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We're gonna talk about the Microsoft announcements today Tomorrow Patrick Beja will be back to kind of give us an overview of what's been important And Scott Johnson's gonna follow up with some of his favorite things on the show on Wednesday But let's start with a few tech things you should know Salesforce announced it will acquire data analytics and visualization company Tableau for 15.7 billion dollars all in stock Tableau will continue to operate independently after the acquisition both company boards have approved the deal The acquisition is part of sales forces plan to expand beyond its CRM business and bring advanced analytics to the data already stored on its platform That's what the money is made in the analytics these days Google Assistant support in ways began rolling out to US Android users The feature will let drivers report incidents switch routes and adjust navigation preferences by voice rather than touch on the screen The feature is limited to English for the moment It has been 45 days since Samsung paused sales of the Samsung Galaxy Fold and an email Samsung told CNets Jessica dual court we will announce timing in the coming weeks So if you're curious and or keeping score the status of the Galaxy Fold remains unchanged We will continue to keep you up to date as this story unfolds get it. All right Let's talk a little more about Google Stadia. What do they got? Let's do it Google's upcoming Stadia game streaming service will let publishers offer their own game subscriptions through the streaming service Stadia exact Phil Harrison says that he expects publishers to start thinking about their own subscriptions in relatively short order and that Google will support that on its platform and we'll see some Announcements in due course around that. However, Harrison didn't name electronic art specifically Although EA already offers EA access which is a subscription service that lets users download a selection of its games on Xbox one And soon the ps4 for a single monthly fee EA has also confirmed It will offer games through Stadia though hasn't announced any titles just yet Yeah, so this is interesting and there's so many questions around this first of all A lot of people think Stadia setup is a little too complicated as it is I think it'll get simpler once the founders edition stuff is gone And it's just you can play it for free or if you want better resolution ten dollars a month and then you have to buy the games It's just a service that's giving you the the bits, right? You may not like that, but it feels easy enough to explain But now if you bring in this like or you could not buy the games you could also get a subscription But it's not a subscription to all the games. It's a subscription to games from particular publishers Not all the publishers are available. It starts to get real complex again It does seem like Google's trying to cash in on the fact that EA and Blizzard and many others Want to have subscription services tied to their publishing platform. So Google's like well Let's let's expose you to even more people so you can have control, but then we get a cut of that money, too Yeah, I would think that if you were EA This all has to be rolled out somewhat delicately right because you don't want to take people away from your own subscription service Well, yeah, I mean it's it's one of those situations like you have where say stars Sells a star subscription where you download the stars app you subscribe to it and then you get the stars content or On the Apple TV you can download the stars app subscribe through the Apple TV And then Apple gets a cut but it helps stars get more subscribe or stars on prime video Where it shows up in your prime video from Amazon But Amazon has so many customers it helps stars So it would be appealing to publishers who are like, yeah, we have our own service But we'll we'd have even more customers if we exposed it to Stadia Of course, that's a big question because nobody really knows how many people are gonna subscribe to Stadia in the first place It's interesting because and you know, I'm I'm the most non-gamer of the group but I've been sort of pulling folks that that are more in the space than me especially because a lot of people are in town for E3 and You know, what do you guys think about Stadia and and is there a lot of buzz around it and everyone's sort of like yeah I don't know might be fine But there there is less of an outrage of the idea of buying games In addition to the monthly fee than I thought that there would be and I think a lot of that has to do with people being like You know, you don't need like 300 games You're only really gonna play a few games at a time over and over again and then he and he'd move on to something else So and that doesn't certainly apply to everybody but I think that there's there's enough of that trend going on that the the revenue model isn't really Isn't putting people off even though we're still in the early days. I mean, I would add like, you know an Xbox one EA EA access is something you can get no matter what you subscribe to but you can only do the multiplayer aspect of Those games unless you you can't do it unless you have Xbox gold So there is I mean at least on the Xbox live platform There is some complication that can kind of make people maybe Take, you know, if they're if they're not super hardcore gamers, they don't need to play the latest battlefront Or whatever It might put them at a pause like well I don't want to jump through two hoops to get some entertainment But I have to jump through one that's fine, but two and now you're asking a lot Yeah, Penny arcade had a comic on stadia this morning that was pretty skewering It has a kind of a generic person instead of one of their normal characters saying I love playing hardcore high-fidelity games Or at least I assume I would but I don't own a console or a PC That's why I think Google stadia is for me And I think that gets to the heart of the matter is it's not that you know I think that's overstating it for comic effect, which is what you do in a comic, right? But but I think it does say like you're going to have to convince people that instead of buying a PC Upgrading a PC or getting the next console That stadia is a better way to go because then they don't have to spend that money on hardware And then the rest of this makes sense If you've convinced me that like, you know what? I'd rather spend a hundred twenty dollars a year on a service than pay for a piece of hardware Then buying the games having subscriptions available through for games like I would on my desktop PC That all starts to make sense It's just getting people over that initial hump that they're going to have to do and I think we're in that kind of crossover period where we have a lot of technologies that are overlapping On the audience and you know people it's I wouldn't say it's in the flux, but there's definitely a Shift and people will at some point decide whether or not they Want to go with the old way and just continually upgrade upgrade or is stadia just a very simple solution To you know knock out a couple hours in the evening Well, yeah And the other part that we haven't been paying attention to is eventually there will be the 720p service for free And we don't know if the subscriptions that google is talking about making available through stadia would be available to the free Users because if they are then those subscriptions make even more sense of like oh, okay I I I'm a free player and I'll play what's available for free But I could also pay for a subscription. I would assume google would want to make those subscriptions available to the free players as well xda developers noticed that google maps has a new off-route Alert in india that sends you an alert every time you go off course by at least 500 meters Now this would be helpful if you're driving and and you got lost and say hey You're way off course Although if you're paying attention to the nav you might notice that yourself But it also works as a safety measure. So if you're in the car with someone else driving, you know, particularly like a taxi driver Uh, it would alert you if that taxi driver is taking a circuitous route Maybe trying to drive up your fare or taking into the wrong place Last week google also started tracking delays in public transport and offered auto rickshaw fares for google maps users in india I've actually noticed that public transport delay stuff. It's it's quite useful, especially for the buses here in la Absolutely, and I haven't been to india in a while But I have definitely been in the backseat of a taxi where I thought that Our route was Didn't seem quite right and no at the time. This is not that recently So I didn't have the smartphone capabilities that I have now and certainly not what google maps has just rolled out But there have been incidents where I'm like, I don't know this doesn't seem quite right So having something that could send you an alert send you a notification You're really off course here whether you're driving or someone else is driving Even if you don't feel that you're in danger being in danger, of course is that that would be a huge concern But even if you felt like I just were wasting time or you know, we're confused here is is these sorts of things do come up Yeah, and I think about this. There've been a couple of times I am paranoid enough when I'm in a new city that I'm unfamiliar with I will Glue my eyes to google maps during the taxi ride Just to make sure like okay, are they heading what seems to be the right direction? But I never know if this is the right route or not Right and then there are situations at least here in los angeles where to get to the same place You could go eight or nine miles out of your way Because the traffic is less in that other way and end up being faster Yeah, this might alert me if I'm unfamiliar like hey, where are you going? This this doesn't seem right when it is in fact the right situation So how do you navigate that when the guy says? Oh, yeah, no, it's it's not the normal way But believe me this is much faster. I mean that's that's what taxi drivers say right Yeah, but google maps has also gotten pretty good at being like this looks bad on map view But this is actually the way that we want to go right now because it's 5 p.m Yeah, for sure Mozilla CEO chris beard told germanese at three T3n that the company plans to launch a paid subscription version of firefox by october Which would include features like a vpn and secure cloud storage Current firefox features would remain free, but subscriptions would offer premium features For instance, the company is thinking of offering a free amount of vpn bandwidth with more as part of a premium subscription He also mentioned secure storage Mozilla hasn't decided how many services it will offer and whether or not there'll be multiple subscriptions or just one that includes everything Yeah, this this interview is is really odd Because at least on the t3n site it says that the the press person then stepped in quickly and shut down That line of conversation even though chris beards the ceo right and was saying what he thought There are a lot of details. It sounds like that mozilla probably hasn't even decided on which is Is this just going to be the normal firefox with some subscriptions offered for vpn and storage Is it going to be a different version of firefox with these features added? It sounds like cost Well, it sounds to me like it'll probably just be your normal firefox, but they'll have some subscription features And mozilla is trying to decide should they all be one mozilla subscription or should they be a la carte? Hey, yeah, is this something we would pay for this? I I don't think that would be for a browser right, but that doesn't seem to be what he's describing in this interview Yeah, it goes above and beyond the the the browsing if if i'm someone who doesn't want to spend a lot of time vetting vpns And I trust mozilla and they've got a long history of earning that trust Uh, I might say okay. Yeah, I'll go with the vpn and and it and I generally tell people do not use free vpn, but if there was a free vpn from mozilla like there was from opera Okay, maybe that might be better Uh to use uh, especially if it's backed by a paid upgrade version rather than by ads or selling your data Which you absolutely don't want out of the vpn provider Uh, secure storage is something they're already doing with file sharing So if it just offered, you know more features for that, uh and higher higher allowances for the storage You know, I could see them building off that I do like the idea of seeing mozilla come up with alternatives to fund the development of the browser When I think you you really hit on something earlier when you said trust Uh mozilla is a company that a lot of people trust whether or not you want to trust mozilla with vpn up to you but that That definitely gives the company a big edge when Because like you said, you don't want to just like google vpn for free and go with the first result that comes up You don't want to do that. There are lots of problems with that sort of thing. So yeah, can mozilla say Can they bank on the fact that this is a company that has Uh good products, uh the company that people believe in trustworthy And and and and can offer services on top of a free service that people will pay for Yeah, has a lot to do with who they partner with and they've partnered with with reputable people in the past So hopefully they continue to do that Bloomberg business weeks. Jeff wise has a feature on underwater drones. We always hear about drones in the air How about those drones underwater? Back in november ocean infinity used a team of eight drones to discover the remains of the argentine navy sub San Juan and in february it found a korean bulk or carrier the stellar daisy Both vessels had been missing for more than a year Uh, he also mentions in this article a project called seabed 2030 Which is a joint nonprofit venture to use drones to map the entire ocean floor in the next 11 years So by 2030 you have an entire map of the ocean floor, which you may not realize We have an entire map of mars. We do not have an entire map of the earth's own ocean floor It's using the same hugan drones as ocean infinity which are made by norway's kungsberg maritime Hugans can dive up to 20 000 feet for 72 hours at a time Using a bunch of sensors including sonar. It can also send and process a lot of Large amounts of data, which even five years ago you couldn't do among the benefits of increased mapping data are current Current direction. So, you know where the currents are going. You can map that better and A lot of things that are fundamental to understanding the climate We're going to find so many Undersea worlds with these underwater drones So you're thinking aquaman is what that's what you think one can hope Yeah, it's funny. You you do think of drones. Yeah, they're gonna fly overhead They're gonna deliver packages and burritos and all sorts of stuff for us and Wifi internet, right? But but the but the underwater drones and the fact that there have been some really cool Excavation missions that have already taken place Is it's fascinating and especially because you're right There's a lot about the underwater sea worlds that we still don't know whether it's wreckage or creatures or or yes patterns of Seed life and I don't know the list goes on. Yeah, there's all kinds of scientific data That we we could make much better use of Think of the the recent airline crashes like mh370 from Malaysian Airlines where they just couldn't find Wreckage eventually they found some washed up on a shore, but it's just incredibly difficult I don't think any of us have a real conception of how vast the ocean is If you had these drones back then you might have had a better chance Now years later. Uh, yeah, maybe they'll they'll find more evidence of that, but it's likely that it has been dispersed Widely and degraded enough that it gets harder and harder all the time But now we have these so in future looking For evidence like that is important finding scientific data is important And you we we explore mars with with essentially drones right with remote control robots It's really costly to get them there. These aren't cheap You know, these are tens of millions of dollars to create but the ocean's right there, right? It's a lot cheaper to get to the ocean than it is to get to mars Ah I love it. I do. Yeah Some Marines not really enough. We need these drones. Uh, let's uh, let's explore our own ocean. Shall we also while we do it We should be alert Tom and roger I've got good news razor is entering the performance enhancing drinks market Oh, dear with something called respawn. Okay. Yeah respawn all caps a drink containing 95 Uh milligrams, which is kind of the low end of a cup of coffee But it's it's you know, it's it's a jolt of caffeine per serving Produced in flavor powder packets that you mix in with water Costs is $24.99 for a box of 20 You also could get a branded mixer bottle for another 30 bucks If you wanted that the verge notes that while the company claims its packets add to increased alertness and focused and enhanced concentration The marketing team didn't actually spell concentration Oh, yeah, respawn comes in tropical pineapple blue raspberry pomegranate watermelon. Bluh and green apple Wait tropical pineapple. Is there another kind of pineapple? They're on city pineapple Urban pineapple. Yeah, also blue raspberry feels like an unnecessary distinction Except that they colored it blue because raspberry flavorings probably just raspberry flavoring. Yeah, I've always wondered that about blue raspberry why is there I gotta be blue but uh Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's it's listen energy drinks. Some people are huge fans of energy drinks Uh, I probably I'm not gonna put razor respawn powder in my water But uh in a pinch. I don't know. Maybe you need a little pick me up or maybe some coffee Yeah, on the one hand, it's it's incredibly smart of razor the gaming brand Has a lot of cache to to come up with another way to sell some stuff to gamers that they they probably have a decent margin on And yet it's e3 and I think people expect to see products from razor at e3 Not drink. What about the branded mixer bottle tom? True. It is a a bargain at $30. I'm sure Yeah It mixes your water and your powder for you. Well folks I know you have lots to say about this particular story if any of you get The drink and want to send us a a taste test review. Please do feedback at daily tech news show dot com Get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes at daily tech headlines dot com. Let's talk about microsoft They had their big announcement in fact kind of the only big announcement to be at e3 this year will be microsoft Sony's not presenting at e3 Nintendo never does they do nintendo direct and they they stream it to their booth at e3 But they don't actually do it from onstage e3 this year was almost entirely about titles Um, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're going to talk about some of the best titles later in the week But microsoft did spend some time talking about hardware and services in its announcement on sunday So hardware wise the successor to the xbox one project scarlet did not get another name It's still known as project scarlet. Remember the xbox one was project scorpio. This is project scarlet It'll probably get its new name next e3 because they did say it will go on sale for the holiday 2020 season So again, not a release date, but we know okay 2020 and a 2020 before december sometime it'll go on sale some some details gddr6 ram A new generation of solid state drive that they'll use as virtual ram to give you even more memory promised 40 times performance increase in data bus bandwidth custom amd processor with zen 2 and radian r dna to architecture Which is promised to be four times as powerful as the xbox one x supporting 8k 124 frames or i'm sorry 120 frames per second variable refresh rate And real-time hardware accelerated ray tracing so That will make the nvidia bet on ray tracing a little bit of a better bet if if suddenly ray tracing is being on your console as well They say your games your achievements your progression your accessories and your console experience with xbox all comes forward with scarlet So they're trying to make it sound like backwards compatibility won't be an issue I'm sure it'll be an issue in some situations, but they're going to try to make it as little of an issue as possible All right before we get to project xcloud in the xbox game pass announcements roger What do you think of project scarlet with what little we know so far? From what little we know in many respects It's very similar to what sony was offering for their next generation playstation now. What's interesting is they're talking about a new SSD technology that can act as virtual ram a lot of people have been pointing out something similar to intel's optane nvm nvme Solid state technology to basically Give the bandwidth that you need the rest of it is very interesting 8k comma 120 Frames per second variable fresh rate probably means they're probably aiming for 120 20 frames per second on 4k with ak Maybe somewhere around there like a halo ago, but probably not going to be achievable You know it's still too early to tell but it looks like they they wanted to release this announcement to at least match What sony announced about their forthcoming playstation? PlayStation console although i'm not being pretty cagey about it right so it's not hard to do this And it's also a very interesting note that amd is helping both again this time around Halo infinite was also announced as a launch title for project scarlet whenever it launches Let's get into the services xbox game pass ultimate launched out of beta to everyone So the plans that you can get From xbox for your pc or your xbox are as follows for ten dollars a month More than a hundred pc games for your pc. That's xbox game pass pc If you want to console ten dollars a month more than a hundred xbox games for the xbox game pass console games now separately if you want to play xbox online multiplayer games you need xbox live goal That's ten dollars a month However, there is a combination of xbox live gold with xbox game pass console games and xbox game pass pc called xbox game pass ultimate That's fifteen dollars a month which you pay close to thirty dollars a month if you've got each of them separately So they're giving you about half off The conversion ratio will apply if you're already a subscriber Let's say to xbox game pass and xbox live gold you can convert to xbox game pass ultimate And they'll take what months you have left on your existing subscriptions and convert them into credit For xbox game pass ultimate. So if you have any Codes or or credits that you need to apply you want to do that before You switch to subscribing to xbox game pass ultimate And they made a tiny announcement about project xcloud, which is a separate thing That's that's xbox's streaming game platform the xbox game pass is about downloading a game and having it on either your console Or your pc xcloud goes into preview this october In the preview it will give you the ability to stream games from your xbox To your pc your mobile devices, etc It won't be demonstrating the cloud service yet That's yet to come Although project xcloud will eventually stream from microsoft data centers to pc's console And mobile devices but to start in october It will just take games that you have on your xbox and give you the ability to stream them to Whatever you want mobile device pc, etc I'm gonna say I was really more excited about this ultimate game pass offer that they that they did just because Um, if you're if I have an xbox Uh and pc and pc gamer You do save a bundle on it and especially since gold, you know with gold lie xbox live gold Being with 60 bucks a year. I mean if you can kind of consolidate that stuff And I think this is what they were doing was just trying to push people to this ultimate pass anyway All right, it's a pretty good deal. I mean, I probably won't be able to take advantage until my kids quit harassing me when I have downtime But when they're older and I can sit down for an hour or so this this looks like a very compelling option Uh, it still remains to be seen what the 100 pc games are If there are a bunch of crap titles probably not as interesting, but I doubt that's what they'll do In the xcloud, you know, I'll I'll give it a whirl just to see how well it works on my spotty network at home Yeah, I mean and and if people are some people in the chat room are still kind of confused right now It's it's pretty to me. It seems pretty simple You've got xbox live to play online and xbox game pass to download And play games and if you want to combine them, it's $15 a month Yeah A part of it is they it's kind of like uh apple on itunes. They put the they put the the xbox and everything and it's kind of It does kind of yeah, exactly If you don't have an xbox you just get uh, you can still get xbox game pass ultimate That'll give you the online play with the pc games or you just get xbox game pass pc and just just play the the pc versions of the games But uh, but yeah, uh, I you know honestly I was not that blown away by this the xbox game pass changes seem like great changes It makes it makes the ultimate pass, uh, almost impossible to turn down if you're a gamer all the rest of the details I'm like, okay. That's part of your details, but Where we will decide whether it's a good new xbox where we will decide if project xcloud Is a really good streaming service is yet to be announced We didn't get any of the determining factors yet And I and I think a lot of this has to do with you know, they're still working on it But also trying to see what everyone else has up their sleeve, right? You don't want to give away Too much or reveal Things that might change down the road when you see what someone else has announced It's like, oh, maybe we can redo that. We'll stop time to change some of the marketing Yeah Thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit gaming news there as well as lots of other news stories You can submit stories of your own and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com If you hang out on facebook join our group if you haven't already facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, let's check in with chris christensen the amateur traveler who has a tip for powering your technology on your next travel This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute A new device has made it into my travel bag And I just used it on the trip that I did to africa and that is a travel power strip surge protector So this is a small power strip small enough to still fit in your backpack I'm using device by upway that has four usb outlets as well as two regular outlets You're still going to need a plug to plug it in no matter where you go in the world But the advantage of this one is that it does voltage all the way from 100 volts up to 240 volts What you don't want to do is take a us surge protector to most of the rest of the world That uses a higher voltage because that will fry it this device won't convert voltage So if you're bringing your hair straightener your hair dryer You still are probably going to need a voltage converter A travel power strip can help you in the hotel when they hide the plugs or also in the airports When there are just too few places to plug in i'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Thank you chris always always a pain trying to figure out voltage conversion like talk about make it a standard worldwide standard I know it would be almost impossible to get countries because no country's going to want to change their standard, right? Right, but man, that would that would be nice if someday we could all just travel wherever we want and just plug stuff in Let's be kind of except for the voltage problem, right? usb could be that standard that everybody switched to but you still have the different voltage delivery going on yeah Thank you chris. Uh, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it So in a dts special, uh tom talked with yael eisenstad a policy advisor at the center for humane technology And and got a lot of good feedback. Um, we the you the two of you were talking about social disruptions and Who's to blame who needs to fix what is broken and one of the responses we got Uh, we'll we'll go ahead and and and not leave their name because they say first a disclaimer I work at google I don't speak for them that works at google So I have a definite bias on the question of who is responsible for the alleged harms of technology Ms. Eisenstadt made the claim that smart people should be able to solve these problems But I argue you can't even define the problems. I know it when I see it doesn't work in software You need to be able to quantify exactly what harms you're trying to avoid and what the mechanism of those harms is Saying the tech companies have smart people. They should fix it It's exactly as effective as saying god should make our world better If you don't know exactly what it is or how it could be made better Don't ask engineers to try and solve it for you because we can't do it Ask the scientists to understand it first then we might be able to come up with a solution The tech companies are engineering organizations It's like asking food producers to make food safer without understanding germ theory They could spend lots of money and effort on it and believe me they are but nothing good will happen Except by luck until the problems are understood Yeah, this is a great point. Uh, and I know uh, yeah I'll got a little excited about like listen I'm not the person who knows how to fix it But I think the companies have a responsibility to help fix it at the end And I'm sure that's what's that off someone who works at google understandably But it's still a really good point of we do need to define what the harms are and measure The effect of the harms and that is one thing that I wish I had asked her anyway, except when in my pre interview She said yeah, I I don't have much to tell you about the measurement side of things So really what that interview was about was sort of saying how do we determine? How do we get to the point that our our google employee here is saying? We need to then have the conversation about how do we define the harms and how do we measure Whether they are harms and if so how harmful they are so a great second Uh, a great number of questions that I think you should have at the end of that interview for sure Thanks for writing in. 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