 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews in this episode of mind pump For 42 minutes with your introductory conversation. We talk about our new sponsor life aid Life aid they make good good drinks there. I like the party aid one. That's my favorite one. I like life aid Yeah, they're good stuff. If you go to life aid bevco.com forward slash mind pump You can get two cans of your favorite life aid type drink for 99 cents. It's basically free Basically free. Then we have a little debate. Would you rather freeze or burn? Which one do you choose? That's the obvious one. Then we talked about our fourth of July getaway. We were up in the Mountains of Carmel. It was beautiful up there and we discovered a camouflaged spy house It's really weird a couple voodoo dolls of just kind of creepy we also mentioned my hangover prevention remedy and includes activated charcoal and Organifies green juice love that green juice. We are sponsored by organifi if you go to organifi.com Forward slash mind pump and enter the code mind pump. You'll get 20% off Then we talked about the Miss America pageant eliminating the swimsuit portion. What just lost your mind Justin's not gonna watch it awful idea find out turning off the TV How we would and then we came up with our own version of what we think that Miss America should look like Then we get into the questions. The first question was what is the importance of rest period? Timing for certain goals, for example, what if you just want to build muscle or what if you want to just maximal strength? Or if you want lots of endurance, how should you manipulate your rest periods? To maximize each of those the next question is when you're in a calorie deficit What things dictate how much fat you lose? Versus how much muscle you lose is a big problem when people try to lose weight and that problem is losing muscle Which just slows down the metabolism How do you prevent that and the next question was this individuals working out six days a week high volume crazy training? But now would like to work out three to four days a week because they've been listening to our episode for a little while And they know that hmm might be better off for them to do so How can they try how can they scale it back without gaining lots of body fat? Hmm and the final question if we were all on death row Why would we be on death row and what would our last meal be because we're pretty gangster? That's right Also this month maps anabolic the foundational maps program the program to start them all the best strength and muscle building program We have is 50% off half off So we took the total price cut in half you can find it at mine pump media comm We also have maps bundles on that same site maps bundles where we take multiple maps programs We put them together and we discount them like 20 or 30 percent off for example Our super bundle is a year of exercise program in combined several maps programs That's you following unison to get yourself to look sexy with an ear So you can find that bundle and all the bundles and the 50% off maps anabolic at mine pump media comm Little little flimmy this morning. Flem. Flemmy. Yeah. Oh, is that a thing? Flemmy. Yeah. Can I be Flemmy? Yeah, so Flemmy is to be of Flem or Flemish. Wow. Wait. No Flemish is uh, isn't that from a country? I feel like yeah, that's a different meaning. Are you from another country? What country? I'm done. Mish Can I be Flemmy Doug? Is that a thing? You can be flamie. No, not flamie. He definitely be flamie. I feel flammy Flemmy Maybe did you did you happen to share anything that I? Had put my saliva on Whoa, like a joint possibly. Yeah, you might be getting sick then. Why are you sick again? I just want to scare you first. Yeah, you did I was just you know remember when we first started I used to get sick a lot No, we're gonna take any more dude. You you're ill, but you weren't always sick Ellis, but you're ill. You know what I you know what I attribute that to mmm party aid party Can go hard and I can that's right recover harder. Yeah, that's a terrible Actually actually like when we first met with the guy from what was his name? Do you get you can't do that fuck up Aaron's name like that Aaron? Yeah, I love him. He's a great guy Yeah, but I'm always skeptical with like, you know drinks like this or whatever. Yeah, you look the ingredients and everything It's legit. Yeah, man. It's no artificial sweet. Well, you know, it's before we met caffeine And what I mean is like the ingredients are like what he puts in there for party aid Are the things you would definitely want if you were going hard and you want to yeah What are those ingredients like milk thistle is in there five HTPs in there like these are all things that Help your brain deal with the so you can regain that clarity From the fogginess from the night before it just recover better like milk thistle for example helps your liver The toxify mmm. It's also my favorite tasting one too. Yeah, party eight. Yeah. Yeah Well, you know that one's the one that I picked so you have to pick a different one I like life aid the best. No, I think party flavor your life aid. No, no, I'm life aid Did they start out with life aid? That was the first one or was it I thought he'd mentioned it was golf first Right. No, no golf wasn't a different golf wasn't first life aid was first. I think yeah life life aid was first, you know Which ones you did the commercial with it? But party aids the one that I that I said was the one that I liked the most. Oh, that's yeah, the the black can Yeah, that's why they that's the fit. That's the first one. That's fit aid That was a fit aid was the very first one and I remember the first time I ever saw it I saw it at CrossFit Jim mm-hmm, and I remember tasting it and I was like, oh, I really like this And I looked at the back of it. I'm like 45 calories. Yeah, look the back of it I'm like, oh, this is better than a red bull. You know I'm saying the red bulls got a bunch of other garbage inside But they don't sweeten it with artificial stuff. Yeah, that's good. All right. That's what I mean like it's a fit aid I think has the branch in amino acids and I can't remember what else is there The party aids the one that I've been using because I like that the milk thistle tyrosine For neurotransmitters 5-HTP. It's like a good. I know you've been buying them We're supposed to get a case of it sent to us with the refrigerator. I've been drinking them and you've been buying them No, no, I like I like them too. I really like so I had been told first thing I heard about it when I was working out at buddies Jim who told me like you got to meet the guys from life aid They're really fucking cool That was the first time I heard it then I heard it again when we were hanging out at the Spartan and we met some other member the dudes from Barbell the barbell show that we can't either name their show. What's their show called barb public beyond the barbell Beyond the barbell those guys were can't kept ranting and raving about the life of guys Ben Greenfield It must have been like five people later I was like we have to meet these guys. Yeah, because we really weren't we didn't want to do it We wanted nothing to do with yeah We were so anti anything to do with supplements or energy drink anything We were so against it that we like just ignored it for such a long period time by the time I get about five people they're like you need to meet with these guys that you will you're gonna like them and Sure as shit the first time we all hung out I was like, oh, this is our people for sure. So love the message love the brand love the guys behind the brand Doing some cool stuff, dude, and they're just growing man They're everywhere. They're in Whole Foods and I see it like all over the place every gas station I'm at now too as well tough business to succeed into I can't it was so impressive because like Adam was saying like I used to see these little Coolers that they would put in gyms or CrossFit gyms or functional training kind of like gyms Just initially to get the word out and like trainers sort of adopted it and then I sought grow like over the years like crazy I just think it's really clever how they brand it with like each each one like the golf array the life a the party a and each one Of those has like two to three grams of a supporting supplement for what that person probably would need so yeah I'm gonna go off for doing this for the function. Yeah. Yeah, we're not we're not talking about just getting cracked out and Energetics like that's where we're gonna get Yeah I'm so energetic Yeah, all you gotta do is just flood the caffeine in there and that's you know usually the formula We don't use that sugar. Yeah, the word energetic is not used enough. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'd be like who doesn't want to be energetic. Yeah energetic. Yeah, I like that I like that now that we're working with them and stuff. We have a really cool Campaign that they're doing and it's try to can so any two cans you want for 99 cents So that's kind of cool and you and you just go to our life aid Bevco comm 4 slash mine pump and there's a there's a landing page there So people go right through the landing page and then order it so you get to try it out for and then you can't beat that Dude 99 cents. I mean they're losing up. That's what's dope is the product so rad That's when you know, you got a solid product and a solid company is that I mean between shipping the product The cans alone itself are gonna cost them almost that much money So they're losing on that counting on that, you know, people will like yeah that a greater percentage of people will still Like them and you can actually get them shipped, which is nice Which is why we could actually work with them because we can't do stuff. It's tough when we I mean we have You know the brew doctor and stuff that we get to do something with that they're in Whole Foods only But most companies they don't ship Online because how expensive it is but they actually do exactly so excited about that one I'm just I'm just excited about the bathrobe you're wearing right now I'm trying to make a fashion statement in the gym. It's cold in here. It is cold It's cold in here and I had nothing in my dad move right there. We can't we cannot I don't give a shit for the life of us Cannot get the right temperature in any place we work. No, it just doesn't work that way It's either I mean freeze or die of heat There's nothing in the middle and I would rather freeze than die of heat. That's just where I'm at I agree. So I'm not I'm not even complaining like I got no problem. Yeah, robe it out. This is okay Wait a minute. That's a good question. Would you rather freeze to death or die to death of heat? Or burn to death. Yeah burn to death or freeze to death freeze to death for sure Not only that like I'd rather be freezing cold. I would rather super hot. I think freezing to death would take longer to die Yeah, you know I mean like if I dropped you on the top of the Himalayas How long would you like I feel like you would you because it's cold you would get numb Like you it's so cold that you would numb and then die, right? Everything would slow down burning is like your skin melting and you're good once it's melted It's gone. You don't feel nothing your nerves are done. The process of it being melted though He's first gonna burn the hair and burn the layer skin off. I feel like you die faster in the fire I'm comfortable then you would in this in the I think even now you're saying you're on fire I thought we were just like overheated. You know what I mean? Yeah To the extreme right now, why can't you just say would you rather be just really fucking cold? Yeah, or so hot right like which one would you rather well depends on the temperature like would you would you have well We give a realistic all right fine. You're gonna be at 104 degrees gotta walk 33 degrees You got to walk five miles in 120 degree weather or or five miles in 10 degree weather ten degree in Yeah, naked both ways. No, that's not fair. Why so here's that here's where I can like mess with my internal core temperature I've got to manipulate it. Oh god. Now cuz you did Wim Hof I have the powers Justin's immune. He wins one ice. We want ice bath. Does Wim Hof not work for heat You know, I don't know about that. I've never tried it, but that's interesting. I can't stand heat So I don't know that might well think about this way As humans, okay, there's a lot more that we can do to warm ourselves up than to cool ourselves off like you can only Yeah, take off so much clothes if it's a hundred and twenty outside and you're coming home without tech No, you see but it's all technology, right, right, but we are loud. We are allowed to use that closer technology Right, I said I have to be able to jump in water You know if I'm like super super hot like I gotta be around water Yeah, I'm just like if you're in a cold environment you can bundle up and cover up Like if you're in a super hot environment, you can only get away. Yeah, you can't get away from it Well, how about this? Here's a new one Walking five miles and a hundred and twenty degree heat wearing winter clothes or walking five miles and ten degree Whether wearing summer clothes Yeah, that's I mean again, it's gonna go back to the the cold ten degrees wearing shorts and a tee in a tank top Bro, I've done 30 below. Have you really? Yeah, I've never done that. It's horrible What's that like? It's it's piercing like you can't like you can't even like ignore it You know, you're just walking it penetrates through whatever you're wearing It doesn't matter unless you have like a down coat, which I found out later. That's the move and I was like wearing three sweatshirts and like two jeans and like I just have because how the doubling tripling down holds the Holds the heat inside or what? Yeah, it keeps it. Yeah, it just keeps everything. Yeah, your core temperature within but like It's hella down. Yeah, it's down Like I don't know what it is about like the the wind Factor is the wind chill factor that it just really just gets right through now That's what makes it a bone. I imagine Chicago's like up there with some of the coldest places to be Yeah, cuz it's right off of the the kit like Canada So you get all that cold front from Canada coming up the lake and then off the lake You get that wind that just blows right back your teeth shadow right away. Just when you go outside Just ah like you brace like so hard cuz like Tense up all your muscles. I heard if you like oh, yeah It sucks. Wow, you know, it's eyes and everything's hard to see. You know, it's remarkably Good for cold and hot what material the mind pump t-shirts in Regulated It's Stay authentic. It's the month especially when you buy like six of them and you layer right if you wear six That's what I'm trying to say. You can if it's really hot You only need one if depending on the weather you add the shirts and they provide protection Mind pump t-shirt. That's a good call. Hey, so what did you do just in last night after you left us? so we've already Scotts Valley and Checked out a little bit of fireworks, but basically He went home and did sparklers It's in the air you kind of see him and you make you make a big deal I didn't sound like you went somewhere. No, hey, would you do so? I went to the San Jose? I feel like the boys. I feel like the boys are having more fun chasing the dogs around making s'mores Even though they could have fireworks. Yeah, they probably were yeah, we had we had like Great intentions going in and we're just all super just tired, bro And you got kids man. Yeah, because you guys are chasing around your kids are pretty good though They're not they're not bad kids. Well, I should hope not. Yeah, they're good kids to beat them. Yeah No, we don't want to do that. No, they're very well behaved. Oh good Dude, Ethan is just so fun to talk to dude Right he was chatting it up. He's at that age right now where I love to talk to kids around my age, dude But give or take two or three years where he's at right now This like they feel like their brains are moving so fast and they they're really like I feel like they're really intelligent at this point You know I'm saying that up up into that point It's kind of like the kids running around trying to figure things out But like now he's like start you could see him trying to process things, right? And so I love to challenge them in just a conversation like they'll be you'll have be talking with him And you ask instead of just letting them give you an answer you ask him challenging questions Like well, why why do you say that or why do you think you're having and then to hear how they articulated is really great? And he was showing me He really wants to be a YouTube star. He did a bunch of stop motion videos Yeah, so his phone is just full of all these stop motion videos I mean he must have 30 in there and you maybe watch them all right, so I'm like So he's not gonna let you leave till you watch like to the very end of each video It's great What's great though is like he's really into it and you can tell he's put a lot of time and effort into making him And he's into improving on it like and so He's like a couple years away from working for us. I think I think so too. Yeah, he came way under minimum weight He's going through some of the stop motion pictures and a couple of them are blurry and Justin's like Yeah, I know you need to work on some of the some of those blurry ones And I looked and I said, you know you should ask your dad for the iPhone 10 Now you got that in his head Yeah Try to take this serious thanks, Adam. Yeah, dude. You miss you missed out bro on the the secret house You didn't see it. So was it up the I think I saw it was up the mountain. No, no no no no with the swing No, no, no, yeah, yeah, so there's that so we we rented this didn't like go up there But I saw that we rented this like an amazing home in the mountains of Carmel right and it's this huge house all this land Yeah, it was a trippy house the way it was put together was like a separate very interesting room That was separate downstairs and you could tell the people that made it were eclectic And it was it was actually really really cool place to stay But then when we're out in the like the patio area with where the fire is if you look up the mountain You know, I think Adam pointed out he's like there's like a house up there But it looks camouflage, you know those old that you know those Vietnam movies where they'll like cover equipment with like green They're not blankets, but they almost look like they're like camo to hide them from helicopters or stuff Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly so we saw some of that we're like is there a house up on the like what is that? And I'm kind of tripping on like is there someone up there like what is that so he's got like a scope Yeah, yeah, look at everybody so later on of the day you should hear this creep So later on the day Adam and I are like he's like I'm like dude Let's go and see because there was a trail that goes up stairs and there was like this landing But it looks like that's where the stairs and and Adam's like No, he goes there's a trail further than that and he goes I wonder if that goes to the house up there Ah, so we're like let's fucking do it So we get on the the stairs go all the way up get up to the landing go up this trail and sure enough It leads first. There's a sign that says private property. Oh, there's private no trespass private property Don't trespass don't trespass so now I'm like what the fuck you're like we're still going no And so we're still going but we're all like super. Yeah, we're like like you're gonna set off a trip We're not sure we're walking up on somebody else's house. We don't know what's going on We're like so we're like this like to step on some land. It's like a mystery, right? Yeah, so we're going up there and then we see the door and Adam's like oh shit It's like I think it's open so First we walk around crazy first we walk around we look around the property up there And sure enough it's a like a almost like a tree house up in the mountain. Yeah with camouflage covering it Yeah, look kind of like how hunters they set up like some some little from far away, right? Yeah, that they can sit and snipe fuck is this right. It's just big though No, no, no, just you can get bigger you need creeped out good. So we walk in there's like 15 Computer screens up all And each one of them is an angle in the house that we were staying in its videotaping all of us. Shut the fuck up No, it's just the house So many people are doing this Then there were pictures of all of us And an X an X You guys made it out. I'm here to ward you there was an X over your face. No, no, no We didn't see that I said that afterwards to everybody downstairs for me and Adam and I fucking scared the shit everybody No, it's just a tree. It's like a treehouse type thing But a like a full-blown house. It's fucking sick kitchen bathroom shower bedroom Oh, it's own self-sustained place, but it's part of it's part of the house weird I was down there because then there's signs above everything like please turn off the lights when you leave And so you could tell it's part of the Airbnb So it was really cool though. She could rent that and the big house. I think we did yeah We had access to that weird. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that so that so what I think First off we had access to it's awesome But a reason why I think it was so here's the part of it because I'm like why are they camouflaging it? That's kind of weird. Yeah, so then we as we're leaving we look under the house And we're looking at the foundation and Adam starts cracking up. He's like this is not up to code at all Like I bet they built this shit to tell anybody yeah and put the camo on it so nobody sees that it's there But it was really cool. It's like a full it's a full mountain person Like that's that's what we do. Oh, yeah You just put it up and like you tell anybody about it. There's a lot of effort I mean the trail is they actually had these nice little brick stones that yeah, and the like little solar panel lights Oh, yeah That led up the trail and it was you could tell that they had somebody who keeps it cleaned up So you can get all the way up there But it definitely had a little creepy feel to it for sure mm the old the old swing that was sitting on there Oh, and then there was also the window to the kitchen in there because it was a small house It's probably the size of this this room right here Yeah, maybe even smaller about this and then there was a window and the window is looking into the mountain because the Mountain keeps sloping up and then they're all these little Easter Island. You know Easter Island statues. Yeah. Yeah, the Moai Okay, there you go. So there's a whole bunch of them like looking into the window. It's kind of cool creepy Interesting. It was interesting creepy definitely the people If the cameras were there that's what they were yeah Easter Island. Yeah, what are they called Moai? Yeah, I thought that's what they're called What are they? What are they? What are they? What are they? It's a mystery? Yeah, it's nobody knows why And how like where did they come from and because like how do they get there? So you just tell me that we don't even know what they brought them We don't even know what that signifies and and you don't think that's creepy that it's up in the house like that Well, no, they those were obviously replicas. They didn't have the actual East no I know but that's what that's what makes it creepy to me It's no people decorating the old, you know ancient civilization. Come on, bro There was Buddha's there was all kinds of stuff all over the place, but the actual Easter Island ones They don't know why those are there was called Moai Doug, you know, okay? We'll find out. I don't know. So we don't know anything about those I never know. No, we will find out though. We have Doug on the on the trail right now It's on the trail. Doug's on the trail. Don't fail us. Doug. Yeah, I think I think you might have been wrong Adam Oh, he was right. Yes. Good job Justin guys. Yeah What episode is number is this? It's almost every time anyway, we had it we had a good time, dude It was a good time good time over there. That was really nice place There was a good call good good people good drinks. You have completely ruined Moscow mules for me I mean, that's I order them at bars all the time. Do the mine first mule I mean, it's it's a staple thing the way you make them is better than anybody else though. Well, it makes it I started experimenting with I started experimenting I did this a long time ago With other supplements so way back in the day You know, I used to be able to buy like branched you mean a acid Powder and they'd flavor it with like all these chemicals and it tastes the kind of sweet Mm-hmm. I would make mixed drinks with that because I thought I thought it was better Yeah, then alcohol so why not throw some BCAA's in there. Yeah, what happens anyway? It's not better than alcohol. Mm-hmm by itself But I am trying to figure out a way to use To like we do the charcoal when we drink. Yeah, right to kind of offset some of that. Oh, we also have the gluten-free Tito's, you know, that's a good call The other thing is the I've used also is the green juice I'll do that before and after a drink and then before bed the gold juice from organifi Mm-hmm, and I have yet to have a really shitty feeling following morning and then a party aid You know the next day, right dude. You got it all works fully covered now I can't go out and do I can't wait till we have the cases in there So we can use it like that more often because what we I haven't done is take like a party aid with us to like a trip Like that to where I did have it afterwards. Yeah, I'm you know I'm following the protocol that you set charcoal What trip were we on when you for that that was like ever since then I was like oh shit I can actually drink every once in a while now must have been Austin you you give us all pills We were all I'll never forget it. We were all out somewhere. Oh was Austin It was Austin and we were at that cool little swanky bar Yeah, and we were all sitting out and salve comes out and he's like he tells everyone late that night Yeah, it gives everybody two charcoal pills Nobody even asked me a question anymore. Now. Just give you guys You hoard everything we're less like you're less you're less likely to like not share it than to fucking overshare Well, give me pills. I'm like, yeah, do this. Well, there's there's a reason for that You can't no way Adam couldn't hold any pills Oh Forget Like the time that once like the time you took 15 servings of what should we call it Yeah Bring the shit Evil spirits took over me Throwing up like a dragon could call my mom over that way. You thought you had you thought you were yes evil shit was coming at you It was 15 servings You went you went deep no dude I'm charcoal the green the charcoal and green juice is what I've been doing the most that's that's what I've been the most Yeah, I'm the most consistent with that also and that makes such a huge now The other side of this is I don't drink until I can't see anymore I don't think nothing. I don't think anything will save us do that anymore Yeah, I know I wonder if the organifi people know that that's how we use their supplements What to help us drink more? Bad habits. I can't I don't think they can be happy with that commercial. I don't know Using them that way. Yeah, we're realistic. I mean people I'm just talking about how I'm just talking about my experience I mean that's all I agree. I mean it works for me too. So I mean I use their protein Uh, I use their protein in the probably two three days Dude, how about when Aaron Alexander came over here, right from what you would call it this dude, okay line podcast Yeah, this there's this there's this movement on on this and this is where I was always afraid sal could get this weird You know I'm saying like he was going down this holistic path that I was like, dude Do not be the guy who shows up to work every day barefoot and no shirt on and we'll take a cup out of the trash And mix a protein shake with your finger in it like don't become that guy. Please don't become that guy Hey, he literally he literally did that dude. We were all we're all good. We just got done shooting He reaches in our trash hungry. He he he throws out it goes over to our our organized protein shake He was an old cup what it was it was an old cup and I had some fluid in it. We don't know And he just dumped out the fluid. Yeah, it was like an old coffee cup. He just dumped out the fluid whatever I don't care what it was. It was old. He got his organized protein, but then he mixed it with his two fingers Which doesn't mix very well. Yeah, no those You could shake the shit out of those things and you still don't mix it perfect No, he was I remember the days he used to put like scoops in your mouth And then you try and like put water in afterwards. I did that with a pretty bad idea I used to do that with pre-workout pre-workout and creatine things like that because you just want to get it in You know what I mean, dude? That's like this. Oh, yeah Yeah, that is gnarly. Yeah, it's like eating saltine cracker. It's almost impressive. I'll be honest Yeah, I'm weird in a different way. I'm not weird in that way. No, you're weird in a good way I balance it off. But every once in a while when we get we get into the holistic hippie talk and stuff like that I get a little worried. What's hippie talk? You know Talking all about all your chakra and tumor. I can Get a celestial on us. I've never brought I've never brought up a chakra It's usually when you have that golden hue. It's only when we emanate that was you That has to be the Bro that day we were at the beach. I don't know what just an eight or whatever But we're sitting there and he's looking at me and every he would look straight ahead And then he would look at me like this kind of sideways and then he'd look away and start like laughing He couldn't look at me like what do you think my mind was playing tricks on me or something you're golden And then you look away and start laughing golden one What would you do if I started floating right there? I'm like you can see me Maybe he was right about himself, you know This whole time I told you dude. Yeah, I've been saying this a little time. Oh, I didn't believe you dude, dude It was nice to get good for you. Yeah, you're golden. Yeah. It was nice to see your guys as dogs Hang out a little bit. Yeah, that's not the first time they met I got along pretty well. Yeah. No, I think that was the first time they hung out. Yeah That's the first time Marlowe's been around though. I mean, I was only what eight months old There was only one little Scruff little kerfuffle. Yeah, and that was when who was it was trying to have sex with it with uh, Bentley was just trying to oh Bentley tried to mount them a little But that's you know, they say they're cool. They have their dogs and their owners, you know, I mean Same way I reacted the first time I met Justin But it's like Arlo wasn't having it's Get off me, dude. I'm not like that. All right, let's just be friends. They got all right fine. I had to try I had to try So I just wanted to see just wanted to see but then they were all good. Yeah, they were all good after that Yeah, no, they you know, it's uh, the the boys are they get anxiety man It's it's really weird like and I know partially is it anxiety or is it excitement or does it matter the same difference? Right, right. I think that and I the part that I blame myself on is that I didn't socialize them enough when they were younger they had like A one or two dog friends of friends of mine that had dogs that they would play with occasionally But I didn't take them to the dog parts on a regular on a regular basis and you know That they're in that they were always in between that small dog and big dog Like they do better with like big dogs because they can handle themselves like big dogs because they Bentley weighs 75 pounds, but they're short and stocky. You know I'm saying so they got center of gravity Yeah, and so because of that I I didn't really take them around and it's like, you know, their teen years as a dog or whatever And ever since then like they just get really weird and I would take Bentley out and this is just around a lot of people Yeah, people it doesn't even be dogs just people like they just don't get a lot of Like it's just everything around them. He get it's like he has add, dude We'll go and I'll take him to a restaurant where like Santana Royal where you can eat outside and sit there And he's like so excited of all the noises and the things that are going on that he just can't Sit still and you can see that he even if I have him tied up right next to me It's he's so excited that his heart rate's going so his heart rate elevates and he's panting and he's breathing so heavy And and the bulldogs when they breathe that like that It's so loud and so it's embarrassing You know, so you're trying to eat out there and as cute as the dogs are they're breathing so heavy I got to think that the the person who's sitting right next to me or across the way from me Has to be so annoyed because if they're trying to have a nice conversation with their their date or whatever and they got to listen to my Like oh god, dude, so I just don't take them that often Unless it's like if it's just Katrina and I like they're fine We take them everywhere we travel when we travel they'll go with us as long as we're out of place That's dog friendly and stuff and they do just fine, but with the group that we had I mean how many people we have there with all the kids and everything. Oh, it was a lot of Yeah, we had about to what 12 or so close to that people at the house and So I just everyone's lot music's going barbecue's clanging and other dogs running around so You know, we had them drugged up a little bit So they we have these uh, you know, I don't know what you call them Suppressant or whatever for them that they take that they've the doctors given us that we use anxiety Yeah, and it works Yeah, it works pretty good. Adam's like look at he's like look at them. They look like they're stoned because they're like Oh, they think it calms them down. Yeah, it calms them down But I can tell they're they're out of it and I can tell they don't like being that way either You can just see I can just see it on them. I can see that they don't it's not like they're very cuddly Yeah, yeah, there's no there's such cuddly dogs, especially mazzi. Yeah mazzi's my lover Bentley's like a Depends on when you when you get them, you know, like he's sometimes he's in that mood Katrina, he's very close to her. She's because she's the The lover of the the two of us like on the alpha She's like the if they're hurt or they're sad or they get disciplined by me They go over to her side of the bed and sit there and want her they or while we're watching tv Bentley will sit next to her because He's the needy one that wants that mazzi is my cool guy like he I used to take him to orange theory all time And this was really cool. I used to be able to go and I would take him from the house Unleashed no call or no nothing like hop him in the get him in the car We'd show up to orange theory at five o'clock in the morning. He jumps out with me Follows me into the building and then he won't leave my heel more than about three feet And so I could be teaching classes You know critiquing form walking around talking to people black and he just walking back and forth Sit right next to me. He doesn't bug anybody that's why they're working now It just wants to be close close to me while I'm working That was really cool that I could do that with him, but I can't do that with Bentley Just so he doesn't get anxious by himself. No. Yeah by himself The only reason why mazzi is even a little bit anxious is because of Bentley Bentley rubs off on him And I always want to take mazzi places and Katrina's always getting mad at me She's like you can't take him because what happens Bentley probably gets he gets all but her Yes, so it's the funniest thing. So I would take mazzi kids I would take mazzi to orange theory And then when I would come home Like so when you walk in my door you walk right into the pantry or the the front area, right? And then straight up is the stairs And as soon as we walk in the door, you know mazzi would be next to me And Bentley would be at the top of the stairs just glaring like he'd been sitting there all day Just waiting waiting for us to come in through the door And then he would just give like this dirty ass look to both of us, right wouldn't come down wouldn't greet me or anything like that And then within an hour or two of us being home They would be fighting You know and it would be Bentley just and Bentley never antagonizes mazzi except for when I take him somewhere And I don't take him and so Katrina never lets me take just mazzi But I would take him I'd have him here right now. I mean because he's so easy He would just be sleeping right now on the floor next to us. Yeah, but then I have to deal with them being jealous That's so cute. That's a weird predicament. That's so cute. Dude. Did we ever talk about how the the miss america pageant is Eliminating the swimsuit portion. No, we did talk about it, but I did hear about it. Why yeah, what's it gonna be? Who's gonna watch it? Yeah, exactly. What's the incentive now to watch it's gonna be about I guess what they say and their talents I don't know crickets. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I mean when's the first one that's gonna happen like that because it's just This just this was recent This was like a couple months ago that this happened right that they that they kind of announced this I don't know. I don't even know what what do they do in the miss america pageant They wear bikinis. Well, they do a lot of things. They do a lot of things. Yeah, they come out They come out like 10 different times like one they'll come out and they'll I guess are they're probably still gonna do the evening dress one Right, don't they come out in evening dress? They do do that Yeah, so they'll still do that and then then they answer questions and they do a talk They have some they'd normally have something that they they're they talk about like I don't know what their points are They make though. Look it up. Okay. Look up. Look up with the miss america pageant protocol is yeah So what do you guys think about that eliminating a talent show? Well, I want to know why like what what is it because Backlash subjectifying them. Is that why I think that's why yeah, I think it's along those lines Like they don't want them just to be judged upon their physical appearance, but I mean they are getting judged on their appearance You know because they're on the camera. This is part of isn't that part of the right the show. I don't know. It's interesting It's an interesting time, right Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I yeah, what's wrong with with them wearing bikinis Yeah, I have I don't know somebody explain this to me. I don't know is there's no male pageants Is there it's just bikini body building That's exactly what it is. Right. I mean, it's pretty much the same thing. You know, it's one of those things. It's like we We we're really people have a tough time with like reality in the sense that People get judged on physical appearance all the time. Yeah, but I can understand the the concept behind removing this because This is kind of making it because I can almost I almost feel like this is the more popular part of the show Yeah, it'll be interesting to see of course it is If I mean, I imagine that miss america has probably watched predominantly by women But there's probably a good 30 or 40 percent of the audience is men Well, it's just and you got to think that's what a majority of them are watching. Yeah I don't know at least a majority. You know, there's somebody on here. It's like no, man. I listen to it for the speech It's entertainment though. It's not like I don't know. It's I mean unless it's highlighting Movers and shakers, you know women powerful women that are like taking over, you know, like Whatever direction like work wise or like we're turning this into something completely different. We're just before that We were just like, oh You know, who's like a beautiful like intelligent person in my state. So it's going to be like a just a talent show Yeah, I don't understand explain what it is. It's literally what we say. It's just because we're objectifying women That's why yeah, they're trying to evolve it They say Because of the cultural revolution So I think it's the me too movement and all this other stuff that's kind of driving this Well, you know, the physical attraction part that's kind of part of it and no matter what almost you can't really eliminate that I think it's just the bikini aspect. You know, I mean, otherwise, they're still going to get points on How they look, right? Yeah, I don't know. Well, yeah What's next? I just I don't understand the appeal of it I wonder if they're I wonder if the ratings were dropping because I'm pretty sure the ratings were not doing good And they're trying to figure out a way to get more ratings. I don't know if that's that's a really backward strategy. That's the case Yeah The two options were eliminate the bikini portion or They're probably just scared do it in the fall or literally eliminate it Let's either eliminate it or really eliminate them wearing anything and see how that goes. Yeah, I wonder There's yeah, it's a scholar. There. Hmm. What does that say? Oh, wow You you've actually dug you've made the mistake of clicking on one of ty lopez's videos now So it follows you around everywhere. Oh, no Maybe the most aggressive marketer women will not be judged on their outside appearance So it's no longer a pageant But instead a competition So they're going to change the whole thing completely then Interesting. Yeah, they're going to change. What's interesting. It's definitely you have to see how that plays out Well, we'll see. Yeah, it's it's interesting to see where where media is trying to go with certain things, right? Yeah, I look I applaud it. Here's a deal The how many people watch it is going to tell right it's going to tell how people receive it because I think sometimes we have Good ideas that we want people to be a particular way But then and society agrees with it, but then it's well How about we look at this way if you guys were to organize a miss america pageant Okay, miss america was someone who represents america as a female. What would you want them to come? What would you want them to do? If I wanted some okay, this miss america representing america. This is a woman that should win. She's miss america She is the woman of america What do I want? What do I want her attributes to be or what so and oh really? So how would I yeah? Oh, I I wouldn't have the bikini part But I'd have a physical fitness part like you've got to like do shit. No, I agree Yeah, I mean you got to show that you gotta be a badass and intelligent. I mean those are two things I'd want her to smart healthy strong Smart healthy strong physically fit in the sense that you can like do an obstacle course I want to see how good you are with a gun like if you could shoot really wow You're miss america, bro. Yeah, you need to be able to like, you know, you know show That's a terrible gun noise You want to shoot a laser No, but uh, you know shoot a gun. What's another one? Uh, you should be able to win a debate Again, somebody that's really smart. There should be there should be a debate in there. I agree Yeah, I like a physical challenge some some some sort of an obstacle course that both challenges, you know strength and endurance So it's like a mix of the two so you got to be you don't have to be the strongest person in the world You don't be the fastest or the best endurance, but a nice mixture of that Yeah, right something that has to that highlights intellect, which I like debate. Well debate does that Yeah, I think we all can agree that they they can have like a moderator And there's a topic and the girls have to go heads up. Maybe have them do a presentation on how they would Uh tackle a problem in the world. Yeah, you know, I mean invent something now That's one of the ones I think they do so then when I was talking about how they get up there and talk I think they have to do something like they do but the questions are already preloaded. No, I don't think so I think they're random. Oh, I think they're like, yeah, what do you think about whatever and then they have to But they I've never seen them answer questions really well No, that's exactly I think that was my concern because like you've seen Like them ask them really tough questions like that how to solve like well, maybe that's when they're like, ah This is probably why this went this direction. It's probably they started looking back like listen, you know We got to improve this this is supposed to be miss america and she can't even answer the most basic. I just don't want them to eliminate like you know like Taking beautiful women and putting them out there Like let's have like make like what's wrong with that? Well, I think so I'm okay. What's wrong with that? I'm I'm I'm game with Justin here that it I want I want miss America to be not only I want her to be a badass I want to be kind of hot. She's hot too. That's not too much. Well. It has to be has to be marketable. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, and she's representing our country opposed everybody else's country. So I want her to be the shit, dude Yeah, yeah, so she's she's got to be all those things, you know, I don't know though I think I think in a track when you look at all those qualities attractiveness Is is different than just the physical though, you know, I mean like if you had imagine no Well, imagine if you had an average looking girl who did the fit thing She shot the gun real good then she got in the debate She was hella smart and witty and charismatic and right an intelligent and sharp and then she talked about She's going to appear way more attractive. That's fair. The really attractive girl. That doesn't do me You know I'm saying yeah, so you weigh it out exactly Yeah, but you know, I mean she I think I think that the just like I mean, this is how they judge in men's physique Even though they don't actually say that they don't have you guys talk. No, no, no, no, no I mean by that It's still subjective to like how you look like I mean at the end of the day these guys They're looking to put you on magazine So if you don't think that if there's two guys that are exactly the same and one of them's fucking ugly as Shit and the other guys the you know, all-american blonde hair. That's just reality. It is it's bought. Sorry You know I'm saying so it's still it's a factor So I think that I think those other factors should play the biggest role But I think that I think he's just too pc if like we just but why you know, why can't I have her be in a bikini? I mean that why not? I mean, I don't Whatever I think the dead thing I think people say what they That what they want, but then the way they behave really shows what they want, right? And I think if you pull a bunch of people Should should should they be judged on their appearance? Most people will be like well, no, that's not fair Exactly, but then are they going to tune in and watch a bunch of unattractive people? No You know and that's just a reality and that's a thing. I'm just being honest You know, it's like a lot of people won't say that just because oh I want to be so like politically correct and not getting any kind of backlash You know, but it's like you're not gonna fucking watch that Yeah, we're just gonna watch that. Yeah, it's yeah, and we'll see we'll see what the what the Yeah I feel like we could have came up with another thing that they had to do that was really cool I don't know. I just feel like there's something else out there that I would want miss america to be able to do Like all the things that she miss america. I came up with a good one. I think a good one shooting a gun No, I agree. I'm not as funny as it was. I'm like, okay Because that makes her like I miss america. I want her to I want to feel like miss america could defend me All right, like if we had to go like kill a terrorist or something Right Yeah, yeah, this was like a patriot missile and just I want I want to think that like if something happened we get trapped in a building There's we're being held hostage or something like that and I find out the chick sitting next to me She looks over she goes don't worry. I miss america. Yeah. Oh, yes. I'm like, we're okay. We're getting out of here She's either gonna be able to negotiate her way out of here She's gonna be able to trick the guy because she's smart or potentially whoop his ass Right or shoot him if she gets this gun. You know what I'm saying? Like that's miss america to me I need I want to know if we get taken hostage. I feel confident that we're getting out because she's there So whatever those attributes are, I think shooting a gun is good I think some sort of a physical obstacle course and strength test and Yeah, good debate right solving a problem Right. Okay. Those are the only ones I can think of that would be creating a business Yeah creating a business that's kind of I guess maybe maybe that's not really Right. It's like she's interesting. Take it go back to the thing when I'm sailing She said next and you're like, well, have you ever built a business? Yeah, it's not gonna help you get out of that. So you want what you're looking for is more of a super hero Yeah, exactly caricature action hero. You want like a miss america to be like wonder what would be mr. America You know what I'm saying like miss miss america. Just be like a yeah You got to represent a really smart like navy seal guy or something. I don't know What I'm thinking mr. American now I don't know. Yeah, bring the bring the american bird, please. Let's bring the queagle This clause brought to you by organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout Our first question is from logan turner fitness What is the importance of rest period timing for certain goals such as hypertrophy strength and endurance? So good question. Yeah for well for physical pursuits, uh, you know for physical type performance rest periods are really important the the the more complicated question is In terms of muscular hypertrophy or building muscle, but first I think we'll address let's address Strength and endurance first. Those are easy, right? For muscular endurance shorter rest periods shorter rest periods are going to challenge that part of your body a little bit more They're gonna they're gonna challenge your ability to recover faster and your ability to Keep going even though you're running out of you know Energy in your body right like a 15 to 45 second tops rest period Yeah, yeah 30 seconds is how I would usually do it like when like uh phase 3 and maps anabolic was a 30 second Rest in between sats, which is short. It doesn't sound short, but it is you count 30 seconds You go again You're not able to lift that much weight because you're so tired So that's going to definitely build endurance and when it comes to strength the goal The idea with with building strength is you want to train the strength So you want to rest long enough to replenish The primary form of energy that you use when you're trying to be really strong, which is ATP And studies will show that's like three minutes. It's around three minutes rest It's longer than people think, you know, you think that like you've had adequate rest But a lot of times you're still like, you know, you still need more and it's it's always like interesting to me Going through that because it feels like a long time, you know in between like resting like three minutes That seems like forever, but it's super important dude to do 10 sets Right of several exercises, which is not that big of a workout like most of my workouts Are anywhere between 15 to 25 sets because i'm training multiple body parts, right? But let's say you just did 10 sets and you rested three minutes in between each of those sets That's 30 minutes just of resting. That's 30 minutes of resting You know i'm saying now add in between, you know the exercise time and setting up the workout This and that a 10 set workout with three minute rest in between that's easily an hour If not longer of a workout, but it's probably around an hour now the in my opinion the most important thing about rest periods So we could sit here and we could split up The categories hypertrophy strength endurance and the rest periods and what the technical protocol is now When I talk to clients and I teach people about this the main thing that I speak to Is that we tend to like anything else we gravitate to a Way or a rest period you get comfortable with that rest period and you always do that like and this is common I see people do this even when they change their sets Sets and weight and volume and everything else because they're just used to this rhythm Nobody tracks the rest period. Yeah very few people manipulate this and this is actually a really cool thing To to manipulate if you've never really tracked before like you want a really tough workout like pay attention to your rest periods and maybe what you do is you just pay attention to it see where it's at And then pick the other end of the spectrum So you are maybe somebody who always leans towards the long really long rest periods Or you're the other side of the spectrum where you love to superset everything and you're barely resting longer than 30 I mean that that has to be like the majority of people will tend to like jump back in too quickly and that's something that's like Because you just feel like oh, I need to keep working and I want to get this over with or You know, whatever the urgency is like a lot of times You know circuit training is really popular and everybody wants to burn the most calories And so the first thing that gets cut is rest right and so strength training itself is like it's It's it's a hard concept for people to understand and to apply the actual discipline Of you know a long rest period a question like the of course extremes. We're not talking about extremes. We're talking about the general Rest periods people pick from which is between 30 minutes to I'd say 90 second I'm sorry 30 seconds to 90 seconds or 120 seconds So you're looking at between half a minute to two minutes is typically where people will Naturally try to rest in between sets or especially people that work out quite a bit But this question reminds me of a similar question, which is which rep range is best, right? And here now here's a deal when you're not doing. Yeah, here's a deal if we can if we compare rest periods In a short like because they've done studies on this they've done studies to see which rest What rest period builds more muscle and builds more strength? And there's actually a popular study that people like to cite where they took 12 You know well-trained men and they train them and they had half of them do Short rest period which was I think Under a minute and then the other half do a long rest period which was three minutes And then at the end of the I remember this at the end of the study I think the study was short was like nine weeks long something like that They tested their strength and their muscle size the guys that rested longer built more muscle And got stronger than the group that rested shorter Now that's true if you compare people head to head That short period of time that same person. I was this person I was the kid growing up that wanted to build strength wanted to build size so everything that I read Lean towards that rest long. Yeah rest long And so I was doing that forever One of the biggest changes I saw in my physique over my 15 years Was when I finally and I don't remember who it was that like Told me like you just you need to go lightweight dude Everyone's if you've been lifting six reps resting that long for years like you need to just you need to do 15 20 reps low rest period lightweight. Don't worry about the weight. Just get a nice man I just blew I saw my strength go up. I saw my size go up And I was lifting these really light weights and that's because I was on the other So I feel like and the so that's what I meant by instead of splitting hairs And telling people like oh, well, this is technically for building strength when you rest between here This is technically building endurance when you rest here. This is technically for the hypertrophy, which we can do Right, which would you just did? I always talk about listen, whatever you tend to gravitate towards all the time We should be doing something different for a while And then when you start the one you're not doing right do the one you're not doing and that's where you're gonna see the change This is the reason why we phase all of our maps programs If if if this wasn't the case the way we would design our maps programs would be one rest period One rep range and that's it and then we would just change exercises But the but we don't do that that we phase them and not only do the exercises change But sort of the rest periods and so to the the rep ranges So but here's a big here's a big point and this is something you kind of alluded to adam People don't track the rest period at all most people even people I know who work out for a long time Even myself the thing that I will that I'm least likely to track is my rest in between sets I tend to go when I feel like I'm ready to go And that's for me depending on the body part and exercise That's between 45 seconds to a minute and a half But sometimes and I've done this many times I'm I Manipulating variables and what I'll start to do is track my rest and I'll shorten it or I'll lengthen it and I'll say okay instead of resting You know 60 seconds like I always do I'm going to do two weeks where I rest You know 90 seconds or or two minutes or the opposite I'm going to go shorter and I'm going to keep everything else the same Inevitably every single time I do that I see a change in my body. Yep. Absolutely So it's important to to mix up your restaurant your rest periods But here's another piece to that Because there's another side to this debate where people will say well, is it good then to Have short and long rest periods in the same workouts to mix it up to throw different signals Same same reason people will say that with with reps they'll say, oh, you know I know low reps can do this and high reps can do that Why don't I do some sets low reps on sets high reps? The problem with that is it's really tough because you're too many mixed signals too many variables To really see how your body is responding. So yes, you can do that Yes, I've done that before and there's nothing there's not there's not a rule It says you can't do that But I think there's a lot more benefit to actually Programming it to where it's like, okay, like you said for the next two or three weeks I'm gonna fall. I'm gonna change this this one variable and then go from there I think that the main point to be made is that What happens with people is they again, this is why we're so anti all the boxes, right? They identify with a category. So when you look at hypertrophy strength endurance I think of three three body types or three type of people that work out endurance people are your, you know Crossfit your What's Spartan race your runners your people that want to do aerobics classes high intensity Short rest periods like they lean more towards that then you have your strength athletes Which tend to be like your power lifters and guys that do the belt and the chalk and they wait Two three four minutes in between sets and that and they identify with that group of people And then you have your hypertrophy on the bodybuilder doing chasing the pump stuff And that's how I train and so because they identify with a group they think that oh I'm a bodybuilder guy So I should never train like a marathon runner or like a Spartan race guy that doesn't make sense or I'm a strength athlete So there's there's no reason for me to be doing endurance type stuff And so it turns into these camps And because of that that you get stuck in a modality and this includes these rest periods that could greatly benefit change in your body So whatever you're currently doing, I don't care if you're following maps or not You know pay attention to what that's been and I would challenge you To do something that's the furthest from that, right? So you're not gonna see a huge difference for somebody who does You know 90 second rest periods and they go to two minute rest periods It's not going to be a huge difference But if you're a really short rest period person then you go to three minute long ones and you go after strength really hard You're going to see a big difference in and vice versa Next question is from cubik kenny When you're in a deficit, what dictates how much fat versus muscle you are losing? There's three main Variables one of them's genetics that I can think of besides genetics That's of course genetics always gonna play a role, right? But there's three main variables that I can think of off the top of my head That are the biggest Variables that will dictate how much fat versus muscle you lose when you're in a deficit One the size of the deficit The larger the deficit the more likely your body will try to adapt by losing muscle to slow itself down To adapt to the low calories The second variable I can think of are the macronutrient profile If your protein intake is really low And you have in a deficit the odds that you're going to lose muscle seem to increase. So there there does seem to be a Muscle sparing effect from a high protein Diet when you're in a deficit and and within all the points you're making there is a genetic variance for all these people So there's going to be some people and I've trained clients like this many clients that You could starve their body. You cannot feed them anything They could be a total deficit protein And they just their body holds muscle. They just they're able to hang on I had dated a girl that was like this that just got shredded She just got lean now it was hard for her to lean out It was hard for the lean out But her body held on to her lean body mass really really well So it's tough for her to you know lose body fat and then you have the someone like me Where I will I can drop weight really quick And if I stop eating or cut back on calories or reduce significantly, you know, my weight will plummet But I tend to lose at a pretty even ratio of muscle and fat when I'm not getting adequate protein So if I'm not hitting my protein, which is what happens when I fall off the diet or I stop paying attention or tracking I I don't get enough protein for my size, you know 200 pound plus guy You know, I need about 160 to 180 grams of protein minimal Where if I only eat two times in a day and I've talked about this on the show before I easily can only get 120 130 So if I'm in a deficit and I'm only hitting 100 120 grams of protein My body muscle falls off damn near as fast as the fat does So there's definitely genetic variances, but those factors I think are the biggest And then the third one that I can think of is Your training because the type of training that you do is going to tell your body That it either needs the muscle or it doesn't need the muscle So here's a good example if I'm doing a lot of endurance type training if I'm calling upon My body to adapt in a way that improves its endurance What that means is I need to become more efficient with energy And I don't need a lot of muscle to do that. In fact, I don't need a lot of I don't need much muscle at all Like in order to Rung long distance or to move from exercise to exercise to exercise with really lightweight with no rest You don't need a lot of muscle. You just need muscle that doesn't fatigue Very quickly you need muscle that can keep Performing and that's not big muscle. That's small muscle. It's small efficient muscle Now if I train my body for strength where I tell my body I need to be able to move heavy things I need to be able to explode off the line. I need to be able to be strong Well now my body needs muscle it needs bigger muscle to do that because bigger muscle fibers contract harder And more forcefully. They don't necessarily have more stamina and endurance But they are stronger. So if I train for strength while I'm at the deficit The odds that I'm going to lose muscle diminishes dramatically dramatically. I love that strategy I love using that strategy not only with clients but myself The only thing that that you got to tell people with that is There's still a good chance that you're going to see strength kind of diminish because you're in a deficit So it plays with them kind of mentally fucks people But if you just know that listen by you doing that sending that loud signal, you're helping yourself Hang on to as much muscle as possible. So that's a good thing Don't let it fuck with your head just because you see your strength starting to diminish because that's inevitable if you're in a long You know two three four week caloric deficit And you're you're going to be losing weight. You're going to see strength diminish just because you're depleted But by training that way, you're still sending that loud signal to can't hang on to that muscle So I love that strategy as long as you can break through the mental. In fact, if you're A beginner, let's say you just get started. Let's say I get a client who hasn't worked out for a while and they're overweight, you know the 30 30 or 40 pounds overweight and they want to lose that weight And I first start training them. I don't want them to lose any weight on the scale in the beginning In fact, it rarely happens initially Maybe a couple pounds, but and that's usually just water because I maybe they clean their diet up a little bit And they're not eating things that tends to have them hold water But their scale the weight tends to stay the same at first because what I'm doing is I'm Trying to send the signal to get stronger While we're putting them in a very small deficit But that doesn't mean they don't lose body fat Because then when we do body fat testing we can see and this happens almost every single time Oh on the scale you only lost a pound or two or none But you actually lost You know four pounds of body fat and you've gained three pounds of muscle Which is a great place to be that's exactly where you want to be so it's about the signal as well But yeah The other thing too is the deficit like if I if I put someone into 1500 calorie deficit The odds that they're going to lose muscle goes up a lot regardless of the workout right I get a big ass deficit, right? So you want to go with a smaller deficit so that your body isn't because what happens with a larger deficit is this When you give someone a really really really big deficit and it's all relative right depending on how many calories their body's naturally burning So somebody whose body is burning 1500 calories You know naturally, which means their metabolism is relatively slow compared to an athlete If I put them on a 500 calorie deficit, that's kind of a big deficit for someone who's only eating 500 Yeah, it's a third of their exactly. It's a third of their total calories Somebody who's eating 2,500 calories or 3,000 calories 500 calorie deficit is very it's a great place to start So this is all very individual, but when you go with a very large deficit It's not because your body Is burning muscle to make it up make up for it because that's what the people will say like oh if you go too big of a deficit Your body will burn the muscle to to because you're in so much of deficit and you need more food That's not really what's happening The reason why you're losing muscle is because the deficit is so big in comparison to your basal metabolic rate That your body is aiming to adapt its metabolism wants to be efficient Yeah, and all this muscle costs a lot of calories and you're not giving it a lot of calories So it says hey, this is expensive tissue. You're not paying the bank what it needs to hang on It pairs it back. Yeah, here you go. Take it back. I don't I don't want it It pairs it back and it makes you more efficient with calories because that deficit was so large in comparison to your metabolic rate So that's a very big one. So once you figure out how many calories you're burning And you want to place yourself in a deficit if you're only burning 1,500 calories I would put you at maybe 200 maybe a 200 calorie deficit to be quite honest with everybody if your body was only burning 14 or 15 or calories I'd probably put you in no deficit and I'd be like, let's get that number to go up first because Well, we don't here's that you don't want to be in a position where You're you've lost so you've lost fat and you've lost muscle But now you're in a position where your metabolism is a lot slower Because you've got to live in this body for the rest of your life. And yes, congratulations You lost 30 pounds, but you'd like to keep that off for the next 20 30 40 50 years However longer a lot. That's why a lot of times, you know new clients They don't really consider the aftermath of that because it's so exciting that they've lost this weight And by all means necessary, but you know as you waist down and you're and you're Looking at your body is like an overall like weight loss versus like like slowly and gradually doing this You can maintain muscle mass and promote like the right type of signals to your body and keep that metabolism where it is Um, you know, you're gonna be in a place where now we have to dig ourselves Back out of a hole and start rebuilding and and go through that whole process Well, you know the funny part about losing body weight losing body fat is that everybody tends to want to see the scale go down when I even if you're 30 pounds overweight see you're 30 pounds overweight I still don't want to see your scale go down that much because I can completely change your body composition You can be the same weight and I can totally make your body look completely different And that's a better. I think it's a better gauge to cut if you're watching the scale weight Is and you're making good food choices and you're programming and you're training correctly Good things are probably happening. There's probably if you're if you're easy These numbers are so arbitrary right and it's tough because people want like tangible metrics to okay So if I'm if I am this many calories, I want to be at this place and it depends You know, it really depends on how your body's reacting, you know on a daily basis and you have to evaluate that I'm always looking for a pretty even exchange like that's a to me. It's a very nice gradual slow process But it's the easiest as far as the restriction that you have to do how hard you have to push is like I'm trying to Every time I lose three or four pounds of fat I've also added three or four pounds of muscle and I'm trying to keep that exchange for as long as I can until I start to Make major moves the thing to keep in mind is that your water weight will show up as lean body mass This is important to know like if I lose a bunch of water and I test my body fat And then I take that percentage and multiply it times my body weight If I lost a bunch of water, it can look like I lost Some muscle mass the reason why I'm making this point is if you the way you go in a deficit is by going really Really low carbohydrate and then you're testing your body fat and you're doing the math You're like, wait a minute. Looks like I lost some body mass Some of that was water and I've actually done this. I've actually had my I've done this on myself Where I've gained five pounds six pounds by increasing my carbohydrates And then when I test my body fat, it seems to be the same But now it looks like I have five more pounds of lean body mass So the scale is kind of a bad, you know, not the best way to to measure these types of things Next question is from katie gasman Do you have any recommendations for someone coming off a six day a week high volume training program? I'd love to get to the three to four day a week programming you all talk about But I'm worried that I've screwed myself and there's no way I can come out of my programming without losing muscle and gaining a lot of fat I started training about a year and a half ago for the first time ever And have been running six days a week from the start Well, if you're over so six days a week of lifting and six days a week of running Is that what it says? Yeah, it's a lot. If you're if you're Overtraining bringing it back. You'll actually build more muscle. Yeah, so Even though you're doing want to hear that even though you're doing more work now and burning manually burning more calories now if you go from bad programming to good programming or at least Programming that's not working well for you and to programming. That's more appropriate for you You're going to put on more muscle and you're going to be in a better position I've done this I've done this a million times with men, especially Where I'll have guys that'll hire me and they're doing these Six days splits and they're pushing their body super super hard and going to failure in every set And I take them off that and I go three days a week full body and they look at me like I'm crazy Like I'm gonna lose all this muscle. I'm not doing no, no, no, try it out and see what happens And it's like boom six pounds of muscle allowed for that recovery to take place And then their body just starts to really like perform better and it's just like this catalyst Well, this is what you know and sal refers to this as the recovery trap, right? This is what happens to people is they're they're training and moving and pushing so much that They're just their body's constantly trying to recover It's trying to recover from the six days of running it's trying to recover from the six days of weight training Oh, it's like it's never fully recovering because it's always in recover mode So it's not allowing it to really adapt and progress And as scary as it may sound Personally what I would do with this client now, of course, there's other variables I don't know where her calories are at and all that stuff would be taking into consideration But let's just pretend like they're all in a healthy place and normal I would I'd cut her straight from six days a week lifting down to like a maps anabolic program And then what I would do since she's been running for six days a week I think she's saying that she was lifting six days a week and then at the last sentences She's been running six days a week from the start in other words That's the program that she's been running the whole time not that she's running So I don't think she's saying she's running and lifting program Yeah So I think she's just six days a week of high volume training on top of that Yeah, no, that's a lot Are you sure? Yeah, I think am I reading that right? Yeah, like recommendations for someone coming off a six day a week high volume training program And then the last sentence is just to reiterate look I've been training for one and a half years ago for the first time ever I've been running six days a week from the start. I think she means I've been running that program From the start per week not running on top of it. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Well, so that's not as bad then This shouldn't be that big of a deal anyway Because I was a little worried if she was running six days on top of it Yeah, it's not gonna be that much of a shell shock. Well, it might take a while to reverse out of that, right? But yeah, I know if you're lifting six days a week I drop down to three days a week and follow maps anabolic And don't be afraid if you see the scale go up one or two pounds because you'll probably it's probably muscle you're building You know, that that's the one thing you're you're obviously cutting the amount of volume in half You know potentially so yeah, your calorie expenditure is going to be down a little bit But then you're also going to probably have more strength for all your lifts Which then is going to send a louder signal to build muscle and if you're still eating a little more Eating the same amount of calories with the less calorie expenditure Hopefully those good calories and if you're consuming good calories should go get prioritized to building muscle Yeah, I would say another way you could do it too. I recommend what adam said But if you're afraid You can also just do this slowly you could take your six day a week Yeah, then five and five high volume training program And before you cut a day just cut the sets so make your workouts, you know A quarter shorter so cut sets from every exercise so instead of doing four sets of every exercise or whatever Do three sets or maybe drop an exercise per body part And then the next phase of that would be to cut that down to Five days a week or four days a week and then go down to your three and see how you feel But based on my experience You go from the six day a week high volume training and go straight to a three four day a week program You'll see results like good results Pretty quickly and I like that better because even though you said you can go the other way I think she'll see less and feel less of a difference. I do too. I do too. Like I think you just switch it Yeah, I think you'll be surprised when you go down to the three Like holy shit like and you know what use that use those other three days like because here's the thing too Like I also respect this because this is like me where I like my routine like when I've gotten a rhythm of going to the gym six days a week I don't like to break that because I think my but just because my body needs to slow down and only lift three days a week So I still keep this routine. I still wanted to the gym Right, so I go to the gym and then just those other three days now become So I put all that energy now into mobile. That's how that's part of how I progressed my mobility so far In the last year was I still kept a six to seven day a week going to the gym type of regimen I just wasn't lifting weights I was going three four times where I just walk on a treadmill for an hour or I do Mobility work for an hour or I like the mobility where I do a combination of the two of them like so You know, I still if so if you're like that I I can respect like wanting to keep that rhythm because some people struggle with that and even myself I go from seven day a week guy to three Then what I end up doing is I play this game like I like to go tomorrow You know, I'll just go tomorrow because I don't need to lift today because I'm you know Only I lift three times this week. So let's go tomorrow then tomorrow turns it the next day and then I'm off my regimen, right? So I think that if you're like that That's what I would do is I would walk or do mobility work and then just cut the lifting though down to the A map center ball program. You're good. Next question is from selkarp. If you guys were on death row What would it be for and what would your last meal be? What are the options for death row? How do you get on death row only only you have to do some terrible shit to get on death row Shoot somebody in the face. You basically have to kill people. I don't think there's any other way to get on death row So the real question is What would it take then it's because obviously if death row is only for murder really much, right? We have to do something so crazy like that What would each one of us murder someone for what would it take like so? Obviously right away someone stole your shoes. Okay Obviously, I think you two right away are gonna try and do the kids thing, which I don't think that's fair No, no, how about this that's not more fun if we say what if it's me It's more fun if we guess what the other person Would kill someone over would just really get like I feel like if somebody broke in your house and took all your shoes No, they would probably just get a beating. Yeah I don't know if you kill a pistol if if it was a thing like that I have more attachment to my watches than I have my shoes Yeah, yeah, so if there was if something were to like really break my heart Would you lose your shit enough to I don't think you purposely try to kill someone but you you would on accident, right? If someone was like hurting your dog. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's like your kids for you. Yeah. Yeah Oh, yeah, like if I saw some guy like soccer kick my dog or something like that Come over soccer kick his face, you know for sure like so Yeah, if I saw somebody hurt hurt my dog or do something mean to the dogs like that like, you know Malicious or or Katrina for that matter, you know, so I'm very protective of her Yeah, so if someone but I don't think you'd go on death row for that, you know, I mean I don't think they'd put you on death row for like well. He was defending Yeah, his dog. We're just gonna give him three months community service Obviously because you're defending something. Yeah, I feel like you'd be like uh for something in terms of like liberty You know like some like oppressive regimes coming in and you're like make some last stand and you're like I get put to death. Yeah, you get put to death The most unglued you guys have ever the most unglued I think I've ever came on somebody. Oh, that's not really bad The most the most a glue. Yeah, he's flying out there. Yeah Brody and slip all kinds of Very sticky I think the craziest I ever got was you know, I remember a kid that was wanting to fight me in high school And he kept Like he kept picking kept fucking with me and I didn't want to fight I remember being like, I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight and I remember like Constantly doing that and I remember inside having this battle like fighting this kid doesn't prove anything There's no reason for me to fight this kid. I don't even have beef with this kid This kid just doesn't like you also don't like feel like you're being pushed around right But then I also don't like feeling like like exactly because I do feel like I have a very Strong personality. I feel very confident in who I am and I wasn't it wasn't out of fear It was that it was just wasn't the right thing to do And so he kept making me feel that way and to a point where I finally okay. I'm on the fucker like that That's it. That's enough times. I've already told you know like five times like and now now it's it's getting to the point Where I'm really angry and I remember whooping the shit out of this guy and so I don't remember ever feeling so angry to where I would get where I literally just whooped the shit out of some dude That kept trying to fight me all the time and I didn't want to want to want to so Something like that where because I feel like I have a very long fuse Yeah, like I have patience and if you and I have a lot of empathy for people And I try and look at the best in everybody and so There's not a lot of things that would make me just all sudden kill somebody or do something You would have to be antagonized. I don't like to be antagonized like don't keep prodding at me and fucking with me Like don't fucking poke the bear you poke the bear enough and then eventually you're gonna get bit Yeah, I don't think that'll send you to death row though What about the meal? What would you guys want to eat your last meal? I mean, it's gotta be cheese in it. You know what I mean? It's just cheese. It's just a big block of cheese. Are you serious? No, no, it'd be uh No, dude, like probably a deep dish pizza from from Chicago. Yeah, you guys haven't had that yet. I've never not in chicago I've had deep dish, but it's just I've never had some people are like You know partial to the new york style or the thin crust or I like them both because it's kind of like I mean, it's a commitment. It's like a big ass Yeah, I you know and you have to eat with a fork. I've had chicago style I've never had bit in chicago and had chicago pizza, but I've had chicago style pizza. It's unique I like it's too heavy for me. Yeah, I prefer the thin one, but I like them both. Yeah, they're both good Now as a kid though is the other way around see as I got older I couldn't handle that anymore like now. I mean as an adult I now have to have if I want pizza I actually like the thinner the like I like it like a saltine cracker thin like crusty like hard So it's like a cracker and I like just a little bit of cheese and sauce on there because If it's overly done on that where if it's thick and bready and a lot of oh, man, my stomach is just It's great going to die anyway. Yeah At this point. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, that are a steak, you know, like a really good steak with with like a blue cheese In fact, I probably would eat foods that would make my stomach back because I'm dying anyway And I want they're gonna have to clean that shit up Oh, you're gonna pull that switch go for it buddy Blast them did which I believe they do I hear that right they piss and shit themselves Would you part of death? What do you guys think of the of the death penalty? I mean, that's that's a loaded question. Yeah, it depends on the case right like give me a case example Well, no, I'm not gonna I think well, here's a deal. Well, I do you think we should have it? You know, that's the question like do you think I still think we should be like cowboys and indians back in the days Where we just we all can carry guns and like you Need to know you might get shot. That's it. We need you need to know these consequences You know, I think that's part of why we lost respect for other people was because of that I think we respect each other more. Yeah, I think you think it's no way dude. Oh my god, bro Back then people were hella polite Hella polite that's too much too many movies Yeah, everybody holstered up. Yeah, if you're a woman walking through a freaking saloon You think she was getting respected by a bunch of cowboys. No I don't know. Yeah. Well, maybe because you they wouldn't think she had a gun and they have their guns, maybe No, I don't think so. Was it Annie Oakley. Yeah, they're gonna fuck with you. I don't see. I'll tell you why I'm like I'm against the death penalty completely against it not because I don't think there are people who deserve To be killed because I definitely think there are there are terrible people in the world Like mass murder that should just not exist. I definitely think that But the reason why I don't like the death penalty is because even if there's a point zero zero one percent That we're wrong, right? We've killed an innocent person and we've done it through the state and it's legal and everybody and it's fucked That's just that's terrible and it's happened many times many times that we put executed people Did you guys ever watch that movie life of david gale? No david yet? Oh really? Oh dug pull that up on the screen. You gotta watch that. I think it's david gale life of david gale It's a kevin spacey film really good film. It's about you you should watch it about this. Yes. Yes Really really good film because we've done this before we've actually executed people and then years later New evidence comes out like oh We killed the wrong person that has happened. Yes. Oh, it's happened many times. Well think about this way Nothing's perfect as good as our as well designed as our law You know our justice system is which it's not perfect at all But it's definitely you know, it's better than most our memory Yeah, just just based off of our memory and eyewitness accounts like there's always flaws there is there is and then there's also the moral There's there's also moral argument of like It's wrong to kill So we're gonna kill you So what I think we should do because we the problem with not killing them is that we're already filling up the prison So much their wasted space. Well, well, I think we should have a little island Okay, they did it was called alcatraz Yes, well, no, no, no, but it needs to be further away. Dr Right needs to be even further away and you don't need to we don't need to have police car You just leave them all there. You know I'm saying let them figure it out drop it off Yeah, no, no, no, that's got to be far away. Then they'll develop their own society. Yes Yes, remember, uh, what was it escape from escape from new york? Yes You dropped us off on this island generations ago Let's create a movie right now govern themselves. Yeah, let them govern themselves out there No, I don't I don't like that man. I don't like, you know executing people because then it's like what if we're wrong So what do you do with them? Put them in jail? You can't we don't have room. What do you mean? We got to kill off the bad ones Yeah, make up make you know why we don't have room because we throw people in jail for stupid shit Yeah, that's why yeah Yeah If there's if you didn't hurt if you didn't hurt anybody or steal anything You don't need to go to jail. What percentage of people are in jail dug for for drugs Nonviolent. How about this nonviolent drug offenses? That's what you need to look up Because you could also have drug offenses that were violent Like, you know, I beat you up for your drugs or something like that Yeah, but wouldn't that be under there as a assault and they're underneath there? It would be they would also have drug charges on top of it. I think yeah Uh Mass incarceration the whole pie 38 percent of prisoners should not be in prison Well, who said gets 39? I don't know time magazine said that apparently. Yeah, it's a pretty big chunk Oh, wait, here we go. It's a pretty big chunk. We'd have to do a little deeper diving Yeah, I mean it definitely is a it's there and it exists. There's 1.3 People 1.3 million people in prison in state prisons One point 1.3 million people bro America has the largest percentage of our population in prison over any other country I think in the world the only problem I have with that statistic That's a lot of people. It is it is that's a lot of people in prison You know, you know when this you know when this number started to soar Well, when we started having these like Tough like politicians passing these like tough on crime law strike. Yeah. Yeah, we're like like, you know Minimum sentencing laws. Those are the ones where like if you get caught with This drug Then there is no minimum There's a minimum sentence of a year like no matter what you get at least a year in prison And that just Exploded the the prison population. I tell you what you want to change prison. First of all don't throw people in Jail for not unless they hurt someone or steal from someone or or damage property. Don't throw them in in jail So eliminate victimless crimes. No need to have people in jail for that and number two Change it so it's not like I think we think of if prison is like put them in there to punish them And I get that too, but do we want don't we want to rehabilitate them? Yeah, put them to like like Constructive like give them some kind of skill set so that way they come to society Isn't the whole system structured as a money-making machine where it's like you're it's designed to once you're in We're keeping you in and you're gonna when you go out the likelihood of well prison What is the likelihood once you serve time of you coming back to prison again? It's really depends, but it's pretty high Because they can't get like jobs if you have a felony to hire you I'm saying you have a felony It's like they're the return rate. I mean if by the way that's the true desired outcome of jail is to To change these people to or to correct their bad behaviors Right, is it really working? Yeah. No. No, it's not. No, it's not at all You don't like the island idea. No, that's why why is that flawed? What do you just dump them on an island? Yes And what are they gonna do there make their own society bro? You don't remember those camps that kids used to go to when they're really troubled and shit Yeah, but that's a you want to okay So you want them to be on an island with people helping run it or just drop them off drop them off There's no kid camp like that No, yeah They do these camps where they take these kids out and like and they get like a don't leave the kids by themselves Yes, they get a swiss army knife and it's like you got to fucking find your food. You got to figure out You got to get shelter. What the hell camp is this? Yeah, dude. They leave the kid alone for like two weeks Yeah, it's a hardcore thing. My I had a girlfriend there. Are you sure they kidnap them in the middle of night, too Yeah, but there's people there that there's adults there that take them supervising. Yeah and make it It's hard But they don't just take your well, okay So as a kid my point my point of sharing that okay, okay, we're getting into the details here But dad, you wanted me to die, didn't you they were talking about son The point of that though is what it what it teaches them is to value and appreciate all these things You wouldn't have now i'm sticking them on an island like that where they got a fucking hunt and search for things And find and they'll die. They'll die. Yeah, some of them will most of them Yeah, some of them will and then they'll eat the death penalty anyways at least this way they have a chance And I mean, I like it. You don't like that No, why no plot and conspire and come back and kill us all bro. That's gonna be an island, bro Don't make their way off in humans are ingenuity. That's in humane, bro. No, I wouldn't do that. That's terrible Really, that would never fly either. No people be flying drones over the island to see what's happening. Oh, looks like they uh Looks like they discovered electricity Now yeah, there's someone getting raped. I like that. No No, I think uh This is what one of the reasons why I think minimum wage laws should be eliminated because people get out of prison with a felony Nobody wants to hire them if they were jobs where you're making four bucks an hour You know and you're a company that wants to pay that the people that are gonna Get that kind of a job or people like felons and who have to build themselves way back, you know back up Back up the ladder. So it would give them more of an opportunity But yeah, anyway last meal and if we were on death row, I guess we fucked that question up Well, it's kind of a tough one anyways because it's like we wouldn't be on death row There's nothing that we could have got us there. Oh the only thing could is murder I can't see any of us murdering somebody or something like that Yeah, but I last meal I didn't answer mine I'd do a big-ass filet mignon and then followed up with a a pound of mint chip ice cream From uh thrifties thrifties. That's right thrifties. Shit ice cream. That's right. Pazuki I forgot to add that check this out maps anabolic 50 off mind pump media.com also Don't forget. We have free guides. 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