 Guston and others when I began reading church history and going back to the church fathers everything began to change. I saw that so many of the things I've been told about Catholic faith that it was something he came after Constantine or that kind of thing that wasn't the case and he began to show me all kinds of things that deep into the faith already had but also began to say knock on my door store my soul there's a whole new realm out here you need to start looking at Catholic teaching so in so many ways I guess him was instrumental to my conversion to become Catholic then back in wow it'll be 30 years. Well in a sense that's not unique is it it's happened so many times his influence on people was immediate and persistent and it's still happening today.