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I have had the most bizarre week and it's been good because lots of bits of the jigsaw puzzle are falling into place. So I'm really good and I'm really happy to be here with everyone. I know it is, you know, when you stick with the truth, no matter how hard life gets, when you stay in your integrity and you stick with what you believe is to be the truth and you're constantly trying to do the right thing, you do get vindicated over time and things do start to fall into place for you. And that kind of, I know, Catherine, off-camera, we were talking about, you wanted to do some like episodes, like a myth busting. So we can really look at some of these myths and some of this, what we're going to talk about today, which is probably classified as spiritual manipulation. And so before we get into the subject at hand, we are going to put a call out. If there is any body out there who is transgendered, who is a man who transitioned to be a woman with all the surgeries, and you would mind coming on camera with us and are with Catherine specifically and answering some questions that we have about the biology of all of this for a particular reason. Email me or Catherine. Catherine, do you want to give your email address quickly? I'll put it in the description box too, but where they can contact you. Yeah, absolutely. So my email address spelled with a C is Catherine Edwards Life 1717 at gmail.com. And the reason we want to do this, Bryce, is because you and I are both real researchers. So we promise it would be done with the utmost respect. But sometimes it's really, really important because there's so much misinformation out there. We just want someone that's got real life experience of it that can talk us through in as much detail as they're happy to share. You know, what's really involved because it's really important for people to have this information. Absolutely. And I want to re-enter that. Right, that Catherine. We Catherine and I are safe people. I hate to use that word because I hate the whole safe space thing. But we were talking off camera. I know I've made this very clear on my channel. I don't care if you're an adult. You do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting anybody else. I support whatever makes you happy, especially here in the United States in the Constitution, we're given the right to pursue happiness. And so whatever that means for you as a consenting adult, that's fine. I think our issue comes with when children are being groomed or being hurt and that can happen from both a homosexual person and a heterosexual person. So it's all so I want that I want if you are that person. Don't worry. We don't we're not judging you at all. We just want to clarify some things so that other people stop judging you right so that we have more more of knowledge around what's involved when it comes to making this this decision that I know a lot of people who are genuinely transgender don't make lightly like I know that they don't make that lightly. And so and that is that is a so so please. Yeah, my message here at Atlanta gmail.com or and I can forward it over to Catherine. You just feel free to reach out to us and we'll probably talk to you. I guess talk to them for off camera first and then play. Yeah, absolutely because it seems that it's important which a time now where enough of the real myth busting needs to go on so that people there's so much misinformation out there. It's overwhelming for people. So having some topics and feel free to make other suggestions to us as well on some of the myths that have come up in this community over the last few years that you'd like us to cover on deep dives as well because that's what we love doing. Yeah, and yeah. And it's that whole saying two things get to be true, you guys. Yeah, we have a screwed up world. Yes, a lot of these conspiracy theories are founded in truth. Yeah, we know that but to the extreme that a lot of our quote unquote peers have taken it is not OK and that's going to get into the topic that we have today which is spiritual manipulation and it goes back to that research. Doesn't it Catherine like, you know, we get so mad at our friends and family who just sit around and watch the BBC or watch Fox News or CNN and they just take what the news anchor says as fact and they repeat it what they've said verbatim as fact. Well, the same thing is happening in our community to where people are replacing, you know, Anderson Cooper with a YouTuber and they're still not doing their research and they're taking what what a YouTuber says as fact. And so there really has been no awakening, right? It's just kind of a shifting. It's like rolling. It's like being asleep and rolling over from the right side to the left side to the right side. Right. So we want to truly empower each and every person to know that research really isn't that hard. You guys, it's kind of fun. Sometimes, you know, I find it fun, you know, so and just to kind of have that level of neutrality and a lot of things and equanimity and things and understand that you can't paint people black and white that there's there's a lot of shades of gray when it comes to humanity. So with that being said, let's talk about spiritual manipulation because I do feel like that's what's happening a lot within our own community. It's happening outside of our community within religious organizations. It's happening in, you know, these cults like Scientology or Nexium or the 20 it's it's a manipulation of spirituality. So I'm actually going to read the actual definition of spiritual manipulation, which it's using someone's religious or spiritual beliefs to manipulate or shame them forces the children to be raised in a faith that the other partner has not agreed to and some some some incidents uses religious texts or belief to minimize or rationalize abusive behavior such as physical, financials, emotional or sexual abuse are RAPE. So is there anything you want to add to that definition Catherine before we kind of expand upon that? I think it's perfect really because I think, you know, for me, this is such a big area and something that comes up a lot because the thing is the truth of the matter is is when you can see people have really done the inner work. They're not judgmental and they are open to people having other belief systems and they don't try and shame people for that and ridicule for them. So the laughable thing is really on how manipulated this word spiritual and spiritual practices has got recently is the fact that actually anyone who's doing any sort of shaming for someone else who's got a different opinion to themselves is doing spiritual manipulation. They're trying to manipulate using spiritual language. I've had it quite a few times this week with people trying to really argue their point about something that doesn't need to be argued about where they've basically been sort of saying my video has gone funny. Has it gone funny for you? Oh yeah, you're you got you got in slow motion for a moment. Yeah, it's really weird. I don't know what's happened with that. I'll keep talking and apologize for my video, but how weird that it's gone weird whilst we're doing this because it's like I'm just going to say talk about spirituality if there are any entities that are messing with our zoom matters shouldn't be here. You got to go. We don't give you consent. You got to go and calling in all of our protectors to remove any entities that do because we are we're dangerous. Catherine, I'm surprised because I've just been on two back to back zooms and I've not had this happen at all. And then as soon as I started about that, I could see my whole screen went fine and we are dangerous to the bad guys because they don't and I see that. I see our shadow banning. Sometimes I laugh at how shadow banned or I'm like, obviously Catherine and I are saying something really true or we wouldn't be the shadow band, right? We wouldn't be the smeared, you know, so and that's part of that spiritual manipulation. And so we're just going to keep pushing forward because obviously, you know, I'll say and and let a laughable way all the shadow banning all that kind of stuff. That's just giving me ammunition to keep going forward because I know I'm there's some truth that's that needs to come out. And so we'll just going to keep speaking. You can't you can't put tape over our mouth. We're going to keep speaking. So anyway, go ahead Catherine. You've stopped now. I think it's happened so, so much to people and I find it really sad because it's just as people are starting to open themselves up and really look at life in a different way. There's this manipulation that's shutting them down and shaming them for having a different opinion. And it's really, really sad because when you look at true spiritual leaders or people that have really done the work, they don't treat people like that. Again, it comes back to one of the things that we've sort of said all the way along is actions do speak louder than words. So you can be saying certain things and spellcasting with the words you're saying to try and manipulate people into having the same opinion as you or to try and cover up your mistake. We see it the whole time. We see it the whole time on the political arena where often one political opponent will actually blame the other side for doing what they've done because it's the greatest way to actually distract from what you're doing is actually to get someone to look over there. But when this happens in the spiritual community, it can be so, so damaging for people because just as they're starting to tap in to their intuition, trust their thoughts and I do think it's part of human nature where, you know, we're social beings, although I'm becoming less so, far happier in my herd of animals, because we are spiritual, we are social beings. And so we do want to belong to our tribe. And then to do that, we need to sort of fit in with certain norms and behaviors. But this attitude of not being allowed to question things of any sort of ostracizing for someone that is politely expressing a different view. We're not talking about abuse. We're not talking about when you're really abusing someone and that's completely different. But I think understanding that this spiritual manipulation is really real and it's really, really right for on social media is absolutely crucial to each and every one of us taking our power back and starting to really go within and understand that actually if we've got that feeling and it's not quite right, we should be happy to express that. And if you're on an environment where you can't politely express it, then there's something terribly wrong. Oh yeah, and that's the bite model, right? That's information control. So anytime, you know, view and I agree with you, people don't agree with me on my channel and they're polite about it and give their argument. I don't mind that at all. When people are abusive and name calling and are narcissistic, that's when you put a boundary up. But you know, I saw, I've seen this with the, you know, the telegram cults that has been harassing me big time where they are, I've given the police numbers or the police are involved. I was, there was a person in this, you know, because they're trying to sell this story that Melania Trump, for example, is a Romanoff from the Anastasia story, you know, for those who don't know who the Romanoffs are and the horrific ending that they had, regardless of if you believe they were good people or bad people, those children did not deserve to die that way. But anyway, this Russian person went in and actually did deep research into the Romanoffs and looked at all these different files of the forensic reports of the body so the bodies have been found. You know, we do have the remains of the Romanoffs. So we do know that there is no missing person that they all unfortunately lost their lives that night when they were executed. And she presented that to this group chat because they're trying to sell people that Melania Trump is a Romanoff. And she's like, no, she's not. And this is my research backing that she's not. And she got kicked out of that group because she didn't conform to the narrative that they're trying to sell. And that is another form of spiritual manipulation, you know, and bringing people into a fantasy world as a General Flynn's son. I'm going to just quote him, the science fiction fantasy world that people are living in through the derangement. And that spiritual manipulation can happen in all sorts of degrees and levels of harm. And for me, it's concerning because we all study the Trojan horse growing up, you know, where they put the enemy inside the horse and they push the horse in as a gift and the enemy snuck out at night. So that's like a controlled opposition. So what's happening with a lot of the spiritual manipulation is that these YouTubers, some of them are just going, monkey see monkey do. They're just doing, repeating what other people have said and leading people down a wrong path, but they're not doing it intentionally. But some of them are doing it intentionally and they're putting false information out there. They're spiritually manipulating you. They're spiritually getting you into this jump conspiracy cul-de-sac. And if you question them, you're kicked out of the group. And so don't question them. And so you keep getting more and more and more indoctrinated into this false belief and distractions while the real stuff is happening over here. You know, we see that with the Nisara that people are being spiritually manipulated that don't worry guys, it's all a show. It's all a show as a spiritual manipulation. It's not a show. It's our lives. And people are starving now and we're in a recession and gases through the roof. This is very real. But they're manipulating you spiritually to trust the plan, to trust the plan so that you don't stand up for yourself. So that you don't take action in your community to write this to course correct so that the new world order can walk in right through the front door. So that's why this is really important, you guys. It's not just the mental aspect and the mental health which is very important. It's also the global issue that we're having. Another example, I told Catherine and I would say this example. So in any world, a cult can form in any community. Doesn't matter what it is. And we do see cults forming in the yoga world. And I have to give a lot of props to all of my teachers that I have had because they've been very good at putting up boundaries and not and being very hands off in a lot of ways and not coercing control over people. Well, this one person I knew in the Ashtanga world wrote a book about his issues with drug addiction and his path to sobriety and using the practice. And I already had some questions in my gut around this person. Like there were some things that he had said and did that I didn't think, I mean, I've never been through rehab. I've never done, I've never been an addict, but I have friends who have been and I just like that doesn't sound like things he would say didn't sound right. I was reading his book and there was a section where he spoke about that his track marks from heroin on his arm, his track marks, the scars disappeared because of the practice. And I threw the book down when I read that and I said, I actually said that spiritual manipulation because scars don't disappear when you practice yoga. That doesn't happen. I have scars. I know people, I have a scar going across my stomach from when I had my appendix out when I was 12. I have scars on my hand from my hand got slammed in a door. I've got a scar on my ear from ear surgery. I had, I have a scar on my back from back surgery. And these are all scars that I collected innocently. Like at no fault, they were just health issues. And so you would think of the practice was going to remove scars, but they would remove scars from people who were developed these scars in childhood from an operation. You know what I'm saying? So, but then that leads to this idea that we get into this idea of profits too, because of profits are spiritual manipulation as well, that somebody in the community has more of an ear to God than you do. And therefore they have entitlement and they have special privileges and this person is saying in the yoga world I have a special place within the yoga world because this practice, I did something right in this practice and it got rid of my scars. Well, I went actually talked to an ex, I actually called up a rehabilitation center and talked to, and this was long before I was on YouTube and actually asked someone who works there who specializes in heroin addiction. And I asked about track marks and he was like, he said to me said sometimes they will go away over a long period of time, like decades, they'll start to fade. But no, typically they will not go away. Once the scars are there, if the person is doing it that much, there's always going to be some type of marking to indicate you're, there's always going to be kind of be a scar there. And so that kind of sealed it in my head. I was like, all right, this guy doesn't have scars. He's obviously lying about his past in order to create a bigger story for himself. And now he's manipulating people to make himself somehow special and then have people fall in line with what he, what he teaches versus what somebody else teaches, if that makes sense. And so if you take that story, that's an extreme example, but we see that again, we see that in the, in our world, we see that with people claiming to be the long lost niece of Tesla and claiming to telepathically talk to Trump. And they're bringing people down a very dark and dangerous path where if you don't save yourself from that and get yourself out of that, I don't know, you know, there's no telling where that path is going to lead. I hope that makes sense. Yeah. And I think the thing is this will happen to all of us at some stage in our life. Apologies about my camera going weird. It's just keeps doing it, but it will happen to all of us. And the whole point to me about the lesson is life is that you recognize it and you cause correct and you have the strength to step away from that situation. One of the other ways of spiritual manipulation I see a lot is keeping people. So we are now just about hit 2024 within a month and we've been going at this since 2020. Most of us now a lot of people are a lot younger but a lot longer. But let's say, you know, since all the shit hit the fan, we've been going since then and we've still got the same thing saying this is going to happen here. This is going to be a big month. This is going to happen. I'm not saying they're not, but one of the first sort of main rules of spiritual practice is if you're in the vibration or the energy that something's always going to happen in the future, you don't bring it into realization. So if you're manifesting people who've studied this and have real success for it or any of the energy healing or people in Joe dispensers work doesn't matter, whichever one resonates with you. It's all about getting into the present moment and having that feeling as if it's already here. So if these people are really that spiritual and really believe in that why are they not helping people to get into that? Because I do absolutely believe in collective manifestation. You know, there's so many studies that have been shown by people like limit tagger and loads of other people where you do group meditations. You can shift the crime rate. You can shift the healing. You can shift the energy and what these people are doing is that actually bringing people into there and now to do something really constructive with that knowledge not to think about how they can be rich from getting their dongs or dings or whatever else, you know which are meant for the people in those countries. Now we all there's a lot of people that are really suffering financially and that's really tough. But anyone who's encouraging you to say next month next month, next month, they're throwing your life away. They're encouraging you to throw your life away was most real spiritual teachings in my book are the people that are saying be at peace now and then come if you're waiting for something outside of you to change for that spiritual peace there's something inherently wrong if we're waiting for people to be arrested if we're waiting for a new president if we're waiting for a miraculous healing. Now those are a lot of people that are suffering health wise and have got loved ones whether they're humans or animals suffering health wise it's horrendous absolutely horrendous to be in that situation but there's loads of people offering solutions that you could do now not when this comes you'll be all right because for some people that's just going to be too late. Yeah and a lot of the spiritual true spiritual teachings teach you that you're the person that actually controls everything and so your health is under your control your finances are under your control and nothing outside of yourself is even really real it's all part of Maya which is the Sanskrit word for like illusion right the illusionary world and we were talking offline Catherine I was like you know we see and I see this hardcore in spiritual manipulation hardcore in the spiritual world and it's because a lot of people don't know the foundations of spirituality and that's why they're getting suckered into these ego based which is illusionary based solutions that feed the narcissism feed the ego versus actually giving you you know true spirituality is not unicorns and rainbows it's tough love sometimes and it's you having to break through your obstacles and your own limitations thought by the mind and that's why you know it's so interesting Catherine it's like you know we see that we had so many people of our awesome subscribers that participated in our shadow work challenges that we've done twice now and we put a lot of work into that for you guys and for the people who are actually doing that because we have a private signal group and they are actually shifting their lives they are actually I I'm not in that group that often but when I pop in it's amazing to see them actually because they took the first step and that first step was accountability that you are responsible for you Trump isn't going to save you right no med bed is going to save you actually Cliff High just released a whole article or email something my boyfriend read it about how he explained in detail how the med beds aren't even possible right and so if you're not even questioning if you're not even reading all if you believe in the med bed but you're not willing to just read information from a voice of descent that challenges your own thoughts then that's not critically thinking because critically thinking is actually challenging your own perceptions more than anything right and so I wanted to actually and it's interesting with the whole the sorry thing before I go to this website quickly yeah how funny is it that they're having people Catherine like sit around not do anything to better themselves financially not pay their taxes not pay their mortgages and now we have people who are being foreclosed on and we have people who the government are coming and taking their land so isn't that interesting like you believed this lie and now you're owning nothing and being happy remember what I said about the Trojan horse yeah what did the controllers want they want you to own nothing and be happy well it seems like a lot of people in the quote-unquote truth of the world are still asleep because now they are owning nothing and being happy there they took the bait they took the bait of escapism then that's what spiritual manipulation is as well it's escapism it's it's it's believing that that somebody is going to do it for you and that you don't have to do the hard work yourself but there's a joy and there's a beauty in doing the hardest way keep saying it's a privilege to save yourself because so much it's like polishing silver right when you actually get there and get the grit and you polish it yourself there's a there's a lesson that's there there's wisdom that is gained and let me just quickly I've shared this before and this is from a Christian website and I'm not you guys know I'm not a fan I think the Christian church is a very abusive cult but with that being said I think what this person has written here is actually pretty good when it comes to signs of spiritual abuse so I'm just gonna I'm gonna put this website in the description box below so you guys can can read this and just replace like Jesus or the church with anything else replace Jesus with the truth or community or Jesus with you know the yoga class or going on whatever it is where you feel like you might be manipulated you can interchange the noun right so one the first one spiritual abuse leaders twist the truth to make themselves look better and you end up questioning if you heard them correctly or were misinterpreting something that's also called gaslighting right spiritually abusive leaders demand respect instead of earning it spiritually abusive leaders portray your confidence and share your information with others we've seen that happen in the truth of the world where people will get doxxed their private information will I've been doxxed by other truthers and that's actually a federal in the United States that's a federal law you cannot dox somebody the people who dox me were not in the United States but yeah that's called doxing spiritually abusive letters say you need to give up your free time for Jesus or for the truth their community or for telegram whatever it is and shame you if you don't agree spiritually abusive leaders don't allow themselves to be held accountable or corrected and bully anyone who disagrees Catherine and I we've questioned things and gotten majorly bullied for it and I'm going to go back to this for a second you know spiritually abusive leaders say you need to give up your free time for inter whatever it is here Scientology whatever and shame you if you don't agree that's why I think we see so many people spending hours and hours and hours and hours of their day on telegram yeah they feel like they need they feel like they need to be engaged spiritually abusive leaders avoid your request for conflict resolution but are quick to confront you if you try to bring up things they are twisting you are seen as unteachable and blame shifting Catherine you and I off camera have majorly dealt with this haven't we as I'm reading this I'm like yeah we dealt with this off camera together you and I in the same situation we had to deal with this didn't we and it's absolutely hysterical because I have got as have you all the evidence in writing even when people trying to leak things off my phone I have backups and it is hysterical because I'm not going to put it out there because I'm not going to talk to someone else and I 100% believe that you know energy goes where a ten energy flows where attention goes so I'm putting all my attention to elsewhere but trust me if needs be I will bring them out because so much the thing is the manipulation of other people the lack of truth and there's something so wonderful if we want to shift the energy of where we've been in about admitting your mistakes and saying sorry and we're not seeing that and therefore no wonder the worlds in the shit show it is quite frankly but yeah it is hysterical and other people jumping in to try and you know back up things because they're so invested in supporting a certain person that they won't hear anything against it when they know have got no idea of the facts and of not no interest in finding out the facts it's it's really fascinating to see and unfortunately it's very sad that people are manipulated like that oh yeah you and I we realize that a mutual person was like telling us both different things and we had the text messages to read to each other to prove that we had been told different things and then another person involved we were all trying to talk and that person got told another thing that then just ceased all communication by the same puppet master by the same puppet master was and the reason why there has to be a complete block of communication is because if we do have the evidence I have the text messages you have the text messages we know the truth I mean I pulled up my file I have a whole file of the evidence and I you know for one case there is a detective here in the United States that is working on the case actively at the moment and for another case I've submitted everything to the FBI because it's out of the country and they have everything and so it's but this is huge this is huge spiritually I'm going to read it again spiritually abusive leaders avoid avoid your request for conflict resolution but are quick to confront you if you try to bring things up they are twisting you are seen as unteachable or blame shifting Catherine we got blamed for everything when really this is why it's so wonderful to see the interviews that you've done with people like Doug and things and that we've both done with other you know with Kelly and Claire et cetera because the thing is when people come out of these situations and they start to recognize it and I don't think there's a single one of us that won't have experienced this to some degree in our lives I really don't I've never met anyone that hasn't but the thing is it's gain letting go of the shame of realizing that you've been spiritually manipulated and starting to take your power back and trusting yourself because the trouble is it's like the emperor's new clothes price where everyone's scared to be the person that says but hang on a minute you actually not wearing any clothes and the thing is is because that's because people have been constantly disempowered disempowered disempowered and again it's not about shaming even the person that's doing it that's not the purpose this isn't about getting back at people it's realizing that we cannot shift the energy of the world we're in whilst we're keeping being engaging in this sort of negative energy cycle that's keeping us in this low vibe praise because actually we don't want to actually step away and so to say actually yeah I have been through that I mean we all have we've all been doing it we've all been doing it and we all will be again I'm sure but the great thing is is just being open enough to say that at least you're trying at least you're open you're learning you're you're not going to be the person that shuts off that stuff I've had people come to me in the past that they've told me things and I've shut it off and sort of okay spiritual manipulation you're just gossiping well there's a big difference between how energy shared with you yeah do actually I had a an instant recently where people were trying to tell me stuff about certain people and I'm like look I'm open but have you actually got something constructive or is this just gossip because there's a big difference have you got some evidence to show me or are you just gossiping about this person or if it's your intuition be honest about your intuition but don't try on this particular example they were trying to like make up examples to back up their case that didn't exist because when I go for the evidence so it's absolutely fine to say look it's just my intuition as well but be honest about where you're getting your information from right right and that's some you know that's I will say like as much as the shit that you and I have taken Catherine at least I can sleep at night because I've always told the truth with this I've stuck I would never you know and that's what's so shocking because I think that's the thing too like when you would never lie about something when you would never intentionally hurt somebody else or lie to somebody and manipulate text somebody one thing and text somebody else the other thing you know obviously that's a very puppeted assault a very puppeted chess game that's being played with people I would never do that to somebody and and I think when you know you would never do that you just assume other people would never do that either but I can go to sleep at night knowing that I have told the truth and I have said in my integrity and had tried to like have reasonable conversations with people and share the evidence and show the evidence of what I'm talking about but of course when you've got someone who's an abuser they're going to cut that off right and so so yeah all right so number seven spiritually abusive leaders will make you feel you can't change groups whatever or you'll miss what God has for you we see that in the Tesla are in the telegram Colts that's led led by the quote unquote Tesla where she basically is creating what's called what the Chinese use which is the social credit system where she's like if you don't agree with me or you don't if I don't like you then you're not going to get your Nisara that's a social credit system guys and that's what this is like you're going to miss what God has in store unless you unless you comply completely to what the leader wants spiritually abusive leaders to man their way over your free will and scare you with threats to your reputation if you don't comply or shame you by bringing up past failures well I've already had the worst thrown at me and I'm still here guys so I know that sucks when that happens you know the Scientologists deal with this they call it fair gaming and Scientology but listen if I can if I can have what's been thrown at me from these groups and I can still be here and doing videos and happy with my life and so can you and if you if this is what's if this is what's pulling if this is what's stopping you from leaving whatever group you're in I'm just going to tell you right now feel free to email me at esotericatlanta at gmail.com I will be your support I will help you process this if this happens to you so you don't have to go through it alone because it is very it does create PTSD it does create trauma but in some incidents like my incidents you will get the police involved and you can get legal protection so just you guys know that all right spiritually can I just add to that as well is it a real thing that I've seen happen a lot and the thing is if you get to my age there's not a single one amongst us that hasn't got something in their past that they wouldn't want bought up it's okay to make mistakes it's okay to learn from them it's okay to grow you're not meant to be the same person in your mid fifties that you were as a teenager you learn through going through life it's this if someone's going to bring that up and threaten and blackmail you and shame you for it they're not a friend when you get to the stage where you can own it and say I've seen the most amazing interviews with people there they've owned it and say yeah I I was an old but that stage I did do this and I'm sorry and I've learned from it and my ego with you know we are all human our egos will get in the way our greed will get in the way it's it's okay to cock up don't let people hold that against you please absolutely and I will say that to you on the flip of that as well if you have been someone that's acted as like a flying monkey for a narcissist but you didn't know that the time because you were spiritually manipulated as well as someone like myself who has gone through a lot of narcissistic abuse if you are to ashamed to like apologize or come talk to me don't be I don't you know for any bar and I think most people who've been through spiritual manipulation who have come out the other side don't necessarily when you wake up and realize that you were used and abused as well so don't be afraid to to address that with somebody if you're sitting God I was totally duped by this person I feel bad because I said nasty things about an innocent person or I did nasty things to this innocent person I really want to apologize but I'm ashamed don't you know don't be ashamed like it's just reach out to that person now there are some some cases where you you do have scorched earth but in most situations just apologizing to somebody will mean the world to that person that you know so anyway that I like that you want to move on as well because you've basically an energetic level cleared and really shown by your actions that you have learned and moved on from it and I just it's so so valuable because we've all got situations where we need to do that absolutely and most people are pretty understanding and most people especially if you're genuinely sorry and and I would say like you know either email the person or text the person you're sorry and I promise you it will make you feel better it will make the other person feel better and even if there's no friendship or communication after that depending on how severe the situation is it will load load in your weight and their weight and it will bring that person that you want to apologize to validation as well and that will make a lot of difference in their energetic psyche as well so yeah so spiritually abusive leaders demand to be served instead of serve spiritually abusive letters silence their credits by making them the bad guy which kind of back to what we were saying that's projection spiritually abusive leaders don't give your you credit for your ideas and successes but take that credit for themselves you know what's happened I don't know if I told you this Catherine because there's always so much going on there are three people three quote unquote content creators out there who have smeared me like crazy and they will take my videos and then they will verbatom copy my research and put it on their channel and people have been sending it to me and I don't I mean there's nothing I can do about it but the good news is these people don't get like get like 50 views so it's not that big of a deal but it's still it's just comical because they and that goes back to the organic portal thing that organic portals are dark dark people can't create because darkness can't create they can only steal from the light so they're projecting onto the light calling the light the bad guy when they're the bad guy and then they're stealing the work of the light and presenting it I mean one person Catherine I'll have to send you this I won't say her name off on camera but I'll have to send you this person literally covered one of my biggest cases where I got one the biggest views with a year ago which was the orphan strike the child strike of 1899 and the train the orphan trains and literally took all of my research and made a video claiming it as her own and I was like it is unbelievable and again there's nothing wrong part of a good researcher will always quote their sources and give them I do you because so many ideas are not lovely and you can see something that can trigger something and it's like thank you so it's like this is what is learning about we see children learn this hopefully as they're growing up less so now because they're not allowed to learn a lot of this stuff now but you know as adults would never look to you know all to learn and you know sometimes it's just so important just to be authentic or carrying that with you is like they say if you can't forgive someone you are carrying that burden with you and it will manifest in one way or another negatively for you so you know regardless of what it means for the other people you owe it to yourself to just be honest with yourself if you cannot be honest with yourself you cannot be honest about anyone else absolutely and you're right Catherine when I when I do I try to credit people when I find research from other another person that I really like and agree with and that's great because then you can expand upon it yourself and look at your research but when people are just verbatimly copying you word for word like a script and I was told by somebody that this particular person used to like get notifications for my videos and then would go into the room and like write down what I was saying you know and then taking credit for them themselves when it's not their work it's my work it's plagiarism so you know that is huge that is huge spiritually abusive leaders bully shame or tease you into breaking your communicated boundaries so they you know they they don't allow you we actually get that from 99% of our subscribers Catherine are amazing awesome people like I love 99% of the people who watch as I consider them friends but that one person of people we get our boundaries as YouTubers get crossed all the time from from these bullies on these trolls on the internet so yeah spiritually abusive leaders dismiss you when you no longer serve their need right you like Catherine we met on YouTube we've been filming together now for like what four years or something and I feel like yeah friend of mine like I feel we've been through Catherine I've been through hell and back together off camera so I feel like we are we are bound we are we are bonded for life we we we went through our friendship is strong now but you know when you are with somebody who is like a narcissist this is even in a personal relationship like when you are dating a narcissist when you don't serve their purpose anymore that you they then they go through the discard phase but they discard you so and true friends don't do that to you like true friends never done vice in our friendship and you know recognized with others we've never tried to change each other as well and we've never needed to agree with each other all the time so there's a big difference to that you know there really is a big difference it's like this is where society's gone so wrong now that people you know you're not meant to be clones of each other we're all unique we're all different we're all going through different experiences at different things and that's absolutely fine and I think you know a lot of people have been really abused spiritually by not being allowed to be themselves not being allowed to go through things not being allowed to have a different opinion yeah oh absolutely and that's that's you're totally right I don't know anybody who has the exact same viewpoint as anybody else even your partner right so absolutely absolutely let's see a spiritually abusive leaders accuse you of stealing their message when you grow beyond them yep spiritually abusive leaders gaslight you into thinking you're crazy that goes back to the first right spiritually abusive leaders can't admit fault but use the knowledges of others fault to cause fear and intimidation 1000% 1000% spiritually abusive leaders have their minions do their dirty work and isolate intimidate or manipulate those who don't comply that's called flying monkeys I was just referring back to that they do that all the time because narcissists typically are very lazy so they they have to form a cult or something like that to get people like my situation with the EIE cult um and my police reports I have multiple screenshots and that from other people claiming to dog nap my dog claiming to to hurt me um physically um and that's because they're doing the bidding of the leader of that particular cult right spiritually abusive leaders the elite and don't interact with the sheep oh my god Catherine are we seeing this in a truth or world or are we seeing this there are truthers on YouTube that think they're literally brab pit and like I'm like I'm I'm a freaking you I mean I'm going in my bedroom right like I'm just a person you know um rights okay spiritually abusive leaders use their charisma to create cult like following that would defend them when they are questions again that goes back to that flying monkey thing and yep narcissists are very spiritually abusive leaders create a culture of popular inner circle if someone raises a concern they are put out of the click and and the other inner circle people are afraid to speak up again that goes to that actually Emperor has no clothes right spiritually abusive leaders around themselves with oh only with people who praise them fear them or submit to them spiritually abusive leaders convince people they can't understand that they can't understand the deeper things of God and need their help this is big guys this goes back to the whole profit thing all across the internet and all communities where people are using divination as a form to have people conform to their opinion right they use that their ability to to do whatever craft they know how to do to try to manipulate people into believing their lies right because they somehow know how to get information that you don't well anybody can learn how to divinate and my opinion friends were all profits we all can get messages from God but the message that God so therefore maybe I shouldn't say anything to you because it's none of my business what your relationship with God is and this is also using what I call using God as a weapon using divinity as a weapon and that's not cool that is not cool at all spiritually abusive leaders don't help you overcome your sin in your life but discard you and make you look like you are a bad a bad leader I'm not going to say sin here I'm going to say maybe places where you're working your work they discard the work you're doing in your life and then make you look bad because you are admittedly struggling with things like anger or betray you know these these wounds that we all work on and they'll use that against you right spiritually abusive leaders and churches that those who bring bring up legitimate issues as enemies those who were once friends or allies swiftly become enemies once a concerned is raised sometimes these folks are banished told to be silent mission so this happened to us Catherine like we have legitimate concerns and and evidence of these concerns like legitimate issues for somebody that used to be a friend of ours that could have gotten this person into legal trouble that could have been really bad and we had legitimate concerns and and proof and we were dismissed and now we are an enemy right yeah absolutely I'm happy to be so exactly because at least I don't have at least I'm not on the the FBI at this point spiritually abusive leaders lie without a conscience they use their platform as worth protecting for the sake of the gospel or let's say the sake of the truth or community or the sake of whatever it is that they are peddling and so again I'm going to put this it is once again just to reiterate guys this is a Christian website I do not believe that the church is any better than any other organization but I do think there's some really good points here to look at is like the bite model really important point as well because this is what I love is is when you're really open to learning information we've discussed this a lot and I know we both discussed it with Shanti on a choir as rising a morning is is as Shanti says you know the man can fall but the message remains pure and the thing is is we can't someone's put that in there and that's a brilliantly put together list that will help so many people for thank you so much for finding that and sharing it I've not found anything that good before every single thing on that website to realize that's really good information that can help you and I think when we get out we've spoken so many times about getting out this black and white thinking take what resonates for you what you need right now and just leave the rest and don't worry about it absolutely and that's a really good point like it's like the bite model I love the Stephen Hassan's bite model but I don't die the like Dr. Stephen Hassan Hassan however you say is last name because he himself I believe he himself Doug from days been not confused and I've spoken about that because he he agrees with me on that but he also likes the bottom by model you know so you you don't you don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water you can take what's good but recognize that the human being is the human beings are fallible right but but some of this information is very valuable and so yeah so I guess the moral of the story is first of all I hopefully this is enlightening for people and hopefully it opens up another area of awareness for where you can be manipulated and I just want to reiterate and this is just my opinion you guys but for my opinion God higher consciousness whatever vocabulary word you want to give the supreme consciousness is nothing but light mercy and grace there's nothing you can do that is going to take that that privilege away from you to have that relationship with the divine and people though will come in and try to manipulate that and use that as a weapon and so I just I want everybody listening to know there is no human being on this earth that can dictate what your future looks like or the or the condition of your soul right that so I just want to clarify that if you are feel like if you feel like somebody is doing that to you whether it is through a church whether it is through another type of cult like like a nexium or a Scientology or whether it's someone in the truth or community or whether it's someone who's divinating understand that good people who are in these positions of like authority in these like spiritual organizations are always going to honor the fact that you as concerned you are equal to them you know if you're divinator the only differences is that you've studied how to divinate that's it yeah the clients opinion is also extremely valuable especially if the question is regarding their life and there are really good people out there for every bad person out there who's spiritually manipulating there is a good person that will be honest with you and integral with their work with you if that makes sense same with yoga same with I'm sharing the holistic healing Catherine there's a lot of people with God's Alexis people can go through stages as well so you know you can be really on in a line and then you can go through an ego or greed stage and go off the tracks but a lot of those people then come back again as well because they've learned different lessons in that process and I think recognising this I think is so so helpful for people because it's really really hard for people to discern particularly since a lot of the people that will watch this and that we resonate with haven't necessarily got people in their immediate families that they can discuss these type of things with so therefore taking a look at it and feeling it's okay to sort of start questioning things it's not just okay it's absolutely essential is just perfect for you and it will really help believe that burden because deep down we're carrying it and we know it's just how how much we're willing to bring it to the surface and admit it and when we feel strong enough to deal with it as well and that is another point to they in the yoga world I will speak from the yoga world specifically that will kind of make their their whole circle in their life just yoga people like their friends they'll date within the yoga world that you know and so they kind of isolate themselves and I always encourage our students not to do that to maintain your friendships with people who don't practice yoga to maintain your friendships with people who are not specifically in your line of discipline because that's going to help you stay grounded and help you not to be manipulated by the same thing you know I'm friends with people who got this you know I don't agree with this but I'm friends with them and I want to maintain that because none of us really knows what's truly going on in this world and so to isolate yourself away from anybody who's different from you is a is a red flag and it's a concerning flag and you're right Catherine a lot of times people have to like learn those lessons the hard way I have for sure you know and so that you want to keep you want to keep yourself very balanced and grounded and the the final thing I'll say is if this is an enlightening episode to you because you realize you have been the flying monkey or maybe you have or as we're saying people have to learn lessons the hard way don't be afraid to apologize don't be afraid just to be like I fucked up you know and I would again suggest you watch all of our Scientology friends because they're really good at saying I fucked up and that they've learned a lot from them and the courage it takes for them to say I messed up and I am sorry and I'm going to try to course correct and let's talk about this so you know there's a I actually Catherine people who can apologize you can be like I am so sorry I really screwed up when people do when I people come to me and there's no I'm sorry but I'm sorry but or I'm yeah it's just that I'm sorry I really screwed up and I know you hate me and I really when people have the balls to do that Oh back for them jumps way up absolutely absolutely it's so so powerful it's powerful for us to think about where we need to go out and apologize to someone you know we are human we're going to fall off the pedal stall for goodness sake let's let's let ourselves have a little bit of leeway you know even Idris the wonder cat catches birds at times as you know if someone is perfect as Idris will still sometimes do naughty things and spray we on my bag so you know and lighting up a bit and have fun and let you but just remember it starts with you and the only one that can go through this journey and and man up about it really so when you feel strong enough when the time is there just just take your power back we've had so many people talking about taking a power back and yet still doing this you can't take your power back unless you realize that this is a thing of where it's happening to you absolutely and I will invite you guys in the comments section if you want to leave your stories of spirit if you want to you don't have to I know for some people they're very private but if you have a story to share that you want to share kind of like the story I shared with the of where you know there's been spiritual manipulation I invite you to share those stories just to help people understand they're not alone when it comes to this kind of coercion and and yeah all right you guys well we've got more exciting stuff coming I hope you have having a wonderful wonderful week with what's to think about right yeah lovely thank you so much I learned a lot from that so thank you for that Bryce and thank you for anyone who's joined us on this we really appreciate you absolutely we'll talk to you guys next week over there on Catherine's channel bye everybody bye