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This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, May 16th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Veronica Belmont, whose last name means beautiful mountain. That's right, Tom. That's all, that's all you need to know. You can follow her on Twitter, twitter.com slash Veronica, co-host of the Sword and Laser. Woman about the internet, how's that? That's good. I'm going to, I got my beautiful bot wiki shirt on today. That's a site that I'm an admin for. So if you want to learn how to make bots, I'm going to buzz market myself at the end of this episode instead of the top of the episode. I like it. All right. We're going to talk about whether you should be prevented by law from sending emails from work after work hours. But let's start with the headlines. Google has outlined a plan to make HTML5 default in Chrome instead of flash starting in the fourth quarter of 2016. They plan to make it so that sites that use flash will cause a prompt to appear, asking the user if they really want to enable flash on the site. You really want to do that? They'll exempt the top 10 sites that use flash. They'll make a whitelist of those so that they're not over prompting people. But that whitelist will expire after a year to give those sites time to adapt. The top 10 sites that use flash today are googlezoneyoutube.com although it does default to HTML5. Facebook.com, yahoo.com, vk.com, live.com, yandex.ru, ok.ru, twitch.tv, amazon.com, and mail.ru. Google will stop using flash display ads itself on January 2nd. So even Adobe doesn't care if you use flash anymore to be honest, but this is another nail in the coffin. I'm excited for this. I think it's a very good idea and I think the internet will be better for it. AT&T announced that it will acquire Quick Play Media, a video streaming platform that powers its U-verse and Direct TV streaming services. Quick Play also serves Verizon, Bell, Rogers, Samsung, Telus, SiriusXM, Vodafone, and AccuWeather. Bloomberg Television and more. Missed a comma there. AT&T says that Quick Play will continue to serve its existing global customer base. So this is smart. I find it intriguing that AT&T, one of the companies that doesn't want to be a dumb pipe, right? They're like, they've been trying to figure out how to monetize your connection and data caps are one of the reasons, one of the reasons we have data caps are companies trying to figure out how to monetize connections. That's why they don't give you unlimited internet on your wireless carrier. Yet, this is the way you don't be a dumb pipe. Make the pipes dumb. The pipes work best when they're dumb. Let's be honest. But you can be the company that provides the services that deliver the bandwidth-intensive things over the internet. Now, BAM Media from Major League Baseball is up for sale, but that's pretty pricey. They're one of the leaders. So AT&T, buying Quick Play Media seems like a really smart acquisition. I didn't know that MLB's version was also up for sale. They're trying to offload it? Yeah, they are spinning it out and they don't want to be the majority owner anymore. Disney's been sniffing around. But this is a hot commodity right now. And AT&T, I think, was clever to pounce on it right away. This is the kind of thing that you can then say, alright, you know what? Our legacy service will either spin out on its own as a commodity business, or we'll just keep it running at break-even and we'll make money by providing the services that run on the internet. Particularly, video is just going to grow and grow and grow. Wall Street Journal sources say Amazon will launch new private label brands for consumables. Things like nuts, spices, tea, coffee, baby food, vitamins within the next month. House brands will carry names like Happy Belly, Wickedly Prime and Mama Bear and be available only to Amazon Prime customers. That's kind of typical. Amazon has several house brands already. They sell phone cases, paper products, even some clothing. I'm very intrigued to see what these things will be like and how they will compare to other typical name brands. Though, I guess it's the same as a Whole Foods or a Safeway having their own label. Yeah, Safeway Select or at Ralph's they have their own Kroger brands, because Kroger owns Ralph's and they have the same brand. They all come from the same manufacturers typically anyway. Oh yeah, I've told the story probably before to some of you may have heard it. My dad who worked in dairy science, who's a food scientist, brought me into a warehouse in Colwater, Ohio when I was young and showed me all these different cans of evaporated milk with different labels and he was like, they all came out of the same vat. They just slapped different labels on. Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway disclosed a regulatory filing Monday that it owns around 9.81 million shares in Apple worth approximately 1.07 billion. Buffett told the Wall Street Journal he was not the person behind the holding meaning it was likely Todd Combs or Ted Werschler. Yeah, so those are the two people that are sort of the heirs apparent to Buffett at Berkshire Hathaway. He has been a little resistant to tech stocks over the years and they are very volatile so you know that's no one to get in a whole Warren Buffett thing but it is significant that Berkshire Hathaway at this point in time when people are saying not sure about Apple, you see activist investor Carl Icon moving off of Apple getting rid of his position and Berkshire Hathaway is like oh yeah now is a good time. We buy undervalued companies so we're going to pour a bit and a billion honestly is not that much as a percentage of Apple and certainly a small position even for Berkshire Hathaway. It's a approximately equal to one Didi Kowati. They spent one Didi Kowati. I know it doesn't work that way but I like to think that they invest in Didi Kowati or Didi Trishing and they're like hey Warren are you going to put a billion in because then we can afford to put a billion in you're great. We're going to take that billion from Warren and we're going to stick it up. That's just how a P&L works right Tom? Exactly. Samsung has received a patent for a small projector that can display UI elements on skin and read behaviors to translate into mobile or virtual actions PC Magnotes Carnegie Mellon introduced SkinTrack last month which is a similar system for turning your arm or hand into a touchscreen. That system uses a high frequency AC signal emitting ring to communicate with electrodes in a wristband. It's a patent. Doesn't mean it's coming to market and the Carnegie Mellon research has shown that sweating causes a real problem with these sorts of things. What does this look like? This looks like that there was a phone device that looked like this from a sci-fi film and I can picture the scene of the guy using it but I can't picture what film it's from. Anyway, someone out there, oh gosh I can't remember. Oh well, it'll come to me tomorrow. Do we want this? I don't need this, no Tom. I'm not sure, I guess the idea of a wrist-worn device that then projects a screen onto my arm is impressive but then I have to be pulling up my sleeves when I'm wearing long I don't know. I already have that problem with looking at my watch as it is. I think it's a classic, really impressive to see it done. It was the new Total Recall. Thank you Silverblade. My turn. Alright, the telegraph reports the BBC is planning to partner with ITV on a streaming service to be called wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, BritFlix. The BBC did mention developing an additional subscription service in its latest 10-year plan, though it did not give any more details. BritFlix, I would see that definitely being a code word in-house. So what's the latest on the BritFlix program when you're updating the project management team? Would they really call it that, though? Yeah, it feels, it seems unlikely but maybe it's one of those things where enough people say it and it gets so embedded in users' brains that then it just makes sense to call it that thing. So we could be at fault. I definitely want this. My fear is that it's because the BBC has its own BBC America issues about what can be played here. They also license things to PBS, so does ITV that I'm not going to get the version here in the United States that I want which is essentially paying for the British license and getting everything that's on the iPlayer right now if I were actually a citizen in the United Kingdom. It drives me nuts. I know. Google introduced a new app today called Spaces. It combines Chrome, YouTube and Search and lets you choose items to conduct conversations about with a group. Tap something to create a topic and then you can invite people however you want. You can use email, social network, they even say you can use other means. It's just a link. Rolls out today for Android, iOS and the web with a Gmail account. You can access it on the web. Haven't got a chance to play around with it yet. But everyone was writing it up today. So it was a thing people were talking about so therefore we are also talking about it. I don't see who this gets to use it because I have to download an app or even on the web I have to go to a thing and then get other people to share. I already have plenty of ways to talk to people about stuff I guess. Yeah, this sounds to me like maybe some kind of Slack play if it were to I haven't tried it though so I don't really know. It feels like Slack meets Pinterest with less emphasis on productivity. Is this what Wave turned into? Maybe there's some Wave code got ported over there. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. I guess if you're really into sharing YouTube videos and talking about them this could be cool. And I do like the fact that they're not saying everybody on either end of the conversation has to download the app. You can just share it with the link. That's great. Applause there. Yeah, as Dr. Payne in the chat says and I kind of agree though I haven't played with it so I can't really say from experience. I also have something called Space already. The YouTube space that my wife works at. Full disclosure. Yeah. See Network Boards Razors opening its first physical Razor Store outside of Asia in San Francisco. It opens Saturday at the Westfield San Francisco Center. The store will sell Razor laptops, keyboards, headsets and gaming accessories, games, launch new products, stage, e-sports tournaments and offer free giveaways. Razor also has stores in Bangkok, Taipei and Manila. I didn't realize they had so many stores outside of the U.S. but cool that we're getting one here in the U.S. I think this is just another of the like yeah this is the new wave. We're going to see brand specific electronic stores because we like to go into the showroom and we like to play around with the things but we don't necessarily always want to buy them at the store and so the brands operating them can benefit from that because they're like we don't really care if you buy it online but if you're more likely to buy it because you got to play it in the store then it's worth us opening these stores. I'll go check it out this week. I've got some meetings downtown tomorrow that end around 3 so maybe I'll pop over there and see if it's how it looks. Yeah. Record a little impression for us if you do. That'd be kind of fun. Yeah. The new model comes with a GPS radio and can automatically detect and track activities sells for 219 dollars shipping now in black, purple and blue. Sorry. Not black purple and blue. Black slash shark fin gray Imperial purple slash Kona purple and midnight blue slash bolt blue. Bolt blue. The color of bolts. Better blue. Okay. phone arena. Phone arena discovered that the latest beta of WhatsApp for Android includes a video calling option for some users. The feature seems to be enabled or disabled server side. That'd be cool video calling in WhatsApp. Apple confirmed Friday to Imoor.com that yes indeed, Pinkstone was not imagining it. A small number of users have reported iTunes removing their music library. Apple calls it extremely small. Company has not been able to reproduce the error itself but it still plans to release an update to iTunes this week that it hopes will fix it. In fact an update to OS X was released today with interface changes for iTunes and the iTunes Store but it is unclear if it actually has the fix for Apple Music in it. Kind of wish it would do that to me just so I could get rid of some of the crap that I never listened to but it's taking up space in my hard drive and I don't even look at it. Game Maker Star Breeze announced a joint venture with Acer Sunday to make and market the StarVR head mounted display. StarVR plans to provide a larger viewing space and includes Fresno lenses and dual 5.5 inch quad HD panel for 500, 5120 by 1440 pixels per eye. It's intended for use in amusement parks and arcades. Lot of nostalgia around the name StarVR. This is going to play well in arcades and amusement parks and people are, there are a lot of people who are legitimately excited about this. It's not something you're gonna be able to buy and take home. It sounds like. Thanks to all those who submitted things we used from our subreddit, submit stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and if you're like I don't have time to submit things just pop over there and take a couple seconds and vote. That helps us quite a bit. SP Sheridan, Steve Io, Abitwela Kundulse, all of those folks in there submitting things letting us know what we should talk about on the show. It's very helpful dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines. Back our main topic was submitted by another Jay Martin. It's a story from Washington Post last week about France passing a bill in the lower house that among many other controversial changes to labor law in France, see the Philius Club if you want more information on that, amongst all of those other things would require companies of more than 50 people to be obliged to draw up a charter of good conduct setting out the hours normally in the evening and the weekends when staff are not supposed to send or answer email. Now this is being billed as making it against the law to send or answer email outside of work hours but there is also no penalty for violating this law. So it's really just a kind of a public public service announcement sort of law like you now have to tell people that they shouldn't do this although there's nothing you can do to stop. I'm fascinated by the fact that it's companies 50 people and larger it seems to disincentivize startups from using this law like small companies that really have no option but to kind of have a penalty. Why not just make it apply to any business? Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point. This is I like the direction they're going in here because I think there's a lot of issues in the world today between what they call work-life balance but at the same time other researchers pointed out that this potentially could be more stressful for people to wake up on Monday morning and be day-losed with hundreds of emails that they weren't able to answer in a timely fashion over the weekend for example and I can understand that kind of stress. You don't want the first thing you look at on Monday morning to be an inbox full of things you need to get to so I like the stress on trying to have balance but at the same time I don't know forcing people to do that is the right kind of implementation. Yeah, and Big Jim points out several US states have a law that says if you're non-exempt if you're an hourly employee that you have to get paid for any time you work with phone calls and emails so there are other laws pertaining to this back in 2014 German Employment Minister Andrea Nullis considered anti-stress legislation banning companies from contacting employees out of ours. It is already illegal in Germany to contact staff during holidays but John Whittle who's a researcher at Digital Brain Trust is quoted in this Washington Post article saying email is just a medium used to communicate the real problem is the culture of having to constantly do more and constantly do better than competitors so on the one hand you could say well this this French law has no teeth because there's no penalties on the other hand I'm like well maybe that's fine because if they pass this law with teeth then they'd have to update it well now we mean messenger now we mean snapchat now we mean spaces or whatever yeah or slack or whatever right yeah exactly so what what needs to be treated is why are we so deluged in communication outside of work hours what what can we do to deal with the fact that there is no natural barrier used to be you left work and nobody could get a hold of you right yeah and the telephone came along and I was still sort of like well it's kind of a burden to pick up someone call and talk to them but now with email you're not bothering anyone you're just sending them an email they can look at it whenever they want but of course we have developed a culture where we're like oh must must look at my email right away all the time and and we've also I mean there are companies that try to promote this internally slack I believe has a work hard play hard kind of mentality where they they want you to work really hard during the day and not really take like two hour breaks to go do yoga or do whatever it is you want to do but at the end of the day you're supposed to be done and I think doing building that kind of thought process from within is a lot healthier than having it come from an external source being like we don't want you to work on off hours because they're like well the competition the international competition is going to get a jump on me if we're not putting in as much time as we possibly can so I don't really know it falls in line so much with what I've been thinking about in terms of mindfulness and you know being able to turn off your crazy monkey brain at the end of the day and how do we find that sense of peace and a lot of that is caused by the constant notifications that we receive on our computer and on our mobile devices and our iPads things that we use for fun and work so they're always on us we need to have our phones on us so we can be reached by friends and family and loved ones for for those relaxing times but also that means they're they're on you for when your boss is trying to get in touch with you at four o'clock on a Sunday yeah we I think because because let's take this that that slack policy it comes from a great place which is to say we don't want to bother people outside of work hours so during work just work don't spread it out but that will have its own problem where someone says yeah but what if I get inspired at nine o'clock at night am I supposed to ignore my inspiration I can't put it off until tomorrow and I'd forget about it so that's a different kind of thing that's a different but none of these things are perfect is what I'm saying like you can't you can't really restrict work it's not the kind of if we're a bricklayer we can say well I'll lay bricks from 8 a.m to 5 p.m with an hour break for lunch and that's easy to keep track of right are you laying bricks or you're not laying bricks but with so many creative enterprises sometimes everybody has a good idea in the off hours and it would be more efficient if everybody's like oh we're in slack we're brainstorming we didn't plan for this to happen it's serendipity so how do I think we need to take responsibility for our own time off we used to not have to it used to just be naturally built in but now I think when you're working and you're working well keep working right but when you hit that wall I think it's I think there should be no culture that makes you feel guilty for saying you know what I need to refresh my brain right now oh yeah and that's I agree with you 100 percent but I worry that even if you come up with a personal system of of managing that kind of behavior what if your boss doesn't what if they're just that kind of of work driver where they're thinking about this stuff and and they just want to offload it off of their brains so they shoot off that email on Saturday night not even thinking necessarily that you have to get to it right away but you get it anyway and there's there's Gmail plugins there's tons of different plugins for email clients that that you can say all right send this I'm gonna even though I'm writing this on Saturday afternoon don't send this email until Monday morning at 8 a.m. yeah I sketch will emails out or you can prevent them from coming in until you're back on work hours and I think that's what's happening is we're we're starting to learn what we need to do in this world where we can in fact communicate with anyone all the time if we want to so but we shouldn't and and what are the new ways of doing it is it is a plugins like that and we need to create a culture where the boss realizes that it's not okay to expect people to be working all the time or to be or and that it is okay if someone if you wanted someone to be working right then and they're like you know I really need my brain needs a relaxed relaxed time that there are legitimate times that isn't and we need to figure out low how do you as a boss tell the difference between somebody who really is just slacking off and not doing their job and someone who legitimately will be more creative and productive if they take a little break right then or at least understand too that just because you know just because you don't necessarily think your employee needs to get back to you on that Saturday email thread they may feel the pressure because you are the boss that they have to get back to you right away so having conversations about that even just saying like hey you know sometimes I get I send emails on the weekends don't feel like you need to get back to those until Monday like it's not important I just need to like kind of clear my head space you know having that kind of open communication I think is important but at the same time just the act of sending it is a distraction from someone relaxing just receiving that email even if they don't think they have to get to it until Monday it's still going to be top of mind for them so I think the best course of action is to just either delay the sending or use some kind of program that prevents them from being sent until you're back on work hours yeah hopefully at some point we develop a an ethics or or I I guess not an ethics but but I uh what is what is it called a code of conduct almost yeah code of conduct um it sounded like Sean Connery just then because I was drinking water and trying to talk at the same time code of conduct but but just uh just a way a man you know manners we need to have manners that says like if it's this kind of of communication you all understand that it's not time sensitive and the people will get to it at 8 a.m. on Monday morning if it's this conversation you understand this is an emergency it's unusual and it needs to be attended to right away and you won't abuse that you'll only use it in those situations and we haven't developed that yet etiquette thank you yes etiquette I'm thinking of etiquette thank you Roger um there need there needs to be an etiquette around communication developed so I don't know if it needs to be a law I just think it needs to be ingrained into the corporate environment and ethos yeah and just yeah just done that way and honestly again leaving aside everything else in this labor law which is extremely controversial at France like I said see the Philly's Club great episode about that uh this to me is fine because it doesn't have penalties it's sort of a soft step towards saying hey companies you need to inform you need to take the first step in getting people thinking about this and maybe that's not such a bad thing our pick of the day comes from Brandon uh who wrote us in reaction to dish announcing their plans to be able to dispatch people to fix your phones send people to your house to fix your phones and Brandon said well you know that's great but some folks aren't going to want to let people into their house they aren't going to want people coming to their home to fix a phone and he's like he does not work for office depot but he says office depot now fixes smartphones in florida georgia alabama texas and certain parts of california and arizona they have same day service if you bring it in by noon grade a parts with 12 month warranty uh they'll do price matching and associates can fix iphone's five s and c six six plus and samsung's uh s four through s six if they don't have a part or if the customer has a different phone they can do a mail-in repair option as well but office depot isn't the only one doing this there's a lot of places we've got two computer repair stores near our place that offer phone fixing now that's a that's a big thing for them now that they're not selling as many desktops anymore it's a great thing it's a great option to look at there may not be there may be a place that's not too far from you that if you've got a crack screen or something you can go and even get a warranted repair a perfect option if you don't have kids to fix it for you yes exactly uh send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks we got some messages of the day Veronica your first one sure thing hello tom in the d tns crew last week you asked if people were still using blackberries here is my story i recently inherited uh my brother's blackberry leap my intention was to back up the leap and root it so i could install android on it i haven't gotten around to backing it up and fully rooting it yet what i have done is to get the play store loaded on the leap which for the most part gives me the apps i'm looking for eventually i'm planning on rooting the leap to put android on it without the play store the leap has limited use for me with the play store it is a much more useful device a christopher in warmer than usual edmonton i love these blackberry stories and by the way i'm not reading all of the ones we've gotten but we've gotten a couple dozen of them now uh in various levels from tongue in cheek too serious i love my blackberry so just goes to show if a company still exists and makes products there are still going to be people out there that love them that's some kind of rule of the internet i don't know which number uh and then kevin wrote in and said i'm part of a collective podcast made up of stay at home dads geek dad dot me and i'm going to the bay area maker fair this weekend friday through sunday looking for other stay at home husband s a h s's stay at home dad's stay at home dad's s a h anyway looking for other sashes uh or makers with interesting ideas to share on an upcoming podcast so he's looking for people to chat with uh trying to get the word out as quickly as possible as maker fair has surprised me with press credentials making this a bit more official than what i had originally planned and he thought our audience was a prime group so we'll have contact information for him in our show notes at daily tech news show dot com or you can go to s a h d pod dot com i must be a typo then because stay at home dads s a h d make sense uh or follow s a h d pod on twitter awesome i'm not going to make it to maker fair this weekend unfortunately that's too bad yeah but it's always a good time carl heath uh whose podcast patrick beija and i were guests on is going to be there as well so i actually sent this uh to carl as well looks like barrier maker fair is going to be hopping with good times good times well thank you ronica belmont tell us a little more about your bots 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frog pants network get more at frogpants.com time and club hopes you have enjoyed this program dang that was an efficient episode burned through it huh yeah we tried to limit conversation on the the headline to kind of make it flow a little yeah but it didn't feel like it yeah you know like i i know we both did that but it still felt like i don't know felt good was it was it beatmaster says shortest dten episode dts episode yet no i know it's not because it uh we've had others that are under 30 minutes and this is 2941 so titles yes please all right uh bezos brands happy belly what amazon wants you to have after buying their food that's long that's actually isn't that no that's not the name of an indian movie bollywood movie that that whole thing is the name of an indian movie no no the happy belly part it was delhi belly it was a delhi i don't remember in case uh google waves hello to spaces you may email france between 9am and 7pm email manners matter okay are you not use flat are you okay are you you don't like it you don't email manners matter i kind of like yeah i like that one there's another french one i saw somewhere uh extraneous etiquette no let's see that wasn't it i don't know france well france will not surrender off ours i thought that was pretty funny unless you're french that's not actually patrick probably still finds it i like email manners matter do we go with that yeah sure i have i i have always been always of the opinion never to respond to emails until monday over the weekend if it's work related i can't help myself sometimes i'll look at it i can't afford to not do that right now so like i have to answer that's that's what got me when i was first reading this and i before i realized there weren't any penalties for non-compliance i was like well but the the way i work is not i don't work for a company right like i work with a bunch of independent people who are on their own schedules working at different times like if i need to email brian brushwood on sunday night about cord killers the next day there's nothing wrong with that but at the same time yeah i can see why you're a boss at a big company and maybe that's why they put the 50 people limit i don't know it's to be honest it's one of those things that i think like for example in your case tom it's like everyone just has like you know you set up uh you set up the limits like you know hey i'm gonna be out it you know i won't be able to read it like i think i used to do that with emails like hey i won't be able to read your emails like any replies until such in such date yeah i used to do that too but i think part of it is and i know it's some corporations it's just kind of expected that whenever you you get an email you you reply to it yeah and i've i've always like kind of like hey i'll get to it when i get to it i definitely reply slower over weekends and yes you know and there there are definitely there are times when i just kind of put the computer away like eight o'clock then i find out people were slacking me or messaging me or whatever and i'm like oh crap i wasn't around you know if it's an emergency i'll say just text me if it's an emergency but if it's not emergency send it by email i get it to you i'll give you a reply on monday it's it's it's one of those weird things that i've noticed that it really depends on who the boss or the manager is because some people are like incredible you know uptight about having a reply to each of you so did you see my email it's like yeah i saw it it was a saturday night i was taking you know taking my kid out to the game i'm not gonna that's what i mean about like there needs to be a culture where you you that's not the right that's not an okay response the response needs to be like oh okay well this this this is a communication channel where i don't expect immediate responses and this is mm-hmm it needs to be clear right oh right oh 100% state theory again 100% i think i i almost brought this up in the show but i i think it also relates a related problem is how do i get a response from someone like if i do need a response some people if i text message them they don't get back to me for a while some people if i text message them that means this is urgent and then it'll be like well why did you text message me that so there's there's no agreement on like what are the ways we should all contact each other yeah what does it mean yeah yeah i don't really have that problem too much but i can see why it would be a problem in a work scenario like with eileen i almost never text messenger but when i do it's usually like oh i kind of need something and if i text messenger during the day i won't hear back from her from ours that's weird because i i hear back from her pretty quickly you just have to ask her the right questions tom i see i see uh most of my questions are not about masks that's exactly what you have to ask her about yeah okay that's or like what what do you do with all the tiny spatulas that comes with the difference between a foot mask and a korean yeah no okay well that kind of mystery solved i know they used to give uh my roommate used to have a pager that his because he was an amt that the company gave him and like when even though it wasn't on he wasn't on the job he was on call and so you're just is part of the job you would have it on for like the 24 hour period and then if it went off you'd go so there's like that was like at the beginning though it's just like okay this was as expected well and that that's why i never used anyone's pager like patrick norton had a pager back in the tech tv days i would never use it because it felt like oh that that's like an emergency that's like you know life or death situation use a pager and it's funny like phones have always been like well don't call during dinner time you know and and all of this and they've become even more even though they're more ubiquitous it's even more like oh i text someone is it okay to call you right now yeah that's so funny to be because there's there's a there's a level of involvement the person has to be in yeah but they just wouldn't i mean really if someone calls you and then you don't want to talk to them you just don't pick up the phone it's actually more disruptive to text them is it okay to call you right now but it feels more polite somehow yeah yeah i'm sure i'm sure the upcoming generation will have a solution for it generation back to pay phones for everyone yeah that was great uh someone said i do you say icu or icu i see you i see you full disclosure uh oh and i get it because i made fun of because i talked to your wife more than you do boom boom drop oh and it's not a fresnel it's fresnel and what are you doing juggling i'm just throwing this i have this thing i don't even know what it's from oh i know what it's from um i just looked at it more closely and then i realized what it was you just helped her it's a spare like like footy thing that goes on my my um um your footy it's a footy thing that goes on the metal uh file holder thing that i have on top of my whatever and um i play with it a lot it's like a thing a bumper it's a bumper yeah it keeps from scraping a table and i i just i play with it constantly when i'm at my desk and like a few times i've been like i should throw that out or i should put that where it belongs and every time i'm like but then what will i fiddle with on my desk while i'm doing other things when i used to do tech news today uh in pedaluma there was a nickel like in a little depression in the wooden desk and i would play with that every time i sat there and then one day the nickel was gone no like i'd be really upset if this disappeared i'd be like where'd it go and it was silly it was like who took the nickel like and then i was like why would they even take the nickel yeah who needs but it probably probably just bounced off or something like it probably was taken and what i'd like is that it it clamps to my thumb and like my fingers so like it sits there and i always i like i just it's always there it's like a security bumper yeah from my brain for your brains we have bot wiki stickers bot wiki bot wiki ryan's like so cool why are you doing this are you getting paid for it i'm like no because it's fun because it's fun i like it some things are fun tom's like stop spending all this time on bot wiki and do sword and laser stuff to which i say tom i am i did that today yeah i know i would i would definitely not say that especially today you put my book in the collection got it yeah i cut your let's be honest i put you over i put you over this week oh yeah no you totally did like it uh what was i at i was at seven you're seven four six no seven 14 really no no it was it was it was you were 30 you needed 36 more pre oh that's right i was yeah yeah i was it was seven 22 or something yeah and then veronica tweeted it and by the next morning at 8 50 a.m stoked so good i was sitting there at the korean barbecue place in korea town like while you were texting me all of those numbers by the way oh she had she uh she accepted so now she's in the day sex makina oh we have a new collection yeah so i'm not even the newest member now i should tweet this out yeah oh man oh man we got a new go to sword and laser i'm gonna i'm gonna post this on the sword and laser account and they are lucky too because they get like twitter cards with ink shares so it looks really good when you post links to ink shares on on twitter you don't have to do like an image nice good work matt and adam and everyone i got my uh i got my email from avalon like all the things that i need to fill out oh good that's kind of fun i was like oh this is avalon emailing me about me not jim or or jf or right yeah all right uh we are going off the air forever now just for a little bit we'll see you tomorrow remember a live audience two hours later for patrick beija bye patrick beija