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For technical reasons, our adventure has been temporarily interrupted. We hope to be back in operation very soon. Please remain seated. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, your attention please. We regret that our adventure cannot continue at this time. Please follow instructions from our cast members to leave the attraction. Thank you. May I have your attention? Please remain seated. This ride has stopped temporarily and will resume motion at any time. Please remain seated for your own safety. Thank you. The Wicker Man is currently experiencing a delay and we have ceased our ritual. We apologize for any inconvenience, but we are still assessing the interruption. Is it echoing for the viewers? Can we get a check? Is it echoing on someone else's end? If I mute YouTube, then I don't hear the echo. You hear the echo? No, I see you. I'm echoing apparently. Oh, I wonder if it's my two mics picking it up. Yeah, you are echoing. It's the headset mic probably picking up the headphone that you're wearing. Shouldn't be picking it up. Let me just check something quickly. This is going to be an epic tale if I can't fix this in my life. Let's hope. Let me fix one thing first and we'll get to the next. How bad is it echoing? It just sounds like you're speaking twice. Oh, guys, maybe the screen capture is capturing your... Okay, let me try something. Can the Discord people talk and can we see if the people can still hear you? Is it? Are they able to hear you? Guys, can you hear them? There you go. Oh, okay. So the screen capture is capturing guys's audio. Oh my God. The amount of effort we went into that, we can't hear them. Oh, let's try this. Okay, well, they can hear you now. Now it echoes. Interesting. It is that way. My desktop audio is set to zero. I'm just checking something on Discord quickly. Does that fix anything? Nope. Can you guys talk? Now they can't hear you again. Just leave it. It's all good. No, we can fix this. Zack, come on. Help me here. Okay, now they can hear again, right? They can hear you again. I can tell. My application is telling me, but now I just need to figure out how to ensure they don't hear you twice. Now I'm just on my main computer. Give me a sec. This is so frustrating. Oh, wait, Ryan, maybe you're the problem? I think it is. I went really quiet in my headset. All right, you guys talk. See if it echoes. Ryan is the problem. No, I can't hear it. Wait, keep talking? It's coming up on my end. Okay, keep going? I have the podcast on YouTube and I can't hear myself. I hear an echo. That's crazy. Oh my God. Do we end the podcast and try and fix this? Is the discord still public? Anyone could join the discord? I can post the discord link. How about now? How about now? Keep talking? I set the application audio capture to mute. I am muted in the call, which is funny. They're saying they can't hear you, but my streaming software says they can. It's in the green. There we go. That's probably better, right? Oh, I know what to do. I know what to do, but you guys won't be able to. Let me see if this fixes it. Does this fix this? Is there an echo now, but not in discord? Rest of history. I can hear you guys in discord. It fixes it, but you can't hear them. Can't hear VC. Wait, can they hear you now? That's so weird because it shows that they can hear you. It is capturing you. Like try now. Hello. Testing. Can they hear you now? Testing, testing, one, two, three. Hello. Oh, I'm hearing it now. Yeah, I think we're working. Yeah, you can hear it. Yeah, you can hear it. Is there an echo? No, I don't think so. I'm not hearing an echo. No echo anymore. Oh, okay. I don't know what I did, but you know the funny thing is if I switch screens, I think it's going to go back. So let me figure out what setting I just put on the application. Okay, so monitor and output. Yeah, because when you did that, the echo came back just now. Oh, people are saying echo. Yeah. Wait, now there's an echo. Really? That's what they're saying. That's what people are saying in the chat, doesn't echo. Let me try this. Does this fix everything? I just muted my main mic on. I think this is going to fix it. I think I mute my podcast mic. Yeah. Okay, so I think we're good. Yep. There we go. This is gone. Oh my god. How long was that? Was that like 20 minutes of editing? At least. Oh my goodness. Okay, the fun. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, news dropped. Are you all caught up by the way? Somewhat. Is Jasmine all caught up? Because she's in Florida. Okay, so I am somewhat caught up. I was in the middle of watching the video that you posted, I don't know, probably a few hours ago now. So I'm getting caught up. So we saw this happen with Caroline's just to give everyone a rundown. We saw Caroline's about what? 2019, 2020? I think it was like January or February 2020. Okay. So really early 2020, they posted a survey and it was like, would you like aeronautica or would you like this arts themed area? And I guess people voted aeronautica and aeronautica came to life. So Wonderland just dropped some major tea. They did it with their waterslide edition as well, but they are asking guests to vote on which editions they would like to see. We're going to talk in detail about that because I have some opinions, especially on the new Frontier Canada one. But they basically asked, out of the three coasters, which would you prefer? And it's funny, they gave one of the coasters a whole area and theme and everything, but I think it's pretty obvious the answer they're going to get. It's going to be the wing coaster at the end of the day. I can't see a guest voting for the wooden coaster. And I'll explain why, because to be able to get access to that survey, you have to vote. You can't be in the age group of 25 to 35. You can't visit the park more than three times this year. So it literally looks like they don't want any enthusiast input. And you have to rate roller coasters and thrill rides as your most important aspect as visiting the theme park, visiting Wonderland. So that's a very targeted audience they're trying to get information from, which makes me think that the wing coaster is going to be a clear winner. But we'll see. But I have some thoughts on that as well. What do you guys think? Okay, we'll go in order. So Jasmine, what do you think about just that little bit of information about the survey? Okay, so from what I know about marketing and business, you can do surveying for one of two reasons. You can do a really broad survey to genuinely find out what the general public wants, or you can do a really targeted survey, because you know what you want and you know what kind of answer you want to get. And I feel like that's what they're doing here. So I feel like they kind of know what they want, and they basically are looking for confirmation bias. That's what that sounds like to me. I'll pass the mic. Am, you're next. Sorry, I'm editing so I can see you better. I mean, as I don't consider myself a coaster enthusiast by any stretch of the imagination, I'm more in line as a GP. So I would say wing coaster probably sounds like a good idea. And that's really my take, to be honest. In either case, I don't really care either way. But obviously the enthusiast will say, well, wing coaster is a bad idea. Some enthusiasts will say at least. I would say, but for me personally, it doesn't really matter. I'm okay with wing. It's just another version of Yukon in a way. Yes and no. Sorry, I'll let everyone go before I tear into everyone. No, I'm getting Zach, your opinions on the survey. I feel like with the group of people that they are serving, I feel like it's clear that a wing coaster would be chosen. I feel like people seeing this image of a coaster coming out of a mountain is something that would appeal to a lot of people. It is very clickbaity in my opinion. So I feel like that's what would be chosen, obviously. That's just what I feel. Yeah, they also led with it, which I found interesting. Um, next. Um, I'm sorry. Yes, okay. I believe that wing coaster does make sense, first of all, because if you take it from like, not an enthusiast standpoint, a wing coaster is something you've never seen in Canada. Like Yukon, I guess, kind of over the edge, but nothing when the tracks right here and completely on the side, that's nothing you see in Canada. Yes, there's a couple in the US parks in it all over the world, but in Canada, it's super easy to market to honestly everybody because you're not going to go to La Ron. You're not going to see it. You're not going to see Marine land have you're not going to see, uh, in BC, you're not going to see it. So this is going to be like the only place you see a wing coaster, which is pretty cool for the average person to see a coaster that's on the side of the track. Guys, I'm posting the link just because everyone's asking. It will work just just again. I'm not going to review myself. Just answer the specific questions. You will get kicked out of the survey if you answer the wrong question, and then you will not be able to retake it unless you switch to your desktop. All right, Ryan, all right, uh, saving the best for last. I see. So where am I said he's not a coaster enthusiast? I am sort of the complete opposite and I can understand why they wouldn't want our input. We are kind of stupid sometimes. Uh, but to be completely honest, I'm so down for a wing coaster. I would love it out of the ones I've been on. I fairly enjoyed them all. I think gatekeeper is a great ride and a standout ride and cedar points lineup. I know that is a huge, uh, hot take there. I have not tried Thunderbird. I would love to. I can imagine the launch would be great on a wing coaster. So the fact that both of the concepts shown for our park have been launched is really good. Uh, and as Jacob was touching on the whole sort of click bait aspect of it, if you watch any of those like top five scariest coaster videos, gatekeeper is always in them. Uh, and you can bet like the same thing happens with Yukon's right here now. I think that's a very popular choice for them. And you can bet that the one coaster would have that same appeal. I do have some concerns specifically with the blast coaster and, uh, I love Canada's Wonderland. It's my favorite place on earth. So ruining wonder mountain, not ruining wonder mountain, but the sort of that such a large change in that site line is very, very jarring. So I do have my concerns about that, but I am for it. Okay. I just need to counter something because I hate wing coasters and I can't let your comments slide. Um, I would just like to say state that the lineup for gatekeeper at cedar point is not existent now. So I consider it a failed attraction. Suck to suck, I guess. Um, guys, if you the survey link works, if you answer the wrong question, they don't want your feedback. So it's a very targeted survey really targeted. My friend group, we were all like answering questions to try and figure out the right ones to get through. So the right answer for age seems to be like 17 to 24. Um, and so again, that tells you everything too. Cause to me, that tells you they're going after thrill seekers and then you have to answer that thrill rides and roller coasters are the most most important reason you're visiting Wonderland. And then once you get past those two questions, it'll then be like, welcome to a survey. We're going to ask you a bunch of questions about future attractions that we think would be good at Canada's Wonderland. And then it shows you the wing coaster coming out of the mountain and then the concert coaster. And then finally the Zembezi Zinger. There you go. Yeah. Yes. He said it right this time. I mean, the ride is bought. So they're just asking for fun. So Ryan, that is a really important statement right there. So okay, guys, this is where things might go south. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to go to the next stream deck. And when I go to the next stream deck, it might be back to basics, but I know how to fix it. So just give me like 30 seconds max and we'll figure out what's going on. Okay. Here we go. Is it working? Let's see, is it, is it working chat? I think it's working. Chat is our audio equity. I just see that like our discord thing is not dropped properly again. Yeah, I'm, there we go. Sounds good to me. Yeah, it's good. Awesome. Okay, so easy fixes. You are good. So this is the option number one, the only option in my opinion. This was blast coaster. So this looks like a flying or invert coaster in the concept art. And I want to stress that these are just concept arts that were thrown together, except for one of them. One of them is like a really serious, like very well planned out, serious effort went into it thing vision for Canada's Wonderland. And this is like, Hey, this is what's coming in my opinion. And I'm going to explain why and then we'll get through you guys again. So I think this will do it. I'll give my opinion and then you guys can say your opinions and then we'll discuss. So if you guys watched my video today, and I strongly suggest you do watch my video because I, we were at Wonderland. We were told yesterday that there were some new construction markings on Lazy Bear Lodge. And you know me, when there's a new construction marking survey marking, I have to go film it. I need to know its location, where it's facing and everything. And I went to go film this because I was like, if it's on the top of Lazy Bear, they're looking for an overall view over the forest of Whitewater Canyon and they needed a survey point from way back there. Well, we got there and we noticed that all the survey markings were pointing towards that back corner of the mountain. The very back corner where you see the BNM coming out of and then heading into international show plays. And then we saw the really important construction markings. I was telling you guys about in that video, the silver ones, the ones that are there to exactly track the distance from that point to what the swing radius is on the ride. The same ones we saw for Tunga Twister and the Splashworks building and Yukon Stryker supports. It's like a very, they need that number. And that's what that's for, which tells you they have a ride and they have a concept already there. And they're trying to figure out the distance from in their 3D world of what exists there and the distance of it to that structure that you see the silver thing on. So when you see those silver things, something's designed or in the designing process. So they have an element that they're trying to figure out, hey, we have some sort of element in this area. How far is it from this building, this support structure, this ride, this and that. So someone up there just said, well, what does it give if they've already designed the ride? So when I tell you that the 2025 coaster, in my opinion, again, this is just my opinion, is this wing coaster and it's already designed and ready to go. And I don't think that what we choose for a theme really matters. And it's going to be the same layout. I don't think the concert coaster actually is different from the blast coaster in terms of layout. I think it'll just be theme. And that's more so the information they're trying to gather. The second thing I want to say is the concert coaster, which we'll get into later is not in Kingswood. A lot of people assume that was it launching out of Kingswood with the tents there. If you actually look at the tent design, it's international showplaces tents, not Kingswood's tents. So same location. So to me, that says this is 100% the location of the ride. And they're about to start construction on it in 2025, sorry, this December, like I had heard. Now, if this is the coaster that I was hearing about, and if you remember the podcast, I said I didn't know the location of the coaster, but I knew it had a $35 million price tag, which makes sense, especially they're going to be building under the mountain. That's going to be super expensive. Yeah, I don't know. I'm shocked because I thought Frontier Canada was the coaster we were getting, but we'll talk about that in a sec. Jasmine, what are your thoughts on the blast coaster, this first one? I'm with you. I like that option. I mean, everybody already knows how I feel about what we should really get. But I think that our wooden coasters need TLC and that we should keep attention towards keeping the historic rides alive. But that's just me. And I'm very biased on that front. But of what it seems to be, what it looks like, what they're doing, to me, they're on the same level of how interested I am to ride them. But the survey tells me that it's not for me. You know what I mean? If it was for me, they'd be doing what I'm talking about. So I am on board with either one. I think either one would be a really good fit for Wonderland. But this concept that you've shown, I really like. Who was it earlier that was saying, was it Ryan? Were you the one saying, oh, I'm worried about the changing the way things look with the mountain? Okay, my only comment to that is, to me, I had that moment and that heartbreak when they did Guardian, Wonder Mountain Guardian. So I'm over that. I'm like, cool, this looks cool. This is way better than what we got right now interacting with the mountain. Let's go. So that's how I feel. I think I have trust, especially since they're more recent projects with Frontier Canada, in whatever it is that's kind of the core of this plan. And like I said, with my little comment about the marketing, I think, like, you know, most of what's going to happen, they've already decided, they've already designed it, they've already paid for it. I think they're looking for a little bit of input on exactly sort of what we're talking about now with like, what's the better theming? What does it people want to see in regards to this ride around this ride? Just making sure that the audience is aligned with what they're doing so that they can make those small tweaks if needed to make it sort of seem like, hey, this is what you guys wanted, even though we as enthusiasts know they would have started planning this years ago. I think that's all I have to say. Oh, am not in Coaster Enthusiast. What's your opinion? I would say this would be a great addition, simply because, and just a second, what Jasmin was also saying, this would be a great addition, although it would be nice to keep the relics alive, which I would be totally okay with, but this would be an amazing addition to the park itself. And the way it's being portrayed, if this, you know, as accurate as this image may be, even though it is still a concept image, the way it's coming in and the way you see it the way, the minute you enter front gate, it's the first thing you see. You know, right now you're seeing Leviathan, but this may be the first thing you see as soon as you enter front gate. And I think this will add some sort of an appeal to, a different type of an appeal to Wonderland, because I think what I've noticed over the years that I've been going to the park is they're catering more as a family park, which is absolutely fair. It's more of a family park, more of a, not so much a GP park, but more of a park for everyone. So I think this is one of those options where you can say, yes, this will be a good addition, because we have more families coming in, because we have more young people coming in. So it's going to be appealing to a sort of a different clientele. And I think I would basically agree with everything Jasmin has also said. Awesome. Zachariah. No, Zachariah. All right, okay. I completely agree. I think this would be a great addition to the park. Again, I feel like it has that clickbait factor, which is massive for any amusement park out there. I believe that clickbait in general is one of the biggest things a park needs for, for attracting a new audience and something like this coming out of the mouths and it'll look gorgeous. New thing you see as soon as you enter the park. I'm just going to keep it short. That's, I honestly think that's all it is. It's amazing. It would be a great addition. Jacob. Okay. Yeah. I agree with everyone that they, they all like the addition, but I feel like it's also a good middle coaster, because if you look at our lineup, we have, I can't hear him. Can you guys hear him? Hello. Hello. I can hear him. I can. Oh. Okay. You have these 90 foot, maybe 88 foot coasters like Wild Beast, Vortex, and Dragonfire, which are tall, but they're not. And then you go after that, you get, you go, I'm going to take out Flight Deck because no one really likes Flight Deck. So you have these super tall coasters after like Yukon, Bihime, and Leviathan. So there's not really a large middle ground. Like I noticed in other parks, like in Kings Dominion, you have short coasters like Grizzly Twisted Timbers. You have medium coasters like Dominator, and you have big coasters like I 305. So I feel like this is going to a good middle coaster for us, because it's going to be, I personally don't believe it's going to be over 200 feet because, I don't know, that's just what I feel like with the space that they have. But I do feel like it's going to be maybe in the possibly the 160 to 180 range, which is a good middle ground for the park for us, because we don't really have a good coaster that's in that range. So yeah, I do believe it's a good coaster, good addition. Ryan? One thing I'd like to add on to what I said before about my dislike of the Wonder Mountain get the fire away. It worked with Volcano the Blastcoaster. Wonder Mountain is not a volcano, it is a mountain. Take the fire somewhere else. Like it's cool that you want to invest in like special effects. Get the fire away now. But there's a dragon, you know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, I think Jasmine, me and Am can attest to this. Wonderland has had fire on the mountain during the eruption years. That is true. I did forget. I love that. Remember that lights would start flickering in the park, and then the music of rumbling would start playing, and then the mountain would start erupting with fireworks and flames and. Yep. Yeah, I have comments all over the internet saying that they need to bring the eruption back for some big anniversary or something. That show was epic. I could see why Ryan's saying on the everyday don't do the fireworks. It's not a volcano, and I agree with that. But I think it was a very cool event that they should do again. Yeah. No, everyone pick in the concert coaster, and you need to go. No, no, no. Okay, we'll talk about that when we get to the section. I'm going to rant. Okay, everyone spoke on blast coaster. Yeah, I think so. Okay, so same thing. Give me a second. Oh, wait, no, it should be a really quick fix. Okay, we're going over. I'm going to get a case. Delete the old people. Whoa. Okay, so this is my idea of where the wing coaster is going to go based off of current survey markings that we found today. And then also, I'm going to check somewhere tomorrow, but down by back lot, there's a nice green, hardly used area that I think they could also bring this thing if they needed to. As you can see down there in the bottom right. So obviously, this topic of discussion for this section of the podcast is there isn't a lot of land for what people, you know, when people think BNM, they think Leviathan's pot of land and Behemoth's pot of land and even Yukon, you know, it wouldn't fit in this pot of land either, but we are thinking a launched wing coaster. This thing is not going to be the longest thing you guys can imagine. It is going to end up being a pretty short coaster, in my opinion. We don't know, but the $35 million price tag does have me a little confused. I'll know more in December, but I mean, I don't see much of what's going to go on here unless this is a pretty compact design and they really do go over each other a lot. Yeah. I am actually, as we speak, working on a concept in Planet Coaster above like the overlay like one to one scale. And yeah, they can fit quite a bit in here. I may have taken a bit, some creative liberties. I have it going over chicken shack, but I'll have to show you when I'm done. I know I'm playing catch up here, but how, how like sure are we that this is a wing? Because I know we keep talking about that, but I'm just mentioning because when you said 30 million, that's roughly how much Velosa Coaster is for just the coaster, not the theming. Yeah. I think it's like both surveys, both concepts said wing coaster. So I think like they made up their mind they want to launch one. Don't disappoint people just stick to it. That was why guys, I had the image of Velosa Coaster and me looking all sad at the beginning of the podcast. Everyone was like, why do you have Velosa Coaster? I'm feeling the same way right now hearing the more details I'm like, but it should have been Velosa Coaster. I would like to add real quick about in terms of length. So while Gatekeeper is something like 4,100-ish feet long, you got other launched wing coasters like got Thunderbird. It's only 3,000 feet. So it does not need a super long, super big plot of land. It could make do with a pretty small plot of land, something like what's on the screen right now. Yeah. I mean at the end of the day, they could also remove extreme sky flyer. It doesn't do well anymore and extend it all the way out that way. But I don't think you need to with a launch wing coaster. I think you can keep it pretty compact. But if you look at my red area, it does kind of head out towards extreme sky flyer. But you know what's interesting? I will tell you and I was scared. If you remember at the beginning about like four podcasts, three podcasts ago, I was starting to panic that we were going to get an intimate little childish launch coaster in the basement of the mountain because this giant generator showed up outside the mountain, which is a sign that they're about to essentially cut the power to the mountain so that they can work on power and run essentially that section of the park off this giant diesel generator. So that was sign number one that something was about to happen that I should have committed to being like, okay, construction is about to start on the mountain. Sign number two is every time Wonderland builds things on the outer edges of the park or in little tiny subsections of the park, they don't do well. Tundra twister is falling victim to that. What do you call it? That axe ride? Lumberjack. Lumberjack is victim to that. The other side of the park is victim to that in the morning until later on. So Wonderland could be looking to, you know, maybe building something on the very outer edge of the park where action theater is could be scary to them. You know, maybe they want to keep something cool like this closer to home. We'll touch a little bit on the yes. On that point, that's very true because theme park design is a lot like designing a mall with a mall. You need to have, they call them anchor stores, which are like big box stores on any like end of a major pathway or artery in the mall. So with smaller malls, you usually see like one on either side. If it's a big mall, you might see like three or four and theme parks are like that. You need something to lead people all the way to the end of the path, but that's something also can't just be like a dead end or something small because they either won't go there or they'll go there and people will feel like lost like this pathway leads to nowhere type of thing. So you're totally right. And I think that particular pathway, it's kind of a two four because it does come around and connect to splash. So I think it was a way to alleviate traffic with that. But it also led to white water. And so there's, well, this area Kingswood that we're looking at on the screen right now, but there's also that same. So there's, there's those two dead end feeling areas in the park right now, because they used to have a thing that was like an anchor that's no longer an anchor. So I agree that we need, we need that. Yeah. Yeah. What's also interesting though is they're going to be removing international show play. So one of like three theaters left at the park. So now we only have the castle theater and playhouse. And that's really interesting to me because entertainment is so important at Canada's Wonderland. But the sub category to this is I haven't seen this theater fill up this year. Have they noticed that people aren't going to this one anymore? But yeah, Canterbury is like the last like adult theater theater. And then they obviously have the pirate ship and Med Fair. So if they do this, I think there's going to have to be a replacement somewhere. And is that what's going on in World Expo in the King'swood area? And I just ask, because I haven't been to the park this year, obviously, what do they do to draw people to the theater? Because they used to back in like the Paramount days, and I noticed this phased out. And then I moved in, you know, so I don't have up to date information. But they used to do like announcements around the park of like when the next show times are like what's going on. And I feel like I don't recall them doing that in more recent years. And it just feels like they're not really pushing people and giving people a reason to go see the entertainment stuff, except for putting it in the park map. And who even looks at those these days? Yeah, they don't. I'm pretty sure they don't there's no announcements anymore. I haven't heard an announcement in years. I think the only time there are no park maps anymore. So I think it's like literally nothing. Okay, got it. There's just signages in the pathways, but that's really it. Okay, it's working now. Oh, is it back guys? Dustin fixed. Good. Brack. Okay, perfect. I don't know what happened. It just dropped our I saw the application audio capture device was like not recognizing us either. Um, all right, who was the whole time? Well, no, because I've been watching chat. No. It essentially cut out when we were just talking about no signage and um, how they need to um, yeah. So I guess someone brought it up guardian. What does this mean for wonder mountains guardian? I think wonder mountains guardian is so trash at the park who literally doesn't care. And this it obviously has to go now. The only reason I think that it might not be going is some of those silver distance markings are on the support structure for guardian. So I don't know why you would need to track the distance from a guardian support. Um, uh, if you're going to get rid of it, you know what I mean? So I did, but that raises the question. How is this going to work? Like I only offered to take it out. Do you guys? So I wanted to introduce some people to this. So do you guys see this roadway beside international show place going in and under the mountain? Mm hmm. That to me is the only option if they were to expand that and launch you in there and you'd come out on the farthest north point of the mountain just past vortex's um, turn like lift hill and turn and then work your way back over. That is that is the only thing, but that is a major construction project. That means support columns going down through the mountain structure and I don't know, like where were they placed the station there? There is also the option. So vortex is about to be all of vortex's little turns are about to be invaded by BNMs. There's the option of it coming out of the turn on the top of the mountain of vortex. I think it's possible. Do you mean going over vortex's as it reaches the top of the lift hill? Yeah, like it would come up in between where the lift hill and then the drop is there's that little curve. It would come up in between. But I have no idea where they're going to fit this thing. But what's interesting is the the concert coaster a part of this. Yeah, does anyone else have anything to talk about or input on the location of the wing coaster? Yeah, I was I was wondering where is the station going to go if they don't like for let's say for the concert coaster, if they wanted to go through international showcases that as what you can kind of see in the in the rendering, where would they put the station? Would they be able to be underground or would it be like? No, so I think that the building you see the white tent and then behind the white tent, there's like a building structure there. What's funny is, do you guys remember my construction updates right as the park was opening? This year you might not. Don't be embarrassed to say no, don't worry. Do you remember that they were working on electrical behind international show place and chicken shack? Yeah, they're working on upgrading the electrical. So to me that says the station and the break run and that are going to be somewhere around that building behind international show place. So they would probably remove that and then build a station there and then it would kind of like turn and launch out of international show place. But again, that is just that is just art renderings and everything can change. I mean, like that could just be a cool animation for the theme of the ride and they're going to make the station look like international show place. They're not going to actually use international show places. The way it works right now, you see all those little cords coming down from international show place. How do you launch a wing coaster through all those strings and wires and all that, right? That seems like a safety hazard to me. They would build something more permanent. But again, it is just a rendering. We can't take what you see in the rendering with seriousness. But we'll talk about the concert coaster in a second. Any like questions or comments on the location? Yes. So I would like to add, Ryan, you've been doing that build of this concept, right? And on the topic of where it could come out of from the mounts and would you like to describe what you've been doing for that? There is an encey little point in between the very end of Vortex's turn and one of like the spikes coming up. That could sort of fit it where I snuck it through. Would that require modification of the mountain? It would require the entire removal of Wunder Mountains Guardian, absolutely. Yes. No matter what they do, this mountain is about to be invaded. B&M supports in track going through this thing. They're about to make some serious modifications. And maybe that's the price tag. Maybe $35 million isn't for just the coaster, you know? What was the price tag of Thunderbird and all that that you guys looked up again? Just a Thunderbird or $28 million. It was $22 million, USD. And for now, inflation is $28 million. So that adds up. And then you have millions in there for the refurbishment of the mountain, right? It needs it. And you don't want to put a showcase attraction in a mountain and not have the waterfalls working. And so I think that this is a whole project and Cedar Fair was like, okay, how can we add something in to also rejuvenate... What's the word I'm looking for? Rejuvenate. So this is a good... Yeah, $35 million Canadian. I want to say too that I'm somewhat aware that they've been working on the structural parts of the mountain since roughly just before Cedar Fair bought the park. And y'all can choose whether or not you want to believe me on that information, but I think even Grace has probably mentioned it if I recall correctly in an interview that they have done some work inside the mountain. It was known back when I worked at the park and had family that worked at the park that the mountain on the inside was not in good shape back then. And I'm talking like 2005, 2006. It was not in good shape. It was like you want to put a hard hat on if you're walking in there. And that was a big part of what some of the behind the scenes, like regular maintenance money was going towards from my understanding. And of course, I wasn't as interested in the business side of things back then, but putting it together now. There was talk about it in the offices and I know for a fact that it had to happen. And so it's very possible that if Cedar Fair took over and in more recent years, if they've still been doing some of that work, because it was it was not like everything needs to be done overnight type of thing, but it was things need to slowly, you know, be brought up to snuff type of thing. And so it's very possible that they could still do regular work on the interior of the mountain maintenance wise, just to make sure it's ready for these types of additions. And they could have been planning for something like this for a while. So yes, part of that 30 million, whatever budget could be going towards mountain work, but also it's possible that they've already done that and like kind of snuck it into other budgets for years leading up to this. Just just a little thought. Yeah. I mean, for those of us who attended Roller Coasters A last year, which in here, I think it was just you and I, Brendan, but we saw the condition of like at least just one of the staircases in Wonder Mountain. And it was something. So sketchy in parts. Oh yeah. You guys are only seeing like a small percentage of the mountain. So who knows what they're doing in other parts. But I know for sure back then, like structural work had to be done. So I'm sure there was some like repairs happen between then and now. Just to give you guys some context that you that may not know. So you see the mountain, right? And you think the basement of the mountain is either smaller than the mountain or the same size in the mountain. But what a lot of you viewers may not know is when you approach the mountain on either end, do you guys notice that the pathways create like a bubble? Like they go up. And that's because the basement of the mountain is actually so much larger than the mountain itself. There is so much room down there that they could build. And it was always said like two to three coasters technically in the basement of the mountain, not like full scale BNM coasters, but you could fit like three attractions down there. It's so big. They use it right now for paramount storage, all the old stuff storage. There's haunted houses down there, two of them. And some of the longest haunted houses may I add. So it's very big. Lots of videos of people talking about the utilidores at Disney World. Like it's some kind of legend and like it's so creepy down there. Like that's what Wonder Mountain's basement is like. It's like what those videos think the utilidores are like. That's actually Wonder Mountain's basement. Are we talking like Amazon warehouse type stuff? Yeah, it's big. Like from what picture the arches on either end, that's like, that's the basement you're walking over. Have you ever been down there, Benjamin? Like personally down there? No. I feel like that's a story I don't want to be a part of. Wonder Mountain would lure me down there and then trap me and then it'd be known as like a troll in the dungeon. Surviving 24 hours in Wonderland basement challenge. But let's talk. So people are worried about vortex, Wonder Mountain's guardian and Thunder Run. I can tell you that Thunder Run is going nowhere because they spent a lot of money on a brand new maintenance shed for Thunder Run. So they didn't have to get a crane and remove the trains every season. So now it has its own maintenance shed. So that's not going anywhere. They wouldn't do that if it was. To vortex, it's not going anywhere. Like it ain't going anywhere. That ride is from what I know from people in the industry is that rides a tank. It's one of their favorite rides. It and Dragonfire actually as sadly as sad as that is. Apparently those two require next to no maintenance. They just work. They're great and they're reliable. But yeah, Wonder Mountain's guardian, I can see going. The only reason I don't think it is is those silver little surveying points. There'd be no point in tracking the distance for something if it was if it was going to go. You know what I mean? Like why? You're like, oh, this column's going anyways. Okay, but what if they try to track the distance and it's like, oh, it's going to hit it. We got to take it out. I get a dream. I get picture Jasmine getting a job on the construction team and just accidentally backing her dump truck into the water. Nothing to see here. What a shame, guys. I accidentally destroyed part of Guardian. I guess we got to get rid of it now. What a shame. All right. This beautiful thing. Can they hear us? Yes, they can. The concept coaster. Two of us on the bottom left. Nope, it's fixed. I know I'm a little behind still. My brain is not understanding this concept. Potentially interacting with the mountain and or where Kingswood is. Is that what they're saying? So this is just concept art, but I think that my assumption and again, take this with a grain assault, both coaster designs, the themes, blast coaster and thing would have the same coaster design. I can't see how they wouldn't. Like, you know what I mean? Like, where would you put it? Like, did you really have what? Like, did you really come up with one concept that's underground and then one concept that's above ground? And then how does the above ground one fit? Because how are all of these concepts that they're throwing out and things that they're having people vote on, like they're so all far from each other? You know what I mean? It's not even like they're all along the same theme type of thing. Like, they're so different. How is this going to fit into that area of the park in the theming? Because they're trying to redo expo and stuff. And like, I'm assuming they're trying to get the theming amped up and get it together on all different areas of the park, not just Frontier Canada. That's apparently echoing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, it could be me. I don't have a noise gate. Let me try this. Is this working? Did this fix the problem guys? Testing. I think so. It was for some reason, my computer was picking up a mic somewhere else, even though, yes. Okay. That is so every time I switch streams, it's like picking something up my mic right now, I just want to prove is muted. See it flashing. That means it's muted. I don't know what I don't probably picking up a webcam microphone. That's true. So this is this is going to be my two cents. Hear me out guys, because I think I have it on the dot. This concept art you see here, I actually just as of right now pieced it together. I don't think this means the launch is coming out of Kingswood, or sorry, International. I think this is literally just concept art to show it that it's a concert theme. And they use the International show building to show that it was like a concert theme. I think the emphasis is on onboard audio theme to Canadian artists, and it would do the same thing. Like it would launch out of Wonder Mountain, blah, blah, blah. I think this is literally just concept art to get the idea in your head that it's a concert. And it's a Wonderland concert. And yeah, with Canadian artists, I think it'd be good to notice worth to say it is Canadian artists. So if there was onboard audio, it'd be stuff like a rush playing, for example. Yeah. But like rip ride rocket with maybe you get to choose who knows what maybe that'll be a cool feature. You get to choose the song you play. Or maybe each ride is a different light show or each ride is maybe different effects that you get. Maybe there would be, let's say, three bands or four bands rush, knuckleback, maybe, I don't know, Brian Adams, they're all Canadian. Hipped, man. I need to slow you guys down for a second. I need to slow your roll. This is Wonderland we're talking about guys. This isn't Universal Studios. You get to pick your Evanescent soundtrack and different lighting effects are going to happen. Wonderland can't even get the main lighting effects to work. So Wonderland can even get back a lot of work. Yeah, but one can dream, one can dream. But yeah. So this is why I think this proves to me that the Wing Coaster is a for sure thing. And it's 2025 because they have two concepts for the same thing. Almost similar to the water slide that's coming next year where they were asking people to pick the three different names for the water slide. To me, this is them presenting a launched Wing Coaster and they're like, Hey, pick the theme. We don't know. But yeah, I love the idea of onboard audio. I love it. But what does a concert have to do with Frontier Canada? That's what I'm saying. It makes no sense with where they're putting it in the park. These options that they're giving us. Some of them make sense and some of them are like, what? That's the part that I don't get is like, why are you putting options that don't make sense even on the list? If it was the World Expo, sure, right? Right. That's why I'm like, I'm trying to piece together. Where's the station going to be? Because it could make a difference if the station, even though most of the Coaster may be in one area, if the station is in another area and that's where most of the theming is, then I guess you could pull it off. If a talking Wonderland wants to be themed as an example, if they were. This doesn't make sense for that area. Not at all. Could you imagine if you get on in the concert? Options you have are like a bunch of twangy, like old Western tunes from Frontier Canada. It's like nothing modern at all. Nobody you know. It's just Brendan singing. But also I actually disagree. I don't even think World Expo would be a good fit for this, right? Because World Expo is supposed to showcase other cultures and not like Canadian music. You know what I mean? Yeah. So when these were first sort of revealed, this one was my favorite because I have this whole sort of idea in my head that it would be for Kingswood because Kingswood was always a part of World Expo. That's why if you remember like the look of the Kingswood bathrooms they fit in, I had this whole idea for Kingswood, but that's not the case. One person said no audio, but I think people can still hear us. That's weird. I keep seeing one person saying no audio here and there. Don't worry about it. Okay. Here's a crazy idea. Here's a blue sky. It's a really crazy idea. I'm trying to figure out again where exactly they're going to put this station because that usually is where kind of what leads the direction of the theming of the ride, right? Because some coasters, you know, like Leviathan goes heck and far. So I'm thinking, again, based on this, and I know this is just concept art, based on the concept art, based on what we were just talking about to do with Wonder Mountain and the basement, they could, I don't traffic wise, I don't know if it's smart, but they could have the station for this where international show place is. And that is the only thing to me that would make this theme make sense. If they keep it basically what international show place has always been, and you go up on stage and you load into the ride from the stage, like I'm literally looking at a park map right now and being like, where are they putting this thing makes, like there's, like you were saying, there's not a lot of space to work with. But that is possible because it's not really in use much, like you were saying, it's not as popular as it once was, they could put shows elsewhere, they could do other types of shows, maybe more like meet and greet type character things instead of scheduled shows. But Blue Sky, this is where I'm going crazy with this, everyone buckle up. It would make sense that from there, you actually do have, I believe, access to the basement, like you're technically on top of the basement in that area, or at least close to it, they could go straight underground from the station and launch out of the mountain. Like time traveler do a 90 degree time traveler type. I think that's what it, I think that's the only option, right? I think it is an interact with the mountain, the mountain nothing else seems to make sense to me, just looking at that. It has to, and that is so clickbait, like a wing hoster with a lighting package coming out of the mountain in an Imelman would be like, everyone would be like, oh my goodness, where's Leviathan? I don't see it. It would make the SNS 40 free spins look like child's play. In the eyes of the GPU, I feel. Yeah. It's wonderland. Nothing needs a theme to make sense. Yes, it does. They said that they want to become a theme part. So I don't mean to theme park shift and not take that into account. Yeah. I'm fat. If this concert coaster, yes, it's going to be cool at the end of the day. It would. I don't want it. Yeah. It's too generic. It's giving, like, yeah. His name Eisner is going to just pop up out of somewhere. Hey, you guys make me feel like a concert coaster. Do I have permission to start a mosh pit in the queue line? No, but you know, it's funny. So Cedar Fair hires the universal design guy, right? For all their new themed areas. This has rip ride rocket written all over it. Like the guy needs to I mean, I would say more Hollywood dream, but yeah. But let's get to a really case. So I have a lot to say on this and I'm scared. I'm quaking. Like I'm really quaking over this concept. Is this is a time? So I don't know if you saw this, Jasmine. It's time. I saw the concept art. That was how far I got in the video. And then it was like stream starting and I panicked. You should put the put the stuff in the top left. It covers the cameras in the top left. It'll cover the least amount. Okay. So here we have like a not spare Disneyland level themed area that Wonderland has proposed to its pass holders. It's beautiful. And honestly, if you read the right description, it sounds epic. It's a boring family coaster. Yes, but it has an epic ending according to the description where the mind's going to like blow up or something and something's going to happen. What's machete and it's very much giving Mr. Timbers shed. It's just going to be a block. No, but the new Cedar Fair, the new Cedar Fair, I trust them. It's going to be way better. And then you get this gorgeous, like absolutely stunning area. Like it's insane. So this is where I find it really tricky because the me who's bored of Wonderland wants the wing coaster, the launch wing coaster. But then the theme park enthusiast me is like, this is everything I've ever wanted. But the good news is, did we disconnect? Oh, no, there we are. No. Sorry, that might have been me. My internet went out. No worries. I think we're getting both. I think that the wing coaster being so soon, and I'm having two concepts, that's why we saw what we saw. But Wonderland and Cedar Fair having such a drawn out concept for something like this tells me this is already been planned. It's already in the works and this is what they want. And they're just trying to gauge how well this would do and if they need to make any modifications to this. So for example, the coaster would be really easy to change here. I think this themed area is what Cedar Fair wants. And that's done. That's a done deal. But if you notice, they just placed copied and pasted Zim BZ Zinger essentially, like concept art into that back there and that they could change that coaster design however they wanted. And they're just gauging how people felt about it in the email. So someone asked, auto corrected, someone asked, isn't this already surveyed? So I want to explain something. We figured this out in Discord. You guys are assuming this is Whitewater Canyon, correct? That's what it looks like. How many of the viewers are thinking this is Whitewater Canyon's area? Type one in the chat if you think it's Whitewater Canyon. Type one in the chat if you think it's Whitewater. So we're seeing some ones. Oh, yeah. We're seeing a lot of ones. A lot of ones. We're seeing only ones. Oh, yep. There you go. Well, some of them are 1000. That's very far off. We see two people thinking that it's not Whitewater. It's not Whitewater. It's not Whitewater, guys. Now, we don't know this for sure, but I can confirm this isn't Whitewater. I can tell you these rivers are very obvious about where it is. So this is actually down by Mindbuster. This is located in Mindbuster's plot of land. Yeah. I know. It's shocking, right? If you look really closely, this is the river that flows along Mindbuster. So essentially, what I think the proposal silenced, oh, water pipe. If you remember, I've long been predicting that. I know, Jess. No, you already know. You already know what I'm going to say. Jasmine made a video. No, okay. You guys are video. I don't even, I'll let you video calls this out exactly. So you guys can just wait and see because it's not, I'm not even a little bit surprised. I was like, they're going to do a pretty good job. I think that they want to expand the water park and to remove Mindbuster, you get two purposes out of removing Mindbuster. You get a dry park expansion in the Helix, Lift Hill and Station area along the river. And you get a water park expansion at the turnaround section as well. So it's very beneficial, similar to Carolin's removing theirs. They better put another wooden coaster and that's all I'm saying. Yeah, which is exactly this GCI, very family. And it makes sense, right? You're removing essentially a family wooden coaster to replace it with a family wooden coaster. And then they get to build this whole epic entrance into Frontier Canada. Honestly, I'm okay with it because it looks beautiful. Not the type of coaster I wanted, but from the survey we could tell, I am not the demographic they're talking to right now. So I'm going to interrupt real quick. I'm seeing people who are shocked that Mindbuster has a river. If you look at Google Maps or if you go to the park, for example, on the entrance of Frontier Canada where Mindbuster is, you go over a bridge. That is the river that we are talking about right now. That's a creek. I feel like they definitely extend, but they could also wonder, they could also do landscaping. They could landscape it to make it wider. They could take down trees. It feels like, get it where you mean by like, it feels very, I guess, small and compact. But it's Wonderland. We know what they can do. They can make something look from really not like, pretty to look at Frontier Canada when the sky rider, there was no theme or nothing. And then now you look in 2019, 2020, it's beautiful. So we in Wonderland can do so much things that we don't even know. I don't know if I agree with this. I have a differing theory that the river you actually see is a part of Whitewater Canyon. Because it completely matches up in the way that the river turns, the way that the river is shaped with, you know where the waterfall is? Yeah. That's where that bridges in the concept art. So they would completely like strip it down and remove everything. But the river, the shape of the river in the concept art is the exact same shape as Whitewater Canyon is in that exact location. Wait, but if you look at the full animation, the river doesn't go anywhere in the bottom left, bottom center. You're right about that. Yep. I would also like to add that the reason, another reason why this is could be matched up to Mindbuster area is that you see a little village area, a little town square to the bottom left. And to me, this kind of looks like it could be like that bridge to go over there is that bridge next to Mindbuster. And then the area is maybe the area around Coasters Dinan or drive in, I don't know what it's called. It's Coasters though. That's what the area looks like it is. Now there is a possibility. Okay. And so this, to me, this screams Mindbuster's area. There is the possibility this is Whitewater Canyon's area and it's just going to completely get bulldozed and Whitewater isn't a part of Wonderland's future. But I don't see that as a possibility. And that is a lot of tree removal. One you can just literally fit this where Coasters, Orbiter used to sit, Mindbuster, and the Coca-Cola refresh and the bridge, essentially. So either of those options just means that this concept art is leaving it vague enough for us not to be able to do it because either of those options means like they're planting a ton of trees to make it look like a forest or they're going to have to spend a significant amount more than the regular construction budget to like work around trees because this is showing us a bolt forest right here. Yeah, this isn't... Oh, sorry, keep going. No, I'm just saying it. So the concept art is kind of vague either one way or the other. It's going to be hard to tell. This isn't MedFair guys because the description in the survey says this is like Frontier Canada essentially and it talks about a mining co. Basically you're like on a mining expedition essentially. Another nice thing I point out is I believe you've spoken about this right and something about a town, a city in lore, right? Could that potentially be this outpost, this little town we have in the bottom left of the image? Yeah, the Dawson City rumors? City, yeah. It doesn't need Dawson City. It doesn't actually look like Dawson City at all. It looks like very old mining camp. All right, yeah. Dawson City has like... It looks like there's a graveyard in the bottom left. It does, it is. Yeah, it is a graveyard, yeah. It's for the riders. Where do I buy a spot for when I eventually go? That's literally all of the Wonderland YouTubers that just Wonderland gets rid of. They're like, we're sick of you. This will be like, we know how Banshee, Kings Island has a little graveyard and we have a son of beast there. A sky rider, mind buster, wild beast. It also reminds me a little bit of the one at Nautz. Yeah. The less deserty. But I don't know, just the look of this is giving me whitewater area, for sure. Even the way they kind of made it look like rapids in the water. That little shed there at the bottom, I'm like, what is that for? Are there one of those along whitewater somewhere that I'm not thinking of? I feel like I'm going to have to compare options. Yeah, I think this is the entire image that you're seeing right now. That's not a shed. That is a bridge. That is like the bottom of the bridge. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just the images of being shown. Yeah, yeah. So someone asked, is this for 2028? So essentially what I think you guys are going to see, and I know a lot of coaster enthusiasts outside of Wonderland are not going to agree with this and they don't like it. But I think Wonderland is actually going to be heading into a really big transition 10-year period where you're going to see like $500 million thrown at the park. And you're going to see coasters being built like every other year or every two years, every like two to three years essentially. To be honest, you might even see some back-to-back years. It looks like Wonderland and honestly looking at the wait times at the parks. Wonderland really is holding up the chain lately, like in a significant way. The American parks are struggling whereas Wonderland is bringing in the guests, the attendance, the spending, keyword spending. We have some of the highest fast lane numbers in the chain now. And that is everything to Cedar Fair because that is literally free cash. There is next to no cost for the business to run fast lane so that is 100% profit for a chain like Cedar Fair. On top of that, Wonderland has a significant growth opportunity that has essentially no weaknesses outside of its own self, its own down flaws. So it's surrounded by the GTA, suburban cities, a lot of immigration coming to this country. A lot. Isn't it like 300,000 per month right now? I think it's something massive like that. 300,000 immigrants coming to the country, which is great. I'm not crapping on that anyone. Don't cancel me because what that means and they're all coming essentially to Ontario and please no one in the comments section comments on that please. This isn't a discussion for that. But what that is a sign for a company like Wonderland is growth. Like you have the ability to draw in a lot of these people. So a park like Wonderland is the best park for Cedar Fair to invest in. I don't care if the Americans disagree in here watching. This is the park to invest in. It is also really cheap for them to invest in right now, which does counter itself when it comes to profiting off the park as well. They do lose profits when exchanging that dollar. But in terms of investing in the park, they're saving essentially like 25 to 30% off of their costs from spending USD on Canadian construction. So definitely it is the time and you're seeing it. Like everyone in here right now, have you ever seen a time where Wonderland is building things continuously during the season? Like there are restaurants being built right now. Yes, pizza pizzas and stuff like that, but there's pizza pizzas being built for Halloween haunt. Like I've never heard of that. They're literally building a pizza pizza to alleviate haunt crowds, like make more money off of haunt crowds. They're turning these random things, winterfest sheds that were only for winterfest into like snack shacks. They're painting like and redoing cell tower signs in the middle of the season. Like this isn't something I've ever seen really happen in the Cedar Fair or Wonderland chain at least. The one I've never seen happen. I'm sorry, I need to not talk. I just saw someone. I really hate seeing Wonderland play it safe. Do you see what's on the screen in front of you right now? Do you see what's on the screen in front of you right now? Yes, I get it. It's a family coaster. But are you missing what's on the screen in front of you right now? Because this doesn't look like Wonderland to me, which means it's not playing it safe. Yeah, it's just not the type of risk that you personally might want. But it certainly is a big leap that they're doing. It's just like, you know, I'm going to look at this and be like, but it's not at RMC. They're not taking the risk. I want them to take sure. But it is a risk that they're taking. It is a big leap that they're doing with something this big. I 100% agree with you, Jason, when it comes to the coaster. Yes, I agree. It would be awesome to see, you know, a really awesome fire and all that. But like, girl, this is not Spray Farm slash Disneyland coming to Canada. You want to know what this looks like to me? I know Ryan doesn't like me saying this, but it looks like Disney Sea. There last week, literally Disney Sea, it looks exactly like Lost River Delta. If any of you know this area that the park looks like. Go look up Lost River Delta. It looks like that except minus the temple. That's what I'm getting reminded of here. They're going for full theming, and that is going to attract a more family audience. So it makes sense if you're doing a big, hugely themed immersive ride like that to put it on a family ride, not like a super high-thrill ride. Not to say that Wonderland obviously, majorly has a high-thrill type of audience, but they're trying to grow in a very specific direction. So this makes perfect sense. I think what we're all missing here, and I just realized it, there's characters in this concept. It looks like the Knottsbury Farm Ghost Town alive experience mixed in with this coaster. Kind of like Forbidden Frontier, that's your point. Yeah, even though that flopped, but that was the wrong park to do that at. It's not a family park. It's a thrill park. But doing that at Wonderland without needing as much labor as Forbidden Frontier needed because they had all those ropes courses and all that, doesn't look like there's any ropes courses here. Looks like it's literally just an adventure. We can go around and talk to some characters. I think that's great. I think this is exactly what Wonderland needs for the families. We have a lot of tourists at Wonderland too that like those experiences, those Instagram experiences that they can throw up on TikTok and Instagram. So I think this would do really well and I 100% see this for 2027, 2028. Don't forget also, you're speaking about tourists. What do we have happening in I believe 2026? We have the World Cup happening here in Canada. We have games happening in Toronto. That is a massive tourism draw. That's huge. We're going to be getting a lot of people coming to Wonderland from there. And I don't think a lot of people know this, but the Department of Tourism gives a lot more grants when stuff like that is happening in a year. Like that year, tourism businesses will get more money from the government in whatever ways they're able to apply to. So yeah. And I just going back to the whole theater shows declining. If they were to take those actors and costumers and whatever and put their energy towards having in-park walk around characters, I would be okay with that switch. If like the theater shows aren't doing so hot and they're like, we still want entertainment. We still want to be a theme park with themed actors and stuff like that and have them be walk around characters in the park or sort of like when you're in Disney and there's little like mini shows happening. Like you'll see the Jammeter is doing a show when you're walking through Epcot. You'll see the the Dapper Dan singing a show when you're walking down the Magic Kingdom. Like it's not a major show like you don't have to go into a theater or anything. People stumble across it and it keeps the crowds busy and it helps to alleviate lineups. It definitely serves a purpose and if that's what they're looking at doing with something like this and why there's conversation happening around theater shows not doing as well, I would be okay with that shift. I think it would be really cool. Basin, trust me, I would prefer those rides so much. But I think we all have to remind ourselves what our home park is. Our home park is Canada's Wonderland located literally in the suburbs where there are families left, right, center, top, below of this park. Their target audience is the families. And that is, that's for us coaster enthusiasts because you're never going to get the top fill dragster. You're never going to get the intimate multi-launch that makes everyone throw up. I mean, look at our park, people throw up on Yukon Striker all the time. That's not intense at all. In fact, I saw someone throw up on Wild Beast the other day and that's when I knew we had a problem. Okay, I'd just like to bring back Whitewater Canyon one more time because I am now 100% that what you are seeing there is that turn on Whitewater Canyon because you guys brought up the fact that the river ends, right? It ends right at the point where the tunnel is, where the current, the part where you walk over the ride, they would be expanding that entire area into a plaza where all of the trees and stuff are. Brendan, I don't know if you're able to look at Discord right now, but I posted a comparison between the shape of the river and the concept there and the shape of that part of Whitewater Canyon. They match up perfectly. Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. In your favor, in your favor, in your favor, shut up. You switched my decision. No, no, no, no, no, actually. No, you're actually going to scare my audience now because the video I was supposed to make yesterday, remember the video I was supposed to make yesterday? With the old construction markings in Whitewater Canyon's forest? Yeah. That from 2021? Oh, yeah. They're in that area. So this is coming first? Shut up, Jasmine. No. I'm leaving, I'm leaving. Oh, I don't know. But the thing is, but wait, wait, but since there's, from the surrendering, they could be, they don't have to be serving the coast. They could be serving other things because it's just- No, the Whitewater Canyon saying is true. That like, this makes sense. Look, the old lookout point, where the waterfall is, that actually almost looks like water coming down from those stones too, but I can't tell. So what are they going to do with Whitewater? Are they going to get rid of it? Are they going to make like an interactive part? It's in the concept art. It would perfectly work. It looks like they're going to enhance its theming. It looks like they're going to actually give it life. And that's the infield right there that they're going to- No, the only thing is, where does the queue on go? Yeah. That's, it's a wonderland. On the topic, by the way, of what we would get first, I believe we would get the wing first. We have those markings you were talking about, Brendan there, but also I believe getting in something that's higher capacity, like a wing coaster is more important before tourism season like 2026 is going to be. But let's counter that. This was surveyed in 2021, this area. If it's Whitewater- But we, have you seen any silver things over like- Yeah, flying canoes. Flying canoes is electrical building has one on it. But that is weird because then this wooden coaster wouldn't be anywhere near that. Yeah, it would be in a pretty small area. That could be for theming though, because if that whole area is getting like, some of the pathways might have to change and stuff. But I thought silver was only for like moving objects. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I can confirm that this is not the location. Sorry, this is great. I'm okay with this. The height requirements of where this is located is impossible for it to be located there. It's next to the highway. There's a no build zone. Mm-hmm. Isn't, but while I mean like Silver Streak exists. It's- Yeah, but this is gonna be taller. This is gonna be a little shorter. Silver Streak is like also still a little bit forward to this location as well. That's true. And it's also worth noting, Silver Streak is only 48 feet. Yeah, this is probably gonna be in the 70, 80 feet range. And then it's 74 feet. So that is like kind of- That's almost double. Yeah. Zambizi Singer is only 74 feet tall. Yeah, it's almost double of Silver Streak. Oh, 74, yeah. I actually- Okay, so you're not allowed building within 40 meters of the highway. Hang on, I've got cool maps open. I'm imagining things right now. So I don't think this can be you. I'm still sticking with Mindbuster. I'm Team Mindbuster. I'm also sticking with Mindbuster. I just think it makes more sense with the plaza area being Coaster's sort of area. So the back of Action Theatre, you're not allowed building at all. Yeah, I'm just saying it's 80 meters, not 40. So the back of Action Theatre is sort of in line with that term that we're all talking about on whitewater. So it would have to be literally over whitewater for it to work. It could. There's a lot of space in the middle of whitewater, but that's not what the concept art is showing. Well, I'll tell you this much. I don't want to reveal too much, but I'll know in December what it is and where it is. But you'll all know in December, too, because they'll start construction in December on whatever 2025 is. And you will all see how right I am. No. You're not wrong, you are. We will all gather to celebrate the Ryan is wrong party. So. Jake, if you want to make a bet. Yeah, I'm down. 20 bucks. And Ryan has a really good point, though. Ryan has a really good point. A wooden coaster does not need to start construction in December, especially a family wooden coaster. But there's so much to this ride that first of all, this rendering is such a general idea that this could be like, we don't know how long it took them, obviously. It could have taken them, probably took them way longer than the wing coasters, but still there could be such smaller features that could take longer than, you know, how long we know, because we don't know how long the queue line is going to take. We don't know how long this bridge and maybe some landscaping is going to take. We don't like, but I don't think most people know. I don't know if you know, Brendan, how long this takes, but I assume it's pretty long. So I mean, taking in the effect of Canadian weather, that I believe I think it could be like, if it's 20, yes and no, you are looking at all theming and theming actually takes a lot less time than you think. Sorry. So are we talking? Okay. I thought the bet here was about where it's going to be put. If we're talking about what's being built first, I think it's the wing, or whatever. Yeah, I still think that, but the wing coasters being built first. If we're saying it's in the mind-buster spot, I want someone to justify to me where all that theming, that whole town's going to fit. Beholds. Brendan, you need to screen right now. Yeah. Hang on. I'm juggling too many tabs. Let me go back to this. So yeah, I feel like, but the thing is, Brendan, do you know how long the landscaping takes? Not long at all. You'll see landscaping as the very last thing a coaster project does. I know, like, Brian can probably back that up too. Landscaping doesn't take a super long amount of time. Theming doesn't take a lot of time. Landscaping and theming is usually the last thing they do on a coaster, and it's usually in the last week or two. And it's a one-and-coaster too. So really, I don't think this is 2025. How long did Zambini's Zinger take to build? Zambini. Let me put it this way. Mystic Timbers started fall the year before. Did it not, Ryan? Fall or winter? It wasn't like that. It's, wooden coasters go up really quick, guys. They built them in like a few months. Yeah. I mean, again, like, look how quickly they put up. It's a wood frame, right? A Wildcats Revenge. Ryan, can you confirm this is? Wildcats Revenge was very rushed. Yeah, but that's wood frame, right? Oh, wait, someone was looking at that. All right, there you go. This is an example of building a wood coaster. It's not a wood coaster I know, but just an example of how fast they could put up those supports. Yeah. Zambini's started in fall and opened in June. Yeah. So. And keep in mind, it was fully done before June, right? They delayed it for something. I don't remember. They had problems. They had problems. Yeah, but the actual ride itself was done like a month or two before. Yeah. So it only takes a few months to build these, like four or five months, maybe. But yeah, this is interesting. So, you know what? Do you know what piques my interest about all this though? Let's go back over here. Are you all done looking at this map for a sec? Can I go? Do you know what I find interesting? So I'm not going to say with who, but Suri and I had like a really good luxury of like sitting down with someone from Wonderland and having like a really good conversation outside of the park. And, you know, it was funny. The basement of the mountain was teased to us, and I feel like I should have paid. I went on the podcast and remember guys, I said the basement of the mountain, this person, blah, blah, blah. But what's interesting to me is I was expecting some winterfest proof rides, and I don't see any. I've been saying this for a minute too. I don't know why they wouldn't start doing that. Like to say, oh, convert all the rides is a huge thing that doesn't make sense. But why haven't they started bringing out, you know, new rides, new rides that are more easily able to be winterfest friendly? I don't get that personally. Yeah. It's strange to me that none of these are winter. So in that case, I really, again, I know y'all are sick of me saying this, but action theater needs to be developed. Like, because where are our winterfest rides? Tundra Twister has the potential to be a winterfest ride, but girl, that thing be struggling. So I don't know how it's going to handle the winter. Does that upgrade better in the winter, though, because of the cooling and, like, the whole motor that's on top, but it actually wouldn't function better in cold weather? Oh, the random view. You bring up a good, I will say. So two cool things. Wonderland is extending its season into mid-January. Number two is Wonderland is exploring freezing Whitewater Canyon's river thing for skating. So you would skate along in the forest. You know, pretty that would be with lights in the trees. That's a really good idea. Yeah. Yeah. That would be so cute. That'd be nice. The other concept does not look like a wing. Yeah, that was thrown together. That, like, the concept isn't meant to be taken seriously. And I think maybe there's a reason, too. Like, why would you want to post your layout of a coaster that's coming out in a year and a half? You know what I mean? Someone in the chat earlier, though, I think it was key switches. Chat, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was key switches saying earlier that one of the teasers has a way higher resolution than the other. And I didn't confirm, again, I'm obviously still playing catch up, so I can't confirm that. But if so, that's very interesting, because that means that one of them is literally a larger file, literally a larger piece of art that they had to commission somebody to do. So this one is more detailed. If I'm not mistaken, this one is definitely more pixelated, right? Yeah, I believe so. I don't know. If whoever it was that said that in the chat wants to come in and reiterate which one you saw, there, yeah, it was key switches. Blastcoaster resolution, 3,000 by 2,000, while others are 1,600 by 900. So Blastcoaster. Yeah. So if you were teased basement, Blastcoaster is the highest resolution of the three, means the other two to me sound like they were just made up quickly as it does. And the survey is so narrowly targeted. They did target Blastcoaster. They literally, they showed you Blastcoaster first and they're like, what do you think about this? And then they're like, okay, okay, now that we showed you this, what do you think about that compared to this? And then, okay, what about this? And then they're like, okay, we're going to show you them all again with Blastcoaster on top. What do you, which one do you like best? Yeah, there's some psychology going on. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what they're leaning towards, whether or not they're even going to listen to what the fans vote. I don't think really matters. I think the vote is just to get us clicking buttons and interacting with them and being invested. For me, Blastcoaster was shown last. Interesting. Oh, that's interesting. I have the survey open right now. I see concert coaster first. What? I love this real-time testing. Wonder if it's going to be like these guys are messing up our whole survey. I opened the survey about like a, back when the stream started. I opened this an hour and a half ago and it showed me concert. I think it's randomized. It's a random order. Okay. Which is pretty important, I would say, for this kind of survey. That is interesting. Y'all voted Blastcoaster though, right? Okay. What did you guys in the comment section vote for? Wrong answers only. Blastcoaster. I feel like Blastcoaster would have the best layout, in my opinion. Yeah. I like the whole, there's some weird, like they didn't specify. Wait, let me pull it up. Can someone, does anyone have easy access to the description of Blastcoaster that can read it out? I do. I do. Well, there's like a whole quarter of the mountain that's in frontier Canada, right? Like that back quarter of the mountain, the face of it is in frontier Canada. Blastcoaster makes the most sense to me because it'd be like a blast for dynamite, you know? Yeah. All right. Who's reading it? I could read it. A strange, unexplainable force has taken over the core of Wonder Mountain. Thrap into your winged coaster car and prepare for an exhilarating high-speed launch that propels you through a cavernous subterranean tunnel and into the heart of the mountain. Suddenly, you are blasted straight up and out of the summit's highest peak. Experience awe-inspiring views as you soar high above Canada's Wonderland and encounter a thrilling series of heart-pounding twists and dizzying turns. But there's already a dragon in the mountain. Can we get another? I realized that we already have like three dragons. We could get a fourth. What's his name? Herman? Doesn't he have a name? Herman and Thundera Normaar, I think. And I didn't even clue into that the first time. But you are going to launch from outside the mountain into the mountain. Are we going to find the whole nest where these dragons have been coming from? Is that what's going on? The mountain is 100 and something feet tall. How tall is Thunderbird? Thunderbird is... I just had it open. Let me check. Thunderbird. I know that the highest point on Wonder Mountain, that very highest peak is 150 feet. So... Yeah, and Thunderbird is 140. Okay, so we're going to take the record. If I were to go for the biggest or tallest launched wing coaster, you would take the record. We would have to push it a bit more if you want to take the record for highest wing coaster, which is what I need right now, I think. No, they wouldn't go for that. There's no point for them to go for that. But you know them. They're going to be like, tallest launched wing coaster in the world. Yeah, more words is better, I guess. One of two. It's like when the first axis coaster is going to come out. Tallest axis coaster in the world. The tallest build height at the mountain area of the park is 406 feet. That's pretty tall. They're not going. A guy's family is going to go for the launch wing 2025. That's what's coming. The launch wing 2025. That's what's coming. The launch wing 2025. That's what's coming. The launch wing 2025. That's what's coming. The launch wing 2025. It's going to start in an international show place and go into a tunnel, which is going to be expensive in itself. More underground digging. Like, did they not learn the first time they didn't do so well with Yukon's? They did learn. Maybe the tunnel is already falling apart. Maybe they didn't learn. Cedar Fair be spending way too much money on these rides. There is not that need to build a tunnel. Like, that's so expensive. But this is interesting. Because wait, what did you say the record with right now? Wait, Jim. Which is just said 160 feet. The tunnel is already there, but it can't fit a wing ghost or Jim. That tunnel you're talking about cannot fit a wing ghost. That's a pretty small tunnel, isn't it? It's very small. It can fit like a car and a half width-wise. Yeah. It's also nice to note that it looks like, like it says that it's going to propel you through a cavernous subterranean tunnel. So you are going to go through a tunnel maybe themed before going out of the mountain. Yeah, you will. It'll be like launched. I'm imagining like a cool crystal cavern or something cool like that before. Yeah, no, the tallest wing coaster is Falcon at Wuxi Seneca land at 197 feet. Yeah, 197 must be 198, yeah. If they want to go for just tallest in general wing, but I doubt they would do that. Do you know what's funny, though? This concept art might actually be accurate because if you rewatch my construction video, do you see that turn? I know it's not a wing coaster in this concept, but do you see the turn where all those supports come down? That's where a lot of the survey markings are. Oh, and there's a distance marking on the Yukon striker support there, too. Which doesn't exist in this image. It almost looks like it's going to come out. Go out to where the fireplace is at Lazy Bear and then head on over towards Vortex, and then I don't know where it goes after that. It looks like it might head towards the turn into the mountain on Wonder Mountains Guardian and then come back, because then you see like a barrel roll lower where my Wonderlands 2025 coasters hit in here. And then head back into the thing. It also looks like it's not going to have a lot of speed, guys, because it looks like they keep it high off the ground for the first half, which I hate. What this reminds me of is Volcano the Blast Coaster for obvious reasons, but also because that goes pretty slow after the launch. It slowly goes to that layout, and that's what scares me about this. It's worth noting, if they want to take fastest wing coaster record, I don't know how fast Falcon goes. I'll check that right now, but Thunderbird only goes 60. That's not super fast. Gatekeeper goes 67, and Falcon, I'm not going to try pronouncing this, but that goes 73.3 miles per hour. I'm going to say one thing, because I already have a rant about this coming in a future video. My feelings will be made very clear very soon, but I will say that I've, and I have been saying this, so it's not spoiling anything. To me, all of our recent big coaster editions, all the BNMs are the same ride. You can cancel me for that. They all have that same floaty feel, and I feel like this is going to have that same feel. And I, as a coaster enthusiast, can say that, and it's one thing, but I feel like we can only do so many of these types of rides with that specific feel before the GP starts being like, these are all the same. Why am I getting in line for a different ride? It just has the same feeling as the last one. Yeah. It's not too late. Wonderland, give me some receipt. Wonderland's literally swiping their TD debit card right now. Yeah. Wonderland's literally paying. It's not too late, and they're like... There's ride being manufactured as we speak, and I'm like, it's not too late, guys. It's not too late. Don't do it if you swear. BNM manufacturing is actually a track. BNM manufacturing, the massive amount of straight track. Yes, yes. Just sell it to SeaWorld. They'll take it. Yeah, they'll take another BNM. What, how many do they have now? Like, five. More than enough. They have more than us, and we think we have a lot. Oh, my goodness. I get that they're reliable. They're crowd-eaters. They are, you know, fairly family-friendly. Like, the height restriction isn't insane on them compared to, you know, what it could be. So I get it, but I just want something very different. I want something that's like a completely different feel. I've been saying this for a while. I think that a fourth BNM has been inevitable for us, no matter what. We will be... Like, no matter what. At some point, we are getting a fourth BNM, whether it be an invert or a wing, probably not, but I wish a flyer. It's probably going to end up being a wing. I think they cemented that after Behemoth. I think whatever contract they signed for Leviathan included more than one coaster for sure. 100%. I think Behemoth was like a test, and they were like, this is great. Give us four more. You know what's funny, though? Like, I didn't even get this survey. Like, and then I input my age, and they were like, middle finger to me. No, screw you. It immediately took me out. And then I put... I went to... I've been to one of them 52 times this year, and it was like, bye. Oh, my God. I did two times... Very straight up gave them your IP address. I did two times this year, younger than 25, and I forget what the other question was, but then that took me in. Though, like, what you want to experience the most at the park? Like, what's your request? Yeah, well, okay. And I did, like, thrill rides, the highest family below that, and everything else was, like, low. And then they let me in. So let's give some context here. I know Jasmine and I know this really well, but the president of Canada's Wonderland that did just retire has a really close relationship with the owner of Bolliger and Mabalard. And this would have been purchased under his leadership of the park. So this could be our last B&M. So let's hope that this is just that final transaction from a president of Canada's Wonderland that is really close. Like, if you have really close friendship with the owner of a company, you're going to keep going to them, right? And it's not like Cedar Fair is going to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. Right? You know, they like their B&Ms too at the end of the day. So if the owner of Wonderland, sorry, the general manager of Wonderland is like, hey, Cedar Fair, you know, we have a budget of $35 million for 2025. B&M can build us a launch coaster of this coming out of the mound. Is that not cool? Cedar Fair is, of course, going to be like, yeah, that's sick. Of course, we'll do it. So until we have, you know, new blood, thank God, it's Heather. Because she's amazing. Maybe we'll see some new things. This is probably the product of our past general manager. I agree with that. I find the fact that it was so easy every time to show them like, look, look at the ridership, these new B&Ms are getting. It's great. And Cedar Fair would just green light it every time. Yeah. I kind of feel like these wing coasters are like, you know, like our past GM's ideas, but this new Woody is kind of this new Wonderland that's trying to fees in new manufacturers and new types of rides to the Canadian public. Well, I can tell you right now, based off the Cedar Fair stockholders' call, that that area is a Cedar Fair concept and not a Wonderland concept. That's the new Universal Studios guy they hired. Thank you, Universal. Yeah. I mean, it looks good. I like it. Yeah. Well, I love it. Again, it's that it gives like Disney vibes. So. But okay. So this is a comment. Is this an insult? Because did you see the guy who commented on my video that was like this? He's salty. Things Dominion fans feeling personally insulted. But you know what's funny? I get it. I do get it because I don't blame him for being mad about volcano and all of that. Like it's whatever, but it just looked real salty. I would feel salty too. I don't blame this guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't blame him. So whoever it is, don't be mad that we're giggling. I'm totally laughing with you because it's me with the idea of Mind Buster being removed for not something bigger and cooler than Mind Buster. And I'm like, yeah, it's with the salt. It's okay. So got wild beast, which is being better. Do you guys remember though, like three years ago, I remember that in discord, I've been arguing this all along. Even Syria, we used to talk about and he didn't believe me there. Now he does. I would constantly say for the last three, four years, oh, just wait, just wait. Wonderland is going to be the gem of the chain. Wonderland is going to see the most investments just wait. I've been saying that for three to four years and it's finally happening. And you know what? With all these, you know what's coming next, right? A hotel. Yeah. And that's what Kingswood could be. Like Kingswood could technically be that hotel. Well, on site hotels are really nice. Yeah. I think it's the best when they're integrated with the park though. Like when they're going to enter. And that might help explain why they're also building these coasters in such dense areas still, right? Like they're trying to save their outskirts. Yeah, preserving space. Yeah. Yeah. Like what Key Switch is a saying, breakers with ERT, that'd be awesome. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it would be so close. Like sometimes those theme park hotels are like, you know, you got to take a shuttle or a bus or something. The property we're working with, like you literally would get out of your hotel and walk right into the park. It would be great. The Americans are here calling it here say and all that here. Why don't I show you guys something your park will never have concept. Oh, no, oh, here's, here's Carolin's whitewater canyon wooden coaster they were supposed to get. It's now ours. This is Kings Dominion's small wing coaster right here. We got it. And then they said the volcano blast coaster replacement. Now we'll just give that to wonder. It gives you hand me downs, but they haven't even been worn yet. They still got the tags on them. The poor Kings Dominion fans first volcano and now we take their wing coaster. Okay. Okay. Brendan is apparently from Kitchener. How is this here say because the last survey in the Cedar fir chain that went out about a future addition ended up becoming true. Carolin's the other survey that went out about a waterslide for next year. I can confirm is 100% true. You guys can wait and see on that. They don't make these concepts and these surveys for no reason, especially when they're asking about the theme of a ride, not a ride. They're asking about a theme. They literally don't do this for no reason. They're getting, it's like the beginning of the marketing campaign. They're getting you hyped. Because now you're going to get some news chains, some new channels talking about this. And we saw the same thing when Carolin's did their, when they did their survey news channels started talking about this. It is marketing basically. They've already decided that they're doing this or it's looking for a theme to be 100% and to start people, start letting people know, Hey, we are doing this. This is happening. So that actually might be a clues too. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say it's some, just some sort of a back end confirmation because the park already knows what they're doing. They already have a plan laid out. Everything's already settled. It's just a matter of getting that last minute feedback. Yeah. And I was just going to say that the, what you see on the news stations in the coming days and weeks could also give more clues because sometimes not always the park will actually give the news stations a specific video clip reel to use. So when you see, you know, the news anchor is going to do a voiceover and you're going to see a clip of like these different concepts playing and whatever. And it may focus more on one. And I'm again, this is all speculation because there's like a 50% chance that it's Wonderland that sends it to them pre done and a 50% chance Wonderland just sends them the images or the clips and they put it together. But sometimes Wonderland could be emphasizing in those clips, if they are pre edited and sent to the news stations like that, they might, you know, dwell on this one for a reason. Yeah. There's most likely going to be a flat ride or experience, dark ride experience added in 2024. There's 100% of water side coming. The water side is coming in 2024. Trust me. I saw some blueprints. That's well overdue. It better be. Love to see you. The water park. Get more water parks. Yeah. It's like screaming for help at this point. It's like setting itself on fire. You know, I don't want white water west. It's not going to be pro sides. It's not going to be pro side. I know the person holding like the baby above the pool. And then there's the other child drowning. And that's that's a that's our water park. Jake's late. No. The the child that the guy is holding in the meme is like that. That's the dry park and the person drowning is the water park. Jake, are you at home yet? Are you off your shift from McDonald's? Did the machine break? I just home from McDonald's. Okay, pop on in. Pop on in. Pop on in the machine. Jake, come on in the call. McDonald's. Does Jake have permissions? Yeah. Yes, he does. Yeah. Jake, can you make me a grimace shake? No cameras. Guys, I'm having a grimace shake. Happy birthday. Grimace. Oh, you don't have a webcam. His minutes are numbered. Hello. What type of side? Hello. No. Okay, Jake. Okay. Do you want to give your opinions on the things on the screen? Can you see the screen? I can see the screen. Okay, what about the blast coaster? What are your thoughts and opinions on it? So guys, Jake was actually at the park for me today. Right, Jake, for me. And you were filming a lot of the survey markings and its location. So how was that? Shout out, Jake. It was great because I found them before Brendan did. Always a win. That's a flex. Where? When you find them something before Brendan, it's always more fun. Yeah. Yeah. Remind me to ban him after this. Okay, what are your thoughts? I got you. We'll do it right now. From what is on the screen, on everybody's screen, it looks exactly like where it's going to go. Like it's that corner of the mountain. I hope it's blast out of the mountain just to make Kings Dominion fans mad. And I hope it's the launch invert. That would be awesome. But it's probably going to be a wing because that's more of a GP magnet. Yeah, the description also said wing. Yeah. What about the concert coaster with onboard audio? I love the fact that there would be onboard audio and I hope lights. But other than that, I prefer the other version. Imagine hearing a rush while you're riding a coaster. But yeah, it would be cool. Like if you've been to the Orlando parks, any of the Universal Orlando parks, you know that like a lot of those have onboard audio and stuff that really enhances how it is. And what? And then photo taking as well. Like if it has videos, like at night, if it has lights, so that'd be really cool. Have you had a chance to fully digest this concept? The wood coaster one? Yeah, with the area. Do you see the area? Okay, now it just changed. Yeah, it looks really cool. Where do you believe it is? In what area of the park? Okay, well, Ryan's actually changed my opinion, but... It looks like I don't... I hope it's not first. I still don't believe it would be first. I still believe it would be second. I don't know. The thing is, why would they survey this two years ago if it's going to be last? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, they do change their plans and stuff. Like for you home striker, for example, it was supposed to be 2016, right? Or 2017? Yeah, yeah. I believe this is a conversation we had today, Jake. Yeah. And the survey marketing started way in like 2013 when they're getting rid of Skyrider and stuff and construction almost happened right away. And then it stopped. Yeah. Because of Val Riven and Cedar Point. And then it continued with the tunnel, obviously. So it could be somewhere similar situation where they had all of this going on. They're getting it ready and then it stopped because they wanted to change their plans. But it'll still go through eventually. But then again, there is that interview with Grace on TPM vids. So. Yes. Where they said they weren't done in the smirk. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just want to say I want this first before the Wingcoaster because if you have ridden a family GCI, it's a good ride. Like. Yeah. He ain't wrong. I would. I honestly think like if we got both of them, I would prefer the family GCI because like I the only one I really have experience with is Invader. And that is a great ride. I love Invader. I think it's awesome. I just wish it were longer. Damn easy zinger. It looks perfect. That looks like an incredible ride. You have the new GCI trains. I like I want this. I think this is coming first and I have a reason why I think that. Why? So I'm snooping online right now as they're talking. And so Ohio University published a thing like a while back and it was basically about planning and engineering roller coasters. And it talks about how parts we already discussed that like when roller coasters are built faster and roughly eight months usually on average and steel coasters usually a year to a year and a half again depending on the ride the size scope etc. But themed rides take an average of three to five years because of the theming elements and you know how many more people have to be contracted like a lot of people don't realize and what got me to start googling this and thinking this was I watch a lot of videos by Justin Skard and he's friends with a lot of people who do the tiki work at Disneyland and stuff and they've talked about how long it took to bring certain things to life and I was like wait a second we're not just talking about a coaster here we're talking about a whole themed area how long does that take and according to Ohio State three to five years you saw markings in 2021 this is coming first I needed just glad that you imagined Justin Skard I love Justin Skard I love Justin Skard he's the reason why I'm here right now I'm not gonna lie Oh my god are these Skard screens if you look on the screen to add to that like the coaster would only be like 15 million dollars cap like that's like what this tap was yes rest of that money is all theming and that takes so much look how much stuff is just on the screen that theming is not 15 million and then it would probably also come with a whitewater canyon refurbishments that right there is what would eat up that 15 million yeah yeah yeah and if they wanted to build without taking more out of the forest then they really have to in order to keep it looking like this concept art and so they can brag on the sustainability side of things they would have to spend a lot more money in order to construct it more carefully it just costs more that's why they always clear cut for rides so if they really do leave it like this that's going to cost them quite a bit too Oh my opinions being changed you know what I just thought I think we're I think we're looking at the location of this a little too closely the bottom left section do you see like the random wood building and then the three tenths down in the bottom left underneath me I think that's the current whitewater path that comes up towards whitewater and that bridge you see there is the the entrance now and it's not going to be the entrance to whitewater canyon anymore it's going to be the entrance that leads you towards whatever our wooden coasters called and then whitewaters Q-line is going to start do you see that other bridge that goes off into the woods yeah that is going to be the either the line for the wooden coaster or the line the new line for saying I think we're looking at this the river a little too literally I think that path is going to be a renovated whitewater path that is currently there Q-line would whitewater get extended whitewater doesn't need as long of a line as it's got for the whitewater no no no like the the canal would it get extended I don't think that they would extend the layout of whitewater anymore I think that they would it looks like we're going to enhance it and give it a storyline almost and animatronics maybe or you know just buildings and stuff yeah that'd be cool animatronics I wish I do find it interesting that they would decide to revamp a rapids ride when they are sort of on their way out with a lot of controversy in the industry surrounding safety but you do you I guess has there ever been an incident on ours not on ours not ours not ours but also people are standing up a lot they are having trouble with people standing up on the ride and which is the controversy I see also the the controversy is you know boats flipping and yep yeah that I'm pretty sure that's the that's the you know like killing entire model that's a different model it's possible too that this is a two-step thing with whitewater like maybe they're it's it's okay right now they're not having major incidents right now and maybe we're talking like six to ten years that they have a plan to put some some new kind of ride in that water pathway it can be a tracked water ride like like the jungle cruise is on a track so maybe they're looking to change that in the future the more distant future and for now they're kind of building around it as it is but it's also an intimate and they want to work less and less with intimate in terms of buying parts give us aquitopia from Disney Sea please yeah yeah that is like just take all the inspiration from Disney Sea please from Disney Sea I just wonderland yeah just give us a volcano too you know so I just saw I just saw someone say this is the best podcast yet by the way you guys are looking at the format that we're going to do with our patreons as well so this is my idea to have like a weekly stream an hour stream where I do this similar concept with the patreons so we can all be in a call and we'll discuss things about wonderland as a group it'll be kind of like would you call those things where you talk as a group and it's almost a lot of channels do it not a podcast it's like a what do you call it a round table a meeting a round table there you go it's like a round table discussion about things about wonderland so yeah if you're a patreon I'm getting rid of the $1 option by the way so I saw a lot of people sign up for the $1 option today and I was like no I don't give out any information for the $1 $5 plus we'll get you obviously all the information the newsletter and then these new round tables that'll be starting and essentially since it worked well now I know how to do it I just needed to get rid of this thing it's easier than I thought actually so it'll be like an enthusiast round table exactly kind of like I think ERT does that as well the enthusiast council the wonderland council but yeah I thought that'd be cool so I'll still do like a podcast and then I'll figure out how to insert the patreon one as well I might do two a week we'll figure something out I am moving the podcast by the way I will not be doing the podcast on weekends anymore it has not been working my friends only go to the wonderland on the weekend like the entire friend group so it's been really hard for me to want to leave wonderland at like 7pm to go work on the podcast and get it all set up when all my friends are there so just to be transparent I am gonna be moving it to weekdays like today so it'll I don't have a date yet because people that come on the podcast they all have random schedules as well so it'll be weekdays and you know now that I can do it this format it makes it actually so much easier I don't need someone to come to my house and be on the podcast with me I can do it like this so I'm having even more than one you guys like it so it works like this so I don't even need just one person so yeah it'll be like this from now on and I think the weekday will work really well during the summer especially because a lot of people are off school they may be on summer vacation so they can stay up a little bit later as well so I think the weekday might be a better idea rather than weekends because weekends you're usually busy as well so you have maybe less viewership and weekday might be a better idea awesome yeah all right is that everyone's thoughts on today's announcements that was the highest viewed obviously because there's leaks but that was the highest viewed one so far and the most engaging yeah definitely kept the same I saw I kept looking at the watching now it was always over 130 and that doesn't show you by the way this number 147 viewers those are people that are currently up to current there are like when this thing ends you'll see the actual number of people watching I watched at one point yeah but yeah is that everything you guys have been awesome in the chat by the way the chat's been popping if you're still in the chat make sure to like the stream by the way and people in the chat who are not currently in the discord server I'll be dropping the link for you guys right now feel free to join great community here you usually have pretty active voice channels almost every day feel free to join up there you go here's the link Brendan I don't know if this this might be a good way to end actually because it has been kind of a long one but Neil in the chat was asking if you could just do a quick recap for those who came in late of course I love Neil Neil's a businessman so he's someone I talked to here and there so basically Wonderland put out a search so I'll tell you the whole story because it's really funny Jake we were told about some new construction markings at Wonderland we were told about one so Jake went to go film I had asked Jake to go film and Jake went and filmed and then one became two two became four four became eight eight became 12 and so on and so forth and I was able to decode which survey markings were which and then silver ones appeared silver ones are the really detailed ones and so I was brainstorming in my head I'm like okay so the ones that the silver ones and where they're located looks like something swinging out almost like away from international show place right Jake remember I said that it was something like swinging out so I was like screaming swing yeah when I was there we were thinking screaming swing because like oh 2024 they're ready that's a nice spot of plan screaming swing sounds good because it's it's swinging out then I started to get I got a message and it was like hey did you see this this concept art and I was like concept art this is fake and then I got another message and it was like did you take the survey they're like giving out information the survey I was like BS and then I got like a third and fourth and fifth and I was like I looked at it and then the news started breaking and I was like oh my god the construction thing that Jake filmed is exactly where this concept art is it's literally all the markings and the thing coming out of international show place heading towards the mountain with those distance markings right at the edge that's the launch so it all makes sense like which means that it's already planned and bought and designed and everything and they're just doing some final calculations and blah blah blah but yeah I just hope that they specifically took Brendan's email off the list switch to the concept art of the thing my my theory is that they didn't specifically take his off the list but it's because he is outside of the targeted age demographic probably but to me it's like Grace handpicked his email out of oh I didn't get the survey I didn't get the survey that's what I'm saying he's the pass holder you should have got it right so I will guys it's Brendan's email he doesn't need this take him out so is this actual leaked concept art for the coaster well jazm and key switches and other people figured out or clued in that this specific photo is the highest resolution by a lot too so this seems to be the most important one the most worked on one or well-designed one is what they were suggesting do you answer the question though if it's official yes it's 100 percent official from wonderland yes real all this is real yeah it's not like also I feel like the word leak shouldn't be really thrown around because no yeah if wonderland put it out it's not a leak yeah that's a hint it's a breadcrumb I don't know if you look at the definitely let me look at the definition maybe I am wrong let's do that cooler to be fair they can leak their own stuff so I guess technically cooler you know I would leave it for the clickbait but it just to be clear it came from wonderland themselves an intentional disclosure of something secret or private one of the employees was responsible for the leak so an intentional so this was intentional was it yeah yeah okay that counts a lot of liquid gas if it wasn't intentional it would enter or escape oh that's the wrong kind of leak scroll down Ryan what are you looking at the wrong kind of leak but we don't need those kind of leaks I can't wait for this and then we're going to hear wonder mountain is sinking well I think we're going to it's been two hours I think we're going to end it here and go and discord awesome all right there'll be a video almost every day for the next week on this because I'm obviously going to start thinking things while I'm trying to sleep and all that and then I'll want to like discuss it but yeah thanks everyone I'm going to go ahead and yeah peace everyone bye