibe for what they're saying even if you don't speak spanish So I don't think they needed to do it. Everyone in chat is saying he says run kitty run So again not trapped Yeah, or Yeah, it's funny because you'd be like not trapped literally in this room But trapped in the sense that death is coming for you and there's nothing you can do. Yeah But like I said, it's just phrasing. It's not even close. I don't think it's it's not capturing what a Winds thought it was. I don't believe No, no, we've settled on a zero rags not to your shock or anything Uh people are saying and chat. He says run run kitten. Yeah, please. Yeah, yeah Figuratively have pushed my compliments to your cobbler. I mean, I imagine he's a cord wainer, but tomato tomato compliments And push the strike in his ninth shot there. It already Oh I mean, he might be wrong. What what did he call it? A I don't I imagine he googled that because I don't know what a cord wainer is Uh, let's see a shoemaker who makes new shoes from new leather But they're not new He's had them from a while a cord wainers can be contrasted with the cobbler's trade Uh, according to a tradition in britain that restricted cobblers to repairing shoes He might actually might be one then he might be wrong Uh Because I imagine imagine he's a cord winner. I imagine he's that might save him I imagine the oh, yeah, I think the imagine saves him Zero I carry on zero. I was gonna give zero anyway, but yeah, you snatched nothing from the jaws of nothing You carry on You're about tomato tomato compliments and pushes drinking his ninth shot there. It already empty. Yeah. Yep. That's fair. Yep. Yeah Oh, I like it six No, I am. Yeah Wow Quite a bit. Yeah That conversation man, okay Yeah Tonal shift the red that fills the screen when puss is first touched by a blade puss does the same cart I didn't get that a point. That was one point and he gets a point for that Yeah, yeah, let's try. He hasn't dinged yet. I think he's or did he do it? It went up 28 29 Well, he did against the giant death catches him mid-air. He also cuts his catchphrase off Fear me if you can Okay, I I need to keep trying You're just describing uh, I'm wondering if he's entitled to all of these points. Well, yeah, we're doing it one at a time I'm just trying to Genuinely all I'm trying to do right now is figure out where the fucking wins are because like the so there's a win at the end of every Sentence, so yeah, it's like red screen card We gave a win to the cartwheel and he gave a win for cutting off the fear me if you dare But that one doesn't get a point because that's just an observation Red that fills the screen when puss is first touched by a blade tonal shift. That counts as a point, right? I I'll give him that. That's the strongest point that he's got out of this election, I'd say Yeah, the um the cartwheel is just describing Well, he needs to build it up more because of course the point being that it's like Oh, we saw we saw puss do that successfully yet here death effortlessly Port him out this time. We don't know his death yet Which means it's like oh, that's really interesting that puss's strategies aren't working It's almost like you could imply broadly that puss's General worldview is beginning to uh to crumble, but he's not saying these things. No just pointing out what's happening Yeah, the cartwheel uh the knocking his sword out of his hand and interrupting his catchphrase all accomplishes the same thing So surely that's one point collectively That from our perspective not not from wins this perspective, I mean Neo is sent a super chat that says we should take points away for win laundering Um, I mean I'm So someone said as well, uh, I thought we were giving him points for observations It's um, funnily enough the way that the the thing is actually described is he gets zero for observation He gets one for accurate praise where the observation which I know sounds like well Isn't that like subjective? It's like usually it's in conjunction with something else So red fills the red fills the screen and then tonal shift is obviously the that the information that clashes or Into twines of the what fringy was referencing right and this is what I've been thinking about right now is that The same cartwheel he does against the giant death catches in mid air Fringy was like well You'd have to highlight the contrast of the confidence and the power of it doing it before and that death is now A foe that is way too difficult to take out But in a sense and this is where I have my trouble. I feel like wins would be like that is what I'm saying Maybe like it's like It's what the viewer is doing the work for you You pointed it out and then the viewer goes yeah, and this has to do with my perception of the film where Yes, it's this and this and this and that and there's these reasons why that's happening It's like he's not doing all of the work that he should be doing which is you connect it You connect it don't let the viewer connect it with their own understanding of the film you do it Let's contrast two different observations where we just had one a second ago the eight empty shot glasses to represent his eight lives that have been spent Uh, that's an interesting observation That is worthy of a point, but just saying yeah, he does a cartwheel and death catches him Well, so what's interesting is there's an insight miss here as well as the it's his signature cartwheel He does it in all the films he's in I think Uh, because I remember doing it to Shrek in Shrek 2 and then he does it in Yeah, I am okay. So the the problem I'm highlighting here is puss does the same cartwheel he did against the giant It's like well, that's it's his Yeah, yeah, which is again this is why this is why I don't want to award a point for it To me it comes across as like it's so lacking in the potential insight. Um, I'm inclined to agree Yeah, it's less than observation and more description So I think yeah, I think we seem to be agreement on that one being a zero of So of this trio he only gets one I think I would I would even say that he's kind of balked it as well Because you need to ramp up to this it like the whole point of the scene is that It gradually ramps up to the things that puss normally does that work don't work and then it doesn't work Oh, shit now. It's actually getting a little bit more I go even and then he gets struck by blade I go further back. I think it's legitimately You like intimidating when he pulls out the wanted poster and he taps on the dead and says I want your autograph Like that's pretty that's pretty intimidating. Yeah, there's like three layers to that too. Like, um, yeah The uh, sort of surface level just like I want your autograph and then it's like appealing to his ego Then the fact that he believes him to be a bounty hunter and the bounty hunter's pulled out the thing like that's proof of it But then the underlying subtext of I am death and I'm here to collect your Yeah, he's tapping on dead in the dead That one would have been the potential for a double point, you know Well, because as well Obvious, I mean, you know, he's death right like obviously But I mean they don't reveal that until later and he says a lot of things that have I mean pretty clear subtext of You know, like no one's escaped me yet. It's like, well, yeah, that sounds like a bounty hunter thing of like, oh, yeah I'm a pretty good bounty hunter. I mean, obviously it's like when nobody escapes death That's the point and these are just things that he's missed Because he skipped over so much of this scene. I don't understand Virginia breadman would just live forever, don't they wouldn't he I'm guessing I'm not sure about the Biometrics of that creature or by I guess this is something that is worth emphasizing because it's become apparent at this point is that wherever cinema wins ends up He has failed in a sense because he is missing He's just skipping over and missing so much that is that could buff up his points here in this competition that he Never knew he was participating in And if you're doing this for an audience to show him all the wins of a movie and you're missing out on a lot of stuff You're kind of not doing the movie justice. So I think there's a level of opportunity cost That's a yeah, there's a level of like, oh, you're missing all this stuff that you could be telling people and that's like Yeah, I agree with I agree with that I think I feel like out of the three points that he's made the the shift to red the cartwheel And the interrupting the catchphrase those are the three that we're on right now. Yeah Yeah, we haven't really talked about the catchphrase one yet I I feel like out of the three He should be getting Two points because I feel like the the cartwheel and the catchphrase is the same point that he's awarded twice someone um Said why is he getting a point for the saying the tone shifts? Isn't that just a almost blank observation? I think the you can give him the credit of The the confidence is shattered and that's a tone shift thing as well as like music or style and stuff And like there's a lot of things that would come into it all at once and he's praising the fact that visually speaking It's been You know acknowledged as well. I think that's a one. That's not a zero Yeah, he did say touched by a blade. He didn't just say it was red. He talked about the tone. Yeah untouched by a Yeah, yeah one. Yeah, uh, but I I think it only gets one out of the three I think that the cartwheel is just a description of what happens He's fucking shot Yeah, I Sorry, the red eyes. Wait, hold on Uh, did he give himself a ding for the tonal shift? Okay, wait, let's give him more dings and actually I think he did Wait, hold on. The tonal shift the red that fills the screen when pushes first touched by a blade Okay, does the same cartwheel he did against the giant death catches him mid-air. He also cuts his catchphrase off Yeah, that one not only gets a point. Yeah, this doesn't get anything. You're just describing what it what happened You're not it looks like he's about to give him a point for a summary as well You see that excellent storytelling and it's like oh, yeah point. It's like yeah, you should have described the excellent storytelling That would have been cool if you told us It's good. Why is it excellent winning? Well, it's also interesting too if If he was to say his his catchphrase is cut off to tell us that this is like a bigger deal And then he's awarded himself a point for pointing that out and then a point for pointing it out like why it would matter Which feels like you again that is point laundering He's definitely point laundering but like laundering because if he said if because the red one I think everyone is agreed on excuse me, but This one here. So he's saying excellent storytelling to help us understand the stakes the bounty hunter is bringing If he said that in conjunction with the cartwheel and the interrupting the catchphrase All of that he gave himself a point. We would be agreeing. Yeah, but he's given himself three or Isn't it total? Four including the red tone cartwheel catchphrase excellent storytelling that'll be four, right? Yeah, so we're saying tone gets one and cartwheel and catchphrase don't get anything and then its excellent storytelling is kind of like Yeah, all right, so Go on rex. Sorry go. I think he only gets one point of the four I think it's a tonal shift you get but you can't at the end Say yeah, excellent storytelling here When you don't like elaborate on it when you just sort of describe things that happen You need to be a bit more insightful And i'm the bar is not high for being insightful. We've we've shown that but he's just not doing it The amount of times he's pointed out the the eight sort of symbology and we're just like yep, that's a point Yep, that's a point like this but Here's the thing it comes across and i'm learning some of this stuff too. This is the first time i'm hearing about it But it comes across as if he Went to a video that says all the cool details of puss in boots the last wish And so he knows to say the shot glasses the chimes the sign death in the crowd But he's not actually being insightful with the story stuff I'm just saying that's a feeling that I get. I think you might be right I'm saying it's a feeling that I get it just seems really All over the place and inconsistent with what he's pointing out. I mean, yeah, it's Yeah, it's it's you know, which I suppose I wouldn't want to say that's that's doesn't that doesn't like invalidate anything I think what rags get now isn't that because we were like fraud is like, whoa, we're not like same plagiarism It's just that it shows why I think rags highlighting why there's insight in some places and no insight in other places Well, yeah, it's like why is there insight into these individual details? But when it comes to providing like a general analysis of the film and what it's trying to say that it starts to fall flat Yeah, he's he's picking up on the very very quick Easter eggs in the in the the chimes shot glasses the signs, but like I said, we didn't know conversation of them at the bar top It It's an extra risk for that run The like at the end of the film he likes to do his big old speech about the film Like like he's actually going to provide his you know points more comprehensively Maybe that I highly If we get to that point and we'll have to see but I feel like going through the now is the time to do it, you know Excellent storytelling to help us understand the stakes And oh just so clear since we get Since we got one point moller. We're at he's got seven now. I'm a seven. Yeah, okay. Oh, we're coming up on mine Yeah And you thought eskibar was the scariest that vagner would ever get Damn it, man, that's I was like, he's got a point. He's obviously getting a point. Yeah, and then no Because I mean, how many details can you point to like the rapidly intensifying hot beads? Yeah I want all of the hair standing up on the back of his on his back and uh his life literally flashing before his eyes Yeah, no way he skipped over that that He skipped so much Like I he played Pablo eskibar That's so wins man. What are you doing if sins Fucking references it and takes away sins like Jesus That might get him a plus too. It might act. I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen We'll have to deal with it together him. Yeah, him lowering his own counter to praise the film might get a Extra point and supports. Yeah, well, we'll have to see that when we get there But it's about to point out that this is what the he's translated this one That was run run kitten definitely more terrifying in espanol How much do you get for translating something from a different language into english? You've got you've got a comment on why it's relevant and the thing is it goes It goes against his uh thing earlier saying that post was trapped by death I'm more interested by the idea that it's almost like in his view I translated it because I don't speak spanish and I translated it to english and that's what it means point But let's be clear a language is literally meant to be understood. It's not hidden it's not like it's not like a message or a play on words or an easter egg in the back or Something lining up. So it's just the character speaking and also not to be too anglo-centric But like spanish is just like a real language that people speak. You don't get a point for No, I think you're the words. There has to be an additional step. I can't just be translated It's a hidden detail when if you speak spanish It's a language it means nothing Easter egg wise when I did my soma breakdown. I didn't translate the Like literal meanings of the words of the stations and then go Oh, look at that I then I was like, all right. I gotta kind of come up with a way for how does this apply to the station and the events that take place there Is like, well, I mean I dad is going to do this for every time that a character speaks in spanish, which is reasonably frequently It's quite a bit. Yeah. I mean this takes place in spain essentially. So You know, like he's not yeah, I don't get anything for this Yeah, it's um, it if it was like a latin word inscribed on a thing that wasn't given much detail or whatever That's one thing to speak like. Oh, look, they put the you know, but no Also, he's not getting anything for this either. Andy. Do no Do it down the poop shoot How big is how big are their cocks that the hole there on the front has to be so big Jesus christ Look at that thing monster Look at him inside the boots a real puss in boots Nothing You got nothing and you're skipping over so much. Why couldn't you just compliment? It's like, wow This is a lot of just the choice that they made here with the visuals Someone highlighted that uh, he does do a sort of wrap up at the end and he might cover some of the things that you skipped over Yeah, that's what that's what I was saying because he did that with multiverse and it lost in points It lost him From the jaws of history He gives himself points for his recap. Uh, I believe Cinema sins will just go through it chronologically and then once it hits the end It's the end. Whereas with cinema wins. He'll do like a recap Of uh, of who actually just like have broad statements about the film that go beyond just like, you know One or two sentences. It's like a constructed argument Basically his general takeaway on the film And he'll continue awarding wins kind of once he's got complete character arcs and that kind of thing Because he'll be like, what what did we learn? What was the film about that sort of stuff? There'll be things that he he may have skipped here, which again, you know That that can help him a little bit maybe but it could also determine him Um, I mean it's just like a matter of Accuracy it always is. It's just like what could you what could you pull off mr. Wins? I'm gonna say Very as some people say like none of this is shocking like I don't know man I'm a little bit shocked because this film is excellent. I I feel like it's something we need to consistently reinforce This is one of dream works best Yeah, I would argue jammed and filled with things to play it is 50 points easily right now It is gushing with points of praise like I feel like a blind person would be able to praise this movie more effectively than him Yeah, he's he's missing so much. He's failing on so many levels and yeah It's really cool that he's pointing out these details about like the the bells and you know There's death in the background and everything and that's really cool Um, but he is floundering on like the broad story observations at the moment Not accounting for double points. Uh, I I think rags. Did you say he was on seven points? Yes, he is currently if you can if you can believe it I think we went into the bar scene and he was at five And he somehow was only able to scrape two points out of that entire scene insane So that means because he's currently on number 35 36 That means he's got like one in five of his points is a point when we were Not drowning the negatives when we gave it a rewatch. Yeah. Yeah Uh, last night me rags if we get to that seat. I think rags you were like it's the scene It's the scene. It's the scene. Yeah, this is like one of the this is one of my favorite scenes just like ever It's like this this elevates this movie from being a fun kids movie to like holy shit. Like we got blood boys Yeah, it's like oh exactly bloods like oh, we're doing something here. That's we're not fucking around We're like kind of all right and swears It's sort of doubly annoying me because like statistically there have to be people watching our coverage right now of this movie that haven't seen it And this film is amazingly good and he's not doing it justice So you would think this film was no different than any of the films that he covers including the absolutely abysmal Films that he covers. Yeah, he's not distinguishing it from those films because he's he's he's got like the same general I think it's damage. Yeah, it's the idea that like oh well being relentlessly positive to the detriment of any like an All negative criticisms at all that that's somehow a good attitude to have when in many ways it is detrimental Because at the end of the day like appreciation of good In some way reflects on the notion that there is a capacity for something to be bad Uh The because that was reading chat as well and it was mentioned It's like he's not going to be able to praise it to the point that you guys do it sort of thing And it's like no no no he has had moments where we've given him points for such He just doesn't most of the time and he often gets things really wrong Yeah, so he either gets things wrong or he just doesn't it's true. It is his job You know our standards are high for a youtuber of this size and you know everything. How many subs does he have? I don't know too many a lot. I think he's just he's missing Like he's missing a lot of really obvious stuff that deserves being pointed out 2.16 million subscribers Jesus Christ And that's the thing by the way This is the standard like like so why so many people fucking love his coverage of pushing boots then They just be like because he said it was good And they also think that it is good. So the video is good because It's how it works for so many things like basic affirmation of your your experiences That's what a lot of people look for in videos, which by the way, not even criticizing that I just feel like we could do a hell of a lot better than just affirming people's points of view So can we yeah, can we level up a bit? Just go back to the blood so you can even point out It's like oh wait This is like a funny movie that has a lot of good comedy in it But also really good drama that still it's a proper story because somebody people say like oh, it's a comedy It doesn't need to make any sense. I need to be tightly written And this one is tightly written and very very funny on top of being like super super tight Well, yeah, how do you deal with that tonal balance? I mean the scene exactly broadly is dread is like dread inducing But there's there's more than a few jokes in there Exactly I can see how this would legitimately scare a kid, which is good scare And this would would be I would give them two points for that if you would point that out What you need for any kid that gets scared by is watch the rest of the film by the end you won't be scared Yeah, people will remember the ending the ending is yeah the ending is what they take with you know Boots Tabby tabby tabbies are the best cats and if you can get one that stabs your enemies He's so good complain zero. I knew his darkness What is what is people's favorite cat like, you know, I don't know cat lions Are there I think he meant I don't know like the kinds I Like I kind of like the Sphinx cats. I think they're really weird and I kind of like them There's something about they just they're kind of weird and strange And I look at them they're all pruney and you just want to be like man, you probably you're probably Are a strange thing to hold in your hands Um, I don't know. Well as well I like tuxedo cats That's why I agree save a tooth tiger baby. Don't care if they're out. Oh, but yeah, if we're talking about cats What are what are everybody's favorite? Let me Look at a list of We've got two smiley dons here. We've got two smiley dons. Do you need to look at this? Well, no, like of domesticated cats. I do. Oh, no, I'm I'm asked can you not tell by the answers of smiley don that I'm trying to That's why I was confused here, but I was looking up the chart that has all the cats Like the Japanese bobtail and the chart true and the I think that there were there are so many good choices for the coolest cat, you know, the coolest cat species Some cats out there something that I would emphasize as well Because I think that when you ask cats broadly people start thinking about lions and tigers and And cheetahs and ocelots and stuffs and bobcats and lynxes and all all manner of cats But I feel like I want to come in and remind people that domesticated cats They're pretty cool. Like they're pretty cool cats All right, I'm gonna so I agree I got a few I'm gonna throw out there That I really like from this chart um, I like the Egyptian Mao I like I like the sorrel And I like the Ooh, I like us the Siamese. That's pretty Siamese cats are really cool Yeah, they're they're neat looking their patterns. Yeah, so there you go. We got some neat ones in there and of course, yeah Abyssin Abyssinian those are kind of neat and there's a Lavender cat. He has his little tiny short stubby legs It rags now now I need to know if we're talking about cats in general. What's your favorite species of cat? um He said lion it would probably be like a lion or a mountain lion So like a lion or a cougar. I I really like them and panthers are up there, too They have this, you know, the this thing about them I guess Two fucking two people in chat said Smilodon is not a cat. Uh, I googled it. It says It is most widely known genus of sabertooth cats of Smilodon the sabertooth tiger a large short-lived cat that lived in north and south america Um, there's this follow-up question that says people also ask is sabertooth tiger a cat or dog Wait, why? However, since since we are talking cats. I want to give an honorable mention to hyenas Um, or yeah, they're more clearly more closely related to cats and dogs Even though hyenas are special and as in they are the only hyena day They are under filidae Um and not a canadae So there are several answers related to whether or not Smilodon is a dog. Is there something here? I don't understand No, they're just wrong look at it I don't want to get too etymological or physio magical or anything is sorry lay one hook, but um It look at it, you know, some of them are pretty clear What what I will say is that sabertooth have evolved convergently several times throughout history in various animals But uh, that doesn't make Smilodon a dog Sorry, sorry, just should be clear. I I don't know why I said lay one hook. It's carl Carl Linnaeus not lay one hook. I I don't know why you said that maybe it's l just like this question Uh, are there any sabertooth cats still alive? And it says no, they went extinct 8 000 years ago Oh, damn it. I guess I kind of understand Yeah, it's it's perfectly reasonable to ask because they don't seem like crazy It's like it looks like a big cat like we have but with a you know big pointy teeth I think it's just funny no matter what look the the question of what animal where they say over like nearly 10 000 years you're like No, again another little fact the Uh phylocein the Tasmanian tiger is a marsupial. It is not a cat It's yeah, it's it's not even close to a cat It's uh, very very very very very different from a cat. It looks more like a dog But it's not it's a marsupial and it's gone forever And speaking of like animals that have been extinct for thousands of years Like obviously the smiley don is not like unheard of to think that people might not consider that but if we look at the timeline Consider that while the great pyramid was being built Mastodons there are mammoths. Yeah, we're still roaming the earth So Mastodon's a cool name as well Yeah Yeah, it's a good band. I will uh also Because uh in terms of the answers of cats Siberian tigers are pretty awesome. Very very cool. They are really cool I'd like to mention oscelots as well. I think My favorite oscelot is babu from archer. Oh, yes No, babu babu. He's an oscelot that archer befriends Is that okay rags? Is that okay with you? Is what okay? That's what I thought. Oscelots are great. And also, uh, bobcats are pretty cool. I like bobcats I like the brand of bobcat They're really cool cats uh cats and nifty critters like person boots Because I think here in arkansas we have bobcats mountain lions and I think we have black panthers. Yeah in australia. We've just got domesticated cats That's pretty much Yeah It's really interesting when you see like those big cats in captivity and they've been raised around humans and they basically just Turned into giant versions of house cats and they do all the same body language and everything that's oh, also Shout out to jaguars Jaguars are pretty neat. Yeah Okay, they're like jungle cheetahs in a way, but they're more like big cats and instead of the right way Why do so many americans say jaguaya? Jaguire do americans say jaguaya? I thought everybody said jaguar. Nope a lot Never heard People people do say jaguire here. Yes, it might be because Elemenum in the mill something No, we know that that one doesn't count because like we spell them differently. They're they're Okay, so But as far as I know people say jag jaguire A lot of time here and I think one of the reasons is because the car Well, so I was gonna say um Just so fringy gets a refresh sort of a pickle rick when he's fighting the the bounty hunter slash guy I call it and he calls him if rick calls him jaguaya And I remember being I thought he actually was saying jag dash wire And I was like that's an interesting name and then the subtitle was jaguar and I was like Okay, now i'm confused like I think I guess I I just developed a jaguar So yeah, yeah, I I think that's that makes it jaguar is the one that's confusing. How are we? Jaguar the jaguar I don't get because if you look at the word J-a-g-u-a-r. I believe so I don't Know how you get jaguire out of that It might just be the because most people see the speak it more than see it written and because of the cars and the imports maybe But don't the cars have jag done. I have it written like beneath I'll be right back, but I can continue if you need maybe i'm not sure It's got the logo on it of the jaguars head, but I don't know I feel the logo for jaguar was uh A jaguar Yeah, just the jaguar. Yeah completely Um, the Atari Underneath the pouncing Well, no, they're both they're both very similar the jaguar logo is a Pouncing jaguar with the word jaguar underneath it. I'm not saying it too much and it doesn't sound like a real word But uh, yeah, puma is I think the same thing in essence Yeah, all right, let me use the puma logo. You know, it's another Because someone's mentioned yeah, it's uh, it's a much more Like lesser known cat the sand cat that chills out in the sahara It's a tiny little cat that roams roams around in the desert. Oh these guys. Yeah, I hear they're like they they yeah, they They're really neat and they're like really really really small. Oh my god. Yeah, they're tiny I think they're the tiniest cats aren't they aren't they the tiniest? Yeah, they are the smallest cat. They're the smallest cat. Yeah, they're really small It's pretty neat I remember and there's also the the Scottish Highland cat as well. I saw a video talking about them that they're like a really uh They're like a very rare species of cat that they're partially becoming extinct because um Because of breeding with domesticated cats. It's like diluting the uh, Scottish Highland cat Yeah, they look really neat. Yeah, they look neat. They're a bit more chongus than a domesticated house cat They're they're a bit bigger I gotta say they are cool But there's there's nothing beats the the the chill energy of the Scottish Highland cow The real over the eyes and everything there's just They look so fucking chill. It reminds me of that dog from Looney Tunes Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Hey, Frank, you know, they do the little check I told you we're saying Scottish Highland cat and I had that image of my pet. That's kind of funny Yeah, because people are mentioning the palace cat. Have you guys heard of that one? You know the palace cat? Uh, let me double check because I think I know what this is It's a very very very expressive. Oh, yeah They look like they're frowning all the time. Yeah, they look like they're always upset and perturbed I know very little about cats and looking up all these different types of cats is really illuminating. I never knew they existed Yeah, we should give us all these Cats are seriously like some of the most cool animals like cats are Especially in their many configurations and varieties and all of the Like all of the niches that they kind of fill out with the same like general overarching Skills and traits But it kind of varies because you know some cats like tigers are really good at swimming There are a lot of cats like leopards and jaguars that are really good at climbing trees Obviously lions with their like social structures is kind of interesting And then you got the one. Yeah, like it's and mountain lions and and lynxes, you know roaming around in the snowy areas How do you feel about uh, the khajiit? Do you have any opinions on them in general? Right, what's uh, well, they have where's if you have coin? Exactly Some strong opinions on the khajiit, but I can't say them on the stream Right. They're like the cat people Yeah, yeah in elder scrolls. Yeah, I thought yeah, but we were talking about like real Like cats that exist in the real world We're talking about the khajiit. They're like I know we spun off from uh, I know we spun off from pushing boots here But we were talking about because there was about tabby cat. You know what actually, you know what? Shout out to gizargo everyone just I want to give a big shout out to gizargo Because gizargo for those of you don't know I think he scales I don't think he for a lot of the companions that you can get In skyrim have like a cap for how strong they can get But I think gizargo doesn't have a cap He's one of the few followers who just keep scaling as you, you know level up where some might stop at like 30 or 50 So shout out to gizargo. What a what a cat underrated to be honest I uh, I have no idea about this. So this is from skyrim, right? What's the name of the oh jesus everywhere not all in skyrim There's a khajiit in like near solitude and he's an asshole He gives you a quest to go and kill someone and he tries to kill you I can't remember. What's what's his name? He's on like a boat Someone in chat might know unless I've misremembered this horribly I I can't remember which one you're talking about Because you're not you're not talking about myique the liar, right? That's that's a different guy. I don't think so Yeah, it's a different guy. Um Apparently i'm thinking of an argonian never mind. Sorry Oh, you're talking about day. Did you did you something like that? uh What what what's her name? Uh No, it's he it's the guy sets you up to go something and his sister tries to kill you, right? Lights out jerry raha is his name jerry raha. Yeah, that's it okay If you see how obscenely huge mancoons can get Yeah, they can get like ouch Well, uh, they can get pretty pretty big. I got a couple of examples in the root chat. They they're like They're very big. They're very big. They get very I'm so what likes what to deal with them. They're like just normal domesticated cats or and i like some Yeah, there's the biggest breed of uh domesticated Cats that i don't think of any while like they're not like savannah cats which are like half domestic half serval So these are just like they just get really really big. Wow. Okay. Yeah So don't don't you like that? Once I start to get really big it's like, uh, all right careful now Yeah, they're but they're also like ultra docile like they're really really okay, right really chill personalities Ragdolls are even more chilled but uh, they they they're they're they're called Do you know what ragdolls are fringy? They're pretty pretty cool. No, they're known as a ringbell So they base they're the fluffiest cats you'll ever meet. They're pretty big as well And they're called ragdolls because they go limp in your arms when you pick them up because they're just That oh wow. All right, geez Yeah, they're they're really they're like, um, the japanese spits of the cat world and the, um, karma Um, let's see. I'll get a photo. They're really cute. Um Oh, yeah Yeah, that's look at them Look at them go Oh, yeah And they grow for four years What wait, what sorry they've so the so usually cats only grow for like the first 12 16 months of their lives Ragdolls grows for four years. They have a growth spurt of four Jesus Man, I'll start for those in chat the reason we can't return to the video is that moller is not not true. I said I think mel was the only one who listened but that's okay. Well, I assume that we said carry on. Are you again doing something? I thought you meant carry on without tangent about I said I gotta go but carry on if needs be Oh, I thought you did go carry on with the tangent about cats What It was well Look Moller is having a moment. We should just carry on. I'm smiling thinking about all these cool cats and Yeah, it was actually really convenient because I came back at seemingly the settling of the cat conversation. So Unless you had any But yeah, I think it's more of a Biden moment. I let those I said they could continue without me All right, I mean, it's okay. I know you guys need me here because otherwise No, we didn't want to carry on without you because You're also one of the scorekeepers. So you and I are the most important people on this stream because we're Playing my thinking as well. You would keep the track of the store. So I was gonna just You know, that's rags when I got back what I missed but to be fair, I was listening the whole time I'm very much enjoyed and the smiley dons I I loved listening to the cat conversation and shame on anyone in chat That's like I'm here to talk about movies not cats like you need to open Open your view. I think what I would have to emphasize to you at this point is with me here You just have to be used to these kinds of tangents occasionally. You say this like you're not you've been here for ages Myself and rags are very pro-animal too remember that big old conversation Was it the the wolf versus the bear? I forget which which was a brown tiger versus the bear It was the grizzly bear Which which we had so much feedback on all kinds of references and discussions. It was great great All from a super chat so asking who would win But what would win? He got their fucking money's worth out of that one. Boy, let me tell you Bear wins. Um, but yeah, I think we're ready to carry on Well, he gets zero for this one, but what about the next one? And if you can get one that stabs your enemies, who could complain? Why would you need one that stabs your enemies? Cats are like expert It was a joke fringy. Yeah. Why can't you stab your own enemies? You fucking Stab their enemies with their retractable claws Except for a kitty because she got hers removed which makes me sad Yeah, don't declaw your cats or I will hunt you down That's like one of the the better parts of the first movie because there's so little to remember of the first movie But that's a part where they like do get a bit serious and you're like, oh shit. Okay. Yeah Yeah, push push moves one is like very just you know, it's like air then then this one my god. Yeah Yet when it stabs your enemies who could complain I knew his dark and mysterious eyes were enhanced. No judgment though. We can't all be nester carbonyl eyeliner is such a beautiful thing Um, I don't think that that's worth much that he's saying. Oh, isn't it funny what's the boots has like eye liner How much is that worth? I want to see the eyes so I can like You can see it you can see it see there you see well, yeah, I was trying to get the pause on Yeah, just a little bit Is that enough to get you a point to point that out? No, if he said that he was wearing eyeliner because of the whole ego thing then maybe but he hasn't done that Well, yeah, I assume he's not right. I assume that he's trying to argue the the Designers have put black around his eyes to emphasize the sadness Isn't it running though or like because It's running because it's eyeliner. It's being washed out because he's crying. Oh, if that is yeah, you're right Then if that's he needs to definitely pull that's that's like the point to make at that point. Yeah Yeah, so uh, that's uh zero points. Yeah, it's a visual indication that this is him at essentially his lowest emotionally, but Yeah You can make the observation of something to do with ego that he deliberately does this to maintain An image and an appearance and that that's being washed away, but he hasn't made those observations. So that's zero zero points Unless he's taking the route if he didn't he didn't want to be judgmental because some people use it just for you know Yeah, but sure, but then you miss the observation. Yeah, this is no observation at that point Yeah, he hid behind makeup This is the bit where he's like he's got rid of all of his clothes and he's not You know, he's naked and now he doesn't even get to keep the eyeliner like that comes off as well The disguise is completely gone Yeah, and he hasn't mentioned that you would be getting a point for that. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, you would be getting a point Right back to gleaning. Wow. He skipped over him digging the that's one of my favorite jokes in the film Is when he turns around while crying it starts kicking the dirt Yeah Yeah, and then he tries to sing and he cries and he can't do it and like the eulogy of everything and And the introduction of mama luna is hilarious with the health department And instead it's like look at this cat who's looking at his balls and like, okay I mean, okay, I I feel like we missed a lot Has he skipped a bit where he's peeing in the toilet? No, well, he's not there yet This um, I'm not sure how to feel about this in terms of like is this point worthy? It's not um No, it's just a cat being a cat. You know the one where he pointed out the guy in the crowd It's like that's easy to miss and it's it's um, it's like a very human reaction Which he points out that he had as well where the guy gets the Spanish splinter and then you might go In your own thumb sort of thing, but like this one is is more so Look, he's so he's so unimpressed. He goes back to cleaning like look at that bird back there Oh look it flew away. Whoa It's like two points. Yeah, that is Yeah, more what they do You know, um, some people have said like you better not award a 0.5 It's like if if there were a 0.5 we would still or something close to it We would we would try and push it to does it get to the what I was gonna say Is does it either get to is it closer to the zero or the one and I'd say this is closer to one? Sorry closer to zero Yeah, this is a zero this isn't yeah, this is no especially with what we skipped over to get to this like this Is what you're commenting on It's strange choices right back to cleaning How do you know it's cleaning? Yes, he's back Huh what I mean It's it's funny, but you've got to you've got to explain why if you're gonna be getting a point for this Yes, he's back. I'm assuming because it's a reference, right I don't know Oh wait, is that like the toy the cat? No, I don't know what he means I don't get it. He's talking about the cat doing the the thing right the stun like oh shit back from what? He was in the first movie. Yeah. Oh, okay, but what I'm just thinking was like is that is that a point? We'll see here's the thing like I didn't know that I was actually gonna say I feel like that proves it's not a point zero because you didn't even you'd have the clip Surely that would do it. I needed you guys here to tell me what that was a reference to instead of saying Yes, he's back that cat with his hand up is in the first person boots movie Yes, I think so Well, I mean, I'm not sure it's the exact same cat, but I think so. Yeah Okay That can't be a point then because he hasn't that's not what he said. Yeah I had to have you guys tell me about it. I let it know. No. Yeah. No, I think that's fair Yeah, he he needs to put a bit more effort and he has to go get fetch the visual. It's easy. Just go get it Been in a tiny amount of work I mean I like the editing for the most part in these I just but like it's in favor of you know Yeah, a really amazing script. Ah Stupid meetings charlie kelly would like a word Charlie gets a point you do not There's a reason that puss or pickles is that geez we're still at seven He hasn't made a point since we left the town. Oh, he's about to say something That is uh, a little bit strange. I'm just really happy in there and it's because no one would ever give up their orange cat Oh This is what this is what I don't understand the whole idea of yeah, look at how positive we are It's like, you know what you're implying, right? About other cats how they're kind of lame or this is kind of being right. This is kind of low-key racist Also, I'm in the department of uh, I've been the I'm in the abyss of between zero negative one right now And I'm figuring things out. Okay. So first of all, I need to detect the tone of this point I think there's a reason that puss or pickles is the only ginger tabby in there And it's because no one would ever give up their orange cat. He sounds like close to serious You could easily rephrase what he said and put that in a sins video He could be saying isn't it convenient that he's the only ginger cat here Because of course the actual reason is that by making him the only one here it makes it so that he stands out Yeah, you know true. Yeah character design if all of the other ones are variations of like black gray or Compared to know that he's not from here. Maybe he's like like exotic. He's not actually from this place You don't want these other designs to encroach upon puss because he's the main character So you also make sure that he still stands out because he is kind of out of place Well, and also how uniform they are there. This is where it all goes to die Like nobody exactly has grand adventures here Whatever this weird observation is about how like oh, yeah, all these other loser cats getting surrendered Not like Everything you could say about this he opted instead to say well, no one gives up their orange cat Yeah, but they'll get rid of the black ones is like Calm the fuck down wins zero points here. All right. This is nothing Nothing observation I mean I was like I said I was I was uh, I was in the abyss between zero and negative one. I'm thinking about this What do you think is nothing at negative one here? This is just an insane observation. That doesn't make any sense I I think it's meant to be a joke because he said before like about tabby cats I think that's all he's trying to do like I said if you listen to me you're running joke Sound very jokey the way he delivers that compared to his other jokes. I presume. This is a joke Deadpan joke is gotta be it has to be he can't earnestly be saying all right. This is bad because Is a feline supremacist? He in there and it's because no one would ever give up their orange cat There's the obvious change of his beard, but the more subtle shifts like I get what mollus saying his tone is clearly different I just feel like I get a different sense when he's telling his jokes It's a joking text, but he says it in a way that is odd for the rest of his deliveries Maybe when he recorded the vo he forgot that it was written as a joke Because he really believes it It's an odd self-report on his racial attitudes, chords, felus, domesticus A lot of people in chat felt it deserved a negative one, but I think The the vibe is zero here. I don't know The thing is I'm not fully convinced of zero negative one life. I felt like I was like the closest to it So all right, we can all right. We'll do zero points, but I'm watching you win. Yeah Oh my god, that's definitely you're watching you. There's uh, it's that people which one the one that's coming Yeah, it's like you're not breaking the law by saying that word, but I don't have to like it. Yeah, that's people suss for sure You guys got him in chat actually you could use him if you want there he goes Yeah, there's a people suss. See jack-a-tack put the suss on the tism guy Oops, there goes gravity But the more subtle shifts like puss going from walking on two feet to all fours even his ears are down more often now Yep, you got a point. Yeah, that's a point. Yeah, that's a plus one. Good. Good lad. Yep. Good job So boots has always used the wanted posters as a way to introduce characters, but we're really up in our game now That's uh, you didn't say why Come on there's so much to praise about it. And then look at the bottom of the tabs. There's nothing written There's no information on them. None of them are taken. There's a tubble And of course the fact that it's got wanted with unwritten there and like texture Yeah, well, she's underlined, but he's not like given anything for it Yeah, so yeah, you get out on the joke. The fact that that The fact that that was the best image that they could capture for this dog that they're trying to get Rid of as well. It's really funny Yeah, so you got zero points If if we were rating based on the offensiveness of this missed observation to be a negative one But we're not so it's the thing is he comes so close because you know, his brain is in the same dimension But it's not area. Yeah You know, it's like they always do wanted posters for introductions Look at how they've done this one. Isn't that really cool? And then you're like, oh, yeah Tell me about it. And then he's like anyway It's like every time he's up to bat. It's foul ball after foul ball He's not scoring any points like he's making contact, but he can't do anything with it He can't convert that into something productive and like I said people point out He's not like you guys not going to do just like he has before sometimes he does Adults making videos on youtube. He has two and a half million subs And plenty of time too And plenty of time Yes, the scars on pedito's belly make me even sadder because he must have had a family at some point Or maybe it's just a nice vet taking pity on him Well, what do you mean he had a family? We know the story. We know his origin story. Yeah, and that's how I'm confused. What? Why is he saying he must have had a family? Is he talking about it like in the present tense, you know, like as pretending like he doesn't know what's coming next Because we know this story Yeah, he hasn't done that before he has foreshadowed before that's true Damn Uh He has scored one point since we left town and come to you from this one too If maybe it's just a nice vet taking pity on him, but it also makes him sad because he must have had a family the vet performed Back alley organ surgery on him or like he was he hurt there and he gets Well, the implication of that first sentence that Is he like you're scarred because you I guess he didn't have a family or that's sad What wait well mallet just be clear moller. Don't you have you don't you work? Don't you have one because you know where where's yours because mine's on my right side Where is your family scar stitch? um I didn't get because we all have one everyone who has a family has the the the stitch massive scar Mine's just on my right side. You can't see it because of the fluff, but but I assume you have one I was that he's saying Pareto couldn't have done the stitches himself What does that have to do with whether or not you have a family not medically qualified Again, what does that have to do with whether or not he has a family? I don't understand the connection And then as people pointed out, it's like he's so weird to sort of phrase it this way when he confirmed has had came from a family later um cat A family would take him to a vet Okay, so the reason I guess I'm confused here is like the you could infer all kinds of things from the fact that he has a scar Yeah, what's that to do with the vet or any like What what he's phrased in a really silly or not silly, but a really he hasn't explained it because The the the reason why he has a scar is probably because at this point We know that he had a family because we saw the wanted post or the unwanted poster Which means that he was probably abused by his family Or otherwise Yes, yeah, exactly. Yes. He's just he's living a rough life. He's got a scar so Yeah, he's really I guess focusing on the stitches and saying it must have been a medical professional to do so Which isn't even necessarily true Yeah, I mean about this like professional work there as far as I was concerned the scar was just indicative that yeah He's he's suffered at some points. Yeah, he's you know, which is obviously we get confirmation on that later Yeah So is this a zero this is a Satter because he must This no, it's a negative one. The scars on the belly make me even sadder because he must have had a family at some point Or maybe it's just the the nice vet taking pity on him His point is family and the point he's making here doesn't Rely on that because the scar doesn't have anything to do with the family and the scar is not the stitches It's the scar the scars on predo's belly makes me even sadder because he must have had a family at some point His his point is that the family would have taken him to get medical attention and now they're gone So that's sad, you know, they they were there now. They're not there Or because the only other option would be that he got injured and some vet that he stumbled upon took pity on him Which again, it's just so weird that these are the two conclusions. He has about what that scar means Even though what Fringy said was basically what I feel is exactly what the film's intending to say Look, he's got a scar. He's had a rough life Yeah, what else could it be? It's a it's a detail of like on him I And and that is not what's being said here And instead it's weird stuff about families and vets Especially weird when we we get the story later. So yeah, I don't know what to say about this I guess Nothing or is it? Uh You are I just zero All right, we can do zero. Uh, we can do zero. Yep zero. Yeah. Yeah Do you do not find he must have had a family at some point to be a particularly Stupid line That it crosses into negative one territory If I don't even understand the point This is like the the inverse of insight, you know, like it's It I think it goes in opposition to the references from the film. So I think it counts to minus one It's guys that would push it into negative. I the reason why I'm going to zero is because I just fun I do not understand what he's trying to say. Yeah, I Get it the point. The point is pretty clear about what the film means and he goes in a different direction with it He doesn't point out what the film was trying to say We've talked about all of the I I'm so I'm I'm I would argue I'm solid on what he meant now Which is the the scar with the stitches implies that he used to have a family that took him in whenever he had injuries That family is no longer here now because he's here. That's sad Where did that family go and then he says oh, well or maybe a nice vet took pity on him As in he's a lost dog wandering around and some vet did the surgery slash the medical attention That's that's what he's saying And of course that the reason why I'm like what the fuck are you talking about is because later in the film we get information on Hit the state of his family and then secondly, that's not what that necessarily means that he doesn't Yeah, so like I think it's a minus one. I think I agree. It's minus. Yeah Had a family at some point or maybe it's just a nice vet taking pity on him Puss is so traumatized at this point. He sees the silhouette of death even though it's actually Papa bear Yeah, easy, but yeah I mean he needs And he skipped over mama luna he skipped over goldilocks and the three bears Um, he he skipped over one of the best He mostly skipped over Pareto's introduction. That's real. He does. Yeah Because of course that like there's a lot to be said from the fact that he's Drafted a disguise to look like a cat just so that he can belong in this place and have some food and companionship Well, I'm doing um, no hubbly English. So that falls up with that. Oh speak English either What the come on Excuse me my darling I love that we had an entire scene of the three bears when I didn't talk Cockney london accent that much more endearing I mean, that's what they did. Yes. It's a subversion. I guess that's a point. Yeah, I think he gets the point He's establishing contrast Yeah, yeah, I think sorry in there Good job wins. Yeah So you got a point Go slow down otherwise because he's he's now at memes prediction pretty much is nine. Oh, no Okay, we need more negatives head on the hat just We need more positives Just noticing that puss still has the scar from where death touched him with a blade Continuity observation zero That's I don't I know it's it's right on his forehead and everything. I mean, it's like it was bleeding we saw I don't know how much credit you get. It's kind of like the gingerbread man's legs Like at what point is you don't pointing out basic continuity Um, maybe if you'd said ain't it fucking cool how subtle it is And yet it they made sure to keep it there because it's important and it You know, it's going to be on his mind for the rest of the film as well that that moment It's something that kind of adds to it more than just that's the scar Yeah Yeah Yeah, because someone's just said like small easter eggs. Like I don't know if that's an easter egg That would be it would be a mistake if it wasn't there That's like saying his beard as an easter egg, you know It's part of the character design at this point in the movie. Yeah, so I think zero for that Yeah, they've met the bar, which is to not contradict Yeah It's got to be a zero We're death touched him with a blade. You ain't well freaked for brains. What a nice way of saying such a mean thing Nothing wow he skipped over so much. Oh, yeah, you're holy moley. Yeah, we're already okay. Wow. He really did He's already down the pipe Wait, hold on. Has this skipped the introduction to jack? Uh, no, not yet. No, it's he skipped over basically he skipped over a push You know discovering the wishing star and then But on um back up again on this point had he said What a nice way of saying just a mean thing which is very much indicative of the relationship The father has with the son that a lot of the things he says could be interpreted as pretty derogatory But he always tries to cushion it in a way that's less Overly offensive or something. Yeah If you'd said that I would give him a point, but this is just Yeah, go get it later with uh, you know, you do have dingleberries Saying such a mean thing encouragement If you made a comment about him, why did he say it like character something but yeah, zero zero Nope hate this Wait, what why is that a thing? You just didn't like It's gross. Yeah, how is it? Yeah, he said nope hate this and gave it a win I guess because he's saying that it's like, oh, it's good that we hate it Well, he didn't say any of that so zero Yeah, you get Listen chat like minus two minus one is like no It's nothing. He just said he didn't like it. I hate today. But yeah Jack is so big his wanted poster doesn't fit in frame Puss in no, that's about no, that's not even no that that's a negative one. That's just a norm That's what a normal poster would look like. Yeah, he does fit in frame. That's normal But the entire poster I mean you you can just you can just roll the camera a bit further back to fit the whole page But I don't Yeah, this is I think I agree. This is a normal wanted poster. This is just an incorrect observation. This might be a negative one Damn it. No one else. Yeah, none of the other wanted posters had the entire body of the individual in there It's just normal. That's also true. You lost a point for the wanted poster. How do you find these? How did you do that? Well, he says this wanted poster doesn't fit in frame. Not that he doesn't fit in his wanted poster just Yeah, but he said jack is so big. Yeah, that that doesn't make sense because that's Photo of him is so big that it makes the posters big. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense Yeah, that's negative one Oh boys in bastard the egyptian goddess is that You don't know Okay, you could have pointed out that that's a cat and he's a cat, but you didn't even go that far Okay, I don't even know what to say about that comment. It's just it's just a picture a bastard Yeah, it's just a little meme. Sorry nothing Okay, she's got us. Is that the beauty in the beast floating flower? Yes, you don't get you don't get a point for pointing out all the way Yeah, the way you get a point at the like the closest would probably be like So this is another awesome bit of detail from the animators because and a bit of respect for You know outside influence and then showing it in its source and then showing it here Instead we just said beauty the beast Yep, then then you gave yourself a point so you get nothing I feel like we're in for an influx of zero because the scene has so many references to different things It'll depend on this context if he gives us something Insightful about it instead of just saying beauty the beast Aladdin He says at this point filling the hole in his heart, you know with all of these trinkets It's just like okay character observation. Yeah, you go. You got a point Baby unicorn horns half is heavy. Look, maybe he's not totally evil. They could be cabin in the woods unicorns I don't know what that means Cabin in the woods uniforms There is a unicorn in the end of cabin again. That's just a reference. Oh, you know, that's a reference. Yeah It doesn't mean like that they could have been they could have belonged to creatures that are more evil. Is that what he means? Maybe maybe he's like, well, they Does that justify ripping their horns out? Yeah, which also doesn't work because they'd be babies. They'd be babies. Yeah So it doesn't Yeah, yeah, you know where i'm pushing you, right? That's a bit weird If it's an animal from cabin in the woods it deserves to be killed and have its unit It's horn. Yeah, I this is borderline on it's okay to abuse them if they're from cabin in the woods Evil babies I think I know what he's saying, but I know what he's saying it's such a stupid way Okay, in case anyone thinks we didn't fucking like it's negative one in case anyone thinks we didn't get it He's saying it's not so bad to harvest the horns of a unicorn that kills people compared to a unicorn That's all nice and stuff But it's not the unicorn's fault in cabin in the woods and it's weird that they're baby unicorn horns So you surely are not okay with that sort of a wids That's right because it isn't okay to kill baby hitler because he hasn't done anything wrong Nor is it okay to harvest baby hitler's unicorn horn But true Let's just look at the optics of this joke here. This is the scene that is meant to emphasize just how Extra evil he is and what is the caption? Look, maybe he's not totally So it's that unicorns have their chance I don't yeah, I don't like this. It's like obviously it's a throwaway joke, but that doesn't really change anything I mean throwaway jokes can still be wrong and or like creepy and weird and It might be one for a vote. I could be argued either way. I'm stuck right now Well, this matches with his like remember we got peepo suss on him for the No one throws away And I feel like this this extra animal comment. I think wins has some demons. He has to fight regarding his treatment of animals Which I personally am uh, I'm not too keen on All right, what's what's the food? I imagine that it's either it's either a negative one or another zero with a peepo suss Which would make it a minus one because that's two people That's what the peepo suss is for people suss is anti-inspiration I think I'm okay with that as a rule that if you get two people suss Yeah, two people suss mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that two people suss mean a negative one Motherfuckers trying to get a double digit so we keep stopping it well, wait, what's uh What's the peepo for what so what's the inverse of the peepo suss? Uh, I don't know. It's a regular peepo happy kind of like a peepo salute or a peepo yay I feel like peepo yay is really strong. That's just like yeah already there Technically peepo suss, but positive as in like I'm not sure you're you're doing the right thing, but yeah Yeah Oh, is it gonna be this do we have the coffee or okay? Well, surely that's too positive as well It's a light positive, but like in the suss is a light negative You can apply suss when Sorry chat we're laughing at our private chat filled with funny Just imagine that we're putting funny peepo faces while we try and figure out what I love this guy Inverse of the peepo suss is That one is great. Yeah He's off to do some business You don't have to work Everyone we're gonna take a break and look at funny peepo of ojis now Mola that one's funny if you put the gun next to it the All of the funny over the gun Wait, no, what the unicor next to that? Oh, I gotta put the unicor next to that Oh It's like Yeah, I don't understand how isn't that already big positive affirmation as opposed to like 50 50 What's the um, okay, maybe it's not like an outright laugh or like a peepo. Hey, you know like a little That's like, okay, like he's even trying to stifle it just a little bit by putting his hands over his little mouth I've always thought of that laugh as quite quite encouraging. He's he's having a lot of fun Uh, yeah Yeah, he is having a bit of fun It doesn't have to like I said, you could just be it could be just a positive suss when it could be okay People pat right like, you know, you're doing your best and you did something good, you know So don't worry about it too much, you know, like you get a little bit of credit. Maybe peepo pat But in this case that we have Yes, because two people suss is equal two people suss equal negative one Yes, we're not using a decibel system. Okay, we're using a peepo suss system. Yeah, it makes kind of one point sense We can use just a flat peepo glad. It's the one like a little light smile like a light sort of smile Yeah, we can use a peepo glad for just the whole People glad seems fitting Yeah But in this case, yeah All right, so two people suss equal negative one two people glad equal a one I don't think we're going to use a peepo glad much honestly Probably not but it's there in case we need him. He's there in case we need him. I still understand why it wouldn't be suss both ways May oh, yeah, like oh, yeah Good because we don't want to confuse negative suss with positive suss. That's probably why we don't want to do the suss. Yeah Well, yeah, that's just memory of that point. I guess Our speciality. Yeah Oh, you could always me and rags take a note so we could always note positive suss or negative suss Oh, this is gonna get too complicated. Let's do I I'm okay with peepo suss people glad I am okay with that as well We have to go right ahead Is money and bopping along emperor urge pedo is pure evil What Detail that he's pointed out that in the background he's counting money It's honest not even in the background Maybe this is maybe this is an example of peepo glad Oh Boy, it's a good thing. We had him Glad we established the system But if he said if if winds said Pinocchio is dancing in this scene Same thing, right? Yeah, are we saying it's worth a point because it's in the background kinder And that's I it's too prominent. It's too prominent. I think I'm inclined to agree. It's too prominent It's like you're supposed to notice that if you simply look Corns Gepetto counting his money and bopping along emperor Gepetto is pure evil. He's also saying he's pure evil like that's why That's the evil to count the money involved for the fun song Who's emperor Gepetto? He's like an emperor because he's an evil man trying to make money off of uh, Pinocchio doing his dance that I mean correct me if I'm wrong Is just just Gepetto show up at the beginning of shrek. I can't remember I can't remember actually. He's in yeah, he's in it's been here I have a lethal wooden boy Yeah, he's giving Pinocchio to the gods or something very beginning. Yeah He says like I've got a magic puppet. How much how much do you want for him or something? Yeah, I don't have pure evil really, you know Yeah, we we need kind of a back story. Yeah, maybe Pinocchio was a fucking dick like Maybe it's an annoying Yeah Pointing out the detail these counting money is like neat and fine to me But then following up with these pure evil is a bit like wait what? What I mean evil one has been weird Yeah, I almost think that it brings in a peepo suss that that counters it all and it's just zero I agree. This is both peepo suss and peepo glad at the same time which cancels out to zero It's really strange that he would call emperor Gepetto pure evil when This flashback is is about jack who essentially is pure evil Oh, wow Simple premise jack doesn't have any magic, so he steals it all now That's you get nothing It's not that he wants to make sure no one else has it He's the only one yeah because magic was precisely the thing that took attention away from him when he was younger Yep, like he this that doesn't deserve a point. Yeah, you Yeah, zero zero. He's a point. It's a simple premise that he managed to be reductive even with that. That is actually kind of impressive You can just barely see kitty before she opens her eyes Yes You I just yeah, you can see uh, yeah Yeah, you can but she's right there. So, you know, it would be weird if you didn't see her and she just like Transmogrified out of thin air I think peepo glad it's too much for this. Yeah, it's basically all right zero It's just it's yeah, it's continuity Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's it fits underneath again If he at least said something like the design takes efforts to bind her into the darkness But the it's very much if if your eyes are on it you can see it before she's revealed Exactly like it rewards you paying attention to not necessarily What's the focal point of the scene if you let your eyes wander and you're very observant good boy Then you can sort of pick up on things before they happen Before she opens that's not what he said Oh, no The stewed observations also can't you know, it's not it's not That's just an observation Believe jacked sisters with matching face snake tattoos so dirty Zero again. They were I I can because That's what he's like. Also. They were murderers. Also. They're murderers. Yeah They seem to be thrilled to tell jack about all the murdering that they had to do So I know the scenes not over it was just that random film talk was like this is gonna be filled with all the references in the room It was like you probably won't even do that Yeah, I had too much faith in the guy that I thought was gonna finish this evening with five fucking points He didn't even mention the noble phoenix. We'll see we'll see maybe you'll do it at the end Of shame, please. Fuck me quietly banter is still top notch. Also. How dare she that's a beautiful beard You don't get you're gonna tell us why it's top notch dialogue. Yeah. Tell us why It's dialogues good point of great observations It's supposed to be dead. I got better as easy as turning back from a new time Zero again Yeah, we're just wasting all those opportunities, but zero again Will he get to the the glorious 10 points with we're waiting Talking fairytale. No clue why jafar is on there, but this might be the most brutal thing I've ever seen in a kid's movie jafar. What okay first off, okay Now I called you racist about the animals But I think you might also be a little racist with the people too Just because you see a brown man with a beard doesn't mean that he's jafar I don't know Do My negative comes in at the this is the most brutal thing I've ever seen in a kid's movie It's like we've already had more brutal than this in this film I'm thinking this is actually negative I want to play it all again. I already want to listen to The delivery, okay talking fairytale. No clue why jafar is on there, but this might be the most brutal thing I've ever seen in a kid's movie. Corporate is the most innocent I know I am happy to say negative too. I'm just shocked you didn't say it's been a lot in Oh my goodness. I was not expecting this this evening Jesus That means that we are back down to five points. Oh, I have six so I might be uh It's impossible to really say anything other than whoops, I've got six you've got five so Chat which sounds more accurate Well, we'll get to the end. Maybe we'll fuck back up together. Wait. Yeah, do we want to lobel it because he's racist? Oh Okay, I just realized everyone's spabbing five and I'm like that makes it I was like wait, but they're a little inclined after what just happened We'll just we'll just carry on. Yeah, we can we can just carry on That's what happened so zero Yeah And I've only had this happen with the zipper of my jacket, but Do you have a beard in the zipper of your jacket? Oh, it wouldn't be a beard. It would be your pubes. You got your pubes caught in the zipper Where do you you wear underpants? You can have zippers on a hoodie rags Yeah, but the head is getting caught in the zipper. Oh chest here. Chest foreman. Yeah If I have a zipper on No, the observation is not that there's so much better things to say about that Well, oh Oh god, and you know what happens right after it. Is he gonna get that at least? Uh, yeah, probably I No one says their own name like puss. I'm not sure there's any name Antonio couldn't make sound badass Also, watch get his eye roll. Dang his upper eyelid No, uh, we're almost just praising Antonio Banderas's performance almost I even feel like he quite got there No, I don't think so. What was this one? So just to clarify puss giving back to the people is not anything Um, it could have been but it's not anything. No one says their own name like puss I'm not sure there's any name Antonio couldn't make sound badass It's it's it's like it's maybe people glad he's saying Antonio Banderas is very good at voice acting Yeah, but it's not a particularly in depth or detailed, you know Yeah, he's saying why Because if we rephrase what he said he's saying Antonio Banderas is good and therefore it's a win because he said his name Sound and it sounded good. Like that's not anything. That's an observation Hmm if he was saying it was like you're right. Um, it would he'd need to give us why Antonio's doing a good job Yeah, here. It's literally just he said the name and it sounded good, which isn't True. He needs to talk about the the acting like the what he's doing. Why is it good? Yeah, you're Zero What else you got it couldn't make sound badass. Also watch get his eye roll. Dang These are all gonna be a zero as well, right? Yeah, I mean we It's too. Yes. I mean she's a character that is existing and reacting to things around her Yeah, it's it's it's not yeah, it's not subtle or interesting enough. Yeah It's not like a secret subtle expression that belies some kind of If he was making good observations, he'd be like, oh, it's kind of interesting because at the end of Puss in Boots, they were on good terms. So what's happened? You know, we're getting a whole bunch of that in this scene that she is. Oh, yeah. I don't know that. Yeah I don't I wouldn't know that any of that. Yeah. He's not mentioning any of that So he's missed all the observations he could make for character I haven't seen Puss in Boots one. So I would know that so he missed off and that's in that film So if he was actually doing observations, he could go Yeah, it's interesting that our introduction to kitty that she is really unhappy with puss I wonder what happened. I wonder what we're gonna learn, you know But we're getting a blast of that right now, but he hasn't even done that Like if you point out the eye roll, what does that mean to anybody who doesn't like know, you know, you know, you're not providing any insight Why is it someone said all the rides? Someone said these are all just neat pics. They're not even that they're uh, it's not that it's not it has a context less Yeah, like you can't say isn't it interesting that Luke spared his father here? Wow, it really shows how much he cares for him. It's like that's not a neat pick That's just the thing that obviously is happening A neat pick would be like the the bell's chiming and the number of shock houses on the table that kind of thing Her rolling her eyes is just it it's a thing That's just her like she has to be doing something just because your eyes aren't focused on her necessarily Like she she's she's alive in moving in this film. She's gonna be doing she has to be doing something It it's a good thing that this system is basically an opt-in scoring system where you you aren't penalized For not doing things you're only penalized if you choose to play the game and suck at it, you know Or else this would be oof. He'd be in a Pasm of things missed and opportunities lost. Yeah covers his pupils at first and since the whites of his eyes are red He looks like the devil The whites of his eyes are red So they're reds He's saying that the first time we spot him you can't quite make out the pupils And so it's just like red eyes which makes him look like the devil Which is kind of to me missing The aspect of it's a more it's super intimidating to have him have fully red eyes I don't know. We're supposed to be referencing the devil here I think that the the the point that he needs to make is that this is this it should be nudging you more and more Towards understanding that he's a supernatural entity. Yeah Missed opportunity that sucks is that why did he show up here and now in this moment? It's like it's because pushing boots up to this point has been lacking confidence This is the first moment where he's like I gave back to the people I succeeded in the in the heist I'm winning. I feel good and then there's death. It's just coming back, you know, puts some boots is back again Of course, he's pursuing him because he hates the legend. He hates he hates that he hates the ego So the coins in the eyes comes after this moment, he's just complimenting the fact the If I can roll it back a bit more you can it looks like he's got fully red eyes at one point And since the whites of his eyes there, yeah, there it goes. So that's just because yeah, the brow is it's cool It looks really intimidating. I don't know that it's supposed to be referencing the devil though Like he's supposed to look like the devil as but We have this with the devil or two distinctly different characters. Yeah, satan doesn't come for you at the end satan doesn't have the scythe that yeah satan is not death Is our red he looks like the devil and I mean charon's coins I know it's a fairy tale so the rules are loose at you see, but I feel like puss should have figured out that he's not just a bounty hunter Why Why would I don't even know? Also, look how far away puss is at this point Just noticing these put the two coins on there. Why would you even assume he's a fucking supernatural being? Why would you Yeah, it must be charon It must be the greeks were right I don't know what and he's he's he's impugning puss's character here He's saying like why hasn't puss figured out that he's depth yet? So I think this might be sliding towards the negative territory Because you wouldn't have assumed this if that was you in the situation You see what I mean? He's saying I feel like puss should have figured it out That's it. That sounds like a character criticism to me And you know that for he's being objective here because this is this is killing foringy's prediction of plus 40 But I think this is sliding towards the negative It and is it negative too because he's wrong on like a few layers there? I'm not look right. We don't need to go that far Also, let's inspect a little bit. I know it's a fairytale. So the rules are loosey-goosey What is he saying? What does that mean? Yeah, so that people don't actually have to behave like reasonable people would Because right after that it references what puss should have figured out You're right like it sounds like he's saying Puss not realizing this is okay. I guess because it's a fairytale and rule. You know, I mean, this is like Even though he should have negative one. That's a I agree. It's a negative one. Yeah, I don't want to go as far as negative two. I agree The so Yeah, he is Just a bit just for just so we're all on the same page He was at a seven when we left the first town after initially meeting death We're doing four now. I've decided I'm going to adopt your four instead. I was at five But I feel like uh, I think you did you took yours down with more confidence than I did. So I'm going to adopt I merely adopted the four you Just a question are we are we thinking anything for the Reference to Sharon's coins if that is even explicitly what it's supposed to be I think it is because the whole point for the point on the Yeah, yeah to pay Sharon the ferryman But the fact that since sorry wins hasn't elaborated means that we're just treating that part of this as a zero Yes, that would be zero the way he says and I mean Sharon's coins Is like that's he doesn't even seem like he knows Oh, no, no, no, hold on. Is this not a continuation of his previous sentence? Which is about the eyes making him look like the devil and now he's referencing the ferryman. That's a new point That's what's a new ding He started it and new ding Yeah, remember he's pointing out Sharon's coins are supposed to be the clue to push that this is obviously death What? And I just want to tell you that I mean it's weird that he showed up, but I don't think I'd assume he's dead I assume he put Maybe he's being cheeky Is what he's fucked up here is that a lot of people in the audience may have assumed he's death Even earlier than this, but it's because we're watching a film Like that's that's very different. We know a story is being told We understand the references if you've picked up everything you're like, oh, he's death But like a person in the universe. This is a fucking bounty hunter who's after him There's a straightforward it needs to get Yeah To this yeah, very also as people pointing out Sharon isn't death and it's like yeah, I mean, it's true Yeah, that's right Whatever He isn't you was almost he was climbing up to 10 at one point, but we have fallen Almost got to double digits and now I don't know. Maybe it's a lanceretic reference. You were the chosen one This is bad guys. I said he was gonna make 25 and originally I thought I was low balling it I think Yeah, if he finishes this on like really low points Does that mean that you guys have got to find like an even better film than this to give him a second shot? This gonna this probably mean well No next one is mid and then we'll we'll reset because I feel like everyone's gonna want more more cinema wars episodes over time but The um because I find it particularly amusing to watch cinema wins praise a shit film. It's so funny Yeah, as we said, this was home turf. We are closing in on What like like we're not quite halfway, but we're getting there and if he's at four points now Then the average tells us he will end up at about 10 Maybe I mean the fact that we're this far away and our point system is you know negative two to positive two and he's At a four that means he's really not actually that far away from zero Oh, yeah, he could he could be racist at any moment. Oh, yeah, he's one. He's one minority away from a two So we've gotta We've got to find out what's going on here No, don't do it. Don't you just say it's a reference Did we end up melancholy or you know, I have a psiamese dream melancholy I don't get it. Why did you misspell melon? Um, am I missing a reference here? The I don't get it. I mean, he's referring to melancholy the word for sad Are you know have a psiamese dream tangerine dream uh, psiamese a mega mind reference so Smashing pumpkin's reference. Yes. Smashing pumpkins apparently, but I it can't be a reference to that surely Smashing pump. Are there songs by them psiamese dream and melancholy are those? Yeah, psiamese dream and melancholy are both the names of albums by the smashing pumpkins. That's what it's referenced there you go He gets well Oh, wait. No, that's no, that's not about. Yeah, it's got nothing to do. It's gonna say give him a point for that No No, no. Yeah, that's why I was like. Oh, wait. Yeah, that's right. That's just a reference. He's doing that's not actually That's that's all him. Yeah. I mean, I guess clever, I suppose, but you get no points Yeah, it would be the same as he told a good joke. We'd be like that's nice zero Oh, those aren't horses now. We know we're jacked out as display horns. I don't know No, because they were babies. They were already maybe maybe they grew up to be well. Yeah, that's what I mean though, but that's not That's not anything really they're just like, yeah Do I mean like I'm trying to think of what would we have said if you'd said if you slowed down you can actually notice the horses and attach the carriage or The the horns have been shaved off. So they you know, but like I don't know Is that a peepo glad Hold on the way that I noticed that when I watched the film so that that could be all those aren't horses No, why would you have unicorns and be like, oh, that's not a horse Well, no, I mean the fact that he says now we know where jack got his display. We already knew that he already said they were from unicorns Yeah, so the there's one of my brains have so much trouble with this. I was like, that's not the comment We we we were explicitly given origin of the horns What he could say is all of the weapons of the baker's dozen Are like aesthetically like cooking equipment the cheese grater acts and might still rags The rolling in mace might still you never know He might he might but uh, what are we doing with the horses? I hear um anything or peepo glad Like he I feel like if he had phrased it as like, oh, here's a blink and you miss a payoff to the unicorn I think I'd happily give him a point if you put it that way But instead he's he said something that's made me feel weird and like what We already knew we got them from but so that's just not how you'd phrase this Well, that's just flat out incorrect because we knew it before and he's saying now we know So that would actually make it incorrect because we knew before I'm not gonna I feel like zero is this Zero is fine. Yeah, I if if he had pointed it out that is like a neat thing I could go peepo glad but yeah, because of the sound does he have any people glad's in stock by the way No, the last one canceled out the peepo We know we're jack got his display horns. I don't believe you that's okay as long As you believe in yourself. What is he deranged? Yeah, self-confidence can come off like that sometimes bad What what is the self-reference? No, that's not self-confidence He's telling her that she should be so He's referencing himself. He's saying that like I'm relentlessly positive and the some people would think of me as deranged because of that He's not even the movies are relevant at that point. He's just oh So he's saying that he's burrito Or that he I mean, you know to be fair, that's his channel. I constantly talk positively about every film Yeah, but the difference is the burrito is like Which feels more honest though more authentic Yeah The more the more relevant part would be the burrito wouldn't feel compelled to say that You know, he'd just be like, haha, you know, that's something called that before anyway Burrito actually pushes back on some things like like when they try to name him at the end Yeah But yeah, cinema wins doesn't stand up to the villain. He affirms. No, he praises the rise of sky walker. Yeah You are not like burrito, which actually means that this Burrito would say what a stinky movie the rise of sky walker is Wow, isn't it great that there's lightning here on this planet ding Look look burrito didn't didn't um praise unicorn mutilation baby unicorn mutilation. Sorry. Um, I'm just gonna point that out Yeah Is that what is that what do you mean? He's talking about himself. Do you think that's what he's doing here? Yeah, yeah, I think he's referencing the channel burrito That's okay. Then I don't like it. You believe in yourself. What? Is he deranged? Yeah, self-confidence can come off like that sometimes Um, that's isn't that an insecure statement? You know I'm ranged I'm self-confident. Yeah, like Are you sure you think that's what that actually is? Okay. Yeah, all right I mean if you're completely deranged, then I guess you would be confident because you wouldn't have any perception outside of your own Yeah, that's a that's a tangled statement. I don't know what I'm saying I'm happy to just leave a zero Leave a zero We can just move right along I don't think he references himself. You're kind of doing the armchair psychologist. I mean to be fair everyone constantly does armchair psychologist I don't know Like it doesn't really matter like in terms of deciding someone's motivation. And then secondly, um, I don't really Take any issue with him referencing himself alongside elements of burrito. It makes sense Because of the nature of his channel, but at the same time, it's just like you could do it with more elegance I guess. Yeah, purito's better than you know, you're fucking place That dog stupid dog. Hey you you there get out leave it I love this bit. Yeah as many names as puss. They do have a lot in common How many names does puss have? No points I don't know Pickles puss. He has two this there's so much you could have done with this I'm trying to remember was there a meme about like puss having a bunch of names in the other films or I have no idea. I can't remember Like is he trying to make a really tangential reference to multiple lives or oh chat's right stabby tabby No, that's what he called him. That's what oh, that's yeah, that's uh, that's what winds called him Oh, I'm pretty sure he said stabby tabby in the film Oh, okay, okay I don't remember him being Oh, he has titles. I can't quite remember Somebody yeah, el macho gato is another one La crichera Yeah, so he's got a bunch of different names. Yeah, okay. All right. I mean Better mean how much is that worth as an observation here? I think that what I would have gotten a point I guess is like it's an inversion of of the reasoning behind having so many names, right That he's celebrated as a legend then burrito is listing them off as all derogatory like, you know Yeah, he didn't like in like they're in like they're supposed to be Not rise to a One. Well, he's not elaborating. I didn't say anything. Yeah, all of that was us That wasn't him. We had to figure out the jigsaw puzzle He just put the pieces on the table and he's like, I don't know. Fuck dang you figured out Zero Yeah, no, it's it's a good joke. Yeah, um zero Yeah, yeah Yeah, any more correct, but you get yeah, he he slowly tries to pull it. That's what happened. Yep zero And dog knows what's important in these transitions Another zero. Wow. You've skipped a tremendous amount of shit. Oh my god. Wow. Yeah Whoa He's not wrong. Poor little guy got caught in a cuteness crossfire Nothing again. Wow. Why did he write him by zero again? Yeah, whoa I'm so confused why he skipped certain bits and then pauses on like that just to say it was cute and then keep going Not only do you only say it's cute after playing He watched before he made the clip of that being the explicit point. You know, I mean like what? You're not even pointing something out that wasn't said in the scene pretty much For instance, he's not pointing out that this is a setup Yeah, that's true. He's gonna learn how to to maybe you'll cover that when he gets to the payoff That's a wishful thinking. I know Yeah, when I first Just quickly when I first watched the film having now seen it three times. I didn't really like that scene I thought it was Almost a bit It was like they were milking a joke for too long, but it also feeds into two totally different scenes later in the film So like position-wise it really really works and it's not a waste of time at all Yeah, and it enhances the competition element that is still present between kitty and You know, we try to outdo each other Exactly might seem like random bad words smashed together the map really reflects what each of them fears for kitty It's being alone because she can't ever trust anyone and Yeah, you got a point He was nearing to the he gets one Yeah, why nearly two because yeah, actually when I said he was nearing is because he sounded like he was gonna develop it further than he stopped Yeah, I think there's enough data points in there to be like she fears this because of this she fears this because of this He fears this because of this he fears this because of this the lost souls are like his lost lives And that's that's that and then perrito is like, you know, that there was enough He didn't say anything about perrito and the fact that his is reflective of his serenity As in as a person that and and that all of the ways that he well I mean we're not up to the scene with the flowers But the fact that navigating through it is about just chilling out and essentially going with the flow and and being very uh zen Micah's rich rich enough to hype and I already around somehow having the bears from east london makes them more adorable Just did a pub in stratford being bears. Nope. You don't get a saying that they're British Nothing If you at least argued it that oh now i'm really starting to think it's like Did you even say those things just because like some video told you that that was the axon origin sort of thing? I know I said planted the seed because like you'd think you would have more to say if you was able to recognize that But it's like oh, they're so so homely because it sounds like they're in a pub. You're like Yeah First off, I don't know if you've been he's been to a pub, but uh, it's it's not I don't know it's strange Well, you get all kinds of crazy characters If you ever go to a pub you're probably gonna find someone who's like man if I had a wish I'd get the most purple jacket Ever or maybe you would because he's horrifically drunken intoxicated. So maybe at a pub you would actually hear someone saying that If I don't wish Jacket pants alone. All I smell is bullsh- Just skips over the scene and talking about he's talked like belly anything about goldilocks and the free bars It comes with character because that's the scene the plants the seed of like, hey, so what's what's actually the deal with this wish What do you are he just what are you looking for? He just did it again. He shows a clip of shushing here and then he says he's shushing here Yeah, I yeah Mm-hmm zero points zero Petito's story makes disney tragedy seem like a walk in the park and he literally uh, bambi watched him other die That's true. She got fucking killed Simba watched uh Simba watched his father die die and he believed that he was responsible and he believed he was responsible exactly Are we gonna talk about? Like We're not saying we're not saying it ain't bad. We're just saying Perspective Kuzco got betrayed by Isma who had raised him. You know go through that. That's true And he got turned into a llama I'm sorry I said she is a boy Is he gonna give a point for this really can't be kept better not better not Okay, it almost scratches the point to highlight that like despite such horrors. He's able to maintain his But you need more I wish he needs to develop it more than that. I don't think it's enough to just point out What's happening? Well, because this ties into the map Well, the thing is is that you need to point out because it's it's it's not enough What's what's helpful in terms of watching this like well, what's to deal with parida? Why is it that even though all of these bad things have happened that he can't be kept down? It's because he's always looking for what's the positive angle in this situation because it's one in here Right where he's like well jokes on them because I got like a free, you know, I grew into it And so I got a free uh jacket like a free sweater out of that Events and that that's consistent throughout the film that he's always like. Yeah, but I got this out of it Yeah, and I had this so why what what reason do I have to want for anything? It's not good enough to say like Yeah, his story's sad, but he's happy. That's not good enough And because it's odd I look to the chat and there seem to be some discourse here just to be clear Bambi is male Bambi's a guy. Yes Bambi is a male character He's a you could see the horns on his head at the end someone would seem to be very confused about that, but yes I saw I actually saw a meme the other day about Bambi But the voice actor was able to like go to war and serve all these tours in the war And do all that without Anyone figuring out that he was the voice of Bambi as a kid And I was like that would be an interesting story like in a combat zone You know fighting for the country and get your guns and tanks and someone's like, oh, shit. Were you the voice of Bambi? I want to make that a movie and then there's like a uh, uh, spirit be reloaded here that follows Maybe that's actually that's probably in port taste to call it Bambi reloaded. Um, never Damn it right that it really can't be kept down. Yeah, that tracks took the stone right with the sword in it That's a correct observation. Yeah The observation to develop is that he has no respect or appreciation for any of the It's it's it's like well, I got it So, you know, it's got the stone But whatever when the whole idea is that you need to be worthy to get it But he's not even interested in the notion of of worthiness. He just Just wants to have it so nobody else has it Yeah Yeah, the fact that the light from the the sky appears and then stops and then appears that stops How far he gets it out of the bag the fact that you can clearly tell that him having it He's he's more invested in how aren't I cool for having it? Yeah, exactly rather than earning it because this tells he's not he's not developing The observations about jack. He's not he's not developing it Well, even the fact that um that the stone around the sword is still destructible because it does start to chip Indicating that he wasn't even bothered enough to get a pickaxe and get the rest of the stone off once you just Extracted it, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of layers to this one image here And he's just he's he's scratching it. He's scratching at it much like jack scratched at the stone With the sword in it, oh i'm a bear goes right for goldie to cushion your fall. Yes, that's a point Yeah, there you go. You got that one You get it. It's really obvious, but fuck you need it Yeah How much she cares for her He is making the observations Yeah, we did it. Max was a cheese grater and now his bones Oh, I don't know. I don't know how the now he's bones plays into it I don't even out his bones And now he's bones. I don't You don't great bones do you just he believed that that's how he died. He had all his flesh graded from his bones I was just gonna ask a simple question of what is a cheese grater have to do with becoming a skeleton Yeah, I'm I'm already I'm already on the fence by giving him Like I like I feel like the observation about all the I feel like that counts as a point. That's that's yeah, but but how does the now he's bones does that detract in anyway? Oh Now he's bones Make sure to debone your cheese on my cheese before I grade it Was he literally just pointing out that he's he became a skeleton He didn't mean to connect it to the cheese grater part Because the way what if anyone's missing why we're confused? It sounds like it's it's uh, it's like his axe was a cheese grater and now he's bones You're like, what is the bones with cheese grater and now he's bones What is the connection here? Well him being bones is correct, but it it may The cheese have calcium like bones I was noticing the axe the cheese grater a point more like well Maybe I'm working a little harder for him, but the fact that it's a repurposed cheese grater into an axe. That's cool That's representative of the the baker's dozen. Yeah, yeah, which I I'm assuming is What he's trying to point out with his axe was a cheese grater, but maybe I'm doing a little bit Why wouldn't he point out all the other weapons? I don't know He might they all have they all have the same aesthetic, but he's about to see more of them But this one is the most obvious it's Did we come to a conclusion on the cheese grace a point and now he's bones No, I am I'm out of zero for it. As I said before this is the most prominent and obvious In your face picture of the weapons When he should be like, oh Then all of the weapons have different themes You have the whisks and the the rolling pins the pizza cutters and all that sort of stuff So but he doesn't he didn't take the opportunity to opportunity to do that earlier when all the weapons were in frame And when he even said the baker's dozen, you know, because I don't think he's even referenced that they're called the baker's dozen Oh, he hasn't and their chef themed in their weapons are too But this is like it's so obvious in your face Like you don't get a point for being like, oh, look at the thing that that's in the center of the frame that we're supposed to notice I don't think you get enough credit. You have to expand on it go through the other weapons Yeah, yeah, I'm on board with it being a zero Yeah, I can I can live with that. I think All right, it is a zero then let us continue. This was a cheese grater and now his bones Quality of your character. I'm your conscience. Jiminy Stewart cricket. It's like all the old good time movie moments rolled into one Wow, is that all you got? That's zero. Yeah, zero is nothing Come on Or like he didn't even let the full line play he he started the clip like a quarter of the way through the line It's like, uh, maybe it's for copyright or something. Could be yeah, perhaps. Yeah, maybe Never would have clocked john malini is being able to play pure evil, but he's killing it and killing his poor baker dark Well, she's the rolling and they're putting out the fire I don't know. That's not good enough to just say he's doing a good job Yeah, I think Do we give points for like just the way it worked in mom? I think you have to highlight like an actual performance thing, right? It couldn't just be the problem than just like, uh, good and then yeah, that's not good enough. There's no insight I agree. He's good, but you're not explaining to me. Why you definitely gave points to um No, it was one of them wins. It would have been wins when he was talking about elizabeth olson's Performance in specific scenes for specific reasons But that's not what this is. Yeah, he's just saying he's good Yep, which I agree, but you know We are not good enough to have it not good enough You gave it once for good performance. That's someone I was thinking about did we give it as like a catch all In retrospect, that feels like it's no different to like animation good or which You have to go in deeper deeper than that You know anyone who says that you can't go deeper when describing a performance is complete cop out. So, yeah Well, it doesn't it doesn't matter if we could or yeah, it doesn't matter if we're consistent between Now and when you guys did mom as long as we're consistent between this and wins. Sorry sins We're refining the process. You are right. Yeah. I yeah, I feel like we need more just being Yeah, this is doing a good job. You know, it's not enough most actors do a good job The key is just treating sins the same way when we get to him. That's the that's gonna be the yeah It's a don't trust anyone lessening, but it don't just can't help but be in awe of how awesome the swipe was My beautiful No, it's not that he doesn't even notice it at first. He does he's just so kind of he's he's uh a bit vacant And he doesn't even notice that his Is sure has been taken off of him Yeah, but because she is trying to make a point. So oh, you shouldn't trust anyone because that's stupid You shouldn't just trust anybody and there's like see I I stole your shit and he's like, huh? Instead of going like, oh, I guess like oh, that's really impressive. You can do that. You're great because it's Super positive This point is just it's just a description of what's happening. There's nothing deeper than a description of what's happening You could at least say like his values as a character um puts The skill above the fact that she's just stolen something from him Like you could at least say that but it just Is like he's in awe of how awesome the swipe was even though she was trying to teach him not to trust anyone I don't know Um, especially with how over the scene is like you couldn't couldn't maybe give us more than that Awesome the swipe My beautiful beer it is no So much nothing in this nothing burger holy crap. Yep. We're halfway This is bad. We're at where it's six. Yes This is bad. This is bad. You might you might get a machine gunner points at the end Come on I'm still like at one point. I was like I'm unprecedented thinking you get too many but Now I'm like, okay, you need to speed up a little bit. I said 15. Okay I guessed 25 and I thought I was low balling it. I was almost like now. I'm gonna find a 35 In order for him to win it's gonna be that cinemas since has to tremendously screw up. He does So, uh Last time when I said this he was getting like one in five of his points were right now. He's on one in 14 Oh my goodness. He's made 88 points and he's on six Oh Well random we trusted our guts and we are being somewhat rewarded. It's that's not And yeah, it so was that about self-confidence is mistaken for dimension or being Deranged Yeah, this is Oh, yeah, so someone had highlighted um the By wind count it looks like they funny enough They could have just gone and found out the actual answers But their fear in chat is that there's going to be a bigger total wind count for mo m than the last wish Just by time and winds, which is oh, yeah, look at the you might be right. That's really sad You know, whatever No, it plays Yeah in the face why a plus delivery for us the most despicable line Kind of have to admire a completely irredeemable baddie who just has no idea why bad things might be bad I don't even know that that's the takeaway It's not that he doesn't know what's bad. He knows it's bad and he doesn't give a shit He knows that he's bad he literally says later on he's when he said you're an irredeemable monster He says what took you so long. He knows that it's bad Jack Horner is a super is really one dimensional. He's great, but he's like He's You this red Jack Horner Jack Horner alluded you Has no idea why bet and he said it's an a plus delivery, but he didn't tell us why Yeah, that's a negative one. He he got it wrong I think it's a negative one because I think he's actually like gotten him wrong, which is crazy. Jack Horner knows How do you get jack Horner wrong? One of the things that people point to that they like about him is how straightforward he is as a villain He's entirely self-interested He he wants to be the best and have the most and win Which of course is interesting as a balance because death is like what's like death, right? He has his his agenda and his motives and uh and a specific reason for disliking puss and goldilocks It's like, yeah, she is an antagonistic force in the in the film But obviously her motivations are pretty straightforward as a as a goal that is is Misguided but not like evil or wrong and then of course when you have him in and it's just like oh, yeah, he's uh You know, he's just evil, right? It's a good balance He's the most evil character in the he's the evilest. He's the evil character. Yeah He milks that one dimension for all it's worth and thank god Even look at his even look at jack's face at the end of this clip that plays. Yeah There's that but there's also look at the fucking design. It's glorious The features will be so small compared to the totality of the face And then you got good ol jiminy cricket there Things might be bad due to standing in a skull So wait is that it? Yeah, that was negative one. So I that's right. That's a one. I'll give him Right moments after we were shocked. He was only at six. He's at five now. So But he's chlorine is way back because yes, look he's standing in a skull. Look that's that is I think I think I give him that Yeah, you get a point Yeah, it's subtle enough. Yeah, you might not yeah You might just be like, oh those are trees back there and he's just on rocks Oh, we're giving him a skull. Yeah a one for that He saved himself from getting jack's I don't like to turn around and see your death Why you say he loves it says a zero. There's nothing there. You said that it's confetti and then there's death I love it. Yeah, that's nothing. Could you at least say the word contrast, please So if you should find out that a confetti is human people I don't know. Wait, wait. Oh, wait, what's he about? Let's play now. Oh, by the way, let's before we do it Just bear in mind. I'm the positive guy. Anyway, let's see what he says now When you say you're the positive guy, you mean you want him to win No, it's just he's positive. He's relentlessly positive. It's not like he's gonna say something that has massive negative implications So many enemies don't have any villains these days. Like who's the bad guy in incanto? Exactly. And then this movie has two groups of bad guys and then the literal information They're not baddies The well-elected three bears aren't baddies If he's using it to interchange with antagonistic But yeah, the three this in this film Oh, they're definitely not villains, but like Yeah, oh, well, then he's just wrong. No, but he said so many animated films don't have villains these days And then this movie has two groups of baddies And the literal incarnation of death. Yeah They're definitely not villains. Goldilocks is an antagonist. She's not a villain Villain implies a greater degree of malevolence than she has to be honest with you. I think the um, I don't know if I'd call death a villain I'm happy to call Horner a villain. He's definitely a villain. Yeah jack Horner is the only villain in this movie The uh, the villain is death is uh death as an antagonist And so our goldilocks and the three bears until they become essentially deuteragonists Um, but now I in cancer. What's what's the deal? Um, does that have a villain? It's my antagonist so I can't talk on it. I never saw it So but you are right that instead of talking about how great these are he's decided to say other things are worse Which is interesting. Yeah, which it's not just that he's allowed to simplify them He said, oh, yeah, just a literal incarnation of death. He's a villain Oh, the goldilocks and three bears. It's a group of baddies. They're a villain But that both of those are not true And we need to see what that label was because I'm guessing the author recorded it. He's like, oh, shit Whoops, better put something in there. What I'm highlighting is that he doesn't need to include criticism of incanto No, why does he need to shit on other films to to make the point of the channel is to not do that It's to be positive, but he does it. He does do it and in weird ways that are like oddly negative We are those because we learned the wrong lessons. Remember that? Yeah, cuz yeah, like spider-verse and the robots are right That's right. Yeah What was the tech? What did he what did he flash on screen there? Movies don't have any villains these days is like, who's the bad guy in incanto exactly and Fuck's sake I mean clearly it's abula alma, but she comes around to not being evil. What what the I wish I'd seen the fucking movie because I I'm trying to I'm trying to remember exactly how it goes But I seem to remember that character being similar to the mama koko character in koko where she's Definitely an antagonist, but then she's like what she's doing makes complete sense And she's doing it for the right. She's doing wrong things for the right reasons And then she realizes why I think is how it goes All he wanted to get across to us was the the antagonists are really well done in this film And he has managed to now get us to a point where he's like mislabeled everything in the film and made a reference to something That even he's not even sure should have been referenced Yeah, I think this is a negative two. This seems like this is awful This is an astoundingly He seems to be appealing to the fact that uh, the last wish is better than incanto because it has three Villains whereas incanto doesn't have any Which that doesn't which again is so wrong That can't be your criteria and even if it is your criteria, he's wrong And you're tearing down other things. I thought it was good to love movies not shit on him negative two He's lucky we maxed out a negative two Yeah, this is Fuck me. I cannot believe this is unprecedented. All you needed to do A better observation would have been if he wanted to be negative as well in this thing people say, you know Spider-Man 3 three villains. Oh, yeah, it fucks it up and here you have three antagonistic elements that are balanced incredibly well in less time As well, it's from shorter than spider-man 3. Yeah, and each of them serve different purposes They all reflect different elements of the protagonists like it's it's so easy to do I mean if anything it's even more impressive in the last wish because you've actually got like five villains because you've also got Gepetto and you've also got jafar. That's right Also, I'm not even sure as a statement so many animated movies don't have villains these days It's like well Is that true my man? If you were to actually sit down and lay them out of like animated movies that come out recently well Well, I already mentioned Villains, but he mentioned spider versus the spider versus definitely spider-verse has villains that new wish movie has the villain right who Who I hear was right all along Yeah, well, oh, we got I've already mentioned it but Pinocchio Bad villains in that one. Yeah Italian fascists and that one that was pretty fucking bad Um and the way Well, if he meant that he should have said disney and Pixar films don't have villains not animated films and animated movies Yeah, but I mean, oh it might not be over his point toy story four. Yeah, woody is the villain. Um, that is true Pretty bad just I just want to make sure that it ends here He doesn't he doesn't continue it because I feel he might Exactly and then this movie has two groups of baddies and then the literal incarnation of death nice change of pace What insight to follow all that by the way nice change of pace Yeah, okay It's a nice change of pace Completely different way than the opposite like you said he didn't even know about the encounter thing if he was making the right point Or not in the top right. What the fuck was that? And also the idea that a character comes around to not being antagonistic doesn't mean that they are not an antagonist in a film That's stupid You can have stories where the villain comes around and they're still the antagonists of the story What the what kind of weird? This is what I mean. He is lucky he's capped at negative two There are like many degrees of wrong Yeah, at least Yeah, there's at least I mean, I just thought a villain. Yeah, because he comes around in the end Bear bones would be three was if there was no cap this just the sentence alone on its face is three wrong because of Death and the three bears and Goldilocks and then animated movies don't have villains. So that's three right there Just like on the face of it He's saved by our our merciful negative Oh Wow incredible in order to have more than negative or positive two we'd have to institute some kind of a Like voting slash Like maybe chat intervention negative two of the sus people Oh, yeah, that's right. That's technically the lowest you could go. Yeah negative two of the sus people I think that's I think that's he's achieved the most negative score ever literally unprecedented So for references go on sorry go on so so so this scales only exists for like two e-faps and already he's broken the scale Well done Look a couple years from now when we've done this like four or five more times The power creep is going to be insane on the points that we have People will be making like negative threes negative fives and the occasional plus two, you know So what's it? There's nothing sus about it though. So how does that work? Like the sus at this point is just operating as a point five. That's all Yeah I currently have peepo sus on I treated more as a sus of three like like it's two But the sus is there to be like, you know, you should really have a three a negative three. I'm just saying yeah You are saved by a technicality of the rules that we made for you Yeah, when he has strayed beyond the known limits of our science So we have to apply our peepo susses in order to fill in the void where more numbers may or may not exist Oh Uh super chat just came in first live e-faps since november just graduated from air force basic So happy to be back and catch up on all the missed content Oh, hey, it hasn't been It's not out yet, but we we did a super chat catch up recording It's gonna be out where we got your super chat upon your leaving And so That's why it's like, oh you're back Yeah, I like It's just funny that you'll hear us reacting to your return before you're Is So welcome is a nonlinear Phenomenon it's nonlinear storytelling is what it is. That's how it goes. Nice name by the way han shot last nice name Oh, that's it's true And another hint if you're unsure who the wolf is he's not present on the map Also, nostalgic pines gives us a hint at what goldilocks really wants It does it does it does it tell you who who the wolf is by the fact that he doesn't turn up on the map Does that tell you that he's dead? We can't see the whole map. We can't see the whole map. We also but like if if you genuinely speaking if if all you had was No reference to the wolf at all, but you knew about this map and how it works And I said the wolf doesn't turn up on the map. So what does that tell you? Like maybe Yeah, I'd be like Or spell or like he's a part of the the sister. He's a part of this like he's not a character. He's a Yeah, like if someone said and grabbed him. So he is corporeal and if someone said like no, no, he's death I'd be like what? Well, how does that tell you he's death? What do you mean? Yeah, I can tells you the same as with like the red eye thing earlier where you couldn't quite see his pupils It's suggesting to you that there's more to him that meets the eye But that it does not tell you that he's death No It's I mean really the main way that you figure out that he's death is because of a lot of meta stuff that he has Kind of scythe weapons. He walks around with a black Hood, yeah, all of those and then of course the things that he says where he's like no one's escaped me yet And just the fact that he is mysterious that all of that as a viewer leads you to oh, he's dead But puss. I mean he he lives in a fantasy world, you know Like there could be any number of reasons why this character is the way that he is Yeah, he could be the tupacabra He has sickles Or something like that. I thought I said there's sickles You said scythe Oh, right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. It's sickles and you know Yeah, it's fair. I mean they often serve they serve a similar ish. No, they're very similar It's like it's like the sickles of the scythe kids Basically, yeah, they're for the same thing Um Do we Is it worthy enough of an observation that death isn't on the map to get him a point or does do we need more? Um, well, no I don't I don't like this as an observation at all because I don't think that we always see all of the maps We don't even know for sure And then of course just that he's his observation is that tells you who the wolf is which is like no, it doesn't I do agree. Yeah I've even seen some people say like no, it's death because ever present. It's like plenty of forces are ever present You don't know that like that doesn't guarantee these death. That's not how that works as fringy's already pointed out There are so many better references to figure out that he's death than this Yeah, if all he had said was uh, you you might notice that death is you know The wolf chasing puss is not on this map when everyone else is and if that's all he said I'd probably be okay giving him a peepo glad Yeah, I think yeah, I think that Saying that this should tell you what he is is and that is the context of pointing out that he's not present He's saying that tells you who he is Yep, that makes this neutral You do not get it and plus and a peepo glad would have canceled out the suss that he currently has so That means he's on he's he's got four points and he's on thin ice so Also, he's a colon Wait, is he not he's on four. What was the point he got recently? So he went down to three. So did he not go down? He got a minus two Yeah, so he was at six before he's now at four suss. Okay Pines gives us a hint at what gold locks really wants Go back. I'd like to see that again. Think that was I will make everyone. What do you mean you think? Just fucking google it. You don't think you checked just check it and we'll On one hand, he's going by his rudimentary familiarity with the language Which is like, why wouldn't you just check and on the other he did check But then said I think He's he's like, uh, you know, I'm not sure But I'm unless he's just into a meme. Yeah, he's just meman I I want to go back a little bit. What are we supposed to do with that? Hello, I guess it's just a joke. We're gonna do nothing, but I think rags is right. I think we might have missed something there Yeah, I want to see the transition I think that was I will make everyone bath mats and I truly hope uh You gotta go back further, right? Yeah, let me go back a little bit further I didn't go back far Let me go back The thing is when I like when you pause it it shows the something such and such paused it over the fucking timecode so All right, uh, pay attention to the icon representing goldilocks in the three bears Okay, oh, I thought and another hint if you're unsure who the wolf is he's not present on the map Also, an nostalgic pines gives us a hint at what goldilocks really wants Like her icon doesn't change But her and everyone else's does Is that what the thing is? No, it was he was saying that on the map it's it's like foreshadowing nostalgic pines because that's what she's It's telling you what her wish is before, you know for sure, which How much is that is that enough to get him a point? Um, I thought it was just that they were a group traveling together No, it's the location on the map nostalgic pines because that's what she's that's what she's after I am I thought that that doesn't count because we already did that like earlier. He already pointed out these these mean Mm-hmm. Hmm. Yeah Zero I guess then. Hello. All right. I just want to say funnily enough. He says it gives us a hint But if he'd actually gone into it with analysis, I probably would have given him the point Like reference what she's interested in or saved it for a moment waiting till we get there to better make the point Pines gives us a hint at what goldilocks really wants I think that was I will make everyone bath mats and I truly hope i'm correct You don't have to guess you could just ask someone or I don't know. I'm just like sure someone with your reach. Okay, whatever zero. Yeah. Yeah zero. Yeah. Oh, and how's he gonna screw this one up? All right, here we go. There's so many wins to be claimed here. Let's see how he does I'm not looking for a kid's movie. They really nail what a panic attack can feel like your heart being all you can hear The muffled sounds if you've had one you can imagine the tightness in your chest and that weird feeling like your skull might explode out Through your ears just me That's point The main takeaway is that he's saying the animators and those special sound effects They've captured a lot of the major points of what it feels like to have a panic attack Is he gonna mention the payoff to the therapy dog? Looks like he might maybe Aw Rebecca well and it would still be my choice when I get a panic attack, but potato gets Yeah, you got a point. All right. There you go Did it climb back up the ladder He's got a combo. He's got two in a row. Is that the first time in a row? I think he's done it before he had a good stretch of a couple here. Yeah, and then you can do it I'm supposed to be a fearless hero really roi kenting his feelings. Tablasso. You've seen it watch it All right. Wow. Why are you why would you skip over this is fucking important like Yeah, and also this is her pretending like she hears what she pretends not to hear it Yes, because this means he skipped over his whole story about leaving her at the altar. He skipped that She's here talking to him now But it's just it's super important to talk about because it's it's still kind of where he's at the notion of like Well, I'm meant to be the legend. I'm meant to be the hero. I'm the legendary post and boots, you know That's like that's just some he's still he's not quite there yet He's still latching on to the idea that he needs to be that larger than life person even though he recognizes that Because he's not it's it's the thing that he leads up to later right was the legend big enough for anybody else Was it only big enough for me and then a hard cut to him looking over our leaving the church? Yep Someone I'm noticing is that I had a thought about sins being the we're probably gonna get a lot I think I even said this we're gonna get a lot of jokes because you can't fill the video with criticisms as easily As you would be able to mom What i'm finding is and to be fair that could still be true about sins we haven't seen it yet Wins is stuffing the video with rat like just shitty jokes And he's actually using them on scenes that are rife with just like analysis options Why are you wasting all of these on? I don't like to add lasso. Do you guys like to add lasso? I don't even know what that is. That's a show All right Well, I'm assuming that the character in an episode at some point or several Expresses how he feels overtly and that's what post just did in one of the most important scenes in the whole film And that's all we're gonna say is that that's something that he did Yep, but we didn't even do it in an overt way. We did a fucking reference Yeah, it's That's uh It stinks By the way in the payoff of him getting the gatito blade that was skipped over too I mean, it's just that's true. Yeah A lot of stuff has been skipped over If we're talking opportunity costs is if we weren't penalized if we were penalizing for that He would be well, have you noticed horrifically negative a lot of the way this video is constructed Only works if you've seen the film and understand it Absolutely Well, the whole death they haven't seen the film then you wouldn't understand so much of this. Mm-hmm. It was not good Worst people who told you the name ha commas they matter. I guess Not in spoken words, but still Also zero for that one too Yeah Also commas still matter when you're speaking. Yeah, it's the house But actually it's her family. She already has and then nostalgic pines can really be regarded as a point for this But I see it less as a challenge and more of a reminder. Good Yeah, that's a point. Yeah, that's a point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Or you where are you at rags? About seven. Yeah, same The random zone can he escape Or just Zero Meme did you guess 10? I guess 10. Yes. I'm not sure he's gonna beat that at this rate. Oh, we'll see I'm hoping I'm sitting at 15. I'm hoping we can just just get there. Come on, buddy I also of course Humpty would have checked out the fairy tale book. It was the required reading for the golden goose heist That counts as a point. I think I think so. Yeah, that requires a bit of like, you know, I mean it requires recalling a reference to a previous film Which feels like that's an amount of effort that's that's worth commending. Yeah, it's a yeah That's a good Easter egg. Oh Yes, he created the visual to make it even clearer. Yeah, that's yeah Wait, is is there more to it than the fact that he's worked out that it says Humpty on the library card He's saying that it matches the events of the first film that Humpty would have Brought out this book. Yeah Okay, I really don't remember the first film. No, it does. Yeah It was the required reading for the golden goose and yeah as Easter egg, it's funny Egg heist and would you look at that the first letter has a message? Yeah Wow, it was so quick on the screen. You didn't give me a chance. No, it's it's just but this is the one where it's like, yeah This one got around That's fine, he's putting it out. He gets cool. He gets the point. Yeah, you get a point Yeah, I mean the thing you got from another video is in yours. So you get to have it. Yes I don't think there's anything wrong with finding stuff like that out from other videos Yeah, no, it's it's cool. It's just you know, it's a shame that they like essentially, but he's at nine points So if we took well, I wish away from him, I wish he were more insightful I wish he could provide something that someone else would then put into their video because of what he said That would be cool. Yeah The elements of this being on a scoring system is such that if we removed those points that he got from probably another video Then he would be He would not be doing well point wise. Also. So yeah, they're pointing out. Why why did he capitalized the e? I'm guessing because it was capitalized in the yeah So it's when every no ball is the Yeah, that's still weird. I don't know why you would do that because it's not but also oh, he fucked it up There should be a period You already have it period the last line begins with an ellipsis Oh, yeah, that's true That's kind of interesting. You already have it period gets a complete sentence You I mean you still get the point. You still get the point. Yeah, we can't be stripping a point from him for missing a full stop Yes, you can because But wait, no, no, no, no wait This is a negative one because just a second ago. He was talking about important fucking punctuation was Oh my god the commas So because he gets that does he what he he gets a negative because you highlight a comma and then a moments later You you get the punctuation wrong. I don't think that that's fine. That's fine. I'm just you're saying you're saying that as the Contradiction is so bad that it not only erases the no, I'm fine. Okay. Okay. I was being I was just that's okay I understand your returns because this is your language Show it some god damn respect Okay, you might have just missed it. However, he might well, you know what we do when you miss things What we burn them we we I mean we we don't get points if you miss things But he hasn't only missed something. He's also spotted a big thing I mean, I say he's spotted. I don't like he's spotted, but that's fine He can have the point, but I don't have to like it. All right, true. Okay. Yep. That's noted So he gets the point so that means he goes up to nine grudge against someone for doing something you also did must be No You get no you get nothing for that There's so much more interesting things talking about talking about I don't know. I'll throw this out there. Do you guys think that she was telling the truth there? Because my read on that is that she is not like I don't buy that she's telling the truth there at all I think there's a couple of reasons but that would be a defensive thing from her, right? Like you didn't hurt me that much because Yeah, you know, why otherwise likes would you be pissed off in the first place? Exactly and like later in the film she she says like Something along the lines of oh, I can't believe I fell for it again when she catches him Like if she didn't fall for it the first time then why would she say that and if that's the case that she is lying Then that's surely a minus one It's partly subjective depends on what you guys think I don't think that she would be in a position because if her issue was trusting people by saying what the truth would be Was that she was left there? It would give the implication that he hurt her and had the power to hurt her and made her feel like vulnerable in that sense Which is not something that she would want him to necessarily know The problem with what i'm about to say is that it could justify his analysis but it's not analysis he's got so If one was to argue he doesn't show up post because There's no room in his life for anyone beyond him and the legend And that's something that he comes to terms with by the end of the film She doesn't show up because she doesn't believe that anyone is going to be trustworthy enough to to put herself on the line To be vulnerable sort of thing and both of them Understand like and move on from those flaws by the end Like could one not say that yeah, they both didn't show up for both of their character flaws that they both work through in this movie And that she's mad at him because she knows that he was he didn't turn up and she knows why But that also she didn't show up. I'm saying that that is what could be considered a fair and matches interpretation The problem is of course that what he said here is is nothing Yes yeah, I can I can buy that as an option. Yeah, definitely because it's unclear. I think it's fair to say that he missed the mark And he didn't he wasn't even he didn't look into it in an insightful way To be like, well, this means that you know considering there's a priest and guest This was planned beforehand and that means that if she didn't show up there But then push like like he didn't go into anything like that Man, I don't nothing here. We never want to ban anybody for sharing any opinions, right? But someone just said are we honestly psychoanalyzing a kids movie? Fucking cringe man. Are you psychoanalyzing a youtube stream? Oh So gross give kids movies more respect jesus Um, but yeah, this is probably a zero for me. What is anyone else thinking? Yeah, I'm at a zero I Yeah, I think what I was saying is not necessarily the read you're supposed to have but I think it's a read that you can have So I'm happy to go zero and maybe a people says if it's justified by the stuff in the movie I think it's totally fair the problem. Yeah, but the reason why I'm not giving him plus one or zero a negative one is because I think he's he's literally just a the door of analysis of she said that and and he's done that Hmm Must be love that's where me is there's nothing here. So it's just like yeah, zero It must be love with your one true love Yourself, I mean she really knows him Heart shaped lens flare, I guess these two are feeling it, you know, I never had much as a kid I'm sorry. I don't even hear that one. I was just recovering a lenshade Where yeah, I'm not seeing it maybe go back another couple seconds. Maybe it was a fleeting He should really know I love it. So He's reached double digits. He's reached 10. He's got me Ingers I can count on if I had them, but I don't but I'm a dog But sometimes I have them. I'm like duchess and aristocrats. I have them when I need them Swear, I guess these two are feeling it. You know, I never had much as a kid Just loving parents stability in a mansion Driving baked goods enterprise for me to inherit useless crap like that Man, Jack is really the perfect encapsulation of that word I won't say that rhymes with schmishmillage or he's never really known. Oh Didn't say say more interesting things much hardship and takes everything Privileged but still needs more and thinks his life is unfair. I guess Wait, no, that's not privilege Having print no, no having privilege is independent from your attitude concerning your privilege If like it's it's about being ungrateful Not about being privileged There are plenty of people who have privilege you are incredibly grateful For that privilege that they were born into Or you know, they got lucky and they do good things with it or they keep their perspective This isn't privilege at all. This is being ungrateful and selfish. I also find this interesting He still needs more That's definitely not what you should say. He doesn't need more. He wants more You could you could say that he believes he needs more But you've all you've said what you've said is but he still needs more and then and thinks his life is unfair Maybe there wasn't there wasn't room to put the word believes on the screen. He'd have to make it two slides Well, then unfortunately for him that changes what he said I Never really knows what's hard for him takes everything he has for granted but still needs more and thinks his life is unfair And yeah, then the shish malage which doesn't why can't you just say privilege? Yeah, is that a bad youtube word? I don't say that rhymes with shmish malage Why wouldn't you say like shrivelage or something like that? because it isn't Because it isn't privilege. So that's wrong. That's just flat out wrong Um I'm just it should needs should be swapped out for once and thinks his life is unfair. I'm still stuck on that one late Thinks his life is unfair I maybe thinks it's unfair that the magic puppet stole away what attention was yeah Anything that's unfair. Oh, so what I'm trying to figure out is whether or not. I think this is one or zero Well, if it if he's describing it as privilege and it's not I'm at zero Because he doesn't need it. He just thinks he does as you said and this isn't what privilege is This is being selfish and taking things for granted which he says But he also says privilege. So yeah, which you can as you pointed out you can be that like at any level of Opening, you know material in any way both like high and low. It's more so about the he the character Uh, I'm at zero I think I was um, I'm at zero as well Yeah Yeah, zero I'm leaning towards minus one, but I'll go with zero. Yeah, I know it. I I I you know, there's a part of me that feels that as well It's like a it's like a it's a bad what makes this way it says we know that he missed like his character analysis of jack on it earlier as well, so He's a bit he's a bit wonky on it, but I'm uh, this is close enough that I'd be like Well, let's let's consider that he he does have a p-post us in the bank right now That is true. Let's keep it there for now. I was gonna say I don't I'm not I'm not starting with this being cp of south iser I'm just going with zero Fair enough. Really the win is for ethical bug shaking his head and disbelief. I've been waiting Oh, he's saying he's saying that the win was for him not for any of the things he said Analysis wise the reason this is good is because the bug is good and jack is bad Jack is saying things that are bad and so the bug is Is like not happy Is he's good? I'm not happy either. Yeah, it's just the consistent Fair characterization of you know the conscience cricket essentially You don't get a point for that. That's it's like kitty soft paws when she rolls her eyes in the cart He's like, yeah, that's just it's a character there. That's what they'd be doing, you know Just saying what they would be doing Bug shaking his head and disbelief I've been waiting for a shot with all the bakers to see if they really did a baker's dozen of bakers And I think I've cracked it There are eight in the bridge one driving the carriage three get exploded by unicorn horns and one is skeletonized That's 13 a baker's dozen You don't get a point for that All he just said is the bakers dozen. They are called like group of 12 and there are 12 Okay If they were the farmers dozen and they all had like hose and yeah, you don't get shifted that. Yeah bakers dozen's 13 Yeah, there were 13 of them and they so he wouldn't get up He wouldn't get a point if he said they're all bakers because I mean they are but like that's not really anything That's true. Yeah bakers doesn't they're they're actually bakers because they They are people are saying negative 30 also. Yeah, sorry. I uh What I said 12 I bet 13 in my bed Perfection You don't get a point for that It is it is amazing. It's a great joke, but you didn't talk about it or why Think you'd better name that honestly Team friendship That's great. All right. Yeah, zero points You're climbing us when we just climbed you. No, no crime backs. Oh, we skipped the whole Oh, we skipped all the bear stuff. Why is he skipping all the bear stuff and goldilocks stuff? Yeah, so there are lots of bears have me crying every time I watch this movie and he's just skipping all the This is not fair. This is this is not right Damn it In this film there are loads of there are loads of gags that they they pull out of the um This is too hot. This is you know too cold. Yeah. Yeah, and he has missed everything all of them That's how they're in you know the footprints if he may if you'd put it in the fucking script He would have been like Do you know the original? Also, no murdering inside whatever you designate base Nothing I'm moving on Come on It's so lame that it feels like It's it it does feel weird to but like such a fun not to the fairytale when we're like the movies starting to get to the end And that's how they were introduced. Where were you? Like it's literally this footprints too big this footprints too small this footprint is just right And then here we are at this scene is like, oh, yeah, it's like the fairytale when he says it's just right Come on Come on. There's zero. I'm moving on Hey the thing they did in the first movie Fuck We we have already established like it's it's almost worthwhile to give a point for something like that But he made it literally the worst version of it. He's like that was in the first movie I don't know the context of it because around when we rewatched this I was like, what's what's this about? He did and he provided all the locks has that expression He provided almost what I call enough for the Humpty Dumpty reference So I think this is a zero because he just said it's in the first movie just status from the movie. Yeah, I agree I think I agree as well zero because look in this wait wait if and I haven't seen the first movie But wouldn't this be an indication that puss and kitty are now working as a team again and that But he didn't do that. That's the problem Exactly, that's what I'm saying Yeah, that's what he should have said and I haven't even seen the first fucking movie. I just surmised that from this movie zero Anyone else get in the sense that he doesn't give a shit I do What I'm curious about is in the ending because um It's uh, I think usually in his ending is when you get an indication of how he actually feels about the film Yeah, right behind behind any of the sort of uh, yeah No, I'm positive and super positive and cool Like it's usually by the end the way that he talks about it that you start to be like, uh, so you actually didn't like this film Or uh, you're not that interested in this film. Oh, you did like this film a lot Yeah, I guess we'll say but this does feel like obligatory like it didn't even make that much of an impression on him But it's the film that everybody's talking about how much they loved it So we had to make a video on it Is not providing any substantive Meaningful commentary on the the film itself and what it's about and why it's meaningful and how well it's it's crafted This movie is marinating in setups and payoffs and clever lines and references and thematic through points it is full of it and He is like like I've been saying the opportunity cost here is like the loss is insane the fact that he's at 10 We're at 10. He's got we got like what a third of the 1113 rags at the top right. I left the That's one point per minute because we're I mean we're 11 minutes in not 10, but that's basically yeah Yeah, it's just giving me like big This is just a kid's movie vibes in terms of how much he was Digging in when he was watching like he was just kind of pointing out stuff without even thinking about it Film guy on youtube. I expect better of you Damn it. Yeah, but I mean it's it's kind of funny because the cinema sins formula runs into the same problem of the cinema sins formula Because you need to make them on any film and you have a very restrictive Well, it's simultaneously restrictive and bound by no rules at all formula for wins and sins and also Presumably targeting some amount of length for many reasons why you would want to try and hit a certain length on a youtube video Uh, but then it's just yeah, like if you don't give a shit then it starts to become really apparent It's just crazy. How many observations he's missed. It's insane. This was the easiest one. This film was amazing It should have been effortless. I don't understand We would have given him our guesses you saw the guesses that we all gave Yeah, we would have given him like a hundred points by now had he just Talked about thoughts he had about character payoffs just even a little bit But he's I feel like the scripted version of him is less insightful than he probably would be if you were watching the film With him and he was just speaking out loud probably Hard to disagree yet somehow olivia colman no, olivia's boring Boring. Oh, yeah friendship. It's fun. I'm the positive guy boring It's so funny when she says, oh, that's a crap name, but she's been so kind and everything throughout the whole movie Like it's a crap. Yeah, exactly. Yeah zero moving on Low rent always seems like the worst insult and I don't think I even really get it The rent is low You don't get it you don't do this the rent is low. It implies a lack of quality Why is it hard to get I agree that'll so much. I I agree with those groans. What okay? It's cheap But like is that bordering on negative one like what what is hard? That's just the words I don't I don't understand why cheap means cheap win low rent always seems like the worst insult which it it isn't it's not even close I don't think I even really and I don't think I even really win for the film This makes the film better that I don't understand something I think you're right frigates. I didn't understand what was just said That's true. He gets a negative for that. Yeah, I think this is his format No, he can't possibly have knocked himself back off of double digits and he's still got that peepo sus He's out of meme territory He's now in the in-between zone of random meme man I love that The shaman bear you all do with such perfect delivery. Why is why is it tell us why? Ray Winston delivering that like caring but honest even in the face of him having a fight with his Other you know daughter at the time like he's not even picking a side or trying to deteriorate He's just trying to be honest with it like it's a problem that he needs to be dealt with But no, we just get perfect delivery like Okay What's he gonna say here for all the swearing He just wants friends to rip with Why why why why zero you're not even gonna point out I'm like, isn't it hilarious that this wholesome creature is just cussing those guys out like crazy That he's so comfortable with it that it's not he's he would be like us He's like a free speech advocate of like the context with batter He's just having fun and he's trying to get in on what this whole family are a part of because he loves connecting With people the poppa bears like ha I like the kind of his jib, you know Yeah, they're all they're all kind of happy with him after this rather than like angry anything because they're impressed It's like this guy is like funny Well, yeah, we should adopt him. That's what mama bear says. This is it mean spirited. It's like, haha I'm part of the team. I got to make I got the post on to make names But it's all because we care we care about each other Which again is building his character that he is a relentlessly positive force and that he's so invested in Connecting with people and being with them that he'll sort of absorb whatever their Their vibes are and try and reflect it back on them as nightly. Yeah, he swears Super meaningful in terms of a Observation because it's kind of like the problem that godly locks has right? Well, I'm not a bear So like how can we be a family not realizing that what binds them is They're shared traits and care for each other that it's it's like it transcends, you know, those sorts of bounds So really there's a lots of compliment there for what seems like just a funny joke Just like a straightforward funny gag, but oh, oh well. Oh, well, you know, whatever. Huh. Yeah, we're in ding. Yeah What's that in chat? This park is cringe. The puppy isn't funny. You're wrong Yeah, the puppy is hilarious hilarious. You get a pipo sus Yeah Yeah, just because you're not you're you're in the chat. That doesn't mean you're safe But it really is bonkers how often it takes an outsider to help us humans see how dope our situations are I think we can give him a point for that Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with that Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean it's it's it's what happens in the scene pretty overtly But it's it's slightly enough. I think into analysis of They don't or certainly uh, goldie doesn't appreciate exactly the situation she is in So as much as but yeah See how dope our situations are. Ooh, he's using their own speech patterns against them. Low blow soft boss Is that a callback to earlier in the field? I forget crime because he said it's the bears Say we're gonna we're gonna crime you no one crimes us or something. That's a yeah. Yeah, that's the line Yeah, yeah The kid bear No crime backs You got a point there? I'd say that's a point then. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that counts. Yeah more of that. Yeah, sure Climbing up to that juicy 15. We're almost there wins He needs to work on the juicy 12. Okay, let's the one point out of He could be back to nine before you know it before he sees a minority and things go off the rails So we gotta You never know or a cat That's true um Mola, we keep losing live due to brief buffering at times you need to check whatever it is with your pc The thing is I've got it on my phone just to make sure and it doesn't buffer on there. So if I'm not buffering Then that means you're buffering. Yeah, I'm going to stream up as well and I don't have any buffering Oh, check your internet buds Get that shragged you got low rent internet It could always be worse be thankful there isn't a giant statue made of yep reference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny I was I was gonna say reference and then I was like, oh, it looks like he's done something and I was like, oh Well, yeah, he didn't point out the other references like was it of us you didn't do that Well, um, he doesn't we remember we we've had several moments throughout this film Where we were like, oh, he'll do this and then it's like, oh, he didn't even do that He just skipped over all of it. It's like Mm-hmm It's uh Not really good one. I'll get you my kitty using your little dog too. It's like, oh, that's good. That's a good reference That's a good joke, you know, but no nothing I don't know like a collection of highly flammable and pliable willow branches something like that I refuse to support them as they're there are so many wins. He could get him that is both unhealthy and unsustainable But Why is that an absolute torture or you shouldn't be a wuss being a wuss is bad You should not be a coward. There's a problem is that he's missing He's absent all of the additional context and explanation that he needs to provide that he's in a hall of mirrors Of his past lives that have like a warped perception of who he ought to be So when he makes this observation having skipped all that yeah once again It's assuming that you've seen the film and know what's happening here because if you hadn't it's like wait Why is puss on his own separated from kitty? Like how did burrito get captured at all? Um, and he's now in this in this room being confronted by his past life and not how he's a loser There's something to actually appreciate how they managed to move character positions around based on the the map changing Which is like a rule they set and they stick to throughout and of course You wouldn't say oh how convenient that he gets a wall between him and her is like Oh, well the this this cave thing like it's supposed to trap him in the wall of mirrors Like that's that's like a element and of course yeah mirrors right like specifically designed for him the map designs it for the person This is a heavy self-reflection Like design like it seems to me that the map's whole point is to convince you you don't need the fucking wish before you get to the wish Yeah, pretty much. He hasn't even highlighted that yet. I'm hoping he will Which is why perito doesn't have any any obstacles because he has no interest in having a wish. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Wait, sorry, that was a zero, right? Yeah, just not. Yeah Yeah, even if you knew that's a killer reveal Why tell me why wins? I don't think tell me why zero you don't get a point for just saying oh, it's good death Straight up Scariest cartoon villain of all time. Yes. I'm counting the secret of nim zero. I don't know radigan Yeah, we're right here when he loses this shit. Yeah And I mean we got the horned king, but you know a star transition down to a house rock formation Yeah, that's uh That's that's what's on screen. Yes. You're right was Yeah, Helen killer can see that Also her storybook called her human family a proper family What that's what you're going for what? Um I'm not sure how I feel about that because I don't know I think I will give that I'd give that a One because that's a direct reference to the because that's a direct reference to the storybook that she spent so much time reading So that kind of wording would be kind of ingrained in her for what she wanted Could it also act as a slight explanation of why she would be skewed into referring to the humans as proper As opposed to coming directly Yeah, that's the point you got it there. He got the juicy 12 You did it. You got the big juicy dozen. Can he get to a If he finishes up that scene that'll be so good Someone said he called death of villain again shouldn't that be on mine as well? I don't I don't think I would take that much issue With anyone referring to death as a villain He's being consistent with what he said before while I disagree I he's being consistent And I would probably say it's like for interpretations and discussions on fucking narrative story and everything I was like, yeah, I just feel like it's a little bit more complicated than death as a villain in this film You might qualify with whatever sort of system you come up with but The fact that you know, you would argue his goal is to kill puss in boots or the Representation that he believes him to be and then by the end of the film is like fuck's sake that one's clearly gone He's not here So I'm leaving but we'll meet again. It just seems like a sort of it doesn't yeah It's He's he's an antagonistic force. He's he's death death doesn't like, you know The death is often personified as being kind of uncaring Death can be personified as you know, almost like a universal force of justice a great equalizer There's a lot of different ways to get death and it isn't normally It's not unusual to portray him in in a complex kind of way as well But in order to call like if you call death a villain in this like I don't agree But I see it, you know, it's not a big deal I there's definitely discussion to be had there concerning the nature of death But the bigger thing would be calling Goldilocks and the three bears villains And if you want to do that then puss is also a villain because his reasons for getting the You know the wishing star as well are if anything more selfish than you know, the three bears and you know even Goldilocks, so Um In kitty just wants someone she can trust so she wouldn't be a villain But this is what I meant about categories by the way death is a villain because he enjoys making puss afraid chasing and tormenting him And on top of that he is frustrated that he can't kill puss in the end I don't think that makes you a villain those category that depends about context Like um, you can have a hero character want to make someone feel afraid That doesn't make you a villain the second that you do that it depends on what's happening and why Um The fact that he refuses like he's essentially out He quits the fight death at the end because he doesn't believe the puss in boots That he was after the one he wanted to humble is there anymore In a sense you could argue that death was the one person that puss needed In his life like to to get him through to the next part of his life And that in a way death kind of wanted that because he doesn't want to kill this puss in boots deaf and burrito both they're they're like the two Cosmic forces of nature that prompt him to like change and develop by the end of the film Yeah, that's right because even when the doctor said you're down to your last life puss was like I don't give a shit. I'm gonna keep going because I'm fucking amazing. It's not yeah. I'm puss in boots. I'm untouchable I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing Happy to settle on antagonist. I would even settle on baddie. I'm like sure but villain like careful with villain like Yeah, villain is like you can't like it's the highest category of I think the problem is that people sometimes when referring to it from a writing perspective We'll just use antagonists and villain interchangeably when I would say that there is a difference between the two Yeah, like lowland death in this is definitely not evil So I I mean, I don't know if you guys disagree with this, but I would say that that disqualifies him from being a villain Because if he was evil, he would just go out of his way to just kill puss by the end when he changes his mind because of Why he was doing it in the first place Because someone said like he's 100% of villain because he wants to take the last life of puss not naturally It's like so why doesn't he then? Because he doesn't believe that the puss that has earned like not taking his life seriously is there anymore Like it's so much more complicated than he just wants to kill puss Yeah, he literally says that you know, he he's admonishing Puss for not valuing any of his lives. Yeah But now that he has sort of like reclaimed like he's created a new legend for himself one that respects Death but affirms life. It's like, yeah now now it's like, well, this isn't what I wanted to destroy. So Really, so he doesn't take his life because he enjoys the HUD. It's like, no, he's leaving at the end of this film Because he now like he pushes kind of gained his respect essentially It's just like, yeah, yeah He's not wasting the life which is another reason why death seems to be someone who would Have good values in that he's like I go like more Bias to go after people who don't appreciate the things they have which again with time with jack You know Now that's true love the good you don't get a point for that Her caring about her daughter Bad and the Goldie thought I was being all clever, but it's literally the title track to the score here You don't get a point for that either. You look at the soundtrack and sold the name for a song. That's not the point Yeah, the best you could do would be like this the the name of this track that they play is the good the bad the Goldie He's like, oh, okay. That's neat Also, I really love the Snorri Cam on the map You're the Snorri Cam I mean Like why is it good? What does it do? How does it make an audience feel? What does it tell you about the scene itself? Like give me something it's it's accentuating how much everybody is chasing after the map He skipped the confrontation between uh post and kitty, you know when when she finds him here after he ran off Yeah, and then talking about how like she was like if you want it so much Exactly, so many things that can do here and talk about He skipped so much. I want to die He's still got the uh, he's still got the aftermath Snorri Cam on the map. Oh boy. You're the smash. I'm the crap saving the smash Zero zero. Why would you I thought because I'm apparently stupid that he was gonna be like This is a callback to how she said that you did that But he didn't even do that. He just said saving the smash. It's like, yeah He also missed it when it happened the first time Man It's touching his soul Pareto he's so wise and oh it's getting me in the field zero He's starting to remind me of marvel. Just as a person like I uh, he's he's sitting on the couch with you. You're watching the movie and you're actually like feeling something and then he's like Oh, it's kind of Like uh, this feels pretty good You're like, are you okay? Like and he's like, yeah, I'm fine. You're like, are you Do you want to talk about like how meaningful what Pareto just said is and he's like Any emotion that is in humor a humorous dismissal is lame There's a bit like that's the impression I've got is like, why are you so averse to taking this seriously? Why'd you have to fucking couch everything in jokes? Why is the film youtuber treating this with such dismissal? Seeing where he's at. I can see all the stuff again Why would you not talk about is he is he actually gonna skip the whole lives flashing before your eyes again and how they The inversion because he skipped past the imagery. I don't know what the fuck to expect anymore Oh No Just one love that reveal of kitty and pedito when he raises his head. It's also the second time it happened That's that's all that's that's your He still he still may have got himself a point though. So he did get a point. He did get a point. He did because he Yeah, but still I'm annoyed. I'm just lord. I'm fooled that he decided Is that is that a point? Is that a point? We sure just just saying that explain why he didn't explain why it was just He's just saying what the visual is Well, wait, he said that How the fuck I'm doing the work for him on access about to say like well He's of course he's talking about the life the one life that matters is all of perito And uh, kitty soft pauses the the other ones that reveal what he looks up. So that's what he's thinking about That's what's represented in the animation. It's like but it but he didn't say any of that Oh, wow No Just one love that reveal of kitty and pedito when he raises his man like He didn't say anything. Did he no, he didn't say anything That's the strongest zero like the most decisive zero that I think he's It was like you you're snatching nothing from the jaws of points. I don't know what to say It's just it's so funny that like I I understand exactly what the point is that I just jumped to him having made the point Because you like oh wait that was my brain not his In an attempt to provide some semblance of analysis of this great film in here Initially the lives flashing before his eyes. It's just you know, it's on its face the normal thing of holy shit Like this is my life playing out before me because I'm about to die And it's all there's there's elements of other people in the mix But it's it's just a recounting of a bunch of his different lives whereas in this case He's finally starting to rebuild and reconstruct his worldview to where he's realizing that what he has is enough that there's no need to Be clinging to the notion of damn man Now that I could die it means that like everything is worthless And there's nothing to be gained from my life because he's had all of these positive experiences on this adventure Reconnecting with kitty getting to know perito and befriend him and realize that there's enough in his life Right now and that he must fight for that life. And so yeah when he looks up and then you see from behind him Oh, look, it's his friends his friends the people who he now realizes in part because of something that perito told him That like that is enough that these are his friends and that it's worth fighting for this life because he has that he has them And but the way resisting the actual like why isn't this in the critique? It might come later, but again, maybe Why waste all of this time saying nothing or making crap jokes Oh, yeah, look they're behind him point Yeah, my eyes also function Well, I was going to say is it is it actually to make sure I'm not hallucinating Is it point with you to know that he's managed to pick up that he moved his hat Two different types of the film which revealed two different sets of people behind. It's just like you deserve anything for that He also said why it's important in our brains Because we like the film Yeah, I don't get to project that onto him. Well, that's not fair. He's gone mall. He's gone full death mall Oh Evaded all over the screen and then puss ran around and fought him and it was he pussed his moral everywhere Say hello to my Are you gonna talk about why this is good? Oh, okay. Look, there we go. Finally and you gotta love the kitty's gift saves him Yeah, but what okay So no fucking point because what you're supposed to point out is that when he fights directly with death A death's got the upper hand when he gets his big old malls Reference out is that he loses as far as I remember he loses the sword the hat He takes like a notch. I think he even takes a knock to the belt Or basically most of what represents the legend that is puss in boots gets taken from him in the fight And what saves him in the last moment is the the blade that she provided as a friend in this story that's getting Reppin so hard friendship Saved him working together Allowing the legend to encompass more than just him, which is something that's been explicitly Tackled as a point a few times in the film that he's ignored like he hasn't included that so no. Yeah, no point No point zero. No point and I'm upset. I'm also upset. Why? Why so shallow everything? Shallow the point. There's not even a puddle. It's just dry I'm starting to get pissed off because I'm really wet parking lot. It doesn't give a shit Ooh death's red eyes reflected. Just like it was puss's green eyes in the first Okay, you got the video who pointed that out they get you a point Good job Whatever video it is You can have one you can have a Yeah, whatever you are out there. Thank you This time because he uses his foot instead of his blade. I know Why would that I don't even know that that's what we're supposed to take from that? Yeah Why would why would his foot be better than his blade? Oh, yeah, puss in boots. Yeah, I wish too Maybe she had maybe he has a foot blade like echo What what do you wish here? I wish to check the movie a moment. You guys you guys go I just want to see if there's anything else I'm not seeing that implies Why that was successful other than it was his foot I mean it was broadly there in the fight that he had outplayed him at this point once he had used the The the blade that kitty gave him that when using both together he managed to disarm Uh death and like basically kick his ass. Yeah I want to see if there's anything more specific Well, the the thing is is that obviously there's a much more there's a much more um metaphorical aspect, which is that in accepting The inevitability of death but striving to fight for life regardless Um and to fight for it aggressively that because he has that attitude that that broadly enables him to win You know, like he's entering into the fight with a better frame of mind to actually defeat him Whereas in the first fight it was just terrified of what he was going to lose Rather than you know fighting for what it was that he he he wants. You know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? Well, yeah So like I said, I'm looking for if there's anything more specific there isn't that that so that would be my reasoning as well He's just at this point. He's because the thing is uh death doesn't even go to grab him No, he doesn't even try in that so the idea that his foot comes first Which is very grabbable by the way This uh, this is just a matter of momentum is on put his side in this fight right now Yep Oh, yeah, I think I think cinema wins himself. It's just like I don't know he won this time because he went foot first Which is just a weird thing to say Oh, jeez There's something very self-confident about calling death wolf in the sentence where he admits he knows death will ultimately win Why tell me why? Yeah Because you didn't you get no points Hero You're ruining this for me death fails because it's not fun death is that friend that wants It's it's uh, it's not you you know, you don't understand. It's the one he wants What he wants to destroy doesn't exist Mine is Pusses successfully Recon like because of course we've talked about it before this film is a great example of a deconstruction then a reconstruction Yeah, we deconstruct What puss in boots believes himself that he needs to be the legend larger than life and how that's flawed Like that's that's a flawed perception of himself and then that's the uh destroyed and then over the course of the film We reconstruct a more sound framework for approaching his life, which is that this life is enough there's this life offers uh great rewards if I'm if I'm willing to essentially open myself up to the world allow more people into The legend the story that is my life and that in realizing that he finally has the means to Not necessarily defeat death because he can't because I mean he even he acknowledges that it's inevitable But at least confronts death in a way where he can you know at least for now And for probably as long as possible fight to preserve this life when if he had maintained his old worldview Death he would have lost he would have died But What Please do because the text is not in so confidence No Death fails because it's not fun death is that friend that wants to start a band but never wants to help load the equipment Negative one you're missing the fucking point. You're lucky. It's not a negative two This is like you're miss under like you're not even getting the point of essentially the like the the central axis of um Puss's character growth and development and the role that death plays in that it's like I For you hear to the terminus of the arc and for you to be like Yeah, depth is just bails because it's not fun. This is a friend that wants to start a band He's actually really lazy and he just wants to piggyback off of other people's you know work Like first off that analogy sucks because it's not even accurate But two it makes me think that you maybe you should have watched a video that explained the movie for you There's not just take it. It's not enough of those fucking videos in the the world. Unfortunately, um, it's gotta be No, you're right. This is at least a negative one Yeah, I think no, I agree and I was I was actually gonna say because um Something of an interpretation I would have of death is that he takes no pleasure in killing people who appreciate life That's not something that he wants. It's not something he likes But he takes absolute pleasure in hunting down people who don't give a fuck about living They take everything for granted. I imagine he would have enjoyed Fucking killing the hell out of jackhorner, but like that shit was taking care of itself I suppose you could argue and especially the whole he brings it up, right? The cat's having nine lives thing. He's like what the hell is that? Like that doesn't seem fair Every time watching you fuck around exactly because again all of the deaths was a lot of the deaths were really stupid Yeah, they were just complete disregard and reckless abandon what I was gonna say When he says death bails because it's not fun. That is a very crude Almost like maybe you could put that on the end of saying everything else We've just said there's no fun in it for him to take out someone who is appreciating like something like that But but then he follows up with he's the friend who wants to start a band but never wants to load the equipment Death is being an unreasonable douchebag. Yeah, it's like you you don't understand what happens. So yeah negative one Death is saying it would be advantage of the work other people do is what he's saying and that's just wrong I I uh, I saw someone say negative one and a peepo sauce, but that would make it negative two if we did that We do have a peepo sauce. I think it's just negative one. That's true In my heart it's negative 44, but It's negative one A little bit I mean, so is it just the negative one and he keeps the sauce or does the sauce? But he's still got a suss there white. Yeah, all right. Oh always waiting Agreed. I picture the you know your peepo peak or whatever it is. Uh I picture the right now you got you got peak But then it's not that peepo. It's the suss peepo. Yeah He's peeking from under the height there. Yeah Also, that is a wonderful image. No, it's a really good This is why people tune in okay Uh, we're nearly done meme is very happy to be looking at the peepos that yeah What boring shit you're gonna say about this I haven't talked about death's whistle at all which really ties a bow on his whole vibe It's that spaghetti western tone that also paints him as indifferent to your suffering and severely frightening at the same time Even as he's walking away No, I thought it was a reference to the harmonica in once upon a time in the west I think the I'm willing to give him a point for that. It feels like he had to engage his brain for a little bit. So I allow a point um Though indifferent I don't know I don't it's not indifferent. It's definitely not indifferent Yeah, it's weird to say indifferent because it's on both both elements of like one He enjoys the pain of someone he's hunting if he wants to have them and then he does not enjoy the suffering of a person If he's not even interested in them, you know what? I think I know fuck it. He doesn't get a point. He's not indifferent He is very motivated. Yeah, that's what was that's what maybe draw it back. I was like He's not that's wrong. Yeah, he's not indifferent zero He's very invested there. I say Well-fringing zero the correct response Was it indifferent when he put the coins on his eyes? I think it might be a negative one It's weird that he would say like, yeah, this is like the spaghetti western tone, but he doesn't reference The harmonica from once upon a time in the west that um, what's his name the death wish guy plays Charles Bronson Charles Bronson. Yeah, his character uses so I I don't I don't know I I feel like if you're gonna dig into your own brain about it I always got a sense as well that it's representative of how he's a flowing force like in and out If there's nothing that can stop him It creeps in and fades out Yeah, you're you're I guess you don't think about death All the time And Remind you that he's coming for you He's gets you Um, it pains me that he describes death as indifferent to suffering Is that just wrong? It's certainly not this interpretation of death. That's wrong. That's not a zero. Yeah, that's a negative one Back down to 11 Oh boy Oh my oh, we're at the finish line and he's He's still there's still a chance to get to 15 He couldn't that's right. We might get up to 25. I could be right Some Alice in Wonderland snacks to make him be true big jack corner. He gets bigger because it gets better pay off He didn't even do the setup and pay off thing They specifically show the lingering slightly lingering shot of him with a yeah, and then they don't Teamwork I had a feeling I had a feel I wish I paused earlier because I was gonna say it's always He's gonna say that they work together. It's even worse than that teamwork Yeah, you couldn't even have said team friendship or anything word team work. No, just team work. Yeah And hey, it's the worst callback ever Just he thinks it's painful all right painful zero It's painful looks painful All right, he missed the phoenix and uh, jiminy cricket Yeah Well, maybe you saw them when uh, I don't get it I don't get it. I just don't get it. So it's just more teamwork. You know, he's already said teamwork So we get why is he gotta say it twice? Yeah, no, he's he's an independent agent who is working independently to the rest of the protagonists It's kind of true. He's in this for personal reasons But well, that's kind of what I was going with is like maybe what if we don't see him covering something It's because he just didn't get it. He saw it was like, I don't really know Why is it? Why is there a phoenix? What's that from? It's because the fun fact video he watched didn't talk about it. So could be What can I do to deserve this? I mean, what specifically? Down the opposite Oh, yes, I've also seen it was so subtle Oh, wow, and it's also a reference to the fucking fact. It's a double reference. You fool It's a double reference because he does the it's the other thumb into the pie Right, that's right. Yeah, and the first thing you see of him is him doing a thumbs up before he sticks it on the pie So that's right Both of you are more insightful off the top of your heads than this clown in his edited video with his millions of subs Zero zero Oh wait, actually, is he is he putting his thumb in a pie? Oh, there you go Oh I guess he does I praised them for it and then he said it. So I guess Well, wait, wait, wait, I think that one could say you can get praise for noting that it's an inverse on t2 But we've we've established the point of these things out. That's why we're so annoyed is because he gets him nothing Yeah, well, I mean and you say that's too obvious but like it's more obvious that it point is the pie thing because it's from the same movie Did he award himself two points for that the t2? one point if he had said that The last thing we see of jack horner is the same as the first time we see him of his thumb on the pie then That might be something but I'll leave it all to your discretion. I'll go with whatever y'all think I don't know why this would be Uh, given a point whereas all the other times he references other movies, which is more complicated than referencing something from this movie All right, all right It's not it's not zero means there's absolutely zero insight. We just round it down Like it's it's like a zero point three insight, you know, I mean he's noticed it but he hasn't explained it That too Is just right didn't think it would be the secondary antagonist to bring tears to my eyes. That's you don't get a point No, villain you already called them villains Yeah, the group you don't get a point for saying you like it. That's not good enough. I like it Point no zero points about Jeff very sweet that they stick with pedito, but I fully back them going with jeff No, jeff sucks zero That's what my friends call me whoop spoke too soon on who's bringing tears to my eyes again zero Yeah, just oh wow. I felt happy. I felt sad. I felt abused. I felt shocked. Okay Yeah, this is how is this not just reaffirmation like I said, but in in like one of the worst forms This one just put fucking emojis after every cut just be like, yep, that's how I felt To see some old friends. We what like shrek? Are they doing a crossover movie finally get it get it because I haven't done the Track movies. It's good. It's good joke Zero All right. Now we get the recap now. We might actually get a I think friggy is out in terms of being able to win this Yeah, no, it's impossible. Uh, there's no way but I'm more interested in the insight into what he actually feels about this film I don't know guys. I'm feeling pretty confident. I think you might be able to get up to 25 here You might he might this little the problem is he's shown that he misunderstood a lot So we could get repeated points that are all wrong Yeah, like what is he on now 11? He's on 11. Yes Okay Oh, you're still here Cold puss cold for you. That's how you died last time That's nothing. I don't know The last wish hey a good sequel. Who would have thought jk that exists you reference terminator two He's got the point and that's okay Solid history Surpassing their og's empire wrath of con pattington two aliens ragnarok I'm actually more impressed that this movie completely reinvented itself while not ignoring the 2011 movie pushes opening Okay, so I I mean I would say that compared to like it's just you don't need to watch the first film at all To understand what's going on here I wouldn't say that it forgets the pry film But it would be more so that the pry film is pretty empty in a lot of ways, so it doesn't even make much of a difference But it doesn't ignore it, but why do you get a point for saying that? I don't think so. I don't think so Yeah, I don't get it. That doesn't seem sufficient This is zero for me. Oh boy. Yep Number pretty much sums up what he's about But you could absolutely watch this without the original and also without the track movies And that's really saying something because without mincing words. This is a sequel to a spin-off of a sequel So it almost makes sense Yeah, and it also came out over 11 like 11 years after the first one Yeah, you know this film was basically like a decade later than it kind of needed to be and it is It just makes it that much more surprising that it's actually good Mm-hmm I just feel like what's more likely to stand on its own a sequel to a spin-off of a sequel Or a film in general and you're like, I don't know I guess Yeah, it's just like I mean, you know just as long as they take any film Can stand on its own all the most legendary sequels mostly can stand on their own I just I don't know if this is all I'm waiting for him to explain more, but he's not gonna I love sorry. I read ahead here. Look at this and yet everything works. The story is good I'm saying Let him dig his grave for Nothing works. The story is good. The writing and dialogue are fantastic. The animation is fun and interesting The character design is through the roof. Perfect. So here's Think about big jackhorn. Here we go. Can you get a point? I hate that guy? I hate his design. How is he somehow the most ridiculous looking character and the most terrifying He's so creepy because he looks ridiculous and he's evil Distended like he's three little jackhorners in a trench coat with two of those arms from the mad max episode of rick and morty He's such a gross bad cup and Okay, that's nothing. I didn't really grab anything from that. No You get nothing in your fake laughs annoy me I mean so creepy and sticky He's kind of talking about his his design is kind of unnerving and I see what he's going for but again He didn't explain it very well Drill down sir drill down I mean he probably spent the section struggling to explain what he even thinks of the design For those arms from the mad max episode of rick and morty. He's such a gross bad cup and death Yeah, zero Empty it's all surface level observations about what he is without going into anything Why would you make the observation that like he's like the embodiment of gluttony a gluttony of I want everything Fuck it. Nobody else can have it. This is all mine. Mine. Mine. Mine hoarding everything That's reflected in his design. This is a good thing Yeah, his size the fact he works at a pie factory his selfishness and greed it doesn't care about anything about himself Yeah, some of those common expressions we see from him a like anger disappointment frustration They're all very very negative his face is almost creased into that If he boy his nightmare material for me, I asked jude who he thought the scariest cartoon villain was and obviously he said I'm not scared of any of them So yeah, but everything else falls into place when you had it. Oh, that's that I guess Oh, is that it? No way That wasn't a ding Melania and mora competing for more thrilling bad guy when melanie somehow out evils the actual embodiment of Since when was death evil death was never in yeah The idea that death is embody is being evil is definitely not something that's ubiquitous among cultures Among all kinds of interpretations across all kinds of media death is oftentimes a like soldier of force Like a thing that it's simply making things happen that happen. It's not like a I hate things that live and therefore will make them die It's like they don't think that was ever how often do you even see that? No, it's way more often that it's the idea that this is a necessary aspect of existence Yeah, and I think the most common thing you'll find is like I'm misinterpreted And this would be the misinterpretation. It's like he's more evil than death like okay Mm-hmm Final destination Dad's a fucking joke in that film For those films Death it's something else obviously comes down to characterization more than voice That's not something mora could make same Elliott. Well, you see it's something else. It's like it's overtly something more interesting than what you've said Yeah, but you don't know what it is like his insightful commentary is hmm death isn't just evil Yeah, yeah. Yes. That's true. Why do you think that is explain? Yes, go on Everyone is great though. Antonio has created a character and push that truly stands alone at this point again him and the writers and the animators and okay, I actually think he's um, he's screwing up here because Stands alone is the compliment you give to the film in the sense that you don't need to do the homework of shrek and Puss in Boots one. You're all right. You can just watch this But if you did check those out It does give a bit more context to the flashes of his life that he sees And in fact, like I don't know about anyone else But when you briefly see shrek and donkey when he's first had his uh flashes that that hits you in the feels a little bit Oh, he's thinking of his friends. Yeah, his friends shrek and donkey and all the adventures they went on together When he says truly stands alone is like this celebratory thing is like well Hang on like it it benefits from being a sequel and it does reference them well Yeah, and like the ending of the film it's um it about like I think it is heavily heavily validated by um having seen shrek and um all of that because um at this point, um, you know, he's he's he's accepted that he only has one Life left to live and his life should be spent with the people that he loves So what does he do immediately afterward? He goes to find shrek and donkey and he's trying to unify This uh the lives that he had before and to bring the friendships out and into The present day and you wouldn't get that as much if you didn't see those films as well This is what i'm getting at is he's uh, he's praising it for not being like Further connected to them when it's like well, this is your opportunity to say how it benefits from being a sequel to them Mm-hmm To a spin-off of a sequel that was mostly a one-off joke about cat zoro I don't I don't understand how it's like. Oh, yes He's the positive guy and then he says like oh well, you know, I mean he was just cat zoro basically puts him He's a full character in shrek 2 Yeah, he's a character But then it's like, oh, well, you know, who's just a one-off joke. Anyway, ha ha positive. Yeah, whoo It frustrates me. It annoys me because they just kind of slip in Quickly enough that you might not even and he might not even notice that's like and you get the impression Do you remember I think um, let me check the release dates because I remember there was a Notion that we would like to do this with the last wish, but that we couldn't because Yeah, so cinema sins released his eight months ago Right, I don't remember exactly when the last wish came out, but obviously eight months ago and then Uh winds did it three months ago? It's like man, what took you so long This is one of the most like favored films of that year and then when watching this video Do you get the impression all he was kind of like? Oh, I got to cover that cat movie, right? Well, he skips over really important parts. He misses out a lot of good details It just it's a lot of them came the best stuff He says really feels like it comes from top 10 things you didn't see in Yeah, it comes from something Went viral on twitter of like, oh, that's there in the shower, you know, because you don't you don't notice those things while missing Everything else. There's no way. That's just not how brains work. So yeah, I'm Yeah, I I'm really disappointed because because his insight is so Entry level on on a lot of the things in this film. It's like, oh fuck. He hasn't thought about it Like he just hasn't Whoa, he's gotten things wrong. He doesn't have a great understanding of death or jack on it Which the second one is the latter is particularly funny considering that he more or less states who he is Yeah, like pretty pretty in like no uncertain terms And then it's just yeah Why why would you skip over a lot of the most important like emotional scenes in the film? Just like skim through them really quickly. I just don't get that sense of Of like that you're brimming with things that you want to say about this film I don't get that sense at all. I can't believe it. I'm I'm stunned I'm kind of stunned It's also ringy has been stunlock interesting to me as well that he says the antonio's creative character that truly stands alone when He's like the only character from the shrek universe that got to have his own shit He's the only character who can stand alone in his own room, you know Yeah, he says it as though it's like, you know, this one truly says like he's like the only guy and he's gotten the most content out of Anyone in the shrek universe Yeah, he's eclipsed shrek A little bit, yeah So like you know what I mean like what I'm getting at I guess is that is this a negative one statement here? I think so Especially I don't like the ending Kat Zor. Yeah, I think that's a negative Yeah, I'm tempted to go negative too if only because like I'm remembering like the sense of honor he had in shrek 2 and how Oh, shut up meme. You're just trying to win because you're real close People Oh god, yeah, I I think um, yeah, because remember remember he felt all that shame about hunting down shrek and donkey when he realized They weren't the right person and then His arc was fulfilling that almost that that debt he had to them How can you get just one off cat jokes from that? I don't get it Stop oh go I have misjudged you Need to rewatch those films. They're awesome. We get this story and message Ironically similar to wrath of con about growing older. How's that year of death? It wouldn't be ironic, right? It's just similar It's not ironically I think because he mentioned wrath of con earlier earlier. He mentioned earlier That doesn't make it ironic. I know I think well, it's the classic right you say ironically instead of coincidentally is what you should be saying because I mentioned Wrath of con for different reasons earlier and I'm mentioning it again. What a coincidence I I've just had a look at the imdb trivia page for the last wish and there is a lot on here That is exactly what he is to be pointing out They would be all those things would show up probably on that There was like tweets and things the reason why I would assume We didn't look at that as opposed to a video is one as criticism of his character It's much easier to just watch a video do it But two because you're gonna find a lot in that trivia page that wouldn't show up in his video That probably should have had he read them if you if you get what I'm saying so Could be yeah, I imagine you watched a video especially because of the fact that this is so shallow It's ridiculously. I feel like the trivia page has better analysis of the characters more. Yeah It's somehow really shallow and yet it picks up on extremely subtle details that you would have to watch the film multiple times to get when you watch some of those top 20s like they Treat you as some you know in a way they should that you know the film And so they're like you know all the stuff So I'm going to show you the stuff that you didn't see even as a super fan or a fan in general So that's that's why it just strikes me as so like He just didn't really watch the film that closely and he just made the video because he had to Death of our bodies But of our legend death of self and I deeply appreciate that even though it's mostly wrapped up neatly Puss doesn't beat death He can't and part of not losing to death is knowing that he can't beat death It's an interesting take on a common theme accepting his one life in lieu of getting nine more And I'm here for more of it because I don't think it's too much for kids They're gonna engage with it at the level they can he can be the big bad wolf from the three little pigs Or he can be more but hey, that's just a theory. Uh, what the fuck up? I might give him plus two for this Yeah, this is this is an observation about the film that is it's like, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's Yeah, you get it. You got it a single plus two A plus two is really really big is it a plus two or a plus one Part of the reason why it's a plus two is because he could have given himself more than one ding for this Yeah Just all one day and so that's true But the value of a win counter is much much lower than the value of our point I know I know but but it's still the way that it works is that if there's multiple Praises within one point, that's two. I think so if this is all in one ding, right? Let's go through slower Pointing out that he doesn't actually defeat death that their fight hasn't actually concluded It's just the fact that he's accepting that he can't beat it is is Thematically relevant like and he explained all the backing of that. It's like that's that's a point on its own losing to death Is knowing that he can't beat death It's an interesting take on a common theme except his one life in lieu of getting nine more And i'm here for more of it because I don't think it's too much for kids They're gonna engage with it at the level they can he can be the big bad wolf from the three little pigs Or he can be more. I kind of appreciate that point too. Yeah Um, that's a good observation, but it's also the film is very Clear with what its messages are Um in a way for kids to certainly understand I get what you're saying like what kid is going to watch this and come away thinking like he wasn't death He was just the wolf from that. He's like, well, no Yeah, they're very explicit about like not only they explicit with the title But they're explicit with the I am death. I am not a theoretical. I've got an abstract. I'm not this I'm not the I am death. You know everything with jack horner goldilocks and three bears with kitty with I mean, it's all very It is all blatant and that's not a problem But it's not like it it it just doesn't hide what it's about But hey, he does use the word engage with it though And what what that could mean is that a kid doesn't really think about the meaning of Engaging in a fight with death and Overcoming death by accepting it. They engage with it as he's he's just a wolf that's trying to kill pus Yeah, like I think this is still values what he's saying. Yeah. All right If you want to Even if you weren't really delving into the whole like, oh, I see this is about understanding and accepting your own mortality Which you know, like Yeah, like that's kind of um You could still engage with it on the level of uh, yeah, but pus is gonna he's gonna stop that wolf from getting him You know, I think I yeah and someone's highlights like but he's not the big bad wolf We've seen that in the straggler. He's saying that a kid can contextualize it that way They can just be like he's a wolf bad man type situation sort of thing Um, if they want to engage with it like that, yeah Or he can be more but hey, that's just a theory. Uh, wait, no wrong channel But if you want more musings on life and death check out now. Fuck you. Oh, you are joking Are we done Are we You're joking. 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It's a win win win Thanks for your support and i'll see you over on nebula Shit is that actually that's the end Wait, does it what if it's accounted here? I think it doesn't It was 152 right at the end there. I think so. Let's check Winnie give himself a win which means he gets no points any of those observations by our rules. Oh my god. Oh my god You're right. Yeah, he didn't he didn't ding. Oh, he gets no points. Mother fucker. I was gonna give you two And now zero So, uh, that means that I think uh, he finishes on what 11, which means meme Mola would have won it if we if he got the two And Oh damn off I uh You definitely get the vibe that he did he really didn't count how much about this film just to check rags your final count for wins um depends on if he got those last two No, then that's 11. Yeah, okay. He's had 11 Holy hell. We were right there man I'm actually I'm actually flawed. I thought that this was gonna be like an easy slam dunk for him But like There was so little by way of substantive analysis of the film when this film is so easy to break down for hours about how awesome It is. It's unbelievable that he fumbled this badly. I can't I'm I'm genuinely shocked that he screwed this up By the way, the failure to put a ding and add the number at the end there Even though he references it after the ad just tells me like he just didn't really care for this one No Which sucks because person boost the last which is fucking great This is this is actually very indicative of the problem We said would arise when everything is equal when you praise everything equally like why would you care about the stuff? That's actually good Yeah, why would there be any reason to highlight in any great length or detail The merits of something that is of actual quality Consistently throughout because it's all you know, it's all every approach. It's like, oh, well, yeah, uh, funny man Yeah, win. Oh, yeah, that's uh, that's a thing that happened on screen win. Oh, yeah, that would that happened before and now It's happening now. Oh, wow, that's a reference. Oh, it's like I can't believe the This is everything we're saying is typically what you see people say about cinema sins. It's like I swear to god. What's about to happen? You know What are we about to experience? I want to remind everyone The predictions at the beginning where I said sins would get negative 15 rag said plus five Fringy said negative 20 metal said negative 10 memes had plus two and random said plus eight sins as a result I am now concerned that sins will end up with like plus 20 Yeah I am as well. I'm a little bit concerned. I cannot yeah, I I thought this was gonna be easy I thought I thought it was gonna be easy for him They would actually provide like meaningful substantive price for the film, but he didn't do that Because he clearly didn't care. How many did wins get for multi for some manners? He went so low. We like stop counting it Yeah Yeah, you got Leave him alone. He's already dead So, yeah Oh, yeah That should not be one of the like well watched videos that praises Puss in boots the last wish. What the fuck, you know Yeah So was that video worse than his video on um mom I hate it more than his video on multiverse and madness because I feel like it sort of exemplifies the problem with his approach That when it comes to actually praising something of value His system screws everything up But just came in y'all didn't realize how vapid wins is as a meteor analyst I thought that he could at least repeat things the movie said You know, I thought yeah, I thought that he could play a good film for him That was reasonable. Yeah for the right. All right. If you're gonna make last wish If you're gonna make 200 points and they tell they asked me, uh, what's the score do you assume? I gave him 15 That's low That's real fucking low. He still didn't do it And the reality is that again In fact factor in that if he wasn't take getting all the points for the video he watched on cool things How low would it be it probably at what like like a six? Yeah, like if he was in a vacuum where he couldn't where where like the only person he could rely on to notice that there were eight You know eight, uh cups on the on the table or the death was even there because that was the thing a lot of people missed I missed it. I didn't see it when I was In a vacuum, how much of that how much of it would have been how much If he couldn't look at what other people were saying would have been generated from his own analysis of the film That arises spontaneously based on his preferences and his perspective and his experience of watching films It looks like he would have struggled tremendously because that's where he got the most of his points Yeah, that's uh, that's I can't believe it. I can't believe this should have been an athlete Yeah, he got he got this low and as we just said it really should have been lower. Um, so Wow many many scenes where there's something to say and he filled his script with like, uh, but What's funny here, uh Oh, it's it's kind of like, um Kind of like wicker man. Yeah, there you go. I'll put a reference to that It's like the thing Oh, I've been working on this for like hours here All right, I'm taking a break if you do an appraise for um empire strikes back and you get to I am your father Then you go Well, I didn't think you were my mother Yeah, then you just gave yourself a and then it's like yeah, there you go I just it's it's just that If if if it was really as good as you were saying that you felt it was at the end That you really enjoyed it and connected with it that should have been more apparent throughout the whole video Where was that in the analysis? Why did you skip huge swaths of character and plot to get to a shitty joke? But we should just we should just move on Yeah, how many times do we have to be updated? Yeah. Well, we had we had uh, I was just You may have two bi-b's I was gonna say is probably Well, I'm actually gonna Gonna peace out because I'm barely staying awake right now. I got you You'll discover the exciting conclusion when you wake up Yeah, wait, wait, wait before you leave you have to tell us who you think is gonna win Uh, I think sense is actually gonna get this one. Oh my god after the shit show. I just met uh, just Witnessed I I think gg. It's gg for win gg Uh, since all right. Yeah, no, it's fair. Uh, I would have called you a madman a few hours ago But uh, now So the reason why I think mel is absolutely correct and the I would revive my fucking prediction But that's not the point of that now Is because I think sins is going to give praise to this film In places where it deserves it Because he's hot just trying to talk about movies and so he's gonna be like This part is actually amazing for this really, you know, remove thing And otherwise, he'll probably try and get through as much as he can with jokes because he knows He knows, you know, like on this one Well, I think that he might because he has the handicap of having to work harder that might actually Make him focus and think about what he's saying and try and see if there's anything That's an interesting aspect Sins is actually matter is that he's hated and the winds is matter is that he's accepted no matter what because he's positive This is like this is like tortoise in the hair Yeah, we might have we might have the tortoise who has all the disadvantages, you know, persevering And winning but that's kind of funny to think about I guess we'll find out I'm gonna Pass out. Bye. We'll see you later What I was gonna say is that the hair comparing them to the hair is inaccurate because the hair is at least full of energy for a time Hey, buddy edited the video, okay in the theory, I don't even know if he did to be honest with you It's so soulless and it really is like I I find that talk in positivity. Shit. So fucking annoying I'm just like, well, yeah, if it's positive, that's good enough, right When again the contrast of good and bad, it's just presence If you like it if there's a reason why it's working then there has to be a way that it can be dysfunctional the way that it isn't so good And how can you appreciate the good if you're just pretending that there is no such thing as bad or flawed or a mistake or an error And it just feels like it reflects in that video Because I mean really how would you what would meaningfully be the difference between like the nature of what he was doing there Compared to multiverse of madness other than well, because it's so good It becomes impossible to not actually get a few worthwhile observations in there. Yeah All right, well, yeah, here we go The first thing Will be his commentary on the opening credits and if he if he just says opening credits lame Like there'll be no point But if he mentions like the state of the fuckery that is opening credits and how that has like it's cringe and It's obvious reference to like how Like the I'm guessing the mcu would probably have to blame for it, right? So You know like it and I believe this is probably gonna do it But let's let's find out everyone ready Yeah, let's go here we go Ready ready. Let's do it Oh wow, oh my goodness Comcast I will never understand That's okay zero zero for that. Yeah Why the sliver of the moon is somehow inside the moon and if wait, oh no, did dreamworks animation marvelize their opening logo? So it begins Bad dreamworks drop it bad bad also including boss baby in your anything ever I mean I feel he gets a point Okay, we're up to oh my god. He's close. All right. He's already close Keep the film running. Keep the film running Oh god Also, also, we're the crudes madagascar turbo the beef about f***ing moses Oh The things that were emitted and the things yeah, because Everyone loves prince of egypt everyone f***ing loves that movie He's at three before the movies begun. Oh god I thought he was at two not three Uh, he I thought he got one specifically for a few games. Yeah. He's already done a few Oh, okay, so Which was nothing Dreamworks marvelize their logo. That's bad. That's one point us baby. Baby is in there. That's ridiculous another point And then why did you exclude these? Okay. Yeah, I'm with him with you I mean, he's f***ing he's putting up a valiant effort here This is where Hard mode engaged now the film has begun. Sorry What the f*** How is there ever a first star you see if this is the sky you were looking at first glance At least a thousand stars and a planet or two at the same time. What ever zero You could be looking at one of them What? Yeah Star that you see properly. It's the most prominent star but it You know, isn't it he's reading it from the the map and they're playing it now at the beginning or my Yeah, but Sins is saying that the the idea of seeing one star before the others is impossible But what if it's a really really bright star would that not be the point? I also feel like you do there's a difference between like Seeing and watching almost, you know the sense of like we we we do focus on one probably like hearing and listening Something like that. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know that that's that's just a I think this is zero, right? That's a zero. I don't know what people would say that it's like, oh, he's right It's like first of all, he's just he's saying the words that are part of the The speech that you say on the wishing star first of all and just because I showed it this time doesn't mean it Again, it's like, yeah, the first star that you see is the first star that you pay attention to Could it be a negative one minus one? I think it's a minus one because he's inaccurate like it doesn't matter because yeah He's just reading the words on the thing reading the words off the page So he's in a way is so is he being critical of the poem? No, he's being no Yeah Well, I feel like he's um one star before another he's looking for a flaw because this is gonna be a tough one What do we do? I was happy with negative one is everyone else. Yeah, I'm okay with negative one. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right We can do it. Yeah one squeeze two out two. You did it, too. Now just say it this number forever needing to clarify a swashbuckling talking cats relationship to reality Oh, well, so damn again The whole point of being a fairy tale is meant to communicate something to you about what you're expecting not just by way of fantasy, but also meaning So why is he being like? Oh? Oh, do you know what I mean? That means that jack corner got to be in a fairy tale after all Not just in there. Yeah But is this a zero Or is this is this more I think it's a joke. Is it just a neutral Yeah, but I But that's the cinema sins thing when it's wrong. It's a joy. Yeah, I think it's another minus one needing to clarify a swashbuckling talking cats relationship to reality Like that's not what it's for I think he's misinterpreting the text So it isn't here's the thing it wasn't I don't think it was made enough of a joke So If he used a different like inflection or maybe a different phrasing, I'd be like, oh, that's a joke I was about to say I would be okay with a suss here. I'm fine with suss. He's getting the suss. Is it too suss? That's relationship to reality And we will never wash it again encouraging bad hygiene as a response to your child's budding interest in bdsm It's a joke Zero Okay, yes, zero. This is how it's this is how it starts now In order for this to make any sense this horse here would have had to do a full 360 while standing on his hind legs And if that happened you show me that That's actually true. I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's true Um, what is that though? Like in terms of yeah, what is that? I guess he's accurate It's a continuity error if he's accurate It's a continuity error if that's actually what's happening then the horse should have done this I'll see that again Yeah In order for this to make any sense this horse here would have had to do a full 360 while standing on his hind legs And if that happened you show me that Um, but it's a cartoon horse. So maybe it can Um, I think he's pointing out how kind of like even in university. That's pretty crazy for it to do And especially that's the implications of yeah, I think he's right Yeah, I think that would be pretty crazy for the horse to be on its hind leg and I feel like if the video was full of like the little things like that he might be able to squeak it out A point is a point. So all right fine. That's kind of what I'm counting on I think he's good enough hey enough table scraps make a meal. So all right Leaving your swords on the five second delay setting. What if you need something to be sorted immediately? Um, he's trying to hold his pants up and he's got guards. So No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying that's five second delay on the actual damage inflicted Yeah Which is a zero fine with me. That's a zero. That's a zero. I think in this world Yeah, that kind of thing is totally fine. If it was if it was a realistic story Then I I would agree, but I think in this setting with The film has realistic violence in it Is there any credence to the idea that this is very this Section of the film is very much taking place from puss in boots this perspective where he's sort of living the legend Sort of until the bell falls on him and then it all kind of stops and becomes a little bit more grounded The thing is I think that if I was analyzing this myself, I'd be like that doesn't make sense But it's satisfying to watch Hmm And have not decided on what I would say when it comes to cartoon physics And how much I would ever consider those into by way of flaws I'm usually like it's about consistency and um If you so for example, right, you know the the neck that right? So if if it's cut just enough that's still connected but with very few threads it could then separate after a delay That's actually fine. That one makes no sense at all Like I'm sure so This is getting autistic, but I mean this what we're here to do I think I think the autistic element does. Yeah, I think so. I think autism has it. I think this is accurate Even your sword's on the five second delay setting What if you need yeah, and he's he's he's deliberately given a joke format of delivering this But he obviously because it's it's so cringe to be like why is the why is it work this way? What it's we all know exactly why they did it this way, but at the same time it's like, okay For comedy, but yeah What if at the pivotal moment for the scene We needed to have you know push kill something or render it useless or oh when he's chopping through the You know the posies later they they die instantly So someone just think it cut it off dancing fine, but delayed sword attacks are not first of all those two things are so fucking different I don't even know Secondly, he got a point for the horse He did point to the horse. You got a point for this too. He Like was not a nitpick this is intentional it is intentionally delayed because yeah for a joke Yeah Which is a fun joke, but it is technically you know inconsistent with some of the other that still might qualify as a nitpick Yeah, the reason why it doesn't it doesn't there are there are lots of choices people make in filmmaking Knowing it'll damage some other element, but they're like it's worth the risk or worth the the damage In this case, I think almost 99.99999 percent of humans would say What even the damage and even if whatever, but it's like the problem having here is that what he said is true Yeah, fair enough We're yeah, we're in turbotism mode. Yeah, I think that's yeah, that's how we got to engage with it Fair enough chat says remove sus. He's getting a point. He's not removing this It's a point is it not a point tell me why it's not point. No, I think you're I think you're right I think this is a point It's a point with a with a begrudging like uh to explain the autism here if I made An extensive breakdown of this film. I probably wouldn't include this like sins has beaten me on this like I just feel like I just don't feel Yeah, it's technically true, but we got to be true to you know some kind of emoji here. All right I'm just saying it's an eye roll emoji, but it's a point. It's a point in eye roll The question isn't does this damage the film because it it doesn't it is this accurate? It's completely inconsequential, but the fact is sins is right. Yeah It's something to be sorted immediately With some fireworks, how does this town not get destroyed every time there's a thunderstorm I had a feeling he'd make this point. I think there's something to it. Um, he's right though He's right. Yeah, this is actually one that I was thinking you could make uh, this should happen more especially with a bunch of uh You know a festive people will call them, uh But yeah for the fireworks everywhere People say like it enhances the scene. It's like of course loads of plot holes in hand seeds like They should have had it to where an uh an errant Firework flies off into the woods and then blows up like really close to him and wakes it up And that's what they could have done there are character assassination choices that can enhance scenes like it's A lot of the time a lot of mistakes in filmmaking are made as frame was pointed out It's not even you wouldn't even call that well He was saying you wouldn't call it an epic you wouldn't call it a mistake because it's done deliberately knowing what it is But like You know at the same time there are people who have to solve two problems at once And they're like we'll just opt to solve one because I don't really care about the other Not to not to make us because this could this tangent could last forever And like a you know coyote and roadrunner cartoon When like coyote cuts like the the the lion for the bridge and then it makes the land fall around him. What is that? Uh The thing about it is are you rating it on a level of storytelling or comedy? Like I feel like those two rains would be different. I think it's brilliant It's like comedically it's brilliant But of course it's the nature of those cartoons is that the cartoon physics are deliberately inconsistent Because well, that's the other element that they are consistently nonsensical or whatever Usually the thing that I would say that binds them with the consistency is the characters daffy bugs You know coyote sylvester twitty like these characters will react in a pretty consistent way But the world that they live in is inconsistent It's a crazy cartoon world where cartoon physics are playing out But they react as you would expect them to you know like the daffy one when he's with the animator I think duck a muck. Isn't that what it's called the one where the animators are fucking with him It's like well, I mean that's crazy in terms of like if you were trying to figure out Anything by way of consistency, but the thing that's consistent is daffy He reacts consistently to what's happening to him Which is usually what I would say is like the glue that holds everything together But I mean I love these jokes. They're hilarious, but of course they're you know, they cartoon physics, right? Um someone highlights value to it, but it's a different sort of it's different um someone someone to highlight and like uh, it's not necessarily the Uh, the giant doesn't wake up semi-regularly In fact, you could argue that the the guy saying you've awoken him is is indicative of this being a semi-regular thing And that he just kidnaps people and stuff So until sins says something more specific that it wouldn't count as anything other than a zero But on the other hand, they wouldn't have all the fireworks everywhere and stuff like that I mean the town would be living making sure that no, we can't have any loud noises Are you will awake the sleeping giant of del mar? And the building gets torn apart by this giant. Uh, you telling me they rebuild that every time Yeah, they wouldn't have a bunch of fireworks lying around to be launched like this. Yeah, I mean We're starting to get into like quiet place territory, but They should not live here. They should move it is like technically, you know the I mean it's a fair criticism. I think it's like I said, it's one of the ones that came to my mind Imagining the things that he would say Yeah, so I think he's right on this one This could be set for the majority of the moving Let's just add a few sins here for puts and boots surviving any of this I had a feeling he'd say that because I thought at the time myself I was like that's a bit of plot armor there, babe. And the thing is the film is very much about him You know dying. So it's like I'm uh, I'm trying to work out how to articulate this because I'm thinking that This whole beginning section I kind of said this before but I'm trying to phrase it in a different way this whole beginning section is He is so wrapped up in his ego and the legend That is then that's kind of why things are almost a little bit unbelievable and then everything Sort of get you get smacked in the face when death actually makes him bleed So things he dies in this scene True Yeah So it isn't a dream sequence I guess and a lot of the action is very justified a lot of it I'll agree is tune physics, but the like it's very difficult to Like prevent the film from taking any criticism when they want you to feel the weight of real physics and real violence I would give him one for this Yeah, I think it's there. Yeah Yeah, I feel like if the bell if the bell kills him This is I mean how how is the sign able to go through all the walls without breaking apart? Um It's not like he's got cushioning or anything. I mean we're in autism mode, but yeah, yeah Let's keep reminding people This this same level of autism was applied to win Yes, I think I agree. I don't I agree that what sins is saying is accurate I would dispute that it damages the movie, but that's not what we're counting here I would dispute the degree of damage But I don't think it can be denied that it would be a form of damage even if it was minuscule I think it's I think it is minuscule for the point of the film, but it is minuscule is still a positive number Surviving any of this man. Yes, I realize he actually will die in a minute So you might see the irony, but I see you off and me still giving this movie since might as well get this off my chest I mean that just means we'll give us here. I guess he's like, yeah, this film's amazing I gotta get my licks in while I can yeah, which is what we thought would happen to be honest Which is what he's gotta do. I think yeah That's right now this movie is gorgeous the almost cel-shaded effect of the environment The use of different frame rates the visualizations of the movements You didn't have to go this hard for pib dose, but you did so go ahead and take the set off of where I remember This is the Shrek universe watching so curiously. He mostly just did what wins that he told us Things they're using Yeah, um, he's essentially saying yeah that this film is absolutely beautiful, uh and animation is gorgeous So which is true, but it's too broad to get a point. Yeah, I think it's just zero I think pushing boots fight with the giant made me realize that these few seconds are better than the entirety of the last hellboy movie Which is a good thing, but also you made me remember that last hellboy movie. Hey, uh, we saw the last hellboy movie It was terrible really really that movie is an experience. Yeah It's an experience. It's it's awful. Don't do not see hellboy the last one So I guess uh, that's just a zero, right? Yeah, I think it's it's a reference because You want to see something cool breaking the fourth wall to ask a rhetorical question It's not breaking the fourth wall. He asked the giant breaking the fourth wall. He's asking the giant That seems from the giant's perspective. I didn't get hit with the bell. No It can you can argue it works as a line that we like, you know We can feel like he's talking to us, but he's not in universe. He's talking to the giant He is talking to the giant. That's right. It just also works for us Which is clever. Um, is that just a negative one? Uh, yeah, because it's not breaking the fourth wall if he says it is and that's a negative Yeah, that was just incorrect. Yes Very well It is more important for puss to draw his trademark in the dirt than to move out of the way of a falling giant A giant that will 100 cover up everything puss etched in the dirt. Yep. It's indicative of his ego Yep, he's still got style. That's all right. Oh Anyway, he knows what he's doing. I think that might be a negative one. It implies he's not following the point Yeah Yeah negative one for that one Yep And since you're struggling a little here now, what's going on? Don't get too uh, fully yourself now You know get your legs where you can but you can't you don't punch too much It can be perceived as a fourth wall, right? There's no reason to call it a fourth wall break when there's no reason in universe to perceive it that way at all Like the it works completely He even lifts up the flap on his eye his eye patch even lifts that up. It is the giant's perspective. It just also Works for the audience. You can there's many lines in a film that you can say that's you could argue That's like he's talking to us and you'd be like, yeah, you wouldn't call it a fourth wall break though Usually, uh, I mean more of it than that What i'm thinking of is the the final line in inglorious bastards, which is the uh from the perspective I won't spoil it straight up, but it's like the From the perspective of one character and another character then says this might just be my masterpiece Could call it, you know, it's referencing itself as the film as a whole but it's not a fourth wall break Yeah Okay, okay one more number on course seriously Why do people like on course they never get announced and you have to sit there and wait to see if the band will Come back on stage the lights coming on mean they won't was that just a trick too Stay up there till your entire session is finished. Why is that so hard? No, I got nothing. There's a zero. I guess he's just sort of rambling about on course, which video Leave your tail and relax Trust me. I run hot not letting someone do their job just because you're weirded out by butt stuff I think fine though, that's fine. I mean that's in character He doesn't feel like the information that he'll be high temp is is relevant enough to confirm by putting it in his ass He just he puts some boots. It's like, I yeah, I'm hot If you if he ain't ready for it, you ain't ready for it. That's not a problem. That's just a zero consent Duh, he was crushed by a giant bell He should be reduced to a pancake fur covered bag of bone dust to cats regenerate to send with new bodies from the Heavenly ether. How does any of this work? The elements of his Supposed his survival of these lives is not explained So I don't know that there are mechanics that are that exist to the implication is that there's something supernatural happening for him though Yeah, he does have nine lives, which is not something everyone else habs. It has it is special. Uh, so Yeah, I don't I don't know like it raises questions. It's like, yeah, what if boots puts some boots got fucking decapitated or something Like thrown in with his head and body Yeah, or disintegrated or shot into space, you know, like What do you like if you put him into space would he like die regenerate then die again regenerate die again? Like, you know, I don't know. It's so is that a plus one for It's sort of highlighting that To bring it up. Is that a plus one? Um, I think if if it was explicit and we were to see Pushing boots fall into mount doom like we do with golem and then he's just alive in the next scene then yes Um, but because we don't see him like pan caked by the You know, we don't see his body for example When he gets pan caked by the um by the bell I'm not sure that is a clear plus one It's an it's a fair thing to bring up I wonder Should this Is this a plus one? Does it get rid of the peepo sus or is it a zero? Hmm, it's a tough one. It doesn't this is like a full sin. Yeah Because it's fair It's a totally fair thing to ask like how I want how are the mechanics of this work? What's the limit of like how how is does he actually only have like one life in the sense that a character in a video game Only really has one hit point and the rest of them are just these abstract Uh representations of either luck or armor or skill or dodging um It's What do we think should we put it to a vote? Uh, well, I'm tempted by negative sus He loses the sus. I think he loses the sus the fact that we're all very sus of this commentary is like indicative of the fact that it's It's a it's a weird the negative sus. I think yeah. All right. Yeah, he loses the sus. All right All right fair Yeah, happy with that her covered bag of bone dust to cats regenerate to send with new bodies from the heavenly ether How does any of this work? Take it easy doctor. Let's see There was the running of the bulls in pamplona And this will continue to show us all eight times Puss in boots has died because there's nothing a child likes to see more in their movie than dead cat montages Um, I think that's an interesting I mean cinema wins might actually like that But you might love that. I would dare say So his he's like I thought he was gonna go with the way of like his repetitive information or something but he said I mean they presented it in fun ways. So I don't think kids are gonna have that much issue with it. Yeah, it's funny And the fact is he's not dying Permanently and so it's still alive. Remember he is narrating this. He is a little alive. Um, yeah So it's like the complaint that like this wouldn't kids wouldn't like this It's too dark for kids or it's too rough for kids to watch a cat die eight times Well, because if that if that's the case, I'm thinking it's maybe a minus one It might be a minus one because he's he's like saying this is unsuitable for children, which is not true Yeah, it's clearly depicted in a fun way I think that's what he's leaning towards. Yeah, and I just I just don't agree Kids can handle a lot and this is very cartoony. It's portrayed very card. I mean, it's just like uh If you showed someone a I mean we mentioned it before A roadrunner in coyote, right? If you said if you gave them a dvd of roadrunner in coyote You're like, I don't know if the kids should be watching coyote die over and over and over Some people saying is it sus worthy? I'm thinking it's a sus honestly. I don't know if I'd give it a negative one But it's it's definitely it's it feels like it's less than a zero. There's something sus You know what I mean? It's a sus I'm okay giving him a sus back Very well It's better than where you look at it It's funny just to see him running He's working really hard and he's on his tail Oh, this is a good one. This is a high tier meme. We've ever made this fucking excellent work You get you get a peepo. You get a plus one. You get a plus one It was day vow on your discord Dave plus one. Let's see. That's more people From their movie than dead cat montage Excuse me. Does this have shellfish in it? Yes, sir Dying because of your own selfish actions That joke zero Makes eight puss you are down to your last life My prescription No more adventures for you But at least half of those deaths were not adventure based Puss could die by crossing the street at the wrong time. This doctor seemed Yeah, but he's this doctor's only got the contacts of this recent death. Anyway Yeah, plus it wouldn't even that none of that even matters If he died from crossing the street eight times, you can't go adventuring Like yeah So, yeah, it's still a fair observation regardless of some of them being stupid fairly reasonable Which means this is a minus because this is a silly thing So the film for the doctor's still right adventures put you in more danger Yeah, but besides I would argue this is allegorical for when you've got maybe a heart condition or that you've gotten so old It's like you need to chill out on your uh, just doing the things you did when you were younger The doctors have to give that information to a lot of people Yeah, yeah, if you had a heart attack from just laying around the house, you're not gonna say Well, I mean you didn't get a heart attack from crossing the Grand Canyon in the middle of the summer So you're fine to do that Yeah Negative one negative one here. That is a negative one. Yeah, I go to be I think It's just to take away everyone's will to live what happened to live like you were dying That's right doc. I trust Tim McGraw more than I trust you treat Why would your treats all be fish shaped? You don't only work on cats and honestly, it's a bit insensitive to your fish clients He's probably a vet can look there's Well, remember he's a he's like the doctor the vet the the uh The which which detector? Yeah, so I could imagine that he has a whole variety of assortments Why would you assume that all of his treats are the ones there negative one? Why would all your treats? Why would you? Yeah, that you don't know. They're all the they're all the treats exactly not all the ones Yeah, exactly because they're fish shaped doesn't mean that for they're for cats By the way, by the way insensitive to fish clients a lot of your fish clients will eat fish So that's right fish eat fish actually believe it or not. Um, shark's a fish and they eat fish Yeah, this is this is a minus one. I don't think sharks are technically fish I think fish is actually that there's no like real like true taxonomical definition for a fish It's just a casual catch all term Humans eat gingerbread man. I don't think so because sharks don't have bones Wait, what? I think I don't think don't they just have like cartilage and like in their teeth I guess but they don't have like a skeleton made of cartilage So does that mean their bones? If they're just made of cartilage they're not made of the same stuff Well, sure, that's a totally different like material than like a bone is right? So if if you have cartilage that serves as like a under like it that serves the The role, you know And also teeth aren't bones. That's true. Yeah Just are sharks fish All the sources I can find are saying it's fish. Yeah, there are special kind of fish Elasma branch fish characterized by cartilaginus skeletons Okay, why they're so hard? I thought they were I thought they were like cat just thought they were categorized as sort of a different thing Sharks are special kind of fish known because their body are made out of cartilage instead of bones like other fish I thought I thought fish was like large in term for Yeah, I thought I thought they're fish And then the question why is shark not a mammal despite names like whale shark all sharks are fish and differ from many ways From mammals for example mammals breathe air through lungs feed their young with milk warm blooded sharks pass water over gills to breathe Don't have mammary glands and with exception of mackerel sharks are cold-blooded So yeah, I guess they uh But then there's a question of why is shark not fish And then the answer is all true sharks are fish Well, what about false sharks? Yeah, not the fake sharks. Well, there's lying sharks. Oh, we have a monster This is a crocodile. A crocodile is a fake shark. Well, what if the shark wrote the wiki? Sorry That's true. What's interesting is that the shark body plan evolved independently three times So yeah, the shark came first and then the ichthyosaur came second and then dolphins decided. Yeah, that looks cool Well, I'm gonna do that too. It's just it and they even have like similar Skin coatings. It's um, it's interesting how convergent evolution works The only shark that's a mammal is a lone shark Three die. Oh wait, did we get right? So it's not a it's not a zero or one A negative one. I mean negative one. I think because it's it's just it's just it's an it's a display of a lack of insight I'll go anti insight That's where I'm thinking where's he's sitting for you rags? So this one here is a negative one or Okay, so that put that puts him at two with a sus. Yeah, that's what I got Yeah, he started out a lot stronger, but Wins getting more comfy. He's sitting down. He's like, okay. Yeah, I think so He needs to pedal for my second trick. Wait. So wins is at the part where i'm john connor, you know He thinks he escaped the two one thousand. So what if he got a roll over in the truck? We'll see what if he gets like three points in a row? That's what that'll be Retire you are too good looking to retire Yeah, but that's a zero in the same way that yeah, that's nothing observation. It's not a flaw Wait, it's not a flaw. Wait, wait, wait. He has the ability to do flaws and Praises in the same thing that wins as the chance. Yeah To do the same He counted it as a sin though. He didn't remove. Yeah, that's what I mean He's counting it as it's something wrong with the film Oh, this gets weird doesn't it that's what i'm saying Like because we viewed it the same way with cinema wins when he counted something like that's a win for the film When it was just nothing We don't take point away for that though, right? Um, I think that there were times when it was detrimental I think we did um, there were a couple of instances where when he considered something a win You're like the times when he had something that was weirdly negative that was counted as a win I remember that those were times when it started to get a bit uh Hmm. I'm pretty sure there was the time when he said like I didn't understand this sentence Because I because it's like nothing but he's putting it as a negative. That's what that's what's confusing me right now I agree. It's a nothing but then he like by that I don't think we use this logic because like when he tells a joke and then adds a sin We don't say like well, that's not a sin for the movie. Yeah, that's true. That's true Yeah, I guess it's a zero then isn't it I think it's a zero If he had said he's showing a lot of vanity here, which he hasn't been characterized with at all And then then we'd be like, okay, so that's the fucking stroke Oh, well If it isn't boosting boots himself talking to someone at a bar without their explicit consent Some people just want to drink cream and be with their own thoughts. Mr. Wolf also death Yeah, but I It's just a shit joke for being a badass character introduction instead of actually good at his job How do you ever expect to fill your death harvest quota with all this? Obviously I think you've transcended the zero into the negative He's saying that like he's doing a bad job when this is almost seems to be slipping into Your monologuing when you're supposed to be doing your villain goals like no the monologuing is like a big What he was supposed to do was just walk into the bar and silently, you know, slip, push and boost Yeah Completely antithetical to his character Yeah, yeah, because he said instead of actually good at his job is like his job isn't to just end lives He's uh, he wants to know first if he's speaking to the person he's looking for Yeah, he loves us here. He wants to freak him out since back down to one Yeah, he's back down to one sin and he's got a sus sends his fucking himself over here He's getting too eager to win just laugh at wins is cracking out of the champagne You gotta go on sin direction instead of actually good at his job How do you ever expect to fill your death harvest quota with all this pussy footing around? Why does puss have eight empties strewn around here when he's the only one in the bar just reuse your glass, man The bartender and the planet are begging you That one hurts a little bit. I think that has to her because he's he must have missed What it means He knows that there are eight empties, but he doesn't acknowledge why they're there and also people don't necessarily Refill my shot You don't use your shot glass when you yeah That's a negative Talk to people at a bar and then he thinks you're supposed to reuse your shot glasses. What's wrong with him? Hey, you never But he hasn't actually been to one Yeah, like yeah, I think this is negative one negative. I think this is this is a negative one. Yeah, what are you doing, man? What the hell? You're at zero and oh boy Everyone thinks you'll be the one to defeat me But no one just gave me yet. Well, let me guess puss in boots will not for any logical or earned reasons That might We might have skipped past um the the t-1000 driving off. We might be at the part where arnie blows the fucking thing up This mean means a follow-up I know I know it's an upsetting statement, but I still don't think he earns a negative two from this It's it's a single misunderstanding rather than a Like multiple layered one. He's he's what he's talking about. I think is his escape from this scene He's saying like You'll be able to escape him because he's taken this so literally Like death saying like no one escaped me yet He's like and he's gonna escape you here because you know, it won't be logical But movies got a movie when as we talked about in the wins one It's pretty clear death wants him to escape this room So, yeah, I think that's he's misunderstood that there and that's embarrassing and it's a negative one Yep, do you think it has anything to do with him quote unquote escaping death at the end of the film I feel like I think I think it is I think it's like molla said that he has erroneously mistaken Puss escaping in this scene as like plot armor for him. Yeah, he's main characters So he'll escape but he doesn't realize that wolf the wolf like death is deliberately allowing him To get away here. Yes person boots will not for any logical or earned reasons, but because movie it's got a movie I yeah, see and not for any logical or earned reasons. It's like well It is logical. It is death's logic of i'm gonna let him go so I can fuck with him He's pretty explicit even. Yeah Now the fear The only way nothing nothing. Yeah, it's possible for the moon. Wow He decided he didn't want to give himself some wins there for uh For for him getting cut damn interesting I don't wins I guess negative sins, you know, you know Joking reference to moonfall so says zero. I think yeah Science to Halle Berry and Patrick Wilson again. It's a funeral So it must be raining even if that funeral is for your cosplay cliche Zero oh, there's no there's nothing there. It's just yeah, it could be raining. So yeah, zero rain. It's real It happens. It rains. It does rain Who was known to cross the line by many names? They let you whisperer. They called him the milk whisperer The fuck does that even mean that he whispered the word milk in people's ears or poor actual milk in people's ears I'm gonna be stuck on this for a while. You guys just carry on Zero His voice made people lactate Oh True or you just get away with milk, man. You had a way with milk even if they were men Tell me how a cat would make that pee stick or I refuse to believe it happened Uh, you break the stick but not all the way and bend it and then you break the stick and not all the way and Bend it And then you rest the bottom bit on the notch of the Branch it yeah, I think this is area because he's not said it's impossible. He said he wanted to see it That's all yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you can want to see it Don't you have department people? There are no cats here Oh, cool. We're headed into crazy cat lady territory I'm gonna wait to see the fresh ways this stereotype is approached for maximum laughter Well, they do approach it in a way that unless it's a good deal of lofta. So, you know You mean it's just no other type of sin zero, I guess Zero zero. He's like, I can't wait to see whatever I Scolding a cat for using a human toilet instead of using him to make yourself millions of selling the movie rights to pickles The cat who can pee standing up these one Zero She's not interested in that at all. So yeah, if I was to take that seriously like But like yeah, I'd rather go. It's just a joke. Is it maybe a one? I mean, I again, he phrased it stupidly, but like Why is she punishing the cat the cat from pissing in the toilet because surely that's better than it using a little She's not all there and she thinks the cat shouldn't be using the human toilet Like I guess so. Yeah, we do see a few times that she's a yeah Also, that's where she goes and yeah, she's cooked in this like nope. That's not for you. The cat food is for you Yeah, okay Adjust right striking a pose that matches your wanted poster. Are you trying to get caught? It's a joke zero. Yeah, whatever moving through the movie mostly with with just nothing commentary because He knows it's good So he knows that he has to make jokes to pad out the time instead of Making all these really shit points, you know about how the film is bad I'm a talking cat We'll be never fully explores the existential and ethical questions involved in a universe where only some animals display sapience Nor does it have to that's our world nor yeah Well, no, he says you're a talking cat as if to say that that's unusual which is that's apparently that's a thing in this universe And that's fine We don't need the film to go over what toy story doesn't have to address a lot of things and it doesn't Well until they introduce that stupid Yeah, that's all about toy story toy story All the questions about the nature of toy consciousness That's right. I'm a dog and I talk but not all dogs talk So it's like, you know, it's just that's the way the world. I don't make the rules. That's just how it is We can even talk about the same guy. He's saying that that's it's a bad thing that the film doesn't do it Like that that feels like a real one. You know what I mean? Sometimes you can tell when he's being Let me hear it. I mean, that's just a statement of fact. I mean, it's nothing there really But he's saying it's bad that he's saying that it's it's there's something wrong with the film that it doesn't explore The ethical questions of a universe We need more than that for him to be saying it's a negative to the film. This to me feels like a statement of fact Yeah Is this I I don't know it could be a peep or sus or something. He already has a sus He doesn't say that it should do that. He just criticizes statement of fact. What he said is true It never does. Yeah, but it's nothing. So by giving it a sin. Is that the implication that it should do that my Well, we already went over this the sin counter is more so like Relevance of the point is complete because we don't We don't count the jokes as negative one When we probably should if if we're going by the logic that he sins the movie and it has to be an accurate sin That's fair. Yeah. All right. Yeah Distential and ethical questions involved in a universe where only some animals display sapience We can eat and talk at the same time had he said and that makes the film worse I've been like, oh, well negative one Eating and talking at the same time. It's over. I mean good job, but it's just a joke. Yeah Oh Why were my belly? That fake loft kills me every time Yeah, like guys, we got it. You guys need to practice your fake laughs. Did you know that you can I don't know like you could have I don't get better fake laughs practice here if he's a textbook comic relief sidekick in an animated movie I love burrito and i'm taking a sit off zero not a textbook comic relief sidekick That's how he appears at the beginning, but that's not what he ends up doing Yeah, he's not textbook Maybe at this point he at this point if he's just complimenting him for the way that he's been portrayed so far You could argue I guess that that would be somewhat accurate, but I still don't think it's worth anything Yeah, I it's another zero. It's Yeah, but also textbook comic relief sidekick in an animated movie cliche So I guess I do care I think that's minus one because he isn't that I guess they're just he's just appealing to the notion of well, he's funny and he's he's along for the ride I was actually gonna say what what do you mean by virtue of his existence He's he's he's like integral to the plot. He's not he is saying that he's a textbook comic relief And it's like yeah, he's not textbook and he's more than a comic. He's more than just comic relief Yeah, I think he's I think sins is just straight up wrong here. I think that's why he might have fucked up here by saying that I think there's something to it I don't know What rules we go with in terms of his assessment of Him at the time or him as a whole Uh, I don't know how much it could be at a time You know because he's saying he loves him and it's like well, you've just met him Well, he was literally citing the the clip of him rubbing the belly is like I already love this character like that That was enough. Yeah, sure. Yeah Hmm, this could be a sus, you know Which would just make it negative anyway If you've known him if you're five seconds and you're saying he's textbook then you're jumping the gun Yeah, I think this is a sus. It has to be at least a sus All right, which means he gets negative too because he has a sus Wait, he's he's down to negative two sus. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. He gets another one. Yep. All right Next book comic relief sidekick in an animated movie cliche So I guess I do care sleeping with as many cats on top of you and still having lungs that are fully functional I'm no doctor, but I'm still positive. That is not possible. She is sitting upright Cats aren't heavy Cats are not heavy and She is sitting upright Also, I can't remember how big her cans are Yeah, I don't know what to do with this one. Um, it's it's not a like I He's he's actually saying that this is not possible, but I'm pretty sure it's possible. Yeah Yeah It's not that many cats on on top of her. Oh people in Chastain. He's talking about allergies, but what if she has none? I mean, you think if she has none considering that she doesn't have any Yeah, the cats don't have to be on top of her for her to be suffering if she's allergic to cats It's gotta be the weight on her chest. That's gotta be what he's allergic to cats I think it should be using all the time always. Yes Well, yeah, I mean, it's it's a joke. We like that out inaccurate, but you know I like how it's just like well, it's a joke. Okay, but it could be a joke that has inaccuracies baked into it It's just being a zero. It's just like Yeah, yeah Okay, but I'm still positive that is not possible Does the growing beard on puss mean that the rest of the cats are shaving every day? I am so very confused about the ramifications of feline facial hair Wow, I think that's uh accurate Yeah, yeah that that one was one that came up during the metal forge on the uh thing So it's uh, does he have a gets a point for that? I think so Nick's All right, okay Neeks one in I smell like comeback Who views at least 19% cats using the bathroom and that is 57% more than I am comfortable with also zero So mama luna is smart enough to have a trough for feeding but couldn't swing for more than one litter box I don't know how much cats shit. So I guess it works out. There's a cue. So we'll certainly see one Yeah, that was a cue. Remember where that guy was that other cat was staring Do not look in the eye when I'm pooping Yeah, she probably stands to get more than one I think that's one when there's like a hundred cats. So I guess he gets one I'm like, yeah, that's fair If I was one little than I would Yeah, I would have more than one litter box for all these Someone said she's old. Please tell me a meaning Please tell me There's no way this bear created this perfect wolf shadow That's not why that shadow was seen. That's that's puss. That's his ptsd. Essentially Seems like a lot actually sees the nose the nose as a bear's nose This isn't a joke by the way That's not a joke. Wow. He's throwing a joke there Well, the thing about whether or not it's a joke is often like he's trying to amuse but he's also pointing things like when Whenever someone feels amused it's like it's a joke. Well, that's not I don't care It's like there's no way this bear created this perfect wolf shadow. It's like it didn't that's not always supposed to grab from that So you're wrong Yes, because for as much as we have made points about the cinema wins trick There is the cinema sins trick, which is oh, it's a meme. Oh, I'm just joking Oh, that was deliberately inaccurate And so that is puss hallucinating this happens to me. I assume it's happened to you guys You've never not been like, wait, what was that and you look back and like, oh, it was just something else Yeah, that happens Oh, you're like, oh, thank goodness. It was it was just a good Yeah, he sees he sees what he wants to see or in this case doesn't want to see he's fucking terrified. Yeah Yeah, like cognitive distortions are not just exclusive to really pull on hallucinations They can take all sorts of extremes. I'm in both visual emotional, you know, auditory, etc. Etc. And they have what I'm saying. It doesn't have to be a hallucination straight up, but um As far as I'm concerned, yeah, that's missing. He's missed the point of that So does he negative one? I would say I think a negative one for that one. Yeah carry on Remember he sees um He sees death in the trees at one point later on Yep, he does see him in a variety of things. Yeah Well, I think Can we switch over to following mama luna then because I'm way more interested in the piano stuffing story than anything I've seen in this movie so far It's negative negative one Well, zero Sorry, my friends, that's a zero. He just said he's not interested It's It's a line, but it's a zero Or or may I nudge it in favor of a people watch yourself. No, no, there's nothing inaccurate. He told you he's not interested I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it What kind of people do we use if he's just being a fucking idiot? Oh, we got loads for that Is there one of just people taking a giant shit? I'm not doing that one. I quite like I love this. I'm learning That one's pretty good rags. Yeah Yeah, that's an I can't believe you just said that people Oh my god, all of those are Everyone hold that we're doing we're people posting We're doing people too We're people but let me say what people posting most of these are pepe's Well, you know, wait, there's a difference. Yeah, pepo is is pepe's son as far as I'm concerned canonically But you can tell the difference between uh, the the Hong is a pepo pepe is the bigger frog That's people They're so they're such versatile such a versatile cast of characters. Love them Brilliant. It does make me wish for custom emojis on every platform known to man Because I feel so limited when I return to regular text messaging. I really do They capture so much with so little That's a good water That one made everyone Yeah That one I like I prefer this version Sorry, anyway backs I'm sure there are certain things giant barely flexible clawed appendages are good for playing the piano this well is not one of them He's that good. He's uh, isn't he and and yeah, and it's possible because of the claws, right? He's just he's dexterous I guess it's the idea that like in terms of actually making Yeah, the problem is that he he grabs things in the movies So well, and if you go to the place of like, well, I don't think any bear I know could do it It's like, yeah, you don't know any talking cat either. So he's a magical he's a magical bear Yeah, I think the film gets to get away with this one If we're gonna be extremely autistic Which we have been already then the size of the bear's fingers means that he wouldn't be able to key Notes that were too close together Ah, but I'm going to challenge you on that because the tip of the claw would still be quite thin Yes, but if the claws are like two inches apart from each other It would be twisty fingers Because he can angle his paws in such a way that the convergence point of the ends of the claws meet close to each other I think that it is Because at this point now we've got to open the can of words of how does how does puss grab a sword Well, because his he doesn't even have paws. He has like hands Yeah, they have like hands in this. Yeah, they have like he has paws that are also hands though They do the fun cartoon thing where sometimes they do. Yeah Do we have a cartoon biologist on board? Well, I would say I believe that he can play the piano because I And we see his fingers moving around Barely flexible claw appendages are good. They're not barely flexible. It's not very flexible That's what I mean And the way he freight said I'm willing to give him zero because he said The way he says is I'm I'm sure that they're good for a lot of things But I don't but plenty has not one of them which technically true but not necessarily true for this creature Piano as well is not one of them date. No, no, no You see the real criticism here would be that without any friction on the piano keys in your claws It would be very difficult for you to play the piano, right? So that's where the real problem would come in especially if you're hitting the black keys the sharps and flats You're hitting the black you have to have a lot of precision if there's no You know what a talented bear he is But what a talented bear he is that's true. He's had plenty of practice If he was playing the guitar if his claws well because uh bear claws are not as sharp as uh cat claws Well, wait, am I am I totally right taking on that? Isn't that because they're retractable that cat claws End up being really sharp A bear claws are always kind of what they are Big and my things. Yeah, except for cheetahs. They don't have retractable claws Yeah, because they're designed entirely for speed In fact, they are so designed for speed that they don't see humans as viable prey So they're actually either scared of humans or they're really friendly around humans And there's no recorded deaths to cheetahs in the wild which is well insane as we know from a previous efap cheetahs form social groups like lions do Meaning because we we talked about this. I think it was either on a ketchup or on a previous event. I think it was a ketchup Well, there you go. Nobody nobody knows Just a little uh, just uh, dropping that there something to come. Oh boy. How exciting You got to watch the super chat ketchups for all of the lore those that's good stuff They absolutely do. Hey, you got to watch them. Yep. The nose never lies That grave would take one of the bears about three seconds to dig up. Why wouldn't they check it? It's a grave show some respect Well, so he's You got her saying she's like in disbelief that he's dead And so he's saying why don't you just take like a couple pause at it and discover if there's a body there or not Which um, I'm not sure what I think about that. I want to say that's a point They trust baby's nose Yeah, you said my nose is like me. I think I think yeah I think that's good enough. Yeah, and also there is an element of you get a little bit of leeway because Digging up graves is a lot a lot of people just wouldn't do that A little bit fucked up Yeah, it's kind of like yeah, I guess there's also the angle of just like well if they do find a fucking cat corpse I don't know that's just gonna be a little bit late. He's like is it is like you show he's like i'm sure he's like, yeah, okay Yeah, they trust baby. That's the thing. They trust baby's nose. These are villains. Why would they respect a grave? We talked about how they're not villains We talked about how they're not villains That's a sin on you. You get a negative A sin on you Is there a jacket here? Also, some people are appealing to the fact that they're bears and that bears in real life Okay, just like what the they're character They're literally golden in the three mama bear being like concerned about the well-being emotionally of her human daughter And you're like, but they're bears True sins wins they're bears Wait, so hold on are they I forget is their objective at this point to find puss in boots and bring him to the higher They want to hire him for the job. Yeah But they've already got kitty. They've already hired her. No, they tried to hire her. She said that she was busy on a retreat or whatever That's why they won't post Okay, yeah, okay Baby says he can do the job and then we see what that looks like Um, that grave would take one of the bears about three seconds to go So why wouldn't they check it does that does that just a zero then because he's asking a question This is uh, yeah He's not wrong about three seconds to dig up the question mark. He's asking why oh the question Yeah, because the implication is Why wouldn't they check it? No, why wouldn't you do this thing? It's like well the implication is you should have done that thing Or you must present a reason why you didn't do that thing But at the same time digging up the grave which they might not want to do when they've already It's already they already. Yeah. He said yeah, he's here Because my my nose and I know and also it's got the big logo above it as well. So, you know Yeah, I think I'm okay with the zero. I'm okay with the zero as well Why wouldn't they check it no outfit that has been underground soaking up water for this long would look this good Especially that feather. That's correct Yeah, that's the correct for the feather. Yeah, that's that's accurate. Yep. Okay, fine You win this rocket, but Ugh, someone's smoking weed downstairs. What am I correct and saying he's back to zero? He is yes, correct. He's at zero right now Oh my god, he's back to square one and he's gonna fight wins. He's got to get to 11 I'm starting to think it's not possible No, not at this rate I think that that He's gotta if he has a really good stretch And then he follows it up with a really good Like final thing which I don't think he normally does No, he doesn't do that. That's a cinema. That's a cinema. Uh, it ain't impossible, but it doesn't look good He's on zero after 46. I don't think he has a hope Higher than I thought he'd have to see like a clump of post shower armpit hair at best Puss is climbing this water wheel as if that's a sneaky way in but this is just terrible castle design Anyone could use that to easily scale your gates. They don't even have to be a self-obsessed non-existent zoro cat Wait, what was that? What do you say? He's just saying that the water wheel setup means that people can very easily break into your castle Oh, okay I feel like it's easier for puss than it would be for a regular person though Does that take away from how he's correct on? Uh, yeah, because you can use it to get up there, which means that it kind of negates the the purpose of the wall Because if it wasn't there then how would puss have gotten up there, you know I mean, I'm sure you could have found a way or they would have Oh for sure, but his main point here seems to be this is terrible castle design Yeah, which I'd say in terms of security. It ain't great. So I yeah, he probably gets a point there Yeah, it's not a it's not a castle Well, that's I would say that's fine that he's he's fortress. Whatever this is. It's clearly got like barbed wire and stuff Yeah, it's a it's a weakness in your security. Yeah Many many of these have a certain sort of Expression attached to them of like, yeah, all right. You get a point. Oh, no. No. Yeah You get a point. Okay. You get it But you can't say yeah, but you're right. It's terrible I think shad might have a blow of gas. You're being like, otherwise the fuck is the water wheel at the front? Maybe I don't know. I don't know how familiar Yeah, definitely possible. Yeah, maybe We're not console experts here on uh, on any channel, right? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's all right. I don't even have to be a self-obsessed non-existent zoro cat Holy s***, those pies are still steaming right out of the oven. How is horn are not melted as plumb thumb plumb off? This will be What's that? He's just saying the pies are very very hot. So how does that not hurt? You might have a callus at this point Yeah, I mean it's Perfect. It's a purple thumb. His thumb is permanently purple. So, you know, extremely high pain threshold. It's possible Well, also like I think I think it's reasonable to assume a callus and under the purple There's like hardened skin from the like maybe he's burnt it again and again and again and that's just that Well, yeah, he's been doing this since he was a kid. Some people highlight magic thumb I sure I feel like it works whether or not it's magic Would just be a mutation on birth. You don't really need magic for that one a bit of a nothing burger that Is that nothing or negative one? I think it's nothing. I think it's reasonable that at this point. He's certainly used to it Well, well, that's that's the thing negative one in it. Not zero. I would be negative. He's saying it's a fault. Okay Yeah, negative one. Yeah Yeah. All right, carry on. Oh, Sydney How his horn are not melted his plum thumb plum off This movie is being super flippant with its wanted posters Are all of these characters really wanted by the police and if so How terrible is the storyland police force that they can't catch any of them. They're not even trying to remain hidden That's true for jack, but jack is I if it's an in-universe wanted poster I think there's a point because he runs a massive pie enterprise and he's there Is he wanted in the location But well, so the problem is the way the wanted posters are presented. Are they abstract and not necessarily in universe? Because pusses was And peritos was well peritos. We only see Sort of without context during it. Yeah, we only see that like on a sign somewhere. So but it's still in the world It so so is jacked by that logic. Yeah, I'd say the peritos and jacks I mean like no, I think peritos like it took it looked like it was in an actual environment in the world The jacks look I don't think that makes any difference Like it because it could still be out of universe and also be in like an environment Could it also just be a different jurisdiction for wanted posters and stuff? I still feel like because because peritos was in a in an environment That that seemed real to the world and it was nailed to the environment. So it was physically in that environment The thing is the more I'm thinking about it. I don't even know that we want to interpret peritos as real because who the fuck put up a unwanted sign for perito The family really wanted to get rid of them. They would have filled out the bottom tabs It might just be like a little abstract joke to represent his Hence my assumption that or his they're all abstract except pusses or at least we could interpret to the jack Real because everyone knows him and the the guy at the beginning was like, uh get boots and boots Well puts this is a real one because we see it In reality death death Yeah, I cut away That's the only one that's interacted with in story like directly as far as I remember Yes, I think so Is it possible that like the wanted poster is real in universe and that there is a bounty on jack's head or whatever But he's just so powerful that no one has even tried to go near to an extent that could that could work too Because this world is different in a lot of ways Might be that He's wanted. Yeah, like well wanted in the town. I think there are police Does far far away have a police force of some kind. They have sex. Well. Yeah, we saw them on nights Showing everything. Oh Yeah, I was gonna say that Uh, this is hard to say police force Hmm Maybe they're just more localized like the guards listening to the the baron at the beginning They're like the police of that town And they answer to him. So I assume every town has its own So are we settling with anything here? Well, we don't have enough information about how the laws and governance work to really Determinative Uh, well, yeah, because everyone's like like this is real But a lot of the townspeople and everything like person think he's a hero like zoro But so there's no contradiction there in terms of the people love him, but You know the leader wants them Gone if everyone just really loves pies and they don't want to arrest him because then the pie I mean, what's funny too is that you'll find in real life You can have like as many as fucking 30 to 50 wanted active, you know And you don't walk up to that wall of wanted poses to be like, wow, they must be shit at their job Like well, it could just be that they all have different reasons for going with that You know and the jack one is the only interesting one because of the fact that he has he seems to have a hq But at least we do get evidence that it's fortressy and he has magical like defenses and abilities Yeah, so who knows how many people tried to get him that is killed. Yeah, we might be in a position We just don't have enough information to well, they even say, you know Yeah, this even says like this is what happens when you cross jack corner when the tickets turn to Yeah, exactly, which I guess leaves me in a place of like Neutral on this one confused pretty much. It's like a question that I kind of understand But at the same time you don't really have that much information to conclude Anyway, other than sure, maybe he's wanted but also he's still out because that's possible And he's pretty powerful So and there's also like government There are like organizations like the cartel in real life where they've got like such power within the region that they are So they're technically wanted but the police can't actually do much to stop them. So Shoe abilities there. That's what I was thinking. Yeah Yeah, so I'm not even trying to remain hidden Check it out. I'm logging on a magic carpet using a magic carpet as an actual carpet also Zero Well, should it technically be a magic rug? Where's the number for the magical item complaint department because I've got words What's the difference between a rug and a cut well, there probably is a difference. I guess Carpet well, he's he's using it for the basis of his coming All right Rugs tend to be smaller than the room square footage by a lot or a little and are not affixed to the floor That's true Like if a if a room is carpeted and then you walk in and it's all wood and there's a rug in it You'd be like, wait, you said well, wait carpeted. Do they say Uh, did they say carpet in this film or is he just going off the fact that it's the magic carpet? Oh, she does say Uh They have different like if I if I walk into a room that had a rug And you had told me it was a carpet room if it was a carpet Then I would be like I've been bamboozled And yeah, I get I get it the the observation of just I think in all of our heads we don't um associate Because carpet you think of it's it's the flooring for the whole room rug. Yeah, it's like attached to the flooring in particular But I don't know the regional thing It could be It's just in the room But I think that Oh, I mean, is that different where where you're from our our rugs and carpets different because they are over here I'm having that moment where I'm like, wait, have I uh, does that happen? Or does it not the I think over here you can call what you guys would say is a rug a carpet And that's chill But then also the carpet on the full floor is the carpet, you know, I mean But like the context of the sentences never make it confusing when you say like um, you move the carpet over there Nobody's thinking move the whole rooms flooring. You know what I mean But people I get yeah, but it's a matter of like would you even say move the carpet because it's almost like a A nonsensical request to begin with what I'm what I'm saying is yes And the it's it's but even though we have the option for a word that would be have more clarity That is just something that is said over here. Uh, at least Hmm. Yeah, my understanding is like all rugs are carpets for normal carpets are rugs Oh, yeah, I understand the difference and the value of the words. I'm just saying that I think uh, least in the wales A lot of people refer to what you would call rugs as carpets All right. Yeah, this is a bit of a carpet here Now, I don't know if this changes anything but in Aladdin Jeannie does look at the viewer and say look at me. I'm talking to a rug That's so true, but then it is also referred to as the magic carpet. So does that mean that it is It's just interchangeable interchangeable or was it just a a an amusing yet not accurate joke that jeannie made This is mega autism It's what people are here for but that is what we do. We do have a reputation to keep um Exactly. Okay. Um Because his his comment here his sin relies on it being one and not the other um Because he's not asking would it be a rug or a carpet? He's saying shouldn't it be this so Does that really get the point? The nails are tripping hazards, but uh Logging on a magic carpet using a magic carpet as an actual carpet Also, should it technically be a magic rug? Where's the number for the magical item complaint department? Because Shouldn't it be well, basically It is a rug I think I think it's a plus one. I guess I think I think I'm leaning that way Given that what's amusing is someone could now roll out no one says a rug room. They said carpeted room What's funny is someone could roll out the hole. It's a joke. So It's nothing or something probably like well, but but what he's saying here is true What i'm trying to say is that we we treat we treat the jokes equally on both criticism and praise Yeah, if if the joke was shouldn't it be a beehive? We'd be like what no, no, it shouldn't be a beehive Why would you even say that? Yeah wrong so Are we relying on what it's referred to as in Aladdin to decide on whether or not this is accurate I just throwing that out there and wherever it lands in land Well, maybe shall we shall we call it a people glad? people It would be art. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think it's reasonable comment. I'm inclined to agree with it Okay. Yeah I people glad I'm I'm okay with that. All right All right people glad speak now or forever. Hold your peace too late. No back That worked 2023 really was the year of Pinocchio, huh? If it weren't for Guillermo del Toro, this five seconds would have been the best Pinocchio movie of the year also What do you mean? Oh, why oh if it wasn't for this five seconds What is it saying that if this didn't exist? Why why sorry? I'm confused Okay, I can explain it. I don't know why this is tough He's saying that posting boots to last wish is better than Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio And that they both count as Pinocchio movies because Pinocchio appears in both of them Oh, okay. I'm considering this a Pinocchio movie is I want to see the text again. I I I want to see the Oh, sorry, he's saying the the Guillermo del Toro is the best Yeah, he's appealing to the fact that the Disney I don't think that's controversial No, he's saying no wait. Hold on. He's saying um He's saying that if Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio didn't exist by default. This would be the best Pinocchio movie That's the other one. Yeah, crazy crazy one. Yeah. Well. Yeah, there's more than it. It's not just the disney one There was that weird badly animated as well. Yeah, that's what we're saying. Yeah. Oh in the disney one Yeah, I'm saying this five seconds Walked out two of them. Yeah, but this is still zero Yeah, yeah It's fun. It's a fun joke. Yeah For Pinocchio, huh? If it weren't for Guillermo del Toro this five seconds would have been the best Pinocchio movie of the year Also, if Pinocchio is singing about being a real boy while he clearly is not why isn't his nose growing? Maybe doesn't even know how to Pinocchio correctly That is true. Oh Because I'm a real oh shit. He's right Wait, does it count as lying if you're singing a song? Yeah No, because he's performing to a crowd of people this song that Yeah, because it's almost a sense like acting right like if you said I am a bath It wouldn't be like you're a liar You know In all of the other depictions of Pinocchio when he's performing. He doesn't say I'm a real boy. They say I'm a talking magical puppet What if you said I'm a real boy in Minecraft? I don't think that the singing subverts the magic because then you could just sing a lie and it wouldn't count Which I feel is uh, not gonna be how the rules work at all. I think it would be I think that that's the spirit Not the the literal words. Obviously. Yeah, like you Uh Is it obvious? Yeah, who's what if he didn't know what words meant? Well, that might be part of the curse Why would it so if he was to say I am a Glorf and then his nose grows. He goes. I guess a glove is not counted as what I am That's making fucking sense No, like it might Is he a glorf? He's not a dwarf. Are you trolling? So his nose would grow Because that's a lie, right? I don't know if you're fucking with me on it I I why If he said if he said I am a glorf You're saying that it I'm saying that in universe if glorf had a definition of a long Crocodile then I guess his nose grows, but he didn't even know the definition Obviously, he didn't even know if he was lying and lying requires intent I agree with metaphors. I now I agree with you there. This is a nature of how the curse works Do we know if that's how the curse works? Since it's expression of lie, I would assume so I don't I just can't imagine that he would well Do we have any examples to work with of who well things that Here's a question. So you decided to just sing a song That had no bearing on his life whatsoever and included statements of like, I don't know affection or Well, yeah, I'm like a young girl moving through a big city and I can't deal with all the pressure That I'll I'll I'll go with that. Yeah, given that the song is about him I think it should be his nose should be growing. Yeah, because Pinocchio knows that he's not a real boy Yeah, but it's a song. He's singing lyrics. He's performing. It's it's about himself. Yeah, but the song is about himself I don't buy that that would make a difference It's the magic public show though But then you could just make a the then you could just make a song about yourself that includes the lie and sing it Just avert the curse. Yes But what if real is not being defined as biological? But I think that the The nature of lying would still Subvert that being the if he was intentionally writing it just to lie then he's lying if he's singing a song written by Gepetto Then he's just singing a song and it's metaphorical in terms of he's a real boy in a metaphorical sense. Yeah, he's like blade runner I feel like he knows what he's doing. I think even if Gepetto wrote the song and he's doing it He's performing this and he knows he's not a real boy And I I think it's less likely that he wouldn't consider this some form of like he I think he knows that this one is Now I think that's a bridge too far Why the Pinocchio conspiracy deepens because he knows that he's not real he's choosing to sing it And he's using it like dancing and he's using it for personal gain He's got to sing this for the performance and then they paid for it I don't I don't think that's fair at all that it would be considered an intentionality of lying on on Pinocchio's part that He's performing in this as opposed to abstaining out of protest that he's not a real boy So he have to sing the real boy song knowing that he isn't a real boy but doing it anyway because This he's performing. This is a stage performance. I don't stand like Would you would equally apply it to any and all songs that have anything that could be interpreted as a lie No, no, but I think this one because it's specifically Like contextualized to this and him and what he's doing when he knows it isn't true Molo, I don't know if that's the I don't know if that it's under the same umbrella Is is there any difference in terms of intent as far as you're concerned between him singing this? I'm a real boy thing and him singing like I'm a Barbie girl or something. Is there any difference there the Significance of the distance between however relatable it would be for him I suppose but I don't know that it would undo the fact that this is something that he has to do Or at least we as far as we're away All right, let's see in the movie Pinocchio So he said I've got no strings to hold me down to make me fret or make me frown and that is true But that that is true and his nose doesn't grow So maybe that establishes says that's a truth and doesn't grow Is there let me look up the lyrics for the song and maybe that'll give us like, uh Pinocchio Song I don't know what it's called. I've got no strings. Okay. I've got no strings to hold me down to make me fret or make me frown I had strings, but now I'm free. There are no strings on me Hi ho the mario That's the only way to be I want the world to know nothing ever worries me Well, that's a lie. That's a lie, but his nose doesn't grow Hmm I've got no strings. So I have fun. I'm not tied up to anyone They've got strings, but you can see there are no strings on me. You have no strings your arms is free To love me. No, that's a dutch puppet french puppet russian puppet pinocchio. There are no strings on me All right. So yeah the nothing ever worries me No, it's I want the world to know nothing ever worries me Which actually changes the context Because knowledge is a justified true belief which a crowd could reasonably say that they know that They they know that nothing ever worries pinocchio and pinocchio wants them to know that So if pinocchio really wants the world to know nothing ever worries him Then technically that is not a deception So he's not lying. He wants everyone to know a lie I want the world seems like another subversion of the curse. I know that's why I'm kind of Oh, fuck you cinema sins Is it is it pole time? I don't know I don't know like Okay, so is he trying to convince the crowd that he is a real boy? I Think if we're back to the spirit and intentionality of his Current being then we have to assume whenever we see his nose not grow while performing That he is not trying to convince anybody of a lie. He's simply performing. So consider Consider that he is being marketed as magic puppet so I think that his nose should not grow because Here he is being the whole point is he's a magic puppet and he's saying I'm a real boy But I don't think that he intends to actually deceive people into thinking that and it's understood that of course He isn't a real boy But he's like a real boy in the fact that he's animated and he is a puppet because those are the big words over The top of him. So I think in that sense. I disagree with cinema sins And his nose should not grow when he says it in this context There you go If he was lying to someone to try and convince them that he was a real boy Is someone like are you a puppet? He's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm a real no because at the beginning of shrek He says I'm a real boy and his nose grows I can't wait to see this on the high level reference. Well, but that Right, that's not singing right? He says it But he was he was saying it But I don't think but I think the song would give because if he's using the song in this context to deceive Either well either way it's it's either way. It's a matter of the deception element the song has left the I think the song has sort of left the equation and we can just focus We don't have to broaden out to that point. It's just the deception of the message or not I think the performance does lend something to his well, that's why he's Yeah, that's why he's okay here. That's why here his nose wouldn't grow But earlier when he said the same thing, you know, I'm a real boy to the guard He was doing it in order to deceive something else however No, no, no, that's it. I think it's it. Yeah, I think sins is wrong Well, hold on it could have been in the cake we're going to go back to the first trick movie It could have been that he was saying that I'm not a puppet. I'm a real boy Because he actually believed that he was I don't think he can be Deluded into thinking he's a real boy I mean, I hate to say this I don't know it here. He can't that happens I don't want to crack open a huge conversation versus like obviously the definition of real boy is complicated That is true But what if he was knowing his per if he had a definition of real boy That didn't conform to what he understood everyone else to understand by that and he said it anyway Would that count as him being deceptive when he knows that even though he believes it to be true That other people would get a different impression based on what he said and he's counting on that Would that still count? You know what? We need to stop this We need to quit I think that cinemasins is incorrect here. I think we lack the full context to say his nose should be growing here Yes I'm happy to settle on that because there's so much about it. We don't know. Yes. Yeah, that's fair I think so would this be a negative one I think negative one is where we're settled at because He is making an affirmative statement when it should be taken in an agnostic position as to the position and length of Yeah, he said he's a direct criticism of the movie So Yeah, negative one. Yeah, he loses a point. All right I think we're that kind of alone. Where's he sitting? Is it easy easy? Is he on zero negative one? He's on negative one right now I just want to chat rags laid out his logic perfectly just to ignore it at the recollection of schreck As is most things in life. That's what schreck does. Schreck is life. Schreck has the answers No, schreck does things to you to your critical processes. It just Absorbs you also anybody saying it's a joke. You don't get that excuse here. No escape hatches. Sorry. They're all locked up Also, what we said was a joke Schreck cool reveal, but what's the scenario in which she's been in there this whole time? So she would have been trying to get it She got real close and then she had to you know hide in there because she ran out of time It got real clear like there's plenty of different specific ways it could happen And also just to settle a thing in chat real quick about him being a legit lie Um, I don't think that the nature of the of the curse is such that if he was to meet someone and say Oh, I'm over the moon to see you The idiom of him being over the moon Would make his nose grow because he wasn't actually in a position above the moon. Rax, you already said we should stop It's all right. It's all right. We got to stop. We got to stop back to case off us Rax does it depend on which moon? That well the moon I think would be referencing luna our moon, which is the moon I think that technically the name of the moon is the moon so Yeah, if you're on if you're on a planet and you only have one natural satellite and you call and you and you say the moon I think that unless you're specifically referring to a different moon, which I doubt he would be No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is madness. This is madness If he was on mars and he said i'm over the moon, it would be like it does not compute and he would explode or something Well, we haven't even talked about like the paradox of him saying which one so Wait, it's there are questions You can't be over the moon because there's no directionality in space I know it would it would be like you'd have to need some sort of a reference point And that would depend on panokio state of mind when he said that but a state of mind would obviously be that He's just using a common idiom to explain how happy he is, right? I'm over the rebel Listen, I I'm over the rebel moon. I'm fucking over it. All right. It's coming back. It's coming back for us Part two part two is coming back. That's different. That would be great. That is rebel mood rags Rebel mood pot two rebel moon The scar giver. Yes You arrive to the home. Oh the wolf is the scar giver to make her move This seems like uh, she didn't even want to come out yet. She had to come out because it was opened Yeah, because yeah because it was uh, yeah They tried to hire me. Uh, so that's negative one. I think right Um, I think sorry He's saying that like what scenario could possibly lead to this and why would she wait this long to jump out When I don't know that we have any reason to think That she didn't like she she wasn't I don't know what you're when you're inside that and you're getting Rumbling around you're hearing voices. It's hard to know exactly when you should jump out And it looks like she hung on for so long that it was until it got opened by someone else. It was locked as well From I don't know if you can unlock it from the outside inside. I don't know But even then you know while it's being held by two people because she doesn't have uh claws She has a knife, but I don't know if that would be good enough and she can't get her sword out in there I don't think That's true. Yeah. I think that might be a negative one. I think it is All right negative one carry on In fact, you could have it could have been a kind of cool observation You could say she might have been trapped in there because of the fact that she didn't have claws to lockpick Yes ago that makes you plan B There it is Wait, three of them have been in the same room as this conversation the whole time How have none of them seen or heard this inane ego battle that's been going on for all the some time Well, if you notice he said aha So that probably like up to that point. They were he was speaking You know, yeah lower or not much at all. It looked like he was searching for uh, Midas's hand Through a bunch of things so they may not have been any talking just like wait and then Search search, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Uh, is that another negative one? Oh god, I I didn't think I was aiming too high when I phrase it Let's have a little well. He said how none of them seen or heard this inane Ego battle has been going on for some time I assume that they're distracted talking to jack who's obviously a pretty compelling presence So, oh, sorry. He's asking how the people in the other side of the room haven't heard puss and Uh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I never even entertained that. I thought they were way too quiet to be heard Oh, yeah, I seem so too. Yeah, they were they're they're focused on each other Obviously big jack and all of this stuff Time out of none of them. Yeah, let me just hear them again in the cut scene part of it. That makes you plan B There it is wait three of them have been yeah, I think that's just it's just far enough away that they're busy enough And that the the just didn't alert them. I think that's fine Yeah fair enough and also we were a lot closer to their conversation as a viewer Yeah, those three were so it would be a lot quieter for them as well Um, but I'm almost at the point of saying it's a reasonable observation almost like don't want to take a point away for it Well, he does have a people glad Are you saying we take the people glad away? I'm saying it's if if you feel strong enough to take a point away, but not that strong enough we could Nullify it by taking away the people glad. I'm just saying that's an option I think it's nullification made a people suss that that's what would be given him It depends because ultimately giving him a by the introduction of the people suss in people glad system Is such that we are now given an extra metric between the numbers by which to By which by by which to value How much these you know points can be distributed for instance If it's barely a nudge then we can just take the people glad away But if it's a points worth of nudge, then we could say all right Let's flip it and turn that into a people suss Right, so you got some options here. So it really just depends on how you feel I'm gonna watch what he showed us again. Larry on which she's been in there this whole time Why would she wait until she arrived to the home of the person? And she has bad blood with to make her move. They tried to hire me two weeks ago. That makes you plan b Ha Wait, three of them because someone else said as well this the the two susses are facing them. I don't know if that counts as facing them Yeah, I don't I don't buy it. I think they're focused totally on jack and uh magical Especially when they're about to receive the biggest payment. They've likely had no whole lives Yep. Oh, yeah, the blinders are fairly on and firmly on at this point So are we removing people glad I'm okay with that. I'm fine with removing people glad I do however needs to use the loo So I'll be right back. You can carry on if you wish reject the people verse I mean, they could have framed it slightly differently and have the two sisters be like closer to him with their backs to The uh, it could be more at height for sure, which is why I'm I'm sort of inviting anyone to say it should be a zero If anyone feels that way I'm okay with just the the people The people are glad Just you know going home. All right. I don't really have strong feelings on it very well Room is this conversation the whole time? How have none of them seen or heard this inane ego battle that's been going on for all the some time Please mock me quietly says the guy whose feather is completely visible to anyone in the room Well sound is different than visual, but also just uh, I've That might even been a forgotten by him um I don't know if that's more so a joke Um, I mean, I guess it's an interesting observation and if somebody looked over they'd see the feather it's not like, um It's it would be a strange visual for sure, but um, yeah, you might you might just miss it by looking over Uh, what are we? This is says the guy whose feather is completely visible to anyone in the room. Does that Is that is that comes up as a character criticism of puss in that moment when really I think it's easy enough to forget that Detail of your costume when you're wearing that hat all the time Hmm Like are we saying that's what the criticism is that uh, but should be aware of the feather Yeah, because he's saying he's saying we need to be quiet while being very quote-unquote obvious because of the visually loud Yeah, he's being visibly loud. Yeah Well, um, uh, maybe maybe give him that one. I think that's a plus one Yeah Very well because also what sins is saying here is that the feather is visible not that the sisters should see it Which is which makes this point different to his previous one I am convinced Feather is completely visible to anyone in the room I'm sorry, but every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass Unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle Oh, she means because like she was moving it all around anyway Yes, taking a um I guess that I can't like like the the the absurdity that we're out of him Basically criticizing like all those little creatures that screamed for the joke That wouldn't be possible because they would have been dead already from him moving them around so This is like well, uh, I guess he's right What are those creatures have we seen them before? I don't know. Well, no clue in terms of are they even dead? They might be screaming. It doesn't mean they're dead. Maybe they I don't know But I mean I know he's saying they shouldn't be able to scream because they should be dead Yeah, I mean they're probably just people regular people but small so Yeah Apply when you were shrunk to that size. Do you have longer fall damage or something? You you take a lot less, which is why like spiders can fall off skyscrapers without giving a shit So because they don't they're not going to have any mass if they're inside that bottle Yeah, I mean, you know, they will but it'll be it'll be 20 so smaller mass Yeah I feel like this is something this is like the Pinocchio thing. I think we could get stuck on this for half an hour I guess we don't know enough about their existence or their magic or their physics. It's um Is there room enough to say that they may very well have Not only survived the initial You know thinking around it, but screaming doesn't mean they've now died from that fall. They could still be alive Yeah, I mean the screaming just means that holy shit. This is happening and I'm scared like obviously they would be It doesn't mean they're gonna die And so that's like a zero that or That would be I think zero Yeah We need a custom gpt just to figure this out Or to be negative one because he's assumed something that we don't have the context for I'm sorry, but every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass Unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle the best thief has won True Well, you missed the conversation rags. Oh, yeah, I just sat down I guess I did because I just sat down. What is uh, what was the conversation? Square cubed law. So you would have less mass and so you would take less damage Um from falling and stuff like that also beings. We don't have enough context for what exactly affects them in what ways Oh, yeah, it's the little pussians. Yeah bottle may well be another story the gulliver's travels That's not what I I don't know the context of this movie. I don't know that we could base it on another movie Uh, oh story whatever I I think he's Yeah, I think he's accurate. I don't think we have any they're they're not magical. They're just small. Um And they're specifically referred to as the little pussians Not just little people or pygmies or pixies. So I think it's reasonable for us to assume that they abide by Uh, the rules that the little pussians have in gulliver's travels Then you can't base goldilocks on another story. That's the thing we don't we we take what they establish is true In this if goldilocks did something in this that was at odds with something in her own story Then we would take this over her own story Yeah, but as far as we know it seems weird that they're Completely stuck to the ship inside of the bottle and she can wave it around and they don't They even if they even assuming that they're uninjured by it, you'd still see them bouncing around in there Um, oh, yeah, that that one's probably accurate because they would yeah, I think that's accurate They wouldn't be dead Now they fall out every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass unless they somehow vacuumed a Nersha out of that bottle It doesn't move at all. Yeah, I think it's uh Yeah, I think it's a point. Yeah, like how were they stuck to the side of the bottle and Yeah Isn't the criticism that they should be dead like he's that's the thing he said He said they should all be dead but They're not even but I know I don't agree that they should all be dead. There would probably be some survivors however however I think I think the spirit of it Is not to be overly generous But I think the spirit of it is that they're completely stuck and fastened to the deck of the ship Which is strange, um in terms of does that not highlight there's something maybe about the bottle Yeah, I think is given that sins is trying to say that all of them should be dead And like without being pedantic, we can't know that all of them should be dead because we've got mythical species of of some things that we don't really know anything about we've got probably magic bottle And we've got inertia laws of if If there was a building that collapsed, right? And someone said everyone in there should be dead Like if they were amazed someone survived and they said everyone in there should be dead Like the spirit is like the I think the spirit is essentially there that so Yeah, but the problem is The it is really strange that the the ship and the people aren't moving at all until she smashes the bottle open Which instead of being treated? Which I think is the difference between almost good faith and bad faith interpretation We should probably take that as rule setting as opposed to contradictory Like for as long as the bottle was not opened. They were safe That could well be the case because we have magic bottle Well, I don't want to ship ship and it ships in a bottle or a thing So putting their little effusions in a ship and the bottle on a ship that would match their Many things that are a thing but then also like a twinge of magic And this is the magic place the magic room with all kinds of magic things I don't know that we can rule it out um I'm I'm If I saw the bottle I wouldn't I would not grab it and wave it around if I saw them inside. I think there would be No level of assumption that there must be something magical that would keep them safe if I did that That doesn't change anything so I don't Try to think is there any else is there anything else in this thing that he collects that Isn't magical Wait, he wants to control all magic So if everything else in this place is magical in nature Then the he wouldn't have no reason for collecting this a bunch of little effusions if there wasn't some magical element to it I suppose Because he wants to control magic So I think by that logic I could say it's inconclusive And he doesn't say I think that nudges me The he like leaves the window open for it potentially having an explanation. I don't know if that would include Some form of magic by saying vacuum denature out of the bottle, but um Because he's accounting for the fact that the the bottle is broken before we see What happens to them and that that could mean a lot So I I'm more than happy to settle on zero because we just have so Again, it's kind of a problem. I'll settle. Yeah, I think there I settle on zero I think I'm leaning towards this being a fine point, but I I'll settle on zero. There's too much going on Plus unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle the best thief has won premature celebration Zero I guess It's zero because yes, I mean it wasn't premature celebration But that's just uh describing what he did Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Yeah, she screwed up the But I don't know that it's enough to be a character flaw or anything. I'm not even sure if that's what he's saying I mean That's hence the problem Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Finally you need therapy accusing someone else of needing therapy as if it's wait, what are we doing for that point? Are we I think that we can't I don't think we can know It's so difficult that I just I'm getting for zero. I don't know if anyone else feels different I think zero. Yeah, because we're not sure we don't see your expression So we don't know if she's you know exasperated or like super curious or a bit terrified The thing I'd say is like I'm always He moves pretty fast It is a car wheeling cat with pies on his feet. That's it like you can argue someone easily is distracted by just the Marvelling at whatever the fuck that is. That's an image. Say this I mean, I'm leaning towards one for that because I think it is an accurate observation and I think that the character easily could have Well, that was part of my problem though. I don't even know that like He's one you could you could point this out as both a criticism of a character and that it's in line with the character I don't know yet. I don't know what he thinks There would have to yeah, because the way that I mean, she's obviously fast enough to do it. It's is it reasonable that she didn't do it well sin said that she Had the time to kind of stand there and go oh person boots. You're an idiot, but didn't move That is the criticism not the fact that she didn't move on its own I don't think that what I'm trying to point out is that he doesn't have the context of the criticism This is saying what happened No, well, I mean obviously the implication is that was stupid and um and bad writing That's what I don't know that we've been that fair to the to wins when he makes a statement We don't say like he's obviously saying that this is a compliment to the script that matches this or something We usually just say like no is too descriptive I feel like this one is way more apparent This is obviously saying what she did was stupid and that's bad writing It's implicit based on the fact that it's a sin, but I do see Or not sure there's a reason to move out of the way is obviously the point that he's making Like I said, you could contextualize this as in character because of the fact that she's so ready and willing to make fun of him And Yeah, I mean you could you could go down that angle, but like what this is a criticism that he's letting I don't think they That's what I'm saying each other I don't think that her saying that and not moving out of the way. I don't think those two things are in conflict She could do both Right, you're saying yeah, and then his criticism would be His criticism would be yeah, she should have moved. This was stupid and bad writing Yeah, but I still feel like that's that's way more explicit than what he said I I don't know about that. I feel like this is pretty okay. What I just said is just true Uh, yeah, I mean I've said more than he said but like I mean Like what what is the more likely read them what I've just said We don't usually go by likely I don't we didn't do this for wins um Remember every time I read into like what he was saying it was like, yeah, but that's not fair. You're not even say these words Is it? Yeah, that's true. Um Do we have to like how how far deep into it do we need to read like if this was uh the puss in boots was all Jack was standing there and pointing a gun at Kitty and she just kind of stood there and took it and that is all sins said Are we allowed are we allowed to should we sort of infer that I just want to apply the same Uh to to wins to be fair to wins and so what is missing here is him saying Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way when she's characterized as being not only fast but observant and obviously Uh, there's all there's a high stakes situation. So there's no reason for it to like if that's how he did it all I probably give him even a point But the thing is I still think there are defenses of this happening But the fact is all he said is taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way It's like yep, that's what happened Uh, okay. Um all right, uh I guess it's all trying to figure out like how to apply the standard consistently In terms of you need to go further if you want to earn your uh criticism So what would that make? I feel like there's no insight this this is usually what we reward for Sure Yeah, I mean I'm okay with zero Yeah fair So do we knew nothing about that said I would say that yeah This is that that was the point that he's trying to make so why I would be critical of this myself is the way they portray It she stands there staring for too long. It just looks a little awkward I think I would have had it maybe face palm and then she looks up and looks shocked because she's she hasn't realized He's heading right for her, you know But like make it close to when she hits that sort of thing Operation this idiot taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Finally you need therapy accusing someone else of needing therapy as if it's something we all wouldn't benefit from Well, but like it's it's like a thing you say to somebody when you think they need mental help Yeah, I guess it's a nothing. Yeah, it's just a mean observation so zero Yeah So I said at another point take it away. This is getting embarrassing Probably shouldn't take this too seriously The cinema wars is probably shouldn't be something that makes you uh, too upset So how can you say that when you have an argument about Pinocchio and the song and the nature of lies and stuff? Mean ranks were not upset. We were just talking We weren't I if anything I was I was just I was just saying you were taking it seriously. That's all Well, yeah, I was taking it seriously. I wanted to get to the bottom of this madness. I said too seriously Ah, I see. Oh not us if we do it. They're my definitions. It's not too serious slippery baller when I do it It's sufficiently serious, but when you do it, it's too serious Interesting. Well that that would apply But it would also apply if I had a standard that I feel I have adhered to and that that person had not But that have you considered slippery? That's that's you you're slipping sliding around Good for evasive action. I agree. We've got a peepo suss on you He's careless with your priceless collection and everyone knows you never take a Yeah, this is absolutely in character and he's implying it's negative Hmm Starting to doubt his seriousness as a collector Or is that Uh, maybe like he's saying like it is in character. That's the problem with making jokes all the time That's the problem with this fucking the sin of a sins. Why I'm doing it Yeah, I think the issue is yeah, the Yeah, am I am I am faring too much for positive by by suggesting that maybe he's saying He's not into it for the collection. He's into it for other character based reasons and that this is proof Because he doesn't take care of the collection. It's like well, you giving him too much credit I think that's what I was gonna say. I feel like that's too much credit The virtue of us having to think about interpreting what he's saying is almost like well Your video shouldn't have to do that Yeah, and that's not like there's an acknowledgement All of any of those aspects which would be the insightful stuff and the fact that he's um, he's in a rush Yep, and he's gotta go So do we do Ah, dammit. I don't know. This is his this is how he does it It's this memes mixed in with the real criticisms mixed with the with the apparent intentionally accurate criticisms Maybe just for that Yeah, like I don't know if you can keep using the shield over and over and over when I mean, uh Oh, fuck it. Oh I say negative one. I think negative one. Yeah negative one. I was about to say zero, but Like feel like this is negative one mean worthy to where it becomes a zero Yeah, I just yeah, I'm sick of having to like try and interpret What exactly he means in the context of the video in the sin system and to figure out basic stuff Like so is this a problem or not? Oh, wow Oh, if he's serious I just sort of flew in there if he's being serious then uh, then it would be a negative one because it means he's Made an inaccurate observation about the character It sounds like most of us were saying negative one though. So sounds like that's already got it. I think I don't think he Yeah, I don't think he was ambiguous in a like a meaningfully deep or insightful way Yeah Uh, so just because I did have to step away. What does that put his score at? Um, I've got him currently at minus two Okay, gotcha. Oh my god. He's got a long way to go to To steal victory back. He does. He does Down his seriousness as a collector. I'll get you my kitties and your little dog too Not subtitling your movie the wizard of pause reference. There you go rags. You got it He did he did get it. He did get it dark forest No one goes into the dark forest or it comes out I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption that they won't be coming out No, it's true. No points No points Yeah, I think that's no or is it or yeah, I think it's a joke or is it is he trying to Is it yeah once again because it's like well, what's interesting is that If he had phrased this as it's really strange that puss says Um, no one comes out after it's agreed upon essentially that this is a place that no one can even reach Because it feels like a weird thing to say But then if he's joking Like he doesn't you know, I mean it's odd for him to say that I mean even assuming that it's like yeah, it's really weird that he would say that and pointless for him to say that After she said that is like is that The big problem here. Is that a is that a problem worthy? I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption Well, wait wait wait wait I feel like I feel like they're much simpler readers that kitty believes that nobody ever goes there But then puss is like well, maybe they do but they never come out. So we never even know if people have gone in there True That's like the first read that I would have I still feel like people going to the dark forest. Do they never let anyone know they're going? Uh Yeah, there is that sure To be honest with you. I'm surprised nobody ever does mention that they're going It's like nobody needs to know I'll be fine I'm trying to figure out whether or not this is sort of just like something they wrote relatively quickly and Didn't you know it Uh Are we on inconclusive? I don't know I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption that they won't be coming out. No, it's gone I I think that the friggy is right. I think that I think that the Person kitty are talking about two different hypothetical people going in or out Whereas what sins is doing is he's conflating the two and saying that the people who didn't go in also won't be coming out Which obviously doesn't make sense. So I think sins is misreading the scene Yeah, because yeah, that's kind of how I feel cool But I think it's a fair thing to but it's like a zero It's not like yeah dramatic error. It's just like a zero. It's zero. Yeah, I think it's a fair thing to bring up Fun, but it's not it's back the cold war. Wait, what? Wait, what guys you are? You're a thing. I think that's a timely political reference. I don't I don't think we're in another We're not in a cold war Dog Steal alive. Why does post think perito can hear him now? Does puts and boots even know how to portal? Why would you they don't know what it is. They have no idea what this is. Why would you know what it is? Obviously you'd ask. Yeah I don't know on the other side. Yeah, it's still a point. You know what's funny So they just said no one goes there all comes out. So he obviously doesn't know I actually because I thought you might go in a different direction, which is where I would have gone Which is I'm not sure that was in character for puss Then he would kick burrito in assuming he might die. That doesn't seem right I guess what he saw that his arm had returned to him Yeah, but the fact that he said still alive It's like damn. Did you think there was a chance he could die? And he's still dead Unless he said it like somewhat somewhat like Sarcastically, I thought that was the angle he was going to go to not this which is like why wouldn't he just ask before jump? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Yeah, like you just you want to call out because if the portal, you know, it might be that That's just how it might be that he can reply. Yeah, it might be that it's just a wall and not like some crazy There's just so many things it could be Yeah, there's it's a crazy magical portal to a magical forest that he knows nothing about Because I don't think he does At this point, he didn't care about the dog. I don't think that's how puss in boots works Like I just don't buy that he would you'd be like, yeah, it's fine for the dog to die Because I just don't really care about him because like that that doesn't feel right with the character at all Ah f*** you moomy there's nowhere you're getting that kind of volume without a hairdryer It's a visual gag. Fuck off Well, how do you explain my Saturday nights then? True. I think haven't we not given him points for this before? Admitting that it's sad, but that it's true I know Wait, so do we now do we now have to ask could you get that kind of volume without a hairdryer? Is that what we have to ask? Could be static electricity. What about his eyes? Like can he actually is he making his eyes physically? Oh, well, we can get away with Fantasy creature with poofy fur Because he can do it with his eyes because I mean, you know Because it's something that's worth noting the way that it's presented in this film is far more cartoonish than in like track two Where he looks like a normal cat You don't like do you guys remember the visual when he does the eyes and track like he looks a lot more like real He's not it's not like his eyes are growing larger in proportion to his head, right? Yeah It's it's established as being something you can learn how to do. It's not just a it's not like a magical Property, it's it's something that you just cats can do it like have you ever rubbed a balloon Um against something and then hold it up to your hair Yeah Yeah, so it might just be static electricity. You might have just rubbed it the right way I don't know if this science checks out on that one Yeah, I would need to get a physicist in to double as someone who has I now I don't have like A bushy beard or anything because because I'm a dog But I would I know there's a guy And I know and he's got really long hair and you can't just like had it and it poofs That's not how it that's not hair hair works. No, no human hair works, but I assume most susceptible Oh Hmm Yeah, well he if he I if he can do it with his eyes is reasonable to say he can also exaggerate for cuteness his beard I wonder if fantasy creature lets him get away with this compared to something like the sword delay where it doesn't I Yeah, I think yes, I'll contain to an ability that he knows how to do and she does as well Which I Think is all right Treat it the same as the eyes because the sword thing involves Involves another character. Well, the sword thing involves breaking what we know to be true about the sword throughout all of the rest of his iterations As well, but meanwhile this doesn't seem to break anything from what I can gather Yeah, if anything it's just a better version of what he could already do It's a it's an it's an enhancement of his ability And I think something you get more autistic. This is less autistic than Pinocchio. This is less autistic. Let's be clear Plus Frito can't do it at first, but then he does it at the end and it it would A great peril to himself So you if you can go from not being able to do it to doing it I assume that if you you can go from doing it to doing it better It was earlier, but I think it checks out a real cat. He is a base. He is a cat so any Like action that relates him to a cat is something praiseworthy, but that he's a fantasy Well, what I'm saying is I think it's it's totally coherent to praise them for Matching actions that they've clearly paid attention to but then to also have things that move away from a real cat into fantasy He's not he is a cat, but also more Yeah, um, I am I thinking zero on this one Yeah, I am I think that checks out zero This idea of a map that transforms the path based on the user is clever and stunningly executed Am I taking another sin off? Is it possible a movie from the shrek universe is actually No, it's not enough He didn't say why it's good. He just said it's good. Is the possible a movie from the shrek universe is good Um, that's not that it's really weird to say that that's an interesting That is out of line That is out of line that actually means that he might be losing something here Does he think that shrek and shrek 2 are bad? There's it Out of principle, he should lose a point for that Just to ask the question I break in the rules for that He's he's got he's got some spice. Don't you want to break the rules a little bit? He's he's a spicy lad I'm fine with some spice, but but don't you want to You know what? I actually appreciate someone taking that stance that no one in their right mind would ever take in You know what? I guess you're right. Yeah What deranged is that? Yeah a little bit a little bit of deranged. Yeah, you're a little deranged So with that much self-confidence there is he's clearly derangement fair enough for the record He did not give any significant like insightful praise to why he just said it's cool. He said it's good It's not good enough Wins did more than that, but let's see if sins can catch up infinite sorrows Artex I don't even have a wish, but can I try it? So if the map gives you the path of whatever is in your heart, then wouldn't that also mean Whomever's path is selected would be the one to get the wish. Why? No, why would that mean that? Yeah, that's not in what no the way that the wish works that you if you're holding the map while you're there Yeah needs to hold the map in order to make the wish You could call it an exploit that they can use his world and then take the map off him right at the end and make the wish But that is how it works. That's how it works. So is that actually a negative? Because no, no, that's just that's just how it works. There's nothing there's no the Well, he says here the lack of rules given for this map is very frustrating. Yeah The rules are yeah that you need this to make the wish and the map Will change the world based on who last interacted with it. So what's the problem? Magic doesn't mean perfect. It doesn't mean no loopholes. It just means that Reality can reshape according to certain rules. Like there's what I'm saying. This isn't nothing He's making a step. This is just like incorrect. Yeah, that's correct How would they get to make a wish if they're using his path? It's like we see how it works by holding the map Because you need to hold the map at the end when you're there Yeah, there's no nothing consistent. So but he said there is Fair enough For kitty get to make a wish if they use perito's path the lack of rules given for this map is very frustrating What he should have said is that feels against the spirit of how this may or may not work But you know what that's how it works. So there you go Yeah Wait, is that putting characters on the map before they complete their journey through the sky sphincter? Well, no, they got added on because I've just gotten in I mean, yeah, I think he's actually saying traveling through the portal He's actually saying like they hadn't exited the portal fully Before having appeared on the map, which again, that's not inconsistent. That's just that's apparently how it works Is you saw on the map right before you come out of the bottle When you play a game, it says that you've joined while the countdown Character actually is in there. Yeah And plus like such and such has joined the squad and then that character shows up on the map We wouldn't even be able to do anything with this because In the dark forest, he's always got to say what's true, but he hasn't you know, there's no context or anything else He's just like, yeah, okay, zero then Flexitive slogans, you know, wait, is that negative one for him? Is that a minus? No, it's just zero because he doesn't contextualize it Fair enough. And uh, yeah, also this reminds me of what he could say here, which is the The baker's dozen man gets almost insta killed while she does not hear Even though she kills one of them You know, I think all you have to do is stop and smell the roses But how did Perito know this flower would lift him up to where puss and kitty are? First one, he sniffed just let him pass by and if Perito can use the flower So transport him around by simply I think he interpreted Like almost quote-unquote kneeling down or whatever you'd call this is laying down as the that option. He was right That's all you'd interpret there So how why are we assuming that he knew that it would do that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I don't think he knew it He just was was like I wonder if this works. Oh, it does cool Also to answer his question why continue to walk anywhere is it because stems do not have infinite length? Yeah Wait, so what are we looking at here? I mean It was like it was a fair question I guess that is was still in zero But then by saying why doesn't he use it to travel everywhere is like well Kitty are first one The stems seem to be bound by and if Perito didn't use the flower I don't know how much does he get away with just asking questions because like a lot of his That's like that's his full map for criticism Yeah, he's phrasing it as a question My comparison at least wins was like it's true if you do this with a holocaust you get banned, but he can yeah, so I'm just saying like Cinema sins formula for delivering criticisms is often in the form of a question Questions. Yeah, then results in a negative. So Like it results in sin The fact that he's saying do it the he's implying that the flowers should be able to take them all the way to the to the wish Yeah, the implication is this is bad writing and that's all That's the implication that's always couched in the whole like these types of questions I think that's I think that's a minus one which case I think that leads to negative because it's like you're making a claim That it's just like completely unfounded And if anything the final question like he expects these stems to Be an infinite length wherever he wants to go was like come on I mean, I'm fine with that. I'm fine taking a I'm fine taking a point away I think it's fair to be like just because he it seems to be his thing to ask these questions that have clear implications for what he's meaning with a story so Fine with giving it a negative one All right fair enough Willing it to do so why continue to walk anywhere? This is stupid. All I smell is bullsh Sticking your grimy fucking paws in someone's fucking mouth instead of just sleeping that fucking like you did earlier what There's no criticism of praise Yeah, that's a different scenario Are you so ridiculous dog? What's your story? Is perito's story that he's a discount olop? I mean if he started singing about how much you love summer I would not frozen frozen. Yeah, that that is almost It's the caribou No, it's snowman Oh, okay. What's the caribou's name? I don't know. I don't I don't know shit about frozen I think yeah, I don't know The caribou is uh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's uh All right, if you if you type in frozen caribou, you it's a roller coaster for the image you get back Um, Sven his name is Sven. Oh, okay Wait, so what's the problem? All right, so this is just some meme again. Yes. It's like roll off zero. Oh, yeah Drop the hook out of this like this little rock Good thing for our heroes. These flowers were set to spin or there you go. You got a point. You got a point. You got a point Yep, it did Earlier kitty soft paws chopped like a half dozen of those things and they didn't so much a scratcher for it I judge you why sit on your shoulder and Actions and the quality of your character. I'm your conscience Jiminy Stewart's showing up here is hilarious But why does he have two pat legs instead of four? Still this scene is now the third best Well, isn't it obvious Like two works just fine. Why why not just that that seems to work just fine. Yeah Yeah That seems to work just fine That that's So what do we do with that? I'm saying why does he have four legs instead of two? No, why does the implication is he should have eight then that's wrong I feel like it's a minus is what he's saying I I don't know about that. I want to say by this. It's Oh, okay that far. No, that's what I'm saying if he is saying that he should have eight Then the that's a claim He's saying you should have four not eight I got four four, but I don't know I was thinking I was thinking of something else I guess I'm thinking yeah, like I'm not the math guy, you know, yeah, this is yeah, I'm fine with this Why does he have two pat legs instead of four? Still this scene is now the third best Pinocchio movie of the year Congrats. Why does this work? But the It's good. It does not a Pinocchio movie make Well, even still if his point was like it's a really good scene. So you could have said why that all right That is true Popping didn't I need to know why the magical regenerating flowers can only magically regenerate in specific ways Let me tell you about trolls He's kind of got a point. Um Should jack not have been stopped here forever with how fast but I guess we assume phoenix fire is an actual counter to these things So I could just or maybe burning something down Well, yeah burning something in general is just going to completely destroy it It's not the same as chopping the head off a hydra. If you if you set the hydra on fire It's gone. I don't know that we need any reference the hydra was because they're magical Like the under film shows us that's how this works. That's all we need This is fine. Yeah, uh, yeah, I'm fine with where the flowers work You could you could use a magical flame thrower to get rid of them instead of just chopping them up. Yeah Yeah, yeah, maybe just fire It matches the behavior of actual plants too. Is this nothing or is this like incorrect? Why does this work for the chopping didn't I mean, yeah, I want to keep drawing attention to it's always He always I need to know why the magical regenerating regenerating flowers can only magically regenerate in specific ways You don't because if you need to know it's weird that he's yeah It's weird. They said that for magic because it's like, well, you don't know how they magically regenerate already You just it just is and so equally it just isn't when they set on fire Yeah Choppy it didn't work Hmm. I think the other one it was nothing to regenerate I think there's a decent level of intuition here with real plants and the magic element and Saying that he needs to know why it works this way I don't even want to reference anything outside of it like when you chop a plant down it can regrow But if you burn it down it doesn't I just feel like I just think that we can just take the movie For what it's doing, which is phoenix fire on these magical plants seems to well. Yeah, that's the other thing as well This is phoenix fire. This is probably some crazy magic fire Yeah, nothing really contradicts this. So it's not really a problem, but what does he deserve for this zero? Yeah, zero is just negative Because he's in is he incorrect or is he just I don't know. Is he just probing wrong? I don't know how to It's always a probe and then yeah, and then that's the sin I think it's a zero because he's not asserting that the fire shouldn't work. He's he's wondering why it does But he's not Yeah, but is it being a zero about it? Because it's still It's still a sin Oh I don't know. I can go for a zero or whatever. Fine. We shall go for a zero. We'll rescue him Fine. You're lucky. Take it from me. Never trust anyone Well, that's amazing and also impossible pulling phone Well, we don't see exactly how what she does but what it is is that he doesn't seem to care and notice He's so like he's just staring and listening to her Like I mean plus she relies on it being an impressive thing Uh, so like we don't get a full 360 view of her stealing it from him We don't know exactly how she did it and we don't know if how easy it is to Like do it in right in front of him because of the fact that he's so distracted just by listening to her Yeah Um Oh, what are we doing with it? I mean it's it's another instance of cartoon physics Yeah, I just I don't know that it necessarily is cartoon physics because of the fact that he's such an aloof character Because yeah, it would be such that he would have to have his Arms moved so she could get it through the holes Well, also she manages to do it in like five seconds, which couldn't happen, but it like who cares nanoseconds, but yeah um You'd yeah, you'd Well, then is it a point or is it not? I I think this this definitely stretches how aloof you could be if your body has to be moved In order to remove this from you because well, so it has to go through what it reminds me of possibly Is Joe you guys have seen the videos where people put their hand in a cup And they're like, oh frando help me get this cup off my hand I've got it stuck and then they like do some normal things the person is deliberately trying to keep the hand in They're just like pulling it. Okay. I was with and what the person does is they Deliberately pull the hand out of the cup right in front of them Put soap on the hand and then put the hand back in and say damn it That's not making any difference And there's so many videos of this where the person just doesn't notice That they've just done that and they're still trying to help them get the hand out Even though they just did that it's funny as fuck. I know the kind of thing you're I know the thing you're referring to But I think that the fact that this would be the subject's body And how much they would have to have it moved um And how he would be he's been kind of like watching her the whole time I think it's I think cinemasins is right This is too much. I'm inclined to believe he's right as well The way that I could envision this but it's not matching the timeline Would be like talking to someone and just sort of slowly taking their jumper off In a casual way and then pointing to it once they've done it being like I just stole your jumper You didn't even notice because you were talking to me There are people who do that with like other people's watches on stages and stuff where they like loosen it over time while distracting them But that's like the whole point is that that's a really subtle thing in order to move someone's Like both of their legs in order to get something off of them pull it over their head You know as it's being pulled over his head it literally blocks his eyes so It's a funny They're simping hard to make it exclusive. We're settling on it being a flaw. So Yeah I just you know, I think that I think it's it's a funny joke and I like it but it is a It is a it's quite a stretch to the point where I think that it would be You'd have to work harder to justify that. He's that oblivious Also sit a bit hard for the movie Well, we've given him valid sins on many things that people in chat have died watching us do I will say yeah, but this is correct So, yeah, I think this I think he gets a point for this We're giving it to him on a lot of things that we don't really care about But we have to acknowledge probably counts as flaws. So yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's all right So impossible pulling foam out of non foamy water and then using a dagger as scissors to cut the beard off An animal that shouldn't grow a beard I don't even know why he's talking about that. You can use a blade to shave That part. Yeah, that part's wrong. You could obviously yeah, you could use a blade to shave. We have these they're called The like Razors razor blades. It's literally a thing Um The the foam from the water Acting as shaving cream What about that all we've got is it's a magical place. That's that's it. It's magic water. I mean, look, it's purple It's definitely and the manifest. I don't know if it's impossible the manifestation of this river is peritos So that is true And then I mean you shouldn't be able to grow a beard, I guess But we've already Yeah He doesn't get the double tip So, um zero then or zero is where I'm at. Yeah, zero. Yeah, I'm giving this a zero Yeah, sure. Yeah fair, but we can't be conclusive Shouldn't grow a beard. Give us the map or else they come and get sick How convenient that everyone arrived here within a few seconds of each other But how did golly lock pops and two other barrels even get through the flowers and what was up with the river? Yeah So the bears would have just followed along the path that jack burned Um, you can say it's a very coincidental that they all get here at the same time. I guess. Yeah That's a bit of a I'm trying I suppose the bears wouldn't take long to recover and then they would have just followed jack It's not a huge stroke of luck. Yeah, it's not like a big coincidence. In fact, it kind of lines up It's I mean and it's inconvenient to the heroes. This is bad for them Well, that's why I switched it to coincidence because I assume that's what he would like to actually he's saying isn't it convenient Uh, that we all have everyone to end up for the drama of the film Yeah, sure Because Bremer he doesn't say he doesn't say it's convenient for the heroes that everyone arrived He just said it's convenient that everyone arrives because he's talking about just creating film now Yeah, well, it's convenient for I mean No, it depends on how you look at it. Well, arguably us it depends on what he would say It's convenient to the viewer because it's good for memes, but you know Like I said, it's sort of convenient for jack and it's sort of convenient for goldilocks and the three bears Because they both have the map here, but also another adversary here. So You know, it's a bit it's a boat. I think he's going for the script Like he's just saying it's a convenient drama piece But as I was saying more you think about it though, they knock down that hill And so the bears are like fucking hell and he's got all that magic and he's got all them people Let's just keep an eye on him because he's getting to the same place. We are and then they see like people getting killed by The flowers and maybe they stayed back a little bit Then he saw them burn it and move on and then they just followed like this is kind of what would happen, wouldn't it Yeah, yeah, which case the thing you would have to say is What are the odds of like jack finding them because goldilocks and three bears would be right behind them So like the timing isn't anything. It's just The jack found them. That's it. And is that possible? Yeah Like is that all right? That's yeah, exactly. So like shouldn't they then be behind them? It's like well, they just have to move around them any just if babies sense Can you picture what I'm saying? It's like, you know, if they represent a Jack is a they are b they're behind a and then they smell c is just off to a different direction So they start to move toward that jack circles around like you have this scenario There's no reason why this couldn't be exactly what honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's uh, um It's not that it's not so is it's I think it follows There's no reason to say that this is a coincidence really it's it's kind of what you should expect should happen next Hmm I'm thinking minus one because what what sins is saying is not that jack shouldn't have found them It's that jack and the bears shouldn't have arrived at the same time When I think it makes complete sense that they arrived at the same time. Yeah Agreed. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh-oh negative one. Oh Where are you at rags on this school? I'm at negative four I went negative three. I'm not sure if I don't know. We I think we just went from negative three to negative four Well, obviously I'm gonna say we just went from Look, we've we've been out of sync for a little bit. I think maybe I don't know Maybe um Flowers well, let's just succeed and see what happens with the river of relaxation Did it have an obstacle did the other groups just skip it somehow? Why would it have an obstacle the nature of this? Yeah, because remember the flowers aren't actually an obstacle It's just the way that you didn't have to the obstacle. You didn't even have to go down the river. There's gland Yeah Also, no one's touched the map since so it would stay there. It's not yeah Like it's it's almost as you spend it. It's inherently not an obstacle essentially compared to what the actual obstacles of this place can be Did the other groups just skip it somehow? If it was the hundred foot chasm of death, then like yeah, that might be an issue. So is that a negative one? I think well, this is all one. This is he hasn't done a win yet. So this is all in one Which would make it. Hmm. Well, what is up with the river of relaxation is nothing. Did it have an obstacle? Yeah, no There's probably this fucking question for that. Did the other groups just I think the nature of these questions is like, how is it? How do they possibly get here? It's like, well, they just floated down the river Well, so did the other groups just skip it somehow the answer is no because there's nothing to skip which yeah It's not an obstacle. They are moving through the region. They are moving through that region That I got one Well, and they could have traveled down the river. There's no I mean, I don't even understand this at all Yeah, but it's just questions. That's the thing. Yeah, well, we're just asking questions I think it's a negative one though for that last question. It's a negative one But that was all one point you understand. I get into a second encounter. So, yeah Harley Quinn suppositories I don't know what that means because it's a clown reference maybe I guess She puts confetti in her ass because it's a vaguely clown related. I don't know Is that a thing she does? I don't know. I have no idea. I'm not in any comic. I've read You just ain't reading the right comics Clearly not That's a zero. Yeah, it's a zero Oh, no, no No, you've just been zero Crimes by the three bears crime family Can we just talk for a second about how Goldilocks ended up here after breaking and entering the bear's house In the original fairy tale, they try to eat her and she runs away which makes sense But here apparently after they adopted her they all decided let's have this young woman be our crime syndicate later And what in the reverse Stockholm is going on here? Ah, yeah, what what is this observation? It's not the same storyline. Yeah, this is a departure and also she's demonstrated herself to be quite confident as a leader So it could be that she just naturally fell into that position anyway I mean, of course, we know what happened, which is that when they found it They were like, oh, look at her She could be part of the family and then can we keep him with them for years They even give you that flashback, don't they? Yeah, exactly So I don't even know what the nature of this is he's framing it like it's a negative But it's just the story that they're telling Like you know that the humans in your bed are free. You can just take them home Yeah, so what what does that make this then? What what is this? Is this just nothing? I'm more inclined to a negative one because it's it's yeah He's really pushing for this to be considered as a negative when the film has an explicit reference to it I mean, I say that as if the whole every scene with this family is an explicit reference to how it's a different story Yeah, I guess I guess his doom was bringing it up So is he sinning it because he's saying that this version of Goldilocks on the three bears is not the same as He's saying it doesn't make sense that you'd have a girl walk into a three bears house and not fucking get killed But the he's not appreciating that this is not their sapient bears Wait, is that because that's not the same as him saying that it's different to the original story Is he saying that Goldilocks should have been eaten alive or can we just talk for a second about how Goldilocks ended up here after breaking and entering a bears house in the original fairy tale They try to eat her and she runs away like he's trying to say like that's the reasonable result of that story But here it's like some kind of weird Stockholm syndrome Yeah, he says which makes sense, which means that yeah, he's saying that the bears should have eaten her It's not reverse Stockholm. She That the reverse Stockholm would be she doesn't want she doesn't consider this her real family And she's trying to get a different family. So the Stockholm thing is doubly strange as a reference And to answer what random was saying, I assume He's actually like the core of the criticism here if you read it the way that he said it is the It makes more sense that they would have eaten her much like in the original story Yes, if if that's what he's saying then I think I'm on board with minus one. Yes, I'm yeah Because that's just ridiculous Yeah The reverse Stockholm is going on here. I'm supposed to be a fearless hero a legend But without lies to spare I am Nothing although you could argue that in between the previous eight lives You were simply a hero with a cheat cuts. So at least you're not a cheater anymore You It's nothing. I guess nothing. Yeah Yeah, it's nothing burger. Good thing Fringy is BRB. So he doesn't have to cry at the amount of things The sins is not commented on in these scenes. Yeah, it's kind of strange. Yeah, you know, I almost did like a double take like oh Yeah, we're here. We skip that bit. Yeah Kind of glad because it means that he's not going to try and criticize it Yeah, like sins sins had things that he could have said because that scene is great But kind of glad that sins didn't Let's lie to Fringy when the priest say it was great And guests and did they all just walk there to this church that apparently thrives in the middle of the wilderness? Where is everyone's ride? We don't know if this is the middle of I mean It's probably just a sort of isolated church. What if everyone's ride is on the side of the building you can't see What if we did walk there? It's not that far like it's you can't pretty sure I've seen churches Not surrounded by other buildings in the middle of the desert before What if he didn't What if he's way after the celebration was canceled and he's just sitting there waiting and then he walks away, that's just What a no, this is so much. You know what maybe they did zero moving on But again, he's Couched it nice and safely in all the questions. So we're struggling to give him negative points for these very silly questions The middle of the wilderness where is everyone's ride not a big time crime syndicate love a big time crime family Isn't that right goldie referring to your employment situation and your co-workers as a family I don't care if they actually are family. That's still messed up. Don't do that I don't know man. I think there are times when that's appropriate. Especially if it's your actual family There's just people who do that. Yeah He's his commentary is you shouldn't do that. So I guess it's just zero Because it's a personal opinion that you shouldn't do that Okay See does not contain a willy-nilly silly old bear. So reference zero Did you run so far away? Did you get away sudden flock of seagulls references aside? I saw you leave and it could be best described as a slow moat. Well, he's way really far away from the building here It's maybe he ran maybe he ran Part here and also running is not literal, you know, yeah, it doesn't have to be literal speaking of autism There was no running involved. Sure human bridges hilarious, whatever But how do they work? How is the guy at the foot and even keeping his feet on the ledge? It's nothing for him to put his feet around and he's holding several hundred pounds Um, I'm this probably wouldn't work. I'm sure You know what, yeah, this isn't very you're right You know, I don't know if this passes the realistic smell test but the thing about it is If we're gonna give a point for that I feel like we should give him a lack of point for a negative point for the fact that he said like there's no running involved here It's like it could have been from there to here. So you know what I mean Yeah, like if yeah, if if there was something he was saying here that was in the same vein But correct, which is how I feel about this and he gets a plus one and surely gets a minus one for the other Oh He does seem like he wants to Hmm Either that or they both get zero Well in that case the energy is zero no matter what Yeah, I guess like yeah, I'm fine giving them both zero because yeah combine it zero it Yeah, I guess like she's holding on to something a rock or grass or I'm not even sure she would be able to do that Whatever she's holding on to you know, like this this thing is ridiculous, but it's hilarious And it's obviously symbolic of his character Guy at the foot and even keeping his feet on the ledge It's nothing for him to hook his feet around and he's holding several hundred pounds. We were doing it from below We can't see No, I never had much as a kid Just loving parents and stability in a mansion millennials Zero uh Yeah, I guess so He just knows him there's like weird political and social Jokes does me just like throwing him in every now and then, huh? Indeed which is funny sure, but also kind of steals the ability of the movie to have any I guess he hates lord of the rings. Oh my god. He is collapsing off of the negative 17 years homer right now There's a bear make porridge in the woods of varying temperatures Yeah, so he's saying This is at least a negative one I was gonna like my thoughts were like he's clearly a fan of um No, Jimny cricket so that what he's doing here He's he's probably gonna try and find a way to take a sin off because of how funny this was And it's like no he's instead gonna point out that there's no nuance to jack Horner Well, not only is there no he's he's gonna point that out He's gonna say that there's an indictment on the film is it and in its entirety because the villain of the film Has no nuance like almost ignoring all of the other antagonists in the film Can I just say? I would like to submit a negative two Under the pretense of him now also asserting children's movies don't have nuance. Yes, you're right. I agree I know that Smelled like a negative two the nose doesn't lie. Yeah, it is a spectacular error Yes, this is a big one. Yeah, I agree with that negative two. I knew I smelled what a peepo suss is This actually rises to that level because there's many dimensions wrong Well, wait, we can attribute each we can attribute each negative one to a thing So to be as hyper autistic as possible He's got it steals the ability of the movie to have any kind of nuance about its central villain There's like three things wrong that he said there. That's fair. Yeah, that's a lot of things wrong with that And then the children's movie thing I so We went from at least a negative one to it's definitely a negative two now The pondering if it's a negative seven and a peepo suss Okay, negative a negative two and a peepo suss is the worst that you can get under Yeah I'd be I'd be tempted to give it to him. This is a spectacular They like Yeah, this is and honestly This is cinemasense. He should be operating Easily over the level of being able to you know, like understand this and see it Yeah, this would be operating at a higher standard Yeah, there is a level of that right if you're a movie guy, you should not have the perspective of like, oh, well Yeah, I mean children's movies have no nuance or anything like that Um, I mean, there's even the points to which I sometimes wonder if it's like I don't even like I sometimes kind of don't like characterizing it as a children's film because I feel like it's like kind of misses the point Right, it's a it's a film that is also for children, but it's really an all-ages film. That's what a lot of these films are Yeah, unsweet tea isn't a children's beverage It's like it's the most accessible that a film can be But it's not so accessible that it precludes Adults from being part of the equation in terms of it. It's it's like a yeah, like a family Blues clues a children's show, but that would probably be something more like what you would call that Whereas of course in this case I mean as evidenced by the fact that look at how much adults have pulled from this film, you know I do believe that blues clues also steals the ability to have any kind of nuance about its central villain Which is of course So I think that we can I'm happy with the two and a peepo sauce two and a peepo sauce. Yeah, yeah do it. We got two of those in in one episode Yeah, nice Nice someone said so now this movie is for kids because of the nuance word at muller one hour ago quote This is not a kids movie. Did I say that? No, we never said it's a kids movie We don't like no what we were probably doing is saying that uh the person this probably wins Characterized characterised it as a kids movie. So we probably said well if it's a kids movie then So we were trying to operate based on it Yeah, to give you a cheat code on what we believe about kids movies versus adult movies is usually just you don't have the graphic content or But even like themes don't go too Complicated, but even then you can still have them present as long as there's something for the kids to thoroughly enjoy on the surface Or even to some level of depth Basically treat kids movies with no less respect and autistic integrity than you would an adult movie You would kids movies like it's meant for your children I would usually if ever it's a term that I use with a kids like kids movie Usually the only reason that that term exists is to describe that it is a film that is made with the understanding That a sizable portion of the people who are watching it are going to be children Compared to I guess you would describe more average film that has kind of like a broad askew of the kinds of people are going to be watching it People use it to denigrate movies by say, oh, it's really annoying. It's a kids movie So, you know, it doesn't need to be good Which is like such a bizarre and stupid As a kids movie it needs to be good because those are formative stuff I think the kids are going to be and then of course, I mean, you know I'm a broken record on this but Pixar during its golden age was like cranking out Banger after banger, you know, like these are some excellent films um Like excellent films that when it was like, oh, it's a kids movie, you know, it's never going to be like that good I was like, hmm It's kind of weird It feels like there was a time when kids movies were like consistently excellent if you want to use that term You know, like the disney's renaissance era early Pixar I made a comment about psychoanalyzing a kids movie a molecule be cringe. That's what happened lull. That is cringe Yeah, I was cringe. I recommend against cringe Secondly people say like isn't he asking the question though? It's like he is asking the question and then the sin completes Like it's like am I actually going to send them for this and it's like well, yes by the ding So like this is completely he is considering this This is consistent the consistent is we treat these movies as movies in the same way that you treat any movie Yeah, that it's the same metrics for quality And then it's it's ridiculous to be like, oh it's for kids. So like it doesn't need to be good or anything That's just stupid Man, I'm gonna pull out the the other card. Maybe maybe kids movies deserve more psychoanalyzation than adult ones do I would agree with that. I mean rags pointed out, right? Like it's important because these are formative art experiences This is what you're watching, right? This is like your first exposure to film And it's a lot of the amount of people around the world who say like I control what my children see because I don't want them to be influenced by like some crazy nonsense and things So yeah, you need to make sure then, don't you? Yeah, you should you should be in control to a degree of what your Kids see and you want them to see good stuff. You want to see the stuff that's meaningful You want to give them I mean you should give them kind of high expectations and standards for media and in doing that You know, hopefully it will help their development. I don't know. It's just weird because A lot of the films that people point to as like, ah, these are excellent, you know Excellent kids movies would be the films that are making efforts to try and push towards more Being particularly weighty by weight by way of their themes, you know stuff like the iron giant or the incredible lion king And let's let's be honest here like no one fucking uses this excuse when it's like food You know, like oh, this is really shitty food, but it's for it, but it's for kids So it's okay. You know, all the baby formula is spoiled and there may be some people out there who are like Whatever you could destroy a digest Kids away from yeah This idea that as a child You're not gonna understand or appreciate the difference between a really great film and a really bad movie But I don't know man. That wasn't the case for me. I don't feel I feel like I definitely had favorites that have remained favorites Going into adulthood for reasons that are qualitative not just like oh, yeah, I like that one You know, I still love lion king. So love old Pixar films Yeah, exactly like you don't don't give your kids films and tv that they're gonna outgrow give them films and tv that they're Going to find new appreciation for as they get older and they return to them Yep, and throw some goofy shit in there with my guess as well. I agree I think in buck fotholes, he makes a good point take care of your kids show them good shit with good lessons And oh, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's very important. Yeah, it's them from buck fotholes I I really do feel like I need to be taking advice from someone called buck fotholes You should I do too. I think I should he speaks wise ways If you see a fothole, you should just you know, just just buck it after that Dismal display. What is he at for you? Well, the score that I have for him is he is now at a negative seven Pippo sass damn. Oh, oh this is collapsing. He is not catching up like the t1000 Unfortunately, yeah, his first 20 seconds were the strongest unfortunate right now We have skipped to the end of t2 where sarah connor is blasting at him with the shotgun So we are we're getting real close to our arnie rolling Blowing him up with the grenade launcher We got real close to that I was about to say yeah John connor getting killed at the beginning of dark fate is negative two people sass Any kind of let's carry on Once about its central villain am I sending a children's movie for not having nuance? Does a bear make porridge in the woods of varying temperatures? No, just a placeholder name, you know a workshopper, okay? This is a movie where cats fight with swords bears raise a human girl And the villain has a cricket on his shoulder But perrito knowing what workshopping means is where I'm drawing the lawn Why why? That's not even unreasonable like I it like it's a joke to call Yeah, like I I get the the the template of that joke But why would you waste it on perrito knowing that word? That's a normal word. Why wouldn't he know that word? He's not perrito. There are workshops people workshop things in this universe. He you know, that's carito is bilingual Yeah, yeah That's right What a weird relatively modern slang in this universe anyway, so it's not really a contradiction I I feel like that's a negative one I I feel like the idea that that's ridiculous that he knows that word is completely unfounded and doesn't at all Feel there's nothing. Yeah Nothing would imply that he wouldn't just hadn't I mean if he said If he said like swag or something then I could maybe understand the point Oh, yeah, if he said like no cap for real for real Yeah, yeah, then absolutely. Yeah, I totally agree But it's at the end word, you know, that would be something. Oh, yeah, that would be that would Um, uh, well, he would say negro, so that's that is true. That's true, but um Honestly, that's that's an I think it's a negative one for that. I don't like it Well, considering earlier you were very clear that you're the smash I'm the grab so you have no one to blame but yourself little miss should have grabbed better I mean That is not true, but the the but she's pissed off. Well, she's also just distracted by having everything Kind of actually needs and wants, you know She's frustrated but Is he's saying it just as a sort of like ha ha that's that's something that's true Or is he saying it's like this is criticism of her characterization That's the cinemasons formula though. It's like, you know, it's whichever one you want it to be Depending on how much you like or dislike the film Yeah, he's highlighting it as a character inconsistency, but it makes sense for her to be behaving inconsistently And so someone's saying I think zero I think I'm at a zero. I Also, she can blame him for falling asleep on the job. I mean That was a failing on his part When he should be guarding the you know, she's asking to go to the map and he agreed. Sure Yeah, so I think she can blame him Well, we're also at the point of just a map and he fell asleep. He's wrong, but what does that mean? Because it because the nature in which he's delivered this statement Yeah I don't know. I'm kind of I think I'm at a zero on this one. This is Zero as well It's a zero because yeah, sorry go on Someone's saying in chat that it's weird that soft pause doesn't believe parito knows the word workshopping What did we all collectively misunderstand the sin? Because if so that might save him a point Maybe no because why would she even think that? We were going to fight the swords bears raise a human girl and the villain has a cricket on his shoulder But parito knowing what workshopping means is where I'm drawing the lawn. Okay. You were wrong chatter. Um, wait Hold on. What was the clip though? I see. Yeah, what did parito say? Origin the woods of varying temperatures Hold your name, you know, I'll workshop it. Okay. This is a movie where a cat's fight. No, then yeah, you're wrong Well, just to make sure they're wrong based on this set of information But if there was a moment where she says workshop, how do you like I missed it completely like maybe but uh It's not in this clip. No, I don't remember that at all because this was them talking about the uh The name team friendship and he was just like they said it sucked and he's like a workshop and that was it Yeah, that's why I wanted to double check because of the comment This just has me thinking like did I totally misread that I just want to be fair and thorough I'm the grab so if you have no one to blame but yourself little miss should have grabbed better This ridiculousness I get that wire work is a valuable part of the history of filmmaking But just because you edit out the wires digitally doesn't mean I don't know they were there It's a fun joke zero, but it's a it's a funny joke. It's just oh, yeah Yeah, I like He always rescue me when I'm kidnapped which happens a lot it happened one other time Okay I mean if it happens twice in quick succession and it's something that important Like if someone tried to murder you and they they failed and then later on that day someone else tried to murder you And you were like gosh People try to murder me a lot. You know, I'd be like, yeah, I'd see You have a hyper you know Most of me thrown into a river and would that count as being napped? I was thinking that too that might be that would be three times in your life where you've been kidnapped Which is probably over the average Yeah, so He doesn't consider that to be kidnapping though Yeah, remember that was just a fun story about his life Oh, I suppose so. Yeah, but even then being kidnapped twice in one day. Yeah I think that still counts as happening a lot. Um because a lot is relative remember Right So I would say it's okay for him to think that being kidnapped twice in one day is happening a lot Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right Hmm. So what does that mean? I'm not sure for instance, if you if you got in a car crash Right, and you're like, oh my gosh a car crash I can't believe it and then you went home got your other car And then as you were leaving the parking lot someone else hit you with a car and your friend asks Why are you getting in accidents all the time? You know, it's like not literally all the time But it happens Do we maybe remove the process? What are you thinking? Um, I'm gonna remove this Well, he's critical of the fact that he's saying it happens a lot when it doesn't happen A lot meaning more than two, but like rags just said I feel like if I was kidnapped twice in a row I could easily say that and then if some fucker said Twice isn't a lot. I'd be like Oh, have you say so buddy? I mean it just feels like it is a lot actually what it's kidnapping I feel like on the scale of kidnapping. Yeah is such that because Yeah, once is a lot Yeah, because it doesn't happen to the average person. It's already you're already a statistical anomaly if it happens once Now it happened twice in quick succession on the same day is like, yeah, all right something Yeah, you're just really I I don't know maybe you just got that kind of face, you know Hmm and so um, I It's rescue me when I'm kidnapped which happens a lot. It happened one other time. Oh He's not wrong like like did it happen one of the time I just think it's a zero I guess Yeah, I I'm having to give it a zero like but again, but it's there's an implication there, which is it doesn't happen a lot It's it's a very strong implication Zero argument is head canon when you speculate on why a person says a thing that's in line with their character It's not head canon to that point in a negative sense. It is just valid Why wouldn't it be otherwise you're just gonna like We have to interpret in a way that it doesn't make sense like well No, we we would always want to opt for trying to find anything that does make sense first That's just how continuity with anything This is like the problem with a really depressing world building if this was getting kidnapped twice was not a lot in this world You know, hold on people worked for ages to just try and come up with any way to make it make sense What she did with poh which couldn't There's loads of like head canon to try and explain like what if there's a mola board No, she didn't trust him Which wasn't true She doesn't like him. It's like not true. There was a mola on board and she thought he was it It's not true. You just hate women telling men what to do Which is true, but that has nothing to do with my argument. So Okay, here we go. It was funny because if there were a mola on board Which could be nailed in like one throwaway line. You probably do actually fix A lot of it in that she but then again, she liked him and there's other I'm not even gonna get into it those conversations were extensive and the the idea is just that you've Exhausted all avenues of possible explanation. Meanwhile. Why does a character say I've been kidnapped a lot after being kidnapped two times? So, I mean because that probably feels like a lot and it yes, that's quite abnormal. Yeah, I could see someone saying that You're all a bunch of knuckle dragging honey scrounging grub Oafish Nugget How is he getting away with playing so much of it? I don't know how I guess This is gonna have to be the bleep. It's gonna have to get a copyright. It's gonna the whole thing because This is gonna be yeah And you're snooter calling someone on honey scrounger Wow, okay, nothing You have become a scaredy cat. What's your car in woosy mood? Woos was derived from woosy which was derived as a less vulgar way of calling someone a pussy So i'm not sure that changes in the direction you think it is. I do Well, no it's going from it's cat to uh, yeah in the colloquial meaning of the word which means cal His name isn't pussy. Yeah, you can't use the degradation of evolution of words and meanings and then ignore Yeah, like all the etymology Yeah, like come on That would have made for me to have the meaning of words push refers to him being a cat not him being peace alarmist Yeah, zero Or in some way vaginal which I don't see myself Unshavin maybe So, uh, is that a zero? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a zero. I'm just I think I think so. I'm having a hard time at this point I'll be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're we're at fumes level, but we're nearly there. Yeah Do you love the smell of fear? Since fear itself does not have a distinctive odor I think what you need to say well for fuck's sake you love the smell of the body's reactions from someone or something That fears you which would most likely be a mix of sweat urine and feces I guess we like what we like, but i'm still judging you a little Autistic thing i've ever heard in my life. Yeah. Oh come on. We've had a few things to challenge that Getting a family that's what a proper family. What are you trying to give this character nuance? Just let her be an irredeemable villain. This is a children's movie for fuck's sake Okay, so Now he's trying to Is it running the backwards of it? Oh She wasn't like one dimensional to begin with though. She was never yeah That's hilarious. It's like why are you riding her with more dimensions? Brought her less well. This is This movie to be actively worse and less interesting I'm about to say something that's going to trigger the hell out of you. I believe this is a joke and he means the opposite Oh You're right. Well, listen to it again and have that in mind He's being sarcastic That's what a proper family. What are you trying to give this character nuance? Just let her be an irredeemable villain Oh Yeah, this solidifies the jack horn of stuff because he's now saying see this is how you do it. You don't do it like jack Ah, right. I see so does that mean that we need to reevaluate the nature of the wrong that we gave him for jack? No, the jack one stands. No, I think this yeah, but when he says you've made jack one dimensional Which is lame and yes, I'm asking for nuance in a children's movie Which I still find you know repulsive as a comic because it makes no sense You have nuance you do you can equally have Non-nuanced and nuanced characters in children's and there's no there's no like oh wow a nuanced character in a child's movie. Okay, but then he's now Saying see she's the counter example to jack corner. This is how you do it This is how you should do it and it's cool that it's done But he's presented in a way like oh, yes, we wouldn't want nuance Would we in our children's movie as if like that's the position that someone else might hold I see Okay, because he's apparently against having one-dimensional villains in kids movies, which I find interesting is he against one-dimensional villains You must be against him in adult movies Like I said, lord of the rings is I guess that's uh, he doesn't like that or uh, maybe This is like a double down on a bad take you already had. Well, no now i'm now i'm wondering So so the so the initial because remember I feel the nature of the people sus Which the the whole idea that he didn't like the the notion that dealing with the children's film and like nuance that that was something That wouldn't be oh, let me be very specific in what i'm criticizing with that line when he says nuanced am I criticizing it for not having nuance in a kids movie? Yes, what he's saying is You guys are probably surprised at the fact that i'm saying There should be more nuance in this character when he's in a kids movie But in reality There should be nuance in kids movies and I don't like the notion that it's not And the the problem of course is the Why would why would you ever have been in that slot anyway? There's so many kids movies that are known for nuanced characters or interesting ideas Why have you even started from the position of yeah, I want nuance in my kids movie Yeah, the implication being that they're typically isn't even though. Yes, which is You want to you want to run through the list of definitely comes in. Yeah I see well, so what's the nature of uh, so what what would this one then? So with this one as far as I can tell he is saying It's good that she's got extra dimensions But like I said, I feel like she had extra dimensions well before this moment We've we've done all the nostalgic pines plays And he's not being insightful as to what those extra dimensions are or anything about it And he's just kind of just noticing something that's pretty clear Like I said, I feel like we've had plenty of uh signposts for this before this scene anyway I mean, yeah, we have seen them in the the cabin cabin Asking if she's gonna wish for things like that I feel like it's a zero then That's a lot of people pointing out then why isn't the sin it's because his formula is bizarre Well, it's as bizarre as wins where there's like the sin counter or the win counter is more so just comment counter He could have removed a sin though But then as part of the sarcasm, I don't well So and now what you're encountering is that it just never makes any fucking sense There's nothing consistent about the system. Yeah, which hence why it's difficult for us to have a consistent system, but we're trying I see people say like you're not very consistent. It's like you're difficult. This is like the tone is constantly changing The fact that everybody here like almost interpreted this as literal But now you have to be like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait Like he's he's he's you have to consider the past comments and the The the nature of which he's delivered this and whether or not he's sending it for however many or whatever Is he so inconsistent? You're right that it's tough to I can't bring him down A well written character when they say something like this. I'm like, oh, I know what you oh, okay That's but he him it's like, oh, I don't know if you're just like being a joke or you're retarded or what? Well, it's just the inconsistency is baked into the formula such that he can evade any and all criticism because if he's wrong It's a joke if he's right then it's astute Observations it's a nice convenient world where he's always right which is still Less convenient than wins which is he can do no wrong because he's being positive because he's being positive Yeah, like cinema sins has to work a little bit harder Which is hilarious. They both got really big shields, but wins is one is way better than sins is one Yeah, all right, so is what's this a zero? Uh Yeah I might have given it to people sus because the fact that he apparently didn't notice that she had new ones before this scene Yeah, but that would make it negative one Well, that's true because he is on a sus So he's on a I mean that that never determines whether or not I give someone a sus No, no, I'm just pointing out that just so that we all remember. That's uh, I'd be okay with a sus I'd be okay with a sus. I am sus on this one I'm okay as well because you're you're recognizing these things way too late Yeah, yeah, which implies that you've just Suss well and judging from where we are in the movie and where we are in the timeline I think we're not getting any he is really gonna like end credits too long ding and then videos over Problem, so does he get a sus for this? Yes, I think so So a negative So what the heck is the people sus All right It's a it's a it's an advanced sus is essentially out point five. Yes. Yeah, it's a negative way of life sort of it's like It's like a yellow flag that uh, that you know Compiles If you do it again, it's advantage in dmv Exactly, I would also like to point out in chat someone has said remember when rags correctly asserted that sharks have no Bones and the chat went apeshit good times. Yes. I do remember that interesting I was already googling at that point so I didn't see what they'd said. I'm sorry rags No, it's it. No, it's okay. It's just something that I knew because I knew when you said I was like sharks I believe are special and I was like are they mammals and I was like no no I'm pretty sure they're not mammals, but that's like what would they be Well, because there's this weird classifications of some stuff whales are a mammal, right? Yeah, yeah And so that's why like Yeah, I was just like I need to check and then I was like, oh, yeah, they are the are fishies. They are cute little fish I have gills Pumpback whales are the vigilantes of the sea. They will save people from orcas and other sea life. It's pretty cool Whales are the buses of the water That's true. Yeah monster certainly is Um, all right. Let's be an irredeemable villain. This is a children's movie for sake kitty grabs the map in one hand And holds puss at sword point with the other and somehow when we see the map in her hands It's already completely scrolled up. I can't even keep my yoga mat scrolled up with both hands a leg and my chin working in unison Yeah, I do yoga You almost like ruined it with making so many jokes. I was like, yeah, that's true. You got it All right, I do feel his yoga mat pain though. I do feel his yoga mat pain though. I do feel his yoga mat pain Characters as a superhero and they just jump down about a hundred feet to solid ground one of them landed in the classic superhero landing pose That's why she's in the baker's dozen. Yeah How fair is this I can't remember like what the nature of this situation isn't full. Um, Do you have like a white shot? Decently far from the rim Yeah, that jumped pretty far as a superhero and they just jumped down Yeah, and that I mean that doesn't make any sense at all because jack literally like walked across a cliff gap With four people's worth which probably just jumped it Yeah, it's minor because it's yeah But that is yeah, that's true. That's true. I smell a comeback for the record Anybody who's listed as being like you think the movie's bad because of this. We're like Yes, we do About a hundred feet to solid ground one of them landed in the classic superhero landing pose These are vanilla ass human beings for f***'s sake Saying your pew-pews out loud these two Zero no Giant bears can't pull him back but goldie with her stick alone can do the trick It's not her with her stick alone. It's her and the other two Thing yeah, it's a little bit more her plus the bears is stronger than just the bears She's got well, it's a question of leverage. We might have to enter autism again Oh Let me ask the point of the first thing that stick with that chain that should be slipping off No, it's pressed against the skull hard enough that he's got No, the stick part the sticky part on the chain Well, so is the stick going to be able to hold the weight of a bear or is it going to break? I feel like that made out of I think it should just should it not just slip off. Isn't that the main thing I I'm not talking about the chain around his head by the way chain on the stick. Yeah Yeah, I because there was an upward motion being applied and there is a downward slope to the right end of her stick That but the left part of it. You see how that would just yeah Yeah, the left part of it would come off But I think the right part of it would still be good and if it was about to slip off I think she's dexterous enough with it to where it wouldn't she'd be just readjust the angle at which he's holding it So is the stick able to bear the weight? I assume it was uses it as a weapon. So I presume it's a pretty good. I think if you went frame by frame This would look like it's absolutely nonsense the other way that it grabs the chain It is strange look how it's connected on the left for no reason. Yeah Yeah, she should have like twisted it or something, you know, yeah stuck it on and twisted it Um, so you got that bear the weird because she I could totally believe she could do that She's been shown to be extremely skilled with his sticks, but the way that they chose to do it. It just I don't want to say it's a little lazy, but I'm not good at explaining this kind of physics But to get to his point instead of just the ones we were kind of throwing on there I don't know that anything significantly changes By adding her to the to the equation in terms of overall leverage for baby Because they're both off the ground the mum and her is it part of Is it part of the magic of the wish being like this is what your wish, you know, this would be what you would have wished for or I don't know about that You know, I heard doing it with both of them. That was what they needed. That was sufficient Yeah, it's like symbolically it completely lines up logistically. It's like Maybe yeah, I feel like it should have been a reach thing I feel like it should have been about reach not about like pulling strength But it's sort of portrayed that she's the kind of the the thing that tips it to their side pretty much Because he says he says here a portrayal issue. It's not a like I think it's an issue in just how they portrayed it if anything Yeah, because you could you could try and get away with actually making it magic based as the the wall starts to release him when she gets him Or something To let us know why would he do that though? Well, why does it have any particular rules? We could argue that the the wishing star is yeah, there's there's a way you can you can Work it. Yeah, but or they could have just made it about like reach. She needs to be there so that they could physically reach Yeah, that would have been another solution But the way that it's portrayed It feels especially because there's a bit of a there is a significant pull on him And the the way they are now she is pulling him onto the mum And that's all that's happening here Like in terms of leverage enough and that yeah and that Upward lift it all that is upward is able to keep her off the ground mum of air off the ground and she big Yes, yeah, see I think there's a couple ways you can prove this doesn't make any sense Yeah, yeah, it's a poorly executed thing. I mean the concept is solid but the well thematically in terms of Thematically, it's right on point. So yeah, those are too many responses have been because magic in a film with magic There are several things that get accounted for by magic. I'm afraid that's just how that works. That's right. Sorry So fucking force is magic. Okay, it's magical thing That counts for many things it explains a hell of a lot in Star Wars now There are times where magic just can't explain the thing and I I do believe this is a moment where I don't think we have Sufficient references to say that magic is the reason this works Um and so yeah, I think you get up you get some point Grudgingly yes, because I really like this moment. I love the moment being begrudgingly I think it's a great moment. It could just use some tweak in to make it perfect Yep needs a tweak The scene doesn't need to make physical sense or doesn't make physical sense. Okay. I thought he said doesn't need to Sitting on mama's neck that movement is all traps delts and tries baby goalie locks must be ripped, bro I'm trying to look at the stick there She's jammed it into the one of his trinkets at that point. So and it's through one of the chains. Yeah, so that that works better Yeah, uh, yes, that's a lot better Well, that that's only applying for just how the the stick connects the chain Which was not the major problem. It's not even the one he is Wait, sorry, what would he just what did you just say anyway? She said Oh, that was a part of it Yeah, that movement is all traps delts and tries baby goalie locks must be ripped, bro What have you got for this one sims goalie and the bears are still there Why aren't they still trying to get the map away from puss and if you say they had to change their Well, she's the one that's motivated to get it for her wish and that this is the big moment Where she made her choice she left the wish behind for them and now as we find out as the movie goes on She's not as invested in actually getting that wish Yep That's just yeah, that's just the story at that point. So yeah, also, they're just a physical distance Yeah, when he's saying what they're getting the map, it's like, well, I'm afraid you don't understand the story, I guess I mean, I I think that's the only argument you need is that she's at this point no longer invested in completely in the wish Yeah, yeah, I think given that she destroys it. She helps them destroy it with no hesitation And so Is that a negative one? That's it. I think that's a negative. I think so Incorrect read of the characters So help me. I'll hug you but not a fun hug It will be the hug where you feel like your insides are about to pop out and rise you think I'm releasing you I will strike your nose with my forehead and you will be covered Get it and less Unless potentially what he's appealing to is that the bears may Want to have it I think Yeah, if if what you need to account for that is the one she brings them all down Yeah, they're only doing it for her. Um, yeah, they're only doing it for her. They weren't interested Maybe you're gonna argue for baby But even then maybe Well, he's also just had a near death experience Yeah, he was clearly quite worried. He was almost crying So covered in blood and regrets. What can I say? I'm a hugger I'm not trying to tell you how to do your death thing or anything But efficiency lies wouldn't be smarter to go ahead and calm all the cat heads into the blade at the beginning And then mark them off as each life dies You're just creating more work for yourself on the back end by waiting to do both at the same time That's a zero because he could fucking copy however he wants Yeah, I don't listen. I don't tell death how to do his fucking job Yeah The matter it probably I don't even know that they carved it. He might just fucking, you know, he's death. So yeah Life's flashing before your eyes No Just one liar that flash started with you as a baby and then went to this last life stuff with kitty and perita That's at least two of your lives stop focusing on badass comeback lines. I just learned to tell the truth Also, that's not getting anything. That's not getting shit No way Absolutely not. He's not getting That's ridiculous. There's no point there. That's a zero He was a baby when it flashed back Fringy He was I know he was But yeah, he ain't yet mad I feel that you've become very defensive because you feel there might actually be some validity to the point he just made Well, what do you mean the validity of the point that at the beginning That at the beginning it started with his life But then as it went on it shifted to the life that he had And that was the absolute this might be the height of nitpickery, but I think it might slip in You know what you you could do it, but I protest We all For test because this is turbo Like I just said the fact that you immediately were like no no no I just is this a case of I don't know if I have the strength to do it Yeah, because it it's sort of like it it symbolizes how you know when he was born He was alone and but then it started flashing to the other people in his life You know Oh, look, it's true because it started with him as It's the way out of this on how super literal Puss in boots is being within that moment whether or not he's talking about the life that matters to him at that moment Or he's literally so yeah It might be the case where his lives to him are continuously a life a single one and from his own perspective So The life of being provided the boots by his his mom is a part of all of his Lives like that's like the like an origin flash At the foundational memory. This is what I mean by the height of nitpicking Yeah, we would need let's see and and it's just lying Is he lying to death because that's what he's saying. All right. He's saying he's lying, but that's not the case, is it? Maybe he turns back into a baby when he dies and then he grows up immediately Shall we see what chat vote for? I you know it works chat zero or plus one. Yeah, you can do that sure If you believe that cinema sins is fair He gets a plus one if you think that it is not a fair criticism then he gets a zero I didn't make a poll. I was actually just going to eyeball it, but I should have made a poll because this one's Here I go making a poll All right, yeah bringing must be just Shaking shivering in his booties right now. No, I mean if they make that cool and that's that choice It just doesn't change anything though. It doesn't do from my perspective does it? His whole world could be destroyed and just be a moments for now The problem is that when you set it up like that, there'll be people who agree with me, but then they'll vote one anyway Maybe or maybe they'll want to meme with you and vote the other way. Who knows? Yeah, they might be on your side But you wouldn't want to be me me One zero look at this binary shit crazy Yeah All right get voting I'm not voting in this one I'm just gonna I think yeah, I think I'm just gonna relinquish my responsibilities in chat. They know it works You can't say the result unless you vote, right? Oh, well, this is well, you can see the result no matter what I think, can't you? What can you well? One it's done, right? You can choose to just not go anyway, but you could also just vote and not Let's say that you did Here pauler if you vote for one, I'll vote for the other so we cancel out. Okay um That way we can see it. I mean in the scheme of you like, you know 400 500 votes. It's not gonna make a difference is it? I I'm trying to be fair here Fine, I'll go one you go zero Okay, sure Yeah, I realized that I always get to see the results anyway I guess because I'm the host of the poll, but I'm trying to figure out how I vote with it Even when I'm host, but on I don't know it's oh wow. It's now or It is narrow, but they're gonna decide it. I think we should have uh, something of a cutoff. Um, how long should we give them? Should we leave it while we should we wait until the end of the video? Maybe this will be the tiebreaker. Maybe he can squeeze a lot of points in between now and then and this could be the tiebreaker Just leave it up. Yeah, just leave it up. We'll see No Just one liar that flash started with you as a baby And then went to this last life stuff with kitty and perita That's at least two of your lives. Stop focusing on badass comeback lines. I just learned to tell the truth Also, the lesson here appears to be if you have the chance to save your life that involves no fighting Throw that possibility out the window and go ahead and have an unnecessary fight. Yeah, that sounds like a great lesson Finding this always the answer kids. Oh my god. Where was he gonna go? He can't leave. I also just Oh He has to face his mortality This is on the level of um, so lord rings when a dark lord is going to take over the world The answer is to what just kill everything that sounds stupid. Oh god Oh Mine is Take Two doesn't go with intensity. It has to go with frequency, right? Uh Well, so so he's missed that he has to he has to face death literally he has to fight him And also he's symbolically overcoming him. Yeah by confronting overcoming his fear And instead of doing what he's done each and every time which is run which hasn't which is only delayed this fight It's not what it means Like it doesn't mean that if if you're in a position where he's he's presented this as though the film's trying to tell you That if there's a bar fight happening With like intense violence in the doors right there you could run but no you should face death. You're like, no, that's not even What's happening? This is an unnecessary fight Oh, wait a minute. No, isn't he say is he suggesting that pus could have picked up the wish and wish to have all these lives back What he's saying is why not go with the uh, the you know, well how death describes like the cow's way out sort of thing Yeah, why not? Death would just keep following him them. I believe that is the case. Yeah, because He would just cut all of those lives down himself at this point as opposed to waiting for him to waste them I don't even see why not but I don't know this is getting to a point. I was just he's taken it so literally That like pus has the chance to escape with a wish But instead he chooses to throw that away and risk his life is like that's a horrible lesson Like okay, that's not the lesson though. Is it not? That's what I mean. It it portrayed like that is a horrendous misunderstanding of the point of the film That might be mine is too That's what that's what I mean Spectacular like it's a spectacular misunderstanding of the film You've got the literal interpretation the symbolic interpretation and then you've got the fact that it's a bad lesson for kids That that's minus two and a people says no That's what I know I'm I'm close to I'm close to being so a minus. Yeah, this is so important for our protagonist This isn't just like underestimating a side character or Like maybe a secondary or tertiary theme or concept This is like This is his read his read is the lesson here appears to be if you have the Chance to save your life that involves no fighting throw that away and then have an unnecessary fight It is like you have you have missed the point to a degree that's staggering the wall of fire is clearly As he is literally surrounded by a wall of fire with death right I think they could have just made the wish make death go away. So there film's broken He could wish that there is no death anywhere I just have enough time to do that before death kills him. Well, the thing about it is Death is inviting him to use it because he believes that's who this character is Yeah, which is which ties into what death is here for if if if puss did what cinema sins wanted him to do He would be dead. He would be dead this day death would have killed him That's what would have happened. That's what I mean like I'm happy to let you guys go for a for a negative two sauce. I'm I'm actually okay with it Yeah, I think It's too important to the protagonist and the theme of his whole journey. Yeah. Yeah This is like saying why didn't Luke kill Vader? This is ridiculous. It's like back. It it's yeah It's like wins and sins fumbled this scene didn't they Well, it's just that wins crazy Too huge movie youtube channels and they both fucked it up Yeah, which again is crazy considering that I feel like everybody got it. You know what I mean All of the normal moviegoers understood it but the movie review guys like People aren't here for insight. They're just here for light entertainment in these videos and that sucks Like space to be able to like sort of communicate cool film concepts to normies because that's who watches this crap Uh, yeah, but again, it's just I the normie filmgoer understands the film better Like the it's not like a complicated read. It's what the film is about fundamentally in a way that's like impossible to miss I don't know like how was how was this or is is this another case? Is he memeing is he fucking around here? Is this a meme? No fighting throw that possibility out the window and go ahead and have an unnecessary fight Yeah, that sounds like a great lesson fighting. There's always the answer kids. I don't think that's a meme. No I think the most you could say is he's willfully misinterpreting it to make it funny Yes, oh, but that's because of how badly he's misinterpreting it in a way that's worse If he if he deliberately misunderstands possibly the most important scene in the film because it's funny then I mean if that's not a minus two the people sus then what is Like think of the kids that watch this channel and think that this is how you criticize film And they see this and go and they think that this is the only read you should have on this because cinemas in set Yeah, it's I'm comfortable with two and people Yeah, I'm good with two and people too Especially when when he's so ambiguous and squirrely with his system. I think a lot of people might be like, yeah This is the read. Yeah, this is where the film fucked up Yep two people sus. All right Figured up. I know I can never defeat you level maybe so but you would have a much better shot at defeating him If you didn't give him back his weapon every time it Oh my I can't This is this is how I sound to people who hate me Well, no wonder they're angry Wait a second wait a second This means that if we gave him a negative two People suss that means that he would actually go down by three because he already Yeah, exactly. I think it's that's one, right? That's one negative one. So is it negative? This is like at that point. Yeah, where is he now? sussed He's at negative 10 with the people suss. Oh my god. I didn't know he's collapsed He is full of lava right now. He is the t1000 in the lava. Well, though I'm back in the running because uh, if we combine the Accuracies of our total predictions that I might actually be able to make it because meme had plus two on sins. I had negative 15 I overestimated the both of them 20 let's see if we can make it that far down. Let's see. We got we got some minutes left. Yeah, take it away from it But also this works. I'm not kidding. Wolf leaves after this. Keep watching. It's f***ing unreal Oh That's a new problem. He keeps digging. That's a new problem. That's a new one. That's a new negative I agree. It is a new negative and the people suss That's one point. That's one point. That's a negative one. Yeah Yeah, stop taking this opportunity to poke death in the eyes three stooges style. Apparently It's zero. Zero. Yeah Yeah, he's done that is his that's that is the totality of death then I was expecting so much more sins taken off the counter sort of stuff, but we've had barely any Yeah, I'm surprised. That's crazy. He seems to actually think death has like made an error Like that the writing is poor because he chose to leave He like he legit doesn't understand what the f*** happened in the scene Damn To the point where he's like annoyed at the film Yeah, you're being dead, but waiting until the most opportune time to resurrect themselves I don't know if this is opportune. I mean This is after death is gone and now everybody can focus on him. So really it's inopportune if anything Yeah, he could definitely argue that so I But this is the thing this reminds me of the gut shot to the belly in a lot of stuff It's just like it's really up to the writer how fast he's able to get out of the bag Because it's a big magical bag that seems to be like never ending. So how long does it take him to find The things he needs including the eating the stuff to you know, I mean, yeah, like it's We can't take a couple of minutes maybe or it could be five seconds I don't know that I could say reliably how long it should take. Yeah Is that was as zero then right I'd say zero on that one. Yeah zero Spongebob No, I did not need to see this again My thumb's still hurt from when you did it at the beginning of the movie You showed it this makes me want to dig up Anton Chekhov's corpse just to tell him to f*** off already Don't worry. It'll be fine. I'm sure they knew when they buried him that he'd be brought up again later What means zero Oh, I love it when the three of them look at each other and agree to tear it Is it gonna say something real stupid magical wish paper easily torn Oh, he's gonna say why did they tear it? They could have all wished for something. Yep. That's that's what I think you might say I'm confused too giant jackhorner puts still had time to make us wish I mean that's a negative one surely because he doesn't understand the motivations it could be argued as a negative I'll stick with one but the three characters. Uh, he doesn't understand why each of them would do what they did Oh my god, I've been feeling negative Oh, he's in the lava. He's there. He's screaming. What did I do to deserve this? I mean, what specifically? We're gonna dock a point for that, but you've completely misunderstood That gets us in dock. Yeah, but nothing real else No points because that's nothing. That's nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Also. We skip to here. All right Yeah, we wanted to see a tag scene with the governor character after the movie already ended perfectly It's it's not over Yeah, it's suited because he was he was something of a established thing we can use them again. We're not That's a zero. I guess. Yeah If I knew what's he gonna say about this and to see some old friends Using shrek as sequel bait when I prefer on keeping him far far away Well, if it's written as well as this film, then I'll be happy with another shrek. Yeah, man Do we need a shrek renaissance? Shrek renaissance Oh, damn. All right. Who cares what his tally is. What's what's our tally? Well, well, well, well, let me let this play a little bit. I don't know what else is here I think it's just mean My thumb, where's my thumb? Yeah, we don't know this doesn't matter. Okay. Yeah Damn buddy, I'm not we're free. Okay. Well, it was a 50-50 for a while and now it's kind of Let me post let me post to you. Well, wait, we're gonna I gotta end the poll Yeah, you gotta end the poll. Oh, yes, you do. That's right 51% one Oh, nice I love democracy. All right, let me uh boom boom get this all Tallyed up Let me post it here. This is the official Uh Is the official tally Wins ended up with 11 points in a peepo suss And cinemas sins final score was negative 11 And a peepo suss Can I just say how pathetic for both of them? That's that's amazing. That's a clear even even though This was highly Highly waited in favor of wins to give them a fair shot from the last episode when we covered multiverse of madness Both of our contenders did a shit to your job You know, it's really Wins should have cleaned the floor with points. Yeah, it should have been like what happened with our sins Where sins absolutely demolished wins on our multiverse to where we stopped counting. Yeah So the conclusion here is that they both they both failed But the the the nature of our wins failure is more spectacular Yeah, because he had a handicap essentially with the movie it means that he came out ahead both of them did a Terrible job. It's embarrassing. Yeah, this one was crazy because I remember that the takeaway with our sins on multiverse Was that it was kind of a little surprising He kind of surprised us a little bit with like the quality of some of his analysis Some of it was just downright like oh, wow, that's really good Whereas obviously this time around the quality of the criticisms is like well, let's be real. All right, like There's not this there was very little by way of like a meaningful character or thematic criticisms It was mainly just like yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah, I guess cartoon physics. Yeah, okay Yeah and then of course wins dramatically failed in the nature of providing a comprehensive analysis And praise of this film. He failed miraculously I feel like I know less about this movie now than I did before we started Um This is what I've come up with for trying to figure out a winner for our predictions What I did was just Count the amount we were off and you can just double check the math On both and then add them together. So technically whoever's got the lowest score would win Which is me Which is your yeah, and I think I lost uh big time on this one 38 I think it's Meme Yeah, I think I got second meme was only yeah, he gets because it's obviously lowest score wins So because you're one off with the win. So you get one point and then yeah, you were Nine away with the sin. So yeah, you win with 10 points. Uh Let's check though. Let's check What are you talking about mola one? He's eight. He wins Mola. Oh, yeah, okay. Okay. I was looking at I came second Well, I did say double check the math because I may have gone the wrong. Yeah, that's why I'm going through and double checking Yeah, mola wins in the second place and then Um It's probably gonna be uh random. I think is next right I think so Yeah, I'm not really a math guy, wouldn't it? You got I can't believe I overestimated them both so much 17 is what you've got. Okay, so that'd be 23 Yeah, because so far mola is the winner with eight points. Yeah Oh, wait, hold on. Uh metal might actually wait Wait, I think metal no wait. Is metal next? Well mel's already 16 off Which is more than me with just from the winds. Oh, yeah, but yeah, sure But I think it's clear that it was you and then meme was second But metal I think because if he he was real close with sins So that's one and then you got uh 16 with uh, so that'd be 17, which is um So I think that's closer and then rags was uh 25 so that's 14 and then With a plus five for sins would be I'm just trying to do the math to my head and I'm a little bit tired That's my excuse god damn it 14 and 6 20 Well, here's this 25 though, right? Oh, yeah, so I fucking that I was like uh 16, right? That'd be 16 and 14 Yeah, 16 and 49 Which is much worse than I thought it was but still And then of course mine is the worst obviously look at how wrong I was but you're but there's an intuition there that like is You can't fault it because obviously because obviously like winds he'll knock this one out of the park, right? This is like the perfect video for him and obviously sins is gonna Maybe try and reach too far and get things right. Yeah, but I I don't know. Yeah, I guess you were surprisingly close to sins there. So I wasn't really I was negative 20. So it was I mean, that's only nine off. You know, it's not actually that That's true. Um Oh, that's true. Yeah, but it was because at the beginning sins look like you might stand a chance But then it deteriorated. Yeah, he started off strong and then the movie began I guess uh The broad takeaway, I guess from both of them is neither of them understood it Um, we dude sins. I think may have misunderstood Which means they both lose. Um, he might have because like that ending was horrendous Yeah, whereas whereas the nature of like because at the very least cinema wins Sure, his his read of death and jack was like bizarre But he understood that the point of the film is about confronting your own mortality Confronting it head on and fighting The a life that you want to preserve and protect and that that's enough and that that you know Like you got that so it's like, oh, okay Well, so whatever whatever problems whereas in this case He clearly didn't understand the point of the film and you don't understand death either. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, so it's it. Yeah, but I guess it's I guess, uh, Who do you think cared more about the film in terms of paying attention to it or appreciating it? What do you think? No Yeah, because wind seems super like Dismissive and uninterested and he still got it wrong when this should have been his wheelhouse This this is a gift to him and he squandered it Like what like like one of pusses lives he wasted and he didn't appreciate it Oh boy, it's I guess it's in terms of a comparison of How well because obviously last time sins won and the nature of his win was like, okay Yeah, all right. You know that was kind of the vibe. I think when he won whereas with this one It's like, oh geez. Wow. You really screwed up which I guess is interesting as a point of comparison Yeah, he said scrooge winds is like a summary. I remember he He was he seemed to have a reasonable understanding of what the film was actually about I don't know if I can say the same for sins Yeah Yeah, that edge is it for me. I think These are strange times I think it's beautiful that all of us no matter what side we were quote-unquote backing all of us Completely underestimated the horse we were going for as far as our upper estimates went and that's beautiful I did when everyone else was given a taste. I was like, oh shit. I've I've underballed my winds overnight because like He's like it's so easy, especially with like the comments on just, you know, oh, there's eight glasses Or there's eight dongs or whatever and just like, yeah, that should This this should work out real well, but then he just uh most of it was nothing. He just didn't say anything or made a joke Yeah, because he clearly didn't care that much Um, which is really frustrating because it's the whole like, oh well that i'm being positive is good, right? But being positive and not giving a shit I don't know. I think that annoys me more than if you cared, but it's negative Do we um as a as an outcome? Does anyone Because this one comes off as vapid mentioned the final score of um, the the MOM competition I know that we didn't keep counting for wasn't that that sins was like plus two something like that I pretty sure someone mentioned that I think you mentioned that someone did I think um, if I remember correctly winds was on like plus two or minus two or something sins was on I want to say plus 69 Oh No Okay, that's all that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense Because there's just so much to work with an MOM He didn't he didn't have to make such a stupid jokes or poor analysis. He could just keep pointing out however nothing makes sense It's just funny though because the convert the opposite was the case here You can just point out how it's good You know, you can point out how the last wish is a great movie and he failed to do that and consistently What a mess cinema wins, but since citizen he literally could have done a joke or it's like I just Like he starts and he seems desperate and then he's just like I I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't give sins So that he's like does a thing where he turns into cinema wins, but his version of it But the problem is like I think of things, but I don't think he wants to ever deviate from his formula Yeah, I mean what's what's the whole motto like oh every movie is like no movie without sin But it's like yeah, I mean it's not without sin when you go out of your way to come up with these stupid jokes That you then constitute as a sin and then it all adds up Or if you completely don't understand the ending and then you just sin it Yep, but maybe that was the intentionally wrong criticisms, you know, maybe that's when it was intentionally But doesn't change the fact that it's wrong I think the real takeaway here is how sorry the state of I guess like mainstream Like a like casual view movie criticism is with these two channels And honestly, they're both like Tremendous losers for not being able to get this movie And it's legitimately I mean it's worrying because you would expect that they would be able to do it because they're film youtubers and this is what they do But at the same time it's also um like you have pity for them in a way That's am I jason like get it I'm adjacent to that point of please don't cover films that you don't understand at all Come on like you don't have to but they obviously did because it was a big movie I I'm I'm almost completely convinced that wins didn't even really want to talk about it But then they were like do it do it do it do it do it in this comment section. He was like, okay Okay, okay, and then uh, look at the top 20 Top 20 easter eggs and then watched the film and came to some conclusions made a script pooped it out done Yeah, it's just the nature of the story is good. Oh, all right Honestly, it's sad that like there is room for cinema sins and wins as a channel In fact, I think the perfect synthesis is to approach with their format but to apply the wins and sins Where they are earned Yeah, exactly. Very nice And to have less of a reliance on jokes is a thing to just tide you through when you don't have anything worthwhile to add But instead of having the attitude of it's got to all be positive or it's got to all be negative But at the very least it's kind of hilarious because like cinema sins will at least sometimes take sins away Whereas wins will never deduct wins. Does is he ever done that in his formula? Probably Yeah, every once in a while. Yeah, he does it every once in a while. He didn't do it. He didn't do it this time around though, did he? I don't think so He took a couple sins away No, no, no, no, no cinema wins. Does cinema wins have a take ends away? Ooh, I sins does. Yeah, but I don't know if wins has ever done it I swear I've seen him do it at least once maybe it was like thing really like I would picture it's a room or something. Oh picture. It would be something like this movie was stars Kevin Spacey, so that's that's a win off or something like that Like I could seem to do it with matter information about people involved But maybe I don't know if he would ever do it like just because a character did something he didn't like Well, I mean as you see like whenever there's a point where he has a level of criticism seeping in Who just be that's okay though Or I like it and then just you know like you did with the dream works one Like you did with the animation one that was really weird Well, you know, it's like oh, I hope we don't learn the long wrong wrong lessons from anyway, right? That's a win Yeah It's such a terrible. Well apparently um because I remember jay talking about this cinema sins's video on everything ever all at once Is a complete shift in the format Um, I stopped seeing it. I meant to watch it so I could find out what that shift in format was because I don't want to Claim anything before I see it I don't want to hear his voice right now I think I could go for a good long while enough. Yeah, I've had a good yeah this this e-fap season. I think I need a reset from it. So It's funny because next week we got a really big word as well a big log boy Uh, I won't say what it is other than it's gonna be long if it happens Some some no complaining things could get in the way. So no promises, but yeah Yo, this one nine hours. There's gonna be people right now. Like this wasn't that long as five and a half. It's like you don't know Nine hours god, I was there Gandalf. I was there There are things you haven't seen Literally have seen All right, then. Well, I guess it's time for us to begin wrapping up. So Thank you so much random film talk and meme repository for hanging out with us for that incredible nine-hour adventure Always a pleasure. Um, yes. Thank you for having me as long as you're both interested. We will like to Revive it. That's what I just said Yeah, good job guys. You suck around for nine hours. That's really impressive No, thanks. You say I had a bottle to help me get by you know, it's really I really We really appreciate you guys sticking around for the whole nine hours here. All right, we've that's true They well don't worry, um If if you're interested, just let me know we will book you again for the next adventure into the cinema wars Which will likely be months from now because it's good to get a recharge, you know We'll figure out the next one's got to be a mid movie. It's got to be a middle of the road. Okay Yeah Give them an even playing, uh, you know an even playing field for the both of them to be fair the results currently are one all they've uh It was it's one all but This episode is way closer than it had any right to be and both of our contestants are shit and terrible Well, two retards fighting. Is that me? It's basically The degree to which Sorry, I was going to say the degree to which sins one On mom would put him in the lead though, right? Or is that not how you're doing it? Uh, well, since I just even doubts the fact that what all is is a thing that none of us would even really We're thinking about but If you're playing sports, the I mean it wins a win whether you win by 50 points or one point So There are there are particular tournament rules that can change that. Um, depending on what sport and what Scenario, but it's you know percentage. Well, we have the data Sure. Yeah. Yeah, and it score will determine your ranking if you like for like you've got the same number of wins and losses Yeah, and honestly, I mean we've got the data. We've got the numbers We can workshop it. It will be a why if we choose to do anything with it We've got some time to think about it because it's not it's something we can think about And wins was sitting on a gold mine with this episode and he flubbed it And you know because again For whatever concessions we had of yes, sure you get the point This hasn't changed anything push and boots lost wishes An amazing movie and neither Have changed that If you haven't if you haven't seen this movie a part of me was really worried about there being spoilers in these videos But both of our contestants did such a shit job Going over the movie You guys really yeah, you could see this and you'll see a lot of stuff in the movie that just wasn't in these videos Yes, um And I will say without context if I'd seen this result I'd have been like wow sins must have really pulled it together because he's only got a negative 11 when it could have been like a negative 100 But would you would you go through it? You're like no sins is crap So, yeah, uh Well Before we leave you all why don't uh, why don't you guys want to start with random film? Tell everybody what you're up to where they can find you Alrighty, um, yeah, I've got a youtube channel relatively new been doing it for What like a year and a bit properly kind of since rings of power came out um I've got video series on rings of power on the and on the hobbit movies And I most recently did a video on Rebel moon, of course. Yeah, did indeed of course Yeah, how do you Well, yeah, I know this is the thing is I I've spent most of the last couple of months working on a series on arcane Which is coming next And uh, I delayed that because I was not prepared for exact sniders rebel moon Part one a child of fire He's a missionary Yeah, very much very much so so he completely fucked up my schedule and now I don't know how many arcane videos I'm gonna get out before Part two of rebel moon That also delay the hell out of you because Which it also might because I Yeah, it's unlikely that I'll have nothing to say about that film, but Yeah, right now, uh, the next thing that I'm gonna be releasing is gonna be arcane I'm not gonna slot anything else in the meantime All right, sweet. What's what's the nature of that like a breakdown? Yeah, so it's going to be the first like fully positive Video series that I've done so the format is a little bit different But in terms of like I guess the experience of watching it. It's going to be similar to the kind of stuff I've done before It's just largely positive Um, generally very focused on characters and character arcs and that kind of thing, um But I'm doing I've decided rather than do one video on each episode I'm going to do three videos total so one on each of the three Like acts from season one because they're pretty self-contained stories, but like They kind of it obviously they feed into each other and there's cliffhangers and all the rest of it And it means I can discuss for example act one like in its entirety without worrying about anything that comes next Wow sounds exciting Yeah We may we may have arcane streams coming someday that we will Grab you in for if you're interested Uh, yeah, let me know I should be able Not even just us at season two. I don't say arse season two But uh, you know, there's some videos that uh, some people want us to check out in terms of arcane being very bad actually Oh, yeah, find out why maybe I don't know if you saw our coverage of the video about barcus, but that shit was trauma I definitely did but I can't remember it. It was a little while ago Like Meme repository. What about you sir? All righty, then. Well, um, firstly, I'm right now. I'm elbow deep in Some some very in a very uh, well, hopefully what will be a very good reaction series from a little um series called efap tv, but um The the show itself is uh, yeah I'm elbow deep in the shit right now with that one because it's just it is such a bad show But uh, hope so i'm hoping to uh, the aim is to get that out within the next couple of months So look forward to that and after that We're going to be this year will be the hopefully the soft reboot of the meme repository channel in the sense that media analysis And stuff will still be there, but i'm hoping to branch out into all sorts of different topics And um, i'm going to very intentionally not tease What those projects will be only to say that they will be very different from each other because I want to get I want to experiment and do some do all kinds of stuff and just get the get my creative groove back Um with that sort of thing and uh, I read somewhere that if you announce a project Um, especially before you started apparently you get the same dopamine rush as um, yeah when when you uh Uh complete it so i'm just going to be very vague with what the plans are just so I can Keep that motivation train, but uh at the moment my workflow is like Mostly editing and then occasionally i'll jump into like obsidian and then write a bunch of notes for an idea and then Yeah, and so I'll be able to more thoroughly commit to those once I get this So I haven't even been streaming lately because I just want to get this Done out out into the world. Um for all of you people to see so uh, that that's what's going on with me at the moment gorgeous exciting Other words that are positive And lead to the sense that things are on the way because they are Links all in the description a and once again, thank you so much for being we just we appreciate it That's right everyone. Thanks for being here. It was a long one. Both are both our wonderful guests and uh, our amazing audience Rags free anything you lads would like to say Nothing that I'd like to announce publicly right now Uh, well, I guess the question baller is it what's the do you know what the have you already decided what the release plan is for the The things coming out. Yeah, so well, I was going to say that for my Side is just anything you wanted to say about anything you're up to I guess Um, I'm just working but that that would be the the thing Loki's done. So That'll be coming out. Thanks for whatever you're saying when it's coming out. So well, so we'll start with Lord of the Rings So, uh, I came up with a plan. I think I mentioned the last time I talked about a copyright nightmare of Prompting the evil bots because there's chill bots and evil bots the chill bots So what we usually put everything past and it's quite easy to deal with the chill bots, but the evil bots they come in Fucking full force when they've detected something and your video is very very long It's just something new to me. I don't I don't really understand this and so I came up with the idea of okay I'm gonna work on our echo coverage While just seeing what prompts on youtube trimming it see what prompts trimming it seem what prompts trimming it And you just keep going because they keep supplying it one by one and I'll just keep adding it And I knew that eventually would run out and in my head I was thinking it's gonna be about five to ten There's no way I missed more than five to ten And you know by the time I hit number 40 I'm like this is just Unreal and uh, I was updating rags and free as I was going along they um they hit us for um You shall not pass just that you know how long that clip is They said that was too long and that that needs to be sorted and I was I was like for real like I don't know and then um The balrog falling down the bridge breaking and it falls which again, it's like four seconds. I think that got hit I was like, um I don't know what's going on here and then there was one I don't think I showed you it fringy but rags. Do you remember me showing you one where It was clearly wrong Yeah, like amr part. Yeah. Yeah, it was uh amr shows up And then it cuts to us talking about him and in the timestamp About two of the five seconds were clearly it really is Not the film it's like I'm not saying like oh no, it was zoomed out or it was like it was us in discord You couldn't see anything else So at that point I was like, oh I think I don't know what this system is But it's broken and it won't it was just doesn't relent It would just I think it would actually tag you no matter what I would love to experiment But I don't have the time like to just keep re-uploading and re-trimming and seeing how crazy it gets But it was snip is stipping things at this point that I've never even seen before and I was like So this is just a matter of Triggering it with the chill bots activating the angry bots on something that's longer than I I want to say five hours I don't know what the cap or the activation point is There's something like that and simultaneously by the way It was only doing it for two towers clips kept hitting us for two towers clips not fellowship Not returning the king So I at least thought that we were clear on the other two and then I just had to defeat two towers, which Is an inevitability right? It's obviously an inevitability And then uh, I trimmed out it could have been the AMA one and one after it And then it came back with two hits and I was like wait, that's weird and one of them was returned to the king I was like I thought we were clean on return of the king And I and the first one of return of the king was a five second one I hit it and then another one comes back hit it another one comes back hit it another one comes But I was like so return of the king now is in the exact same place as two towers I am further back than I was when I started trying to deal with this so um I've decided that the amount of work I did to cover it with copyright is just that's that is what it is And I'll upload it as is it has not been hit by the chill bots And I hope that it never will be The the first three we did me wolf and rags Those aren't hit by I think one of them might be hit by copyright but the other two aren't and they have more than five second clips in them But again, they're only like an hour long. So I don't it's so annoying but what I want to do Is just uh upload that one probably the week after next It's it's just going to be the time because we've got something locked in place for next week now I think the week after that we won't so I'll put that out on the saturday as a big fun thing that we can all do Even though you've probably seen it Chat was implemented Copyright was applied This one might actually be able to get some level of adsense on it Which would be nice because it's been insane and absurd But by then which will be two weeks from now I will have chopped up all of it to release in smaller videos And those ones I imagine won't be hit even by the chill bots because they'll be between a half hour and 50 minutes at most And you are welcome to either watch them or not Um, hopefully they they are more consumable. They're gonna like I said be topic related So I'll get all of them done and it'll mean that the videos themselves ended up having some kind of You know benefit to those that worked on it in the form of monetization that would be nice. I'm also appreciating this meme Excellent memes With all that in mind like I said I'd been working on echo echo is almost done So that'll be out Wednesday What you're listening to right now will hopefully be out tomorrow The only thing is I have a decent amount of editing to work to do to connect them and to cover them up for copyright and then Find them together upload and release. So hopefully and obviously we're late So I should be headed to sleep soon, but I'll try to get as much done before I go to sleep Trying to push it out for Monday echo on Wednesday Next D5 episode Saturday, and then the Wednesday after that will be low key episode one and Think the way we're going to do it is low key catch up low key catch up low key catch up low key catch up Low key catch up low key catch up until we expend Both of those because we're stocking up on things, but we also don't want to spam Uh content as well because we're still recording Extra e-fap episodes to try and catch the number up a bit because we fell behind We've got to do meme faps and we've also got um I mean it is done so I could say what it is, but there's there's a special leaf that we recorded um Bringing around you know i'm talking about The thing with the it's just a little bit different. We hadn't done something like that before and uh That's mostly edited and covered for copyright. So that'll be coming out too I mean That's a lot of stuff Yeah, and by the time all of that's out. I'm sure we'll have lots more ready to go Um And it was it was fun It was fun doing this today, but I think like I said I have a bit of a break on the cinema wars thing Oh, yeah, please please. I can't yeah It gets a bit heavy Um, and yeah, uh lord the rings set me back in terms of working on mainstream stuff or main channel stuff I guess I should say and uh the that that will continue Um, but yeah, that's that's the that's information. I hate copyright You all knew this but uh never never encountered such a demon as this before To the point where I think if I had actually trimmed two towers over and over again They would just keep going. I don't think it would ever actually stop. It's uh It's like the bot was designed to simply choose The most likely to actually pass a human's eyes if they looked at it, but doesn't actually have to I don't know. Oh, I also recommend silo I watched that tv show fully with rags. Yeah, that's right We enjoyed it mucho. It's uh premise because I don't think it's bad to explain this as a hook There's a enormous silo under the ground that houses 10 000 people And they're all under the impression told definitively that outside in the world is so poisonous It could kill you in mere minute of exposure sort of thing And some other people who are living there, uh, you know, they're questioning that like, hmm, I'm not sure about that I don't know if they're, hmm, and uh Their history stretches back 140 years But no more because there was an event that scrubbed all of their history and that Part of their like bible that that was an event that took place. There's lots of very interesting shit in the in the season and uh I don't know about rags necessarily, but I thought it ended quite well Though it is dependent on how they continue it I would yeah, I mean ultimately I walked away from the show with uh, with with a recommendation in mind Yeah, definitely wanted to check out. I think And uh, I'm just trying to think of anything else. We've seen one life That was uh, a drink recommends. I saw it as a result of that very very good film everyone should go check it out Yes, I can uh, really good film another amazing Anthony Hopkins performance But no surprise there And um, yeah, I've been just on that note Probably gonna say goodbye because I'm getting closer to what it's hard hungry hungry Thank you all I will get this up as soon as possible with the edits to ensure it can be watched instead of taken down And thank you all for keeping us company and obviously your super chats shall be addressed in future We are getting them recorded. No problem But for now Good night all we have yourselves a fine evening. Good morning. See everybody