 Welcome to Toffy TV, we've been looking back at last season and then looking back, we're looking forward now. That was slick wasn't it? That's a good old seven times. We are looking at who should stay, who should go and maybe who should go on loan for next season. So it's a look back as we look forward. So let's get straight into it, Jordan Pickford. I think he's going to stay isn't he? So I think he'll be staying. Seamus Coleman. Comfortable stay. John Joe Kenny. Now played quite a few games but really didn't get a look in at the end of the season with Seamus Coleman. So do you look at that and say might be worth sending him on loan for a year or do you say no you're the back-up right back. This is your job and we're going to keep you there and you might play some games here or there and obviously you'll play games if Seamus Coleman is injured. Is he enough along his development to be that back-up player do you think? I think he's good enough as a back-up definitely. I think he'll get better the more games he plays. It's a tough one in terms of his development though because do we send him on a short term loan to say January or do we have a break close in January for him out on for a year. It happens if Seamus gets injured in September and then we're going he's going to play right back here and having to accommodate someone out there 23s who hasn't played really or putting a midfield player at right back. So I don't think you can always let people go out the door without obviously the new manager might bring three or four or five players in and one of them might be utility midfield player or whatever. I don't think we can go and do that role if we need it. Tom Davis could probably quite comfortably go and play that role. So it would be one of them but I think having we learned this season from the light and blinds thing that you need the back-up in the club it needs to be there. I think if a new manager comes in and he establishes that obviously John Joe can use the back-up then that's fine. I think training every day with top-class players will make you better. He's got the experience of last year. I worry sometimes that once a player has a taste of playing at the tie level and we've seen this in other players by the way as well is that once you've had that taste of playing in the Premier League in the high level it almost accelerates. Galloway is a good one for this. He had a taste of the Premier League. He played. He looked good and then it was like we'll send him on loan and then suddenly he was with the manager. He wasn't really bothered with him and then he went to Sunderland and his development just fallen away because he had the highs of playing in that Premier League and being in a Premier League club and being with Evan. That just seems to have been dismantled at Sunderland whereas I think maybe we kept them around and said you want to do your son. You'll be in and around the squad and you'll get opportunities when they arise. I think you get more out of that than Galloway being playing last season, wouldn't you? Exactly. I think the other thing which I was overlooking I suppose with Kenny is that Mason Holgate can play right back and do that job. It's not as good. I don't like that though. No but what I'm thinking of is if you're talking about development so if we're looking at John Joe Kenny and going right we think you would benefit from going to Derby County for argumentary till January trying to get in there team and we'll look at it again in January. He might extend the loan, we might bring you back because Seamus Coleman's the number one and Seamus Coleman if he's fit he's playing in that the way it is. And if Seamus gets a calf injury and is out for a week or two weeks we'll use Mason there. But isn't John Joe Kenny more like Seamus Coleman than Mason Holgate is? This is why I don't like that. No but that's the juggling thing. It's do we pushing further along by going play 20 games in the first half of the season in a championship. But what if he doesn't play 20 games? No but this is what I'm saying. I'm talking about the development of a player and this is one of the most difficult things. See then with Mason Holgate is I think now you should be looking at Mason Holgate and saying you're a centre back, a Premier League centre back. You've done a little bit of right back but we see you as a centre back. No so if there's a vision at the club, if a new manager brings a vision for me again players should be dropped in and dropped out of a similar kind of players. Mason Holgate's not Seamus Coleman and never will be like Seamus Coleman but John Joe Kenny's a little bit like him. He likes to get forward more than he likes defending. He likes to put the ball in the box. He's a similar kind of player. I'm not African. I'm just saying that's what the crux of the problem is. It's do we let him go and play in front of 25,000 fans every week. This is where we went wrong with Galloway. This is where we went wrong with Garbott. We had a back up for Baines who was like an identity of Baines. He should have been the back up left back at the time and he should have been getting played when Baines wasn't available for whatever reason. Instead we sent him out on loan, broke his leg, never the same and then you've got all these, you've got players who aren't left backs, playing left back. You don't play like anything like Baines but you had a back up there who you looked after could have come in for a bit because it keeps the team ticking over. This is where the identity of the side will come in, isn't it? Manatee comes in and goes, this is how we play. He'll want players who play exactly the same so that when you drop one in and drop one out, the continuity isn't messed up. That's what will be key. It's like David Moyes is full backs before anyone else was using them the way we did. He's full backs with the key elements of our side so if you take James Coleman out and put Mason Holgate there, he's never going to do the job that Coleman's doing so your team already becomes unbalanced which is what happened to us last season on the left hand side. John Joggen, he was flying up and down the right wing or trying to book him out to you and every time he got it he was saying and facing back to his own goal and passing it to him. So we had nothing. We were playing the truth there to the pitch and it just become very easy for teams to mark us. So that'll be the crux. It'll be do we keep my hand and just saying this is how we play and you're going to get league cup games and you'd the back up, you'd the number two or do we say we've got cover if need be. You go out and play every week if you can. I don't know. I just don't think that low mark, I think the low mark should be the bridge between the 23 years and the first team and I just think that once you've been, I think if a player's been in the first team and then the following year goes on loan somewhere, I think you're basically just saying you're not good enough for us. I don't think you're ever going to be good enough then. I don't think you're ever going to be good enough if that happens. So like Vines obviously. Still Jack Elche? She had Keep Jacks. I don't think next season the days are from start. We said this last year. I think he's the best defender at the moment. He's the most reliable defender. I think as we move forward again depending on the type of man that comes in and what he wants them to do with the ball. Get a ball playing. The new manager might want a ball playing to him. He might want Mason Holgate and Michael Keane as the two centre backs and go you just defend because you're not great with the ball. Give it to Mason Holgate. He's the one who'll bring the ball off. To me it's still lacking experience. But then again we've been linked with Alfie Mawson who's only in his second season in the Premier League. He's as good a defender as he is. He's a young lad. But I would keep Jack Elche to the run for those reasons. Whether it's an emergency leak up maybe against the law. It's not like he's being embarrassed in the Premier League because he's certainly not. But obviously he's 36 now. But I would definitely keep him around a place because we made this mistake letting him. Sometimes you need leaders. And you need people to bridge it when new players come in to come with us and that kind of thing. I'd definitely 100% keep him because I just think that you're right. There's not enough stability at the back to say oh you can go now because everything's all right. So I think there definitely has to be some kind of stability. You're right. He's finished the season as a best centre back. You can't go all nice one mate. We'll take it from here. Doesn't work. Going back to the goalies because I missed this. Robles is leaving. He's leaving. I mean I'd keep him. I'd like him to stay because I think he's in a... I don't. I wouldn't. But it's about himself. I think 27. It's his own career. I think at 27 I think he deserves a crack somewhere now and I think he's had enough of an apprenticeship now and needs to go and play football. It looks like he's going to get traffic. I think that's right. Stechlenberg. Let him go. Let him go. I'd try and get a younger goalkeeper to work with Pickford and someone who's happy to build himself up. It's interesting though because I think sometimes though I think... I mean we've been like with Golmes from Wafford. So I wouldn't want him. But I think I wouldn't mind like... I mean to be honest Stechlenberg's actually not too bad for a back up goalkeeper. So actually I'm a bit... I might put on the fence about that because do you know what I think about it? The two should be the blue you can get. He's the kind of goalie I'd like his back up. So I'm thinking well why would I want to get rid of him? It's just that I don't know whether he's won or stay because does he see himself... If he's happy to sit on the bench and be the back up. He seems to be happy being the back up everywhere. Let's say like... I think I need like a 30 year old back up goalkeeper who understands the role that he's at. I think... See this is the thing about goalkeepers to see. I think a good goalkeeper back up is also a good coach. I think the goalkeeper spends so much time with each other that the back up is a coach as well. And I think that's why it's always worth having a bit of experience. He's got enough problems. It's always good having someone who's been around, who's passed that experience over while they're with each other. So to be honest I think it wouldn't matter if he stayed but if he goes then there's a replacement that would have to be someone almost similar to him. I don't know. I just think you need that little bit of experience as well. I know but it doesn't always work like that. No, no. I think it goes. Or it's who you'd get who's able and stuff like that. You go into Europe and get a European goalkeeper. That's what I'm saying. What's that going to mean? No, that's what I'm saying. I said go. Cos I was thinking he probably wants out. Probably on the put then again. If he's happy to stay and happy to sit on the bench he's done a decent job when he's come in. You can't rely on him. And Pickford's so much better. But that's it. One will always be better. You do need a battle goalkeeper. He's happy to. And there's Hewld's there as well isn't he so. No, but he needs the bridge doesn't he, between Pickford and... I think we do need, the battlekeeper does need to be a little bit of experience then. It wouldn't bother me if he stayed. It wouldn't bother me because Pickford is that kind of role but you never know with football. Can you go on with Tina? He'll be gone for me. I just don't think he's good enough. He's not good enough for right back which is his position. So he's done us a job this season when we needed him to. Adios. We're going to move forward as a football club. You've got to go. For me, like we've done up before, he doesn't have the factors that the other fullbacks have. He's not a carbon copy. He's not a good enough defender in terms of like you want to just... If you haven't got someone, if you haven't got Colin because he's injured and you go throw him in, he's not good enough. He's not a good enough defender. So if he doesn't play like them and he's not a good, he's not a carbon copy but on the other side he's not just like you can throw him in and it can be a stop it and he's just not good enough for me. With a couple of years on his contract, I just get rid of him. So you want him and let him go. He's clearly not good enough. The better plays you can have. This squad needs cutting down anyway. Does. People need to go. Ashley Williams. He went apparently for me. He's gone. He's gone. I don't think he wants to be here anyway. I think in his first season he was okay. He did the job. Last season I was advocating him going back to Swansea, getting him in the skill-free six and deal because I think that would have been a good way around. I just don't think he's good enough and again he should be him or Jags. Jags is miles more commandant and dependable and it means something to him as well. I think that's really important. The love's not there from him to us or us to him. He worries about his own performance, which means that he worries about his own performance. Jags, when you watch him playing with Keane, he's getting keen to the game as much as himself, which shows a lot more about him as a player than it does. Well, it digs him for each other, doesn't it? Williams digs him for himself or appears to. I don't know if he didn't when he was playing for Wales, which is weird. That shows you everything you need to know about him and let him go. Michael Keane, keep it. A lot of people would say he'd let him go though. I think there's a lot of people out there who would say, do you know what, actually? I don't think he's good enough. I don't think he'll ever be good enough. Can he England side? He's not now. He's not now. Now I know, but I'm saying. Football changes, doesn't he? Yeah, because he's got worse. He's had a... Not a great scene. He's been garbage, bas, let's be honest. He's moved for a bit. No, no, but I'm just saying he's been garbage. Well, that's, listen, that happens in football. He's let everyone down. He's let everyone down, it's all. He moves to his family. And Keane. Keane, I think under a new manager, let's see what he's like. Okay. That's fair enough. That's what I would say. I probably agree with you. People are quick to throw people on. He's crap, he's crap. Some of the... Yeah. I think he's had some good performance this season. All the times he hasn't. There's an opportunity to buy a better centre back. And he has to go because of it. I'd let him go. That's obscene. No, no, I'm just saying. We need three. No, no, but there's an opportunity to bring better in. Will you bring a better one into play along with that? No, there's an opportunity to bring better and it means replacing them then. That's fair enough. That's what I'm saying. That's fair enough. Ffunt marre. Altoddo. I don't think he's good enough in the game. He will be good enough in the game. Again, maybe he'll have a decent World Cup and he has a decent World Cup. Sell him on the back of it. Yeah, most definitely. I just don't think he's good enough. He's not. No. It's not about thinking. He's a decent defender, but not for the Premier League. I think he'd be better for Barcelona or something in Spain. No, it would be because... I think maybe for someone like Billy Ray, he would do very, very well. Well, I just think he'd do all right. I think it's a slower pace at Sutham. Not having to make so many decisions at Sutham as well, I think. Ghana. Yeah, I think again, he's another one who... He needs, I mean he needs. What benefit from players being around them? Better players. What benefit from a coach, actually, a coachman? Yeah, more areas to run into. He simply would. You know, he's been left to... You know, he was underbrem, he got a filly, and then he comes to Cuman, who didn't seem like he coached anyone, he just let them get on with it, and then Aladaisu, whatever he done, was in his filly. So, I think he needs a coach. He would get all of them, because he was magnificent when he was in France, because he had a coach who was very clear in what he wanted them to do, and he's been really good for everyone. He didn't have a great season this season, he was up and down, but he's still, at the moment, the way we played this year, and last year he was key to us, but I still don't think he's at the level he did August to January in his first season. He was incredible. He's man a mat every week. And then, Sniadlen coming and Muddy Dwarters, after he went to African Nations, he'd come back in, and I don't think he's ever got back up to that level. I'll dig his ass, but let's hope he can. Morgan Sniadlen. Shell. Come back all right, put in a few decent performances near the end of the season, but if we're going to challenge higher up, then we need more dynamism in the midfield. If you're not, can't get about the pitch quickly enough, you have to be a brilliant footballer. I, someone like Rooney, who still struggles but Sniadlen isn't a brilliant footballer. He's good at what he does, but I just think, I think the way football's going, and the way we are, we're not strong everywhere else. So, you know what I mean? It'd be probably him or Ghana for me. That's who would have to play in that role and I just think Ghana doesn't work out. I don't still think it's hard, innit? So, you know whatever. No, and I think he's, I think he's looking for a quiet life somewhere. I think we need a box, a box in the field. Cos Ghana can't do it if the other end he can't, but we need someone who's like that decor, who offer to do those bog jobs, that's what we need. Yeah, so there's Morgan Sniadlen out the door. Trom Davies. Keep 100%. Again, not him to buy alone. No, I'm not because... No, cos he can do three different jobs and I feel he will benefit massively from having a coach, two coaches who actually goes, these are the areas you need to be in. And ultimately, he's had 18 months in the Premier League. He ain't going to improve by going on loan somewhere. He's just not going on loan. I've said it before, for the type of midfielder we want, he's the closest thing we've got to wanting someone who goes after the ball and presses it. I think he needs a manager or a coach who'll come in and look after him and give him a role to do. The first thing you need to do with a player is identify the role and then you say to him, well, that's your role, these are the skills you need to do it. And then you sharpen those skills up. At the moment, I just think he's like... He's still pressing from the front. He's playing deeper. We've seen him all over the place and you just think, well, he's doing that. He's got to work on all these different things. And I know he's got to work on basic things as well, but I just think a coach will come in and go... Even if he said to me, there might be times you play right back or something, you know what I mean? Just work on setting parts of your game and trying to get them better and then you'll become a better player because I just think that's what a good coach would do to him. Again, under all advice, I think he was just like used go on and do that job and run round a bit and no one's actually looking after the ancestor, the player. So I think he would benefit from a coach really identifying how to use him. I think that's something that needs to be done. Definitely. Kevin Morales. Go on. I don't even need to think. No, just go. If I had your time at the club, now go. Listen, if you go on loan to a club that you apparently love and want to be there and still can do it and they send you back, then what hope have you got? I think he just needs a change of... I think he needs a wake-up call. He needs a wake-up, he's 30. He's got a few years left and that's it, he's done. I think maybe a change of scenery. Maybe the Premier League is where he needs to stay. You know, someone like Westam might be perfect for that kind of club. No, but... Cos who's going to take him? I don't know who's going to take him. Someone will take him. Or France. Someone will take him. Someone will take him. Or out the door for me. My message... It's so fun this because I like... I think he's got a lot of good attributes and again, I think he's someone who would benefit from a coach actually giving him a role and identifying a role. I think he's... I think what led him down is injuries. He was under my harness. He'd get himself back into the swing of things and then get injured. He got that knee injury under Cuman in pre-season. He'd knighted them out for a season when he would have been playing. I think he would have been Cuman. Would have liked them, I think, the way he is. Obviously this season he wasn't in the thinking so he went out to Middlesbrough and he's been very, very good. He played some games in the first half of the season but he was in for a game, played centre back at Atlanta and stuff. Then he was out and you didn't see him again like with a few other players. But he's been fit since Christmas. Middlesbrough made up with him. They want to buy him. But again... I'd like him to stay because I think he's one of them. The passion is there and he's a good footballer. I don't know if he's quick enough and therefore it's one of them. If you're going to buy bettering, you want to move forward. Is he good enough to get into that? Not seeing enough of him because he's never been able to put a run. But I think without a shadow, without his replaying in there I think he's a very good player. I'd let him go because I think again for the sake of himself and his own four years he's been in there. And his own career. I think he needs to play regularly and get himself back to that platform. Unless the only other thing you say is we'll let you go on loan for a year if you think there's any kind of inkling that might be a player in there. But that'll purely come down to a manager. I'm only saying let him go. Like I said before about robles sometimes you just want the best for the player. It might be to everyone's expectations but they've tried to do the best. You can't say they're the best. They've tried his best, it just doesn't work whether it be injuries or whatever. So to be honest, whatever's best for him at this point if he wants to stay, he might want to stay. He might think the reports have been very good back to heaven, get policies and new managers and have a right go go with it and see where. If he wants to stay and fight for his place you know what, have a go, have a go see what happens. But I don't know. Harter's let him go, but my head says let him go but my heart too. The old boy cut. Towson. Sandro, if I'd let him go I don't think he's hearting it. He's already said he wants to stay and I know that shouldn't be enough but I just don't think he's hearting it. I've seen enough of him to think you wouldn't be a top Premier League player. I don't think he would anyway. Cos just don't think he's hearting it to try and try and be one. I think he'd out. It's disappointing cos he looked like he had something, didn't he? You know when you looked at him and that and I got the goals he scored and then in the UEFA tournament in the summer he thought it looks like a good play to this kid. Looks like a work horse. He's going to do this, he's going to do that. I don't think maybe he just hasn't got the physicality. Maybe he doesn't want to do that work or maybe he's just been damaged so much by being excluded that he just thinks there's no point in me being there nor I don't want to be there because they haven't made me. Not that people have made their time enjoyable but he's just hasn't had a chance. What's the point almost? I think once a player kind of gives up a little bit on that it's difficult to get them to turn the other way, do you know what I mean? But if you go, he's gone back to Spain and okay, it hasn't been great for him at Seville but if he's happy there and ultimately that's what it comes down to if he's happy there and comfortable there and prefers that way of life which some people just do we've seen plenty of players come out of countries and you're expecting big things and you've just had me able to settle and they've got injuries or they just haven't played games and they've gone back home and suddenly it's like it's happened again and you're like, kind of hell but it happens so that I don't come here with the great goals going and I don't come but plenty of people have gone from here plenty of people have come from English people or British people have gone to the continent and just been having me to do it for whatever reason so yeah, I'd cut out losses and let them go and give them a nine to talk to them Adam Olin Luchman Keep 100% Keep and put in the first team Give him a run 100% Hopefully he wants to come back I mean, listen, he's on the contract I know but you know what I mean, mentally I hope he wants to come back and fight and have a go and I think he does but I don't know though I just don't know because I just think that against what plays being damaged I just hope he understands it's a fresh start It's just gone Now I know but he didn't play him a lot of games for Cumin after the initial sort of I've got no worries about him I'm going to give him one or two at the moment Hopefully he won't Dominic Alvin Lewin Stay Good luck Yes Stay, 100% 100% Still buying others like that This is the thing with Dominic Alvin Lewin, you see I've been tempted to get him out on loan Why though? Because Where would he go and improve himself? Because, Jamie Right, because I think Nias needs to stay because Nias is quite happy sitting on the bench and coming on and affecting stuff Right I would like us to get another centre forward You can put the ball in the net So that's a four I'm trying to sit on the bench Honestly, let them 540 Try up by combat I'm just saying that Dom, maybe because I think he needs to sharpen up on his finishing I do But I think he's all round game in terms of being a centre forward He's better than Nias' Of course he rest the back of the net But you need all of it You need all of it That's you I'm just saying I'd be thinking about a loan a short term loan I just don't see the point I don't see the point of it Because all you're doing But what I'm saying and we said this before is you put them on loan All you're doing is it feels like when you put them on loan you're just parking them somewhere else to play games Well you're at to get them games and goals But I don't see the point of that But what's the point in staying if he gets 15 minutes in it in the Premier League? Because you're fighting for your place Nias there's no guarantees in the ass and tossing there's no guarantees for tossing either That's why we need to buy a centre forward The person who will get the least goals out of them three is Dominic Alderlun But you never know But you don't know that At this moment Who scored the most goals last season out of those three players? Nias Sure He got eight Alderlun got six Alderlun got four But he didn't He got six and six assists Well there you go There you go So Dom's had a big influence on not only scoring goals and assists But you're talking about goals and you're talking about Dom's played more Nias played that Dom can play in other positions as well Nias played half a season when you look at the games he was involved in Dom's played the full season including European games Towson coming to Christmas played one mystery and got back in Towson's got five and eleven one and two Dom's got six and about fourth So I'm not saying he's not a good player and I'm not saying he's not going to develop into a good goal scorer What I'm saying to you is me personally Nias is there because he's a fucking nuisance and will score goals Towson's your main man at the minute and I think he should be the main man I think he's a good player I will be looking at going to get them by like personally consulting someone who's in between someone who can be developed someone who's quick and big but definitely in other centre four you can put the ball in the net and then Dom on the call will even comes there and then he has to be a piece of every one of those other three and if he starts developing and putting the ball in the net then you go down and go right will ease over to your man Nias no so maybe it's time to sell your man Nias but at the minute The only way that's going to happen though is if Dom is at everything I just don't again a lad who's played 18 months in the Premier League or two years in the Premier League I think you're putting them on loan now you're just basically parking them somewhere else I just think it's unless it's another Premier League team and unless he plays every single week I just think it's easier and over this that way the easier though isn't it it's easier though for him to develop playing in a team and scoring goals than it is to get 10 minutes especially as a centre forward Tom Davis is different because midfield players can go and play right back play right side of midfield play through the middle play off the striker they've got three or four positions they can occupy and it's all about positional sense when midfield players are getting around the box and getting so your training every day with that finishing becomes a thing when you play games and play more games now if he's only getting if the new manager comes in and goes right gen tawg'sn go goals go I've looked what he's done there we can complement him by saying Adam all the luck when that's right they'll welcome that side or that lasagne or whoever and the link with all of them somebody's fast and direct we can complement him and then we've got new manager who can swap with him or we need another centre forward who can go round the corner and keep the ball and get us goals if that's the situation a new manager might come in and go don't want to call for a loom young up and come and strike it made up with him who man he asked put the ball in the net and now he'll work hard and gen tawg'sn to the goalscorer between them three we're sad that another winger don't need a strike it because of course you might need another forward but if we get another forward personally I think call for a loom and then becomes number four and I don't think unless you're going to play with two up front and then have two strikers on the bench great I don't ever see a situation with three strikers on the bench and with the three strikers on the bench you'd go with seniority unless the call for a loom is amazing in training then he takes the place not fine fine for your place on the bench but if he's not getting any game time then his development will stagnate because he's not playing games and then he doesn't play games for everything then he's looking like luckman like well I want to play football so I need to go out on loan I want a game of football I'm not playing I'm getting ten minutes every three or four games we haven't got your up this season so we can't pad the games off for a league up yet we normally have bad second bleeding and that's all as long as you come down to ultimately what system the new manager plays and how he uses I'm not writing them off because I can't I can't I can't bounce the hand on loan so again I keep my ass just because like I've just said I think he's happy being part of the squad and it's those players you can just get a goal off their ass wherever they're invaluable especially in a team that doesn't exactly rain goals you know what I mean Flassage I keep Flassage again I think another it's another one where you don't really know what he's capable of and as he's ever been putting the evidence team with a role do you know what I mean he's about developing isn't he he's a young boy he's about developing he's about developing a country he's got something to bar him but it's about developing again in a system like it's about Tom Davies what you do what you do well where can we play it how will you fit into this system how will you be used in my system and the other the other thing as well mates is and I think I think you might have said that before if better players become available you're bad this is how you go forward I like Flassage I think he's a good player but if you said to me well it's this lad who's dead fast can be three or four men score goals or Nikola Flassage I go yeah get me him Nikola thanks very much see you later or he might be back to I think he for a year on loan had to split get your football then come back we'll look at you next summer that might be I don't know but what I'm saying is for now today with the squad I would keep them Davie Classen I would keep Davie Classen and what again identify a role for him can he do it a new coach you might be you know what I think I can get you in by this this this if it doesn't work by Christmas put him off the sale get him back on or maybe get him back to I acts on loan and then sell him in the south it's about the system isn't it about the system it suits him and has he got has he got the physical attributes as he willing to step up the lad want to stay so there for new management team coming in might be going this is you need to be building this up you need to be doing this and that's your role and I'm going to replay this system this is the way we play this is my team and this is how I play and I think you can do that job and I'm going to look at you doing that job in these friendlies and seeing if you can do that job and he might come up short and the first few games might start he's got to make a decision by it in fact before the season starts so pre seasons massive season yeah Mason Holgate I don't know why he's at the bottom of the list because he's the venture I've also two players on there I've just remembered they weren't even on there one's Talishai three players the other two cost us 75 million okay well you mean Sigarton and Bellassie and Bellassie they're given to me Mason Holgate Mason Holgate for me I would like to think Mason Holgate will be starting season challenging for one of the positions at centre back at centre back because you'd be happy starting as he's McKean at Holgate centre back if they've got Sheamus and Bains next to them with Pickford after a year I might be in fact in fact if I'm worried about anyone in that back floor it's Keane it really is Keane no I'm not worried about Holgate Holgate I think Holgate I think is an alpha I've spoken about this before I think he's an alpha I think he's an alpha defender I think he's willing to tell other people what he wants and where he wants them and he's got problem is he switches off he's got fighting him he's got desire we've seen him in the barbie he's willing to have a little bit of needle he's willing to he's up for it you're right he switches off he does what young defenders do so does he need I don't think he's like you know when you've got one of those young defenders and they only come around wanting a ride John Terry like John Terry it's already in them some are like well it's a character a little bit and then you know but I think he's got it in them and I just think I think he's got all the attributes to be a top defender because I think he knows how to defend I think he's good with the ball at his feet I think he's got a little bit of pace I think he's got everything required it's whether he's got it up here it's whether he's switched on in games and he sees the whole picture around them because ultimately that's what makes you a good defender is whether you can see what's going to happen before it happens that's what makes that's why defenders as they get older some of them as they get older you think they're done but they're not that's why Jags can still play Premier League football because even if he comes up against someone who is lightning fast Jags knows where to put his body Jags knows where to be Jags can see the game because he's using all his experience okay if he gets one on one with someone and they rip him that's because they get one on one Ashley Williams had that last season where he could see things for some reason he didn't have it this year but he could see things maybe it was the way he approached it maybe he just lacked that little bit of pace himself but it's what top defenders do that you can see the game and it's where the hall gates can get that because I think you have to get that at some point to take over there'll be defenders at the club there'll be like the likes of Pennington if I don't think we'll make it because I think a 23 alright I know he's just signed a new contact and that'll give them a bit of breathing space and maybe that'll send them out on loan for another year there'll be a point where and I know he's only young Morgan Feeney will have to go from see I think Morgan Feeney has actually got something about him already daddy but it's whether he can step that up and he's got the attribute to actually step it up like the physical attribute so he's fast enough all those things and the amazing hall gate is I just think you need to switch on and be switched on all the time and it's what he might need someone alongside him for the next couple of years but Keane's not that man Keane is not that man because Keane needs someone next to him and I just that's the thing see but again coaching but I don't know of coaching this is something you've just said about Dominic Harbourlooing this is the same incident for Hallgate I don't know where the coaching can actually do that I don't know where Keane can do that No I don't know Keane yeah but I don't think for Hallgate coaching can do that I think this is a thing that you have inside you that is the difference between a top defender and a normal defender is just being alive and just understanding where that play is going to go do you know what I mean it is a pure football I think it is but that's where like we were saying well the ship you know about the likes of Marco Silver who when Keane's a Stavis was so on in the bar and he put me in the position walked us to where we need to be and if that's drilled into you like Moise did it to me it drilled into defenders and he got better and better I mean he got better under Moise Lescott was a good defender but he was decent but he was made better by just getting the understanding of what was going on like my veins weren't like that come in couldn't get in he was a good football but he was like knew no Valentin he was keeping on but Lescott was keeping on and you were looking and going is he going to do anything here you know he's come and do cos you could tell he was a very good football and then he just got in and done but it's interesting you say that because I think defenders who play full back can get away with that for a lot longer cos there's less defending and you can it's easy to develop let's not forget James Coleman came in and then he was sent out on loan for a year to Blackpool and helped them get promoted and then was ready to come back in the team it's easier a full backer thing to do that and that's why you see a lot of players starter full back and then gravitate inside we've seen that with stones we've seen that with hall gates as well and then once you get into centre defence you have to be you've got to be at it but a couple of goals he was at full full last season West Bromero trying to step out you know a lot of diggers running behind him that was a poor one Tottenham a Wembley didn't know Cain jumped in a bit the ball went on but he died in trying to win the ball he was probably didn't have to he had to engage and what he should have done was just carry on running and man you were home Lingard just went past him and Cain so there's the odd thing but then there's a lot of other games when he's played really well he was brilliant in the games against Liverpool absolutely brilliant he's a good in a three he doesn't have to be at switch there's attributes there it's just whether you switch it's got everything to be a top you need to get a bit bigger and you need to get a bit broader and kids got everything to be a top centre back but I just think he needs to just you know he was telling that early on in the season he was with getting played with Williams a lot more and Cain was getting played with Jags as I say I'd like him to be challenging for the spot I think he will be just said he's got everything and he's good on the ball and every team nowadays generally needs someone good on the ball at the back James McAfee he's not going to be sold he's not going to be sold because he's not left fit so obviously we have to assess him once he's back from the injury again another one but he was good with him before he went out wasn't he he had that level he seemed to get it it's a few years now since he's been out on the field play Thanks Roberto and that's the thing I can't remember a time when he was on Main Street and we've had Cooman I think we would have finished the season a lot stronger he would have he'd come on against United and snapped them and got into them and he was pressing really good because that's what he does really well but again last season he done that last season under Cooman he was great against Liverpool Arsenal and he got injured against Liverpool and he was out then then he came back in then he was out for months the worst thing is he never really had injuries to that to that injury played every game so I don't know I mean he's not going anywhere anyway but I think you'd have to see how he is Sigurdtson I think next season he'll find himself the main man in that midfield Balasi Janak Balasi I like Balasi I like what he has don't like the fact that he over complicates everything and he frustrates me and I like him I think he wants to do really well for us because I think he knows he's at a big club it wouldn't really bother me if he showed me I would be prepared to cut ties with him because I think Luchman someone likes a heart or even that Lazano who we've been linked quite a lot with players like that I would be prepared to go you know what if Palace won them or someone wants them in London full of might come up and won them whatever then yeah that would be prepared to cut me losses with him but I think if he simplified his game he'd be much better it's not a game he's not gone with you but that's what he should be trying to do because he's making much more effective William Rooney William Rooney for last Shani Tashay we don't even know let the kid go let him go for God's sake William Rooney I suppose is the big one isn't he and again another one I'm really traumatised because I actually think that a good coach with a system could get more out of him I think he could compliment the thing with William Rooney is he needs legs there is no point having him in a team where your midfield isn't capable of getting that on a pitch I think this all comes down to William Rooney and it all comes down to what he wants he's said that he wanted to know what his role was in the team now is that I want to know if I'm going to play every game or does that mean I you know this is the big problem I think that's what I've made last season was he tried to play me in every game and then only played him for an hour but he shouldn't have done that for me what he should have done is said William you're going to play half the games you're going to play 90 minutes in them and you'll be as fresh as you can for those games and we'll play it and you know and that means that I think it was like every game he played he played him in that midfield road in the second half of the season he just looked jaded so if you're starting to play it every game and then you're giving them an hour you're not going to get the best out of them then maybe if you're half the game you're going to play the whole game you're going to get everything out of them also his form dipped when Guilfee went out no definitely when Guilfee went even though they're not supposed to play together on the same side him and Guilfee it definitely dropped off I think when I met by as well by saying about Runeys about it up to him it is up to him because if he comes in and says I want to play every game then I'm sorry I've seen over the weekend players leaving clubs Torres and in the ester and Buford and it was brilliant because of the relationships and I know in the ester and Buford a slightly different but the Torres relationship was sort of the same I know he's been there for a couple of seasons and he's given them a couple of seasons before he left but the relationships sort of the same probably a bit more for Torres obviously but they don't want them now right they don't want them it's not like this Harai of a time and they've basically said to him you're not required anymore so we want this to be as like amical as possible and then it's on your way, go MLS or whatever new castle whoever wants you so they give him a boss end-off and he knew he knew the situation he knew he didn't want them and I just think that if everything don't want them I know wherever you listen to there's different things and obviously we haven't got a manager as we record so it's difficult but that's the it would have been really nice if he'd said listening under the season wing it might be better for all of us if you want to go to America go honestly you'd probably be best and we could have just given him a nice end-off at the end of the season no he wouldn't fit or whatever but thanks and goodbye everyone's happy with that and I just think we've got this wrong so many times we've got it wrong when the likes of Leon Orsman and Hebert and Pena left and whether you like those people or not there was no consideration into the relationship with the fans Tim Howard got one yeah but you know what I mean it's just like I've seen that and I thought if he is going it would be sad because it will just that relationship will feel fractured again because because of the way it's happened but again it comes down to Wayne if he's asking for two again what do you think with Torres he doesn't play every game and he knew his role at the club and he was happy with that and he played in some games and he didn't play in other games and he didn't start the Europa League fan or did he no so come on now so he knew his role we started as he's going to he knows his role in the club and that role was play some games come off the bench in others and when you play you give everything because you'll be fresh and you've got to know how your part of this and we've got to know how your part is so this comes down to the manager coming in and saying right I think you're a fantastic player but you've got to know your limitations and we've got to know your limitations and we've got to know how to get the best out of you and you've got to understand that and I think that as I said I think that's where all the dice went wrong playing them nearly every single game but you know what's the and in a role where it's difficult what's the point where he should have just said Wayne let's play at year and half the games to get the most out of you know them so you're energising and I wanted that Rooney I don't know but that's what I'm saying but you write it up to him we need to sit down with them and go you know the new manager could come in and say I actually the way we play you're not going to get enough game time because it's all high pressure and it's this and it's that so therefore do what's best for you I'm not telling you to go but I'm telling you I can't guarantee you games because of that the manager might say I see a role for you in this team not always but it's bloody and he might be quite happy with that so it will come down to him you know Rooney might say he will tell you what I'll give it to Christmas and see how it's worked out because I know DC want them now but I'm quite sure you know if he said listen I'm interested but I want to see it reminds me of Slaton and I think because Slaton had more to offer in terms of in position but Slaton got the injury and the injury sort of probably dictated a little bit more about where he was going because he had to stay in rehabilitate but Man United gave him another gold this season and it was like you don't quite fit in that's all cut our losses now and everyone was happy with that so it would be he'd lose it if he went now into MLS half way through the season get ready for it he's going to have a month off isn't he can't go any way till the middle of July and then he's got what August September and then the season finishes for them October but then he'd get Christmas off and then he'd come back and have another go full season but what I was saying was he could try it out at everything until Christmas till January family can't go till January when the window opens but that's what I'm saying but he could get to Christmas and have not really been played and be like I'm ready to go and now when he could go have a bit of time off cos they're training but then it's the window isn't it dictated by DC's window what I mean is they might say we want a big start we've got this much money we've got a big start up on our stadium it's not going to be you now with them passing, we're going to get someone else so I suppose that will play his part but as I said this is down to Wayne Rooney to know what he wants and what he doesn't want he just needs to sit down with the name on it if he thinks he's going to play DTA games next season then he should leave it as simple as that let's move on to the loan signings Kearn Dahl again luchw'r hyn yn pleisies and I think he's had well no because I think he's had is he good enough to get in our team at the moment no he's not because he's not good enough to get in the forest team and he doesn't stay in games long enough he's had a really good three quarters season but the last quarter he's dropped off him being out the tier I think he's got loads of talent I don't know whether a different manager could get it out of him or don't now he's got ability there's no question about it can we get a tune out of him I'm not sure I suppose I think so because I think even a short game on again till January because I think he's definitely got something he's got the ability he's got the physique he doesn't work hard enough he's a school yard player at the moment and that's the thing we've seen him around January and he beat Arsenal and he looked brilliant in that game but he just dropped off because he doesn't work hard enough that's why he's simply put out the team he's had a very good season I'm not saying I'm just saying he's had a very good season he can play left back right back and in midfield but he's not a specialist in any of the three I think he's good enough I just don't think he's good enough and I think that is level and I think I wonder what I'd start doing I'd start saying buy back closing to all these players if you sell them I'd give put buy back closing all of them that's what the top clubs do they go away, they settle in they get used to playing footy get comfortable in the surrounding so it's not like oh yeah but I can go back there they fight for it and if they make it you buy them back we should have started that with Liam Walsh Liam Walsh should have had a buy back closing it and I'd do the same for Conley Joe Williams, a barns he had a good season but ultimately they got relegated they got injured later on well they've been injured he hasn't played the last few has he I think I'd be tempted to keep him because he's very highly rated and now he was doing really well at Barnsley man of the maths loads of times get about the pitch let the new man have a look but again depends what's coming in if you're getting a scene that's linked with Van Hinkel you should be at Chelsea he's gone back to Holland and had an unbelievable season he plays through the middle it's quick and scores goals if you're getting them kind of players Joe Williams are getting an evident scene and again it depends if they move out if they move better it's out and snyddling out and then brilliant I'd like to maybe go on another loan but maybe do a Premier League loan it's trying to get them in it's getting them into a Premier League team where they're going to play so if you that's why I was saying like full that's harder now it's much harder now though isn't it because everyone coming up Cardiff have come up but they're all looking to buy now and they stayed up but Joe Williams could get it the others feel sad well maybe a loan to a top end Championship team that's going to be fighting to come up some kind of grant and the Robinson's in interest the money has just been called up for the American squad again for the families that are coming up because obviously they're not in the World Cup they've basically gone for a young squad again and trying to build up part of the Bolton squad that just stayed up and I think that's great that he was part of that I mean it's not great that he's playing for a team where they were a lower team I would be I would probably put him back on loan I don't know whether it would be Bolton or a challenge him to something a bit higher and maybe look for a club that would play him I mean he's got to play him I mean that's one thing he when he went to Bolton he didn't play it first but he thought he was playing to the team it depends what they're looking for if they look at him and say he's a genuine a genuine replacement for Bains in maybe 2 or 3 years because we've seen him first when we watched him he looked great bombs up and down loads of energy again maybe you're just waiting for him to build out a little bit maybe they're thinking well maybe in 2 or 3 years time with games maybe with someone like Bolton we can get him in and maybe that would stop them going after a young player like a Joe Bryan or someone and maybe they wouldn't do that I don't think we need that player now though no but what I'm saying is that maybe a player now would be a little bit more 26-27 and he would come in or Joe Bryan could come in because there's no guarantee of Joe Bryan would you say to Robinson well you know what we haven't got any left backs here come in have a go for a year with like we say John Joe Kenny fight up Bains and be his back up it's how we play but he's a bit of a like for like he's not as good on the ball as Bains obviously but he's in a he's in a like for like 5 years to go for Bains he's an attacking attacking fall back it's pretty season isn't it it's shape pre-season have a look what he's made of play him in the drum games can he do it if he can and the last one is Harry on Ykuroo which obviously it's not in our hands if, according to a journalist over the weekend said because he's played Champions League games and he's been in with a decent level team and the injury might have helped for better and the injury stopped him going to the World Cup ever and can apply for a work permit and there's a chance that it'll be successful if not brush him a munching glab back one of mine well he said he doesn't want to go well he's not going to go back to Andalit he's not happy with that where there's munching glab back one of mine if we can't get him happy with him going to Germany for a year and really having a right good go and getting himself in the Nigeria squad and things like that he looks like he's got the ability and the pace to offer stuff do you think the work permit are a bit do you think he might need another year because of that injury or maybe six months maybe he's not the same player at the minute because he won't be he won't go into tackles because he's a bit worried so obviously he will be so it takes maybe he just needs a break going on and he'll come back pre-season then the challenge is coming so maybe it'll be better for Everton straight if he went on loan again and just got playing every week again I'd probably say till January alone and then look at it so that we've got the option we've got the option nearly if we want it and just maybe get him there I think that's about it isn't it and we've cleared at least one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight out of the squad at least eight out of the squad so you've replaced with three real quality and two good players you've freed up some space and you've improved the squad and then in the ones we've kept let us know your thoughts who would you keep who would you get rid of and that's the most important thing and anything we've discussed any of the loans would you bring them back or would you send them or would you just get rid of some of them any you've disagreed with us let us know is any that we've said after goal that you're like no they deserve a chance Sandro, Bessage, I think they're too spring to mind let us know your thoughts in 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