 And Aloha and how you doing? Welcome to Hibachi Talk. Gordo the tech's out here. I'm really excited about today's show. It's just awesome. For a couple of reasons. One is Andrew's finally back. Everybody. Andrew, the security guy is here. How you doing? And my mentor, Kayla Rosenfeld is here. Yes. Who brought me into this $80. And it's helped me make all these non-millions of dollars over the past. Yeah, that's what I'm good for you. Thank you, Kayla. And you have a great story to tell. I'm looking forward to that. So please, grab yourself a libation, pull up a chair and join us for the next few minutes of Hibachi Talk. Oh, we didn't give you a head. She's going bottle. We're cutting back on costs. Anyway, Kayla, we start every show with a little bit of background on our guests and so on. We ask you like where you went to school and such and then and so on. So where did you go to school? From age five. Well, okay. That's about a week ago. I have a mixed background. Most of my, I grew up in Simsbury, Connecticut, but my dad was a Navy dentist. So the first few years of my life, I lived in Okinawa. Wow. All the naval bases there. So when I was about four or five, we came back to Connecticut and then as my teen years, I lived in Israel. And I'm a resident of Israel to this day. Oh, happy Passover. Yes, thank you very much. I know the freedom from flavoring. I'm waiting, I'm waiting. And then I spent the rest of my time in Simsbury, Connecticut where I did graduate high school. And then college I went to State University New York System where I got a degree in Fish and Wildlife Technology. Then I came to Honolulu at the whim of some friends who offered me a job and a place to live. That helps. That helps, yes. So I was on Maui for a couple of years working in the marine tourism industry. And then I applied for scholarship while I was doing that. And I ended up at UH Mandoa. And I got my bachelor's degree in environmental journalism there at UH Mandoa. Wow. Journalism. Environmental. And you said something about fish technology? Fish and wildlife technology. Right. What the hell could that possibly be? So it'd be like, you know, on the mainland you've got freshwater streams. And you want to figure out what the population of the different fish are. So you would sample that, sample wildlife in the forest. Also what's the alkaline or pH of water. Okay. So that technology of fish and wildlife. So I got, you're going to slap me after this. Is gaviltafish really a fish? Gaviltafish is a combination of white fishes put together. Together, in a stew or something. Well, it's in a ball. Like a matzah ball or in something like that. A fish ball. A fish ball. Okay. Like haggis. Yes. Our version of haggis. So I got, and I also got to say, when I first got, and Jay Fidel, too, we got to mention this, Jay Fidel and I got involved with you when you were with White Public Radio. Correct. And how long were you there? I was there for 11 and a half years. And you were, in what role? I was a news director there. I was a reporter, and then I worked my way up to news director. And in that capacity, of course, I built, you know, not of course, in my capacity. I built an award-winning news department for which I am extremely proud. And it's still going. So, and they're doing great, great stuff there. And then also while I was there, I had the opportunity to work on talk shows, which is where you and Jay came in. And I will tell you, one of my finest moments was launching Think Tech Hawaii on Hawaii Public Radio. Wow. You don't even have paying for this gig. I know. I know. But it was. You guys taught me a lot. You taught me a lot about getting along with people. You taught me a lot about tech, the world of tech and what it means and its different ways to be used. And I just, I learned so much. And here we are all these years later, and there's still that connection and bond. I mean, so how could it be wrong? Yeah. How come we're still sharing information? Exactly. Like you said, I didn't, your journalism major. So that's awesome. Now I see the connection to communications to come from that up to build a studio. That's amazing. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. And even to this day, it still is fun. I mean, for me, it's fun. For Jay, it's fun. And Jay's doing it like full time in his quote-unquote retirement. The days here are fabulous. I am so impressed. I'm so proud of you guys. Keep sending in that funding. Yeah. Send it in. Come on folks, send it in. Yeah. You gotta realize that everybody, you know, all of these shows were all volunteers, right? Yes. Our guests are all coming in here. You're not getting paid or anything like that. Correct. You've got a story to tell. And it's what this community is all about. We really help each other. Yeah. It's a real family. The stories, because you wouldn't get these stories. It's hard to get the one to many, you know, experience that you can deliver from here. So it's just amazing. Yeah. And we're all just a small community here trying, everybody trying to make it in the best way that they can. We have to depend on each other. Yeah. We really do. So, you know, your communications career is very dynamic though. I mean, you've done a number of things. Because you were at Hawaii Public Radio, like you said, for those number of years. And then after that, you went to, was it the state? I did. I did. Look at her face. I did. It was a huge learning experience. Let me say that I got paid a lot to learn where I don't belong. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Did you go straight from college to HPR? No, I had a break. From college, I went into aquaculture at the Oceanic Institute. Oh, okay. And then after that, I went to the Peace Corps. Oh, wow. And then after Peace Corps, I came back, and that's when I ended up at Hawaii Public Radio. I decided to really start working. Yeah. There was a stint in legislature there. The dark side. I thought, well, I've had it there too. Remember, we both went to the dark side. College. We were happiest day of our lives is when we got out of the dark side. Yeah. Yeah. I learned a lot working for this day. So did I. And I think every, I think it's one of those things that every, you know, we don't have the draft. I'm happy that Israel still has the draft. I wish we had the draft. I wish we could bring that back. But to replace it, if you don't want to do that, then let's, two years of public service. Agreed. It's really important to understand how government works. Yeah. Because if you don't understand that, you don't know how to operate. You don't know how to communicate. And it's frustrating because you can't get things done. Yeah. Even when you know how things work, you can't get things done. So at least if you've got the knowledge, it helps. It really, it really, really helps. I mean, what, but they're not getting much done. I mean, I just want to, I don't know, what did you fear somehow that they had need to learn back? Maybe you need to go back and teach. You know, my, my personal opinion, without being disrespectful is, and this comes from being a journalist, the state needs to learn to communicate clearly and not try to hide things. Yeah. And, you know, cover things in non-communication, that's supposed to be communication. You know, that was, that was my biggest frustration. Being a journalist, details and information are important to me. And I couldn't do that. Yeah. The word smithing. That's something. The word smithing. Oh my God. Yeah. It's just what they would do to change a certain word. Is it all about political positioning and posturing? It's about political positioning. And when something is, is acceptable to be released, never mind the fact that it should be released, but when is the best time to release it and the word smithing. So yeah. I see. It was a challenge. And you were in the media side. So you're, you know, let's go back to, because you went on the HPR side. So you had to deal with it from that side. Trying to pull information. Holding that stuff up. So you got to experience all of that. Yeah. And that was the other challenge is being a public information officer for the Department of Human Services. Welfare, child abuse, food stamps and elder abuse. So being a public information officer for that. And having to take questions from reporters. So right. These were my colleagues that I then had to stonewall, essentially. Did they know you were doing it? Yeah. I'm never going to get our jobs done. Just so you know. You just tell them the whole story here. So this is a good thing. Yeah. So did they know that? Yeah. I mean, Kaoki Curd once said to me, come on, Kayla, you know how this works. Give me the information. And I was like, but I can't. Thank you, Kaoki, for laying me straight. I know. And thanks to you too, because I got to know like Kaoki and all those players before I got into the dark side. And then when I'd see them, they had that smile on their face. And I'd go like, what do you want? Exactly. It isn't going to happen. Exactly. What an experience. Interesting. Yeah. But it gave me a good foundation to jump off into other things. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah. And when we get to the second half of the show, we're talking about, I love this shirt, by the way. Thank you very much. Thanks for wearing it. Yeah. So in the second half of the show, we're going to kind of get into this pretty cool new stuff here. Women in the industry, in the communications industry. I mean, you see it on television and those kinds of things. So has it blossomed? Has it grown? What's your view of how it's happening? My view is that women have always been in communications and always in the communications industry, but we've been in the backside of things. The men have been the face. Now technology has sort of leveled the playing field in that women have access to technology and can put themselves in the front. And you can also, in some cases, not indicate that you're female and go ahead and do what you're doing. Use a pseudonym and people don't know. So you're still getting your word out there. You're still getting the word out. Yeah. I've noticed that really cool stuff. Yeah. So technology has been a huge boon for women in communications. Awesome. Awesome. So I'm trying to keep our timing set. You have a security minute. We have a few minutes. Oh, yeah, quick. Okay. Why don't you give us a security minute? I'll do it when we come back, though. Oh, that's right. Okay, see ya. I'm the only one that's been away and I forgot how the program works. We need that camera angle. Okay, so let's come back on the women in the industry and the technology and so on because I even see it now. Now the other day there, and this is not so much communications, but NBA basketball game had a woman referee. Wow. And I went, whoa. And I never noticed it. My wife did. She went, oh, that's a woman referee. Wow. And I said, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with it, but our mindsets are still, we're still in this day-to-day thinking that women shouldn't be homogeneous within all these industries. Is it still, do you think tough for? In certain industries, sports is still, you know, I mean, if you think about where the money in sports is, it's not women's sports. Yeah, it's not the women's NBA, you know, for sure. Yeah. I mean, the WNBA. Look at the women's soccer, right? Yeah, the WNBA, which I followed from the very beginning, we used to call the local newspaper and say, why aren't there stats being published? When you've got high school, you know, local high school stuff being published, why can't you publish professional women's basketball? Yeah. You know, so we complain to that a lot. Yeah. And I think we should. You know, Andrew and I talk about this in the tech industry. There's not 30%, or less. Or less. But it's growing. It's growing. You know, it's just, yeah, it's the needs there. And what I find just, I think it's difficult for me to understand is because the roles are there, the work's being done, but even the salaries aren't equal yet. I mean, I still don't understand these things. It's just some old school mindset that's got to change. It's changing, but it needs to just change, you know. It's happening. So tell me, in the career that you've had, what are some kind of a high point, or one high point about the things that you got to be involved in and participated in? Usually I want to ask this because I'm hoping that some of the viewers are watching this and are like, well, I might want to get into that career because of these kinds of opportunities that come. Well, I'd say public radio was definitely a high point in my career. And it taught me how to communicate, ask questions, not be afraid to ask questions. And I liked that I could, you know, sort of drop the barrier because of who I was representing and what my job was I could ask questions. And that felt good. It empowered me. It really empowered me. And then also the opportunity to focus on a particular story and make that a point of interest or high profile, having that power to do that also was really invigorating and not abusing it, you know. So being humble in the process as well. Oh, we haven't learned that yet. Yeah. Last few years have taught me to be humble. I'll recommend it. Yeah. So that was really exciting. And then working with the state, I wouldn't call it a highlight, but it was a huge learning experience and I appreciate that opportunity. And then going out on my own with Wild Rose Communications, I've had a couple of really good experiences where I got to go to India with the East-West Centre. I got to be part of the World Conservation Congress here. That was here last September. I got to create a workshop for that. So that was really exciting. And then having opportunities just to talk with folks like, you know, just talk and talk story. Hibachi talk. Hibachi talk. Because of the things that I've done, I receive great invitations like this. And Wild Rose Communications, I mean, that's you. You started that. That's correct. That's yours. I mean, go out on your own. That's high risk. High risk. High risk. High reward. Can we say that again? High risk. High risk. And hopefully a reward. I think so. Yeah. And I've gone to your website, and I like the way you set it up. There's some really cool things that you've got happening on there. Thanks. I registered. I did. I always get so excited when I have people register. It's so nice. It's great. So you must be watching it all the time. You got to go check it out, man. It's pretty cool. I'll do that. It's very, very good. Wild Rose Communications. On the break, watch. His lovely bride is the head of his company. So it's a woman-owned. A woman-owned soul. It's a woman-owned soul. The whole thing's woman-owned. Trust me. It's a woman-owned soul. That's why you're so successful. That's what I claim. Yeah. Okay. She's successful. You're just kind of hanging out. She gives you time to do presentations. She lets me come here. So, yeah, but things that you taught me when you were there was one of the things you said to me one day, which resulted in my head forever. And even sitting on the show, I said, you said the moment you're on the microphone or the moment you're in front of the camera, you become the perceived expert. Correct. That's one of the lines you gave me when I went. Then I better be careful with what I say. Exactly. Because if I don't know what I'm talking about, then I better say I don't know what I'm talking about or just don't talk about it. Correct. We let Angus talk about that stuff. Yeah. And he's not even an expert at anything. I think that's a profound piece of information. And I wish all newscasters around this country would just keep that one little thing as you're a perceived expert. Exactly. And when they go, allegedly, or they try to puff up stories and so on, that's the 24-hour news thing that happened. So they're creating all the time. So they're trying to keep you watching for hours. They didn't have 24-hour news when you first got into the industry, did they? Not when I first got into it. You got into it, right? No, that was more like in the early to mid-2000s. Yeah, they told Teddy. He was crazy. Nobody's going to watch the news all day. Well, no one will unless you start to embellish on it. Yeah, because it's not quite news yet or it's evolving or whatever. And that's actually one of the reasons I found myself sort of overwhelmed by the news industry is because it was becoming 24-7 and it wasn't just putting your story out. You had to put your story out on different platforms and repurpose it for this and repurpose it for that. And then you're lost in doing that and you no longer have the passion for the story and the work that you're doing. And it just became really overwhelming. And that was one of the reasons I ended up moving on. Cool. Well, we're going to take a short break but I got to tell you what that looks like I like to jab you because you're going to jab me back hard. So I have a little slide here about the three top forms of communication. And I think number one is Twitter. Number two is the title of the last one is Tell a Woman. All the three fastest forms. Fastest forms. I don't know, I know some pretty gabby men so I can cut some slack on that. Tell it here. If you just tell it on a bunchy talk and the word will spread quickly. There you go. To all of our viewer. Anyway, we're going to take a little break. Back in a minute. Then we're going to talk about some cool stuff that Kayla's working on now. Okay, we'll see you in a minute. Hi, everyone. Ted Rawlson here, host of our think tech show where the drone leads. And a lot of you, of course, have been setting your clocks at four o'clock on Friday so that you can make sure you see our show. It's now changed. It's now going to be at noon on Thursdays. Noon on Thursdays, new standard time for where the drone leads. And where the drone leads is two systems like this, capabilities that we're using here in Hawaii these days. And we need you to pay attention to this. Be part of it. So see you at noon on Thursdays. Hi, this is Jane Sugimura. I'm the co-host for Condo Insider. And we're on think tech Hawaii every Thursday at three o'clock. And we're here to talk about condominium living and issues that affect condominium residents and owners. And I hope you'll join us every week on Thursday. Aloha. Hello, this is Martin Despeng. Please join me on my new show, Humane Architecture, like the one in the back that you see by architect David Rockwood. The show is going to be on Tuesdays, 5 p.m. here on think tech Hawaii in downtown Honolulu. See you then. Aloha, Kako. I'm Marcia Joyner, inviting you to navigate the journey with us. We are here every Wednesday morning at 11 a.m. And we really want you to be with us where we look at the options and choices of end of life care. Aloha. Hey, Aloha, everybody, and welcome back to Hibachi Talk. Got a quick security minute for you. Your Windows computers aren't very secure this weekend. Our friends, the shadow brokers who are, you know, launching all this allegedly weaponized malware that they got from the NSA, they put out a really big dump today of a lot of Windows exploits up through Windows 8 and some Windows Server 2012. It's going to take Microsoft a while to filter through. There's a lot of code there. But these are valid exploits, so be careful with your Windows PCs next few days. That's my warning. Angus, welcome back, buddy. What you got for us? How you doing? Very well, sir. It's nice to see you. Nice to meet you, Angus. Yeah, it's such a sweetie. Thanks. Good to know I always talk to a lot of nice things about you. I'm so glad. And how you get to meet you. It's very nice. And yeah, I got a re-gadget this week. You know, usually I'm complaining about government, but I got a little bit tired. Anyway, and we're talking about communication, so I wanted to go thematic. All right. So I want thematic. And there's this cool new device coming up, and they've been testing it in Hawaii. It's called E. And you wear it around your neck, like a little fog. And so I walked up to the Japanese lassies and they say, hi there, lassie. How you doing? And look at this. It translates to Japanese. Oh. It's awesome. The problem is it understands English, but it doesn't understand Scotland. So I haven't even challenged with that. Ah, easy. But anyway, that's the gadget of the week. Right on. Do they rent them or buy them? You can buy them. And I'm waiting for the net release list. They're testing them in Hawaii. Oh, I see. So I'm going to get one. I'll be using it. It's fine. You're talking to the tourists, aren't you guys? You know me. How would I know that? You have a loud idea. Anyway, that's my gadget of the week. And like, I always say it at the end of the show, at the end of every week. It's like, let your win game free. Where are you be? Aloha. Don Angus always got a gadget for us. So if you're not too good with your Japanese interpretation, I don't know if it comes in multiple languages, but maybe you get out and try one out if you see one around town. We're back with Kayla. Kayla, glad to have you. Thank you so much. I think we're going to learn a little bit about your more recent projects. We've gotten a good dose of what you've been up to prior to now. So let's hear about it. So yeah, we got it. Yeah, and we have a graphic. Oh, really? Yeah. Can you do the graphic? Okay, go for it. You please. Okay, so Gordon is wearing my current occupation, Bill Aloha. I'm working for Habitat for Humanity. But how I got there is I am a AmeriCorps VISTA volunteer. AmeriCorps is the domestic Peace Corps. And then VISTA is volunteers in service to America. So through that capacity, there are about 60 of us throughout the state of Hawaii right now and Saipan. And each of us is assigned to a different organization and capacity. So there's food sustainability, there's housing, there's literacy, there's financial literacy to name the top four. So I'm assigned to housing and my assignment is Habitat for Humanity here in Kalihi. In Kalihi. So VISTA is, I didn't know this. So this is why we have this show. So VISTA is the local version of the Peace Corps. National, domestic. So it's domestic version of the Peace Corps. Correct. It's actually AmeriCorps is the domestic version of the Peace Corps. And then VISTA has different programs underneath it. Okay. That's a good idea. See, I didn't even know anything about this. So across the country there are hundreds and hundreds of VISTA volunteers doing, as I mentioned, food security and all those things that I mentioned. So, okay, how do we get the word out then? Well, this will be one way. But I mean, how are you getting the word out? How are you communicating this to the nation that this exists? Well, last week there was a conference bringing together all the VISTA volunteers and dignitaries who appreciate and know of us. So that was out, a lot of that was streamed live. And then we had the conference at the Hilton Hawaiian Village and we had heads of local businesses come and speak with us and do different workshops and things like that. But primarily it's up to us as the VISTA volunteers to talk about what we're doing. So how big is the membership? Do you have an idea? I know there are several hundred of us across the country right now. Okay. And we work, VISTA is a one-year service. So each of us have a one-year term compared to the International Peace Corps, it's a two-year term. Oh, okay. Also it's the same model as the Peace Corps but in this country. Yeah, for internal projects. For internal projects. And so with Habitat for Humane, so are you, I see Bill the Loha, so are you supplying materials, labor? What's your, what do you do actually do? Okay, so just one more thing about VISTA. So like the Peace Corps itself, people from around the country are placed in different communities. So like there's a young lady working right now at Kalihi Palama Health Center. She's there from Minnesota. Oh, wow. Okay, so here's a young woman who is going to be working with the Micronesian population, right? So it's the domestic version of what you would do on an international capacity. All right, so in terms of what I do at Habitat for Humanity, I'm there primarily as, in my capacity as a communications consultant, but I'm not there as a consultant. I'm there as a VISTA volunteer. And my job is to help them increase their brand recognition. Okay. Because Habitat for Humanity gets mixed up with Habitat, for example. Oh, yes. Okay, so Habitat is housing. Habitat is drug rehabilitation. Okay, but for some reason, people tend to mix that up. I did. Okay, so that's the first thing. The second thing is, Habitat for Humanity has a primary revenue stream through what we call the Restore. And the Restore is a donation warehouse where anybody can donate materials and then those materials are sold and the proceeds go to building homes for families that qualify for the program. Oh, awesome. So I've started to see some of these restores pop up. We have one in Waimea and the Big Island. Right. Now... There's seven in Hawaii. There's seven in Hawaii. Now, the thing that made it a challenge for me was that I started into an old Goodwill place. Okay. So I thought they had just rebanded Goodwill. Oh. So my mind was just thinking, oh, I guess Goodwill's changing their name. Oh. Because I wasn't... Yeah, so after we talked, I went, oh, and I bought stuff from there because I'm building a house up there and they had light bulbs. Yep. I mean, they don't just sell construction stuff, but they can sell... There's all kinds. There's dishes. Yes, we used furniture, housewares. Oh, I didn't know that. Construction company is doing a project and they've left over materials. Donate it to the restore. You get a tax write-off. We sell it. We make money and are able to house people. Yeah, they had cable. I mean, they had boxes of cable. Wire. Tiles. We had Scofield Inn donated 20,000 square feet of laminate flooring. Whirlpool has donated at least 60 new appliances. Wow. That's awesome. We had malarkey... Malarkey. Malarkey. Roofing donated shingles. Wow. So it's those kinds of corporate donations that make a huge difference, but then the general public can come and donate anything as well. Now, those materials that get donated, they are... Can the general public purchase those? Are they going to be focused on affordable housing? No, it's for the general public. It's for the general public. Right. And then the proceeds from those sales get turned over to housing funds. Oh. Gotcha. Okay. Wow. Interesting. This is... It's a good idea. I feel like this is breaking news because I see them around, but we've never... I don't understand anyone on television. So there's two on Oahu. There's two restores on Oahu. The one in Honolulu, which is on Austin Street in Kalihi Tomashiro Market. Across from Tomashiro's Market. Okay. There's Austin Lane and it's down a little dead end. And one of the things we want to do is find a better location. Yeah, you need some street visibility. We do need some street visibility. So that's one of the things I'm hoping to appeal to your listeners and viewers is if you're in real estate or construction and you know of a warehouse, maybe 10,000 square feet, we're looking for that kind of space so that we can expand and help serve the community, but also expand our opportunities to make ourselves known. Right. And then the other one is in Campbell Industrial Park. Okay. It serves Leeward Oahu. Okay, cool. Now, we're down to one minute, so we're going to give you 30 seconds to get your final message across that you want to get. And I was like, oh my God, you finished this. You went through it fast. Didn't it go through fast? Yeah, I guess it is. We should throw that graphic up. Yeah, let's throw the graphic up. So if you are a, say, a family that's in need of decent low-income housing, if you look starting from my left side of the screen, you go through an application process and you're vetted for your ability to not default on a 0% loan. Your ability to have $1,000 to cover basic materials and to provide sweat equity, because part of the program is that partner families must provide sweat equity. I like it. That's why the cost of their, their cost of the project is so low. So I'm going to put this graphic on the Hibachi Talk website. I'll put that up. Awesome. So it'll be there and obviously it's going to be on the show. And unfortunately, I cut the bottom off a little bit. It's just this habitat for humanity, but we got that. And it's all about building Aloha. It's building Aloha. It's all about building Aloha. This is pretty cool. Kayla, it's so great to have you on this show. It's awesome. Awesome. And no guest goes unrewarded. Okay, here it is. So here is our autographed solo cup. You can, I don't want to, I don't expect to see this getting for set up the restore. No, I'm going to keep that on my desk. Yeah, for sure. Number 113 in the series. Wow. Very cool. Very cool. I'm honored. Thank you. Thank you, Kayla. And we'll have you on the show again, because I think we've got only the story. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. That'll be great. Andrew and Gordo, thanks. That's awesome. And don't forget about the windows. Leave your machines off this weekend, I think might be a good thing. Wait for some updates. And like we said at the end of every show, one, two, three. How you doing?