 Somehow, again, at the House at Pooh Corner, and we have an exciting innovation happening here at ORCA, which is three different people on a Skype call with me from California and New Jersey, and they're rather crucial to the events happening in our time. Because they are with the Lawyers' Committee for a 9-11 Truth, they have done petitions and supplemental petitions to the grand jury in New York City, trying to explain to them the likelihood of certain causes and results having to do with 9-11, and we will be talking to each of them who will be explaining what their different roles have been in these petitions to the grand jury. We have Barbara Honiger, whom I met many years ago in Montpelier. She's from California, and I will tell you a little bit about Barbara. Served at high-level positions in the U.S. government, including White House policy analyst, special assistant to the assistant to the president and director of the Attorney General's Law Review at the Department of Justice from 95 to 2011. Ms. Honiger served as senior military affairs journalist at the Navy Postgraduate School, and she was in that position when we met her here in Montpelier, and the premier science technology and national security affairs graduate research university of the Department of Defense, her pioneering book October Surprise on the Deep Story behind the Iran side of the Iran-Contra scandal, subsequently confirmed by formerly classified documents. Well, anyway, you get the picture that Barbara has been in the trenches for all these years regarding the truth of American activities having to do with 9-11 and Iran-Contra, and we also have Richard Gage, whom I interviewed several times over the many years on my radio program, which was also called the House of Poo Corner, and Richard Gage is the head of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, and he has been focused primarily on the demolition of Building 7, but also on the techniques of demolition that had to do with Towers 1 and 2. So he's with us today, and someone I have not met, David Meiswinkel, is the president of the Lawyers' Committee for 9-11 Truth, and he will tell you a little bit about himself because I don't know anything. So let's start with David, the chair and president of the Lawyers' Committee, and give us a little introduction as to the petition and where that has gone with the grand jury and what the grand jury may or may or may not be up to, and I'll even throw out a question right now for you. Who else besides the Lawyers' Committee is contributing petitions and is contributing information to the grand jury? I've read that you're in partnership with other groups, if I've understood that correctly, and it's not just the Lawyers' Committee for 9-11 Truth that is handling the information that goes to the grand jury. So tell us about yourself, and then if you can answer my complicated question. So go for it. I'm a licensed attorney in New Jersey since 1989, a practicing criminal defense attorney for the past 10 years, and I am presently the president of the Lawyers' Committee for 9-11 Inquiry and a board member, and we are a nonprofit organization. You can access us through LC4FOR911.org, also a retired police officer, and a United States Army veteran. As a police officer, I founded a community newspaper, Taxpayers and Tennis Association, which exposed local political corruption, and that led to federal indictments of powerful local officials, and at one time when I was in the police office, I was myself a whistleblower. I have a number of things I can tell you, but at a valuable time. So I won't, other than that presently, as you mentioned, there was a grand jury petition that was submitted in April of 10th of last year, 2018, and an amendment was submitted. This is to the U.S. Attorney in the Southern District in New York. This is where Ground Zero is, is where the big buildings are, the big high rises, World Trade Center towers, and other important buildings in that complex. That's where that aspect of the crime happened. And in that area, the U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Berman, he received from us a petition requesting a grand jury investigation. There's 52 pages, and it was 57 exhibits that are very powerful. And I'm sure Richard and Barbara will talk about those exhibits and the profoundness of them. But we have, are working actually with no one other than architects and engineers on a joint fundraiser. And that has been directed towards the grand jury petition to further this cause to ensure that a proper grand jury proceeding is conducted in the Southern District. This will be the first time to our knowledge that ever a criminal investigation into the crimes of 9-11 involving the controlled demolition evidence, the evidence of explosives, the evidence of bombs is being relayed now to the public, and it's being supported. We like to say this positively or conclusively that these buildings came down official story, which was office fires or office fires caused by gasoline from the airplane. That's one of the buildings wasn't even hit by an evidence is there. And as we said, it's dispositive. So we are associated with architects and engineers in another way too. They are the prime establishment of that organization. And that organization is comprised of professionals, scientists, architects, et cetera, researchers, and they don't have an ax to grind. They're trying to present the truth, the physics, the science of the crime. And so we take a lot of their information, their evidence that they've gathered since 2006, 2007, and we've packaged it as attorneys can do. And we've now presented it in the leading USC 3332, which mandates makes it a obligation on the part of the use attorney to present that evidence now to a grand jury, a special grand jury, which will be convened basically to hear the evidence. So that's the significance of architects and engineers. They've gathered the evidence at ground zero. And the significance of working with them now is that jointly on a fundraiser is to gather money so that we can take this grand jury petition all the way and do whatever we have to do what lawyers have to do to ensure that this matter is being so that's a little bit. I don't have to answer your questions there, Jim. No, it does. Thank you. And the big news for those of us in the 9-11 Truth Movement, who sort of began this on day one, the big news is that you have presented this evidence into a format that by law has to keep going. Berman can't just throw it out the window, right? He has a legal obligation to go further with it. Yes, he does. He has a legal obligation. Now, we're supplementing things and we may get into that. Recently, they received from us, the Lawyers' Committee, a summary of persons, companies and entities who may have material information related to the federal crimes of 9-11 as they applied to New York City. And this is fairly powerful information. It's been done in two different, basically, presentations. One is a redacted presentation and one is unredacted. And the unredacted as well at the grand jury hopefully will receive from the U.S. Attorney because we've asked them to convey it. And this will basically provide a roadmap for the lay jurors. Most of them probably will be startled stunned by some of the information they'll receive and look for some guidance as far as how to approach it, how to connect dots and things of that nature. So we've taken that step recently to submit two versions. One version is just for a secret, all right? And that basically is for a number of reasons, but a grand jury proceeding is secret. The other version is public and you'll be able to access that on our website, LC4FOR911.org. And there you'll see basically more of the various categories like first responders who reported and hearing explosions and tenants and visitors who reported it and et cetera. So it's more general and that's for a number of reasons. But that you can access on our website. All right. Well, thank you. Can you give the website slowly and clearly again the Lawyers Committee for 9-Eleven Truth? LC, that stands for Lawyers Committee. LC4 is the spelling that out, F-O-R. So it's LC4911 will help us in this joint effort. It's financially, certainly please access the website and you'll be able to do that. And if you have information, you'll be able to contact us too. If you look at and hit the button about us, there'll be a drop down where you can contact us and share the information you have and give us your number and address or name or whatever you want to do. All right. Thank you. Yeah, it's difficult for those of us who follow this since day one to even imagine that there's anybody left on the planet who thinks that Osama bin Laden pulled off the 9-Eleven Attacks. But there are millions of people out there who are in that boat and it's hard to tell them. It's hard to get the conversation started. And I've even, I don't even know a Ph.D. who looked at the demolition of Building 7 and he said, oh, that's a result of a volcanic reaction to the heat from the center of the building causing the building to collapse symmetrically. And I said, well, except that there wasn't much heat and it wasn't in the center of the building. So you should probably Right. Well, Richard can answer that and he can respond to that well. And I know he's done it hundreds of times throughout the world. He can feel that question with that professor straight. All right. Well, let's go to Barbara Honiger. And you can tell this story from your perspective. And if you want to bring in the evidence of the, oh, no, this, that's the Pentagon. So I was going to say that your claim to fame was the spotting the clocks that had all stopped before the attacks began. But we're talking about. To be fair, I have a lot more than just clocks. Thank you. Yes. Yes. But anyway, that's Washington, D.C. And we're talking about New York City today. So anyway, the grand jury petition and the petition supplement at this point is only about the World Trade Center evidence. Yes. So go ahead. Tell us your part in this effort. The intro for myself anyway, that you mentioned, maybe you did correct me, but I am on the board of the Lawyers Committee for 9-Leven Inquiry and an officer of the Lawyers Committee. And even before I joined the board, which was a little over a year ago and became an officer, I was also for quite a period of time before that and still a major researcher for the group. In other words, I do serious, significant background research for the documents that you've read, the petition and the petition supplement, working hand in glove with our president, Dave Meisswinkel, you just heard from, and our litigation director, Tarny McHarrison. So that's a major contribution. Also, as you know, because we're doing it right now, Dave Meisswinkel, myself and Richard Gage, founder and head of Architects for Engineers for 9-Leven Truth, have been doing these radio shows on our joint fundraising drive for the Lawyers Committee now for a number of months and we're continuing to do that. So we really appreciate any donations, any financial donations to support this critical, critical breakthrough work that the Lawyers Committee is doing, not just for 9-Leven Truth, but after over 18 years for 9-Eleven Justice, real 9-Eleven Justice, as Dave Meisswinkel likes to say, we're inside the castle and we have drawn up the drawbridge, okay? So we're inside the federal government castle, everybody. It really makes a difference. So that's the gist of my involvement, but maybe you wanted to ask a more substantive question. Well, yes, that's an introduction. That's a good introduction to us as to who you are and what you've been up to with this effort. What kind of mandate, that's not the right word, what specifically is your contribution in terms of evidence? If you're allowed, I know you're not allowed to name names, but... Yeah, under, as I called in my research background, there's our, along with architects and engineers work that they've already done over all of these years are the major contributions to these documents. And these documents, the petition is 52 pages long. So people just need to read the petition. And you go to our website again, L-C-F-O-R-911.org. And you, it's obvious where you click to read the World Trade Center grand jury petition. And when you get to that petition, for anyone who isn't already an attorney or in the legal profession, I highly recommend you immediately fast forward or scroll forward to page 21, which is before that it's all the kind of legal context, citing the statutes and all of that. So page 21 begins the evidence section. And in the evidence section, you will see references to our evidentiary forensic evidentiary exhibits. And those are hyperlinks within the petition. So you can click on any of those evidentiary exhibit hyperlinks, it goes straight to the 57 evidentiary exhibits that are of course, part and partial of the petition. So that's important for people to know. People just need to read the petition itself. But to more specifically answer your question, I'm very excited and actually very personally proud that I was able to succeed at this. The petition features amongst all of the other evidence that architects and engineers, of course, has been making public for many, many years. It also features, in a major way, the critical smoking gun facts. In addition to the smoking gun of World Trade Center 7, there are two other major smoking guns that are added and featured in the petition. And that is that many people don't know, even in the movement, because it hasn't been emphasized before, but it is in the petition feature that there were massive deep basement explosions in both World Trade Centers 1 and 2, in both twin towers, before a plane hit either tower. Now, anybody can figure out, even if they're only three years old, that it is impossible for a plane or any hijackers on a plane, even if they were on the planes, and there isn't good evidence of that even, that the planes and the impacts of the planes and the fires they're from could not have been the cause of massive explosions in the deep basements of both towers before either plane even physically hit the building. And we have in the petition the analysis and seismic evidence from the official seismic records that prove this, that 14 seconds before the plane hit the first World Trade Center tower, the first attack of 9-11, the actual first attack of 9-11 was a massive deep basement explosion in the basement of World Trade Center 2, at least at the World Trade Center 2 level or below, probably the level basement 4 level out of 6 levels, and 17 seconds before the plane even hit the World Trade Center 2, there was a massive deep basement explosion in World Trade Center 2, and back to World Trade Center 1, there was also a massive explosion in the lobby of World Trade Center 1 that killed Bobby McElvane, Bob McElvane's son, as he was about to go into the glass enclosed main lobby of World Trade Center 1 before the plane even hit above. So these are two new critical, well they're not new, they've been true all along, but they are for the first time featured in a major way, in a major document for 9-11 Trues, and now architects and engineers, Richard Gage has done a very fine approximately 15 minute video that he could tell you about, about this that goes into even greater detail that is in the grand jury petition for World Trade Centers 1, 2, and 7. So that was a major contribution that I made in terms of the substance, but of course there was a lot else. So that answers, should answer your question. Thank you, and so my next question can go right to Richard Gage, and that has to do with what Barbara just said, the evidence for that lasted for a long time because of the heat, and that was left in the ground, and that was observed and published and put on one video after another. So those of us following what happened are well aware that there was something almost nuclear that must have occurred in order to maintain the heat in that space for so long. So at some point during your talk, Richard, you can maybe get to how that is related to the symmetrical collapse of the building, and one point that I like to say to people is symmetrical collapse cannot occur from asymmetrical damage, and that's awfully simple, and it's short, and it's easy for people to grasp, and it doesn't always mean anything to them when it comes to real life, but it's certainly a simple concept to grasp, and you're certainly in the thick of that one. So Richard Gage, who is the head of architects and engineers for 911 Truth, and been at the nitty gritty of the chemical reactions, the physical reactions, the people on the ground, the firefighters, the first responders, and Silverstein, the owner of the building, Richard Gage has been part of that effort for a long time. So go ahead, Richard. Thank you, Jamet. It's an honor to be on the show. I'm just so delighted that the Lawyers Committee for 911 Inquiry saw fit to organize several years ago and have been working so hard to put together the evidence that we have been assembling now for 12 years and submit it to the U.S. Attorney and actually get a commitment on the part of the U.S. Attorney to impanel a grand jury. This is the culmination of a dozen years of work of now 3,000 architects and engineers. Jim, if 3,000 architects and engineers told you that wrote you a statement that said that your house was in danger of collapse, would you listen to them? Yeah, I mean, most of us would, right? This is an incredible array of technical credibility here, combining 25,000 years of credibility and technical proficiency. So here, let's just put this in perspective. I mean, 12 years ago, I was a flag-waving Republican, Reagan Republican, right? I just wanted to go and get those bastards who did this to us. And I walk into a driving my van down the road and I'm hearing describe or interview David Ray Griffin on the radio, and he's talking about all these explosions that Barbara and Dave are referring to, but he's talking about 156 witnesses. Well, 118 at the time, now 156 witnesses of explosions before the towers came down. We're told that these explosions, oh, that's just the sound of the tower come down, but no. But at least half of these witnesses, dozens and dozens and dozens of them say, no, the ground is shaking under my feet, like a train running down there, and heard these explosions, and then the tower starts coming down. It's very clear the order in which these things are happening. It's incredible. So I'm just blown away. I'd never heard anything like this. Five years after 9-11, there were no architects and engineers that were organized. So we put this material together with the help of Stephen Jones, David Ray Griffin, Jim Hoffman, many others, fine researchers back in the day who were well underway. You know, even the day after 9-11, many of them were aware. So now we've got then, Stephen Jones came out in 2006, identifying the residue of thermite, then incendiary used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. He identified this early on as spheres, iron microspheres that were found in all the World Trade Center dust, actually by the US Geological Survey. Very clear in all their toxicological studies, they find these previously molten iron microspheres. Well, how did they get previously molten? In other words, how did they get the temperature of 2800 degrees where iron begins to melt? How did they get to be iron in all the dust samples? This is not steel. This is the actual elemental iron. Well, iron is one of the components, iron oxide, one of the components of thermite. So we're talking about aluminum. Also, the other component, this is found in these spheres by the USGS by RJ Lee, but they don't identify the source of it. They're just confused. It's called the greatest mystery, according to the New York Times uncovered. And then FEMA, when they produced their 2002 report on what happened at all three World Trade Center skyscrapers that collapsed that day. In Appendix C, they do a metallurgical examination, citing hot sulfur corrosion attack on the steel, liquid molten iron invading the steel. The ends of the beams partly evaporated, according to the FEMA author Jonathan Barnett, a fire protection engineer. Well, how do you evaporate steel? That's 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. That doesn't happen by office fires or even by jet fuel, which is just a hydrocarbon. It doesn't burn any hotter than desks or chairs, 600 degrees Fahrenheit maximum, according to its manufacturer, ME Petroleum in open air. So where do these extremely hot temperatures come from? Pools of molten iron seen by the first responders, the structural engineers, the iron workers, the firefighters are saying like a volcano flowing like, I forget the exact, it's absolutely extraordinary, these quotes, the structural engineer of the World Trade Center himself, Leslie Robertson, documents a river of steel flowing. Well, this doesn't happen until you get temperatures 2800 degrees. Where does that come from? Thermite issues molten iron at 4000 degrees and above, because there's found also by the USGS molten molybdenum, and this material takes 5000 degrees to even begin to melt. So you see here we have the formation of more than 12, about 12 years ago now of all this forensic evidence, which is damning evidence that could show exactly what happened. But then a couple of years after that, we have even more damning evidence from a team of eight engineers led by eight scientists led by Niels Harrod, Stephen Jones, and others. And they published the results of this in a peer reviewed paper in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. They found red, gray chips, red on one side, gray on the other. Extraordinary, they come up to a, they are attracted by a magnet. And so they determine that through zooming in with an electron microscope that they have nanoparticles of iron oxide and aluminum powder, the ingredients of thermite. But at the nano scale, a thousand times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. So they get really curious here and determine, do some research, find that Los Alamos lab, Lawrence Livermore lab has developed this stuff prior to 9-11 and they termed it super thermite because it's a way to engineer incendiaries to become more explosive. So we have both incendiaries and the evidence of explosives at the World Trade Center. And so the evidence of explosives is key in that after four seconds, when the top of each of the Twin Towers begins to telescope down on itself, four seconds after the beginning of the collapse, there's the complete collapsing of the upper sections of these towers. After that, we have explosions, additional explosions heard by first responders. And then we have laterally ejected freely flying structural steel sections weighing four tons at 80 miles an hour out of the towers, laterally. That takes incredible explosive force, high energy explosives, in this case, landing 600 feet in every direction, such that none of these steel sections are found at the bottom, or very few of them. There's like a two-story pile as all at the very bottom inside the perimeter. And so what's crushing the building? If 95 percent of the structural steel is ejected well outside the footprint. And by the way, the concrete floors to 90,000 tons of concrete in each of these towers is pulverized to a fine powder and distributed throughout lower Manhattan in a three square mile area, about three inches thick. So that's not stacked up like pancakes at the bottom of what we're told is a gravitational collapse. So if if the steel's not at the bottom of the pile and the concrete's not at the bottom of the pile, what's left to crush these buildings? That's most of the weight of these buildings themselves. So these simple to understand intuitive pieces of evidence and eyewitness and video testimony is very revealing of what really happened here at the World Trade Center. And guess what? It's just the beginning of the content in the 57 exhibits that the grand jurors are going to see if they haven't already. Their jaws are going to be dropped when they see all of this incredible evidence. So we're ready to rock and roll. And that's why we're fundraising because the attorneys have to have the wherewithal to submit these amendments to the petitions, the motions to keep the U.S. Attorney honest, and the additional research that has to be done and the credentials of the experts have to be put together and packaged so that they can see that and call them in as experts in this crime of the century that's now in trial, not trial, but investigate grand jury investigation. Yeah, I would like to add just to give a kind of a big picture frame for what Richard has just given us in the evidence. Just maybe one sentence here. And that is that what this means all of the evidence that Richard has just presented that is in the grand jury petition you can read on our website, lc4911.org. And that is that that is all evidence for the pre placement, the pre planting of massive quantities of incendiaries and explosives throughout the World Trade Center towers one, two and seven. The latter not even hit by a plane. The latter having come down by classic control demolition and the World Trade Center towers one and two coming down by non traditional, non classic explosive control demolition. All of this is evidence for the pre planting of explosives in all three buildings, which means at a very minimum, at least weeks before 9 11, they were pre planted if not months, which completely, completely rules out the official story on yet another line of compelling absolute evidence that the official story cannot be true that planes and any hijackers on the planes that the impact of planes and fires there from could have possibly been the real story of what happened to destroy all three high rises. Okay, I have a follow that up National Institute of Standards of Technology, which is basically mandated to do an investigation, their investigation scientifically. They chose the least likely hypothesis that fires brought the buildings down or fires caused by airflame fuel and towers. But this had never happened before ever. Fires have been in high rise steel structured buildings. They don't collapse. They can't because the temperatures needed to melt steel cannot be reached. You need at least another 1000 degrees. These are the soft steel. Yeah, just to clarify that point, a softening steel, which is what fire those fires do, don't even cause the collapse. But as we mentioned earlier, there's evidence of melted steel much higher temperatures. But go ahead, Dave, you're right on. Right. But the is that the forensic evidence would be gathered at the crime scene. And the police would have a protocol police officers are taught the first thing when they get in the academy is to protect the scene and to make sure that you retrieve the proper evidence before you discard it. Now that was not done valuable evidence. Studying that steel that was a carded off chopped up and sent overseas. Thank you. So they want to investigate explosives and sin theories that might be present to cause this incredible catastrophe that we have never seen before. And that wasn't done. So right from the beginning, you had the hypothesis being the least likely that had never happened before never happens since that fires or office fires or office fires caused by jet fuel caused the buildings to collapse in possibility. And the most likely hypothesis that control demolition could accomplish this was never considered. Right. Well, we can thank Mr Giuliani for prohibiting a proper investigation in New York City because that seemed to be under his command. But I have a quick question for actually maybe all three of you. You remember good old Mr Manning of fire engineering and you know whom I'm speaking about, right? Bill Manning is the editor in chief of fire engineering magazine. Yeah, he made his engineer. He made his original statement about the joke of a of an investigation. I don't remember it off the top of my head. I read it many years ago. And I did speak with David Ray Griffin. He was asking me to put some evidence together for one of his books, having to do with the firsthand reports that were written up in several fire magazines. And I went to the firehouse and read them and all that. But can you tell us whether Mr Manning has had any made any contribution to the efforts that you're doing here? Manning is quoted liberally throughout our section on destruction of evidence. He said crucial evidence that could answer key questions is on the slow boat to China showing an astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough scientific investigation. That's the quote. And it's worse than that. Starting two weeks after 9-11, the steel was moved to a and put on a barge and shipped to China for recycling for like 15 cents a pound on barges that were already ready to go. So this is like 150,000 tons of steel. It was a huge project. So this has to be investigated as well. This is the illegal destruction of evidence in a crime scene. But four investigators could get their hands on it and do a proper investigation. We only have, you know, in a few sculptures dotted throughout the world, the World Trade Center Steel, that's all that's left. And yet some of the slag from the ends of these beams has been sent to Stephen Jones. He analyzes it and finds the residue of thermite right there in the sculpture still available. Yeah. And I have some photos that people sent me in my documents too. Now, I remember Giuliani when he was questioned about this. He said, well, it's been, you know, such a horrible event. We want to kind of get it out of here as soon as we can, which is a meaningless statement legally. And I don't know if you're probably not allowed to jeopardize. I don't want to jeopardize your who's who in these grand jury, but this was all public. This Giuliani business was all quite public. Are you capable to talk a little bit about that, about his role in this? And yeah, one of the categories with in reference to the summary of persons and companies and entities who may have material information would include the people involved with the removal of evidence. And basically that would be suggested that the grand jury may want to look into that person, certainly that area and start connecting some dots. Okay, so that would be certainly it's a persons who control the premature destruction of 9-11 evidence. Actually, if you look on our summary, which will be on our website, lcfor911.org, page 23, it's actually the 12th listed item that we include there that there would be persons who control the premature destruction of 9-11 evidence. So you could jump into it in that regard. That's right. There may be more specifics given to the grand jury in a secret document or a confidential document that we would present, but to the public, we would keep it general in that regard. And then that would be say a flag to say, okay, let's do some further research in that area and see who or what companies could be helpful in asking. So we're answering that question is to what's the premature destruction of evidence and then why would why could that be and who authorized it, etc. Okay, and that's David talking now, right? That's right. Okay, we want to match the pictures. I'd like to add something to this discussion about the destruction of evidence that should have been saved from the crime scene at ground zero on 9-11 and after. And that is that all of the steel was not carted away, almost all of it was, but we know that of twisted beams and other pieces of the World Trade Center towers, perhaps also World Trade Center seven, but we know the towers were stored at Hanger 17 JFK Airport for years. And out of that warehouse, basically, those pieces have been distributed literally not only across the United States, but around pieces are two of the 9-11 lie all over the world, including and Richard Gage and I drove by this 2018 when we were in Brussels for a joint speaking tour on 9-11 on the lawyers committee work World Trade Center towers on a pep of the new Brussels, Belgium, if you can imagine, a monument to the 9-11 lie. And these are all over the world. And in addition, in addition, if you could believe it, a large quantity, of course, relatively different to China and elsewhere, it wasn't just China, but it was mostly China that got the steel. But a good quantity of the steel from the World Trade Center towers was melted down and turned into the bow of a new U.S. Navy ship called the USS New York, if you could imagine. It's just sickening, isn't it? And I have some of those photos. I have some photos, if you want me to send them to you of the steel. You probably already got them, but if it would help. In my photo gallery, people have sent me photos of the steel. Please forward that to me, Jim. That would be fantastic. I'll get it to the attorneys too. Jim, there was a statement in the report in reference to FEMA. FEMA came and did an investigation prior to NIST. And one of the things they mentioned that was curious and they couldn't explain was a sulfidation of metal. And Richard probably could address that because that's very important. And they wanted NIST to look at it or put it pointed out. And nobody ever addressed it because it implicates extremely high temperatures. And again, Richard may want to comment on that. He's familiar with that. And also with the liquid metal that was down at ground zero, a quarter of a mile underneath the top of the buildings in the basement area, after the event happens, there's liquid metal down there. Okay. And Richard, go ahead. But I also want to throw in several reports from different sources about the supposed gold bullion that was stored under. I don't know if it's true, but I've heard it from different sources. But go ahead, Richard, and answer David's point. Yes, the first responders, the iron workers, the structural engineers, they all find these molten iron pools flowing like lava, they described it. In fact, the South Tower minutes prior to its collapse, you have molten metal pouring out of the South Tower. We know the temperature of molten metal by its color. This is yellow to white, hot, indicating temperatures exceeding 2500 degrees. Well, that only happens not by jet fuel, not by fires, but by something like thermite incendiaries. And the molten metal, again, has been tested by physicists to find the ingredients of iron, molten iron, and then this pouring molten iron also has aluminum oxide ash rising off the top of it. And these freely flying structural steel sections shot out of the towers at 80 miles an hour, they're trailing thick white smoke clouds. Well, guess what? Steel is not flammable at office fire temperatures. It doesn't burn, you don't light a match to the steel and have it just kind of burn. So why are the ends of these steel beams on fire? Well, this would take an incendiary like thermite, which would be issuing as one of its byproducts, the iron, aluminum oxide ash. This is extremely important. There's a lot of evidence that building seven as well, which we haven't quite covered yet. This building is a 47 story skyscraper part of the World Trade Center complex. And it is about 100 yards from the North Tower. And in the afternoon of 9 11, about seven hours after the towers collapse, this building, after witnesses hear explosions, which we cite those those those witnesses, the building drops like a rock straight down uniformly, symmetrically into its own footprint in the exact manner of a classic control demolition. It falls at freefall as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky. Symmetrically, well, that can only happen if you remove all 80 columns at once. If you're off by even a second, right, and those explosions that remove columns, the building will begin to fall over. It'll hang alone. Yeah. Now those and I there was an eyewitness to the countdown and I interviewed him and I have no record of it. I'm sorry. Have you heard about that? Oh, sure. This is Kevin McPad and former Air Force medic. He's moved to about six blocks away from the building. And as they because they're told the building's going to come down because it has structural damage, because it had a few small scattered fires, they called them large. And and so this building, Kevin is listening to the radio held in the hands of a Red Cross worker. And he's he he hears three to the guy said, and he says the building just came down expecting I guess a controlled demolition. So yeah, that's that's incredible eyewitness testimony. And there are others as well. By the way, I want to jump in here and point out that I think we have about five minutes left in the hour. Yes, that's right. Six. So let's if you if you if any of you has anything that you want to round up with and as to the importance and don't hesitate to tell us again of the importance of what you are doing in terms of a petitions to the grand jury and the likelihood of well what's the next step? Maybe David should tell us we should all have a closing statement. Why don't we begin with Dave. Okay, yes. This is a as a nation at a crossroads. If we do not address the worst crime ever perpetrated against our country, that which killed at least 3000 people and influence the entire world. And in other parts of the world killed a million people because of these spin on 9 11. Then as the United States of America, we actually in that sense cease to exist as a free and democratic society. We have shrugged our responsibilities to be educated and to be vigilant. This the scene here in New York City is one of the aspects of 9 11, a very complicated and well thought out plan or crime areas to, for example, the Pentagon Washington DC, and what happened in Pennsylvania, where in flight 93 night of flight 93 allegedly crashed. So it's we we address what the where the evidence is right now. And this is like sort of the tip of the spear in the sense of opening up this process. As we've said, we have been now legitimized because we've been invited into the castle. But in to make this presentation that or the well to give the information to the US Attorney to make that presentation to the grand jury unprecedented. But it is only the beginning. And people our listeners have to realize that they've been hoodwinked. And they've been lied to in the in the worst possible way. And to let's roll back the situation. Let's protect our Constitution. And let's go back now to the beginning of when this happened. And let's start to put the pieces together. Connect the dots. This is a giant conspiracy. And again, it seems to be probably well financed, and well thought out. And it's changed the whole aspect of our operation in the world, our whole self conception of ourselves. And so it's it's really underlining. It's really important to look at it again. And you can do and you can start it by going on LC for getting familiar with this material. And then talk to your friends about it. And we'll all figure out as Americans how to proceed. But it's one step at a time. And this is a big first step legally, where we are now given credibility. And let's, you know, say some prayers and let it roll. Okay, Barbara Honeger, go ahead. So much again for having us on the show, Jim. Your show and shows like it around the country in the world are what makes a difference. Um, and as you know, nothing really happens in Washington, DC, or in official done in the United States or probably anywhere, unless you have what's called a pincer, I call it a pincer effect. And that is you have to come from the top down as well as the bottom up. So the grassroots knowledge and understanding of the facts and the truth that we were lied to in a Hitlerian big lie about who it's kept our country on 9 11 is critical from the grassroots up as well as the now that we are inside the castle and that the U. S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York is convening a special criminal grand jury for the evidence of the World Trade Center on 9 11. You have to go from the top down in the bottom up. And the bottom line of what we're telling everybody here is that the real perpetrators of the attacks of 9 11 at the World Trade Center and elsewhere, by the way, are not the ones that the government told us the real perpetrators are still at large. They are extremely dangerous and they can attack again if we do not succeed. So please help us donate to the lawyer's committee for 9 11 inquiry. You can do that by going to our website lc for 9 11.org or to the architects and engineers website, which is a 9 11 truth.org. If you go to A and E, please note that your donation is for the lawyer's committee grand jury project. Thank you so much again, Jim. Thank you, Richard. You've got a minute. Richard Gage. Right. Defense Authorization Act subsequently eroded our civil liberties to where today any of us can be arrested merely for being associated with terrorism, which isn't even defined. We can be assassinated even tortured. So all of all of this goes back to 9 11. We've engaged in a $4.5 trillion global war children's grandchildren will still be paying for old history. Now, you know, 18 years ago, society has changed our geopolitical history. We've achieved or they're trying to achieve dominance in the middle valence, et cetera, here at home. So grand agenda of these perpetrators. And so everybody's got to do something. Act on your conscience. Get informed with this material. Hand out the DVDs, the website information to everybody you know, especially every architect and engineer, that lawyer that you can find. It's imperative. We've got to act now. Thank you all for listening to the House at Pooh Corner with David Maslinko and Barbara Honegger and Richard Gage. And maybe we'll do this again.