 The conversation is different to Alameda in the sense that they're evidence-based, they're written by academics. You can start with one issue and then you can follow through to a paper that it's referring to. And you can actually analyse all those topics that are presented. As a researcher it was very important for me to have control over the quality of the output. What is the truth of the situation and in whom do you trust? That's I think a pretty important role that will require privates and nations to keep going.