 Aisha was 9, Aisha was 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9. You see the unbalanced scale here, right? Are you saying Aisha was making things up? David Wood, you're not a Muslim scholar. Am I being unreasonable for asking for one reference? I'm not going to allow an Islamophobe to impede on my judgment. Source after source after source that I quoted to you. So for instance, Sunan Anasai 3380, it was narrated that Aisha said, the Messenger of Allah married me when I was 6 and consummated the marriage with me when I was 9 and I used to play with dolls. You keep attributing this to me and I'm the one quoting Aisha. Now my question for you is, if Aisha was this wrong, why do you keep saying she's a great scholar? If I can't trust her on when Muhammad had intercourse with her and oh, I can't tell the difference between when I'm 19 and when I'm 9, why should we believe her about anything? You see what he's done again. So David Wood, what he's done again, he's gone to right back to the same- To Aisha. To the same issue, right? To Aisha. So right back to, please don't interrupt me, but going right back to the same issue. Now, trying to disqualify the fact that what I've, the reason I put these books up here is to demonstrate that they all say a different age. All these modern books. These, look, they all say a different age. They've studied the issue. They've written books on the issue. Where did Aisha say a different age? Where did Aisha say a different age? They all say a different age based on what they have studied of the hadith. Where did any of Muhammad's companions give a different age? David Wood, you're not a Muslim scholar. Right, that's why I'm quoting Muslim scholars. Ibn Kaffir and Jalalayn. But in this book, by example, it says that she was 11 years old. So when a reasonable person gets this book and gets another book and another book and another book and they all have different ages. What's the reference? What's the reference? They're giving sources. What's the reference in that book? Read the books. Sahih al-Bukhari. Where? You can just go. Sahih al-Bukhari. Sahih al-Bukhari. So you agree in Sahih al-Bukhari? Just to be sure that we get to hear each other. Okay, great. Are you going to give you the 30 seconds? Okay, great. We're going to take back to David. So, Sahih al-Bukhari. So you do agree that the Prophet peace be upon him based on the Sahih collection that he made the night journey to Jerusalem and to paradise and that he split the moon. Do you believe that? No. Okay, why? I believe that he claimed it and I believe that's what they believed and that's why they recorded it. It doesn't mean. But the Sahih. But the Sahih. No, no, are the Sahih or not? Look, you're. But no, but let's see. Aisha says I'm nine years old and you're saying well if I believe Aisha saying that she was nine years old when Muhammad had sex with her, therefore I had to believe that Muhammad took a night journey to Jerusalem. It doesn't work like that. Okay, so. Aisha says she was nine. Aisha says she was nine. That doesn't believe, that doesn't mean I have to believe every ridiculous story that Muhammad came up with. Okay, so again, do you see the unbalanced scale here, right? So in the same Sahih collection, in the same Sahih collection, he wants to reject anything good about the prophet of Islam. No, no, I believe those stories, I believe those stories go back, but I believe Muhammad was a liar in making things up. Okay, so there we go. Are you saying, she was making things up? Aisha made up for Aisha. No, I'm not saying anything. She's a liar. She's a great scholar. Why would Muhammad marry her? So what I'm saying is that when I read on this issue, I'm reading Muslim and non-Muslim scholars and historians on the issue. And the reason they're drawing their conclusions is because based on what they have seen and based on what this person says and that person says and breaking down the Hadith mathematically what the historical facts are on the issue, they've come to different conclusions, which tells anyone with a reasonable mind that there's reasonable doubt about being able to, if we were in a literal court, based on this information, we couldn't convict someone today. But in modern times, he wants to convict the prophet of something that he wasn't there about. He doesn't really know. Is it true, am I being unreasonable for asking for one reference? I mean, I gave like 20. Am I unreasonable for asking for one? If Aisha says over and over and over again, and 11 of the Tabein report this directly from Aisha herself and other companions of Muhammad state it from their own observations that she was nine, if this is what we have saying that Aisha was nine, and you're saying, well, maybe she was 11, maybe she was 13, maybe she was 18, maybe she was 19. Is it too much to say, give me one single reference in anything remotely resembling an authentic Muslim source to show that? Instead it's no, we'll go to the Encyclopedia. We know that people disagree today. Why? Muslims, scholars and apologists keep circulating these articles filled with lies. And then someone like Gary Wills will come along and say, oh, Muslims don't know when Muslims don't know how old she was. There must be all this disagreement. No, zero disagreement. So for the second time, he's proved my case. He just said that Muslim scholars, they go in circles and they say this, he's caught on the liars, but they have legitimate reasons for what they say. Not references, apparently. Sure, I've already mentioned what these people say in these articles and in these books. I've already mentioned that. Now, again, he's proving my case for me because he's now admitting again for the second time that the Muslims have disagreement. Now he wants to latch on to one side and not consider the other side because it doesn't fit his agenda. And so a logical person has to look at all this information and you cannot pick up 10 books and read through 10 books and get 10 different ages and say, this one's the one I'm gonna go with. You can't do that. You cannot do that. I mean, not if you're a sincere person, unbiased, with no reason to draw a illogical conclusion, obviously, it'd be illogical to say, all right, I've looked at these 10 books and I'm just gonna, any, many, many more I'm gonna go with that one. Now, the Hadiths that he's talking about, they were from what the scholars state that they were narrated by someone by the name of Hashem and when he migrated from Medina to Iraq. That's a lie. I'm telling you what this is. That's a lie. And by the way, you're calling me a liar. You're calling the scholars a lie. I'm saying you read an article. No, but you heard I read the article, right? Yeah, and I quoted and I showed this comes from 1111different.head and multiple other companions. No, no, no, so the Muslim scholars, the Muslim scholars are stating, okay, that now I'm not arguing, keep in mind, I'm not arguing for one side or the other. Y'all don't know what I actually believe on the issue because the point is, I don't know what to believe on the issue. That's what I believe. Who is this? Hold on. I don't know what to believe on the issue because there's conflicting evidence, okay? And I'm not gonna allow any Muslim to impede on my judgment. I'm not gonna allow an Islamophobe to impede on my judgment. A person who approaches this unbiasedly has to say, I don't know what to believe because obviously none of these people are talking about it, no historian, no scholar, Muslim or non-Muslim alike, people from encyclopedia, Hazelton, you know, none of these people were there. Matter of fact, the people narrating it in the same Hadith that he's talking about, they weren't there. They're saying what someone else said, Hashem is narrating from what his father told him. And again, let me make the point about the fact, hold on, I wanna make the point about, okay. No more than like 20, yeah, I don't need it. Okay, so the point being is that, Hashem is known historically to have had a compromised memory. Now this is what I've read in multiple works. He had a compromised memory, he was in his 70s and that caused the Hadith to be in question. On top of that, it only came from Iraqi sources. It only came from Iraqi sources and the scholars have a problem with that because they say that it doesn't make sense, okay, go ahead. Yeah, who was Hashem, do you know? Do you know who Hashem was? Yeah, he was, tell us all about it. Who was he? Yeah, I know, he's the one that narrated those Hadiths. Yeah, but who was he? Yeah, go ahead. You don't know. Yeah, I do know. Who was he? I mean, pretty easy. He was the grandson of someone, right. He was the son of Zubair. Okay, and the grandson of who? He was that, what does that matter? Abu Bakr. Okay, okay. Great, but what does that matter? Zubair is Aisha's nephew, Hashem is his son. He gets the Hadiths from his father, who is Aisha's nephew, who got everything from Aisha. And that's just one sort, that's just one of 11. That's just one of 11 sources who recorded it from Aisha. So you've got Aisha. Guys, if you have 11 different people all reporting the same story from Aisha and it's confirmed by multiple companions of Muhammad, if you don't know that, if you don't know that, if you can't say, if that's in dispute, if you say I've got 11 people all reporting the same exact story from the same exact girl, and that's just no evidence because you've got the encyclopedia, New World Encyclopedia or something on your side, then fine, don't tell me we know anything about these people. Don't tell me we know anything. If I can't trust 11 witnesses plus a bunch of companions, we can't trust them. Don't tell me we know anything about your prophet. All we conclude is that there was mass lying and your sources are completely unreliable. I'm fine with that. But if we actually take your sources remotely seriously, Aisha was nine, Aisha was nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine. And we get down to the modern period. Muslims are embarrassed because this is a source of great criticism. Some make things up and notice that's what he's quoting. He's quoting someone who says this all comes from one source, the sham. It's a total lie. Someone made that up, put it in an article. It's a lie. It's been exposed repeatedly. It's been exposed for years. Okay, all right. He's repeating it. You didn't even know who the sham was. So someone made it up and put it in, they're making up a lies and put it in an article. Yes, that's a total lie. So everything about Islam, the Muslims are all lying and they're all making up the manufacturing. This is the amazing thing. I believe the sources more than you do. Right, so they're all men. They have more confidence. They're all manufacturing. I have more respect for Aisha and Muhammad's companions and Ibn, I have more respect for Aisha and Muhammad's companions and Ibn Kathir and Islam's greatest scholars. I have more respect for them than Muslim apologists. So he's just going on and on and on. You bump in your lip like that, it's not doing anything. Yeah, okay, so thank you. And so, again, I mentioned an article by example. I mentioned an article, I didn't write the article, published February 2019 by Sheikh Dr. Ridwan Ibn Salim. I'm gonna read it again. Although widely cited Hadid states that Aisha was nine years old when the marriage to the Prophet was consummated. This is contradicted by strong historical evidence reports of Aisha's age and works such as, authority such as Nawawi, Askelani, Ibn Kathir, all placed in her late teens at the time the marriage was consummated. Just give me one of those. Hold on, you remember me saying that? Okay, so also, do you remember me saying that an article posted last month, December 28th, 2021 by Faisal Rahman, what does he say? As all biographers of the Prophet agree that he consummated his marriage with Aisha at the year second Hydra, it can be conclusively said that she was 19 at the time and not nine as alleged in the aforementioned Hadid. So when you look at this evidence, now he wants to insist because he's been saying this lie over and over and over again for all this time, but the fact of the matter, he wants to demonize anything that Muslims say that they're lying, they're manufacturing these different stories and these different theories to try to make up for this and make up for that. No, the Muslims debate with themselves on the matter. And I'll repeat it again, listen closely, the Muslims debate with themselves on the matter, okay? And if they're debating with themselves on the matter, that means that there's no agreement on the issue. And what are we supposed to do with that? I'm not the scholar, right? I'm not the Hadid scholar. I'm not the one that came up with those issues or those studies. Other Muslims have done that and they've come to different conclusions. You know who the greatest Hadid scholar of all time is? Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani. He's the greatest Hadid scholar of all time. And guess what? I just mentioned that he mentions that Asqalani has something that competes with that issue. What's the reference? Because you know what Asqalani actually said? Asqalani's the one who said since she was still playing with dolls, she hadn't reached puberty when the marriage was consented. I'm gonna, let me repeat this one sentence. Let me repeat one sentence. Yeah, you're gonna repeat what someone else said, give us a reference. No, no, that's fine. But who does he mention? I actually quoted Asqalani. He mentions Nawawi, he mentions Asqalani. And doesn't give us single reference. Hey, look, I didn't do his study. And he's... I didn't do his study. He said Ibn Kathir. Ibn Kathir, the Muslim scholar who says there is no one who disputes Muhammad consummating the marriage with Aisha when she was nine years old. Let me ask you a question. I can give you the page number and the volume number. Let me ask you a question, David. Ibn Kathir, who indisputably says this, the same Ibn Kathir who says that I mean, surah 65 verse four means is referring to prepubescent girls. The same Ibn Kathir, there's a mystery reference. All right, let me ask you a question, David. There's all mystery references in Nawawi and Al-Asqalani and Ibn Kathir. We can't give any actual reference, but they're there, trust us. So in my opening statement, I said I'm not here to debate this hadith versus that hadith, what that scholar says versus that scholar. I wanna ask you a question, David. Be honest, be honest. Do the Muslims disagree on the matter? Muslims today, yes. Muslims back then, no. Okay, so the Muslims today... So you're saying... Hold on, hold on. He's not giving you the right information. He's not giving you the right information. The Muslims today, they also mentioned that the Muslims back then, I'm not talking about the Sahaba, I'm not talking about the companions of the prophet. It wasn't an issue then, but scholars after that, they did indeed disagree and he's proved my case for the third time. There's reason to doubt what he's saying because the Muslims themselves, they disagree on the matter.