 Ladies and gentlemen, so let's move to the second session. The second session is the National Initiatives, and the session will be moderated by Dr. Solihin Manuri. Dr. Solihin Manuri is the Senior Advisor at Diometer Consulting based in Bogor, Indonesia. He has more than 15 years of experience in forestry in Indonesia. So Dr. Solihin, you have 30 minutes for your session offered to us. Thank you, Basita. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. I'm Solihin Manuri. Thanks for introduction, Basita. Welcome to the second session about the Subnational Initiatives. So previously we have National to Global Connections, now from National to Subnational Connections. So right now we have three presenters, resource persons from quite broad range of spectrum from national level to side level, and also from government ministerial and also from NGO. So we have the first resource person, Pak Joko Hendratto. He is the President Director of Environmental Fund Management Agency, or we call it BPDLHA, Badan Pengalaman Danalingwan Hidup. He has a doctoral degree in Management University of Indonesia. And the second presenters, we have Pak Rudisaf. He is a Project Manager at Warsi based in Jambi. He has master degree in Economic Development. And yeah, interestingly Warsi is not only have activity or mitigation actions at side level, but also they just currently become one of the Lembaga Prantara, or the agency that will help the BPDLHA in distributing the funds. So I think this is quite interesting to understand how this can be implemented to the subnational level. And the last note, the list we have, actually initially we are planning to have Ibu Belinda Margono. He is the Director at Inventarisasi dan Pemetan Sumberdaya Hutan, or BPSDHA. But she has another important event that she has to attend in Jogja, Buana. But Buana is with us right now, Anato Siani. She is also well-known, she is Data Analyst, also at the same Directorate. She has master degree of Earth Science, from double degree of UGM and ETC Netherlands. And he is also one of team from AFREL, so we met quite often. Also from AFREL National by UCF, also FCPF. Without further ado, we only have 30 minutes. So I would invite Pak Joko, are you ready? Ya, Pak Solihin. Yes, please, Pak Joko, floor is yours. Pak Solihin, I'm sorry. Can I present it in Bahasa? Oh ya, sure. So we can do it in Bahasa Indonesia, Pak. Silahkan, Pak. So we discussed in Bahasa. Thank you, Pak Solihin. Thank you very much that we invited in this... Ya, dialogue. Pauweus, kalian, saya hormatin pertama-tama tentu saya sangat... Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for having me. And I'm grateful for the opportunity to discuss with you. So if I can have the assistance to share my presentation, please. Ya, mungkin fokus yang ingin kami sampaikan di dalam kesebatan. So the focus or the theme that I would like to address in this focus and I was informed by my team member Ibu Mia that in this workshop, what we would like to know more is about mobilization of foreign funds and then linkages with carbon tax, linkages with the carbon economic value. First of all, looking at the... Considering the theme of this workshop, the role of science in the development of the AFREL, I was quite unsure that what should I bring to the table here. And hopefully my contribution here can provide insights for our participants. Starting from the issues that we would like to discuss, I would also like to talk about the background of the Indonesian Environment Fund and hopefully this can answer how do we mobilize foreign funds. There are several things that I would like to share in this forum. First of all, we have Article 6 of the Paris Agreement that requires carbon transactions, carbon trade, carbon arrangements to involve or to have approval from the national government that is specified in Article 6 of Paris Agreement. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the information that we've had during the establishment period of the Indonesian Environment Fund. Secondly, I agree with Oswaldo about carbon issues and that this is... or carbon trading or carbon pricing is something that has a lot of uncertainties at this moment and uncertainty is, of course, something that capital owners want to avoid. And in the first session, we talked about carbon issue, that it is a cross-cutting issue, it involves multiple stakeholders and we heard other problems such as investment and we know that our state budget has constraints and so all of these are in our consideration when the government offers this mechanism that eventually leads to the establishment of IEF or Indonesian Environment Fund. Next slide, please. Jadi dalam diskusi ini kita menjawab berikut ini, so in this presentation, I would like to answer the following. How is the arrangement of the IEF in addressing carbon issue? Hopefully we can explore about this question and what are the IEF's thematic and initial funds. So I'll tell you more about our funds and the linkage of Environmental work management and carbon pricing. So from this question, I believe will bring the discussion or summarize the discussion nicely in this presentation. So the background of IVF was established because of the Article 6 of the First Agreement, the course cutting issue of carbon pricing, the constraints in our state budget. We then thought of a strategy or solutions on and how to address these problems. In short, we want to be able to attract the private sector to join our funding or investment that we need to tackle environmental problems. So that's the overarching question. And I've mentioned that uncertainty for private sector is something that they would wish to avoid and it could impede their participation in environmental solutions. And it's something that we need to solve for them because we do want to involve private sector. Article 6 on First Agreement is also creates a certain pressure, not only for Indonesia, but for other countries around the world that is about the role of governments, not only to lead or to govern the economy, but we also see consequences and I believe that this is not unique to Indonesia, but also other countries in the world. And I also see this in Norway, for example, that when the government's role is involved, then they will issue the law on state finances and a law that we have from a long time ago that also reflect legacy governments of the colonial government in the Netherlands. And so without innovations, without breakthroughs, we will meet with problems if we want to govern carbon transactions. We now have the government regulation, we're saying that the carbon economic value, we want to able to quantify that value. However, the rigidity of public governance should be an important consideration. And I've mentioned about the constraints of the national state budget, but nevertheless state budget plays pivotal role in our efforts to tackle environmental issues. So the collaboration between the public funding and the private sector is a very important element in designing a mechanism. And because this is a cross cutting issue and we have to consider many variables, many things. So all of the variables, if I may use the term variable, after that the solution that we come up with is we offer a mechanism to provide an institution or to establish institution that can be a vehicle to coordinate all of the relevant parties. The vehicle would want, wishes to be able to accommodate the interest of different stakeholders. And so that's why the vehicle needs to be very dynamic, adaptable, and that is the idea behind the IEF's institutional arrangement. And if we consider to involve private sector, and it's very important that that involvement, that engagement has to be reflected in our laws and regulations. And these are the regulations that I bring in this presentation as the mandates or IEF that can reflect. Joko, you have one more minute. So IEF is a public service agency or BLU that does not strictly under the state finances law. So we are a trustee. So as I said, we are a vehicle that follows the laws of regulations under the Financial Services Authority or OJK. Next, so this law, this is the law 895 on capital market that we refer to. Next slide. And this is our mechanism as a trustee. We manage all funds separately from other accounts, from the state accounts. We call them mandates and we put them or deposit them in a separate bank. So between IEF as the manager and the bank as the institution that stores the assets. And there's always the line minister and program owner that is part of our project board. Their role is to ensure that they are the users of our of IEF as the vehicle and that we can accommodate their interest and to be flexible enough to accommodate their needs. So that is the design of our legal or institutional mechanism. Next slide. So all of the funds in our IEF, we frame them. We map them into five segments. One is sustainable forest, land use and ecosystem management, renewable energy, low emission. And all five at the end of the day is wants to create environment and community resilience. Right now we are managing Red Plus, Terra, Manggrove and in the instruments are grants. Pemberian ini saja langsung habis gitu ya. Ada revolving funds? Grants and revolving funds. We have revolving funds from the environmental for environmental restoration as well as reforestation. So we manage these funds using the revolving fund instrument. We also have funds disaster pooling fund under endowment fund instrument and we also have other instruments being designed in our pipeline including vehicles or mechanism to issue green bonds. Next slide. So on the linkage of environmental fund management and carbon pricing. And this is also under the law of the minister of environmental and forestry. So in our IEF, our mandate again is under article 59. We should manage the payments of carbon pricing, carbon levy. And I can share with you that the reason why we manage the funds, why IEF manage the fund and not other institutions. And that's because the IEF is under the authority of the minister of finance where instruments and capacities, the arrangements of corporations, everything taxes are being monitored and managed by the ministry of finance and the capability of that ministry to reach out to all actors is the reason why IEF manages carbon levy. And because there's a linkage with the taxation authority under the ministry. Next slide. Nah ini ada gambaran dari kalau sekarang lagi diskusikan kemarin We recently discussed about a ministerial regulation on carbon trading. This is the chart that we tried to come up with. So we can see that there are multiple actors, multiple ministries, public institutions and other institutions that based on article 59. The article says that all transactions between all of these parties or the transactions are non-tax state revenue or PNBP. So how do we manage these payments in flexible manner? That is where IEF comes in as we are the vehicle that manage the interests of these different entities and that we do not need to follow the rigidity of the state finance law. And hopefully we can also share the presentation later to our participants so that you can see more closely on how we arrange our carbon payments. And this is another scheme of the carbon trading using the result-based payment model and the mechanism that we have currently. So thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen. Hopefully in this short time can inspire our discussion. I look forward to your questions or comments. Thank you. Tapi tadi banyak saya pikir. Thank you so much, Pak Jokul. I know that we don't have a lot of time, but thank you so much for your very comprehensive presentation. We shall move on to our other next speaker. We have Pak Rudi Shaf from Warsi in Jambi. Rudi, Pak Rudi, are you ready to deliver your presentation? Silahkan, Bang. Yes, I am. So you may go ahead. You can use English or Bahasa Indonesia, whichever you're convenient. Baik saya dalam Bahasa Indonesia. Terima kasih banyak, Kang Solihin. So I'll be delivering presentation in Bahasa Indonesia. Thank you so much, Solihin. And I'm here to talk about engaging community participation on Red Plus and the challenges. This is a little bit about Warsi. We were established in 1991 and we focus on facilitating local communities in helping them in practicing sustainable forest management methods using their traditional knowledge and wisdoms. And we are present in several provinces in Indonesia, as you can see from the map on Red Plus. We know that this is one of the solutions to address climate change. And we believe that communities can play an important role in contributing to reducing emission from deforestation and forest degradation. Dan Warsi sees the importance of recognizing tenir rights of communities. For example, like now, we have the scheme of social forestry. And it's proven a good scheme to show the communities capabilities of forest management. This is our work sites, our project areas. We call this Community Carbon Program in Bujang Rambah area in Bungo District. That is in Jambipa. So if you see this map, we have five village forests in one landscape within a conservation forest and people, the local people have received the recognition to manage the village forest. So this is the model that we are developing. Essentially, people receive recognition to manage community forestry under the scheme of village forest. And since this is a conservation forest, they also need to maintain the forest so that it can assume the conservation forest roles. And we are developing supports so that local people can receive benefits from their efforts in protecting and guarding, safeguarding the forest. Initially, we didn't go directly to the carbon scheme. Instead, we built activities with the local people, especially to safeguard, to protect the forest, to safeguard the forest, to enrich the forest, as well as to strengthen the local institutional capacity among the local communities. So this is an interesting illustration. If you see the forest coverage based on this map, we can see that from 2013 to 2019, we did not experience any loss of forest coverage. In other words, zero deforestation. In 2019, we have some decrease in forest cover for 100 hectares due to forest fire because in 2019, we had long dry season. And thus, we had a widespread forest fire in many different spots in Sumatra. So this is a more clear illustration about the licensing. So we have five village forests licensed by the government. And we can see the graph. This is the graph for business as usual. Ini adalah data yang kita mendapat dalam perusahaan konservasi sebelum orang-orang mendapat perusahaan, maaf, perusahaan komunitas, perusahaan deforestation sangat tinggi. Jadi, ini target. Tapi sebenarnya, kita mengalami target. Sama pada tahun 2019, kita kehilangan 100 hectares dari land. Tapi setelah itu, setelah itu, 7,290 hectare. 1,955 hectare telah ditutupi oleh orang-orang di luar. telah ditutupi oleh orang-orang di luar. Dan 5,336 hectare tersebut di perusahaan. Untuk perusahaan itu untuk di luar, kita membuat apa yang kita nanggap kondisi komunitas. Tapi perusahaan itu masih berdasarkan penggunaan untuk perusahaan. Kita tidak memperkenalkan di lain skim karena masih tiap keputusan untuk ini. Pemimpinan ini di bawah penggunaan untuk perusahaan adalah lebih berdasarkan perusahaan dari perusahaan dari pemimpinan, dari perusahaan tersebut di aktivitas, tersebut di perusahaan lain. Dan dari 5,300 hectare, perusahaan emisi karbon adalah sekitar 37,000 ton. Dan ini 37,000 ton diberikan di bawah penggunaan untuk penggunaan yang berdasarkan penggunaan karbon. Untuk perusahaan perusahaan untuk mereka bayar $6 per ton. Tapi ini bukan untuk penggunaan, tapi lebih untuk penggunaan. Dan penggunaan itu diperguna oleh komunitas lokal dan penggunaan penggunaan dibuat oleh konsultasi komunitas untuk perusahaan ekonomi sosial. Karena orang-orang masih memiliki kapasitas ekonomi. Anda bisa lihat ini pemerintah yang seperti pemerintah lokal, pemerintah lokal pemerintah lokal pemerintah pemerintah lokal. Dan menerima komunitas-komunitas-komunitas di 5 jenis. Ini adalah lalu saya karena saya tanya untuk berbicara tentang kejelengahannya. Sebenarnya tergantung dari pengalaman kita, masih susah mendapatkan sokongan di projek komunitas. Kita mulai pada tahun 2013. Pemerintah lokal hanya diberikan pada tahun 2018. Dan kemudian tahun 2019, tetapi aktivitas dibuat sejak kita menunggu untuk regulasi baru yang bisa diberikan dalam kejelengahannya. Tapi penggunaan karbon terus bergerak kita dapat melihat banyak penggunaan menerima kita untuk berbicara tentang Pujang Reba, dan di masa depan menyebutkan kejelengahannya dalam kejelengahannya. Kita mempunyai potensi kejelengahannya terutama dalam kejelengahannya karbon. Tapi kita masih bisa bekerja dalam kejelengahannya, walaupun tidak terlalu banyak, tetapi jika kita bisa buka kejelengahannya dan kita bisa mengakomodasi komunitas yang selamat untuk kita, seperti Pujang Reba. Saya percaya kejelengahannya akan lebih bagus. Terima kasih, Ihin. Terima kasih, Rudi, untuk kejelengahannya. Itu sangat menarik. Apa yang Pujang Reba lakukan, akan menyebutkan pertanyaan untuk kejelengahannya. Untuk pembantu, jika Anda ada pertanyaan, sila menyebutkan di chat box. Presenter bisa menjawab mereka juga. Mari kita pergi ke presenter 3, Ibu Anna. Tolong. Terima kasih, Ibu Anna. Terima kasih, Icin. Terima kasih, Icin. Terima kasih. Selamat malam. Nama saya, Ana. Saya menghubungi dari Ministeri Penyelamannya dan Forestry, terutama Direkturat Forestry Source Inventary dan Monitoring yang sebahagian dari tim FRL2. Biar saya memberi pembentangan saya. Ya. Di sini, saya akan menghubungi kejelengahannya dan aktivitas data yang digunakan dalam FRL2 dan juga dalam FRL1. Tapi saya fokus pada pembentangan data kita. Ya, tolong. Ya. Dalam FRL Indonesia, kita tahu FRL1 dan FRL2 kita menggunakan data aktivitas data dan pembentangan data dari Ministeri Penyelamannya dan Forestry. Kita tahu bahwa banyak data adalah pembentangan data. Jadi kita memastikan dari tempatan pembentangan dan juga kita menghasilkan pembentangan dan pembentangan dengan seluruh pembentangan data. Kita menghasilkan dengan perjalanan perjalanan. Kita tahu bahwa data memiliki perjalanan dan konsisten dengan pembentangan data yang sama. Dan juga kita menggunakan pembentangan dan pembentangan perjalanan untuk pembentangan data dan aktivitas data. Dan di sini saya akan fokuskan pembentangan data yang sama dengan pembentangan data dan pembentangan data. Dan ya, kita juga menghasilkan data. Kita menggunakan prinsipa TACC yang menghasilkan pembentangan data dengan pembentangan data dan konsisten. Kita tahu bahwa data kita memiliki pembentangan data yang sama dengan pembentangan data dan juga data kita bisa digunakan terutama dengan platform global seperti Global Forest Watch dan juga kita tetap selalu memperbaiki data akurasi kita. Ya, data dari AFREL seperti Anda tahu yang sebenarnya memiliki pembentangan data dan aktivitas data bahwa pembentangan data kita menggunakan pembentangan terutama dan kita menggunakan pembentangan sistem dan sistem ini sebenarnya juga memiliki project di tahun 1980 dan juga kita menggunakan model alometrik untuk menghasilkan dari biomas ke karbon dan di AFREL kedua, kita juga memiliki pembentangan data yang sama dengan pembentangan data yang pertama kita tidak memiliki pembentangan data dari pembentangan data dan juga kita memperbaiki akurasi di biomas menggunakan alometrik dari Manuri ini alometrik memiliki kondisi Indonesia lebih daripada SAFE tetapi kita menggunakan SAFE juga dan juga sekarang kita masih membuat pembentangan dengan FIO proyek FIO dan masih memiliki pembentangan data dan juga kita memiliki pembentangan data juga kita memiliki pembentangan data, kita memiliki pembentangan data dari pembentangan data kita menggunakan pembentangan data dan seperti yang saya bilang sebelum sebelum kita tidak dalam alam kedua kita tidak hanya memiliki akurasi pembentangan data tapi kita juga membuat pembentangan data yang berdasarkan alometrik dan juga kita memiliki pembentangan data dan fisual ya, tolong tolong ya, ini juga slide anda bisa disini kita memiliki pembentangan data yang berdasarkan alam kedua kita memiliki 5 pembentangan data dari pembentangan data yang seperti alam pembentangan data ini juga kita memiliki alam kedua dan juga memiliki akurasi dan konsistensi kita menggunakan menggunakan waktu untuk mengubah dan juga menggunakan dan juga pembentangan data seperti yang saya bilang sebelumnya kita memiliki seperti kita juga memiliki pembentangan data dari alam kedua kita juga memiliki pembentangan data dan juga pembentangan data jadi di pembentangan 2 kita memiliki metode untuk memiliki pembentangan data yang bisa kita menggunakan pembentangan data dari alam kedua dan juga kita memiliki pembentangan data dan akurasi dan konsistensi tapi kita juga memiliki pembentangan data seperti akurasi atau pembentangan data dari alam kedua kita memiliki pembentangan data seperti yang saya bilang sebelumnya ini adalah pembentangan yang dibuat pada alam kedua seperti kita memiliki pembentangan data dan juga akurasi dan konsistensi dan juga pembentangan data dan juga kita juga memiliki pembentangan data dengan pembentangan data dan juga pembentangan data seperti yang saya bilang sebelumnya pembentangan data dari alam kedua seperti akurasi atau peny swear bisa kita memiliki pembentangan data tersebut saya akan memiliki pembentangan data di separuh wifi momennya dan kita memiliki pembentangan data boleh,軟at still visual interpretation but we combine with the automatic data and also we calculate the accuracy of land cover met and also uncertainty in the land cover change and the uncertainty of land cover change we then with the uncertainty of which we know the uncertainty of deforestation from FCPF biosef and also 2nd April have the uncertainty is less than 15% I think is good but we have challenge for degradation and also from reforestation. Yes, please, this is the method for blue sky map. Like I said, the first April is important thing that the first April we just use the like assumption grid method but in here we combine from data from satellite and also hotspot and data from fleet. So I think the accuracy is also more than 85%. Yes, please, I think one slide again. Yeah, this is the message that the data AFRAIL were generated from primary data and completely by other source or secondary data, secondary data set as journal or published paper and also the use of primary data are related to the relationship of scientific approach with operational approach, the estimation or measurement of emission factor and activity data use would done based on the scientific rules on operational activities. Data were generated based on the state-based approach, meaning there are some improvement and shared support on data and method. But one important thing is that all data, the data is processed well or review internationally and scientifically and also the primary data is pure still we generate based on or use a budget of government. Thank you, Pak Ichin. Thank you, Moana. Yeah, that is the last resource persons, the last one that's related with the emission factor and activity data. Basita, do we have any time for the time for discussion? Maybe brief answer will be help us to, yeah. Maybe I invite one, one questions. Otherwise, maybe no one. Yeah, maybe I have questions, maybe just summarize the question for the participants. So, questions to Pak Joko, Bahasa Indonesia Jepak, tadi mungkin terkait juga dengan yang disampaikan oleh which is related to Rudy's question or presentation, how people at the local level can also benefit from trading? BPDH agar dan ini bisa. Is there any additional steps needed so that this fund can be dispersed to the local people? Pak Joko, Orbunia. Pak Joko has to attend another meeting, so I will try to answer in Indonesian. So basically for the director, my director already mentioned about some initial fund. In this case, I think it is more appropriate to discuss about RDD plus fund. So there are two ways to access this fund. In the presentation, we have a fund for incentive NFT, and this will be dispersed by our agency using call proposal. But so far, we are still working to enable activity at the national level. And for provinces that already have RDD plus working group, they have to use this provincial channel. So the program has to use provincial approach with multi stakeholders involvement. While for provinces that do not have RDD plus working group, they can directly approach our agency. But with the endorsement from the local government, provincial government, because later we are going to see, what we are going to see is their contribution to the national frail. That's why it is very important for them to also involve the provincial government. Thank you, Bania. Bania is the director for funding, for fundraising, director for fundraising. Yes. I'm very sorry. Our time is very limited. The organizing committee asked me to stop, so we have to also stop our discussion today. Let's give a round of applause to all of our presenters. Greetings.