 This C.I., five days, the government is saying, oh, this woman fought the six days. Okay, I'm talking a few days ago, was in Iambilman, Locos. The government, with two, 14, 17 billion. The same time 17 billion, this woman is talking about is the 17 billion. The government is through from the central bank here, from the enemy treasury, to pay this non-couple mention, this organization. So, the government must be serious. It's untame for the government to be serious. We are not even attacking the government. We give them time, but let's give them time to tell us the truth. Let's not give them time to lie to us. All right. Yeah, we're tired of lying. Okay, and I just want to disclaimer that this is not the opinion of the station, right? So, this is a fact of the opinion. And what do you have to say about speaking about the oil deal that was there, and even what the opposition leader is accusing the government of, that it acquired the, you know, the opposition is against the G2G oil deal that the government acquired saying that they used, you know, not so clear means. And then the president came out and told the opposition leader to provide evidence, you know, see things that it's not, they didn't acquire it in that appropriate manner, you know, based again on what you said, the 17 billion scandal that's already happening. In our country Kenya, we like about Roma. That's our native Kenya. And every Kenya, every morning, especially this people from maybe social media, every day they are waking up, getting information from, I don't know where, at which time, at which source. At that time, I saw maybe our good senator of Nairobi saying that the government, what they say, they will destroy the website, whatever. When the speaker told him to tell about the evidence, he never, he never said what he said. So whatever I'm thinking about my brother saying about the 17 billion, wait. We don't, nobody knows the truth. Because the government is talking, the opposition is talking, the mother is talking. So for me, nobody knows the truth. The only truth, whoever knows the truth is I'm. Not either the government, not either the opposition leader, or Omutata, as we saw Omutata just standing over there in a cell called in the middle of mind or whatever, he said, I don't think it's no time for us to follow such cases. It is now our high time to focus on the development of our country. As a position, we give the government time to do, less opposition, we want opposition to go and criticize about the government. But not opposition that, at one point, we saw them in Stethau, and one time, we saw them in maybe Obama sitting with the president talking their own issue. So whenever you lack a break, you are too much. You're starting jumping and talking about it. And what my brother says about the president making promises and lies, I can just say, you can go and dig a shamba. You want to plant a maze. You have very good hope that the soil lies in a very good fertile soil. But unfortunately, you found that the soil is not fertile. So I have to introduce a fertilizer to the soil so that I can dig. So even the president, when he's making the promises and campaign time, he never knew that whatever he will inherit will take him time to deliver what he promised. So he's in the process to deliver so that I can promise. But you see what he's saying there. He's saying that the president didn't know what he was inheriting. But the president was in this country, he was the deputy. He knew when he was the deputy, he knew the price of hunger. He knew the price of fuel. So you cannot tell us the president was from somewhere. He just landed in Kenya and realized the fuel is high, the hunger is high, so he's confused, he's trying to... You know what? He saw the situation. I want to tell him that we don't have any problem with the president. But even the president himself, as he said in Mombasa that his promise, I didn't knew these promises will take time. So let's see, I didn't knew. Yesterday the president was in Bomet. The president told people to Bomet relax. I'm planning everything is about to, so which means the president, I think he was so perjoyed. Do you think he had a promise? He offered a promise, he offered a promise. Because anyway, he had promises. You know, this country is great. We have more than 47 counties. And every county has his own promises. So when you, can you assume, you gave every county 10 promises. So that's a 40 or 70 promises and you want to fulfill in one year. So it's very hard. So the president, the president is right. We support him, let him work, but let him at least reduce those promises. If you promise nothing, we just deal with healthy. The health deal with health. Just let focus is important issue. Let's not offer promise things. We know that you cannot finish it. And right now, I know the president is promising at least for 20, 27, because he wants to run for the second time. So to finish it, then we need to turn. So he's now doing all you, that's why you are taking this loud voices everywhere. You know, right now, if you want to defend the government, it's very hard for you to defend the government. Because the only way you can defend the government is to attack Kuroganet. Simple. If you want to defend the government, you attack Kuro. So that you can keep, because you have nothing to defend the government. Everybody's confused. Even the government of now, anybody, even if you get a motion, you ask him, what's not happening with the country, you'll tell me only one thing. You know, the last thing you see, maybe this message. Yeah. And I think, Kenyans honestly have had, it will be inherited at the accredited economy so many times that I try them, they want to say results. And you know, and one of the things that the view is presenting for the talk that they are having is that the economy should go down. The increasing economy should go down. And they also have a demand on the removal of housing levy with the government. And you know, everyone in the government is saying that is unacceptable. But then you think that this is something that the government, you think this is something that the government can try and adjust for the people in order for them to come to an agreement with their bilateral talks at least. To me as a leader, we're a common manage. I think the president is now to hear the voices of the common Kenyan citizens to reduce maybe the tax of housing, to reduce as a maybe... Taxes. Taxes. So that in housing plan, I agree with the president because when we want to finish land, especially in our cities, we should introduce housing plan so that every Kenyan can sit in a very good house. And also that housing plan will help us to reduce maybe fire, maybe destruction of other resources. It also help us to do away with these very dirty places in our lands. So the only thing we can request the president and his team is there to reduce the tax for everything that he's doing. So that even the cost of the living will come down. Yeah. So for you as a very complete removal of the housing living? I cannot say completely, let at least to be reduced. We cannot say let it be removed completely because we want those houses for those people. And I think because it is not a tax a citizen that is not employed. If us who are employed are being taxed for every Kenyan to get at least a good place to sleep. So we are talking about the hustler being taxed because it's everyone being taxed as long as you are employed. So we think about the same hustler who's being taxed for that among many other factors. And they're not sure, you know, a hundred percent sure when they will have to settle on. What also funny? And we talk facts. What is very funny? And I can agree with you hundred percent. I am not also sure if we can get the house. But I'm very sure of what I'm hundred percent. Maybe even if it is not me, another person somewhere can get a very good house. Maybe, but I guess if the president will give us assurance that those houses will go for the poor people, not these rich people. Because when you go to Sibra at around 1947, you get a very good construction that is going on very well. In Sibra, that's something that has never been there. So what I'm not sure, and I cannot lie on Kenyan. Whether you get the house. Whether I get or not. But I request the president, whatever he is, let these houses go to these poor people, not these people in power, so that we can avoid the catchers going back. What could they use of money on them? So what I'm very sure it is for us to give the common man 90, the poor person in his neighborhood, the house. Okay, so back in the 20s. You know, even this opposition is part of this problem. We have a lot of problems in this country and opposition is one key problem also to us as the common man. Because they are not even straightforward. Like they are not people who are straightforward in their agenda. If my agenda is to fight for you, you just fight for me. Just to die for me. You know, today the opposition wants the government to remove this house. House, I don't even know which house, what? House living. House living. You know, this government of KK, what he has tried in this house, they have done very well. And I support every county, at least to Kuna Manuma. If you look at common man in this house, when you see these houses like the railway houses, Kuna Matua Nation Danny, the pipeline houses, they are railway, many friends to the people. But in a cheap way. So if this one also the government, I saw last time the president was in Mombasa lending those houses openly. I think it's good one for the people of Kuna. So the opposition should leave the house one. Let them remove this office of the opposition. If they are serious, they want to put common man in this. You cannot tell me now, you want in this, but let's talk to remove the houses. The linear of houses. And then you leave the office of the opposition. That's lying to Kuna. Let's leave this position. Let's leave this political position. Let's focus on the people. Let's focus on the economy and let's focus the life of the people. Fight the government because of their taxes. Not fight for your own position when you are forgetting this one. Okay. But initially the government is the one which proposed to have the office of the opposition. It's not actually the opposition that brought it forth. And we have seen it's written about the opposition fighting for the 190. We have seen the demonstrations and they called it off when they agreed to have the bilateral talks. And part of the bilateral talks is now them asking that they need to cut the housing levy off and also reduce on the taxation, reduce the economy. So don't you think that that's them fighting for the people? Do you think that's them keeping the government in check? No, you know, there is, we have different ways to keep the government in check. And the demonstration is not part of keeping the government in check. Yeah. There is a lot of ways. Like that bilateral talks, but they are not sincere. You know, the problem is that they are not sincere in this bilateral talks. They are calling people to bring on your immorality. I'm left here with the opinion. But now they are not even considering the opinions of the people. They're having their own opinions. When you find them like everybody's trying to pull on each side, at least for something. So they have to be genuine in this thing. They have to be real also. Because everybody's fighting for, KKOVS will fight for them, for themselves. The opposition also will fight for themselves. Then now it's easy to not pack it at your head. And let me tell you one thing. Don't ever believe our politicians. Don't ever believe our politicians. Our politicians will tell you today I am with you. You found out, really is criticizing the government. Very well. But at night you can tell me my state house. If he was in state house, that was right now. How many times was he in state house in Yat-Won? So don't believe in a politician. A politician is like a family. Today it's yellow, tomorrow it's white. Another day it's green, it's red. So never believe in him. Okay, so you're saying Russia believes in any policy. Don't. That includes the opposition leader. Every body, every dog. So who are we supposed to believe then when we elect? We elect. We believe in God. Now when we elect this leader, put in a partition, oh God, so just help us at least at least at the jary, be a kidogo mahali. Let me tell you, in this country, everybody, everybody in this country is not good. Let me tell you, let me, in 40, I can say everybody is corrupt, in 20, you don't get that chance to be corrupt. Imagine you're giving an MP, 130 million, a CDF, you know, 130 million CDF, to even sell, of course, and find out his committee to run for that CDF. Do you want to tell me it will be given in 130 million, we'll reach that people? And you find out they have been given out, given out this 100 even, let's say 100 million for the last 10 years, but you find some places, counties and constituencies. They're still having these schools which may be mad in a pathetic condition. Yeah, so don't believe in a politician. A politician, let me tell you today, if today a politician meets a salary, they will demonstrate, you see your MP demonstrating this for his salary, but no day will he fight for you to get salary. You have never even had them talking about the last of salary, the teachers. They are fighting for their own, so don't believe in them. You just elect them, then we leave them to vote. Okay, I think that's very dangerous. So you have a position to be, just elect them and leave them to God, because this is our last of speak. We are the employers of this politicians. Then how do we elect leaders and not politicians? Let me ask you that. Leaders in this country are very few. Politicians are everywhere. How do we get now elect leaders? How do we, you know, separate them? Between a politician and a leader. A leader is a person with a very tradition and a very, a very good straight forward. But, rather than a politician, in person talks, in public, you can just realize very easily is a politician with a leader. Because most of the time, leaders are those people who talk less and do great. Like our late Mwaki Maki, like our late performance years for education. Even for my training sometimes, people hate him. But leaders are those people who perform. Not looking much in public, not going around everywhere shouting, not speaking to everybody. But a leader, if someone stop less, perform more. Not promises, you just sit in and perform. Okay, I love that you've mentioned, you know, your education field. One of our late presidents, Mwaki Maki, then which leaders would you point out? Would you, you know, pick in this kind of regime, whether in opposition, whether in government? Who are the leaders that we have according to? Personally, I can pick in this regime. I can appoint my status as Comprola, which is the one that's been with us for 20 years. I can appoint the MP for Constituents. I can as well appoint a governor from Nauru due to the composition too, collecting 2.5. I can as well appoint Nathin there. He did, and he's doing. I can also pitch. My candidate is not that bad, he's performing. Yeah. So for me, and also Machoko, I have never saw his soul, so maybe... So you're saying we are not so bad, we have leaders? Yeah, we have some leaders in our KK government that is going to be from there, leaders. Okay, what about you? What's our role? You see the problem, part of the leaders is mentioned, they are the richest from the people. Like Machoko, we fight for KK government and he failed, but now he's serious, learning. So leadership, we see leadership from what you're doing, through it, through it. Like we have good leaders, we have like the new results, good leaders. And so for these people, we have Kimonoin, member of parliament. We have Kina Senator Ledama and Siriot, they are leaders, you know. You know, what's affecting these leaders is the political. You know, you have, you know, politicians as two hearts. You have to please this master, the party leader. If part, if it's UDA, ODM, K, for Kina, you have to please that one. Number two, you have to please also the people. You know? Yeah. So you have to, you are working for me today, you're working for your party, at the same time you're working for the people. So we have good leaders in this country. Really too, we want to tell them don't forget what you went there for. If you are safe interior, do what you are trying to do. Yes, Rod, let's do for our people. Let us, you know, what's holding this country's money? Today, if you give me today 10 million, I'll run high for MPC as my constituents and I will win. But it's not that people like me. I've used money to win it. Most of our leaders want cost of money. But we left out those young men and women which know money, but they are good leaders. So we want to tell the people, we, with the people who are like these people, our suffering power belongs to us. And it's not good, I feed you with hand-wrestling today. And then I'll face you for five years. It's not that good. So we want our people at least to learn, let's put up for our leader. Let's not put up for our politician, let's put up for our leader. And the leaders are there at home. You know, most of our leaders, you find out somebody retired from judiciary, but once retired officially in service as a judicial officer, but went from five to a Senate seat or MP, just to come and relax in Benjamin, because he wants to be in town. They want to be in power. Yeah, they want to be in power, power is sweet. Power is sweet. So we want our people at least less elected and most probably less, less young leaders. You see what MP of Mumiya is doing, is this young boy, young man, Salashia. Salashia is doing what is fighting for Mumiya Shuka, but now they can tell, trying to quit it. But he's right, that man is a real asset. Salashia is a real asset. He knows the pain of the people. That's why he's saying, why are you doing this? Let's open Mumiya for our people, but because we have a lot of cocktails. You know, what are you talking? They are saying this because you are trying to touch a Kulawatu akubo. So you want leaders like Salashia and we as the people there we support. If we find out somebody is fighting for us, let's support that person to fight for us, for our own good. Okay, and there's something that you've mentioned before we wrap up on this conversation. You know, where should your allegiance be as an elected leader, by being this contact, because you are the elected, as an elected leader, where should your allegiance be? Because you're turned between now your political party and the people. The people want this, but the political party is telling you to do this. You know, and we've had people, most people from opposition saying that in parliament, at least, saying that MPs from the government just want to find out what they've been told, what the government, you know, passes. And there's just two, to give a content to it, not to really speak for the people. So where, how do you really draw the line between your allegiance for the people that are elected you and also your party? I think that... The people voted for me, not that maybe the president. So whatever thing I would perform as my function, I would perform as the will of people. As I would, I would go to Europe's forum, listening to them, what they want at that time. I want to do the correct thing at the correct time. So I will not follow what the president need me for me to do. The issue with the president, I want to deliver because of my inspiration of maybe five years' come or ten years' come. So the president will be living as the president. Everybody has his own office. So the president has to serve as the president. I serve as the youth representative. I perform what the youth need for me to do. If I have to fight for the rights of the youth, either in government or not, what we want to take in all counties assembly, you have to be given a chance of self, either in the military, because we need young youth with degrees of order, jumping all of us, going to build, maybe doing a very hard work for P5 and H&M, meeting other CSS, we'll have even no papers. Because of money, they are just pumping in in the government, not having any function for me. So for me, I will not listen what another leader will tell me. I will listen to the voice of the young youth who are there because I have an inspiration. And for me to fulfill the dream I have, I will only achieve through the Kenyans and also through the youth. I will not be a leader if those youth are not there. I will not be where I am if there is no other person who supported me. And if one youth can support me and believe in my leadership, I have to follow the Yawin. Because there are many. The president will not make me the president because Uhuru Moebo Kenyaru has not managed to make Raela the president. Who will make me to be the next president of this family of Kenyans? Is those Kenyans that we are forgetting the Yawin? So my point is to listen to the Yawin. Listening to your plan, doing what they need at the time. If I will go to Yampakasi, I will listen to the youth of Yampakasi, if I will go to Saudi B, I will listen to the youth of Saudi, if I will go to Iceland, I will go and listen to the youth of Iceland. I will not make a promise of Saudi to be of Kiglai 44. I will not make the will of people maybe Lantimare, the people of Saudi B. So for me to perform better in the docket that I'm holding and the docket that I will hold in this government in years come, or to serve under any capacity in leadership, I will listen to the voice of people at the right time. So yeah, you know you should be with the people who actually elected you. Before that, you are sorry. My first one of my men that is our late Makuhu Liponde, going to streets, listening to people, listening to the problem of people, giving them nights. You listen, you do exactly what you can do. Instantly, promise what you can promise and do by time as you said, but not making a common promise to all Kenyans. For example, in Kadyada, they have a different problem with Nairobi. Mombasa has a different problem with Eldorit. So whenever you go any place, you will go. You perform under capacity and the need of those people. All right, all right, good. Finally, let me ask you this. The deputy president said that the succession politics should stop and that you know, leaders should deliver on their promises. Do you think this is something in two minutes, one minute rather? Do you think this is something that is practical? Do you think that MPs, leaders, or whatever doctors will actually stop on the succession policy? In this country, we are being led by politics. If we are in a political country, once I say we are being led by politics. So it should not stop. Everybody is focusing. Right now, everybody is focusing for 2027. In 40 years, some people even, they are hired to 2032. When you see the deputy president, you see. But what I can say, let the ones who want to do politics, let them to do politics, it will not affect what we are doing. But they have to stop. Let's focus now on this succession. Let's stop going to the people and live with them all. My community will rule us that this and this. God knows who knows that will be a nice to that date. So let's keep the, it will reach the right time. Number two, the legends, let's be a legend to the people. Let's hear what the people are saying. Unless our people also respect their leaders and let's support these leaders. Whichever, if it's independent, whichever the city is. I think that can be. In that case, I can tell you of one member of parliament. He's a legend, he's with the patch. The UDA, I can't say with the, most of his time he's outside, flying out. But anytime we find out that there is a UDA meeting, it will be the first person to let a picture with that icon of UDA, the will battle. And using those people, the computer and the power phone one, to tell us, oh, our super empty is super because I'm a computer fitter with that poster. So what I want to tell my people is that, my parents will always be the best. Let's focus on them. Let's focus on what the U.S. is supposed to be. And if you feel my parents will not take you to their best, then I'll be the best, then wait for that my parents. All right, what a great presentation. Thank you. I'll have to stop right there. And yeah, thank you for joining. That has been Tony Kimutai, a political expert. And we've had Koisinget, Michelle, who's the youth representative for Nairobi County. And I believe he'll be running in the next election. Right? Yeah. Okay. That's all we've put into account. On December 26th, we'll take a short break and then drive back off. We'll be back with N.C.M. I hope you've answered the question on our social media platform. The hasten is one in the morning. Ask Y25 for a shout out. Go there and talk to us. I'll see you in a minute. Bye. Bye. Bye.