 Okay anything else I have some questions on 3 3 so I'd like to pull that okay anyone the audience was to pull anything to talk about all right so we have approval of the other items 3.1 all the one 3.1 through 3.8 except 3.3 and 3.7 and 3.1 1.2 yeah I'll second okay all in favor I posed that carries okay 3.1.2 anyone wish to make any comments about that or we just want to vote on it I move approval of 3.1.2 all in favor I and you think all right 3.3 on the warrants yeah my computer's down let's go to 3.7 okay so there just I had a question about the Selma Beach one just it said there was was it the trench and the pavement that failed or the pipe no it's that it's the pavement okay it's that was my question old asphalt but it is our trench so we're responsible for it okay and then the other thing is the motion listed for board action is the incorrect motion so I thought I should bring it out for that yeah thank you very much the motion would be to approve a transfer from OCR in the amount of $45,000 to fund the pavement repair in the Selma Beach I will make that motion I'll second motion second all in favor so I had 3.3 pulled the first one is on page one of that page 38 of 249 most of the way down there's core and main LP a 2-inch octave 3g cubic foot meter I kind of wondered what that was since it's $13,000 I don't know what it is I think that's more than one meter okay those are not normally that expensive I don't think Christine is that for your department or maybe for Shelley I I think it's those are larger meters that measure a lot better down at the lower resolution and so we've been switching out our combo compound meters with these meters and yes so so it's a customer meter then it would be a customer meter not a district facility meter no correct okay all right well that's my answer that question good enough next page 39 again towards the bottom the Maynard Group phone service I wonder why we're getting our phone service from the Maynard Group not AT&T or something so anyone have any idea on that yeah they we do get our phone service through AT&T but phones these days are more like computer systems and so the Maynard Group is our our service for the technical service for the phone system correct okay it's not service right okay got it all right well that's the only two questions I think we can move on from there move approval the warrants right motion and second all in favor aye opposed that carries unanimously oral communication this is time for communications to the board on items not on tonight's agenda good evening Becky Steinbruner resident of Aptos and customer of Pure Source Water Company thank you for the presentation I'm glad I was able to hear the year earlier presentation about your rate structuring and to the end of the importance of having a clear administrative record to be able to charge those rates I again would like to ask how the district was able to justify increasing the water demand offset rate for new service from $18,000 per acre foot to $55,000 per acre foot it I haven't seen like a worksheet of how that price was was arrived at and just last week at the county board of supervisors meeting there was a very angry customer of yours at the board of supervisors talking about how they really need to get on you and pressure you to address this issue that makes it prohibitively expensive for people who want to build a simple ad you so I just want to let you know that's coming and that I also would like to know how that very large price increase was arrived and how you justify it in terms of water demand offsets and the impacts of those new the new pumping on the aquifer second of all I I know that the new County's Department of Public Works director has been to visit you I was happy to see that he attended your supplemental supply committee I think it's got a different name now but I think you will also find him very refreshing to work with I've talked with him a bit and I think he's going to be a very positive influence in our county really moving towards some good solutions over overall and thirdly going to a bit of information that I've not been able to look over thoroughly but through Public Records Act requests I have a lot of questions about this Magnolia tree investment group that I've seen in some of your warrants the district has reimbursed thousands of dollars to for water demand offset but the numbers are not quite matching up in my brief look at the the receipts and I see some staff notes in there that also I think really warrant your closer examination of that whole process with Magnolia tree investment thank you very much anyone else was to address us no one any director comments I wanted to clarify because I was confused at the last meeting when the general manager who's not here to defend himself had stated that there were no grants out there for stormwater retrieval and projects and combined use you know for us to recharge and I asked him about that and he said he meant there were no federal grants because I know that there are state grants and it made it sound like there were none out there so I just wanted to clarify that any other director comments another thing is that Tom and I went and did one of the coffee talk things or the district has set up these things that would go out into the communities and sit there for an hour or two and at various places and have customers and hopefully come and talk to us about various things it was not well attended I'd say but the people I talked to or was valuable just to connect with a few people and have time to really talk about issues and answer all their questions is really was nice so there will be more of those I think once a month once a month kind of a thing I'm running specific ads so it'll list out the days that's good and I think that's it I did want to mention that the current Aqua newsletter has a nice little I was going to bring it tonight but I forgot a nice little one page blurb about stormwater in the south Southern California and they've done a study and they've ranked something like 25 of them you can see cost they mentioned for example it ranges from like $50 an acre foot up to $200,000 an acre foot and often it's the side managed aquifer recharge these are just recharge okay recharge it per se and they mentioned that it tends to scale with with size so the bigger projects have lower cost you do a small project you still have to do anything I already stuff to do everything you have to do but you're getting almost no water out of it so if you want one of these you need to build a big to make it cost effective otherwise it's going to be horrendously expensive but anyway it's in the Aqua newsletter the current one so that's good I'll bring it in next time if anyone hasn't seen it regarding that I wanted to just add a note we talked about this the stormwater water demand offset project we had a proposal we're considering and there was a lot of concern about the 9,000 10,000 per acre foot and that but that what we didn't really mention was that that was over a 10 year to 20 year projected lifespan of the project so it was actually a scale up of over several years so it's actually it's still high but it was lower than the crazy 9,000 foot so you got that after I didn't mention it at the meeting but yeah well and in the whole combined you know not numerous places are being I can't speak today sorry are benefiting from it there's flood you don't have flooding you don't have you're recharging the aquifer you're cleaning up various contaminants and all that adds to the benefit and each one of those beneficiaries would be participating in it and there's a there really is a better chance of getting grant funding through the state for that kind of project so then that lowers the cost oh just was going to mention that there's a in California there's a whole group of water educators that have an organization that they're there in our their touring our facilities and everything today and tomorrow and so Bruce is going to welcome them and I'm going to be there tomorrow morning too to kind of I think it's kind of neat you know they're coming to our district right okay we go on now to the reports board planning calendar yes I'm going to cover this on Ron's behalf since he's gone he did want me to point out a few things in terms of June we do have another board workshop since we are going to take advantage of a fourth Tuesday of the month on June 26 we are scheduled to have a board workshop to talk about delivery models a continuation of the workshop we had on pure water soquel last month and the proposed time is five to eight we're shooting to have the meeting go from five to seven forty five there is there is some material that I put on the dais for each of you it does include a handbook and a small homework assignment so if you can make sure that you bring the book and that piece of paper back that would be great in July just wanted to point out that the board meeting is canceled for July 3rd and then we have another board workshop again a follow up on trying to get a little bit further along the road for delivery models and some project assumptions for the proposed pure water soquel project that feeds into Sanjay and the finance plan and the rate study as well as some of the grant efforts that are underway so there's two dates proposed there is one that we could do this workshop prior to the board meeting four to six or we could do it on July 24th which again is a fourth Friday a fourth Tuesday excuse me so would love to get some input on on on selection of that date I'll go through and maybe just hit all these and if we can go back to that board workshop date on July 19th there is going to be a joint MGA and GSP advisory committee so the mid-county groundwater agency and the groundwater sustainability plan advisory committee are going to come together and meet this is one where staff from the different partner agencies will also be presenting on projects that are underway from each agency and then in August we do have the board meeting is canceled for August 7th and we have one meeting scheduled for August 21st so we come back to the workshop in July does anyone have any problems with either of those dates I will be hopefully teleconferencing in for the regular meeting that will be pretty difficult for me to do the four to six that date and the 24th is fine for me but that's all any other comments you all good with either the other two yeah I'm fine also I do think you know I'm not just trying to push that date but I do think sometimes a couple hours before then another couple hour meeting there's a lot yes everyone can make the second one the 24th I I have a conflict on the 24th I don't know whether I'm needed for that meeting but I thought I'd tell it okay just to work out no decisions I think I have both dates where okay okay we'll we'll shoot for the 24th thank you best okay and that would be at five I'm putting it in my six to eight thirty for that one okay proposed for oh okay okay does that six o'clock work yeah okay at our learning center all right special projects 5.2 yeah I don't have anything to point out specifically but if we've missed anything please let me know and I'll make a note of it any questions or comments anyone in the public all right so we move on 5.3 organization wide abbreviated status update I don't have anything additional to add for conservation customer service field but I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have any questions no thank you okay who's next engineering I had a lot of bullets but I think I'll refrain from speaking too much if unless you have any questions you can read them and I can answer questions any questions of tires we did I should about elaborate we did meet with the state division of drinking water yesterday to discuss any of the changed conditions or requirements for accepting surface water from the city so we're trying to be poised to apply for the permit amendment to be able to accept water this winter and again I'll reiterate that that will be presented to our board here on July 17th the results of that study and then to the city in August yes late August I think 8 to August 27th right okay thank you good news um O and M I just wanted to update on the O'Neill ranch well um congratulations congratulations yes we did successfully lower the packer however it doesn't appear to be limiting the increase in ammonia at this time so hopefully it may level off but right now it's looking like we may have to shut it down in a couple weeks and go to plan C um is there a plan C um plan C would be to low uh seal off the lower screens entirely and try pumping from the upper screens probably the most of the ammonia is coming from the lower screens um some issues are possibly increased iron and manganese hopefully not enough to where it would overwhelm the treatment plant um it would be pumping at a much lower rate um than the whole well so it should probably have similar impacts to nearby um private wells because the flow rate will be less um and we just have to make sure we would get enough production for the existing pump since we have to have a minimum of about two 75 to 300 um so that would be our our our our last option before we went to uh different treatment alternatives is there any idea of why the same sort of thing isn't happening to belts 24 and a main street which are kind of into the same formations and are fairly close I don't have an answer for belts 12 it's potentially because they only operate it for a month or two every year um it took us our well like six months before it even started showing an increasing trend um and then if you have the well offer a long period of time it takes a month it takes a couple months for it to start ramping up so they may not have it yes operated enough for that and as far as the main street well it has a relatively high ammonia level but it's completely stable so we're able to not have to increase our bleach dose at that site so it's just a stable a stable dose so I don't know and I assume there's some looking at ways to filter the ammonia out of the supply we get that be very difficult given the flow volume we're looking at but um there are several alternatives probably the most promising or the the most feasible would be some type of a biological treatment we could convert our existing filter vessels into that so okay yeah we'll keep you posted thank you okay special projects not just point out that we are still on schedule to release the draft EIR at the end of the month and um we are scheduled then to have a public meeting at the end of July and then the 45 day comment period would close in mid august so staff has been coordinating with our EIR consultant on making that that milestone I think Tom already hit on we are very proud that that the California water education committee is here in our area and by day has been working really hard on courting coordinating that and then I think the only third thing I'll add right now is we were asked to do an interview for BC water news it's a daily emails distribution that goes out to about 40 000 readers and so they do this special feature column called 10 minutes with and they wanted to interview us about the efforts that we're doing with the innovative sky tem data the sea addressing seawater intrusion and how the community water plan and the pure water soquel project fits into that okay we look forward to seeing that um finance so we do have a meeting on Monday um in 25th with the water rates advisory committee and Sanchez from Raftalis will be present and we'll be kind of going over some of our questions and and refining that process a little bit um the implementation of our new software system is underway we expect the finance system to probably be implemented in March of next year and it looks like utility billing is going to be April or May of next year and um then we will be making a payment of $500 000 toward our unfunded pension liability this month and I've given you an update on where we stand on our OPEB unfunded liability right now we've got uh 2.4 million in the trust for that so we're about 40 funded which is we're making steady progress any questions oh that's great human resources i'm over here I just wanted to let the board know that we actually do have interviews scheduled tomorrow for a vacancy that we're filling and for those of you who will be participating in the educational forum it'll be a busy morning because we are doing it we are interviews start in the morning so if you see some some nervous faces in the lobby feel free to greet them and and wish them good luck through that process any other questions on the report i'm happy to answer okay thank you and do you have any general manager comments yeah ron asked me to make sure that you guys were able to view the video that he has a link in his update and it's a three minute video um it's it's very informative if you would mind i i'd like to play it for you as well as the public sure i haven't seen it around the world water is constantly moving from 2002 to 2016 a pair of nasa satellites witnessed massive shifts in the freshwater stored on land related to water management climate change and natural cycles the gravity recovery and climate experiment or grace mission use precise measurements of the motions of two spacecraft in earth's orbit to track the movement of water through the oceans land and atmosphere nasa scientists combined grace data with satellite based observations of precipitation and crop irrigation climate model predictions and other information in order to identify the causes of regional trends in freshwater storage in this visualization blues indicate areas with more stored freshwater than the average and oranges and reds denote areas with less the science team classified the major trends observed by grace as driven by natural variability human activity or climate change for instance the steady decrease in freshwater storage in greenland is caused by the melting of glaciers which drain water into the oceans in the western united states a long drought reduced mountain snowpack and river flows causing heavy reliance on aquifers for crop irrigation and severe depletion of freshwater resources precipitation measurements together with grace data show how natural variations in the weather and unsustainable rates of water use conspired to deplete groundwater in california in southern africa the okavango delta region experienced a huge increase in stored freshwater during the period of the grace mission the science team analyzed precipitation data for the area and found that it was caused by a pronounced increase in rainfall between 2004 and 2012 the region saw about 15 percent more annual rainfall than during the previous 25 years the rain ended a regional drought and replenished water storage in the area in northern saudi arabia grace detected a dramatic decrease in freshwater stored in aquifers images taken by nasa's landsat program show a rapid increase in irrigated cropland supported by water pumped from those aquifers most of that water is non-renewable on human timescales but in 2014 the saudi government ended a domestic wheat farming program and grace data suggests that aquifer levels may be stabilizing in northwest china grace revealed a rapid decrease in freshwater storage without an obvious cause scientists knew that mountain glaciers were melting but the meltwater did not leave the region so they looked for another explanation as it turns out much of the region's surface water is redirected to agricultural areas and the desert to the south where it evaporates leaving the region with a net loss of water the original grace satellites stopped operating in 2017 but nasa and the german research center for geosciences are partnering to launch a new satellite pair grace follow on in late spring 2018 to continue providing data about freshwater trends around the world anything else uh no not from the general manager's report okay any public comments on this report okay seeing none let's move on to um let's see public outreach committee report i can support um a board if they wanted to kind of give an overview or i can provide it oh i just wanted to mention um this is this is the last meeting of the that del Gardner the public outreach uh community member who's going to participate that this is their last day that last meeting so we had really uh went went around the table to thank her for her service on the committee and she actually wants to stay more involved so she invited us to color but she didn't apply to be on it again no she's going to italy anyway i think um we discussed the draft eir release in the open house but i think that's going to be discussed another time so yeah we went over um the schedule for the public meeting for the draft eir and we also talked a little bit about the upcoming water wise academy that the district is putting on this year um that'll be a three part series of meetings where we'll be inviting um people who are customers of the district to participate in a kind of a learning and um outreach in terms of understanding our system our water shortage issues touring some of the facilities and and hopefully uh being better able to answer questions when they're out with with their their common groups in the community any questions board our public the move is to five four the five five the water resources committee i'll just mention that yeah the new public works director matt machado as well as uh kent edler who's uh also in charge of the sanitation district came to that meeting and it was nice to meet them face to face and share with them the different capital improvement projects that we have planned um and then we also discussed a little bit about the applications for this committee any questions district council a couple of items um the coal hearing has been continued to december to june 29th the judge had some questions particularly about the the issue of whether the rates are determined at the date they're adopted or whether you can look at facts that happened after specifically looking at the fact that the chrome six plant was not in fact constructed as anticipated at the time of the rates adoption so this is one of the pending arguments the other the other the supreme court still hasn't decided the great oak's case and the last thing that i wanted to report out was that the county council and i have been able to resolve the pending claim with respect to wdo charges at the farm county's going to pay the 65 000 dollars it's owed and agreed to the terms that we'd proposed about four months ago well done thank you so hopefully we'll get that resolved actually the bill was 270 more than that but after shelly pointed that out to me after i had already reached an agreement i told her i'd toss that in if it was a big deal just charge it off to a bad debt okay um we next move to consider conditional and unconditional will serve letters there are two any questions on these five one okay the ad you in question on the first one uh attached is it not that i'm aware of the meters that's correct oh i should the latest version of sb 831 which is the revision to the adu bill actually has not changed anything um inclusionary units are still prohibited detached units you can put in connection fees everything it could require meters etc as long as it's proportional okay hasn't been adopted yet but that's the latest two versions have had that provision any questions on these will will serve public comments becky steinbruner is an aptos and um again i just want to urge the board to uh stop accepting new service connections and um until you resolve the supply storage issue thank you since both of these have met the criteria for the current wdo program i will move approval we have a motion and a second all in favor i i vote no that passes 6.2 adopt board resolutions relating to grant opportunities yes thank you um before you on this item are three draft resolutions that support the district's efforts for applying for or receiving grants related to the pure water soak health project the first resolution is 18-12 this is a required resolution as we have been awarded the prop one planning grant for the amount of two million dollars they do require a resolution that we can enter into a funding agreement as well as authorize a designated representative from the district i do want to point out and ron did um did reach out to me today this is language that was provided to us by the state and i i realized as i read through it i think there was a comment from a board member related to a portion that said to sign um let me point out to it now therefore be it resolved in order that the district is hereby authorized to carry out the project and in terms of the language here in the resolution that project is defined as the the scope of work that's within the grant agreement however based upon you know where we are with the project evaluation that we are still you know going through uh feasibility and not selection of a project yet um i i have reached out i did not hear back from our grant administrator if we can slightly modify that to to reflect what's right above that which talks about project related activities so i would like to suggest that we modify this resolution to say that to carry out project related activities within the grant agreement and we have two others you want to talk about okay thank you as i took notes um the the next two are resolutions 1813 and 1814 to support applications for the prop one implementation grant and the title 16 water smart recycled water program grant both of these just are to express that the district would like to support and enter into submitting a grant application to these two programs they would be included in our grant application if go ahead anything else just that um if the board would like to take actions tonight i just want to remind everybody that it has to be a roll call vote yes three roll call votes any public comment on these items i am jerry paul i live in santa cruz um it struck me that the grant applications didn't uh they weren't heavy on uh river water transfer grant applications and uh i when i speak with board members individually and members of mga for that matter um i find that there's various issues that are unresolved and it seems to me that several of these might be resolvable using grant money like legal issues about uh uh can soquel store water and would they be allowed to send it back to santa cruz uh to actually get some of these unresolved questions off the dime it it might help the situation to apply for grant money and see if uh anything in the way of river water transfers would uh could be um gotten out of your way after all the next well to be lost might might be any time now and uh the faster we get the uh the inner tie built uh for instance and the and the legal issues resolved to to to do that uh the better it it uh you don't have to do just one project the other in fact even laqua for the biggest project of river water transfer is uh three times cheaper in my estimation than pure water soquel and delivers about three times more water thanks thank you anyone else thank you becky steinbrunner resident of aptos i want to uh concur with what mr paul's has just said this grant application work seems very focused on the pure water soquel project and um i understand having been able to attend your special meeting when this was all discussed the reason the possibility to get a grant for this is so good is because you can call it groundwater recharge and the pot of money from prop one for uh recycled water has already been used up so you've got a better chance of getting money because it's groundwater recharge so why not if you really have not chosen your project and i'll say it really looks like you have and um the language in your draft budget looks like you really have chosen pure water soquel this only adds more um to that public perception you're not submitting grants for uh stormwater recharge um the surface water in lew transfers um if if you had a an attractive grant package to do some improvements on the intertie connections with um so Santa Cruz city that might look more appealing to them and would it seem to me offer a somewhat of a better bargaining chip for them with future um agreements to create a regional water storage solution so i concur with what mr pulse had said and ask you to please include these projects in your uh enormous efforts to go for this grant money i'm encouraged hearing mr. Dufour say that his staff has just yesterday talked with department of water resource about uh starting the water transfers this winter i'm very encouraged by that and it sounds like maybe the bench test results are favorable for that without huge treatment but still you don't know what um could lie ahead and it would be good to build in some projects that could take advantage of of those agreements and to enhance them with a pot of money a federal pot of money a state pot of money just as you're doing with the the recycled water project thank you anyone else i'd like to correct that we did not meet with the department of water resources we've met with the state water resources control board division of drinking water anyone else seeing none i'd pull it back anyone wish to make or three motions propose like to have a discussion yeah let's discuss so do i understand properly that were we to apply for these grants and the eir process um or some other process would uh would cause us to to no longer want to pursue the project that there's no penalties yes so so there's not a downside to it no as except for the cost of the preparation yeah okay and then i'd just like to respond that i'm open to you know grant funding on other projects as well and i'm sure the staff is um and to talk about what uh river water transfers um we're not a lead agency on that we need Santa Cruz to be uh with us on that and i'm i'm open to that i if if if they want to uh work with us on the grant i and the staff thinks that it that it's um doable i'd support that yeah i think it really clearly bears repeating match the reason why these so-called water district creek water district is going for these grant proposals is because that what that money is available for these specific projects and if if it were possible to do other grant proposals those would be considered also but this is specifically targeted to a certain kind of project and that is why this district has responded to that and this is a chance to really save our customers a lot of money if we do end up going that way and the downside is just the money we spend and the effort made to try and apply for the grants really that's all we would lose so we do have a monthly call where we come together as a team and go through any any new grant opportunities do they apply what's the level of effort you know what's the cost share what what's the criteria to apply and the scoring of points just to do a cursory level of of whether or not it's something that we want to put our our efforts to i think for these two specifically i would want to point out the title 16 is only for recycled or reclaimed water so you know the other water supply options within the community water plan do not apply and for the prop one groundwater yes it does provide groundwater recharge but specifically this is a grant program that is is really about replenishment in the seawater barrier and it's those recharge wells and the pipelines to convey that water to those that is making us qualify for this grant i think there's another issue here too which is that this these two grants that we're looking at both the federal and the state are implementation grants and that's why one's 20 million dollars and the other is what 50 50 right and there's just no way we could do that we certainly there are two transfer projects there's the we buy up to 300 acre feet of water from the city that they get from the north coast and that's that's kind of almost a done deal now i'd say and there really isn't much implementation in that but the other project we don't i mean i've heard some speculation as to how much the city would want for that project or need for that project and until you have something defined you can't ask for money you can't ask for a hundred million dollars just because you want it you'd have to have a project defined and give them the specs and show them what the cost is going to be and why it's that if we were to ask for any kind of transfer grant right now it would be a feasibility investigation kind of a grant and that's much smaller you know maybe a million dollars or so and again you'd kind of have to show them that you need that money to actually get into it but so you know we're comparing apples and oranges here we can't really go the place that i think somebody would like us to go because they're different one's an apple and one's an orange and you know we can only do what we can with what we've got so well the proposition defines specifically what the funding is for and how much funding is for each item and there you know there's funding for stormwater recapture and recharge that's coming up it's not necessarily there right now but there is funding coming up but there isn't something for just in case we want to do this and we get some money it's like asking for funding to do some maintenance maintenance that you deferred for years and now it's an emergency they won't give you that it's just how they define it so if and when the city who is would be the leader of this project defines exactly what it is and what its cost is and how it's composed and so forth you know then we could talk about doing a grant for that but until that happens you don't know what it is anyway so i would like to move approval of the three resolutions and with the corrections that the addition that melanie added to the first one the first one what what if they won't accept that though i mean i've had issues with the state with resolutions that they didn't accept our changed wording when i got grants at the county and then i had to come back like a month later and have it with like three words changed i would be good with the language that's there if they don't accept it we're just trying to clarify how about that the motion is that if possible to use that wording okay if it's okay with the state otherwise use what they need okay and melanie just to clarify um you're adding uh and carry out the agreement was that no to carry out the project related activities within the grant agreement project related activities within the grant agreement thank you i would check with their attorneys before i'm finalizing it but the motion gives you the flexibility if we thank you okay we have a motion did we get a second i'll second it oh she already did so uh roll call vote um director lather yes director lehu yes director jappy yes director christensen yes and president daniels yes okay we move on to six point three um i think we have to do them all separately so am i correct in that i don't think we do well they can put them all on okay well there's no differences okay thank you okay six point three approved various scopes of work for professional consulting services yes thank you this is another item i'd like to present to the board this is um in summary this is another presentation of the scope of work that we have identified for the pure water soquel project as well as some consultants that work on our overall community water plan um we have you know this is year four of us evaluating the pure water soquel project so we do have quite a few consultants that we've gone through the selection process and have active contracts with and each year right around the time that we approve the budget we come forward with uh fiscal year scopes of work for what we have we have identified as work that we will be carrying out and within the next year so as you know there was an amount of money budgeted for a pure water soquel within the the fiscal year budget that was just approved last year and this in detail then outlines the scope of work and the contracts that we would like to extend going forward as you can see on page two of this memo item or actually page 91 of the packet most of the work still is to support the evaluation of the pure water soquel project in terms of environmental review technical support items related to the prop one planning grant activities we do have about seven scopes of works or many projects within that planning grant that would include some further evaluation and analysis on pipeline and preliminary design work on pipelines the pilot well to drill and test the recharge capacity in the cabrio college drive area we also have some scopes of work in there to help support operational agreements and discussions with the city of santa cruz as we go forward with um you know solidifying secondary effluent that we are receiving from them that would be used as source water for the pure water soquel project we also have efforts related to um funding and grant assistance so as we mentioned in the last board item we do have two consultants that we work primarily and solely focused on funding financial and grant opportunities and then we have some consultants in there that um do technical technical advisement technical studies we do have one for corolla engineers that will be to develop a source control study right now the city of santa cruz's source control program is designed based upon what can they discharge legally out to the monterey bay this is very different in terms of this is source water that would be water that would go into the ground so we do have an effort that we've identified just to ensure you know are there are there sources out there within our community that we may want to set some additional provisions on and so that would be what this study would do um we do have data instincts on board again they provide education and outreach support and advisement uh for all of the water supply options and all the components related to the community water plan and then we have of course um you know brown and caldwell who will be doing most of the much of the technical work related to some of the prop one grant activities uh technical work to support the eir as we close the comment period that will be when we go back to review all the comments uh provide additional information related to technical support or technical work that may need to be done um and so that is included and then of course we have identified really there is a much needed much needed effort to lay out a comprehensive schedule to cost estimates I think that was very apparent in the workshop today with with sanjay and a 20 year finance plan and uh you know the the five year rate study we really want to try and take this project or projects and get them to be defined better so that we can do cost estimates and lay that out so the work that's identified here is what we feel we can comfortably uh do in the next year one to support all of the activities that we have already put in the grant agreement with the state two to keep us on schedule with the board's intent of this project you know coming online in 2022 2023 and then three really to position us that we're not getting too far ahead of where we need to be um with this project since it's still underway with with CEQA we're doing preliminary design this is not this is efforts that's not getting too far ahead before the board does an approval of the project to go into construction and you know really maximizing on the amount of money that we're getting from the grant so you know all of this effort once we um anticipate and enroll in the the grant reimbursement is about um $600,000 and I can answer any other question any board questions so it does the grant specify which of the tasks will be uh supported by the grant versus which won't because there's a this is all a hodgepodge yes um for the grant it gets a little bit more complex or I should say way more complex first of all the prop one grant goes back to November of 2014 and so we have you know that's really great from from the district standpoint because we can count that as match the prop one planning grant is a 50-50 match so we have money that we are using already as match and then we've identified that some of this work that would be solely funded as a grant reimbursable so things specifically related to the environmental review technical support property land support you see the water quality support public outreach that is all part of what the grant will cover funding assistance and applying for grants they do not cover okay anyone the public has any comments on this thank you Becky Steinbrunner is in the Vaptas I'm I'm curious about this contract with Tom Burns the former Santa Cruz County Planning Director and I see on page 127 of the packet I see his proposal so he's already been working with this and I and I've seen payments to him in the warrants in your board packets what I don't understand is why you need him I'd like to have a little bit of discussion about why he would be brought in and exactly how he would be helpful for this and um why it's being targeted for the pure water project only and not also for any issues regarding the say the stormwater recharge for the golf course um other projects that you also claim the district is is doing for groundwater recharge thank you yes Tom um Tom Burns um has a lot of knowledge and experience with land use and sequel uh due to his past uh experience and profession as a planner so we really leverage and utilize that to help support the district we are very small staff we don't have any environmental planners on our staff nor have we thought to add that we we talked about it but we just don't really have that kind of need so on occasion Taj has used um efforts from Tom to help on other issues related to the CIP um we are using him on the pure water soak help project specifically right now we are in a different place again as we've mentioned before with these proposed projects being evaluated we're currently under way with sequa we currently are doing some negotiations and discussions on property sites for a pilot well and so that's really where uh we've had Tom help a lot on again I think as uh director Jaffe asked you know what's what's grant reimbursable or not um the the state really does feel that efforts related to property acquisition land lease options those are very important because those are kind of what make a project work and so they're really complex issues we we work with Bob but on a staff level we just don't have that experience and and even I work with Tom we I brought him Ron and I have met just recently to over a lot of property related issues and his expertise and background has been very helpful okay so any questions or comments about this whole thing um I'd like to make a motion well there any discussion yeah yeah discussion so it's directed towards the staff so we're in this situation again with an EIR where things hinge upon what the EIR um outcome is so is the staff when when um all these are not to exceed is the staff I know there's competing factors here there's the the cost savings if we were to go with the project of being being able to do it sooner rather than later and then there's the the fact that there's a risk involved in that we don't have a certified EIR we don't know what the outcome is going to be there so how is the staff handling that is it is what I want to know it are are you getting to the point we're going to the point we're saying we should we need to do this now because of these reasons and we can put off doing these things until after the EIR outcome is known is that being is that filter being applied that filter is being applied um and as you notice most of the things that are in here are our tasks and activities that can be done concurrently with sequel it's not that sequel is a precursor I will point out um with with these consultants many of them as we come forward each year we we do and not to exceed we monitor and we work with the consultants each month on what the activities are and very rarely if ever do we have to come back because we have we've gone over the budgeted amount in fact you know as you can see on these the only one where we've actually had to come back because we've we've exceeded an original scope was was with the environmental consultant because we went out for two scoping periods we added additional sites that that then required additional level of effort on their part the one thing where we are going ahead on something that would normally have been covered if we had a certified EIR is the pilot well if we had completed the EIR and that was certified we could use that document as the environmental review for for for putting that well in because we do not have that document we need to have ESA do an initial study and a mitigated neg deck this is a study project you research to gather data so that is a smaller level of effort that we have to do right now that we would not have had to have done if we had a certified EIR and staffs determine that waiting for a certified EIR has repercussions that are negative to the point that that that we don't wait I think the pros of of getting the information from the pilot well are higher are greater than the negative of waiting and I think there's another point too that this has multiple uses but if we decided to go with this transfer project they wouldn't be able to give us the water all year long probably they give us a whole chunk in the winter time and we couldn't just drink it all so we'd have to put it in a recharge well so we would already have first of all investigated when in fact have one so that's something we'll have to almost any source we get we're probably going to have to do some recharge so this is a way that we can get started on that because it's multiple uses allows to take some water right that we couldn't take other right right you notice it's just we're not buying the site I think we're we're actually just leasing that's correct until we decide what we're doing so yeah and the information will help support I think the efforts related to the MGA this is a specific region where we don't have a lot of data for we've worked with hydrometrics in terms of of the three pilot location three locations we've identified for the recharge well which would be the best to do a pilot study at they have a lot of information at Monterey they have some information related to Willowbrook because of tannery but this is an area that would provide information that we could share and also does support so part of that effort is the geochem analysis so when Brown and Caldwell did that study for us two years ago we used well cuttings that were like based upon monitoring wells their production wells that were drilled this would be actually looking at the soil there at the recharge well to better understand and characterize look what we would need to do for post treatment I think it'll also help the board when they do consider the EIR and or a project whether the additional sites for the recharge well are needed and whether this one well would be able to sustain the recharge so the capacity to recharge is also a piece of information that would help you when approving a project if that's a piece of information you might need okay I'm waiting for a decision on whether I should abstain on two of these so I'd like to make a motion to for one two well let's say to approve them when you get to it I want to make a motion to follow one two let's see four five seven and eight to approve those you want to do those separately okay I'll second those okay let me just see what we were approving here all but Corolla and Brown and Caldwell if it's one two five there's also Tom Burns got left out there no I said four and five okay one two four one two four five seven and eight seven and eight okay okay been moved in second okay all in favor no no roll call on favor hi hi a lot of money but yes I think that's unanimous all right I'll make a motion for items three and six I will second that three and six all in favor hi and one of them yes and I abstain okay I mean a lot of this is covered by grant funds yeah but it's still it's still a lot of money that we're asking our customers to pay I know but what are the alternatives that's the point we're trying to take care of the long run and and for some of the discussion we've heard before if the city ever decides to do their transfer back and forth thing I mean this is going to look simple in comparison because this is something we're adding on to our existing system it's separate and there you're going into an existing running system increasing the capacity of this and changing that but replacing this giant pipe with that giant pipe so this is this is trivial compared to I think what the city is probably going to end up doing and also I think it's appropriate to recall how much at the same stage of research and development on the D cell project the joint project with Santa Cruz we had a lot more invested in it okay 6.4 the granite way well site improvements as most of you've been following this has been a long process for the for us for staff it's it's our third well of five for the well master plan we already did the polo grounds iron and manganese treatment plant and we did O'Neill and this is the granite way well that is located at the intersection of trout gulch and cathedral drive the well has already been drilled and developed the raw water main that goes across the new aptos village towards the t hopkins treatment plant is already in place and so the last part of the project is to bring electricity there and install the telemetry and final piping to activate that well and so these are the plans to do that build a fence around the site and and we will be calling for bids and bringing them back to you for consideration I just wanted to mention just for people that forget this was replacing another well that went we stopped using in the same area that's right and also it is of course part of the master well master plan is to move pumping further from the ocean so not necessarily increasing pumping but redistributing pumping and the uh for this was done in the will master plan which was years ago that's correct but to me the big the key thing is it's replacing another well yeah but not to use more water maybe to use it more intelligently redistributing pumping it's more inland than one of the wells okay any questions any public questions and comments thank you becky steinbrunner resident of aptos and I go by this site every day and I've been watching it for a long time so um I'm happy to see it moving forward what I still want to know is has the district done the chemical testing for the panel of contaminants as was recommended by now retired Santa Cruz county environmental health hazardous material specialist mr tim filmore that you do with this new water source because nearby and upstream from your well is a contamination site from the um underground storage tank that aptos village developers and their subcontractors removed illegally and the real site of the tank has not been remediated and there is some work in the process trying to get that cleaned up but the in my opinion the plume is still moving toward your well now I know that from public work public records act request material your your district did do some chemical testing but all of the panel of contaminants had to do with the nearby dry cleaning business that used to be there none of the contaminants and I've checked the list of what was tested for and what was found in the aptos village project site and none of the contaminants such as gasoline related organics xylene toluene a whole host of other things related to fuel were not tested for when the district tested for the dry cleaning contaminants I think that your customers want to know that these tests have been done because I think you will see in the near future a lot of talk about the contamination that most likely remains at that site with a high groundwater table and an improperly closed case closure I also in 2015 I appealed the changes to significant changes to the aptos village project and one of those changes was the relocation of this well and at the time I there was no information brought to address my concerns but I do have communication from Mr. Dufour about the structure that was going to be put at the site and I'm not seeing any structure at this site so I want to know is there going to be a structure at the site I see there will be fencing and I would also like to see the landscape plan because of the visibility issues and the aesthetics of that area I also want to know if there is no structure what will the noise levels be and I just finally want to say I don't understand why the well was not moved further inland to the quail run site if your plan is to move things more inland thank you okay any discussion well what is the update on the diesel contamination or potential diesel contamination well we're going to the state when in order to put this well online the state is going to require a full we'll comply with their required water quality testing results what what depth does the well come from well I know the seal is is about 380 feet down so there's a annular seal that would block off any of that and there is not a high water table at least in in the groundwater well I think it's at least 110 feet down for our static water level in the area and I think the well is maybe 650 650 feet deep and they're aquatards between the surface and the and where it's being pumped many layers of clay that's blanked out you can't get down there does the state require you to do any monthly testing and sampling reporting or is it annual once you get a well a new well like Christine addressed that they do require us to do a drinking water source assessment plan which identifies any sources of contaminants in the vicinity and that is done every five years every 10 it's only required one time but it's recommended to be updated every 10 10 years okay and as far as the monitoring requirements for an initial well it depends on what the compound is some compounds it's just every three years things like organics and pesticides are you need to do four quarters but most most are not four quarters the inorganics are just the normal frequency and petrochemicals are organics right or yeah that would be quarterly um yes I think the VOCs would be quarterly for a year and I do believe we already pulled samples from that well we did yeah yeah yeah so you're you're monitoring it on a regular basis they don't move that fast um well we aren't now there's no pump when we did their development we pulled our initial set of our our initial monitoring and there's nothing unusual and when she starts pumping then it's quarterly for a year uh yes thank you for taking care to make sure that water is safe for users that's what she does okay right I will move approval of both motions I'll second roll call please director Lather yes director lehu yes director jaffee yes director christiansen yes and president daniels yes we go to item 6.5 service area three to four in a type project this is another project that is trying to bolster our reliability for our distribution system um we currently have one pipeline serving um la selva beach in kenyon del sol there's a map uh in the board packet that shows where this would be uh it's basically at the end of sumner avenue um going through some uh agricultural land and into los barrancos where we have a distribution distribution mains uh the current pipeline is on san andreas road and the current sources in la selva beach are are not actively being used so we would like to install this to provide a redundancy to those residences and service connections there it the project does include a pressure reducing station because the pressures in in seascape are higher than those in la selva beach and so that is part of it uh it's a unique project we do have to um directionally drill underneath some trees um on the southern end of the project um and it is because it's agricultural actively agricultural land we have to put the pipe in deeper than normal so there's more cover when they do the ripping of the crops how close to the railroad tracks will that be this is not within the railroad right of way this is actually on the parcel adjacent to the railroad and how deep are you directionally um pretty deep it's yeah maybe 40 feet or so and it's hdd so it's just straight it's it's not auger guided or uh it's yes correct it's not horizontally it doesn't deviate horizontally if there's a map in there that shows you the the depth of it yeah well i'd like to make motions one and two i'll second roll call please director leader yes away wait wait wait wait i was ready to vote thank you again for the opportunity to speak i'm still jerry paul um i've been thinking ahead excuse me i didn't hear that i said glad you haven't changed um i've been thinking ahead to the lovely moment when all these water source efforts actually result in the filling up of our aquifers which gives us an opportunity to use that new infrastructure to serve a wider area and or put uh uh uh an injection fence to keep uh sea level rise from uh coming inland um and so it spurs me to ask a what's the capacity of that pipeline that i guess that's the main thing uh and and does it will it have the potential of moving water to such a fence not just for the customers but for these extra purposes i'm moving to the fence or say maybe there's a need in watsonville or our power valley that might arise once our aquifers have been recharged thanks for the question so taking the question well it's a 12 inch pipe and of course simply by putting in we double capacity right there because we now have two 12 inch pipes i don't have any gallons yeah i don't have that off the top of my head but adequate a lot of water can flow through yeah it's making it safer for all the people in that eastern southern part of the district yeah it's it's a one way pipe it wouldn't be able to bring water up from paharo or anything it would be going down that way but probably more than adequate to cover anything that we would have left over in that area to we do not have any real sources other than uh cells and altivo that are not really um not really actively being used at this time um but thank you for the comment but that does bring up a worthwhile comment about what we've been doing i mean we have these four areas we talk about in the district and previously they were kind of semi-independent in fact you'd have to guarantee there was spare wells in each of the regions because you know what if one well were to go out and you'd need to spare in that region but now we've got the whole district pretty much in particular with this we'll now have a whole district interconnected so you know if you need to take water from santa cruz and take it to la silva we'll be able to do that very easily and uh that's kind of good stuff yeah the redistribution of building how to operate the system right the redistribution of pumping helps with that yep in fact we may intensify pumping in the area of recharge and and send it down here to to rest these wells and one of the reasons we're doing this is that both of the wells that used to be an area full la silva are both not used anymore one because of nitrates and the other because of chrome six so it's particularly important to have a spare because if that one path were to go out la silva would have no water at all that's right anyway so much for that now we have a motion and a second roll call please and a roll call vote director laither yes director lehu yes director jaffee yes director christensen yes and president daniel yes and that's for both motion both resolution thank you six six select a point public members i just have a couple points to uh mention on item six point six this is to select and appoint the public members to the three standing committees that the district has currently we have three standing committees um we have the water resource management and infrastructure committee the public out the public outreach committee and then the finance committee these were all created in the spring of 2016 and currently they've had one public member up until this point when we approached 2018 the board had interest in expanding public members and so we launched an application process in the month of april and received 21 applications which i think is a great sentiment to the the community engagement we have on our water issues in fact i think all 21 applied for the water resource and infrastructure committee the 21 applications were vetted by a committee that included staff as well as director jaffee and director christensen and they at at the selection committee we recognize that we had a lot of customers who showed a lot of interest showed a lot of desire and we started to question whether or not we wanted to to keep the number of two public members which was originally identified when we went out in april so on the second page of this staff memo or page 172 of the packet we are proposing four customers for the public outreach committee for customers for the water resource management and infrastructure committee and two for the finance and administrative services committee and i think i was part of the staff and i know director jaffee and christensen are here if you guys have questions i just was impressed with some of the qualifications unbelievable and and some of the knowledge base i mean we're i think we're all going to benefit good stuff i was just gonna say the challenge was because there are so many applicants and especially the water resources management infrastructure committee had a high number of applicants so the problem was how much to expand the committees without making them too unwieldy and i think we came up with a good compromise uh and uh we have some other things to say i know go ahead i was gonna say that part of the the discussion centered on uh the the water academy and perhaps uh because a lot of these people uh some of them have been like john dickinson for example has served on committees before so he's kind of familiar with how the so-called water district works and also with some of our supplemental supply issues but a lot of these people would probably enjoy and benefit from attending the water academy and then we wanted to extend that to the other applicants to the committees also we discussed that that those would be maybe the first two groups to to pilot or the academy before we expanded it outward so anyway that's all i have to say yeah that's um also that uh ryan from finance and maybe less the other she just derived recently from a trip so as ryan uh also had input into the finance and administrative services committee but it yeah overwhelming response very qualified and i'm curious if the other directors think that you know going with four four and two it would would work in my opinion you're done good i i think it'll be fine great that i mean it's kind of like how do you cut some of these people because there's some there's some great qualifications so i think it'll make it yeah and and you know we tried to keep it a diverse try to balance people who you know we're with different backgrounds different areas of the district i just think the more people that understand what we're dealing with the more they can be out in the community and explaining things and we get that information out there uh in fact one of the things i was mentioning at our water resource committee meeting we had last is these are public meetings so we can certainly encourage the people who didn't get selected to come to the meetings anyway members of the public can come they can have comments about things and you know maybe next go around someone will drop out and they'll get on and they'll know what's going on you know what's going on exactly so it's definitely good to have diverse outlooks because sometimes there's other ways of looking at things that none of us have thought about it's hard to imagine but it's true it's good to have well any public comment on this see none right well i'll move approval of of the whole slate i'll second that all in favor all right post one of the things i would like to do i would like to ask so that we in the water resources committee can get a running start because our next meeting is in august middle august i would like to put together a meeting of that group so we can talk about things like aquifers and aquifer layers and formations and pipes and pumps and tanks and all of us can start at the same basis so that we all kind of know what we're going about what what we're dealing with so can you see about setting up like a like a like a kickoff meeting and would that kickoff meeting be at the next meeting or you want to do that prior before the next meeting so that we can actually do work at the next schedule okay thank you and in fact if anyone else wants to come too because we'll talk about stuff that maybe other committee members might be interested in i think it's important for all the committees to have a feel for the whole though kind of nuts and bolts what our supply is what our demand is what our problem is i mean a lot of them get it what's climate change and how's that figure in and all those things what we've already looked at so we don't start off from scratch right we may be able to do and this was i think um something that carl had talked about was have the committee members go through the water wise academy um due to the the size of it we talked about doing maybe a focused one for committee members and and we can do that with the you know maybe try it out as a learning launch with the um that committee itself um and i think we can maybe do that for each of the committees especially because they have four new members and then based upon kind of the the discussions with the selection committee we are asking the other applicants who were not selected on the committee to um to be engaged and apply for our water wise academy thank you yeah i'd like to like to add on that that even the finance uh the finance committee members would benefit from having a wide understanding of the whole all the water issues in fact both of the people that were subsequently chosen for the committee expressed interest in being in on other conditions so all of the there is a wide overlap in places that uh the community members were interested okay i think we're done with that one now 6.7 update on advanced metering infrastructure here is your presentation good evening we saved the most exciting thing for the end of the meeting i wanted to make a couple a couple introductions here tonight we have staff members from master meter who's our current metering system and we have tyson with row here to my right tyson is the software trainer and tech support person he's here from texas we um did have some training today for the harmony software upgrade that we needed to make to make the switch to the hybrid amr am i meters and so that went very well we also have ed amalung here adds the regional sales manager with master meter and he's been uh really our sales support person for i think about 10 years so he was with us through the first amr deployment and then i also have chris freels here tonight the district's customer service supervisor if there's any questions internally about the process that we're we're looking at doing i'm going to have tyson give a demo tonight of the features of the harmony software and the customer app and portal that's called my water advisor and first i want to just give a little background on the memo so the memo just goes over the nature and the scope of the challenges that we're currently facing with our drive by automated meter reading system where the the batteries are starting to fail in those devices and so we're having to take a quicker look than we had originally intended at upgrading our metering infrastructure instead of being like four years out from now we're we're instead having to take a close look at that now and some of the options that we've already considered which would be keeping the amr system as is and just continuing to replace those registers or looking at an upgrade to am i and that's what the board is has indicated you're interested in and so what we've identified within the master meter suite of products is this hybrid option where we can originally initially put replacement registers in and read them in amr drive by mode and then when we feel comfortable with making an upgrade to automated metering infrastructure we can install the the infrastructure that goes with that so the collector stations or base stations and repeaters is needed to carry a signal to the collector stations and we don't have to do the entire system we can do it area by area we're going to do it area by area to make sure that you know the the board satisfied with it we're satisfied with it we want to make sure that we don't have any interference issues with our skata equipment or our radio communications this is a licensed product unlike the current amr system and so there's a lot more things that have to be considered it's it's a more difficult process so there's a lot of information in the memo some of the attachments or the product specs that we're looking at from the the endpoints or the registers to the software to the the infrastructure so the base stations and the repeaters i wasn't planning on on going over that in too much detail but if there's questions we can certainly come back to that and ed is you know very familiar with the product and can answer those i did want to i guess seek out the board's direction tonight on some of the items that we're proposing to do next the next step as we see it is to really go back now that the the radio transmission prop study is done we can start to finalize our costs what's it going to cost us to do a full upgrade everything from the registers we do need to purchase for the larger meters inch and a half and up we are planning on on purchasing new meters and registers for those services because those meters do not have the same 20 year warranty as the 94 percent that um that serve single family homes the five eight centimeters and so we're looking at replacing those and kind of knocking out some of the the water meter testing requirements that we also have coming up and and getting out ahead of that um let's see i wanted to get some feedback too we're planning on coming back to the board at the next meeting not only with that cost information but an analysis of how much water we think a full deployment of AMI could save and to propose that as an offset generating project to be funded with development fees and i think that's pretty much it running the the meters that we do get installed in a pilot test for the next two or three months in the drive-by mode and then um beginning to put the first base station and and however many repeaters we need for that um in place after that point if we're satisfied with the results of the pilot and the board satisfied so that's kind of the the things that i'm looking for direction on but um i think what we'll do next if that's okay is to go ahead and have tyson give a demo of the software and the my water advisor um portal and app and then circle back to a discussion um does that work i just have a question you mentioned that for some reason being a licensed product makes it more complicated i don't understand it's um federal communications commission it's a licensed frequency yeah and so they have um gone ahead and applied for that licensing on our behalf and we have that but even though we have a frequency in which we're designated to run this system we still have to make sure that we don't interfere with um SCADA operations and that our our frequency doesn't get stepped on as well so there's some work that needs to be done there is the radio system different than we have now the way i understand it works now is every few seconds the device wakes up and sends the information to hopefully the passing by truck yes every 11 seconds the meter the registers send out a signal yeah the mobile allegro mobile system that we're looking at is very different it goes into a sleep mode until the receiver um is uh in the vehicle and the service vehicle is within about a mile of that area then that starts sending out a signal to these registers to wake up and so there's a lot less energy consumption going on and a lot less electromagnetic radiation exactly correct but as far as following and being able to pick up a leak at some time during the month it won't do that it will not do that as we read it um and drive by mode but when they go to AMI mode right then you'd have and then i don't know if it'd be continuous or every so many seconds at that point um no when we go to full AMI mode this is my understanding is that um the the register is collecting reads basically every hour and it's sending those reads to a collector station twice a day so every 12 hours and when it uh it has to detect 24 hour continuous usage to be a leak and so it's a 24 hour plus maybe another hour lag period before you would be notified of a leak with this AMI system is that it's not instantaneous but it's it's within a 24 hour period is that something that's programmable or is it something that's hardwired if i know you can i bring these up to kind of show you the difference of the product i have the full meter with the register and then i have just the register itself that will go on our current meters or even our competitors meter and it is programmable um the the big difference between what we current or you currently have is our third generation product the unlicensed one is like shelly was saying is a mobile product only in other words you drive by once a month whatever the problem with that is let's say you read it today and tomorrow somebody had a leak you're not going to know for 30 days with the current product that's a hybrid it's either mobile or fixed you set up a tower in the fixed mode if there's a leak or a magnetic tamper or counterclockwise the meter itself is sending out a blip like every five minutes so there you're going to know within five minutes that there's a leak that that ran for 24 hours and you're going to see it back at the office that there's a leak instead of waiting 30 days so that helps with conservation does that make sense so if there's a leak it sends out more frequently yes okay yes any any type of alarm yeah that's great well you were talking about 24 hour any any situation where it's 24 hour yes the 24 hour is if there's a leak we don't want it to if somebody's filling up their pool or or doing something landscape or whatever we want to make sure that runs long enough to make it look like you know there's probably a leak there if it's a 24 hour period now if there's no usage on that meter for three hours it turns itself off it turns the leak off so and is that all programmable yes yes that's that comes with the product automatically so but if our staff decided they wanted instead of 24 hours to do 18 hours or 12 hours it is programmable yes sir all right and when we talk about automated meter infrastructure so using radio frequencies to transmit we consistently have people concerned about the dangers of of of transmitting radio frequencies are you qualified to talk about that or to the point where obviously our product goes to the FCC and we cannot exceed with there there have been competitors of ours that have taken their product bumped it up a little bit they got it tested it exceeded the FCC capability on either the tower or the meter itself that they're checking our product all the time on that so we have to send in samples like every few months so the FCC determines yes what power exactly yes and we cannot exceed that yes sir and it is there I was looking at the spec sheets and it's hard for me to put things in context you know this this versus say cell phones versus is there some resource where I could we provided Shelley you want to yeah we can certainly put some of that information together in a subsequent meeting and I like to see that just to be able to respond to be able to respond to the people's concerns yeah thank you thank you I also would I just had one quick question did you ever were you ever able to go to that field on a field trip to look at a work the working system we have not been able to get that coordinated yet we did reach out to some agencies in southern California that are working with master meter they're not in a full full deployment yet they're further along than us but they still have you know a lot of system to cover we did I did call the facility in Round Rock Texas and I haven't heard back from them yet but I'm going to keep trying to get a hold of them and see how it's working out for them they also I think are the two agencies in Texas they're using the my my water advisor customer app and portal whereas in southern California nobody's deployed that yet so I want to get feedback on that too okay demo time okay so let's go ahead and this off okay so what we're looking at here is the customer portal my water advisor this puts the end user in control where they can actually manage their own consumption as soon as they log in they'll actually be able to see what they're forecasted to use by the end of the month and what they've used to date so far they can actually set an alert to notify them I do not want to go above a certain maximum consumption if I get above that please let me know how's that notification happen so in settings they can actually set that themselves just by going into the settings and manually typing that in and setting it to whatever they choose to they don't want to go over I understand the number but what happens when you get email or that's right so they'll they'll get notified of a they can choose either email or text message good same way with a leak if they get a leak they'll either get a text message or an email they can choose what phone number it goes to when they're on vacation let's say they're going to be gone for from such-and-such date to in a future date they can actually set those dates and they can say if it goes above a certain gallon notify me that way if any water goes to their meter while they're gone such as a leak getting off a leak happens while they're gone they'll be notified right away right we'll also be able to graph their consumption which before the drive-by we would actually have to go out and data log the register get that to the customer they'll be they'll have that at access a radial available to them they can see hourly daily once they go AMI ask a question it's not only transmits every 12 hours it's logging data how often um so it goes down to five minutes programmable down to five minutes so it can actually store it can only hold so many data points though so the more often you store the less it can hold as a whole if you pick five minutes it must be able to handle that that's right okay um you'll also be able to reach out to anybody that's using my water advisor already have this open here but you can send a message to any user that's using the customer portal and they'll either get that on their smartphone if they're using the app or when they log in to the website they'll be able to see those messages here oh good spam also if they want to reach out to the utility they can do that and it will show up on our website as a envelope here in the top right the utility can click on that and any incoming messages will be listed there they have the ability to throw any leak in the area on our GIS system and for example if you have can't use water from 8 a.m. to 3 o'clock in the afternoon if you want to see anybody in the area that was using water during that time we could actually draw out a polygon around a certain area and filter that down we can run a consumption report for between hours and specify the days and hours we want to see blocked our pop-up there so we got to rerun it so we could say the 10th and the 10th say 8 30 a.m. so if we ever went to specific watering days or alternating watering days well you can specify a minimum consumption and allow the user a certain amount of water so i can i don't know that's probably hard to see let me see if i can make that a little bigger so you can specify i'm going to disregard anything less than a certain amount of water and then that'll eliminate that from the report it's a long way to go probably could have done a smaller area than what i what i chose and made it a little quicker but once your spreadsheet comes up you can actually pull the top users top consumers to the top it's sortable each column is sortable so here's our in the area i presume this stuff is just for staff i'm not for individual customers yes sir okay but they could see that in the hours i specified this customer used and this is in gallons 1247 gallons and the hours that i specified on that day so you could tell that that usage was more than you know a toilet or something like that um but there are several tools available where they'll be able to manage consumption they've also have a way to handle alerts any customer that has a leak will be listed here and they can choose different ways to handle those for example if i want to handle these two or three you can think of it as an alarm clock you know you want to snooze and sleep for 30 more minutes you can snooze these leak alarms and choose a way to handle them whether you want to do it sending a letter via email or mailing it you can choose how many days i want to snooze the alarm for put any comments in that you'd like and then and they can specify what this letter actually says they can change the wording obviously to say whatever they would like it to say but then you could mail this out to the customer or have it emailed and this will be even before we if and when we upgrade to am i this feature will help us greatly with our our current leak enforcement process which is pretty manual we haven't had a way to automate it and this will really help and so it'll be nice it'll help people have less water to pay for yeah um i it'll just help too and and the way that we process leaks from month to month and the way that we send letters out and now we have an email option so save a couple days on that yeah just create more efficiency in our process and then in 30 days this will come back as a reminder letting you know hey did this customer resolve their leak issues if so i could archive that alarm and then it goes into the history and it does keep a history on every customer's account their past leaks so you'll be able to see if they have another leak did they have a leak the same time last year or last month or you'll be able to see that history and it keeps that and i think um tyson will be going over this but the yellow dot um for the amr allegro mobile amr they'll all be yellow because there's not hourly or uh you know consumption being sent every five minutes but when you do upgrade to am i you have the ability to do a lot more to categorize the severity of leaks and um you can customize that however you want you can change it as frequently as you want we can do it ourselves and that will categorize leaks as they come in and help us prioritize basically do you have the option of text messaging leaks with this software too you um not through the harmony system it's either um a letter or an email but the harmony works in conjunction with the customer app and the portal and the customer app you can they can select a text be sent to them now i'll say this we when we first rolled out the software we did have that feature in there where you could send a text message instead of email um we had some issues with it so they took it out of the software but it will be added later to where you'll be able to text the customer you can always email a text too right yeah so just considering our water situation the sooner that a leak alert gets to somebody the better well with our phone situation and i don't always get my texts and texts until weekly oh really sometimes that happens yeah so i'd probably check email and text but just to elaborate a little bit on what she was saying right now the only way it can calculate the the leak level or the loss of water is by looking at the hourly reads unless they actually go out and datalog the meter it has no hourly reads to calculate that water loss from so but once they go am i every meter will have hourly reads and it will be able to calculate how much water is actually being lost every hour and then they'll be able to decide is you know zero to 15 gallons a yellow severity level is 15 to 35 an orange and then anything above 35 gallons an hour water loss is severe they'll be able to slide this and decide at that time what they you know decide is a severe leak and who's they the customer or it'll help us prioritize um to address those bigger leaks first and then work down the list okay all the dashboard yeah just zoom in and out so you all can see that a little better so every time they log in this is what they'll see as soon as they log in and this is staff i'm sorry i keep saying they but the utility will see just an overall view of their system meters that are no longer coming into the base station they're not they're not receiving an overall system status how well the system is reading and then as soon as they log in this is really important they'll see the critical alerts so the ones that are categorized as severe leaks um they'll see that right away as soon as they log in every time into harmony so the meter can actually throw an alarm a ccw which is a counterclockwise read um but if it doesn't let's say that alarm did not go off but the read is less than what it was the last time the meter actually came into the system then the system will throw a negative consumption it's kind of a backup to the ccw alarm in case it doesn't see that a backflow condition that's right water is is going in the opposite way that it should be going and we do see that from time to time they need a new backflow preventer they either need a single check or um yeah a backflow preventer if we've even seen it in single family homes where they maybe had a radiant heating system put in and the pump is is causing that backflow condition and so usually we can correct have them correct that with a single check installed which is only you know three hundred dollars to have a plumber install that and it doesn't have to be tested annually so it it accomplishes the objective yet saves the customer money but in worse cases they do have to put in a backflow or the use is a commercial use and it should have a backflow anyways and they can adjust the severity of that just like they can the leaks you know how how much of a backflow is an issue or severe just the way they could with the leaks how does this work with our current systems like if we currently have a system to deal with work orders so I see work orders up here so if we don't want to use these work orders we want to use the ones we already have in our yeah we don't currently use the the precursor to this harmony is master links and we don't use the work order process we use it through spring brook right so how do we integrate this system with our current system yeah and I want to use what they've got if we want that to somehow send information into you know our current system so you know we don't know if it's two sets of work orders yeah we we just don't use this work order function when we do move to Tyler for our billing system they have a really robust work order process and we're planning on going from the spring brook to the Tyler for the work orders electronic work orders is that answer well in general you know this has certain information it's going to produce and we want to make use of it in other systems so it's about integration between two software systems because this may have something information that we need in another system because we don't want to use what this is attached to we want to attach it to our own stuff that we already have we'll say this the yeah export the billing software it automatically generates work orders depending on the information that it obtains right this doesn't do that you have to manually this isn't an elaborate work order system the utilities that I see use this are utilities that don't have a good utility billing system in place because you have to manually create the work orders it doesn't integrate with the billing software at all like yeah I understand that I wouldn't wasn't saying we would use this but for example there are these alerts in here from these alerts that you have noticed we might want to then generate a work order and we'd like not to do it manually so how can we export the information from this system into our other system that we actually use so that we don't end up having to manually go over and type in a work order looking at this screen in that screen we're going to be looking for ways to integrate exactly with Tyler we have a utility that does that we put it in the interface to export that out just like when it's time to export the reads back to billing there will be a field where we'll put leak or or whatever the alert may be that the meter sent out that month that would go into Tyler we had the capability to do that just as hopefully Tyler can accept it there are some features as well that will help with water loss and I don't think we want to get into them in too much detail but I think that will really help us with our own internal water loss determinations and calculations and addressing that in the future. There's some new regulations out about water loss and so this could really kind of streamline those calculations and be working with Christine on that part of it to make sure we take full advantage of that feature. Anything else you want me to touch on? I think that about covers it. Thank you Tyson. So at what point would the our customers wouldn't use the their own mobile app until we had the AMI right? Yeah they wouldn't use it until we have the AMI and I think the best way to roll out the customer app is kind of that service area by service area. So I was wondering it might be something if we do a small area to try it yeah might be good to see how that works? Yeah so rolling it out for this first area in Aptos where we we plan to do the pilot I think is our approach and see how that works and then as we move on through the rest of the service area we would roll it out to those as well. One thing I like is that we can then do comparisons and see if this app actually gets used and how much it saves as we can see one area and another area one has the fancy new thing the other one has the old thing and we can see how much it saves in terms of leak detections or other behavior changes or comparing with the year before on each customer exactly a backie a true backie comparison looks good yeah looks promising yeah thanks for the demonstration yeah you're very welcome and for the information so what kind of schedule we hope they now let's hope they last longer than seven years what kind of schedule are we looking at? We're we've gotten I think about 10 of the the mobile registers in and for the pilot we're looking at completing the the Aptos Village development project as that comes online getting the system in so we're not going back out there later and doing that we're also looking at doing at least one or two routes in the area in the next couple of months and seeing how that works yeah and then in combination with that we're starting to look at what it's going to take to get the first collector station in and I'm envisioning probably three months probably no sooner than three months getting that first collector station in and switching over to AMI and so there'll be an education component to with the customers there's going to be an outreach component as yeah an educational component I think doing customers rather than just new stuff customers that have been there for a while for a comparison sake would be the most valuable yep how about registers that are failing the registers that are failing we're we're going to need to start putting in the hybrid as they fail I mean we right now we have the 3g AMR registers I think we have about 500 of those left Chris that were free to us they're under warranty and so we want to get those in and hopefully that gets us a little bit ahead of the curve so that we can then shift over to putting in these hybrid registers yeah that'll happen at some point that'll happen all the bad ones we're thinking a two-year deployment because we we want to take advantage of all these features that this offers we don't want to stretch this out you know more than two years we want to get get these in and and take advantage of these benefits we also have to do something now and so it just makes sense to just switch over instead of replacing the 3g with 3g until we can get ahead so how long have these been meters been in use the 3g AMR meters and registers they first started putting them in in 2007 oh no I'm talking about the new ones oh the new ones we just got the first ones in we got some in on Friday and he means in practice practice are they proven oh yeah that's another area yeah okay so some bugs have been worked out I imagine yes we learn from the 3g as a matter of fact we have an independent contractor that is going through every component I can explain what we found on the 3g if you have a few minutes I don't think it's necessary thanks and then not to mention we took some other steps where these actually go to sleep at night where it's not doing that five minutes not yeah it got you so you improved it yeah so but that's it you know we want to do this as soon as possible and yet if there's if this product is ramping up and becoming better and better that you can make an argument to wait yeah yeah so is it changing or is it pretty static now okay so do you handle the those districts in um Texas to I don't you don't cover California just California so are there any other areas or districts that have yeah it's put us in touch with um on city of Ontario uh loma lenda and uh lahabra so we've we've talked to those folks and they're more than willing to share information and and you know have us down for a visit but like I said they're early on in their process so I mean I'm I'm sure there's still stuff we can learn from them but I think uh you know looking at what they're doing in Texas and because they're further along is going to be really helpful yeah I'd really like to see that happen okay just real time yeah yeah and then in in the memo Shelly you talk about the meters are being tested in in Santa Cruz yeah and so any word on when that information is going to be done or how it's turning out did he say okay so we'll know soon yeah we pulled um some of the meters from the earliest route that we installed so they've been in the ground just a little over 10 years and we just want to confirm that those meters are still reading accurately they do have a 20 year uh full warranty so um before we you know just go and swap out registers we want to make sure that we're also have we figured out how much money we have both in conditional wheel serves waiting to do their thing and the new wheel serves waiting to do their thing yeah the other half of each one of these that has been approved we have a full accounting of all the the revenue the funds that we've pulled in through the water demand offset program how much is that boy I want to say it's around six hundred thousand dollars don't yeah I'm not exact on that because I haven't looked at it in a little while but so we could do half of the first year just like that yeah you need anything else from us some kind of action there's there's no action it's just a provide direction feedback so you'll be back on the 17th next month yep more information thank you Becky Steinbrenner from Aptos so um how safe is this um it's giving off radio transmissions and how safe is it from being hacked um can it ostensibly in the future could somebody go in and hack and turn off water service to a home or a neighborhood I'm curious about the future tower locations the repeaters and what their power would be and I want to know if there's going to be an opt out ability for customers who really don't want another smart meter in their home or have refused a smart meter from PG&E I'm a little concerned because I live in a canyon and I'm going to be going through a whole a whole barrage of this I'm not one of your customers but I'll be driving through or bicycling through the canyon with all kinds of things in this drawing this illustration on page 248 really makes me um worried about that I live out in the mountains without cell phone service for reason um because my family members are sensitive to this kind of stuff and yet here it is going to be saturating the canyon that I I and my family will have to have to travel through we have no option so I do have concerns about it um I do have uh I've I've read page 249 and looked at some of the the frequencies and the power so I understand that but I'm still I'm still worried and I don't know what you just said but I am worried thank you well for one thing as I found out instead of this thing blasting every 11 seconds I mean our entire system now is AMRs and you can't opt out we have a it costs you but you can opt out and I'm sure we'll continue that process if you want but it's going to go from the thing clicking every 11 seconds to you know much less frequent so you want this you it's going to be better than what we have now the other thing is the electromagnetic radiation dissipates within a few feet quite dramatically so and almost none of these go in the home instead they go up by the street so unlike PG&E which typically goes on the side of a house this one's usually not on the property at all it's in the space out front I am I am interested in I notice this is bi-directional so what is the buy the buy the back direction used for I know you've talked about the you can turn on the the sending but what else is the back direction used for we can summons final reads from the system right so that that's pretty much the main bi-directional feature there's not a remote shutoff right per se with the system and what we've learned is that there's a lot of problems with those add-on remote shutoff systems that we probably don't want to do those there's some liability concerns with the remote shutoff we were talking about that today and because it has to exercise for five minutes every day otherwise it could stick they had the time wrong and they were all set for 7 30 a.m. now people were in the shower and it shut off the other the other part is that we're looking at as manufacturers looking at the litigation that that fails closed it fails and that shuts down and you can't get water there's a fire or you need water for whatever reason that's another issue itself and thirdly is the cost they're like a hundred and twenty five dollars each and they only have a year warranty and I noticed that it was also encryption of the data that does get sent correct thank you thank you thank you very much thank you we have a closed session so we're going to be doing that next so goodbye thanks for coming