 Yeah, so basically the soundtracks would be what I feel would be the killer app for Transponding obviously something wanted for automated operation or semi-automated operation But the real application we think is very useful particularly for HONN scale is you probably realize how hard it is to get a good low-frequency response out of the sounding over Okay, it just isn't physically possible to transduce the sizes and the resonating cavity sizes You have those two scales to get a truly low-frequency sound now if esteem is not a big deal Because steve steve is a very high frequency. It's a envelope plosive sound So it's not it's actually a fairly high frequency So even a system with very poor low frequency response will give you a fairly good chops Now when you try to diesel all bets wrong because the diesel crank rate is quite low and It's almost impossible to get a really good Low-frequency sound out of the sound code no matter who's it is, okay It's just purely the physics of the matter and if you look at the if you've been next to it like a Dash 9 or a SD 60 if you've been next to a real one cranking up You're like wow your diaphragm is vibrating and you're not going to get that out of a little H.O. An in-scale sound to code no matter what you do Okay, you just can't get the physics to cover that much energy to the air So we feel that the surround tracks is the right answer particularly in scale and for some people then H.O. If you want the subwoofer You know low-frequency noise. It's very similar to what you get out of a prototype So we think that for some people it's going to be a very good solution for getting a realistic sound in the layout now of course what happens is you have a number of transponder zones and the surround tracks knows the geometry between the transponder zones and where the speakers are Across multiple locomotives at the same time So we feel that that's the correct answer for good sound particularly for diesels For the future. Okay, so if you really demanding something that you can't get enough volume out a little speaker That's really the right answer. I mean waiting for this for a decade So that was kind of one of the reasons we Did some of the transponder stuff early because we felt that that was a killer out So The other thing some people are using for is that I'm into track which particular box cars or trains So you don't necessarily have to have a transponder every device You'd have at least one of them one of the inches of transponder and make one of the cabooses and now you'll be able to see Where everything is in the yard and Know that they're in one section or multiple zones and track it that way So we've seen that and some people got some pretty cool stuff going on And obviously if you can know where your total train is from the first head-end element to your caboose You can obviously track it when it goes around the layout and that brings yourself to automation so you can detect when You've had a break up of the consist of the train and So there's a lot of potential for the future a lot of people done some interesting stuff And Yes, I was discussing there that if you have at least a caboose and a decoder locomotive Transponding now you're going to pretty good. You've got a unit train sort of Identifier Okay, the transponders of heaven allowed if you're instrumented on your throttle the DD 400s or the 400 twos now You press the fine button for the active locomotive that you're driving on the screen It will actually flop Come on the screen with the zone number that it currently is being tracked So that's something that has been the system now for us against ten years along the CVB back I didn't create these slides. I'm just kind of reading along with you Okay, yeah, so for Remote internet operations or where you have to remote dispatcher if you choose to instrument your layout now He can actually see what truly is in that staging yard without hidden track section Siding whatever so it's another kind of use. So there's a there's a number of different things that people can do with this if they choose And there's the last item. I forget what that is. So let's go to the next page Okay for transponder equipped We have all of our current production decoders. I'm pretty sure Transponding on them. I think everything it doesn't hasn't been made for probably six to five or six years To date Yeah, so if you have an existing Dakota that predates the transponding version you can add TL1 TF4's as I mentioned earlier to add on the same address it would then generate a Transponder signal that would be tracked with the Dakota that's non Transponder equipped And basically If you put those light decoders in passenger cars or cabooses for lighting effects That would matter to be transponding if you choose to turn it on and the value usually is CV 61 we set to at least a value of two and transponding will come on And these are the two little And on units. They're pretty small. They're pretty easy into most locomotives. So that's what we want Okay, we have basically the heart of the detector system is the video 168 The RX 4s RX 4s are just basically for RX ones and They hook into a header and you put about Instrument the current coming down your feeders and Bob's your uncle turn on the transponder decoder feature Detecting right away For the operations mode we back the same if the train is in a instrumented section When you you can obviously without any of this you can program like the soundbot in CV 58 You can for us for our sound decoders. You can change any time you want from a throttle operations mode, which would be directed to the address of that active locomotive on the layout and then if you add the transponder capability and instrumentation of the Detectors now you can actually when you push the display button. It'll actually be back on the last setting was So that's an extra feature that people some people like to know it's one of those things. It's an option Basically any of the CVs in the locomotive now can be read while it's running on the layout not trapped in a Service mode, you know programming tracks somewhere. So some people is convenient. It's a choice So basically you see here we need to come out to make the whole system work You need a command station of course you need an object detector with the RX 4s which are combinations of four RX 1s, which would do four zones and then you need a if you want To look at the find on the throttle You want a DD402 for example or 400 or 400 will actually Do the fine function. It's been in that throttle since like We first started shipping The obviously the decoders that you want to transform would have that feature inside them so you need that version to code it and We've been shipping those decoders since about 2001 so I don't think the last Transmitted that Dakota we've made it doesn't have transpawning It's probably around about 2002 or three I have to scratch one Remember banks. Yeah, it's been a long time Okay, okay, so basically this is for off-road we back We will have the command station Okay, we have the Command station here and it's hooked up to the track down this case We took an RX 4 one channel, which would be one of the RX 1 sensors instrumented the current flow in this in this lead and our media 168 is connected to the local and the command station and In times it reads the current pulses from the transponder and that allows it to work out What's going on and it sends the information back on local here? Okay, and on local it. This is kind of it doesn't really flow like the network would be common to everything But swaddle here seeing the same logo net. So if you press the fine button For working out where it is by location or if you use the operation mode read back The DD 400 already knows is a 168 in the system, and it will actually Automatically put the data back on the screen. So you don't have to do anything It would matter to you if it's instrumented it'll work if it doesn't you've done something wrong Anyway, so basically here We're not doing anything, but Using this to instrument the transponder current pulses going out on the track feeders, okay there's obviously we can also use the Detection section or a DC on C detection capability the 168 separately for like signaling or whatever So that's what we have. So it's it's something you know, some people have done it works quite well Okay so in this case We have a booster which is expanded from command station. We just add another track Current pickup from the second RX one in this case And basically the DD 400 or 402 here can see the local at feedback from the 168 and it would either detect the operations mode read back command and Response on this track or that track by the more work next Okay, so this is the RX for it has four sets of RX ones So it's pretty simple this little connector plugs into the video 168 there's a little mark connector on the board So you can run them at 168 with it and 168 without it if you want transponder you have to have this connected simple Okay, this is a bunch of spaghetti. Here's the video 168 with the logo net coming in and out from the command station and basically the track sections here and Typically you'll have multiple zones or detection sections They wire through here in this case. I believe it looks like we're combining the current for detection sections Into one return lead to the booster and in that return lead here We're coming up and going RX one and that allows us to see the current and for detection sections At the same time We wired in the way we want because they're flexibility with these transformers of hooking up in any of the leads We wish to instrument so this is how we hook up and we have a there's four of them Of course, we can have eight of one video 168. So that's We'll give you a test on this later. So make sure you remember all this Okay. Oh, that's it. So I guess are you guys refreshed? I think we'll sleep Okay, so I'll put it back to this Wake up the Transponding presentation that we put together we do have copies of that in the booth tomorrow So if anybody would like a copy or wants to talk more about transponding, please stop by and let's talk about it in your in your specific situation the reason we Wanted to go into discussion of transponding tonight was to sort of pre-answer a lot of the questions at the In-scale convention. We had a lot of questions about transponding and we realized that people had sort of forgotten What it was and why they would care? so hopefully you're Understanding it a little bit better. It's not an easy topic Something dude, but wait, there's more We've got Coming soon Wi-Fi for local net. Why would you need Wi-Fi for local net? We already got duplex radio and you can run your You know you might want to be able to use something else to run it with Does anybody have one of these? Does anybody have an iPad? Would you like to be able to use it to run your train? But would you would you like to be able to go straight to a Wi-Fi device instead of having to go through your computer? somebody wants to You want your phone back? It doesn't have the app on it yet. So why would you need that phone? So this is the local net Wi-Fi. We're projecting to get this into production shortly. It's going to be a hundred thirty nine dollars and Mr. Steve Pope from a room of labs who's developing this these apps would like to make a short presentation now and show you What might be coming? Yes, sir 64 Just feel it off and turn it over Stick em is not sticking Just double double sided So, okay, Steve, what do you what do you need? If you move it you're gonna be out of Okay, bear with us a minute more AV issues