 President Mohamed Buhari on Tuesday said his regime has done extremely well considering the limited resources available to it. The president spoke during a stakeholder meeting at Imo State Government House in Orwiri, the state capital, after inaugurating the Orwiri Aaloo Road, please. This was phase one of the Orwiri Yuki Kwee Road and the State House of Assembly Complex rebuilt by the administration of the state governor, Hope Uzadima. Now, he said his regime was able to achieve much despite the scarce resources at his disposal. He extolled the regime for dislodging the Boko Haram terrorists in the northeast and tackling infrastructural decay, which he said he inherited from the People's Democratic Party's administration in 2015. Now, while saluting the Imo State Governor for prioritizing construction and institutional reforms in the past three years, the president said his regime will leave a legacy of major development projects across the country. Joining us to discuss this is Tunji Abdul Amid, he's a legal practitioner, Alesta Wilcox is a public affairs analyst and a chartered accountant. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. Great. Thank you. Tunji, I'm going to start with you because we're assessing Mr. President. For every time we get close to an election cycle, there's a need for that assessment to happen and Nigerians always ask the question when the president says, well, I've done well, my administration has fed well, we've done this and that. But let's start with the first thing that the president has said. Looking at the resources that were available according to Mr. President, they've done remarkably well being that this administration may not be swimming in much money as, of course, the Jonathan administration or even the previous administrations. What are your thoughts? It's not available for Mr. President to say yes, not even done well, he said yes, don't extremely well. I don't understand what he's saying about that, though he has an opinion to say whatever he thinks. As far as I know, a student will not be the one to mark his scheme and give himself a score. You do an exam and you leave the result to the examiner or the lecturers to mark it. And in this instance, the Nigerians are the examiner and they were the lecturers who mark the script. For me, as a person, it depends on whether it's not done well, not even done well. If I have to mark the president and give them any percentage, I will give the administration 30%, which is below the pass mark. The president seems to have forgotten that the basic responsibility of the government is to provide security and welfare. I have not seen that security available in this country. Yes, the president said alluded to the fact that Boko Haram and whatever has been taken away from Pono and the Adamawa. They are the offspring of Boko Haram and are now giving us problems. Kidnappers, bandits, everywhere. At that time, Boko Haram was suited only to Bono and Adamawa. But today, everywhere in the country, it's not safe. Nobody is safe any longer. And that is why the infrastructure has been led to by the president because it includes the rail line, which has been abandoned for now. It has been suspended because of the Boko Haram attack, which is insecurity. The other area the president will talk about is the legacy of the SPS road. It's just 127 km out of thousands of roads in Nigeria. The president is talking about the second Niger bridge. Out of how much, the president got over 40 million deaths. In pure over 40 trillion deaths, aside the money being generated within the country, this government has given us a tax in so many, so many areas. And they were still generating money. Today, initially, they were complaining about the low price of fuel. Today, we are any more. Nobody is earning that. To me, FISAV works on grant. FISAV diamonds spent. FISAV, the responsibility of government, which is by section 42, which is to provide the primary responsibility to fight welfare and security, the president has not even done well, not to talk of extremely well, as far as I'm concerned. Are we being fair to Mr. President and his administration when we say nowhere is secure? I mean, you're calling me from a secure place, I presume. So I'm guessing that some places might be secure. There might be other issues that the president raised that we might not agree with, but in terms of, you know, everywhere being insecure. I mean, we're being fair here. And even if Mr. President cannot dare to travel from Lagos to Hibana without escorts, talk less of 20 years and it will be done. You are in my house. In my house, I'm even afraid. Should we be rooted inside our house or houses? We can't travel anywhere. You'll be scared. Alessa and some other people, Alessa cannot go on road without being scared. You and I cannot go. Soji cannot go. And we say everywhere is secure. What is secure in that one? When you cannot even travel. The president, I'm very sure, since the president became the president, he has not traveled from Lagos to Hibana by road. He didn't even know how to do this. So he can't tell me his own way in that regard. As far as I'm concerned, the basic responsibility of the government is to provide security and welfare. If you match the government in that space, depending on the space, if you provide it, let's even admit that the president has provided infrastructure. In fact, I don't know that I cannot use. What is the benefit of that infrastructure? The Abudia Cabinet now was suspended for a while just because of an attack on security. As far as I'm concerned, I travel that route almost every week. It's just 70% or 80% completed. 70%. And it's not done yet. And I don't see that one as something that I want to go through and say I've done well because I've done it by the Lagos to Hibana road. Because I've done second idea bridge. Out of how much? For how many years? Okay. Out of how many years? 40.3 years. Not to talk of the international revenue. Okay. 3 years of that. And you say you have done well. As far as I'm concerned, the president is not telling himself the truth. Alesta, I'd like to bring you in here. The president, of course, knew what he was dealing with when he said he wanted to be president in 2015 and he got that mandate. He did promise us that he was going to fight in security. He said also in this speech that he's been able to dislodge Boko Haram. He talked about the issue of infrastructure. He's also talked about the mega funds that was available to his government and that he's done well, extremely well, I might hide, dealing with the country. But then we all know that it's not been really rosy for Mr. President. But maybe the president is in a position to say, well, I think I did the right thing. I think I've done well so far. I didn't even presume that I'd be able to reach this mark. And so I'm wondering why Tunji would say that the president hasn't done anything. Maybe from your perspective, you'll be able to give us more light. Well, when I was married to Tunji, when he came right here, Alesta, I didn't know that Alesta. So already he moved here, it belongs. And I like his writing. He says it's not safe. It's useful to be safe. I'm very, very safe. So I don't have any issues with skin-safe. He said I cannot travel. My family lives in the border and I go to Boko Haram, particularly every weekend. And I drive down. I live in Potatot. But I'm from Potatot. I'm very, very safe. This year alone I've made four trips all by route to Potatot Ampat, December is home. So it is not safe. And he's telling people that they are not safe. He's saying I'm not safe. I mean, if Tunji goes to Jibo today, they will count how many vehicles that are going to Tocano, Kaduna, Katina, that left safe. So I'm saying nobody's talking. I'm sure if he goes to Jibo tomorrow morning, or in any of those places. Even at Ajah, he cannot count the number of vehicles that will load and go to the east. God, I put there everywhere. And if he says he's not safe, nobody's talking. He can't show the mindsets of Nigerians. It's not safe enough for my friends on this video. That is Nigeria mindset. Why do you think Nigerians have that mindset? Because Nigerians will not just wake up and have that mindset today. About their country. And all you have about your country is war, war, war, war. Just keep expanding, expanding negativity. And that makes you happy. And you say you're not safe. But I am very, very safe. I travel, and God has given me a protector just as I've been, from time past, is going to be a Nigerian family. Now, let's say what the President said. He said he has gone extremely well in a past ocean. And now, keeping the blind that live in this country after 2015, knows the state of Baya Faso in Nigeria. Given the power in past ocean, everybody that is true to his conscience, or to his God, or that he's human being, that will tell you the state of Baya Faso in this country. He will tell you how necessary Baya Faso was. He will tell you how necessary Baya Faso was. He will tell you how, on the side of the group, he will go for that cause. He will tell you how can you come in a road. He will tell you how, he will tell you how on your commercial road. I'm not working for government. I'm not telling you around government. But you see, when we don't appreciate something, and all we see is evil, then you will keep looking what you're seeing. It's not like when this despise went by the land of Perkena, and then came up with bad reports. What did they get? They got bad. They thought they came up with good reports. I don't know if they enjoyed the land today. They said they enjoyed the land today. But please, that's a mess. The problem is that he has gone well in Faso. And the problem is too. You don't know anything about rail. If I don't let go, if I don't let go of good reports, this is your fault. I don't know about such a rail line. I don't know about that. So Alissa, you're trying to tell us that there have never been train services in Nigeria since Nigeria became a country, or that the Buhari administration was the first administration to introduce rail lines to us as a country. Is this a joke? It has been there on audio. Every government firm, the firm is established in several media briefs. This is something that some of you have seen. And every day, you have seen the floorboard of work. I mean, before now, you cannot tell from where you are. So, Enugu, next day today, I see how even though that the people of the South East so much hate this man, that yes, when they saw him on that road, they still assume that he had thought of this for them. So I'm looking at income this and this, what is on ground. When they came in, all your friends was told no, it's not because of this that you fell off. And you're just in a red fight with all your friends. What is our main thing? Alissa, can I come in? Yeah, can I come in? Because I like where you're going. But I'm interested in the parts where you say since we were born, if we've ever had anything about the rails or the rail lines. I'm certain that you know that we've had trained services in this country before the Buhari administration came in. And let's not forget who started that before Buhari decided to complete it. That's one. Secondly, when we keep talking about infrastructure, we just talk about roads. We keep talking about express ways that government this is what taxpayers' monies are meant for, right? I'm sorry, just hold on. Let me get to my point. Should we be rolling out the drums because somebody used our monies that he's supposed to use to fix roads for us? Should we be rolling out the drums? Again, do you think that this is what Nigerians want? Just infrastructure and of course in his words dislodging Boko Haram. At this point in Nigeria's life, what do you think that we need right now? Is it what Mr. President has given to us? And should that be something he should be applauding himself for? Meriam, the biggest room in the world is the room for improvement. I'm sure you know that. Now, nobody's saying that he's got a big drum and the President is not asking to get a big drum for him because he did what he's supposed to do. He's only telling you what he has done based on what is available. He did it so that every time that every month the American President comes up to tell you how many jobs he has created, he doesn't know what he wants to do. Every time they will tell you what they are doing because when the public they are not living in Medugri before 2015, they are not living in Medugri. You will not understand how the poor people are feeling today. You will be here using your borrow data to abuse and say nothing is happening because the man that is living in Medugri after 2015 and today will tell you a different story. So, he needs to speak it out. So, he said there was a great line, one locomotive line which was not even functional. The locomotive line is from this local train that goes from to a large battle with people on top and everything. Have you entered the new train? This is a project conceived from the conception the heritage of the Kaduna Sanu. No, sorry, the Kaduna the Kaduna which a battle started the heritage of about 90% completion completed this and launched it. Now, we started the legislative battle from scratch and today those who are in the service will not say what you are saying. It is your work and you are doing it. And what it is doing does and you are not acknowledging it whether you are deriding it you are talking it down and simply happening. You are talking it down, you are deriding it. Your military men are out there taking the supreme price for you and you keep criticizing them saying they are doing nothing. I'm sorry, I'm not sure you haven't really totally answered my question but I think Chunji wants to come in here. Yes, I want to come in. Let's start talking as if before the Braille administration there are no roads in Nigeria. Every successive government I've been doing roads. Can you let him speak please? Every successive government in this country has been doing roads. There are times when you cannot go to Bini, you spend hours they don't have free before Braille came into power and it was filled by somebody. You don't hear a complaint of roads in the north, it was done by a government. So when a government came into power Borough 40 trillion plus and he said he did the legacy of the road and he did the one and how many kilometers they don't know it's just one and how many kilometers. He did the second Niger it has not even completed out of how many years 80 years and out of how much and you are saying you are going to be part of the culture. What kind of culture is that? It's like me and giving me one million dollar to buy a car for her and I said to buy a one million dollar car and he said can you buy anything for me? Have you done well? No! You have not done anything well you have not done anything special. Every successive government have been doing roads. Every successive government have been doing one thing or another. Everyone has been there he's been working so he's not a new team and the one that has been done by this government he's been abandoned because of his security. So I don't see how I should be pressing president or he's prepared in any offense the president cannot be the one to tell me whether or not he has done well it is Nigerians and as far as I'm concerned if you do the assessment from the people you will get to surprise the people in the market how much you don't have to do? I'm going to bring you back to the question that I asked because Alesta I really need Alesta to answer that question and I will need for you to answer that question at this point in the life of Nigerians is it what do you think that we want right now because Alesta is happening on what Mr. President has said he's a supporter of Mr. President he's saying what the President has done is fine it's well Mr. President but what do we need right now and can we really look back at the seven plus years that President Bahari has led us to say he did something and he's left a legacy that will continuously remember him for I beg your pardon he promised to fight corruption we don't know if he has more than doubled as we speak he promised to fight insecurity but he has spare headed he promised to deal with unemployment and under-employment and create jobs I do not know if this government has been able to do any of that so the question I pose to both of you gentlemen the elections are around the corner what should Nigerians be expecting because again the President's Party is fielding another candidate and so are the political parties what should the average Nigerian be looking for is that for me? Yes please you go first first time you people in the media you do what they call Alesta please answer the question we're tired of this story that you make up about the media please answer the question yes but you always look for a way to not answer the question and bring the media into it please answer the question what do you think that Nigerians will hold as a legacy for the Bahari administration the media is not your problem please tell us what your governments will leave as a legacy quickly please answer the question what do you think you think performance is only by the price of rice if it is by the price of rice then the PDP and the government that you support then hopefully because no matter when they took over rice then a better would have been the same because at a better time rice was better than a bag if the price of rice is the basis of the government no you look at it holistically do you know how many jobs are created when their specials are being built do you know how many jobs people are having when they are building the Sabah Niger bridge you don't count these things you take it your piece you're an accountant can you give us statistics as to how much job creation has come under the Bahari administration and really like to hear from you because you give us all this information you seem to have it what is the punishment against the dollar because that makes the British government a failure against the dollar because you have no answer to that Alistair I really would like for you to tell me what will be the legacy for the last time what will be the legacy of the Bahari administration after 2023 what will be the legacy of the Bahari administration after 2023 I've been in the country with faith and decision making I think you don't have an answer to my question Alistair so I'll toss it to Tunji because we're almost out of time I'm putting it as such a issue alright go ahead Tunji as far as I'm concerned we need a government that knows what our problems are and who will deal with the problems not the one that will complain but Nigerians know their problems politicians are part of Nigeria we need solutions we need people that will bring solutions to us not people that will complain and talk about if PDP that were there before now have done well if people will not vote for APC they will allow them to continue so we all know that somebody else came into power probably people are not satisfied and they say go so that's if complaining for several years will not solve any problem as far as I'm concerned Nigerians need people who know who knows the problem why can these people be found because again it seems like the system keeps throwing up the same group of people we hear all of these promises but today we don't even get to pinch of all of the promises that were made so again we're not here to talk about our problems we know the problems who brings the solution and again I asked Alesta this question what will be the legacy of the Bahá'í administration after 2023 there is no other option I don't know any I talk about employment now we have more unemployment than even people that have employed even know what the only legacy that I can see from the president is drawing us back that is legacy that I know that is gaining no other one is gaining we have been drawn back to the ages those olden ages where we are doing the way it was that time so as far as I'm concerned this time we still throw out the same people for us because most of us are not interested in this we don't see governance as our problem we also be involved in it we can see it as our problem not a politician's problem we are our politicians because if you are interested in governance you are a politician except if you are not interested in governance you cannot say you are not a politician so we all need to be interested in it we need not to focus on sentiments we need not to focus on the ethnic or religious sentiments and we look for people who can solve our problems who can give I know I will not be surprised we are dancing, drumming and scamping and that's what we are going to see and people will be satisfied no matter what you say people have their mindsets they fought based on sentiments they fought based on religions until we change those mentalities we can't get it right thank you thank you thank you so much gentlemen for being part of this conversation we will have these same kinds of conversations thank you for having me alright, well that's it on the show tonight but before I go I would like to give you my take now in the cause of any campaign an incumbent is prone to exaggerations of his accomplishments and even wild embellishments of the fact the lack of transparency and accountability in Nigeria makes it almost impossible to judge an elected official on his merits now bragging about what you've done may typically be frowned upon but for the sake of convincing an electorate he needs to put its faith in a ruling party its path for the cause now there is a reason the job of a leader is never done no matter where in the world you go the innumerable wants and needs of people make it impossible for everyone to be pleased and long term projects tend to only pay dividends long after the administration of the originator of those projects might well be over but no matter how forward thinking we want our leaders to be a good leader must find solution to some problems that the people are facing in the short term it is not for the leader to pat himself on the neck or on the back and grade his efforts as job well done that is for history to judge and that's what our presidents and all the people that will come after him should do I'm Mary Ann O'Conn have a good evening