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But, and I do all of that and then I don't know why cause I end up asking the questions through my wife anyway cause she wants to start it off with just getting to know you as a person, right? I like the childhood before he gets into the grown adults I mean, y'all wanna do it I mean, y'all wanna do it I mean, y'all wanna do it, let's So growing up in Dallas, what part of Dallas were you raised in? Pleasant Grove What? The street Are you serious? Not too far from here You ain't never came here before That's crazy, I didn't know this was right here What? It's crazy Man, that's crazy I gotta say, y'all's timing is the best timing though That's hard, that's hard, man No, you see, cause where we at is so crazy because people in Pleasant Grove don't like to come to this side and they say, bought Springs Police too terrible That's why I've always heard it And we've been here, what? 16, 17 years and we've seen kids grow up to be adults, leave Some people who went to prison came back and were like, y'all still here? Yeah, some people went to see it all 17 years, that's a long time I've commenced y'all on that And Taylor Gabriel went to, we can't just say went to prison He went to the NFL and he come back here and we used to do push ups on the floor here When he was a kid in high school Wow Now he's got 500 homes here and he helped, you know building finances and wealth, man and he retired from Chicago Bears Crazy, that's a good story, that's why So, yeah, I'm originally from Pleasant Grove I was there until I was 12 and then my family moved to Rowlett, Texas To Rowlett? To Rowlett So you were raised, you say you're family So were you raised in the household with your mom and dad? Yeah, both Awesome So I hit the lottery early I know, you don't really see that a lot But as a child, did you really know how lucky you were? That's a great question I learned how lucky I was when I got older But I knew, I had a general sense that I was lucky cause I would always see people shocked when they found out like, you know your mom and your dad Like how you know both of them Like yo, biological mother and father, like yeah Like I felt like Richie Rich growing up Yeah, you're in the same household I had both of them Like my dad would take me to the bowling alley and I would go golfing with him and all that Like he was showing me just some different things and it definitely instilled a lot of confidence in me Especially being a junior, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm carrying that name, I took a lot of pride I was like my first superhero My dad and Michael Jordan Wow, man that's crazy, man So did you have siblings and all that? Yeah, do you have siblings? Yeah, I have a brother and two sisters I grew up with my brother in the house and my sisters are way older So you are the middle child or the youngest? Third The third? Yeah Okay, so I see you say your father was a great influence on your life but tell me exactly how did your mom impact your life as a child growing up? My mom was a hustler Like my mom get to it Like my mom, they worked there Both of them went to work at like three o'clock in the morning Then she would go from there They would go pick up ships at American Airlines Center like pouring beer and all that for people and then just they was just always just on the move like getting to it So I think my mom is why I learned like just my mom and my dad but my mom in particular just to just to hustle like she just was never she's content and happy with what she has but the work ethic was always just to get to it I love that and you saw that and that's part of you right now Absolutely That's awesome Like when you see people that just decide that they're gonna wake up when everybody else goes to sleep because they didn't want like regular nine to five shifts so their shifts was like three to like noon or three to one or something like that and they was just they just got to it why everybody else is asleep And they did it to create a better life for y'all because you said that you were in Pleasant Grove a lot of times when I think about Pleasant Grove because I'm not from here when people talk about Pleasant Grove talk about a hood you know like Pleasant Grove is the hood and then here you moved out of that and went to Raleigh and when people think about Raleigh that's like the nicer area So when you think about how much they work they were trying to get you in my mind out of that environment to a better environment to y'all to prosper a little bit better That definitely was the thinking behind their hustle like they they was looking at houses when I was like five years old like what just like plotting and plotting to get and put themselves in position So I was in Pleasant Grove right off of Jim Miller Road like I was staying in the Buckner Terrace neighborhood like that's where we stay that or first out we was in it was like Scott Place Apartments then we went to the Buckner Terrace neighborhood our house was like a couple streets by Scott Line High School I went to Edinburgh Elementary and in my mind I was gonna be in Pleasant Grove the whole time I was president of the school by the time I left and then they're like yo we moving to Raleigh and I was like what the fuck is Raleigh I didn't say that you know what I'm saying like that but in my head my kid brain I'm like what the fuck is Raleigh and I didn't know nothing about Raleigh I never heard of Raleigh a day in my life and it was a big culture shock I was about to say it was a crazy culture shock like Did you get in fights? No I didn't get in fights it was just I wasn't used to seeing that many white people yeah yeah like that just going from seeing basically all black people to a lot of white people it was a lot of where I went it was still a lot of black people cause it's just going you know 15, 20 minutes up the road but it was just different it was just different yeah and I get it man like Dallas people that realize when they say Dallas they think of one dimension you know that they don't think of all the different dimensions of Dallas the rural areas and just the Raleigh and Rockwall and Garland Garland and then you got like that side over there totally different you hit in the Frisco and the Lam you start but you still that's the surrounding areas people just say Dallas but man just to see just how you basically were able to maneuver how did you end up getting into music or did you know early on that you was a musician? So I knew early on I was good at rapping but I didn't see myself like as a musician or artist or nothing like that like I was always good at freestyle I would freestyle in the back of the car and all of that kind of stuff when I would be at my friend's house or would be in their backyard and somebody beat on the table that's when like the grinding beat by the clips was like crazy yeah, yeah, yeah like that was like the craziest stuff ever I'll take a pen and just just go crazy on the desk and annoying the teacher and all that like I knew I felt I was naturally better at that than everybody else that I was in bring that mic over a little bit yeah I thought I was naturally better at that than most people but I was playing sports I was running track playing basketball playing football and by the time I got into maybe my junior year at high school I had just did I was just doing football and I was realizing like on the bus and then the locker room that was my game that was the time where I was like you were saying the guy, you know what I'm saying and then take no effort I didn't have to put in a lot of work to be good at rap like it was just it just came natural and then I just kept getting more and more competitive and competitive with it and by the time I got to college I had like I went to UNT University of Texas and they had a student organization called Poetic Justice Oh really? Yeah, so it's area Tuesday night Gazebo in front of the student union they would have like poets rappers singers, instrumentalists or whatever they would stand in a circle at this Gazebo one person goes in the middle and they like just get their shit off or whatever so I was doing poetry and stuff at the time so I did a I did a poem and then they did a cipher at the end and I'm listening to them like I feel like I rap better than these people so I went to my dorm I wrote like my first rap I came back the next it was November 16th, 2010 You remember the date? I remember the date because that's also the day I met my wife Wow that was all the same day all same night and I went and I did this rap place went crazy I'm like this is what I'm doing So you killed it Ah man, bodied it So what gave you the I guess the courage to get up and do it? Because in some way shape or form whether it's playing sports or whether it was I'm used to having to perform in front of a crowd Okay like for a decade before I got to that moment Man So it's like I had always been on the stage or in some kind of capacity in front of people So What was give me a lyric or something that was in that rhyme Can you remember that? Yeah I remember the line that got my wife's attention That's one of the lines I remember what I rhymed it with but one of the lines was trying to see me as like a blind man staring through a peephole Oh yeah? I was rapping at like my first week rapping Wow You know what I'm saying? And it was like Ah man, this is crazy, bro They loved it So you see people just start showing up like what I was gonna say next And then I'm like, man, I need to And then at that time I heard that's when like Kendrick Lamar was like starting to get hot And I heard a song from him called The Heart Part Two And he was going so crazy And I was like If I don't drop out of school I don't know how I'm ever gonna catch this guy Yeah, wow So that's what made me drop out of school And when you dropped out I'm okay When you dropped out What Do you feel like things start to happen for you at that point? Yes and no Like so Yes, things was happening Like I started performing out here in Deep Ellum Yeah, I appreciate it Like April 2011 So I started putting in work Like I was out here like every weekend Friday, Saturday Like performing, doing free shows And we started getting like bigger and bigger shows But I wasn't making any money So it was just all free shows, free shows But just being young Like a teenager I'm like, I'm so dope I'm finna make a million dollars from this shit like And it wasn't coming You know what I'm saying? Like it wasn't coming So it was having You, like every entrepreneur Everybody that decides that they're gonna bet on themselves You reach a point where You have a vision in your head That you're following But your physical reality People are not seeing the progress People measure progress Based on how much money you're making And things of that nature And that wasn't visible in the beginning So So to some people looking at my situation It didn't seem like things were happening But I always knew things was happening Like it was I wasn't doing shows Now I'm doing shows I wasn't getting paid at all Now I'm getting paid somewhere That's $50 or $100 or something So in my mind I'm seeing incremental progress And I just stuck to that vision But for you to dive like you did I think that's extraordinary To just say, you know what? I'm diving, I'm going for it I gotta do this This is my passion And how supportive was your family When you dropped out? It wasn't supportive in the very beginning Because it was out of the blue They hadn't really seen me rapping All that before They just knew And my mom, she's gonna laugh when she sees this She used to say before I enrolled in school She was just like, nigga, don't be playing with my money Like that was like the thing She was just drilling my head And me playing with my money That's me So now I'm dropping out of school I'm not going to none of my classes And me and her We both got different like Fast for loans and all this And you know, when you get straight Fs They accelerate when you need to When you need to pay them loans And she's like, bro, you couldn't even go to class And I'm just like, mom, I can't And I apologize to her later Because it seemed very impulsive And now that I got a daughter I'm just imagining it I know this person a certain way for 18 years And then all of a sudden You'll be like, what the fuck? So now they wasn't that supportive in the beginning You're doing it all But I don't blame them because that shit looked crazy You know what I'm saying? It looked crazy And you want your kids to be what you deem is safe So if y'all been working and putting all these sacrifices We started off in an apartment to Pleasant Grove To a one-story house in Pleasant Grove To a two-story house in Rodlet You made all these sacrifices Trying to get you to see your vision With me to drop out to say I'm rapping And you ain't seen me rap for real You know what I'm saying? When was the first time that they seen you And I'm gonna stay on there for a second Just when did they see you and they recognized That you had a talent? So, okay, so, so, so I dropped out in 2011 So I was doing so bad, like, financially You wasn't smoking weed, was you? Oh, what? Stop! Oh, shit! Man, what? Can this thinkin' crazy? Think about that! No, it looked crazy It looked crazy No, I was getting high all the time Like, I was in a perpetual state of being high Like, always high And you gonna rap? But I was going in But it looked bad It looked bad too I see kids doing it now That's what's funny about it Yeah, I was smoking in high school And all that too Like, it didn't start then, but it just... But it looked worse when you then dropped out Of college and you just hanging around I was smoking and bringing back A's Yeah, I was working Oh, it's different You working But it's still... I'm taking all my money and putting it back into this shit Like, so I was... Yeah, the music I worked at Walmart Yeah I worked at a call center And then my last job, I worked at the post office In Oak Cliff And I was trying to get, like, some stability To get my shit going or whatever And at this time, I started listening to a lot of Books and the personal development Self-health kind of stuff Like, the alchemists Think and grow rich As a man, think of... Literally, I got obsessed with that whole world And I decided that's what I was going to make my music about Helping people hold on to that vision Helping people to take the weeds out of their mind And all the negative... Man, what? It transformed my entire mind And that's hard too And so I decided, like, all right This is my chance right now While I'm young and I still got the energy Like, these jobs gonna be here Like, I need to go for this, like, right now So I had put in my two weeks notice So my last day working a job was December 31st, 2014 Wow, so when you... Where did the light come in at? So I put out... There's a song called Black America I dropped it on, like, MLK Day And I end up booking a show at Trees In a venue in Deep Ellum Around January... The end of January, 2015 And my parents came to that show And that was the first time they saw me, like, performing raps And then when they saw me on stage, it clicked That's the first time? That was the first time And they was proud of you? Yeah, everything clicked then And so shortly after that, I meet J.Dot I'm manager J.Dot Who now he owns High Standards That has Coco Jones, Lady Gaga Yeah, yeah, y'all got a hell of a roster I appreciate it, man Like, so I was, like, the first signing of High Standards Really? The first one, yeah And he heard this Black America song And he was like, yo, I got this vision, this thing called High Standards He was like, there's no magic red button that I'm oppressed And you gonna go from here to here It's gonna take some work But if you buy into this vision You're gonna get where you need to go Because I hear something special in you So I end up signing with High Standards in October 2015 So less than a year after I left my job, I signed a record deal And then that makes it even more real for your family and all that And then, so my mom then started, when I threw, I started throwing my own shows Like all 2015 to 2017 My mom would take my hard tickets Would call up everybody like, hey, buy five tickets to this show Buy 10 tickets to this show She love you, man Man, she do And then she would work my merch table She would work the merch table Yeah, my mom would work my merch table for like three years So I didn't have to pay nobody to work my merch table That is a special woman, bro She sold more tickets than almost everybody ever booked My mom Every show How much did that, you know, did that just, that gives you strength And that gives you the push, man Yeah, because I know my mom is real So the fact that she's doing that, like I just won her over, over time And it's like some people, they want their parents to give them a bunch of money to get started But it means a lot more if somebody's willing to like get on the phone and call somebody I can't get you $10,000 But what I can do, I can call somebody and have them buy 10, $10 tickets And that's $100 that can help you pay this opening act Or pay this DJ or go to these venue costs and all of that She's a business lady, she understand business Hustling, she get to it And nah, that helped out a bunch Like that helped out tremendously And they saw the light from there Like then I just started booking bigger shows And then from the shows I started throwing for myself And people started seeing I could bring out an audience Then people started booking me for different festivals and stuff And then I started to like make consistent money from music And then I started working on this project Which ended up being a series called Revolution And Jade, I was like, man, I need to play this for Paul Rosenberg Was Eminem's manager and runs Shady Records with Eminem And because he was about to take over as CEO of Def Jam So he heard like the early versions of this And I was his first signing during his 10-year at Def Jam in 2018 Wow And that's a, how did your mom, how much that made her proud Yeah, both my parents were super proud because they knew like They knew I was going to do this regardless Like if they were supporting it or not supporting it I just believed in it that much But once they saw it with their own eyes And then you see somebody go from the bottom To now I'm at Def Jam and they were like to the moon What would you tell some of these young kids who feel like They don't have support because a lot of parents Will look on a rapper because there's so much or music There's so much people who have actually failed Put their all, put their last cent and still haven't gotten anywhere And as a parent people are like, go get you a real job You know, this is, this is going to break you So what would you tell that child and what would you tell that parent? I would say, what I would say to the child is You'll get where your parent's fear comes from Once you had kids of your own Because you just, you want your, you work very hard And you want your kids to be able to take care of themselves So when you're in that moment, you're like Oh, they don't believe in me and this, this and that But I look back at it now, it's like It's less about me not believing in it I don't understand that world you're talking about I know that people go to school, get good grades So they can get a good job And try to, that's because that's what it was for their time And I can only teach you what I know Right You know what I'm saying? So it's like you, your parents do not owe You support for your dreams That you got to accept that, just take that pill and swallow that pill They don't owe you that It's great if you get it, but you're not owed that I don't have to cheerlead everything, every endeavor that you see I want you to be healthy, I want you to take care of yourself But I don't owe you that support if I don't see fit And if you believe in it, that is your responsibility You have to be 100% accountable for the material For you to materialize what you visualize That is a thousand percent on you And then you can possibly win them over Or win whatever help you need to win over By people seeing that you are dedicated And this is what you're going to do regardless I put up so much money, I was doing this half a decade Before my parents pulled up to a show And what do you say to the parent now? Because that's to the child, so what do you say to the parent? You have to trust that you've instilled the right principles in them And then cut the apron strings Like you can't And that's super tough But that's just what it is If you see somebody and they're just relentless And they won't stop You have to trust that you've given them everything that you can As far as information And then if you see an opportunity where You can support their business in some kind of way Or support their endeavors in some kind of way Then by all means But just if it's an encouraging word If it's sometimes these people just need a hug For real Just a hug, like I see you I love what you're doing Just something But just articulate that you can still love them Even if I don't understand this route that you're going Man, you know, I see the Grammy on the hat man And you know, I held both of ice tees When I went to his house and interviewed him I held both of them in my hand I sat there with him My wife was like, man, this is a big deal I'm like, you know, you don't see these every day You know what I mean? And how big was that to win a Grammy? You know what I mean? Like that's not something that everybody That's a elite group, you know From Michael Jackson on down You know, I'll just say Like how big was that? Man, that was, that's like winning the chip You won the chip You won the championship It was, I was in LA at the time Me and my wife, J.Dot And then my wife was in a room in this hotel And J.Dot was in another room And we had already won best rap performance Like that was like they announced that at like the pre-show Pre-show, yes, sure do So, but the best rap song that was during the That's the real shit, like on the accident It's on the show On the show They're announcing it They open the envelope, right? Yeah, that's like the real show up You don't know and you don't know Before they all come back No, you don't know You don't, you have no idea So I'm literally like watching it on TV Wife getting ready Me and J.Dot on the phone And then they're like, best rap performance And we was going against some monsters So it was our song, The Savage Remix With Megan Thee Stallion Beyoncé It was The Box from Roddy Rich I think Rockstar, Roddy Rich and The Baby And it's like two other like super huge songs from that year And so he's reading it And he pulling the envelope out And J.Dot in my ear Let's go, let's go And we just still And my body was getting chills Like I was about to perform or something Like it really felt like that And it was like, Savage Remix It was like, what the fuck? It was going crazy Like we was, I was screaming Whoever was in the rooms next to me They heard it Like, loud, loud, loud Like man, I was like, man I ain't screaming that hard in my life for real But you had a reason to, man You had a reason to That's huge, man It's been a crazy time That's a different level You understand, like everybody can't say that Everybody sitting in the seat can't say that Like that's like going platinum Like I tell Derode at all the time Like it's certain things that Certain artists is O.G. Bobby Billion's platinum You know, like certain ones that do certain things You gotta give it up, bro These are monumental moments in your career You know what I'm saying? So like, I think between you and ICT And AA is another one that won the Grammy I can't really think of And I'm probably missing somebody Don't y'all, don't do this I know I talk to people But I'm just thinking of ones that I can remember Because I congratulated AA He called me that night But he just did that over this last time Oh, that's dope And AA is a guy out of He's living there, but he's out Yeah, producer, and he got songs now He just thought he was producing first But then you know I see That's a whole other level I can't I can't So like for you, to write that song for Megan Like how did that even happen? Like when I see Megan, you know And some people, like how did it... Did you write it come up with the whole thing? Or did she come up with parts? Or how did it even happen? It's a collaborative effort I think what some people get It's so weird, like a rap like So with producers, they collab all the time Like that's just normal You can have two, three, four producers on one song But with rap, it gets like Kind of weird for whatever reason Which is like Because you wrote it for me Like, you know, she... Oh my god This is the queen of it right here She come... Soon as they come in What's your favorite question to ask people? Is... Did you write it? Is that something that you actually went through? Yeah, she would ask the... Ask the... And some people... Because the industries is crazy And I told her people not gonna tell the truth Some people not gonna tell the truth Most rappers, almost every single rapper that I've came across will say It's their truth It's everything that they write That's what they've been through But R&B, this is totally different It's somebody else's experience It's somebody else's, you know, so forth But it's just as stigma is like They feel like because it's rap It has to be yours So you give us your concept and idea of it Okay, so with Meg... Meg writes 99.999999999% of her material As most rappers do Like even like... Nas can be in the studio and his engineer give an idea of For something on a hook Or Jay-Z or Kanye on a little stuff I'm gonna chase you And he's like, yo, you should make that a bridge And then Jay-Z does that So I do the... You know what I'm saying? That's just what it is or whatever So with Savage, I worked on the... My main thing was the hook Okay You know what I'm saying? And then Meg did her verses But I ran into a producer named Jay White Out here in the studio in Dallas Yeah, shout out Jay White, that's my guy Yeah, he was working on something And we just started like He was like, yo, should you try like writing some songs Or whatever And I had wrote songs for like people in Dallas Like in 2015, 16, 17 But I had like stopped doing it for like two years or whatever I bumped into him And then came up with this idea for the Savage song And then she heard it I met up with her in Miami She had came into the booth And she already had like two verses that she wrote And she memorized She wasn't reading from a paper or nothing Like she just... Is that the hit factory in Miami? Yeah, shout out hit factory My boy Birdman Yeah, so she went in there And she cut the verses, cut the hook And then the rest was history That song dropped like the first day of... Well, like that first week, it was like COVID You know what I'm saying? Like this is like some real, some real shit going on And then... And it didn't affect it at all It in a weird way helped it Because since people was at home They started doing the dance on TikTok And then TikTok blew up the original version And then it started getting super crazy And then Mariah Carey posted it And like a bunch of people just started posting it And started just blowing up from there And then obviously Beyonce hopped on it It was history And then when that was another day It was like... When she jumped on it You didn't expect that at all It was a wrap Nah, I got a... Me and Ziya, we went on a walk Came back in, I got a missed call from J.Dot I called him back, he like, Yo, I need your approval Beyonce is on the song And it's about to drop, like, right now Like, when did this happen? What? I'm like, what? And they like... That was quick, right? Yeah, it needs your approval That was quick, though It was quick I approved it I think I was like one of the last ones The song came out like 30 minutes later Wow And then it life changed Life changed Life changed, yeah When you say life changed, give me an example Some of the changes that took place for you Financially was the first, it changed drastically Of course, of course Yeah, it changed pretty drastically Yeah, and you was like, man, I gotta do this again Yeah, that's where you start learning the power of publishing Yeah, that's right Yeah, like what intellectual property is worth Very much so And then you got like, there's two... There's a savage to original And then the remix And those are two separate properties That are both doing millions of streams a day apiece Exactly Ah, man, it was up It was up Yeah But how much of a struggle? Because that's one thing I've always wondered With artists or producers Anybody in the entertainment industry When you have a hit and it does so well To me, I would be stressed Because you'd be trying to create another hit So quickly back to back But it doesn't always... Because sometimes you might think it's a hit But then when you put it out there It just doesn't take off like you think it would have Right So how stressful it is to go in there and recreate something again I think since I was a major label artist For like two and a half years Before those songs was going crazy like that I'm already used to pressure at that point I'm already used to major label expectations at that point But for some people a hit becomes like the worst nightmare Because when... It's the same way like the NBA and the NFL They say the NFL is a copycat league If you see people running certain plays a certain week They start adopting that into that playbook What's the same with the music business? It's a copycat league So if somebody finds out that you... Whether it's production or you got some ideas Or you have an ear and it worked on this Then people start calling Literally trying to... There was people calling like let's just savage Like give us something like this And they don't even know what you did Or didn't... It just gets like real funny And they have certain expectations that they want to be met But there's so many factors outside of the studio That's going to determine if a song is a hit or not Like like Okay, we all think this song is great But you can't predict in a studio That a virus is going to spread in the country And everybody's going to be at the house And somebody's going to make a dance on TikTok And then everybody in the world is going to start doing... You can't predict those other elements That's going to make something a hit And the studio is one thing It's an element of timing that you just can't predict That's where the fortunate guy's favorite kicks in You mentioned Kanye West We interviewed Malik Youssef And I thought about that he had Because they shared different things He's a poet And he basically shared the times And he wrote all the lights and stuff like that His input And I think Kanye does that as well Just gives everybody their credibility For being a part of the movement in that studio Yeah, and Kanye has some of the greatest albums ever Because that's just what it takes When Meg won Best Rap Performer She thanked me in her speech Like she thanked us in her speech And she's shown so much love even after that She hopped on the I'm a King record That we did for the Coming to America movie Wow, yeah, I remember that Yeah Like she's just... How did y'all put that together? I'm forever indebted to her So I had got I had got some early info About the Coming to America film And they said they wanted a song for it I made this record I sent it off They loved it around like late 2020 I got to see like They gave me some more info And like the scene it was gonna be in It's like Eddie Murphy Tracy Morgan And I think Arsenio Hall's in the scene And they're trying to get the king That's gonna take over Get him ready and prepared for the world That he's gonna enter And this song is the theme song To him finding his swag And wanted to run the kingdom his way or whatever And then So you have to know about all of that Before you create You don't have to But it's always best to get some info About what's going on Just so You can get the right feel You're not throwing the dart in a random direction I wanted to hit the bullseye So I need as much information as possible So I can make the song That's gonna be tailored As best to fit what y'all needs are So I sent off the record They loved it It's like oh this gonna be in a movie And then they was like What can we do to like Take it up another level And it was like how do you feel If we put Megan Estelle in on it I'm like You're thinking That's a great idea When you Did you get to see the movie? Before it came out no Because Ice T said when I was interviewing him That because that's one leverage You can see the movie If you're doing a song to it That they give you the opportunity You can apt to say man let me see the movie And I didn't know that you could do that But he definitely can I didn't get to see Coming to America Before it came out But I had another I had the title track for the movie The Hate You Give Okay I saw that movie before Okay Yeah I saw that movie Because you was making some music to Yeah That's whole Yeah So I saw that movie And then made the song And then sent it For The Hate You Give Coming to America They just gave me details On what the scene was gonna be Okay So and that was enough for me And I think that's The time we was in was so different You know That was a COVID time And that was the only big film for me that even Came out during that time Cause I think it was Amazon or something Well the movie was done I think that was the movie done before COVID But because of COVID It slowed everything down Yeah slowed everything down Right It was supposed to be a theatrical release And then um But all the theatrical releases in the U.S. Stopped because of COVID So Amazon acquired the rights And it ended up being the um The biggest streaming weekend Amazon Prime history Wow What was the first movie that um You actually wrote a song for It was The Hate You Give That was the first one Yeah in 2018 The Hate You Give The Hate You Give Man We shot the video right In South Dallas in my grandma house I had to shoot a Like Fox Pay to shoot a music video In South Dallas in front of my grandma That's crazy That's big Yeah Yeah And how was your hydra grandma She loved it She's in the video What? Yeah That's hard And I've interviewed guys that They put I think that's so live When you put your grandparents In the in the situation Cause it basically You got a memory man This is what this is about A memory for me Yeah You can show your son and be like That's your great grandma Or your great great grandson Can see it That's the part I love about it It's some real history It's real history Yeah But what did she say Because you know older people When she actually saw it What did she say about being in Baby You know this is This is good baby She scratched a lot of your ticket While I was doing my verse She did Yeah Did she win? I don't remember if she won I don't think she won But she done won in life She's still alive right now Oh man That's my great grandma How old is she? She's 102 Boy that's big You have longevity in your family Like 98 97, 98 That's a blessing Yeah That's a blessing I'm gonna get to the music again I want to talk about Penthouse Prayer with Rick Ross Yeah How that all came together Like because this I've interviewed a few people that About three people that got songs I hadn't interviewed Rick Ross But he did get in the comments He rocked with Boss Talks So like How was it even just working with him? Man So so crazy backstory The first rap album that I ever bought With my own money Was the Rick Ross Triller album Hey So that was always this Again I'm drawing the people that Like go get it And his music You just it just feels like luxury It feels like you hustling And you can you can make some of yourself You know what I'm saying So we was working on the album manifest Was working on it at Westlake Studios That's where like Michael Jackson recorded And all that So it's just the energy from the rugs to I don't know It's just a vibe in there And I made manifest in like 10 days Like the whole album in 10 days And I was just catching up rhythm And um So we do the penthouse prayers Penthouse prayers Penthouse prayers record I put the um The the verses And then we listened like just crazy Like put the hook And then I put the hook on there And he's like man who would be great on this And it was like what's the craziest thing We could think of you know Rick Ross Wow Let's hit him We hit Rick Ross He sent that verse back 48 hours later He was on it 48 hours later He agreed to do the video We shot the video in Florida And it was like A dream come true I'm like have Rick Ross on your album intro Like come on man Rick Ross man And I had a m-m-mayback like that Oh man You knew you Hey people know now Like I'm on Man Nah that was Blew my mind Wow Blew my mind And hearing it first For the first time Like out and about Just the way the whole thing come together Just in a club setting People don't realize how much you guys Y'all put so much into it That's a moment within itself Man You know what I'm saying Like to hear it when the people just look Vibing to it I'll tell you what's crazy The first time I heard his verse back in the studio That was like the peak one That was it That was it How was it? Explain it to me So um So J.Dot that hit me It's like yo I got a I got a surprise for you I'm like for real And you're like yeah So we get to the studio I would have like Bel-Air like every day come in on some Like two to three bottles of Bel-Air Our whole thing was champagne and cookies Like we had like some Choc warm chocolate chip cookies And we had a champagne And it was just a normal thing we would do So I'm pouring the stuff in the flutes Then he plays the song I'm like okay maybe we just vibing Then I hear like Like I heard I'm like What is this? You're already new And I don't I'm a god to miss I'm like yo This is Is this real right now Wow In the first four bars he do Is like the huh And then and then the Then the drums come in Like Yo Yo that was Crazy Priceless man Priceless It's price. This is my favorite rappers ever ever ever. Well, you know, he ain't the favorite I you know, I'm being you differ on the Jay Z thing, but I'm not gonna go that way You're number one. Yeah. Yeah, and I already know that cuz I look I tell my wife So I gotta go burn the same way he loves Jay. I got an interview here. I'm you know in the game I'm not saying he didn't win the game But when you all like me I go back to the like the beginning So it's hard on me cuz I know that you're favorite rapper Well, you gotta think about it's phases of favorite rappers. You can't see the favorite for all time period But when I look at the phases of rap I look at from, you know, African Bambada you you got you got a bunch of people, bro You got right Eric being rock him. You cannot even play with that. I hope enough for him Think about it. These guys before that style came this style We have today was not even thought of bro. Yeah, so they make they pioneers, bro. Like you can't how you top that I understand that makes you see how can you top that like how can you not put them in in everything you have to because They didn't it was it was about the way they delivery was you've never seen music deliver like that before rock him, man Ah, for real You see I stopped with that and then I'd be like all these people tripping because a lot of times when you uplift others Sometimes it kind of fade away some, you know what I mean? Absolutely. So that is unfortunate But and I'd be like, hey man, because I remember I know what it was to come through those doors Yeah, I remember the LL LL was solid back then too because we didn't have nothing Our favorite rapper or one of them. Well, we just didn't have nothing else when you think about you You weren't even born probably, you know what I'm saying? So we are here trying to figure it out But I get it why it is like it is and I respect the J dope business man wise you can't beat him like What a hip hop is done for entrepreneurs and young brothers, man I never man this I would never swear to take me. It's cold away. It went down because he helped make it go like that You know what I'm saying? You dropped reasonable doubt in 1996. Yeah, and then God did in 2022. It's like, yeah That's a long time. It's a long time. It'll be nice. No when you look at the full It's like, yo, it's this man crack same way like LeBron. It's like you got drafted in 2003 You've playing 20 years later and you're dropping 30 You I get it man, but I can't talk like that with you because I'm with Jordan. No, I got you. You see what I'm saying? I can't even play with it because I know the explosions and the intensity of the game when it was time to make it happen Yeah, nobody ever get with clutch time like Jordan. I separate them To me Jordan has the highest peak and LeBron has the best longevity. That's how I look at it And it's okay to respect both of them in there in their time They don't play the same position. They don't play the basketball the same way That's right. The same thing with when you look when you look at rap It's the same thing the time and because I could go on and on by EPMD and all those guys man and a boogie down production like this stuff was coming heavy and hard and it wasn't nothing else Right. What nothing else bro. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So you had to go with that and I respect it because that's what laid the foundation Right. We wouldn't be here the day without it. Exactly. Yeah, and that's that's kind of why I always bring that up because I'm like I'm old. I gotta make sure I tell the truth. Yeah, my truth, you know, I don't mean it is the end all It ain't just saying my error have to be spoken about so I can uplift the brothers who Basically didn't get to you know what I mean that's solid You know, but at the end of the day, I definitely get it man entrepreneurship in a whole another level Drake is doing crazy stuff right now, man Greatest hit man. Come on man Who's your top three artists of all time dead or live? Let's go any genre any genre Only three Michael Jackson That's one of the most Everybody know Mike is the goat. We might have to retire him like you see it Mike is the goat man. The thriller and the off the wall track list come on like come on man Mike is the goat. There's like three goats that we keep getting. Let's see who else you say The top three artists of all time dead or live any genre. Um, definitely Michael Jackson I'ma say, uh Kendrick Lamar. Okay. Are you down with that? We've got we've got Kendrick. Yeah Kendrick. Yeah. Um That thirst by tricky um I don't think on that third one. I don't know. I don't know that third but them two for sure If I had to throw somebody Throw somebody I'ma say James Brown What about jay? You didn't put jay in there, but that it's it's weird. It's like You're looking at a whole Artistry like jay-z is my favorite rapper and I and rap is art and uh, but It's totally different. It's like it's like the um the venn diagram It's like there's these two circles and there's a part where overlapping. That's the same and then it's like some whole other Shit. It's the three that everybody always put is your Michael you Tupac and your prince Those that make sense. That makes us the ones we get the most over there. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's talk about black neighborhood You and uh My boy killer Mike. Yeah, like how how did that go down and how's he doing these days? Man, so one salute killer Mike and just this this past week. I got a chance to open up for him On his uh Michael tour for the texas uh dates and houston and and dallas He's always been very supportive of what I was doing and he was my first Big feature when I got in the base. Yeah. Yeah killer Mike. So black neighborhood was a song I wrote Um, actually went when I worked at walmart. Oh, yeah They got the didn't got the razors yet y'all still was going, you know, they bumped the pay up after you left My pay was like 825 14 to 15 man, man, see you missed it. I'm glad I missed it because That's six dollar difference might have been too that might have been game changer. I might have been feeling a little cushy back in 2000 You know saying 12 13 Yeah, mine was eight. So it was a lot easier to quit, you know So I wrote it then and I had like kind of been sitting on it Like I was like this song is just crazy because not the song How my verses are there? No, it's no complete sentences. I'm just like naming like different stuff like in a black neighborhood It's like crackheads smack heads dead bodies courtroom hospital grandma drug deal gunchar. It's like going in just yeah different stuff like that So, um, jade, I heard it was like man, we gotta get killer Mike on this Like this is this is this is right up his lane right up his alley. I'm like, shit What you talking about? Like let's go and do it. You know I'm saying that he got killer Mike on it And killer Mike at the time with uh run the jewels that um, you know the group that he's in They were opening up for a lord Okay, that artist lord, um here in dallas And we had just left like south by southwest. So we drove from south by southwest came Was at a studio here in dallas. He came to the studio Got him some weed Rolled up a little bit and went in the booth. No paper No pen And did his verse in front of me Like it was nothing. It was nothing. It was nothing. It was just I was like, what the fuck like I heard like wain Did that Killer Mike black star black car black saint niggas raise a little black Going in no pen no paper nothing And then we chopped it up a little bit after and um And then I end up just running into him like different times like the night I wanted to Grammy is the night he performed a little baby at the Grammys um Yeah, like so he I hit j. Dot like tell him congrats He hit j dot tell me congrats and and we hadn't seen each other a bit in a bit And then I see him on his tour. He put out arguably the best album of 2023 and rap with this Michael album um And uh, he's in great spirits like I see him perform on stage. It's like a revival like There's some some strong vibes and I appreciate them giving me continuing to give me opportunities