 And I'm Abby. Abby, I cannot believe we're doing this. I know, I'm so excited. Me too. We're sitting here at the Virgin Hotel in Nashville. I think we need our audience to know who we are, so why don't you go ahead and start introducing yourself, what we're going to do with John, me, everything. Oh, I know. I hate. So, I'm Jamie Robinson, better known as John's Better Half. Yes, of course. I'm originally from South Louisiana, a small town called Homa, Louisiana, Berg, Louisiana actually, which is south of Homa, but nobody knows it. So, I always say the big town of Homa. I went to school at Nickel State, and that's actually where I met John. Tibode, Louisiana is where it's at, and he was a coach at the university. Not so sure if that was legal, since I was still a student. Oh my gosh, that's okay. I was 19, he was 24. I was actually a bartender at Tobobus II, which is a little sports bar right in the college town. We dated for, I think, a year and a half. Got engaged, married 10 months later. It was a whirlwind. Wait, so how old were you when you got married? I was 22. Oh my gosh. Newly 22. 22 in October, got married in February, and this February will be 20 years. That's amazing. It's fate. I know. Originally, he told me that we would be moving around because he wanted to be a coach, and unexpectedly, he got the opportunity to interview with Bill Belichick at the Patriots, and four months later, he moved me from Louisiana to Atlanta because he got the regional scouting job for the Patriots. That's crazy. It was. It was crazy, and we moved around about six times, and here we are. Yes. It's been amazing. We have two beautiful girls, Taylor and Bailey, who are 15 and 12, and it's been nuts. That's awesome. Yes. Now here we are. Yes. Tell us a little bit about you. I will tell you this, that you are my lifesaver when we moved here because when you move from Tampa to Nashville, not knowing anything about Nashville, I relied heavily on Nashville Guru. Yes. I love hearing that. I know. I love that. Yes. I'm one of the co-founders of Nashville Guru. I started it with my husband. He was my fiance at the time when we started it. You're a unicorn. You're from here. I am. I've been here since fourth grade. My husband's born and raised. He likes to throw that in my face that I was not born here. I have two children. My daughter is six. Her name's Jessa, and I have an almost six-month-old little boy who's just adorable and precious. He's precious. They both are. Yes. I'm from Nashville. Josh and I met in a very Nashville way. We went out with friends, and I didn't know him. We ended up in a late-night in Printer's Alley and hit it off. That's awesome. Fiddling steel is the exact bar that we were at. That's not here now. No. I didn't think so. No. I think so. It used to be right next to Lonnie's. Since that night, we just hit it off, and then we got engaged and got married. How many years? We've been married 10 years this October. Oh, October what? October 1st. That's my birthday. What? Yes. No way. Not even kidding. Oh my God. Okay, we're going to celebrate together. We are absolutely meant to be together. Who do I pick? You or Josh? I think you. I love it. We knew it. Well, speaking of knowing it, I'll never forget the first time I met you. Oh my God. Some of the Titans employees came to me and was like, we have this idea about this lifestyle podcast, and would you be interested? And I'm like, well, you kind of know I can talk to a pole. I mean, it doesn't take much out of me, especially if I have a glass of champagne in my hand. Like I do now. But as soon as you sat down and we could not stop talking, I was like, done. I know. Even now, everyone's like, you guys knew each other right before this, and we're like, no. We're just instant. We are going to have a blast. Instant besties. So tell us about our guests. We had so much fun. Caitlin Silver Howard, she is my neighbor, turned best friend out of necessity. We are together every single day with our kids. We live on the same street. She's three doors down. She is like a light in this world, and I'm so glad she got to be on the podcast. We talked to her all about her life in New York City and how she worked for New York Fashion Week and put on that event, and then how her her husband ended up winning the Voice Germany, which took them out of New York City to Berlin. And then they ended up in Nashville eventually. They actually launched a music company called Bookable in 2018. And so we talk all about that and what that is. And so we're just, we were so excited to have her on. And she was amazing. She was great. I enjoyed her. And I cannot wait to go sip some wine with y'all soon. Yes. Yes. You're in. Caitlin, we're so excited you're here. So start by telling us a little bit about where you grew up, where you went to college, and how you ended up in New York City initially. Well, thank you guys for having me. First and foremost. This is very exciting to be here. So I grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and went to college at the University of Wisconsin, big football team, and absolutely just loved my experience there. The people are incredible, the fanfare, the passion, Wisconsin in general is just a wonderful place to live. And, you know, I attribute a lot of the good things in my life back to people that I've met both growing up in Milwaukee and at the University of Wisconsin. So really, really good, good energy, good people. What did you major in? I majored in communications, radio, television, film. They did not have podcasts. Oh, here you go. Otherwise, I think I would have jumped on that bandwagon. That's awesome. Yeah. And I had a minor in history and think I graduated and felt very inspired, but also lost at the same time. Abby, I know that you had more of a specific degree that you were going for. But you know, I think in hindsight, I think it was the best degree that I could have gotten because it really forced me to figure out what I wanted to do. And post college, I actually took a year off and I traveled around the world, which for anyone ever that needs that break in their life, that was probably one of the coolest things. Do it while you can. I have to ask, a minor in history, what, I've always wondered that. Like if you minor in history, what would you do with that? Well, a lot of people go to law school if they major in history. Yeah, it seems to be a random correlation between law and, yeah, or they become professors or they study, you know, intricate parts of history and then they project their future. Yeah. Very interesting. I don't know. I've always wondered that. I know this is kind of random. My father's a huge history buff. Is he? So I think that amongst other things. That's awesome. So I think that was a big driver for me and I just, I loved it, but it was, it was kind of random. Yeah. You know what I mean? It wasn't strategic at that point. Oh, that's awesome. But yeah. Where did you go to college? I went to Nickel State. Okay. It's a really small college in Tibbetta, Louisiana. I'm from South Louisiana. Yeah. I majored in Fine Mew, but now we used to live in Boston and that was one of the things that like growing up, you always think, what am I going to do with history, you know, history classes? Why do I need to know this? But living in Boston, there's so much history out there is insane. And at that point was like, man, I wish I would have paid attention more. Well, you still can. That's the best part of life and you can still do it. My parents met in Boston. Did they really? Yeah. It's an incredible city. I've spent a lot of time there. They can keep the snow. Yeah. But I love the city so much. It is. It's special for sure. Well, I grew up in Wisconsin, so snow is my jam. Nashville is a good mix of everything. It is. It is great. When we had the snowstorm, what was that, back in February here in Nashville, you know, our street wasn't plowed for a week. So I was offering my services of driving people to the grocery store. I was like, I grew up in this. I know how to do this. Yeah. Well, you're so scared. It's like with the snow, you know, I was petrified to drive in the snow when we first got there. I mean, I literally grew up on the bayou and then you take me to the north pole. I actually asked John when we moved there, I said, am I going to need chains for my tires? And he's like, you've got to be. Is that a serious question? I'm like, yes, it's a serious question. Yeah. But now it's, of course, it's nothing, you know, to drive in it, but you're more worried about people here driving. Oh, yeah. Because they don't understand how to drive. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting driving. I mean, the rain throws people off here, so it's a little iffy. Okay. So you traveled for a year and then what did that look like coming back? Did you just start interviewing? Did you move to a specific city? Yeah. I think growing up in the Midwest, everyone's kind of you, you know, you go to a Big Ten school and then everyone moves to Chicago, that's just kind of a given. And after having traveled for a year, I just really felt the need to broaden my horizons and what that meant and my cousin actually was a dancer in the New York City Ballet and so I had, which is incredible and I had been out to visit her several times over the years and just kind of started falling more and more in love with New York City. So just decided to, you know, take that leap of faith and move there without a job and figure out what was next for me. So it was kind of whimsical, but kind of calculated all at the same time, but best decision I ever made. So yeah, I think it was great. So you just started applying for jobs and like, yeah, it was, you know, back in the day of people posted jobs on Craigslist and you had to read the newspaper. I'm totally aging myself right now, but yeah, and just, you know, word of mouth, friends of a friend, I ultimately ended up getting my first event planning job at Clinique Incorporate Estee Lauder, but it was a friend. Again, everything comes back to Wisconsin for me. It was a friend who was working there and, you know, had gotten my resume and put me forward and yeah. So what types of events were you doing for them? So that one was interesting because we did, part of it was events for a lot of the Clinique sales people all over the country as like big rewards got these, they would go to Orlando and there would be a thousand people and they would learn all about the new products and so they were big like launch events, but they were also kind of like rewards for the people that were doing well within the company. So we would do those, but then we also did some of the Estee Lauder family private events as well. So it was like a good mix of really big, massive production and then also very... I never realized they were linked together. Yeah, so Estee Lauder owns maybe like a hundred different beauty companies. No kidding. Yeah, it's crazy. They own Clinique, they own Mac, they own, I mean it goes on and prescriptives, do you guys remember? Prescriptives? Yes. I'm like, I'm still mourning the loss of prescriptives, they have the best foundation ever. I actually think you still can order it online. So yeah, you walk into a Nordstrom, they own 90% of the store. I did not know that. Yeah. But it was insane because there was in Estee Lauder building, which is right on Fifth Avenue in the corner of Central Park, at the bottom of it they had a company store. So we got 50% off the company store, so you would go down there. And it was like Christmas. Oh my gosh. It was amazing. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. Yeah. They own like Joe Malone, the candles, I mean they own like everything. So yeah, for a couple of years there, my family got a lot of makeup they didn't want. Christmas, birthday, father's day, that's awesome. So one of the things that Abby told us about is you worked the fashion show week. How was that? And what did you do for that? New York Fashion Week, I think over the course of the last 15 years has taken on many different iterations. Most people think about it in Bryant Park in the big tents. I actually worked with a couple brands before I worked in-house at IMG, which owns New York Fashion Week. I did like the LaCoste show, which was always super fun and they gave away amazing LaCoste bags and hats and all the very fun things. I worked on Benazs Serifor, which she's a big designer. I did a couple of the actual fashion shows, but then when I worked for New York Fashion Week, they had moved it into this kind of old warehouse that we would take over. And I did a lot of work with the partners, some beauty like Tressame, a lot of the sponsors that would help kind of build all the sets and make sure that the designers can afford to show there and those type of things. And the sponsors that worked on that were anything from papyrus cards to smart water. It was kind of whatever we were pulling in at the time to make those work. But yeah, we built all of the runways and the backstage and kind of the build out of it. So we did all of that, soup to nuts. We had a very small team, which is only ironic because when you see the pictures and the production, you can't imagine that there's only a handful of people behind the scenes running. We worked with amazing production companies and every fashion designer has their own people that they bring in for their shows, so every designer gets booked a certain time slot and whatnot. How many years did you do that for? So I only did that specific job for two years. I kind of jumped around a lot within my event planning and marketing career. I love it. That's awesome. It was super cool. Living in New York and anyone that's ever done any of the bigger cities, New York, LA, DC, Chicago, you work at these big companies, they just throw you in. It's like kind of sink or swim and they're super fast paced and they're very intense, but you learn so much at such a young age. And I think it's like boot camp. Yeah. For real life. It is. Which is cool. That's crazy. That's awesome. Before we move on, because you left New York shortly after that, what was like your favorite restaurant in New York that like you have to go back to? Okay. So there is a man named Frank and he owns several restaurants throughout the city in Brooklyn. There's a restaurant called Frank. There's a restaurant called Little Frankies. There's a restaurant called Supper. So Supper is like my favorite Italian restaurant in New York City. He is incredible. He has a bunch of others, different iterations of it now, but just some of the best Italian food. Oh my gosh. So fresh and just a solid go-to every time you're there. Yes. I love it. Go to Supper. So what pulled you away from New York initially, correct me if I'm wrong, is not to change the subject from you because you're amazing. Your husband, Nick Howard, had the opportunity to go on The Voice Germany. Is that why you guys left initially? Yeah. Ironically, ironically, I had just gotten my dream job in New York. I was hired to be the head of marketing and events at Hearst, which owns everything from Cosmo to Good Housekeeping to, you know, they own 30 magazines and also have a huge media department. So I'd just gotten a job there and I remember I had this incredible boss named Lily Root and I kind of casually said to her, oh, because she was asking me, oh, where's your husband? Or what is he doing? You know, I said he's a singer-songwriter and The Voice in Germany just asked him to be on it, but he's British and he doesn't really know German. So like, I kind of swept it under the rug a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you know. This won't happen. Yeah, I was like, you know, he's really good. Like, I'm obviously his number one fan, however, I didn't think much of it. So basically, from an insider perspective, The Voice and a lot of these shows go after pre-existing musicians. Some are just walk off the street, but sometimes they're like, you're doing really well. You're at this level, we can help project you to this level. So they asked them to come audition. So that's kind of what happened. My husband, Nick, had been garnering a pretty cool following specifically in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. And so The Voice came to him and they just said, would you ever want to audition? And he said yes. And they said the only caveat is you have to learn German in two months. Oh my gosh. I didn't know it was that soon. Yeah, it was crazy. So the reason he had to learn German though was the speaking was all in German. The singing was 99% in English. He never had to sing a German song. Oh, he didn't. Yeah. And most of the contestants sang in English. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. You have been watched every episode. I would have Nick Howard. Season two of The Voice Germany escaped me somehow back in 2012. I don't know. I can't be friends anymore. He sang in German. He has sung in German, but not for the show. So yeah, so that was crazy. So I, at the time, I was living my best life in New York City in Hirst Tower and he was living in Germany in Berlin. And they got him tutors. He used Rosetta Stone. You know, they only spoke to him in German while taping like the initial parts of the show. I think he's highly intelligent and picked it up. Obviously. Super fast. And then, you know, ultimately week by week, he was getting through to the next round and I was always flying out from New York on Thursday night on the red eye and landing Friday morning. And he would be on the show Friday afternoon. Wow. And then he'd win. And then I'd get back on the plane and go back to New York. You got a lot of frequent flower miles, right? Yeah. Our children are not going to college, but I did get to go to Germany a lot. That's for sure. So it was a super exciting time and we, you know, my boss Lily that I brought up before was very supportive because this is, you know, she looked at me at one point and she was like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, right? Yeah. You have to go. You have to support him. And then, yeah, he ultimately, you know, he was supporting him. And then, yeah, he ultimately ended up winning the entire thing, which was crazy. I still get goosebumps. I'll talk about it. So is he like the Justin Bieber of Germany right now? I'm going to say yes. Really? Awesome. Oh. A little. A little. I am very global. Okay. Maybe like the job. Yeah. Exactly. Well, cheers to the Justin Bieber of Germany. I love that, by the way. Yeah. So he, he ended up winning and I made the very hard decision of leaving my job and moving over to Berlin for a year. And it was incredible, but the only thing was that he was fluent in German by the time I got there. So I didn't get to really indulge in learning any language. Most Germans are offered and do learning. So they just wanted to speak English to me and I was trying to speak German to them. So it was quite, you know, problematic, but all, all good things. So how did you do coming in with being his wife and now he's a star, his fame? How did you handle that? Yeah. It's interesting because when I was on my way over here, I was thinking very similar question to ask you. That's why I asked him. Yes. It is. It's interesting too because being an event planner, I've always been behind the scenes. I'm not forward facing in the limelight. And he is that person that should be on TV and should be in front of the camera. And, you know, to support that and to have the wherewithal to understand what needs to go into that. Yes. Is very exciting, but also when real life sets in, it's scary. It's scary. It can be exhausting. It can be, you know, very tricky for trying to manage both people's expectations and what they want and what they need, especially living in a different country in a different language. I think too, when you're uprooted in which I'm sure you have been several times in your career, it takes a second to adjust your mentality and to understand I'm doing this because this is the goal in life, right? And to get behind that. But your personal needs, if you don't address them, and this is all hindsight is easier in 2020, you don't address them, then they can compound and it can be more difficult at the end. It's true. Do you feel that way? Absolutely. We've been in this for 20 years now and it's always been so exciting, you know, and he was an area scout, regional scout, national scout. It was just, wow, he keeps going up and being a GM. At the beginning, he never really thought about it, but whenever it became real, it was so exciting. And then we get to Nashville and it was like, boom, everybody knows who he is. You know, going through the grocery store and people scream, tighten up. At first, it was so fun, but then after a year, it just got like, I just want to go to the store and, you know, with my husband and it did, it took some time to adjust. Now I could care less, you know, but at the beginning, it was, it was hard. It really was. I made a very, for better or for worse, odd decision. From the beginning that I did not want to be in the public eye with the show. So I was never on camera just because I wasn't comfortable with it. And it wasn't about me. It was about him. Right. Right. And that also created some odd speculation of like, who, does he have a girlfriend? No, but more just like the questions, like, does he have a girlfriend? Oh, then they found out he has a wife and like, why is she not? Yeah. You know what I mean? And it was more personal. It was just, it was my decision. Right. And we still struggle with that. We have two little girls and, you know, he has a very public facing music career and I'm, sometimes I'm comfortable sharing things about the girls and sometimes I'm not. And it changes constantly. And so it is, I think to your point, like all of a sudden you're thrown into this line like. Yeah. And it, it can be scary and daunting. And the crazy thing is I never expect it to feel that way. Right. You know what I mean? I always expect it to be like, oh, this is, and I am so proud of him and where he is and how he became a GM. Right. But it surprised me so much that at one time I went and saw a therapist about it. Girl is the best decision I ever made. Probably should have. So you're one step above me. It was, it was, it was challenging. It was. It's good for you for taking hold of that because if you hadn't had done that, you might be in a different place. Right. You have to. Exactly. And I think it is. I'm sure Abby and Josh know this too. I mean, they own a business together and they work together constantly and when Nick won the voice, I was part of his management team. And so we were working together and you're just together all the time and you're trying to capitalize on this once in a lifetime opportunity. Right. And so every decision felt so heavy and so important and that's taxing as well too. You know, there's just no reprieve. And then I think when you are able to step out of it and say, okay, life's going to go on. Yes. We're going to be okay. Not everything is so serious, but it is in those moments. It is, especially when you're working towards a goal that this has been your goal your entire life. And if you don't do it right, it could all go away. Yes. Yeah. So I think that was the most. It was scary, you know, but it was exciting. It's the same thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do y'all go to Germany a lot? We do. We do obviously not during COVID. But we are over there a lot. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands. He still has a phenomenal fan base over there who have supported him, you know, throughout almost the last 10 years. Oh, that's incredible. That's really cool. And such good people over there too. That's awesome. So did you have to stay over there for a certain period of time after the voice? Or could you, could you guys end up back in LA? Yeah. So we, we were kind of on the road for a good, a solid year after he won the voice. Okay. With all the tours that they had booked and promotional. I think here in the U.S. they do it every six months. Over there it's just once a year. So it was like, he was the winner for a whole year. I mean, we got to do some incredible things too. They, they flew us to Beijing. He did the voice of the world. They flew in. Yeah. It was super cool. So it wasn't just Germany. It was more global. That's awesome. Yeah. So we were there for a year and then we decided he wanted to do bits and pieces of albums in, we lived in London for a while and we moved out to LA and moved there for a couple months. And this was just kind of when Airbnb was on the rise. So it was just so nice cause we didn't really have a home and we were somewhat nomadic and just would pick up in different cities with our suitcases and his guitar. And I'm assuming y'all didn't have children yet at that time. We did not. So how cool is that? Wow. Super cool. Yeah. It was whimsical. And while we were on a tour with, you know, a bigger artist that Nick was opening for, I thought that I was pregnant, which was so fun and continued to do different tours. And then I think we were eight months pregnant and we happened to be in Madison, Wisconsin where I went to school and I kind of had to roll out of the tour bus because I was so pregnant and I was like, maybe we should find a home. So you're like, where am I going to have this baby? I was like, where do I live? Oh my gosh. So did you come to Nashville at that point? So it's funny because Nick had recorded parts of albums down here throughout his career. He's got seven, six and a half albums. So it was, we had been down here a lot and every time we came, we just fell more and more in love with the city and the people and the ease, especially coming from all these major cities where, you know, life is pretty chaotic. And so when Madeline, our six year old, was six months old, we came down here and looked at about 50 houses, looked at neighborhoods in Nashville, our poor realtor, and then moved back to New York and decided we were going to stay in New York for a little bit longer. And that's when I worked for New York Fashion Week. And then two years later, we were just done and we called our poor realtor up again. She's like, uh-oh, yeah. I'm sitting here thinking, wow, they had 50 houses for sale. Right now they're like, do you want this one? Oh, it's gone. Exactly. That's so true. We live in 12 South neighborhood and we fell in love with it the first time we came and then ultimately, even just two years later, ended up paying way more money for a house. Yes. But we ended up on the best street ever. Best street ever. They're neighbors. You almost have a lot of fun. I think I'll be coming over a lot. You're invited every day. Thank you. I'm in the club. It's very fun. So we ended up moving down about four years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. And we had our second daughter here in Nashville and we just love the city so much. We love it. I'm obsessed with it. Yes. How long have you guys been here? I think we've been here for six years. I think this is our sixth season, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know. It all blends together. Oh, sure. I'm sure it does. Like something about football. Yeah. It just all collides. Growing up in the Midwest, I think for us when we were looking to relocate elsewhere, you know, we wanted that kind of that community that we knew that our children would grow up with humility and kindness and, you know, collaboration. Yes. And, you know, there's only a certain number of cities that really embody that in the U.S. that also don't have the chaos, right? Yes. And I think that Nashville just was calling our name for so many reasons, not just musically for next perspective, but just from a community in a, you know... You're meant to be here with me every day. Every day of your life. Do y'all get together a lot? Soul sisters. Oh, yeah. Daily. Daily. So are the girls about the same age as your daughter? Jessa and Maddie are besties. Well, they're required to be even if they... Yeah, they don't have a choice. They're like sisters, they do. I would like, oh, your sister. Yeah. Y'all are going to love it. So when we lived in Massachusetts across the street, our neighbors had girls the same exact age as our girls, and then they had a son a couple of years later. But anyway, the girls are still best friends. Oh. And when we moved there, our youngest was six months old, maybe even four months old, and then our oldest was four. And we were just on vacation with them this year. And it had been 18 months since we've seen them. We always made it a point every six months to see each other. So it was just when we left them, bawled our eyes out. All of us, even the dad, not John. John is just like, y'all are silly. I'm not going to say the word he said, but... Oh, my gosh. But it's such a connection to have neighbors like that, and you feel so lucky. Raising kids together, like you have to have it. It would be so lonely without it, especially. It's life-saving, I think, for not only the kids, but for us. Those slay dates, those wine play dates are the best. The best total date. Totally. I'm assuming your husband probably travels a lot. Well, he did pre-COVID. He did pre-COVID. Post-COVID. We've been all at home a lot. Yeah, a lot of them. Because we were joking with our neighbor this past week. I was joking whenever I would introduce him. I'm like, yeah, he co-raised my children, because John traveled so much. I'm like, sure. He was the one that went sledding with them, because I would not go sledding. It's such a neat connection that the whole families, both families have. Yeah. That's so sweet. I know. When you find those special people in your life and the special connections, you just have to go. You hang on to them. Because you get to pick your, we call it, our family, right? Yeah. You get to choose who you want to be a part of your daily life, especially if you don't have any immediate family lives here. So Abby and Josh and Justin, Judah are our family. He's true. You know? It's true. I know. Aw, that's so sweet. I have some champagne. She's drinking. How many years have you all did I ask this question already? I repeat myself a lot. We met when you were pregnant with Micah, so it's been three over three. Yeah. Three and a half, four years, three months. Aw, that's awesome. Because everyone told me, Caitlyn is so fun. You're going to love to party with her, blah, blah, blah, blah. She wasn't drinking, and I was like, what's going on? I was like, I heard, I was like, I heard you're so fun. And she was like, I'm pregnant. And I was like, Oh God. And as much as we feel like we should hang out all day and drink together, we have to make money. Unfortunately, that's kind of how life works. It gets in the way. I know it does. It gets in the way of fun. But tell us about Bookable, which is your amazing events company. And you will explain it way better than I can. Well, thank you. After the first year, after Nick won the voice, he had done so much traditional touring at that point, you know, venues and more corporate sponsor type events. And then we, we really wanted to kind of flip the script a little bit. We were like, how can we capitalize on his celebrity and make things more personable and make things more memorable? So we had been hearing about a trend that had started in the US and the UK and Australia called house concerts. The thought process was you could bring a musician into your backyard, into your living room and have this magical moment. And then the person that's bringing them in would either pay for it or sell tickets to their friends. Oh, wow. And so we did that with him and we booked about 50 shows and it was just such a So cool. intimate way of bringing live music into people's lives in a totally different fashion. And, you know, as we all kind of move into 2020 and 2021 and beyond, you know, I think there is this need of having these exciting different experiences that, you know, you're probably never going to get that again, right? And if you have that person in your house or in your backyard or, you know, he did things that he would sing the first dance at someone's wedding. So it was just like very highly curated, very special moments. And kind of seeing that trend when we moved to Nashville, we decided to open our own company with that on the forefront. We launched it in 2018. I was nine months pregnant. Oh, wow. Brave you. Wow. Our launch party, I was, oh, yeah. It was 100 degrees outside here in Nashville and I was very large. But you know what? No time like the present, right? You got to just go for it in these moments. We originally had built a platform that was connecting. It was kind of like an Airbnb of live music. So connect fans with brands and people in the private sector. And we still do that. But we then during COVID really transitioned into bringing live music to Nashville safely. We were able to do live music and wine tasting events outside all during COVID. Socially distanced. And it was just, it was one of those ideas that Nick woke me up in the middle of the night and was like, we have to put the musicians back to work. And they're all sitting on their couch. And they're all going crazy. So we moved in October and we were waiting for our house to be ready. And we actually found a rent house in 12 South. And one night we were sitting on our porch. And don't you know that there was a live band playing down our street. So we sat on that porch and we had a fire going. And I was like, okay, I want to move here. I'm still looking at real estate as well. So come on. But it was so cool. So I'm like, I wonder if it was you? I know. Yeah. I don't know if that was us, but we were somewhere doing it. We've done over 50 events during COVID, which is like insane. But we did them really safely. And we, you know, they were small. Yeah. At one point it was like 20 people. Everyone masked. I mean, you were outside six feet apart. It was so safe. And being with Nashville Guru, like I know what events are going on. And you guys were really like the first ones to pivot and be able to pull it off really well and do it safely. So it was like really impressive. Thank you. And Nashville Guru supported us from the beginning. So that was very kind and sweet and really put us on the map. So I have you to thank for that. You know, when you scale Nashville back and you think about, okay, this city is built strategically on music. And then you, you know, we've had all of these crazy things happen here in Nashville. In the last like 18 months. And for us, it was just like, how do we be part of the solution? How do we get people back on stage? Yeah. And then allow people to come and hear live music. Cause I think mentally too, I think everyone needed a break. Like they needed a glass of wine and they needed to hear live music. So once we kind of figured out that we could do this small, very safely, we were able to kind of just keep it rolling. And we did it week after week. We were just like, we're just gonna keep doing this until no one wants it anymore. And we're, we're still going. And now we've kind of taken the idea that original one was called Secret Sounds, which we still do on Thursdays over at White Avenue Studio. And we've now taken that same idea and we do live from the rooftop at the Kimpton Hotel, which is super magical up there. So we've been up there. Yes. It's very, it's gorgeous. So that's kind of dreamy. And we do similar, you know, live music and wine tastings. So yeah, it's just been great. And a lot of companies will come to us and they'll say, we're here in Nashville and we have this event and we need this type of musician. So we do a lot of music curation as well. Nick being a musician and you know, I come from the event planning world. We can plan, you know, an entire event. Wow. We can just help place the musician. So we kind of can do it all. Yeah. We're soup to nuts and all of the things and we have a lot of musical equipment in our garage. Yes, you do. Yes. Your car can barely fit at this point. And it keeps growing. Nick's like, I just went to the guitar center and there's like a huge box. You know, like we're going to need a warehouse eventually. So I know your events are so much fun. How do you keep up work-life balance with two beautiful little girls and a husband and at least you get to work together or you wouldn't see him. I bet that is very true. That is very true. I don't know how we all balance it, but at least we have each other. Having good women in your life is so important. Amen to that. We all know. I think it keeps us all sane and it reminds us that we're not the only ones going through the struggles of daily life. Someone the other day asked me, what do you want in the next five years? And my answer was balance. You know, I think that's what we're all trying to achieve is how do I, you know, do a good job at my actual job, whether that's being a full-time mother or owning a business or trying to start a crazy business in the middle of a pandemic or, you know, trying to support our lifestyle and our children and what does that mean? And for me, it's really having good people in my life. I really, and this is not meant to be in a mean way, but I just don't have any room for people that don't support me at this point in my life. And I don't know if that's not, if that's getting older. Keep your circle small. Yeah, keep it small and keep it, you know, you want people that lift you up. Drama free. Yes. I know drama. Deal with the drama. Uh-uh. Because you just don't have enough time, right? No. You have certain things that you carve out throughout the day. You're like, okay, this needs attention, 30% of the time. Yes. You know, like, oh, the kids need to be fed. Yes. Like, Well, listen, when your girls and your son becomes teenagers, there's a lot more drama in their life. So you don't have time for that drama in your life. Oh, that's so true. So, I might just deal with it outside of me. I can't handle it. I'm actually really scared. I will, No, don't be scared. It's seriously, like, each stage of their lives, it's been absolutely incredible. And every stage, I'm like, oh, this is my favorite. This is my favorite. And right now, this is my favorite. Yeah. Because it's, they're my little best friends, you know, and like my little one was going to come today. I say little, she's 12. Yeah. She was going to come today because she wanted to see everything until I told her how long we would be here. And she's like, yeah, mom, I'll just see it later. Yeah. You know, but they're my best friends. And it does get easy. They have their hiccups. John and Taylor were screaming at each other this morning, trying to get ready. And I'm trying to curl my hair. I'm like, y'all need to stop. You know, like, so it's, it's fun. Motherhood is so much fun. It is so fun. Yeah. And I think sometimes and Abby and I have each other as sounding boards. When it feels too much, you just have to take that step back and realize. Absolutely. It's another day. Absolutely. It's going to be okay, you know, but I think it is hard to balance the work and the kids. And you're trying to make sure you work out every day. Yes. And, you know, everyone. And if you don't get it in, it's okay. Right. Exactly. I know. But it is, there's a lot that, that weighs on us. I think as women and as mothers constantly and that will probably never go away, but there's, I'm sure there's a biological reason. If someone could tell me what it is, that would be very... That's why our children are alive. If we did not have that. But, and I'm sure that John is, you know, I know he's probably physically not as present as some fathers for good reason. But, you know, Abby and I have very supportive husbands that are 50, 50, you know, with us and all the things and feel very lucky. Because even with that, it's still hard. Right. Right. So, I can't imagine, Jamie, how you do it props to you. It's been hard at times. But at the same time, we've been blessed to where when we moved, I don't know, our third time and we had Taylor, our oldest at four months old. We moved from Georgia to Texas. And what we did is we took my salary out of it. And because in my mind, I'm like, okay, I'm in this alone. There's how to, I don't know how I would have done it working. But that's just me. Like I praise you, working moms so much. But my anxiety could not handle it. You know, I'm like, I just knew what would be best for me. And we took my salary out and we lived on peanut butter. You know what I mean? Yeah. But we were able to grow and do that. And I was able to be with the girls and it did help me just handle things better. You know, because he was gone a lot. I mean, there were times it would be two weeks at a time and not living near family. No. That was tough. That's so hard. That's why I relied a lot on my page that lived across the street, you know, and her husband helped so much. But it is, it's part of the job. And that's what, you know, when I laugh because John literally gave me an ultimatum when we were dating for one month. He said, look, this is my career. And at the time he was coaching and he was like, this is my career. And I know you like me and I like you. And if this is going to continue, I need you to know that you're probably going to move. Because at the time we were in Louisiana. And I was like, you know what? That sounds like fun. I'll move. You know, I didn't realize it would be like eight moves. Yeah. Yeah. Was there a cap at the number of times? No. There were plenty of tears. Yeah. But I just did it. It's day by day. It's day by day. It is. Yeah. It's day by day. And you never look back and I'm a very, you know, YOLO type of person. If an opportunity presents itself. And it makes sense for your family and you personally. I would never want to look back and say, we made the wrong decision by not doing something. Exactly. Exactly. So once I think you get into that mentality, it's like, yeah, let's try it if it fails. We move on. Exactly. We go in a different direction. Exactly. But it's tough to do that. It's tough. Now, I will tell you, my mom's from New Zealand, met my dad at 19 years old in Sydney, Australia. My gosh. Moved to the states. They lived in Louisiana. So my mom had no family and then my dad worked offshore seven and seven. So he was home for seven days, off for seven days. So I didn't have your typical dad home all the time. So I personally never knew what it was like. So I really think that that helped me with John and his career, you know, and not having him around. Yeah. And I laugh. I'm like, good. Thank God, because we're really happy now. I don't know how that would work. Oh, my gosh. Tell our audience how they can find Bookable or you're going to have events ongoing, right? We are always posting new events all the time and you can this is Bookable and this is Bookable.com. And if you just, I love it, Google Bookable. I can't wait. I'm already thinking, ooh, I know. Girls night. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Let me have to take off. She's not allowed to work that night. Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for being here. You know, I love you and I appreciate you so much. I enjoy meeting you so much. Same and we can talk wine We want to thank Caitlin Silver Howard for being on today. It was just such a joy to talk to her and hear from another mom and a woman in business who's doing it all. Yes. She was so impressive from the background of her husband and then being nine months pregnant and launching this business. That blew my mind. I know. She's incredible. Thank you guys so much for listening to Out of Bounds with Jamie and Abby. We are going to have fun. Cheers to us. I love you. We love you. We are going to have fun. Yes, we are.