 The following is a production of New Mexico State University. We're at the base of Albuquerque Sandia Mountain in the garden of master gardener Margo Murdoch. This garden was originally designed by prominent zerescape designer Judith Phillips. Margo, is it retaining that design? Yes and no. Originally, Judith came up with a beautiful design, but as plants have died and as we've had problems in the yard or as I wanted to add my personality to it, we've changed the plants. So it's changed over time. Gardens have to change, though, don't they? Yes, they do. And you start with a good plant and then you just kind of go and make it yours. Yes. And I see some beautiful things here. Most striking, though, is the leotrists right now. And it's planted in a ribbon. That's one of Judith's concepts, is that you plant wildflowers in a ribbon and then what's happened is some of them have receded. So we have some over there and some over here and that's God's version of changing the plant. And they're not very difficult to grow here, are they? No, they're not. And they're one of the fall blooming plants which makes them really nice, too. Really good. And then you've got, I see some tall grasses here. Is this little bluestem? Yes, this is little bluestem. And you see? And there's also sand bluestem in here as well. Sand bluestem. Okay, that's a new one for me. It looks good. And then the base planting here is buffalo grass and blue grama grass? Yes. You had an interesting result when it rained, didn't you? Yes. When the meadow was first put in, we got some rain and the rain washed the blue grama seed to the edges and the buffalo stayed in the middle. Bigger seed. So we have a lot of, right at the edge of this dry stream that we're standing in, we have a lot of the blue grama. And I see real New Mexico here because we've got the purple aster that's so common throughout New Mexico in the fall. And so this is part of your meadow. Yes, it is. It's come in. It's a volunteer. Volunteer. And it will volunteer itself a lot more. That's, I think that's nice. Anyone who has this, in time you start weeding it out a little bit, a lot. Margo also includes some of the permaculture concepts of Bill Mollison. Well, this is a spiral. It is. The idea behind Mollison's spiral herb garden is that when you grow something in this spiral form and you actually go up, you're getting more garden space to plant. So plants are able to use that vertical space. They are. And you also have more dirt, so you have more root space. And if you need a raised bed, this kind of helps develop a raised bed kind of planting as well. And it's just neat to see the plants hang over. It was also very difficult to irrigate this properly. So we ended up with two inline drip pieces that run all the way down the spiral to the base. And Bill Mollison is the father of permaculture, so he's a good person to develop this. The preceding was a production of New Mexico State University. The views and opinions in this program are those of the author, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of the NMSU Board of Regents.