 All that order this Monday, July 25th meeting of the Mobbular Planning Commission. First we have to approve the agenda. So we can get a motion for that when you're ready. I move to approve the agenda. A motion from Ariane. Do you second? Second. We'll give it to Jeff. So motion from Ariane. Second from Jeff to approve the agenda. Those in favor of approving the agenda say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Don't think I heard enough. Ayes. Agenda approved. And moving on. Comments from the chairs. The next thing on the agenda. I don't have anything. I hope everyone got to take a look at the arts and culture chapter. We'll be going over that later. But I don't have any news here. So I'm going to move on to the general business. Unless, does anyone have an update other than Mike has some updates coming up, but does anybody else have anything? Before I move on from the comments from the chair. Okay. General business is there, does not appear to be anyone from the public here to discuss anything that's not on the agenda. So we'll move through the general business and we'll get the update on the council meeting from July 20th from Mike. All right. So this is pretty quick. We did have a council meeting. We put a couple of items on. So Ariane and I were appointed to the CVRPC. So that step is taken care of. And we also submitted our recommendation to approve the contract to SE group that also got approved. So I'm in the process of drafting the contract. I've been in touch with them and we've got a meeting just staff and their technical team are gonna be meeting on the eighth of August to start laying things out and setting up, getting basically getting the project started and rolling. So it's good news that they wanna kind of jump on that right away. So that's taken care of. I'm still trying to do some follow-up on what was up with the planning commission appointments. I didn't see that on the agenda. I don't know if it was because there weren't any applicants, but I've gotta reach out again to Mary to ask what's the deal. I also, there also was a student who was interested in applying. I don't know if he didn't apply or what was the issue, but he was supposed to get appointed as well, but he didn't end up, that didn't end up getting appointed. So there's only one meeting in August. I think it's like August 20th. Don't quote me. It'll be a Wednesday somewhere in that timeframe. So I'll see if we've got appointments coming up at that time, but if you know people who are interested, have them fill out an application and I'll try to make sure that we've got that rolling at the manager's office. So other than that, unless people have questions on some other things, that's where we're at. Thanks, Mike. I'm also very aware that we're imbalanced as far as gender ratios. So hopefully we get a female person interested, but there's not a lot we can do about that. Okay, so the next thing on the agenda is just to take a look at the arts and culture chapter. I mean, I plan to just do a discussion. I take it that everyone had a chance to read it. I know that I was late and getting out to everyone, I only give you like a day. Did people get to take a look at it yet? See one, no. Yeah, I mean, I didn't get to take a look at it, but I probably feel like this is the area I have the least expertise of all the, so do you wanna, I mean, just give us a summary or I don't know, maybe other people don't have the desire to jump in. Yeah, whatever you guys want. I mean, I can give a few minutes right now. I can also do a broad, I mean, I won't read the things. I know people haven't liked that in the past, but I could give a broad overview if people find that helpful, whatever you want. Any opinions? Yeah, overview would be nice. Okay. All right, so I'll share screen then. So here it is. I added to what we already had for the most part. There were summer done at these. The aspirations and goals stayed pretty much the same because I basically felt like I could fit everything that I could find from the public arts master plan into what we already had there for goals and things. That master plan is not as broad as what our chapter was being conceived as. As in it's all about, that's all about public art. But we also wanted to touch on some culture stuff. So it, I don't know, like there was a whole lot in this first aspiration, which is Montpelier will support public art and thoroughly integrate it into our urban landscape. I modified that slightly from what was before. The thoroughly integrate part was to capture kind of what the master plan was getting at, that the public, when I say master plan, in this case, I'm gonna be talking about the public arts master plan. The public arts master plan really, it had a lot of emphasis on cramming public art everywhere, like in the alleys, on the back of buildings, anywhere that we can put it, which I think is a wonderful idea. And there was a lot in there about using the bridges and making lane and street full of art all the time. So that's why I feel like just thoroughly integrated because I thought that captured the spirit of what they were getting at and a lot of that plan. Our goals are basically the same as what was there before. The first one is the city will be a leader or this could be Montpelier will be a leader in creating and developing lasting public art installations and prominent. I put prominent and overlooked spaces again, trying to capture what they were getting at in the public arts master plan because I think this originally said prominent, but I was wanting to go along with what they wanted. Now that I'm looking at it, we could change that just everywhere. But at any rate, the strategies, I left the strategies we had, I fleshed some of them out based on what was discussed, but it's, you know, in emphasis on putting public art installations into every city finance project. As far as the doable things like the second strategy, I'm not sure is anything specific. I don't know if it's specific enough, but then there was some funding strategies, which is I'm following what the master plan said about that. So I don't know anything about how we plan to try to fund art, but there was plenty in there. So I included, there's this public art fund, which I believe now exists, so Mike is nodding. And then, and I wrote as dictated by the Montpelier public arts master plan because they had pages and pages about how they want to use this fund, how, you know, the administration of the fund, there's city policies about it. So I just kind of incorporated by reference just that aspect of the plan for this far as the public art fund. Some of these can be reordered. Like I threw this to create more installations that come alive at night. That was something they had. I didn't know anywhere else to put it, I don't know if it's that good of a strategy. Maybe we can improve that. Another thing they had about funding was to start presuming state and national grants. I don't think we're at a stage where we're trying to do that yet. So it seemed like a good thing for the city plan though, because it is gonna be like a, the next few years kind of thing. One thing that they wanted to do was inventory all public art Montpelier. So I included that. There were some policies that they wanted adopted that were kind of administrative. I thought that made sense for a strategy. So I put those in. I don't know, I haven't kept up on whether any of these have actually become policy since that master plan was adopted. Mike's saying no. So that might be a good thing just to have in there. Another idea that they had in the longer term was to have a policy of contributing 1% of the budget for all capital projects be dedicated to public art. I thought that was a good funding source. And they had some marketing stuff they wanted to do. And then they also wanted to explore some new revenue strategies down the road. They had some specific ideas. I went ahead and just left them out though, because I thought being open-ended might be useful because there might be other ideas. But some of their ideas are things like taking a portion of the mills and rooms tax, the local option tax revenue that we have for that and dedicating it to public art. So things like that, but I didn't specify. I just left it open to exploring new revenue strategies, which we've done that in other chapters for other things. Okay, so our second goal was to help incur and promote temporary public art. And these were actually useful categories because the public arts master plan does not split it up like our goals do, like permanent installations versus temporary, but they had plenty of temporary and like it split itself up pretty easily when I went to go do this. So for the temporary type stuff, facilitate temporary public art displays, temporarily, or periodically make public space available for temporary. This includes the empty storefronts idea that we had talked about before and that's in the master plan. There's a bit dedicated Langdon Street, like I said before. So I put Langdon Street in there as a temporary because I think Langdon Streets mostly thought of as something that's going to rotate its appearance a bit. So that's why I put it in the temporary. There were ideas in the master plan relating to doing earthwork displays in Hubbard Park, which I took to be a temporary thing because something that would kind of fall apart over time. There was an idea to have a soapbox stage. This one seems an easy, like when we go to do our strategies, we have the, how difficult is it to implement? This one seems really easy, just a little stage somewhere in a public space downtown, like in front of City Hall, for instance, where that would be the place where performers could go and do their thing. And we may attract more people in doing that by having that available because dynamic art is something that I threw on this goal in with the temporary, which we haven't focused on a lot, I don't think we should overlook either. So we've got soapbox stage for that. We've got, there's this, there was a few pages, I think it was pages anyway, dedicated to this Sculpture on Loans program that the Public Arts Commission was interested in and making the master plan. So I put in a strategy for that. And they also wanted in the longer term to collaborate with local international museums to do exhibits. So since that's sort of a, would be a temporary exhibit, I put that in our temporary goal. And then there was, we had a thing about making it inclusive for all people. We had these three strategies already, which are about just the backgrounds of the type of artists that we work with and trying to make that diverse. There is one about native history. I had modified this a little bit to say done by native artists when possible. There wasn't anything that I noticed about native stuff in the Public Arts master plan, but I think that there's plenty of room to do that for our plan. The Public Arts master plan did include a long term, a longer term goal of having a mobiliar cultural plan. So I put that in this section about welcoming and inclusive backgrounds. It's not a perfect fit, but I didn't know where else to put it. And I don't know about, since it's, I don't know, but that's something to think about if we wanna move that somewhere else or figure out a different goal related to that. And then they also had a longer term goal of working with non-traditional partners. So I threw that in as a strategy there. We had a perspective aspirations. Our first aspiration was about lots of public art. Our second aspiration was about supporting local artists and performers. We had a goal of create opportunities for local artists. I think this actually says something slightly different before, but I changed it to make the goal better, match what the strategies were about. The storefronts thing is here too. So that could be like a, might wanna just combine those or have what we've done before. One strategy, but tag it as, oh, that's aspiration, A, or A and B and Mike knows what I'm talking about. And I think this was our strategy from before, making facilities available. This is something out of their master plan, which is they want to prioritize using Vermont artists for all projects under 50,000. They also have, they want, they also included in the public arts master plan if it's more than 50,000, they would look at national artists. But as far as fitting this aspiration, I just put in that the part about the 50,000 for local. Artists and residents program is from the master plan, from their master plan. Collaborating with local schools for programming that features public artists is from theirs. And another idea that they had was to develop a list of qualified artists to be used by businesses, developers, individuals interested in commissioning public art, which I think is an easy thing for the city to do to help local artists find work and also allows the city to kind of vet things a little bit. So that seemed like a good one. And then support privately organized events. We just had, this is from us, I think. So this might be something that gets wrapped up in one of the other areas, but it also could be something that we flesh out more because honestly, a lot of the art stuff that's happening in Montpelier that I'm the most aware of is already privately organized events like Ice on Fire and All Species Day and all those artistic events that take place. The city's working with private nonprofits that are actually organizing those things and chanted for us. So there's already a lot of this going on. And then the last aspiration we had was to help develop artistic skills and art appreciation. I think I added the art appreciation because that was something from their master plan. So under that, there's the one goal or actually that should be more of a strategy. I don't know what to do here actually about this, that's definitely more of a strategy the art courses thing. Or we need to change that goal because there's the art course strategy and then that was something we had. And then the last two were from the public arts master plan which is to create a volunteer program to help with events and installations and to, this is where I put to just periodically update the public art master plan as a way to continue to support art appreciation. So I don't know, there's a few not so great fits to hammer out and I'm aware of that. And I trust that Mike will do some reorganization and totally expect that when we go to put this in the typical format. But with that said, does anybody have any immediate feedback? I just would say, oh. Oh, no, it's all you go. No, I was just gonna say thank you for doing this work Kirby. And I don't, again, I don't have a lot of expertise in this area, but it seems all good to me. Yeah, and I was just gonna go and mention that I think there's a lot of pieces here. And I mean, like you said, I'll have to fit this to our format, but I think there's a lot of, I think there things are in pretty close to the shape that they would be. So there's not a lot that kind of needs to be changed. I think some of them I just have to go through and define this as a policy. This is what this is talking about as a policy. So it'd be a policy to do this. And what this, this is a program that we need a program to do this. And so I think there'd be a bunch of those types of things, but I think it's mostly there. And I think what the planning commissioner will have to think about is a little bit on the, especially on the starting at the top and working down with the aspirations. And then the goals is, you know, whether we think, for example, it is our job as city government to support the development of artistic skills and artistic appreciation in the region. And I think that's just the policy question, the overarching thing. Is that something for us to do? It's, you know, there's a lot of things in the world that are good to have done. The question is whether this is gonna be our job. And I think we talked about that with like economic development, having goals that goals to have living wage. It's a great idea. It's a great thing to have. Is it really our job as government to be dealing with living wage? And so I think this, these, some of these might have that same question. Is it our responsibility to support local artists and performers? Maybe that's yes, maybe that's no. It might be a yes, but one of the goals might be a no. And, you know, actually the B, I didn't have that, the number two, I didn't have that much of an issue as I was describing that as an example. But there may be ones in here that similar to our economic development discussion, similar to some of our others that we might say, it's there, but that's not really our job. Or we say, yes, these are all a job. In which case, then I can go through, fit this up to our format and we're on our way to being done with this chapter. Pretty quick. So thank you, Kirby. You did a great job organizing this. Yeah, no problem. And I see what you mean about three. Honestly, like this was the one where I was like a catch-all category anyway. And I actually think that the strategies down here, which are kind of the main point and two out of three of those were out of the public arts master plan. The last two, then the first one was just the art courses. This thing is just an idea up to as just a nice thing the city can provide along with all the other recreational stuff that it already provides. It would be just like a little recreational program. My thought is we can take some of this material and just put it out of places anyway. And we don't need an aspiration about developing artistic skills and art appreciation because I'm not even sure that those three things fit that very well anyway. Like I'm not sure that we need a strategy to continue to update the public art master plan. Probably not. My thought of including it was they want to do this public arts commission and to, I don't know, keep momentum going with that because they made their master plan, they're doing a lot of new good work. So how can we support that? So I don't know, if we have a strategy in here, I felt like that would at least be something, having that in the city plan would support those endeavors, but if people don't feel like it's needed or it's gonna ever be realistically, practically useful, whatever then. And I can look at how we've done it in other chapters too. Again, that can come back to the consistency because we've talked about like the EDSP, we've talked about, well, we should update the EDSP. Should that be something? And if I was gonna put a year on it, I would probably go through and I would probably just go and update the public art master plan every eight years in conjunction with the city plan update. That three to five is from the public art master plan. Yeah, I would probably recommend to them that we look at a slightly wider window. So that way, cause what happens with a three to five years is we're all and we're updating the city plan every eight years then we're not gonna have, it'd be nice for them to do their eight years a year before our city plan. So that way we can take their changes, incorporate them into the new city plan. And it just builds, they can continue to remain dovetailed together pretty well. Reading between the lines a little bit, I think they put three to five because they had some short-term goals and then they wanted to meet those and they thought they'd meet them in two to three years and then they wanted to update it again. But maybe after the next time they update it, they'll be on like a track for like eight years. And we can work with them also internally on, cause we're trying to divide between two. So we, the city council, and I think I've mentioned this to planning commission but for the public or anyone who might be watching, the city plan has a strategic plan where they are looking at 18 to 24 months. So we build out a city council strategic plan that helps drive my work plan and it drives every department's work plan, including the public art commission, their work plan. So as we build these strategic plans, that's really meant to be our action. So of all the things in our, and what the plan is that eventually our city plan helps to drive that process. So of the everything that's in our eight year city plan, what are the things that are in this 18 month window? Because that's the stuff that we've got to start getting staff time on and we've got to start putting money and resources on so we can implement it. Some things are short and quick, and other things take longer. So the goal is that we start having these windows and that might help them if they start thinking about things in two different pieces. What's in your short window that goes in the strategic plan of that 18 to 24 months and what are the things that are in our, what do we wanna accomplish in the eight years? And then we start prioritizing. So we break that eight years into four two year chunks and try to accomplish what we can in those chunks. So that way we're checking the box. That's our whole point is to have a plan that we start checking off the things of all the things we're getting done. And hopefully by the end of the eight years if we had five things to get done, hopefully we've gotten all five but maybe we only got four done and we can carry that last one over to the next eight year plan and identify what else goes in over the next eight years. Okay. Well, so Mike, when you take this, yeah, I mean, I would be perfectly fine with you breaking up the third aspiration and relocating the things to other categories that fit just so that we're using our time decently here and giving Mike some more guidance about what direction to go when he goes to do his thing next. I wanna ask if everyone would be fine with, that would leave us with two aspirations. And so let's talk about that and maybe try to nail that down. The first aspiration being mob healer will support public art and thoroughly integrate into our urban landscape and mob healer will support local artists and performers. Do we have thoughts about those two aspirations or any aspiration that's not that that doesn't cover? Okay. So I'm gonna take that as people are fairly content with that. Wording-wise, I would probably adjust, well, I'll talk about the first one, mob healer will have public art thoroughly integrated into the urban landscape. So what we wanna do is to define it as an endpoint, a goal, a statement, a vision. That's what our vision is. As opposed to supporting mob healer will support public art, his mob healer will have public art thoroughly integrated into an urban landscape. And that would match the form of what we are looking for. That makes sense to me. So that's for everyone else who maybe hasn't gone through all this too many times. That's usually when I go through to kind of fit the format, that's what I'm trying to do. I won't usually go through and try to change intent too much. I usually try to go through and it's just changing. So that way it matches the format of the other ones. And that would be the thought behind the changes that I would do. Did you have a different idea the way to frame number two, aspiration two? I don't know, I might have to think about that one a little bit more. I kind of look at the goals because we want everything that works backwards and forward. So aspiration, the goals, if we do our strategy, do we accomplish our goals? If we do our goals, do we meet our aspirations? And I think this one, I'll have to do a little bit more of a careful dive down in to see what these are, to see if we're, are we supporting artists and performers in this? Are we supporting, are we creating opportunities? Montpellier will have, yeah. I'll have to do a little bit. I see where this is going and the difference. These are kind of, one is kind of looking at those fixed items as far as I can tell. And I know if John was here, he'd probably go through and say too many aspirations, we can probably compress these down into one. We don't really need to talk about the physical art, statues and paintings and those things and differentiate those from the artists themselves. Or maybe that is the goal. I know John's always looking to compress them. So I always like to break them apart, but it's one, I'll have to kind of do a little bit of work and maybe what we can do is I can go through and make a bunch of my tweaks and adjustments unless people want to jump up and say, there's some part of this they don't want to keep. Then I'll go through kind of make it fit the format and then we can put it on the agenda for the next meeting for everyone to kind of review and improve. I think that's a great strategy. And Kirby, thanks for putting some things together. This is non-area strength for me. Yeah, so when I said I usually don't change things too much, you're right, the aspiration too, I'll probably have to change because I don't think that will fit, but I'll start with the strategies and see what our strategies are telling me we're trying to do. Because as you said, Kirby, you took this out of their plan and tried to put them into places. So I'm going to try to look at what it is, try to say what is this telling us, create a goal and then look at the goals to try to create an aspiration. Yeah, I think there's those. I sense that one area that may be causing you some trouble is with planning, we don't usually directly talk about people. Is it because it's something about the artists and performers, so would it fit better if it were rephrased to focus on supporting local art and instead of the people part of it? And our economic development plan though, we did have a people. No, the people's okay. Yeah, people's okay. And maybe this is exactly what you're intending is that these are all things that are used. Yeah, our top aspiration for economic development will says Montpelier would be a great place for people in the workforce to live because we provide equal access and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, maybe it's not, maybe it's not. Like I said, I'll take a look through and see if it is about the local artists and performers and the first one's looking at, and maybe that's the distinction I need to keep in my mind is aspiration one, aspiration A is talking about art and aspiration two is talking about the artists and performers and if that's the distinction between A and B one and two, then that helps me to then start thinking about how I see these goals, policies and strategies because that's a distinction and that's a good distinction and it certainly is perfectly fine for us to say we support the artists and we support the art and those we're thinking about those are two separate things. Obviously the artists make the art but in a lot of ways the art itself, the artists make the art and then the artists are done and gone and we're left with, that's why we've got these maintenance things that they pointed out in the master plan that were very important is a lot of times communities create art, but then there isn't a plan or a fund or anything to maintain that art and it falls into disrepair and it loses its effect so you really need to have funds that help support and maintain that art over time. Yeah, one thing I'm noticing is what's under, I know I did the lettering different than normal than we normally do so hopefully there's no confusion under what's goal C for here, the cultural plan, I was pulling that from the other master plan and I put it there but it actually probably fits under two way down here better because it goes to performing art, art education, art of support services that those are the things that they were thinking that a cultural plan would be about and so it goes to the stuff that two is addressing, aspiration two is addressing more so that might be one to move. Mike, would it be helpful for you if we also went over the goals or do you feel comfortable working with what you've got there? No, I think the goals are pretty close. So the shift that'll be in there is usually the goals have the maintain, evolve, transform so we should be looking at what we're trying to do and whether we think we're doing a good job at it, most of these are gonna probably be evolve or transform because the city has not had a public art program. I mean, it's very recent that the plan was done and very recent that they've started working on this although they have very active committee right now but mostly you can probably making up first stuff so we're gonna probably have a lot of improve this, expand this so those types of qualifiers I'll reword these with those qualifiers in it so that way we're meeting the correct format and then the strategies will, as I said, I'll have to group into whether it's a policy or a program or a project and kind of flesh that out in that way. Okay, yeah, sounds good. Okay, and just a couple of notes for you, Mike. I did include at the top because I know in our aspiration goals and strategies we like to put what entities are responsible for what things. I went ahead and put the list of things that the public arts master plan had called out for entities responsible. So number one being the Montpelier Public Art Commission. There's probably not a lot of these that the planning commission will actually probably be put on just because of the fit but so for your sake, Mike, I wanted to put those in there to give you those ideas. And then I also noted at the bottom which I'm sure you're probably already gonna do this but when we go to write the language for the chapter there's a lot of lead in language that's similar to our chapter language that's already in the public art master plan. So it was so similar to what we've been doing with the chapters, I would say like plagiarizing is totally fine. I have no idea. I will steal from others. Well, I mean, some staff of the city probably wrote it, right? This was a contract, they contracted that out and I believe it was a group out of like Wisconsin who had done a number of these across the country and we were kind of surprised and so impressed by their background that the city hired them even though they were so far away they came in for a couple of meetings and then did a lot of stuff remotely to develop the plan. They were very, very good. That's great. Yeah, and yeah, they had done a survey and they'd done like public engagement. So like, yeah, so we could feel pretty good about putting in some of the chapter type content that they used. I recall that one thing that stood out to me is there was a lot of reference to Montpelier as being an old city that's not scared of the new or something like that. It was like, you know, if we wanna say that in the city plan, I'm happy with that. Well, I'm not sure every- It is one of the nice things about having somebody come in from so far away who knows absolutely nothing about the city to kind of walk in and take a tour and just start to see things. They see things with a completely fresh set of eyes. So it's interesting to kind of see some of their assessments that came out as opposed to our usual crop of people who work with us or who live in the state of Vermont because they already kind of have a preconceived notion of what Montpelier is. Having people come in from Wisconsin who've never been to the Northeast to kind of look and say, this is what we see when we come here. It was kind of interesting. Yeah, I liked it. I liked where they were coming from and the Public Arts Commission must have liked it too because they went with it. Okay, well, we can move on if everyone's happy with Mike working with what he has here. Okay, sounds good. I'm gonna move on on the agenda then, which is to consider the minutes from July 11th. It's the last thing we have. So if everyone can pull those up real quick and I'll take a motion when you're ready. Okay, I move approval of the minutes from July 10th. Is that when they work? July 11th, close. July 11th, okay. Okay, so we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Okay, looks like there's four of us left. Do we, okay, those in favor of approving the minutes say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. July 11 minutes approved. And what's the only thing left is adjournment unless anyone has anything else for next meeting. Actually, as a thing to wrap up just real quick, Mike, you said you would have for us next time you would have an updated version of the arts and culture. Do you think you will have any of the other chapters for the next meeting? I probably won't promise to have those. I'm getting in a lot better place right now. Unfortunately, some of the zoning stuff is really dragging into a bunch of my time. I'd mentioned the appeals that we have two appeals in court right now that are in the environmental court. And I also have another one that another decision that was appealed to go to the DRB. So as what happens with appeals to the DRB of administrator decisions is the administrator, the zoning administrator hands them off to me and I become the neutral third party to go through and evaluate whether or not the zoning administrator made an error and present the case to the DRB to usually defend the zoning administrator. And that's probably what I'll be doing in this case, but I'll have to write up a staff report and do that. So unfortunately, getting a lot of stuff that's kind of dragging a little bit of stuff that's in the way of being able to get a bunch in. But I'm glad I'm gonna get to meet with SE Group so we can start getting them to work. I think that'll start to be some good opportunities where we can start to have some conversations about having them come in and meet with you guys. I don't expect that they'll be ready for the next meeting. I'll ask them if they wanna have a kickoff meeting just to talk about process of what they're gonna do and how they're gonna run things. So maybe that will be on the agenda, but I would expect them maybe the second meeting in August, maybe the first meeting in September where they'll start to sit down and say, okay, we're building the template. Basically how the RFP was laid out is don't build the template. So we know we're gonna have 10 to 12 chapters. So they're gonna build one chapter out. And then they're gonna, so usually historically, typically we've grabbed the historic resources because it's a straightforward chapter, not a lot of complication. So we'll probably grab the historic resources again, lay that out to go and say, this is what a typical storyboard page for one chapter is gonna look like. We can all go through and review it and say, that's good, or change this, change that, this is what we want. Then we can start giving them the rest of the chapters, all the stuff that we've been working on, housing, transportation, energy, economic development, we'll have the arts chapter and then hopefully as I've been, because I have been working on the community services, I just don't have the approved version, they have final approved from cemeteries. We have drafts to the cemetery commission, drafts to the recreation committee and drafts to the senior center advisory committee. So I'm waiting to get finals on those and then we'll have community services ready. So we've got a bunch of chapters that we can start moving forward, getting them put into the thing. And once they're in the online version, then we can start going to the public. So we can kind of get a couple of things going all at the same time. We can start getting public input on the first sets of chapters once they're put online while we're working on the rest of them. And hopefully throughout the winter, we can hammer these out. But if I can stop getting permits appealed to court. So, okay, that all sounds great. The longer term plan sounds perfect. So for next time, I might try to get throw something together for the solar shading stuff because it's something that we're gonna need to do. We need to just to make use of our meeting time a little bit. I have some guilt about having such short summer meetings. Maybe I shouldn't have guilt. Maybe people getting to more of their summer to the choice, not so bad. Well, a lot of, don't feel bad. I mean, the city council goes to one meeting a month during the summer. There's a number of committees that will skip meetings during the summer. So we shouldn't feel guilty if our meetings are shorter or a little bit, you know, or if you were to vote to skip them all together. But it would. Yeah, I don't feel too terrible. It's low key, low key guilt. But like I was saying, I might try to get something put together to get the solar shading moving. Just giving people a heads up about that. All right. Well, do we have a motion to adjourn? I move to adjourn. Motion from Ariane. Do you have a second? I second. Okay, those in favor of adjourn will say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. See you guys later.