 You're welcome. Good. Why don't you talk to the big game? I'm here. You're on our first table. What would be the first time you've done that? What would be your first time? Oh, weird. You just have to look back at me. I don't know. You don't know your name? I don't know. Okay. No, you don't know him. He was right top on the back. He was just sitting there just watching him. He was just going to say, you know, he's over here traveling. There he is. Well, how are you? I am, um, so much stunned that we're approaching to life. Yeah. We're being prepared. Oh, my God. Thank you. You're welcome. How are you? Good, how are you? Yeah, I'm good. I think, like, soon to college. I was going to say, where do you? Seven weeks. I don't know what it is. I just want to be our ex. What? You're trying to talk. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll start it all over again. I'll see you all. I'll go around. So I see her coming. She's actually in there. She's in there. Power from the pole. She's made it. So. Okay. You know, we don't know anybody here, but one of our best friends is one of our partners, which is, you know, 25 minutes of something, so that's pretty cool. Yeah. And they're the lifelong friends of the neighbor. I'm committed and I'm still comforted by that. They don't need us here. I struggle to use this together. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You were good? Yeah. Dead. Yep. My wife wrote this, you know, three hours before, she said the сожалению with the son. I know, it's saying how close it's back to the middle. Yeah, really, yeah. Every side is seven. And then all of a sudden, you think, see? Yeah. I'm moving forward today. Just like, miss. You can operate on the sides of your school. So just be cool. And then when the on switch was up side. We're almost prepared. I've only spent a day here for that. Oh, yeah. We spent a night sitting on a cell phone. They're great guys. That's a good sign. You're great. Stanley. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, you're right. He literally has an arrow saying, I sound very excited about being on a cell phone for years. He doesn't think that's going to go well for him. He may not. He's not quite as smoky as it might not be otherwise. It's a warm up event. One more whole day. We're all here. We're going to get the meeting started. Heather, can you start with your roll call? Yes. Tom Williams. Here. Alison Gould. Here. Scott Holwick. Here. Roger Lane. Here. Ken Houston. Here. Nelson Tifton. Here. West lottery. Here. Kevin Bowden. Here. Bartlett. Here. Jason Elkins. Here. I'm going to make you tired. He's here. Council member Martin is not able to join us. Thank you. The next item is approval of the April 18, 2022 water board meeting minutes. Is there any questions or comments on those? If not, we need a motion per group. A motion. Is there a second? Is there a second? Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Item four is the water status report. Go ahead. We'll add it to it. More to it. The flow of the same-brained treated line is today of these 300 CFS. A hundred and twenty-five years. So the peak flow at Lyons during the runoff this year occurred on June 13, and slowly it was 907 six cmS. On a hundred twenty-five years four peak at peak. It's a possibly 575 CFS. And right now, for the last couple weeks, I've dropped it pretty quickly. Calling St. Grant Creek as Highland Ditch. Added number 8004. The priority date of November 30th, 1871. Calling the Main Stem of South Platte, Impact on District 5. Springdale Ditch. Added number 13,349. Priority date, July 19th, 1886. So, Ralph Price Reservoir is approximately 988 from 4. So, it's getting pretty close. Census is probably the first or second week of July. And the current release is 175 CFS. So, Union Reservoir is full and releasing some CFS. Local Reservoir storage is approximately 36%. And CBT system is approximately 993 CFS. Any questions? Any questions? What does Ralph Price usually sell? When does he usually sell? It's not the first, second week of July. Okay, so we're kind of... We're right on average, yeah. We don't want to cruise around alone, so we should be able to get some, exchange some transfer fees under there. Only other thing that I noticed in the CBT storage, the pump was in 4800. 40,000, yes. So, keep in mind in that number, there's also a point of gap. Yeah, the good thing is that our order, hopefully this year, ended up in order next year. A few years of supply. And the good thing is there's, what's actually the space for that. How does that... How does that accounting work today? The next year, would they count with the pump from the next year if they were able to do it? Like, so, does it just keep rolling? Yeah, most of the municipal sub-district, water providers, basically even the direction running, keep pump up to two years of orders. Right now, we're running around 20,000 acre per year when we have orders. So, we try to get about 40,000 to 45,000. You've got to pump 45,000 to get 40,000 because there's an introduction, strength, and then there's some water over to the west slope from the Greenland sub-district. That gives us two years of supply. You have to be a little careful because you're looking two years out. And this year, the CBT system's really given reasons for it. And it's not protecting the spill this year, but you're pumping... And if it were to spill next year, it would have spilled out June or maybe July, so we're going to be able to utilize it. Big portion of that. Next year's order in the winter time period, I believe that's when we use hard water. So, we basically have this year's order already done and the water we'll use next winter when we have water in storage right now. So, that's good. Any other questions or comments? Great. Thank you, Malcolm. Thanks. Next item is item five, which is probably going to be heard in special presentations. Item six, agenda revisions and solution requirements. I have them. Item seven, development activity. Doesn't look like there's anything on that. Item eight, general business, ADA's cash and loo review quest. Yeah, so just got a brief memo in your packet. I'll hit the highlights of that. March 8th, City Council approved Resolution R-202235. Establishing the fee for cash and loo, water rights received, the current $48,500 per day. So, I'm on page 21. So, Council recommended that the Winnie Gap project be used as a principal project that would represent that cash and loo. So, for the break that down, 30,000 acre feet, $30,000 per acre foot for the original Winnie Gap conversion to public projects, and then $18,500 per acre foot for the City's current investment in the Winnie Gap Birmingham project. The Colorado River Connectivity Channel project may see some additional cost increases due to fuel costs, but that information won't really be known until public next quarter review. So, with that being said, there's no additional information that suggests that the project would more or less change in cash and loo at this time. Any questions or comments from us? Hey, Wes, I was just curious, we talked last time two times ago, but I was just curious about the reaction as to if you developed a decent increase in cash and loo. That's a good question. So, a lot of people that were inactively engaged in the development of the process, we made a fairly extraordinary effort to let all those people know, and although they would have liked it to stay lower, they were prepared and they satisfied their nexus prior to the change. The people that have been coming in since then, they've also heard that it was changing. They weren't yet ready to make that change, but they've been preparing accordingly. So, some people have been acquiring their own non-historic water rights to transfer, and others are just waiting to see when their project is closer towards the end of their ready to move to earth. So, it wasn't, haven't heard anybody that was shocked that it wasn't unexpected, but that doesn't mean that they, again... Sure, not picked to stay lower. You know, they had an activity, but frankly, the hard thing to do is sort of map between that and interest prices, and interest rates, and some of the budget prices. Right? I was just wondering what you heard on this room. Yeah, that's it. Anything further? Go ahead. Yeah, I do. I have a couple questions. So, the 18500, that was a number that we've seen that kind of broken down in the past, because that's the number that was kind of consistently used over many years, or many quarters at least. The 30,000 per acre foot, so that was something that we discussed kind of a couple times, you know, I guess. Do we have, like, kind of like the calculus on that? Like, so in other words, is there a spreadsheet somewhere where that number was, like, derived at, or is that... I know that in a couple of paragraphs here, it describes the pieces that went into the calculus. But is there, like, a line item where the values, essentially, that get summed up, that arrive at this 30,000, that those things exist? I'll let you... So, we have the numbers of part of all those components that we built in 1985, but in 1985, that was, like, 6,500 per acre foot. So, that's much less than this. The 30,000 came about. The Platte River Power Authority had 160 units of a project. They only want a little over 100 units. So, today, over the years, they've been selling, in the last year or two, they sold a number of units, based on, you know, on a fair market value, based upon a print of bits. And so, the high bits were in the $28,000 to $29,000 range. So, they just recently, and I don't know if you've heard, I don't think they're closed yet. They just recently put 10 more units on the market. Their minimum was $30,000. So, the minimum bit is $30,000. We should know, we will know, I believe, we'll know by the September cash-in-the-moo what the actual bid, what the actual bid amount, sealed bid, for those units are. I don't bring that information as soon as we have that. But you can't, you know, you really can't get a better price than sealed bids on the open market. It's not really quite open market, because you have to be in the municipal sub-district. So, you have a little bit more of a limited audience to sell it to. But on the other hand, there are enough people in the Northern Colorado area that either are in the municipal sub-district or could petition into the municipal sub-district. It's everybody from, you know, about, well, kind of left-hand, U.S. Alabiak, or Collins, you know, in all the rural divestries. I don't know, it wouldn't be easy for the rural divestries, because you've got it. You've got to get everybody in the sub-district, but there are enough people in the sub-district. So, that's, it's basically the fair market value of that. So, that, I guess that was going to be my comment, was that with you, so, we're looking at page 21. So, there's a first paragraph where it just kind of reduces things. Second paragraph a little bit describes some stuff. The third paragraph is kind of, it's like a list of essentially the factors that go into this, to this value, right? It's like water rights and infrastructure, et cetera, right? And it makes it seem like it's like an inflation-adjusted cost to do those things, to go out and get the water rights, and to go out and build the infrastructure, and et cetera, right? So, it's almost like that $6,500 an acre of inflation-adjusted to fit today, right? Plus, maybe some differences in cost or something associated with cement prices. And in, and I guess it could be a little clearer, I suppose, but it's actually a market value, right? It's like, it's based on, like, real, what competition for a particular resource or something, rather than actually kind of a spreadsheet that actually puts a cost on every single one of the things in the third paragraph. And I think it can lead into the fourth paragraph. Yeah, so, I'll make that, I'll make that clear. Do you have any further questions? Go ahead. So, Niko was done and received a finding of no significant impact. My presumption is nobody would file against that, like they did with a fair amount of, to me, all the reservoir. Because, I don't know if it doesn't, right? So, the contract is moving forward. Unfortunately, the contractor that's doing the work didn't get fuel, because I didn't know how long the process needed to get a fuel contract. So, probably just kind of a forewarning in September, you'll hear there will be a fuel surcharge. Most likely, you feel it'll be around a million dollar range. But other than that, I don't see any real stumbling blocks in moving that project forward. I can maybe add a little to that. So, there was a limited notice to proceed that was awarded at the last board meeting. And it was limited because we're waiting, the NRCS is one of the big funders and they needed to just get some final goals before they could fully fund their portion on it. The concern was that if you didn't get going on a limited notice to proceed to start the work, you'd miss a whole season of work. So, there is a little bit of, you know, kind of work prior to the NRCS and the rules being done. So, don't be working immediately in terms of some of the prep work and to facilitate getting kind of the whole scope working. So, that was the way it was from the last northern municipal district point of view. To build this, do they have to shut down any tax operations? No. No. My understanding is they will not have to shut it down. And then, can you correct me if I'm wrong? They've, well, I mean, pardon me, timing too. I think as the river drops, you know, the pumping season is going to be over and you can kind of go to work there. And then I think they have their timing such that they'll continue to be able to, I think that was kind of like a conditions on being able to move forward as they are. So, I don't think there's any, I haven't heard anything at all about the impact of pumping. Absolutely. The good thing about doing the limited start, was because Windy Gap pumped pretty good, 40,000, 45,000 this year. But it shut off about a week or two ago, a week and a half ago, because it pumped it up. We actually put a Gap pump this year. But it shut off and so now what had to happen was during the reservoir that you can still pump people in the reservoir, I applaud those operators if they're going to try to, you know, they're going to pump. But right now there's no pumping going on, and there won't be any pumping until the third right next spring. So it's really important to be out there this summer, get that work done, because they did have to drop, they will have to drop there as a work. The first thing you do is you take the dam on the south side and, you know, you're about to put a brand new rebuilt dam on the inside so you have area to put them, kind of, to each other. It's my understanding that you will not be able to fill the reservoir. That won't be done, finished enough, fill the reservoir next year, but we'll be able to put some water, enough water into it. I'm pretty sure to be able to pump. It's going to be real practical next spring. That's the critical period that I'll have already started. It's going this summer. So is the goal really to excavation this year? Well, you know, I don't recall exactly the full scope of this year, but yeah, I think they wanted to get some of the initial clear and grub work done, kind of the prep order came in advance. Once that RCS runs, I mean, it's up to races. Yeah, I think they're going to get, as Ken was looking to, try to get another done this year, so that by next spring they're able to run the watering, at least pump water there. I mean, good news is that since they've come in in some sort of two years' order this year, they'll also be able to support them. So it's looking good. Project, you're always optimistic at the start of the project. But no, what's that done? I mean, what's that foundation for the relocated to Amazon? You're committed. So I would put it in the category of committed to get it done this summer. I'm working on it this summer. Anything else? Item nine, items from staff. My first item, my name is when you get a firming project update. Yeah, just a real quick update. Sorry, a quick update on the project of the picture. These pictures are updated once a week on the firming project between the all website. This, I thought was a pretty good picture. Really, you're looking down the center line of the dam. You can see the points going down there. That is now a good portion of that is constructed. The last item is 70% done and then probably a little bit more by now. The critical part of that was once you get that done, then you do some final routing and then out the foundation ready for the construction of the dam. You can really, really, really start to see the footprint of the dam now here. And then the quarries over here. This is, they're staging the hydraulic asphalt plant up here just above my water line. That was kind of a unique project. It was a lot of the construction of that path was paid for by Larimer County because that's going to be the parking area for the recreation area of Larimer County once the dam was done enough. So you kind of see that. And then you can see right over here the bridge over the penstock for the CBT system is already done. So this will be the road that will come in once the dam is done. And of course it goes on, you can see it going on around here. It goes clear to the back side of the reservoir. So that gives you a little bit more of the road. You can see the quarry. This will all be under water. The quarry is over here. You can see in this picture the cofferdance right over here. But so far going well, they've just started actually a double crew sequence where they have two crews per day, two full crews per day. We've got a lot of people up there and a lot of work going on. And it's really going well. And then we had talked about in the past I'm trying to get a tour setup. Unfortunately, everybody else wants a tour too. And I had hope to set one up for the July water board meetings or we'd go up right before the meeting and not make everybody come more than one day. It's actually a bit like during the August. So I have three different options that we'll talk a little bit more about. The first is if you don't mind coming or taking two days in a month from Monday before our next water board meeting on July 11, we could set up a tour and just do a tour that day. Actually, from July 18th to July 29th every single day is looked at. The second option is on our water board meeting date in August, August 15th. The afternoon's already looked up and the morning is available. So we could do a tour of the reservoir site first and we wanted to do a quick tour of the conservation gardens up there and talk a little bit about water conservation and have lunch on their plaza there. So what we do is a little bit earlier on the morning tour, lunch there and then we come back here from the water board meeting and that way you only have to have one day. Then the third option is your water board meeting on September 19th. That whole day is open so we can schedule one more mid part of the day to where it would take the whole day and then be back here for the water board meeting. We've got kind of one really to talk to the board and see what the preferences are. I appreciate how much work you put in volunteering to come once a month, every month. So that's why I didn't want to set one up off days. And generally once you get to about mid-August you could also do any other thing as well. There's two options when we do do it. They call it the Overlook Tour. There's, well, for that picture was taken. That's Overlook in the Valley. That tour from Northern's office up to you is really the best single spot to stand. You can see the entire valley and the entire project. That's about a two hour tour from Northern's office out there to see the project, the presentation there and then back. Or they also have the Valley Tour where you're actually going down in and driving into the construction site. It's easy to like that. It's easy to like that, but that's about a three hour tour. So it takes about an hour or two to get. Because I think they go to the oversight and then take you to it. So it's a little bit longer, but you get a little closer to the view of everything. So kind of some different options there. I wanted to see what the board or your preference are. If you have any preferences, then it's up to you. Are you saying August, October, September would probably be the best of those choices? It sounds like July is kind of jammed up now. July is pretty jammed up if you want it on the same day as Waterborne. So you don't have to come in twice. There is, July 11th is available. It's Monday, July 11th. It was right after the Fourth of July probably. Monday after the Fourth of July. But yeah, August and September are a lot better. So I guess the question would be, do you guys want to do it on the same day as Waterborne? And then B, do the two or the three hours board? And then I don't know if there's feedback for Cam but I guess it's going to be back in October or November. So if you guys want to, is there any feedback for you guys on what you want to, what sounds best for you guys? I guess once the school year starts, of course I have one of the interviews for this meeting but I generally don't have Monday mornings. So that September for me would be a little difficult. However, the August needs to end right before the school year starts for me. But I don't know, you know, children. I think August and September is preferred for me. I can't do the July day anyhow. Okay. Do you guys want to do the, does that have the ability to do the three hour or the two hour? Either one would be available but it would be required when it is in the morning. So take most of the day. Yeah, our show's more. The 15th could also work for me. I prefer to do the longer one which I actually see, especially if at that time we're starting to do the higher two. Hydraulic asphalt. I don't know if they'll be laying in them but they might. Yeah, I'll find that out too. They should be getting close. Yeah, I prefer the longer one. Okay, we're all the way up there in the last one. When you get an order back into the equipment, which is when you're up top and all the way down, when you're down, you see all the roads and some of the walls. I think it's cool. Okay, well I'll set this up for August 15th. We'll do morning tour. We'll end up back in Northern and then we'll have lunch and enjoy the conservation gardens and then we can have some very popular. I appreciate that. We'll meet here because we have some 15th passenger buses. Look, we might still be. Sure. You can just reserve one of those real easy. They're the common deer maybe. They park them out here. If I get an early in the morning I'll get geese. Anything further on that? That's all I've got. Thank you very much. I mean, so 9B is the water resource engineering project that I'll be using. Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to give you a quick update on our South St. Crane pipeline pump station project. That one's kind of been hit with some delays and stuff from trying to procure materials and everything. Kevin said that. We're starting to get some materials in. We're not quite ready to make connection into the North Line yet. We're still missing a couple key pieces. But they are starting to come in. The pump station should be ready to ship July 11th, which is a few months behind schedule. But again, overall it's not really delaying the project because even if we would have had the pump station on time, it just would have been sitting in the pit without any connections to it. So overall things have kind of worked out in favor of some of these delays. And so anyway, I'll be flying out July 8th to go do one final inspection before it ships. And then it should be here on the 14th or 15th and we'll instantly take it off the truck and place it down with the concrete. So we only have the crane tied up for one day. And so we're still expected to bring the pump station online sometime in September. It could be early October. Just kind of depends on when we can shut down the North Line. So we'll have to work with Canon West and the plan operators and stuff and O&M because when we shut down the North Line for this project, we'd also like to go and make repairs up on the other section and try to hit everything all at once. And we'll also have Glutton Rock Outlet shut down in September for making those gate repairs. So it's a little bit of a formation and stuff going on but we're looking at probably late September, early October to have that pump station online. But so far minimal change orders and everything like that. So minus some additional parts here and there, very little scope creek and other than the delays and stuff from current materials and stuff. Everything's been going great. No instances. The town actually is using our contractor as a role model for other contractors. Like, hey, this is how you should be doing it. This is what your site should look like. This is proper storage of materials and maintaining your site. So it's been going really good. But yeah, it's just finally we've got a ship date and an inspection date on the pump station. So we're excited. 90,000 pounds, they weighed it over the region. It's the largest pump station they've ever done. And they don't fully know how they're going to get it out of the door. But they're like, that's our problem. We'll figure it out, but they might end up having to take down. I asked that question before we got it. You cemented it. I don't think that. Yeah. They made it seem like this was like the perfect excuse for them to make some updates. That's our air flow. Great. Anything else? That's really it. Any questions? Great. Thanks, Jason. Absolutely. All right. So we're on the 9C water conservation update. Good afternoon, everybody. So we are planning a master plan update in the next coming years. And we wanted to start out with a little bit of plan history. So I'm going to give a little presentation about the history of our efficiency master plan. And in further meetings with that a little bit deeper. So I just wanted to start out with going over conservation versus efficiency. We often use them interchangeably, but they don't always do the same thing. And so when we are talking about conservation, we're talking about a careful preservation and protection of something. And then efficiency is doing the most with less. And so when we think about conservation, it's an active behavior change. So zero skating policy updates actively changing a mindset and efficiency we often refer to as passive conservation. So those are just fixture updates, fixing leaks and selling dirt lines, doing things that we have been doing, but doing them more efficiently. So going into the history of our plan, House Bill 91154 was passed in 1991 and it's declared that it's called the Colorado Water Conservation Act. And it created the Water Conservation Office and declared that its state policy to enhance water use efficiency with the objective of providing water for all beneficial abuses in Colorado. It also required that all local providers who supply more than 2,000 acre-feet annually have to develop and adopt a water conservation plan and enact it by July of 1996. So we did that and we created our 1996 and at the time we called it our conservation plan. And these are our guiding principles, basically prolonging the adequacy of our existing resources, being a demonstration of our commitment to responsible environmental and natural resource management. Creating a public awareness campaign about the semi-arid climate that we live and ensuring the efficient use of our water systems to ensure that we are meeting our population growth needs. These are the original conservation plan overarching efficiency goals, and we continue to use these in each of our plan updates. We don't have to read all of them, but just so you guys know, there are nine guiding goals that we continue to embed in all of our plan updates. So in 2004, the Water Conservation Act kind of went through an update and let's the creation of a guiding document from the CWC&E, which requires all of the cities to go and dive a little bit deeper. So this is how we developed our guiding principles of the Water Conservation Program for our city. And basically it's requiring profiling of existing water supplies, water demands, historical demands, and most importantly, selecting water efficiency activities and programs for our city. And this led us to develop our overarching goal for our cities program, which is to reduce our raw water demand by approximately 10% by build-out, which would be about 3,500 acre feet. Build-out is assumed as 2048 or 125,000 population. Our current population is just under 100,000. In 2013, we underwent a program evaluation. So we hired a consultant agency to analyze the effectiveness of our water conservation programs. Basically, they recommended that we continue but do more and do bigger. So that's what we have continued to do is just expanding our rebate programs and developing a more robust water-based ordinance, which leads us to our most recent update in 2017. We switched to a more programmatic and strategic goal layout for our plan. So we developed these five overarching strategies, indoor and outdoor efficiency, metering and loss prevention, education and outreach, and ordinances and enforcement. We offer, before 2020, the city offered toilet rebates in journaling. And then we developed partnerships with Resource Central and Efficiency Works to do outdoor efficiency rebates. And then we continued our metering and water loss prevention through our AMR introduction at AMR. We're still doing that. And then continuing education and outreach and ordinance and enforcements. A little bit of what we've accomplished. So I mentioned our partnerships, and those are really our bread and butter of our water conservation program. Our partnership with Efficiency Works, we grew in 2020 so that we don't, the city doesn't offer direct rebates. We go through efficiency works now. We're all indoor water efficiency for residential, commercial, animal and family. And then we also do outdoor water efficiency rebates for smart controllers or irrigation updates here then. Resource Central is our biggest partnership. We do irrigation audits, garden in a box and a lot of training workshops with them. And then this year was our first year of participating in their church replacement program, which was wildly successful. We set aside a small budget kind of as a test to see if people would be very interested and we sold out very rapidly without even doing any advertising. So we were able to fund 10 projects this year with 35 applicants. So we know that it's going to be really successful in years to come. Basically, it's just a rebate program through Efficiency Works that the city sponsors so that they can get a discounted, their projects to be discounted through Resource Central where Resource Central will come and remove their turf at a discounted rate. And then if those folks have left over money, it's almost like a scholarship, they have left over money that you get garden in the boxes or other types of rebates. We're continuing our outreach. We've done advertising. We do a lot of our advertising and outreach through our city newsletters and through the inserts that go in our utility bills. We've in the past participated in Children's Waterfare and that has not taken place recently but we're looking at hopefully bringing that back. Several conversion to raw water irrigation projects. I mentioned our automated meter reading project that is still underway and we're growing that to begin notifying customers of potential leaks very soon, hopefully. And then we did a couple, Francie was amazing and did a couple of turf replacement on a couple of city properties. One of ours is our yard here and so we replaced bluegrass with a native wheat blend. And then last but not least, we participated in the Growing Water Smart Workshop which basically integrates water resources and planning and allows us to work together to develop guidelines to grow our city with water land, water land nexus mindset. So I got to go on the garden tour among two weekends ago. Two weekends ago. I went to the lion's mouses, pretty cool. Holders sold out, we couldn't even get a tank to go over but it seemed like it was a good opportunity to have some city presence on that tour as a fundraiser for the symphony. We get to that's our own thing, but almost all the gardens that you went to had an emphasis on water reduction. And it seemed like a really good opportunity in the future potentially to reach out and do something with the city planning. Frankly, it's popular. There are tons of people calling for gardens online in the summertime looking at what are the people doing in their gardens. So just go for a tour of that. Yeah, that's great. We're revamping our native garden at the rec center. And we're working on one at Rogers Grove and at St. St. Orange. So hopefully soon we'll have some more visibility. Good question on interpret placement. Cities interpret placement versus the general public. It's the same principle. Are there different... My thought was are we encouraging tourism in general? Yes. A little bit of what? Yeah, a little bit of both. So the projects that we did, we replaced bluegrass with a different type of turf grass. And so our yard here, you can't tell but it's not bluegrass, but it is. It caught our water and facilities bill in half. So we're using 50% less water here on our grass that you wouldn't even know. So I feel like for moving forward, the city projects, we're going to gauge whether we'll do turf replacements or turf getting away from turf. Most of the residential projects are complete zero-scape. And so that's a big part of why we use resource central so that they can get access to those zero clients that resource central provides guides to to regarding the box. But most folks who are doing their own yards are definitely working out turf completely. There's a couple of HOAs that we've worked with that have done like wheatgrass blend replacements on turf that's not being used by like kiddos and stuff like that. You go ahead. Okay. My question is going to be in regard to the HOA stuff because it's not... This is their own individuals property. It's not state property, but driving our lawn on the main road is these huge margins of wheatgrass. But yeah, I don't know. Is that an HOA decision? And if so, is in person those HOAs? Yes. Yes. I tried to attend as many HOAs as I could let me come. We go to the Neighborhood for Rears Association which is like registered HOAs. And then they can participate in city grants that the city will provide grants and Northern Water as well to then to upgrade. So we work closely with a lot of HOAs through our Neighborhood for Rears Association. Yeah, I think that's one of the things that Ken and I are really excited about moving forward is the opportunity to do a ton of turf replacements and letting it be known that you don't have to not have grass that you can cut your water in half or maybe even less. I was working with the folks in Northern Water there like there's more that we can get back on here on our yard where it would still be a healthy yard. But like we're not outside playing table on it and stuff like that. Like it's just grass. So there is a big opportunity that we're all in session with. I hope that answers your question. It's like a non-answer. Well, I just want to learn to get my picture wearing involved. Yeah, absolutely. So I've got a question on your growing water smart. So if you've been, you know, it's kind of, in my mind it'd be the planning department working, you know, how do you have new land use code that may be a little bit more attuned to water use. I mean, has that been working well? And I just look at like the strips, the little strips of grass that is impossible to irrigate. And I mean, I'm just wondering if you've seen there have been code changes within long lawn or that sort of thing that have allowed and move away from that. So that we're not, you know, 10 years from now. Oh, the same number. You need to get rid of those areas. Right. Or deal with them. Yeah, absolutely. That's a great question. When, so the city attended growing water smart in 2020. And since then we've had a lot of staff turnover. So we've actually applied to attend this year's workshop again. Because of that, I think, well, and 2020 was also virtual. So this year we'll hopefully be in person and just kind of building those relationships. I think it really got the ball rolling, but I think there's a lot of room to grow in that area. And like I mentioned, we're really excited about arterial roadways, right-of-ways, like city-owned properties that we don't manage transitioning to zero-scape. That's something that's really important to me. So I think there's definitely room to grow. And we know how it goes with staff turnover, and that, you know, somebody leaves and the ball gets dropped, and then we have no idea that the ball's been dropped until like seven months later. So we're really hoping that we get accepted into the program again this year, and that we can get some folks who are planning to be at the city for a long time so that we can get, like, a really solid base laid down so that we can do those code upgrades and we can do our design standard upgrades, which is one of the things that we started working on in 2020. And there has not been any problems. Any other questions or anything to go with that? I was just adding there's a tremendous hunger to tear out the turf, and the challenge is that there's not a lot of funds for it. But if you look at the cost of watering the turf that nobody wants, versus the cost of taking me out and putting in zero products and so forth, there's got to be some balance. And I think the city might want to be a little more leader in that. And I know that that small-term replacement project was very minimal on the scope and scale, but that seems to be where the sweet spot is with reducing future water use, right? Yeah. There's a lot. We did a project in Old Town. We did people in my creative classes. It's crazy how many people are really enthusiastic about that. Yes. But there's barriers for sure and the costs are really distorted. Right. And really you guys are nailing on the head where we're planning to go. We really want this next update to be have more aggressive goals, have more accountability and kind of holding ourselves as a city to a higher standard of like, we need to get this grass removed, like we need to be models, which has been embedded in our plans since 1996 and being a model for the rest of the city. So that's going to be the direction that we hope to go. And also aggressive goals, one model that I've heard about is a separate year for indoor use versus outdoor use. And I don't know how feasible that is to retrofit, but certainly to help with the model pushing people in the right direction. Yeah. That is a big barrier that we face, especially when working on these AMR projects right now and figuring out who actually has a leak. And that is a huge barrier, is that these multi-family units or the commercial units have just a group meter or an estimator. So we have no idea how much really water is going on their grass or their outdoor areas. And also those are all the people to distinguish between the two. Can you look to some of that as a minimal, a market-based perspective? Double price. Make it economically sensible. I actually think it's the constant new cycle of water from situations in Colorado and all that. I think people, it's really a people's mind now. There is more intentionality with regards to decreasing water use in another city with 25 years of living in Boulder County. It's pretty impressive. Now it's how we make it more accessible for people that don't have the means to do that. Thanksgiving companies are making it. Good for them. And that's the thing that they shouldn't, but those guys are not into 12 months out of the project because there's not much to do. That's for people working fully funded. Right. They're tearing out and all of this. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you all. My last slide is just mentioning if you guys can keep this on your back, on your back burner, if you drive somewhere and see something exciting, let us know. Because we're going to be coming back in the next couple of months asking for feedback, giving you our ideas and asking for feedback and reviews. So thank you for your comments today. That is exactly where we're planning to go. Great. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much for your presentation. Yeah, thank you. All right. Oh, and I have these handouts. They're just little one pages of what our current plan is. That way you don't have to read the whole thing. Yes. Okay. So we're on item 10, which is items from the board. We have a list of the major project projects and items that we schedule for future workings and questions, comments on that list. I'm not seeing any. Okay. Item 11 is informational items and water board correspondence. I think all that was in the packet was the water board applications and ground management plan. And the five year lease with the history, the LA water districts. Anything other comments on that? None. Okay. All right. So we're under 12 items for future board meetings. So Casualu will be revisited in September. And as Ken mentioned, you'll have, I guess, simply the new market value winning out units. And then B is discussed the future water board agenda. Is anything anybody wants to discuss? It's quite premature, but given the direction or the directive for the western states to figure out how to reduce a whole bunch of water use relatively quickly or let the federal government do, I'm just curious what the trickle down to do at the city level and how to say there's regional elements, there's state elements, and then there's, you go down the wall. And I don't think we're ready to have that because it's a future board conversation. We'll talk a little bit about that. We'll bring some information about that. I don't think there's much yet. Yeah. I have kind of an unrelated question. The water treatment plant in Orange, is there a budget issue? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Is there a budget issue with moving forward with what we're planning to do? Or what is the rein... Uh... Sounds like there's a cost to overrun. There is concern if we were to bid it out today that we would have a significant cost in excess of what was projected. We received an updated most probable cost estimate from the engineering firm for the construction of the plant and the well in excess of what we've been looking at over the last three to four years. As a result, Cindy decided to not get out the project and we can see what the construction looks like three to six months from now. Very downside to pushing it out. Cost of yours? Materials. But operationally so, I mean, is that a big issue? It's not a real big issue because we have the Wayne DeOnes Water Treatment Plant, a standby. We haven't used it for quite a few years. It's doable. It could be used in years. Oh, yeah. It would take some effort to get it up and running, but it's quite a plan. So we would get it up and running. We've also done a couple of interconnects with local water, other water providers. In order to see who would have some excess capacity. But mostly, we would have to crank up what we asked, which we opened up to. But it's an option. And we haven't seen the last three or four or five years where we really haven't had any constant peak production. How much more capacity do we have in existing plants? We could ramp that up another 10% to 15%. Yeah, it was originally rated. It was built and rated at 30 mgd. And that's about what we're maxing out right now. I can't remember the exact number. It was either 10 or 15 mgd. It was re-rated. We pushed more than 100 plates in this block chamber. We did a little things and we rated it. And got it up around 40 or 45. So we do have some excess capacity there. And then the weight gas by this 15 mgd. So we could have a pretty significant increase. So we have an increasing capacity. Any other? That's it. I think we're done with the needs. Go ahead and turn it. I think it's record time. Just a minute. We're going to try to eat.