 We went to a sale yard before a live auction. They're selling live animals there. I'm saying that it's the slave trade. How are you bud? Cool. What's your name mate? Modern day slavery. Modern day slavery? Yeah, yeah. Because you're putting animals in transport and selling them all over Europe. Yeah. So the crap. I don't mind them selling and buying them. Okay. Providing them, treating them respectfully. So they should ride them there and take them home and walk them here and there with respect. Do you think you can treat animal as a product and also treat them with respect at the same time? No. Okay. No, they're not a product. Yeah. They're a species. Yeah. It's like me. They're considered property. I know they are. Yeah. But then human beings are considered property as well. Really? Yeah, of course. So slavery still exists in the human context? I just got to Canary City Council to sign a modern day slavery charter. Do you feel like we're in the UK, we're slaves as well? Absolutely. Yeah. On the same level as cows, pigs, lambs? No, no, that's even worse. Okay. Yeah. We treat them with disrespect and no respect to them. So we have laws protecting our rights and liberty and our life? I'm not quite sure. We have laws protecting our rights, but animals need more. Do we have laws protecting us from murder and slavery? Supposedly, but not. We don't? I don't think so. So if someone were to kill you right now, they'd go to prison? No. I get that. Yeah. Okay, I know where you're going with that. Let's say if someone enslaved you and then... I agree with that. Yeah. So we've got laws protecting our liberty, yeah? And animals have. And we should make the laws for it. Yeah. So how do you think we're going to do that if the public is demanding these animals go to slaughterhouses and be enslaved? Oh, it needs to change the way people think. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not saying everyone should be like me a vegetarian, but I would say that more people should consider how they eat. Oh, so you don't eat animals yourself? I don't know. Okay, interesting. Because when we're at the... I was just at the live auction inside, and they had a lot of calves there, a lot of bobby calves from the dairy industry. I don't agree with that. Yeah. So dairy cows, they all get slaughtered and sold off. They have a very prolonged and awful life. Yeah. Because they just keep on milking, milking, breeding calves, then the calves are taken away from you. And it's a contraintuation just for human reason. Yeah. So it's all vast amounts of cheese, milk and milk. So would you consider the dairy industry the slave trade as well? Hey, it's all part of it. So it's exploitation, yeah? Absolutely. Yeah. I appreciate your perspective on that. Not many people see it that way. That's fine. Okay. Thanks, brother. Pinky. I've got a pinky punch. Maybe he'll have a chat. You want to have a chat, mate? Do you want to have a chat? Have a chat. That's okay. Don't be afraid, though. It's just an opinion. Yeah. It's just an opinion, mate. What do you think about the statement on the front? I'm asking people to prove me wrong. Do you know what a live auction is? Look, I'm 53 years old. I hope I do. Do you know? Yeah, well, it's where they sell off live animals to be slaughtered. Oh, right. I was about to ask you that's my next question. What kind of live auction is she talking about? Yeah. Sheep and lambs, pigs, chickens. Yeah. It's a vegetarian issue. So, you know, obviously, you know, if you've got what? You've got a whole lot. You've got coached in ways of where the animals are dealt with. Not the best. You know, I do think that if an animal is going to be put down, it should be probably what? Most humane. So, if they're suffering or in pain, it would be a moral to take their life from them. So, euthanasia of when it's in their best interest. You can have people arguing this way and that way about this issue. And of course, people have been arguing about this thing. Well, let's talk about the actual statement on the sign. Do you agree or disagree that live auctioning of animals is the slave trade? It doesn't say animals for starters. It should say to make it more clear. So, when I saw live auctions of a slave trade prove me wrong, I would have said, no, live auctions are for like objects, like plates, dishes, that type of thing. So, in that case, no, that's not wrong at all. I had this set up at the front of a live auction for stock, for animals. Yeah. We moved it here because there wasn't as many people to talk to. They didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. So, in the animal context, do you think using animals as property and selling them off is the slave trade? Well, it depends how you define slave. If you say slave. In the definition of the word? Well, in the definition of the word is, my understanding is someone who works for someone and is made to do it. You know, going back to the ancient times, Egyptians, that type of thing, and mainly humans instead of animals. Okay. You don't think animals can't be victims of slavery? Good question. I think, you know, you've got RSPCA, the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. So, if an animal is overworked, not fed, this type of thing, not given time to rest, that's cruelty to animals. I was about to say inhumane, but inhumane means what? Dealing with humans, right? Yeah, I'm just talking about slavery. Yeah. Like treating someone as a product, as property, without liberty, without rights to life. Yeah. I know, like, if you treat your slave nicely, that's still slavery. True. You could twist it whichever way you want. You could turn it, you know, you could argue it this way, that way. You could go into little alleys about it this way. I'm just not talking about high welfare. Yeah. I'm talking about whether someone has the right to their own bodily integrity, their own liberty, the right to their own life, not to be exploited and killed. Well, humans definitely do, by, you know, by the human rights. But applying it to animals, like, sort of a new, would be sort of a new thing. Yeah. I think we can apply it to animals for the same reasons we apply it to humans. Sentience, they want to live, they want to, they desire freedom to be with their families. Yeah. In certain cases, definitely, I think, you know, like dolphins, because they reckon that they're more intelligent than humans. Of course, it's the cruelty to dolphins. They get caught up in the tuna nets, but it's been going on for years, 20, 30 years. So, yeah, you can argue it one way or the other. It's sort of a grey, controversial area. You think it's a grey area that we like, whether or not cows are slaves? Because let's just have a look at the dairy industry. Yeah, but I don't, yeah, yeah, because they're locked up and on the machines and farmers having, they're free to roam, but then they're brought in and then the machines are put on them to milk cows, which, I mean, I did when I was a kid. That was 47 years ago, 46, I'd go on farms and put milk machines on them, you know, as a kid. They don't, like, cows will be then sent off to slaughter when it's profitable for the farmer, yeah? But it seems to be what's done. I'm feeling I'm being lured into something where I'm just going to fall down. You don't have to lure into it. It's just, is it objectively true or not? Are animals capable? Can animals be enslaved as well as humans? I would say, yeah, yeah. But you know, and that's the bit earlier I said about cruelty to animals. Different animals say it's overworked. I mean, because like you said, oh yeah, are cows slaves? I thought, well, cows don't really pull things. I mean, old oxen used to, or oxen used to do the wildflower fields, that type of thing. Cows don't really do that. But they're on the machines for a certain amount of time. If the amount of time is deemed cruel or inhumane as applied to animals. I'm just talking mainly about the property status of animals. They have no bodily autonomy. They don't have any freedom of life that their life is dictated by their owner. Yeah, yeah. So whether they're working constantly or not. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Listen, tap, and put us through that statement wrong. It should say animals, live animal auctions. Yeah, I know what you mean. I appreciate your conversation. You're a very honest person. Thank you. Yeah, you didn't try to lie about anything or try to justify anything. You're just looking at it objectively so it's good. I could come here and I could just play it simple than that and I could go, no. You know what I mean? And I would say why? Not talking. Okay. I appreciate the chat, mate. Thank you. Brianna, my cousin's name's Brianna. I'm vegan. You're a vegan. Okay. Well, what do you think of this sign here? I agree. Yeah. With you completely. Yeah. We're just out the front of a live auction. They were selling off carps and... Where was it? I didn't know that was from there. Just Ashford cattle. Oh, just the one down there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ashford cattle market, I think it is. Yeah, I think so. So do you think this is an objectively true statement? Yeah. Yeah. It's a slave trade selling animals to... Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And we had some of the public walking past saying the same thing. And I don't think that we're vegan. It just... Yeah, I think it's hard to disagree with. Yeah. I mean, it just is that. Yeah. So it's... I don't have to persuade you in any way. And you're not trying to prove me wrong, so we've already agreed. But what about your friends? Are they vegans? She's vegetarian. Okay. I think she wants to go vegan. Yeah. It's hard for her at the moment because we're both living at home and her parents both eat meat and everything. Yeah, so yeah, it can be a little bit more difficult. Does she... What does she think about the dairy industry? Would she think that's slavery? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's with me. Yeah, she agrees completely. Her circumstances and allowing her to make her own sort of choices at the moment, though. Yeah, but we're going to uni next year, so she's going to go vegan then. Woo! Party! Yeah, exactly. Do what you want. Thanks for the conversation, Rihanna. It was lovely meeting you. Thank you so much. Hi. Oh, hello. How are you? Nice to meet you too. So, Rihanna's your friend and you just live together in the same... Um, no, so we're just job hunting at the moment. Okay. We're taking a gap year, so... So, what do you think about this statement? Do you think it's objectively true? Yeah. Yeah. It's not great what they're doing and, you know, because animals have feelings and they shouldn't be treated with, like, kind of the disrespect that people, like, treat them with in a way. I just think that, I don't know, there should be more respect and things like that. Do you think you can treat someone as property and also treat them with respect? No. No. If an animal is considered someone else's property... There's no way to treat them with respect in that sense. And then, yeah, so we should be treating them how they're meant to be treated and letting them be free and... Maybe being their guardians instead of treating them like a resource for us. Yeah, exactly, because we shouldn't have control over them and stuff like that. We should be treating them the way that we should, like, should for the whole... Like, if we had a positive intention for them, not just to make money from them, that would be different. We'd be looking after them. Yeah, and I think that's the reason why people treat them badly, is because there's a market for it. It shouldn't be that way. I don't think it's right. So it's the way we view animals, that's the problem. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. They're very set in their ways as well. Yeah. But there needs to be change, really. Yeah. Do you think the dairy industry is also slavery? Yeah, I think it's bad. And being a vegetarian, it sounds weird that I'm saying that, but I try my best to be as vegan as possible, especially with Rihanna being one of my best friends, you know. Kind of, I do as much as I can, but I'm hoping to go vegan when I go to uni. Yeah. I don't know, yeah. What would hold you back in your current circumstance from going vegan? Mostly my family. Yeah. Yeah. So they wouldn't purchase items in the... Yeah, basically that's about it. I wouldn't be able to get the stuff that I needed, but I try as much, I mean I don't drink milk. Yeah. And I try and eat as much vegan stuff when I go out as possible. Yeah. So in the circumstances I'm in, I'm trying. So whatever's in your control, you're trying to eat as vegan as possible? Yeah. Interesting, but it seems like you agree with the philosophy of non-exploitation of animals. Definitely, definitely. Like I agree with all of it. There's nothing I don't see as correct. I think it's all, it makes a lot of sense. Well it's beautiful talking to you Claire, and I've got these little cards here, and they're just, it's a little free vegan challenge if you wanted to do it on Facebook. Thank you. So really nice meeting you. Nice meeting you. Bye. Bye bye. Bye bye. Very sweet girls. So a live auction to me sounds pretty self-explanatory, like it wouldn't be a live auction, it would just be an option if it was just objects. Yeah. Not if you agree with the statement. You agree? What type of animal are you? A bear. It's a mute bear. Bears generally can't speak, they don't. They can make sounds. They can make sounds. How's your day today? Good? That's good. And have you had success trying to persuade people to eat at the diner? Oh, let me see the menu. I don't know. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Are these made of real animals? She agrees with us. She's already agreed with us. Are these made with real animals? Or are these? Oh, no. Oh, no, no, I don't eat real animals. Animals are my friends. Yeah, animals are my friends, not food. Yeah, you don't like eating animals either? Okay. You don't like slaughterhouses? Yeah, me neither. You don't like when we just come from a sale yard where they were auctioning off scared animals, calves and bobby calves, sheep lambs. Yeah, that was terrified. And they're going to be put in a burger. So hopefully they put on an option that's made of plants, a plant-based option, vegan option. That'll be good. Anyway, it's nice talking to you. We'll have someone else that can speak human.