 It's a miracle of technology. A new hope from CES. Patrick Norton and Jenny Josephson have once again pulled off the impossible. We found bandwidth. Knocks on wood. Where did you find it? On my phone. So I'm going to chew through a gigabit in the next 40 minutes probably. Right. Well, maybe we should get the show going. It's all good. I'm up to 15 gigabytes now. And it's an expense. I need to make this expense. You know, I had to keep bumping up my limit. And then when I finally looked in to figure out why, it was because my mom had installed a bingo app that was eating up the data. And we're on a family plan. Should I elevate my camera since it's down here and try to not have the up-the-nose cam? If you can, yeah. Look at that. Teamwork. What's gonna work? Whoa. Now we have keyboard view. That's actually kind of cool. I like it. All right. Well, video viewers, hope you enjoyed that. We're going to do the show now. The tech awakens. Actually, I haven't seen the chat room. Release the tech. Release the Kraken. You ready, Scott? You ready, Jenny? Oh, yes. Jenny's ready. I heard that. I heard that. All right. I think she was waving and looking at me unexpectedly, but I was too stupid to figure it out. Here we go. Without advertising, your radio station would sound like this. Without your support on patreon.com, the Daily Tech News show would sound like this. We thank you for your support. DailyTechnewshow.com forward slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, January 5th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today as he does most Wednesdays back in the New Year. Mr. Scott Johnson, how are you? I'm fine. I really missed you while you were gone. It was weird. Me, too. I had a presentation with Tom Merritt talking about all the tech, so I'm really glad to be here. The news is so bright this week from CES. I'm wearing gunners. Yeah. I'm wearing those new Oakleys that Intel is partnering with or something. There's a million smart glasses. In fact, to help us wade through the thigh-high pile of products at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Mr. Patrick Norton is joining us, who by hook or by crook has found bandwidth. How did you do it, Patrick? I'm not saying because if anybody hears me, they'll jump in and then I'll drop off the podcast and Jenny will beat me to death with the nearest heavy object. Secret bandwidth. It was an impressive team effort. That's all I'm going to say. Big thanks to Jenny Josephson, who's at CES as well. Got to rub elbows with the FAA earlier and all kinds of cool stuff. And didn't get arrested. Not yet. Well, I stayed within my designated airspace. Under 400 feet, outside of an airport. You filed a flight plan, registered yourself. A smart move. So anyway, we are going to go through a bunch of the CES headlines. We're going to talk about some of the things that Patrick has seen, some of the things Jenny has seen, some of the things Scott and I have seen from the outside, and try to help you figure out what are the significant things coming out of day one of CES, which Patrick, as we all know, day one means that the show is pretty much over now. Well, it's funny. It used to be the show was pretty much over by day one, but it seems like so much dogpiles news was on day one that companies are spreading out their product announcements. But the reality is, if you talk to somebody like Robert Herron or somebody like Sasha Sagan over at PC Mag, they knew everything that was coming and had most of their articles written a week ago, a month ago, days ago, and then come here to do meetings and actually visually inspect the products that they already got the press releases on. You know, I don't know, it's crowded and people are happy and at the Intel keynote, Gary Shapiro, the man of the CTA and CES. Basically, this is the largest one they've ever had in the history of CES. It's huge. It is everywhere. You cannot get away from it anywhere in Las Vegas, except for the double down saloon. I would like to think that Robert and Sasha got enough advanced knowledge that they were able to kick back at the double down saloon, but I'm betting that's still not the case. I was in a Sasha probability. Oops, sorry. I was just going to ask you, when you say that they've got all these press releases way ahead of time, everybody kind of knows what's on the table and they get there and inspect and have a lot of meetings, but do you get the sense at all that there's still something somebody's holding back? Do we have any kind of concrete ideas of who that might be and when we might hear it? There's always something else coming out. I mean, there's always announcements at the show. There's always stuff that people don't pre-announce. Something like Robert Herron who's worked intimately with every HDTV manufacturer for a decade. There's a huge relationship there, so there's lots of information going, but there's always things you don't expect to see. Like I was mocking LG and Samsung. They're going to have everything from cell phones to dishwashers. I actually saw a washing machine I was really excited about from Samsung. There's always new stuff coming out. There's always secret stuff. There's always an opportunity to see products in real life that you've only seen pictures of. There's always some company you've never heard of out of nowhere that's doing something really interesting in your area. That's why you're here and taking meetings or just running around the show floor looking at all the shiny new objects. There is so much stuff, so let's take a look at some of the more significant ones in the headlines. Robots that serve drinks, Cortana showing up in Cyanogen on a OnePlus phone, LETV, the company that's funding Faraday Future Motors, putting out a Snapdragon 820-powered fablet, but here are what we think are the most significant stories. Netflix had its keynote at CES and ended by launching its service in 130 more countries, meaning almost everyone on earth can get it unless they live in China, North Korea, Syria, or Crimea. Netflix also added support for Arabic, Korean, and simplified and traditional Chinese. Further languages are still in development, and Netflix and LG are partnering to offer prepaid access to Netflix. So if you live in a place where maybe it's not as easy to just subscribe with a credit card as in other places, you can do the prepaid plan. We also got new sizzle trailers for Netflix Originals, The Crown, which is about the life, especially the early life of Elizabeth II, starring Matt Smith as Philip, and The Get Down, which is about the rise of disco culture in the Bronx and New York City in the mid-70s. I love that these two titles could not have less to do with one another. It's a nice show of diversity. I would like them to be one show called The Crown and The Get Down, where Queen Elizabeth has taught the moves of disco. That'd be fantastic. Oculus opened up pre-orders for the Oculus Rift Wednesday morning, as expected. Scott bought his this morning for $5.99. My fault. I apologize. It's okay. You drove me to what I was probably driving to anyway and probably got it a month earlier than I would have. Anyway, the $5.99 is what you're going to pay, and you're going to get the headset. This is US dollars. The headset, Xbox One controller, and an Oculus remote and a place in line for the touch controller pre-orders. Now, they have a little disclaimer on there saying these may not come to market at all. All you're doing is reserving a little slot in there because the FCC still has to prove them. Let's see what else you're going to get with the thing. Comes with Lucky's Tale. We talked about that this morning on TMS. Access to Eve Valkyrie. That is a launch day product for them. That's what I'm very excited about. A promise of more than 100 titles available by the end of the year. This includes Minecraft, kind of a system seller, some would say. Bundles include including a Rift and Oculus Ready PC will be available in February for $14.99. That's $1,499. Shipping to 20 countries. Started at, this happens on March 28th, and that date has slipped and slipped and slipped. Mine says May. I'd heard from somebody just a few minutes ago that told me June or July. If you're not in already, you better hurry before 2016 is gone. The debate that starts with who's going to buy this thing is all of those people. Now, obviously, we don't know how many they're producing, but the date seems to be slipping rather fast. People are definitely buying them. Was there also a story that if you had been on the original Kickstarter for Oculus that you would be able to buy one of these or get one of these? You could get one for free. That's pretty awesome. They're just going to ship it to you as to confirm your shipping address with them. You had to be at the $250 level, which is the level you needed to get the developer kit or more. You're doing it right by people. What do you guys think of $599? I think even more significantly is the idea that they'll get you an Oculus Ready PC and the Rift for an additional $15-6, $900. A $900 Oculus Ready PC seems like a deal. It's not bad. The video card we know needs to be GeForce970 or greater. One would assume that this box is going to ship with at least that. That's a $399 card right now. I'm relatively impressed. You've built a lot of PCs from nothing, Patrick. You can do a lot with $900, but this still seems like a pretty good deal. No, I think it's a really good deal. There's still a lot of people who don't want to build their own PC, which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to being like, I'm going to go to PC Parts Picker and I'm going to get yelled at because I want to buy that GPU and not this GPU because that GPU is bundled with a game that I don't want. Basically, or if you're a developer or if you have kids just to have the box show up and be able to use it, given the number of $3,000 gaming PCs I've seen in the last 24 hours, which is three more than I expected to see at all at CES, there's obviously people who have no problem with creating overpriced PCs. $900 sounds really, really reasonable. I just want titles. As soon as Minecraft ships, it's game over for like half the potential audience, but I'm really curious to see how many games come out or how many any things come out because that was the big thing about the Oculus demo last year. It was the first time that, A, I didn't immediately start getting queasy within the first two minutes and, B, they went beyond sort of like, the demos were just so radically different in so many interesting ways. Now I want to see some of those things turn into actual end-user applications or products or whatever we want to call it, showing up and being usable. And even more than games, I'm very excited to see. We've talked about this on the show before, but it feels like Oculus may be more than HTC, Vive and Valve, and maybe more than any PlayStation. They seem to be less focused on making sure this is a premier gaming device or that platform to build games for and more focused on what else can we do with it. And in a way, that gives them an edge, even if this price ends up being hard to everybody else or whatever, I think they've got a real chance to do unique stuff that isn't just AM in a spaceship. Well, my running joke was like I had a complete lack of filtration moment when somebody's like, I don't understand why Facebook bought Oculus Rift and I was like, virtual makeouts. And just the room, like the dinner stopped for like 30 seconds, you know, like you could hear the cat licking itself in the other room in the house, like it was that quiet. And people are like, well, kids do that? I just stared and everybody thought about being a teenager and the conversation eventually resumed on a completely different topic that everybody mutually agreed on. But it's like, I was just, as soon as I saw Facebook, all I could think was like teenagers and virtual hookups. And everybody's gonna think that, you know, really Snapchat wasn't all that bad after all. And diversification. I mean, I'm sure there will be a, I know there will be a Facebook app for Oculus Rift, but that's not, that's not the main reason to have it. The main reason to have it is that the Oculus takes off and becomes a really successful product and allows Facebook to have two very successful divisions and arguably three, if you count Instagram. Or what's app four? Or what's app four? Yeah. So they seem so much more focused on an ecosystem, which has proved to be an enormous cash cow for the likes of Apple and others who have created a platform and then supporting a structure and ecosystem that make it awesome. And I think they want that. It appears to me that they want that more than anything what they're doing with Gear VR and what we know is coming with Oculus Prime seems to me like, like that's the notion they're going with. And if that's the case, I think that's ultimately whether we know it or not what we want because we want to be able to say, well, how am I justifying this $599 thing with this 360 degree movie with this weird pre animated thing with these games I got, like all of this diversity is what will win the day for them if they, you know, if they're serious about this and clearly they are. Intel CEO, Brian Krizanich gave the CES opening keynote last night by rolling in on what is often referred to as a hover board, though it doesn't actually hover, which he revealed can transform into a personal robot part of an open platform coming to developers in the second half of 2016. It's also one of several products using Intel's RealSense 3D camera, including the unique spelled Y-U-N-E-E-C, unique typhoon H-U-A-V. So it's a drone. There's an augmented reality daiquiri smart helmet with thermal vision so you can see in through walls that things like pipes that's coming in Q1 2016. The Ion VR mobile headset that works with smartphones does some some VR of its own shipping early this year, but it also has the RealSense 3D cameras on it. We also saw radar pace smart glasses in partnership with Oakley and a smart sports watch from New Balance and finally Intel promised to increase diversity in its own workforce and plans to help Vox media and some other folks combat online harassment. There you go. Did you see this robot's thing hoverboard thing? Patrick, I'm curious about that. How did that... Well, it's a segway. That's a robot, essentially. There's a really sort of painful emotional moment where I was like, oh no. It feels very early. It feels very raw in the sense that the guy... When they're using it as a segway, it's like fast and high speed and amazing and then it goes into robot mode and it's very kind of like picking its way along like a two-year-old trying to figure out where and the dangerous things under the cabinet are. That sort of... So it seems very, very early. They attached arms to it which was very, very exciting for the developer. I thought it was really cool seeing... They had the crazy little curie processors and they were announcing like partnerships with Red Bull and ESPN where they're taking... This is one of the wristbands they gave to everybody in the audience. So it's an incredible tiny power sipping system and what they were doing was mapping in real time like BMX tricks. So kids were leaping from ramp to ramp and it was actually identifying the trick in real time, the speed, the G-forces, the vector of the movement and everything and then they had a whole video that Red Bull put together for the X Games. So I thought it was really interesting to watch the remote sensors. That was more interesting to me than the robots and the same sensors being used or the same processors being used in those radar-paced smart glasses and they did a very highly produced video with like the three-time winner of the Iron Man triathlon where it was coaching him in real time and where it was monitoring all of his Bluetooth sensors and then telling him his pace is too fast, his pace is too slow, monitoring his training in real time and actually monitoring all of his heartbeat, his respiration as best as could. I thought that was really fascinating to watch an actual physical product that's going to ship and actually do that kind of monitoring because data plus analysis equals a plan that you can execute on and that was really cool. Yeah, a flashy robot on stage I guess is impressive but it's more impressive I think to see products that are near ready that are doing things. Yeah, or just watching the kids on the bicycles like they launched tricks and it was dumping all of the data in real time and that was really fascinating. Then they took the same processor and put them on a parkour enthusiast and it was amazing to watch him, that was part of the Red Bull thing, watch him do these amazing flips running and jumping and seeing like how many G's is he hitting with, what is he doing, identifying the movements they're doing in real time, that was fascinating to me. So maybe my inner esports enthusiast, extreme sports enthusiast.esports but then esports in it too and Bollywood extravaganza numbers, it was a little unhinged even for a CES presentation. We all have Samsung like, it sounds like. Yeah, it does Samsung and also everyone's got a little Tony Hawk in them so don't worry about it. App chat, speaking of a company that will probably have an app for VR at some point, that's my prediction. Snapchat is shutting down its lens store on Friday. This is only two months after the launch. Remember this was the rash of vines and Instagram you saw come out that they'd pull these things out of Snapchat and it was people with clown faces or throwing up rainbows or whatever, it was that stuff. Anyway, it's only been two months as the lenses that let you do these funny things are going away and instead they are, I guess these videos showed up with rotating 10 lenses but Snapchat says they're going to focus on its ad business, including sponsored lenses. So lenses aren't necessarily going away but they will likely come perhaps in a different monetized form. Well yeah, you get a certain amount of free lenses every day and then you have to pay for the ones like the Rainbow Vomit which is excellent, right? So you want to pay 99 cents to own that one and what they're doing is they're saying, well, you know, we'll just have 10 free ones every day and they're going to sell those. They sell them for hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes close to a million dollars for a day to have a branded lens in there. So if people are using them, they might as well just give them to them for free and if you bought the Rainbow Vomit, you get to keep it and they say they won't put it in the free rotation right away so you still get some benefit of having paid your 99 cents for that or any of the ones, not just the Rainbow Vomit. Yeah, you know, if there's one thing you can say about 2015, we paid way too much for Rainbow Vomit. Yeah, the price of Rainbow Vomit is coming down in 2016. It's also my least favorite pretty pony or whatever it is. The CES Fridge Dex number is ramping up with Samsung's official announcement of its Tizen-powered refrigerator. We knew you wanted to know the details on this. An app from Mastercard is included on the fridge, lets you order groceries right from the 21.5 inch screen on the fridge door. It can combine carts from multiple services, starting with FreshDirect and Shoprite with more stores to come. Screen can mirror a Samsung Smart TV cameras take pictures of the contents inside the fridge so you don't have to open the door to see how much milk is left and you have speakers that can play music or even send music to other Bluetooth speakers. Coming to the U.S. in May, no price announced yet. Wow, I mean that did Patrick correct me if I'm wrong but that feels like poster child CES product, does it not? It is a poster child CES product. It was, I will say first of all the Samsung Presser was much more contained in the past. It was very fast moving for Samsung. It didn't have a whole lot of bizarre moments in the sense of trying to force celebrity craziness in there. I actually looked at this and all I could think of was like this is the refrigerator that everyone with a Tesla is going to buy because it has an even bigger screen. It's the first refrigerator that had the Internet of Things connection that I didn't look at it and be like that's completely useless because essentially it's a decent computer in the front of the screen and it's got a decent screen on it. I'm curious to see what the Samsung applications are going to be like. The picture, I want to make fun of the pictures inside the fridge but it's the closest to a useful weird feature on a CES fridge that I've ever seen at this point because you know whether you're not be able to see anything it's just hysterical that you can like monitor your food or find out if the light, oh wait the light won't be off because it has- The light stays on it takes a picture and then turns the light off. Yeah so and then you can just look at the most recent picture because presumably gnomes are not getting in and messing with it so your food will still be in the same state it was. I like the idea. Although mold might be growing. I mean and this might be something Scott you can jump in on the idea of you know now I just want to glue a tablet to my cheap ass refrigerator from Costco because yeah I was all I could think was like I can give my kids control of the music or some basic sort of ability to post things or move things around. It's so close to be an actual usable product like the Samsung ad wash I was in love with it's a front-loading refrigerator with a door and you can pull open the door and throw in like the missing pair of underwear that your kids- You mean laundry it's a laundry. Laundry sorry it is laundry washing you know it is a laundry machine it is a washing machine for your clothes and you can pop you know you can pop the front of it open this little porthole in the front of it and throw in that last thing you want to stuff in there and that to me like I want to make fun of that but literally in the last three weeks of a half dozen times I've had to stop you know the washing machine wait for it to you know release the security lock on the door and throw something else in I can't mock it it's an actual thing I want and and and I just have a six-month-old washing machine so I'm ruined I'm just I'm devastated that I can't buy the new washing machine it'll probably like but it'll be glorious these are the things that make these things useful and so I think that some of that stuff's gonna flush out as they get cooler and into more homes but the thing about the fridge and other integrated systems like this that I don't think I'm on board with and you could probably have a whole show about this so I don't know much one but it's an interesting topic like having a big 21.5 inch screen probably the size flat screen you remember seeing at a very early CES right early coverage as a TV but now is in our fridges but having this integration in there being able to order straight out of there and all of that I think it's cool but it requires you to be I hate the term walled garden but it requires you to be in Samsung's configuration yes I wish that's the nightmare yeah what I want is like give me a great fridge that's an internet of things fridge that I can attach a tablet to let me take you want app link you want app link for fridges yes right an open platform that anyone can develop their app for and hook into so that then you can just have your app you master card can make that app you can put it on your android device and then just integrate it into your fridge that would be amazing and also not have it be an obscure operating system it's not going to be updated in 18 months so that it'll slowly become more and more well ties in fans are coming for you or you find bring it I'll go meet you in the parking lot me and Jenny got backs bring it I guess what I'm saying is it just seems like modular is the better way to go my brother-in-law that just what just maxed out his house in home automation but none of it gets torn out by a piece and upgraded it's the entire thing or nothing and that drives me slightly insane so when I see things like this I just think it's a little too integrated give me separation but maybe maybe I don't in all seriousness I don't mind to be in ties in as long as it's interoperable with other devices yeah I don't care what I'm reading over time yeah it's yeah it's I'm told Scott you're you're on it I mean and that's kind of the thing we're seeing so many things that are so much more open at CES this year in terms of internet of things but there's still so much there's so much stupid between you and the simple achievable results you'd like for your home automative in a mirror it's just it's so close a good show title in there somewhere Tom don't forget that one the internet of stupid Casio announced a new rugged android wear watch called the WSD-F10 boy that really rolls off your tongue it features LCD slash LED touch screen one day battery life which is pretty good rugged case and band an internal altimeter a barometer a compass this all ships in spring for 500 US dollars everybody trying to get in I said I have seen sure a lot of wearable talk and the Casio was a big deal yesterday when I was watching this stuff and they they're known for making the hiking watch now you know the rugged the ruggedized watches so making a smart watch is a logical move and I think people who want to take this kind of thing out on a hike with them might be excited about it issue is 24 hour battery life if you're really into trekking you may be out for more than 24 hours you're going to want something that's got more battery life than that I think french tech company withings unveiled the 69 dollar coin shaped go activity tracker features an eink display with up to eight months of battery life now we're talking the go track steps distance running sleep and swimming strokes and automatically switches monitoring between them to water resistant up to five atmospheres that's about 50 meters underwater data is shared with the withings health mate app for either android or ios and will be available q1 2016 the withings go seems all right on the injectables not well at one point okay so that brings up a good point if you get an injectable and it's doing all this tracking for you and you want to go let's say six atmospheres below the surface your injectable pop out and explode your artery or something like that right we all have those in us they'll scare me a little bit scare you because you haven't had one yet diving that load doesn't apparently scare him but having one of these inside of him good point i mean i'm all about trackers and me walking into a store and having to go oh it's scott johnson and he has bought these things and he can just walk out of here and and it's all paid for like i'm all into that implantable bring it i just don't want the one that's going to pop the off chance that i ever care about diving deep i don't know i think they're all going to be wired to explode if we irritate somebody at the corporate level but that's the optimist in me good point uh microsoft will end support for i uh i e at eight nine and ten if that's internet explorer for those not in the know this is next tuesday i know right on january twelfth a final patch release will fix a few bugs and encourage users to upgrade to i eat eleven or microsoft edge according to the next web the nag screen will be bypassed in uh enterprise versions of the registry eleven is the latest supported version of i e eight nine and ten gone on can be bypassed if you do a registry had well sure yeah you guys yeah they're just it's by default in the enterprise stuff right but yeah the microsoft clean and house and then microsoft edge had a little dip in uh adoption recently and that's no surprise because of the number of enterprises uh that use internet explorer so i wonder if this getting rid of eight nine and ten will at least move more consumers over to edge or whether people will go i e eleven be interesting to see yeah these are all on machines that haven't been updated in the last five years yeah uh wires any greenberg has an excellent write-up of a cryptography project from david shawm discussed at real world crypto conference at stanford on wednesday the system is called private integrity uses a new kind of mix network and david shawm is a guy who coined the term mixed network and invented a lot of the ways of doing mix network cryptography uh uses a mix network with nine servers and is hoped to be more secure and efficient than tor or itp it allows on the other hand a sort of a back door decryption that would be used to stop criminals if and only if all nine server administrators agreed to cooperate and the idea would be to put the nine servers under the control of different organizations in nine different parts of the world an alpha version of private integrity is in development for android as an instant messaging app and is hoped to come out q1 2016 highly encourage you if you're into this sort of thing to go read the full wired article because it's not as nuts as it sounds if there is a way to offer some sort of of third party decryption this is certainly the most reasonable version i've heard because getting nine people to agree on anything is is a problem the question is can you get the right nine people to set this up can you get enough people using it etc etc but there's also the fact it's going to be if it's nine different countries then they have the privacy laws in nine different countries to deal with which if you pick a random sampling of european countries is much more serious than say anywhere in the united states right now well and the netherlands just said we're not going to legislate backdoor so there you go one put one in the netherlands tech crunch reports its sources say facebook has given select developers access to an unannounced cat sdk to build helpful bots and messenger and for things like shopping travel and more you can use these bots for information to buy things whatever you need that's the idea so you remember m right which was facebook's project to create the the all bot this seems to be a competition to that but i think the idea is to get lots of people using messenger to ask information and and go with helpful bots might make m more palatable when it finally becomes available to everybody that is in a celebrity del announced new models for enterprise and its latitude ultra book and infinity edge display lines one new display grabbing attention is the ultra sharp 24 and 23 inch wireless monitors they use miracast and can display content from a windows laptop and an android mobile device at the same time they'll be available mark 31 starting at four hundred sixty nine dollars and four hundred twenty nine dollars respectively or you could drop four thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars on the ultra sharp 30 which doesn't have the wireless sync thing but it is an OLED ultra hd 4k display yeah i'd like i really like l displays lately these sound nice oh all right i love the idea this is a classic ces product by the way the thing that it's like oh you can do android and windows laptop wireless on one display and then you try to think of the use cases for that all i want to know is is at that price if it's one of their ultra sharp monitors if it's you know 2560 by 1440 um then it's a deal for the screen quality the 4k one you mean yeah well the forty ones way out of my league but the the 24 and 23 inch ones oh for four hundred sixty nine dollars yeah that is a steal you're right you know that's that's that's i just want to see if they're you know if they're high resolution then i don't care i don't so much about mirror cast and android i just want to get a decent monitor at an amazing price so yeah hunger for the new monitors yeah i don't know what it is but there's i'm at that i'm at a weird place where i'm ready for whatever's next and monitors and um i'm hoping that whatever's next isn't extremely expensive and i know 4k is moment i'm fine with my crt so i don't know you guys yeah you and your big that thing's good that thing's making you shrink if you know what i'm saying uh next up twitter has missed a deadline oh my gosh they were supposed to pay 150 thousand lira this was a fine that's 50 000 us dollars by the way levied by the btk communications technology authority for not removing content the turkish government called quote terrorist propaganda unquote writers reports turkeys transport minister i'm going to say his name right here there you go says the government will not give up its demand that was totally my voice and not prerecorded well said yeah uh yeah just the latest in in in the ongoing fights between turkey and all social networks over what gets published and who's responsible for it uh but it looks like turkey's not going to let it drop and twitter is not going to pay it so we'll see what happens next general motors unveiled the fully electric chevy volt today it's a real car not a concept built on its own architecture not borrowed from another car has a range of more than 200 miles price of about 30 000 that's after a 7500 us tax credit also has a 10.2 inch touch screen pops up customized setups based on which i which phone is connected by bluetooth so it knows your different drivers uh the companion app sinks through bluetooth lte and a ble connection with up to 100 yards of range it can charge within uh 80 full charge within an hour and it's gamified with leaderboards so all of your friends who have volt can compete with you on things like miles per charge and etc etc 2017 bolt ev will be in production this year too they're actually going to make it that leaderboard thing is weird to me i don't know why i mean i'm all about gamifying most everything in my life but that's weird well it's only weird because how many of your friends are going to have a volt yeah i mean i get it if you know patrick's got a mobile phone i've got a mobile phone we both happen to have the same stupid game we play and we both check to see who's out of each other it makes sense because we're in some sort of shared connective space but with the car unless everyone buys a volt i don't know maybe you know they i mean it is possible the vote could be the next Volkswagen bug and everybody wants one and and before not a 37 thousand dollars before taxes true but it could be like you know i don't know i'm thinking of things like apple to e uh netx back in the late 70s early 80s they were like have their groups and they were all hanging out newsletters and everything and you kind of create a community like that maybe that's what they're hoping with that that's it's i don't know straight i i've done a bunch of automotive apps and and and like obd2 connected devices lately and everybody's trying to do this sort of like you know leaderboard competition gamify you're going to be more eco and you're going to compete with your friends and they're going to be notified every time you drive somewhere and it's all really kind of creepy and it all seems really really forced because they want to be social because being on facebook is going to make the car more famous and everybody's going to want a chevy bolt because their friend is a chevy bolt they posted a new update on facebook they like use the least amount of electricity ever it's just it's a weird sort of marketing social angle that i don't particularly see is being particularly useful well no because it's it's not all cars if every car could do this like oh you just buy this little thing to shove it in your obd port uh and be on the leaderboard then it might have a chance of working i i don't think everybody would do it but it could get some critical mass or enthusiast but when you only have it within single car models right maybe something like tesla where people are very enthusiastic it can work and i guess that's what chevy is hoping for is that volt users will be so enthusiastic they'll all bond together and do this yeah it's entirely possible i'm not taking bets on it but it's it's it's a thing that everywhere in automotive i turn around that somebody's got some new way of comparing yourself to other people in a way that's fundamentally ridiculous for the product now finally uh before we wrap up here we joke sometimes that every year we see the same thing shown at ces you know here's the tv's here's the new smartphone uh but two items are pushing the boundaries this year and they're pretty cool panasonic announced details of a new techniques turntable bringing back the 1200 this one will be called the s l 1200 g coming in a special edition in summer they're only making 1200 of those and then uh more wider availability in late 2016 for the non-special edition also kodak announced a new eave bahar designed super eight camera coming this autumn priced between 400 and 750 dollars along with a roadmap for film development and post production tools to come out i heard i read a thing that uh tarantino is all big on this uh that that kodak thing seems real and uh jj abrams is involved oh really i didn't know wow yeah well there you go then maybe he can make exciting super eight direct drive techniques turntables that's what i grew up with uh at the radio stations i work with so good so good now the question is would you do you really want to pay what i don't know what the price is going to be on these i couldn't find a price on them yet but presumably there'll be more than a used version of a techniques turntable would be and there are used techniques kicking around they're still solid uh but uh i i do i do think it's very interesting that you know sony had a turntable that announced in its keynote as well vinyl is definitely back at ces yeah whether it's back in the hearts and minds of people at home and to the degree that they hope so that it can make this boutique business grow or maybe they don't even care about that maybe they just want to have the cool thing that makes with what this says it's panasonic retired the techniques because they couldn't sell enough of them what this says is looks like we could sell enough of them again and my wife came home one day she works at youtube right so she's around all these young kids and was like hey we should set up the turntable again so we have the turntable set up i know my daughter would love one of these she's absolutely loves this kind of thing she's collecting uh typewriters and tape cassette players as fun as if they are ancient man devices and uh this would be totally up around so i i need your address so i can send you a box for your daughter that's fantastic uh well that that is an extended ces look at the headlines everybody uh thanks for for helping us figure out the headlines every day submit your stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com let's look at the headlines all right uh we we we covered the breadth of today's ces knowledge but there's way more out there than you can ever cover in one show uh patrick has been walking the floors going to the keynotes as you can tell what are some of the other things you've been noticing patrick uh that have caught your eye so there's always there's been a whole lot of 3d printing over the last couple years and of course uh you know places like brother have done sewing machines and and cutting machines but i thought everybody uh in the audience would really be excited about the pico brew which is a five hundred ninety nine dollar home brewing system now if if you listen to the post-show audio of yesterday's show allison sherry didn't cover this as well uh and and it's available in the treasure chest if you're a patron at the right level uh but this this is this the new no no that's okay i think this is the new secret hit of ces yeah i mean i'm sober so i'm not going to be able to enjoy this but i was i was kind of amused and amazed like they're going to make their money off the brew packs which you basically have to you know buy this box this yeah i have this tub shove it into the machine add your water hit the button it cooks it in about two dollars later i guess two hours later you either keg it or bottle it um that was highly abusing to me the idea because i know so many people who home brew like what my cousin for example and it's like they either get really good at it or it's real hit and miss and this is the idea that's going to deal with a lot of the issues of brewing brewing is a very tricky thing oh yeah the uh so that was really amusing to see um there's a company called elcan and they do speakers uh and or excuse me elac my apologies um and a guy named andrew jones has been designing these unbelievably inexpensive amazing sounding speakers for pioneer for years um he just came out with a new one for the unify series and for everybody's been talking for several years kef came out with a speaker called the ls-50 and it's everybody's like everybody loves this speaker it sounds extraordinary and the crew at elac this guy andrew jones was like you know what that speaker sounds amazing it costs way too much so now he has this fantastic pair of bookshelf speakers are gonna be five hundred dollars in april and a five hundred dollars is way too much because you're just starting to start out um they have another pair of speakers for a hundred seventy nine dollars coming out uh the debut line and i'm always really really excited when i because you know i just been listening to like a pair of like fifty or eighty thousand dollar speakers a few doors down so to hear a five hundred dollar speaker that sounds unbelievable five hundred dollars for a pair not five hundred dollars which because usually when you're up in the venetian it's like seventy nine thousand dollars and of course you'll be wanting to um so to to be in there and to hear like a five hundred dollar pair of speakers that blew my socks off out through my shoes it was a little bit painful um i'm just really excited about that elac's the company unifies the speaker and then the debut line is going to be one seventy nine and those are coming out in april um the roost nine volt smart battery for smoke alarms technically has been shipping for a few weeks on amazon but it's essentially a lithium ion battery and these guys are really frustrated they saw market opportunity because apparently there's like a half million false alarms for smoke alarms between three and five in the morning and it turns out the reason there's false alarms at three and five in the morning is your your alkaline battery drops and drops and drops in voltage and then it gets to its adjust on the upside of turning on the alarm and then at three in the morning when the house cools down to its coldest point the chemistry slows down enough that the voltage drops the alarm goes off but in the process of howling and the house warming up prevents it from alarming again so this actually they just integrated with if then then that so it's it's a nine volt battery with a little bit of networking and intelligence in it so it can give you a signal as it starts to get to end of life and it'll send you an email or a text message or whatever you set up and if that's then that's assuming of course if then then that and your email account and or phone number still accurate when this lithium ion battery finally starts to die still that's so much better than warning me at three o'clock in the morning that it's dead with yeah i don't have that problem but i imagine if that's something that's been happening to you this would be a godsend right especially when you find the one that's going bad this would not only tell you no i hate that bad but like literally locate it like which which detectors going on right they're not spending days looking for it not spending days with your three year old waking up howling is a cool thing so scott uh what what kinds of things have you been uh seeing from the outside maybe jenny or patrick have seen him i like so we talked about withings earlier they're they're uh what they called the withings go was it called yeah that was the the sensor we talked about yeah this is pretty cool but what really caught my eye was this new thing that they're calling the the withings thermometer it's essentially a temporal thermometer you hold it up to the side of your head and it takes very accurate readings of your temperature logs of this stuff let you use apps and stuff to be able to log it for your doctor so let's say you've got i don't know a chronic problem with high fever or you've got just the straight up flu or your kid so it feels like a good thing for for parents but instead of getting a thermometer trying to jam it under the kid's tongue and have him hold it there and not be upset and gag him or whatever or put it in other unmentionable places you can just stick this thing right up to the side of their head and it's going to give you very accurate information for about a hundred bucks yeah it's not as cheap as something you'd buy at the pharmacy but it seems pretty cool to me and having this sort of wi-fi connected device with along the lines of all the other stuff they're smart scale and everything else seems like a nice product to add and one that's actually useful and not just you know not just flashing the pen jenny you got your eyes on it didn't you i did i went i saw it as c has unveiled on i guess it was Monday night i got it here and uh it was pretty good um it was very subtle you just put it up with your core your temple right here and it glows when it's ready and it felt like that's much more soothing experience for a kid when they're stressed out and feverish than being like oh yeah i'm sorry i'm jamming this into the bottom of your tongue i'm so sorry i don't yeah well you don't even have to wake them up that's kind of cool yeah you just hold it there wait for it to glow and it's and it's your temporal artery which is the most accurate place on your body for accurate temperature gauging like cool and it's in less invasive they don't even have to wake up like jenny said i mean it just seems like a no-brainer if you're if you're a parent to me it represents it's like that simple incremental like how can we do to make life a little bit better for people that's what i love about ces you know as opposed to some of the stuff you have to wade through is every once in a while it's just something that works a little bit better than it did before yeah i also like the only other product i'd mention is the spec pocket vr it's essentially a foldable google cardboard but it's a virtual reality so i don't know that it's on par with something you might get with with gear vr with oculus and and samsung but this thing will use multiple phones including samsung lines of phones and iphone's all sizes and the cool thing about is it collapses kind of accordion style and works as a durable case a little thicker than you get for most of your cases obviously but a nice durable case rubber edging and all that and then when you want to use it as a vr set you just pop the thing out and suddenly you're using a you know a thing that's at least spec like a google cardboard type arrangement and get those vr experiences sort of on the go i think that just looks like a pretty nifty idea it's about 70 bucks that's not that much more than a durable case from anyone else you'd find a store and um you know seems it seems actually kind of convenient as opposed to trying to carry a separate piece of hardware around with you if you wanted to take it on the road have not seen it will keep my eyes open all right um yeah go ahead i was just going to say the only other cool thing i did today was actually i helped out another broadcast and got to interview the f a a administrator michael fortha because he's here you know they just opened registration for drones and so he's here like making the case and you you can listen to marketplace tech to hear the actual interview later today but let me tell you something like i sat there and i listen to this guy talk to the host and they really want to get drones right and they want to get it right for two reasons one because it's a really great area but they want to keep planes flying safely and happily in the air and over fires and doing all the things that planes need to do while at the same time having this great new both commercial and consumer uh uh growth in aviation and so i came away like reasonably impressed with sort of their commitment and their understanding that this is a big thing and they don't want to mess it up all right i i i believe that's what they believe i think the frustration has been uh always with the f a a and this goes back to cell phones on planes like are they overdoing it but then there's always the tendency to want to say well i'd rather they overdo it than underdo it well you know every time i think they're overdoing it i think about the drones that we're flying over the fire preventing the fire dropping water onto the air it's just like they i'm all for it well then the question becomes are the rule are the rules they're putting into place going to prevent that sort of thing from happening no but it will make it really easy for people to figure out where to steal drones out of my house or to target the houses to break in to steal expensive equipment it'll make it easy to spoof drones that you can get people in trouble if you need a hold of the number it'll make it it's just it's it's if they want to register the drones that you'd register the drones so they should actually make it i don't know i'm having a daring moment you've all heard it i'm gonna stop all right let's get to our pick of the day from lisa boben uh who calls herself senior analyst or whatever we are calling patreon supporters this week uh call yourself whatever you want i mean we have an analyst level but you know if you're if you're supporting the show you get you get to choose uh says i stumbled upon this website that analyzes the reviews submitted on amazon and reports back on the likelihood that they may be fake it's called fakespot.com i tested it with a few products that i have bought and reviewed myself and the results are really interesting it returns a result reported as the percentage of likelihood that the reviews are genuine it also provides data as to how that percentage result was calculated sample reviews and even a word cloud showing the most common terms used to describe the product there's a chrome extension for the website i haven't tried that it's just a personal preference she says she doesn't tend to use chrome extensions uh but you might want to check it out i i sort of do this on my own when i look through reviews but it's cool to have uh another point of reference fakespot.com i love this i always wonder especially with something new you just don't like even an app on on an app store that's a dollar even small things like that you're like these first three reviews sound like dudes working on the game or whatever and i'd love to have a way to you know with whatever product is have a have a better idea of what is crap and what is it yeah thank you lisa for sending that along fakespot.com send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more picks at daily technewshow.com slash picks uh real quick message from alan in california who heard us talking about the Nikon 360 degree camera by the way tons of 360 degree cameras uh at CES Nikon probably getting a lot of attention because they're one of the few that's doing it with a front and back lens uh and uh alan says hey you guys didn't mention another product that competes with it called the Ricoh Theta S which was released back in october it's also a dual lens 360 degree compact consumer grade still and video camera i got one for christmas myself the Nikon key mission has better specs and it's ruggedized and it shoots 4k video not just 1080p uh i didn't find its still image resolution online and i think 4k might still be too low res for capturing the full sphere you only get an impressionist view of the action with my 1080p Ricoh Theta S i shot a beach volleyball game from one of the net poles you can see the players clearly but you can't recognize their faces uh the pixel density of 4k is only double 1080p in each dimension probably still not very clear uh but you wanted to point out if you're if you're looking for another option there maybe a little cheaper theta 360 dot com has already been out and it's got that dual that cool dual lens thing nice you got there for christmas alan did yeah okay there you go nice i'm such a convincing read you thought i got it yeah when i heard that i went wait a minute i'm got a new camera i've got a little excited about nothing yeah now i got i got to go on vacation for christmas that was my present uh patrick before we let you go any other uh any other items they're kicking around in your head anything else you you wanted to throw out there that you'd seen oh my goodness uh new matters mod t 3d printers three hundred ninety nine dollars unlike a lot of the inexpensive printers we've seen it seems to be built to not fall apart i will say i was excited about hunters sort of wi-fi internet of things enabled fan in part because i got to talk to one of their engineering geeks and i feel like nobody's gonna be hacking into my house through the fan um ten thousand other things i could go on forever so i'm just gonna stop and thank you for having me on the show uh tech things uh shannon like she shannons on tomorrow or no i was confused my confusion the uh shannon i was shooting uh an episode of tech thing it'll go live on friday now she's not a show no more because she's shooting a show with you that would make sense i'm just going to sit here in shame now but the uh we will have as soon as she's available trust me it sounds good no it's it's been interesting there's a lot more interesting things here than i thought there would be which makes me very happy yeah uh well thank you so much for taking time out of what i know is a really busy schedule uh to to chat with us as well and thank you jenny josephson uh for corralling things and and help and make them happen any any last minute thoughts about ces from you i'm very very tired so i totally understand uh that is that that means it's working that's what ces does to you yes i will say though it's been one of those ces is where i was definitely in the convention center but i've never made it to the floor and i'm hoping that right after we get off this i will be able to actually look at things yeah now that's a that was always the way with me too as i'd go to the press conferences i go to the announcements people come by the cnet stage uh or the twit stage depending on what era we're talking about but i almost never got to walk the floor scott johnson thank you uh as well what's going on with you these days oh i love c s weak thanks for having me today as always um just a lot of getting the new year kicked off right a lot of stuff happening if people want to follow the goings on uh people should be getting their books by the way my my my extra life dot com compilation book shipped uh to over 38 countries and every wow so i'm pretty stoked about all that uh except that international shipping is ridiculous expensive but anyway uh let's neither here nor there what matters is the book is on its way if you're waiting for 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weren't there so i can't thank you enough no it was my pleasure uh no it's good i'm i'm i'm yeah it's good to talk about the Chinese i forgot to talk about the thing i was thinking was a vx l robert and i are finally hard launching a vx l this week oh cool we put our first three episodes up last week well if you and if we can coordinate it maybe we can get you and robert on together on dts that'd be hysterical yeah yeah i know i didn't know you guys are even working on that that makes me all excited i missed that stuff we we like started at like november 21st last year and then we were both doing all sorts of crazy things and we finally beat it into submission and got the like we shot like our we recorded our first three episodes way earlier this year and then finally got it all together to get it live so and i was like okay we're gonna hard launch it at ces so um yeah that'll be one of my giants like i'm gonna do tested tech thing avxl and this week computer hardware on thursday so i'm gonna be uh really happy to be alive by about four o'clock tomorrow afternoon i'm not dead you don't catch any weird diseases i always hate ces diseases are the worst oh yeah i thought strapped your years so if we're plugging things for people uh we're for plugging things i should tell you that molly wood interviewed the ceo of oculus rift wow that's gonna be all in the air when today oh it's airing live right now in southern california you can go download it on a platform oh for uh for yeah for marketplace oh sweet artwork great you about your engineer got to wear the glasses everything was great it was a good day for everyone here very cool we'll tell molly hi for everybody hi molly that's awesome i have to go listen to it i really like for work on there i was already doing a bang up job on the marketplace as always as always no surprise there what i'll tell you who's i'll tell you who's lucky in that interview is is palmer yeah he got to talk to molly wood that's right can't see show titles because i'm using the only device available to me in this internet hellhole uh to be live so uh someone else could look at showbot.tv and that would make me happy don't everybody jump it once uh virtual makeouts fridge open source software frost can we get a tea in there fridge open source technology frost no okay the internet of stupid uh ace detects has two turntables and a lot of microphones that's a long one but i kind of like it i know it's not bad uh yeah i was i was uploading the uh allison chariden thing to archive.org so i could throw it into the uh the rundown rainbow vomit um obviously any anybody uh anybody got a favorite this refrigerator has a boss level oh i kind of like that that's very c.e.s virtual makeouts that's not bad yeah that's the winner that's the leader right now that's the leader yeah not too chevy that's just somebody who knows how to stroke both of our stupid dad jokie ways oh totally that's really good uh virtual makeouts i mean that's fine if we can get away with it legitimately that's good seo i agree i agree i don't hear jenny stopping me so nope that's because she's not listening right now virtual makeouts it is she's laughing and didn't leap towards the microphone okay good ex squeeze me well patrick i hope that after all c.s and you're totally pooped you get more time in like moab or something uh we're uh shannon's going to japan for two weeks in may so i'm i haven't had anything it resembles a proper vacation pretty much since november well september last year yeah so yeah my goal is to my goal is to get us at least two weeks of big nature so that's awesome yeah i'm hoping like we were way overdue for zion trip or uh well anything anything involving southern utah big nature in places where my three-year-old starts running towards cliffs is just the best oh my goodness they're just a tool of big nature that what is vacation yeah what what is vacation well much like the separation of church and state in some individuals have actually figured out a way to separate the bulk of their life from opportunities to recreate and relax and these are called vacations in some cultures they're not universal many people disdain them tom for example is only taking one vacation in his life and he said he hated it this was earlier this year i know but it's fun to say things like that because of your face you do yes you may but yeah hopefully we get a couple weeks uh yeah we're gonna go find big nature and get into the middle of empty and and go to moms in selina utah because it's moms in selina utah and they have scones selina i've been there in ages that's one of the best oh sorry um little town yeah one of the best uh freaking places to buy boots in the united states is in selina utah i love the western store there i think that's amazing there is only one there's only six places that are open in selina utah at any given year four if it's a bad year and all the mines have closed yeah oh my goodness well that's a good time to go to it's nice time of year for all that it would be good maybe i can get the airstream put together and i can be fully american vacation wow nice oh look i only have to change one name in the the id3 text because it's patrick beija it goes becomes patrick norton yay well then tim steve's transformers um all right i'm gonna drop off only because uh we're going to a virtual reality pitching competition and that sounds like fun it does sound like fun that does yeah is it for no it's sorry it's not virtual reality it's um it's the other only new thing here it's the drones uh what is it i'm we're going to something i don't even know what this is the mobility pitch competition it's just like little rolly scooters personalized robots and like it's sounding less and less interesting making like no no she's already tossing aliens through the airlock in her mech costume she looks so happy over there that sounds like it's robot chaos we're going to robot chaos uh so yeah and we're going to take this opportunity to get what is apparently known as coffee which i haven't had either oh god yes go rectify that uh anyway but uh yay patrick norton we made it work oh yeah that was fun thank you tom thank you scott thanks man see you in the talking thanks senator bye thank you guys soon your feet see man don't get high don't eat the snow there's no snow there what have i said what have i done don't eat any of the snow yellow or otherwise oh we are you still running online uh yes i am still that's you can see the little live bug right up there but i'm gonna end it now so goodbye everybody