 Well, that's the thing. This is the nuance of Lord of the Rings. A lot of people consider it a very simple story, but like I feel like a lot of this is telling us like very good people can have flaws that can lead to very dark paths if they're not, you know, in Stullwater sort of thing, but there's always a way back, that sort of stuff. But it cannot stay in the Shire! No! You must leave, and leave quickly. I'll be waiting for you at the end of the Prancing Pony. Hobbits really are amazing creatures. And that's what Tolkien was on about. I mean, you know, World War One tore people away from where they lived their whole lives and sent them to, basically sent them to hell, sent them to mortal. You're compounding all Samwise Ganji! Have you been eavesdropping? I've been dropping no eavesdropping. And throughout history, that's why people used to, you know, the peasants used to join the Lord's army or whatever, because that was their chance to go somewhere. Rip them all down. Rip them all down. Destroying nature. I know obvious, but still something I just want to acknowledge is like the soundtrack reflects like the naturalistic sort of elements with the Shire, and then with the bad guys very much clanking metal. I think the Lord obviously represents that as like an industrial version of... Well, and some of it is like the actually using chains. It's got that din, din, din, din, din, din, din. Before like the brass comes in. And that's like all you see. Seriously, that's like one of the biggest core elements of all of Lord Rings, I think, is that we should work together. I'm not hurt. Over and over, they show them working together and watching out for each other, even when Gandalf was illuminating off the side of the cliff, which I think we should be doing if you're trying to lay low. Even as like, as Mary like starts to peer over the edge, Pippin like kind of holds his chest, like don't fall. Just like all the little things like that that show that they're watching out for each other. I don't think Pippin is such lads. Oh yeah. Over here! This way! It's working! I know he's working! Run! This is where I mean, Barmy is... There's this moment here where there's like, they know they're leading these guys to their deaths. Barmy's sacrifice is built on another two different characters. His choice to sacrifice. Yeah. Gives him his chance. It's all about that teamwork. The old world will burn in the fires of industry. This is the essence of what Tolkien despised. Just the want and destruction of the natural environment. Oh, it's so perfectly captured. Everything is brushed onto the wheels of, of batteries and... The smog, the instumption. Gray, the dirt, the smoke, and it's just all covered up. There's no more greens. They're all getting... There's nothing living. I was just gonna say, I like this scene though, like the soldiers just going through it just picking out lads who look like roughly big enough to swing a sword. Like you're coming with us and you're probably gonna die. But it's, it's a great like representation of, I guess, the practicalities of life back then. If you were a lad of like at least 14, 15, you're probably gonna have to go to war. Like if shit happens. Yeah. For all the men here as well, signaling the desperation of this situation that they need everybody that they can get. One of the parts that I definitely remembered even as a kid, because I was like, oh no, everyone's gonna die. They don't all die, so that's nice. That's right, they don't all die. I can argue this speech applies to a hell of a lot more than what he's talking about in the vein of the creative arts having been crushed. I mean, I say this as if you haven't done that with a lot of your videos, Gary, like this. Yeah, I put this in as much as I can, because it's very applicable. A lot is being said. Yes. Yeah, well, they're a bunch of jerks, sir. How did it come to this? I ask myself that every day. It's great to watch films like this, though, every once in a while and remind yourself, like, this is what movies can do for you. Yeah, you didn't gas like yourself. You didn't just become cynical. You didn't just decide I don't like films anymore. I was like, no, no, no, the ones you were watching before were really fucking good. Your favorites are really fucking good. There was definitely a process to get where we are today. You're saying it took a while? It took a minute. It also feels deliberate giving the bad guys crossbows or mechanical, right? Yeah, it's more industrial and mechanical. Yeah. Yeah. Even small bits like that are always quite like, there's so many of them are not ready to go toe-to-toe with one of those fuckers. Like, they're so vicious. And then that door open. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, give us why. You really get the impression of like, this is the new world versus the old. Like, they are not equipped to deal with this kind of siege warfare, like the new, the gunpowder, these like spring powers. All this stuff that like just overcomes all their defenses. I love that. This actually permeates so much of the story. Like, this could be the last time we do this. We're going to risk everything on this one last assault, but fuck it, we're going to do it anyway because it's the right thing to do. Angry trees. Well, the allegory is getting pretty over it now. Nature's like, fuck nature. No, there's a guy who catches on fire. It does make me laugh when the, the water is like flood eyes, a guard, you just see him dunking his head. Yeah, first thing he does is dive in. Zara wakes up, he's like, what the fuck is all that noise outside? Sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? Why are you going to do this to me, Sam? What the reason doesn't do is strictly like what hundreds of happy eddig. No, it doesn't. There's a cost. There's a cost to any victory. And that cost isn't always immediately obvious. No, what this movie, what the books pull off is you've got your little MacGuffin, you've got a ring and you think it's the easiest thing. It's just, they even mentioned within the book, it's a little thing. This little thing is so destructive and so hard to get rid of and so manipulative and everything has weight and gravity to it and that's the verisimilitude, I'll use RMB's term, that works for this film is when they grounded it, what their approach to it was, we want to make this historical. We're not making a fantasy, we're making a historical biopic. Those were the stories that stayed with you that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. I think it kind of worked. Uh, you can say that. I think they did okay with it. Yeah, there it is. This is that moment when you're joking with friends but you're actually serious. Yeah, which mean it's just what an effective way of demonstrating just how toxic and corrosive the ring is. How quickly it can happen. We're out fishing and now they're fighting each other to the death. That's not a good thing. But we're still clawing for it as well. Yeah. Ugh. Must be getting your tea time this way, so it would be in decent places. We're not in decent places. We're not in decent places. I don't think he'll be coming back. In a way you will not. We're going there and back again, just like Mr. Bilbo. You'll see. But I mean, yeah, it's a nice reassurance but I mean, you know, Frodo's right. It's just a lot going on and it's like layer one is, you know, just a general worry. He's like, really? That layer two is like, he did. Yeah, of course, the lay down is sure. You can physically come back. You can go back to the Shire physically after surviving your journey, but the journey exacts a toll. And it's something that I think a lot of people even who love these films didn't quite understand fully of what was being said with that. Well, I feel like it's a super important part of the story. The idea that, you know, the quest costs him something. It's one of them scenes that can be analyzed day and night for a thousand years. Yep. It feels like more than the sum of its past. This seems like this. I think so. Definitely. Absolutely. I think so. Well, it feels like commentary on war beyond the film, beyond the story itself. Symbolism. Denethor just eating like a fucking pig. I mean, while all of these men riding out to their needless deaths. Needless deaths. This is crazy asshole. Yeah. And then when you add on the elements as well, right, of Boromir and Faramir is like a big motivating element of this happening in the first place. Even Gandalf's sad. He's like, man, that sucks. Yeah, just tragic. The senseless death. She's talking about herself. It's a textual. You know, as little of war as that hobbit. Well, this is the thing about these movies is like you've got this attitude from Aomir that can seem like mean and restrictive and narrow minded. But then we get like, he ain't fucking lying. He's been there. He knows what this is. He's been through it. I mean, we met him essentially on a field of dead people. War is the province of men, Ewin. And he's not saying it to be like men, women suck. He's like, no, it sucks that men have to do this. Yeah, you don't want to be. You have to do this. Consider yourself the lucky one that you don't have to do this and we do. It's a totally different approach than what we see nowadays, which is yeah, war is awesome and girls, guys, they get it done. It's one of the most interesting things that Ragnarok, well, man, Ragnarok does so many interesting things. I don't know how to say that. Something that's so cool about Ragnarok is that they have the big hype moment of, yeah, let's go. And then as soon as the battle begins and the music kicks in, it just creates the vibe of, oh, this isn't, this is war and this is not, this is not good. Nobody wants this back. Yeah, like screaming and the tension in the music. For reference, he's saying got a war Ragnarok, not Thor Ragnarok. No, not Thor Ragnarok. I mean, again, I like the joke, but now those foundations are gone. Carl Irvin was in Thor Ragnarok. He was. He was in Thor Ragnarok. He went on and on. He did. Remember when he was a good character? He actually had it. Yeah, that's crazy. He gave his life defending people. Defending Asgard. He had that one extremely cool shot where he was wielding a dual machine. Two M16s with it. And it was so fucking great. What a great character. And he just showed up for that movie. Introduced it as he got them from Texas. Well, here comes another amazing scene. Yep, sorry, there's just too many in a row. You would call upon them to fight. They believe in nothing. You know what's cool, though, on theme, Aragorn being like, why the fuck would we use the ghost? The traitors, murderers. It's just on theme for Lord of the Rings that you have your path to redemption, even the army of the ghosts sort of. Imagine how horrible that curse is. I mean, it's not as bad as the curse of the Nazgul. It's like, are they still aware that they were once men, but they are just like these Autons for Sauron now? Just being trapped in that mountain because you're a bunch of pussies. The war lies to the east. You cannot leave on the eve of battle. You cannot abandon the men. I think the thing that checks them is they're just a one off. I mean, there are multiple instances throughout this trilogy of characters who brush against or almost become redeemed. You have Smeagol. You have Grima. You have, of course, the ghosts. Bad things have happened. Can you ride that road? Well, yeah, that's all we could do. How do you run the gamut on that? We get like all the people who do, all the people who, like people who don't necessarily, you know, like Theoden, he feels like a lot of what he's doing is redeeming his lack of having been in part to important events or something. It's just like there's no need to feel that way necessarily. But then you have Barmyr who really is making up for a huge mistake. Theoden's also, I mean, lack of being a good king and lack of being a good parent. I missed you, Joey, since the first I saw you. I guess in a way, you would obviously blame himself for what happened with Grima and Saruman's holdover. And it's good to see, like, the results of all these different characters and where they go is some make one decision, some make the other. Yeah. Some, you know, die for it in a good way, some die for it in a bad way. But you see that variety. And so it's easy to sort of communicate that message of redemption. Have you learned nothing of the stubbornness of dwarves? We're going with you, Lennie. But of course, a critical thing being, well, I mean, you got to chase that redemption. You got to work for it. Yep. It's not something that you can just stumble into. It requires very focused, directed effort. Yeah, you got to want to change. It is a difficult thing. And it wouldn't have value if it was an easy thing to do. Right? It's very nature. It might entail a great deal of suffering and strife and, you know, work. And it might kill you, but that might be the price. It might kill you, which is a super important one with like Borromea. It gets him killed. I feel like this is so absent from so many films, the acknowledgement of the cost of these victories. Oh, this scene is fucking amazing. That man is... Car Urban giving it all he's got. That moment gives way more context. What are you saying to it earlier?