 Hey, what's happening in Longmont? This is King Penny, man. Hey, welcome to the first episode of Don't Act Different Now podcast. Hey, these cameras get hot, people start acting funny. Got one, coach. We're gonna go down the list, man. We got a couple of current events to talk about and local issues and stuff like that we wanna address and just have an open conversation about it. Nobody's gonna be disrespectful. Nobody's gonna be attacking anyone. Just have a little open dialogue for the week. Hey, bro, hey, look here. You know I'm old school. You meet me outside, we can figure this thing out. No, I'm joking. Hey, so let's go ahead and get this thing started, man. We'll start on the end, ma'am, with your name and what do you do for a living? Sure, hey everyone, I'm Lily and I am a criminal defense attorney. You're flexed. Hey, that's how you start with a flex, don't you? All right, you're up after that, buddy. I know, man, you're up. Yeah, my name's Chad and I run a nursery. Like we sell trees, like real trees. Real trees. The things that hang on your mirror in the car? No, like trees. You said real trees, like on cannabis or like? No, like trees. You smoke all kinds of trees? You know like, have you heard of maple? Oh, okay, okay. Sap sucker. All right. Hey, my name's Penny. I guess I spot people for a living, you know what I mean? Like I changed weight and it's a whole story. We'll get into that another time. Go ahead. My name is Carter and I'm an accountant in the real estate industry. Bowlers, hey, look here. We're not too chat, but hey, you two, let me borrow something. Hey, you can co-sign or something. Look at it, you didn't want to say it. Recently just graduated with a master's too. Hey, congratulations. Hey, now that's a flex. Hey, he flexed on me. Hey, y'all gonna talk about degrees later or something like that. Hey, so first issue I want to talk, man, is let's talk about the modern dating scene. Like, you know what I mean? The local dating scene or what happens on the internet nowadays. Cause I think most people meet online. That's the thing nowadays. And I just want to throw it out there that these females don't look like these filters they be using. And I don't want to be the guy. Yeah. You know, like I've seen a couple of them in person and I'm just like. Well, guys got filters too. Do they? Yeah, you got filters too. They do? You go in the gym, you wear any stringer, you get an isopump going on, you take a picture with good downlining. You know, you're just like, it's perfect as you can. Jesus Christ, he's a pro. Are you serious? Oh yeah. I am mad. I don't look like that on like, the rest of the 23 hours out of the day. I mean, I guess it's not totally surprising cause you do see guys now who like do their eyebrow. Oh yeah. Stop, stop right there. Cause he's not talking about a filter. You're talking about just having a pump and taking a picture. Well yeah, but you don't look like that the rest of the day. Oh, that's different. So he's equating it to a filter. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't count that, a pump picture. I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not. No, but look, a lot of the women. Let me clear my position. I'm not saying it's as bad as how crazy some of the filters can be, but it's still the same idea. Oh, okay. A lot of the women filters aside, right? Like a lot of women have learned to do their makeup to just completely change their faces regardless of any filter, right? Like a lot of women do all the contouring and they can change the shape of their nose and their jawline and their cheekbones and everything, right? So they look completely different without makeup. So we figured out who gonna cape for women right now. We'd already established that one, huh? I'm not, I wouldn't, a lot of women. I wouldn't call that, I wouldn't call that caping. I don't, how is that? I don't, it's caping, it's, yeah, it's kind of a necessity. Yeah, it's kind of calling, is it a necessity? It's survival of the fittest or whatever. You know, they gotta, you gotta look better than everybody else out there, right? Yeah, I guess. If there is any sort of justice for people who like manipulate pictures and stuff like this, you pay attention, you really pay attention on social media, a lot of them end up single for a long time. You're right, right. Bro, yeah. Analytics over here. Well, I mean, because imagine you're putting out, so you're putting out a false product, right? What is going on inside for you to have to put out a false product to begin with, you know? Could be incentivized, could be incentivized financially. I mean, it could be incentivized by a lot of people. Only fans. Only fans, you know, and even, you know, you and I, we see it in the fitness industry, you know, people that manipulate the pictures for supplements, sponsorships, they never even meet their boss, they just get a discount code on their email, and then they post it on their social media. Hey, look here. Ain't that what they say on Players Club? Gotta get your money. That's emails and females, by the way. Yeah, true. So how does that equate into dating scene? So you have this person over here and this person over here. How, why is there, why is there a, I would say a disconnect between males and females at the moment. Can I, can I, can I say that? My experience is, so, you know, me and my son's mom split up like eight years ago. And I didn't, I didn't date, I didn't do nothing because I got on those dating apps, and I just, it just felt so foreign to me because I always met girls out and about doing things, but then I had a little kid, so I wasn't out and about. And I don't know, I tried the apps and I just, I never liked, I never liked how my pictures looked. I never liked like, who was hitting me back and I'd go out and I would get catfished or whatever. And I just gave up on it. You know, I'm just like, fucking, I'm gonna be single. And I was like super happy for, for seven years, just single, not dating anyone. I can't really speak to the dating scene. I mean, the dating, so I did, I was on a dating app for like two seconds, like literally like two weeks. And it is not only is it foreign, but like, it's really easy to sound good on paper. Right? Right. You're like kind of swiping through resumes almost. And I need, I need to meet people organically. Like I need to be able to be in the same room as you kind of feel your energy, your vibe. Like, do we connect when we have a conversation? Shit, even something as silly as like someone's voice. Right? Like, I remember I had on the dating app, like we moved from the messaging to a phone call. And as superficial as this may be, like as soon as I heard it, I was like, my time. I was like, as soon as I heard her dude's voice, I was like, I can't, this is not her voice. I can rock with long-term. Like, I mean, but like, you know, it's the same as people having mannerisms or habits, tics that you just can't really get with, right? Like it's all part of. So speaking of organic grocery shopping, I'm jumping. Where can you meet somebody at organically nowadays? Where are you meeting somebody outside of Walmart? Hey, Walmart is the spot. I ain't even gonna lie, I ain't even gonna lie. I was single for seven years and it's not. I mean, I think that's part of the problem. It's not that I wasn't trying. I don't know, I wasn't really trying, but I don't know, like when I was that age, I was 30 years old now, right? So now you're out at the bar and the girls that are your age are kind of a mess, you know what I'm saying? You see, I don't know, I'm sorry. I don't know, man. I don't know, I don't know. A lot of them, I mean, a lot of them are kind of a mess and... It doubled down. He doubled down on it like, yeah. I don't know, I don't know. Kind of a mess, and I don't know. Can we say a set of a mess? Some of women of a certain age are maybe upset. Yeah. I wouldn't say, I would say better, but I'm gonna hold back on going that far. But I would say, I wouldn't want that, but I would say upset. They've already kind of been through a kind of a serious relationship already. They've probably come out of that. And they still are holding on to a lot of, like, just angry about that whole situation. And I think that going forward, it's hard for them to kind of let that guard down. Right. Well, that's tough though, because the one thing that you kind of have to keep in your mind is, who is your audience whenever we walk into a bar? Especially if it's like a really high end club, it's loud, a lot of music, a lot of dancing. Because you're dealing with people who like the party scene, they probably like to drink, they probably like different recreational drugs. You really walk in there and you're like, who's my audience? Well, I always think about that. Well, Chad walks into a place, I'm like, we're my opps, we're my opps, we're my opps. Listen, like, look. No, I'm just playing around. So that's one thing to think about, is that you're dealing with people who like the party scene. But then the second thing is, and call it what is, I think a lot of women understand that if they're single, and they're looking for other single men, they're going to go somewhere like a bar or club situation, but their intentions may not be 100% genuine. Yeah, I've seen so many different memes and reels that show up on my Instagram feed. I don't think anybody's interested in that. Girls talk about like, they got like 10 numbers, they got 15 free drinks, they got this kind of stuff. So you just have to be mindful of that. And this is kind of a personal story that I had, but I went to school at a University of Colorado Boulder for my masters. You know, it's more of a partier type of school. Pearl Street's famous for, you know, all the different clubs and stores you walk into. So I'm at Sundown Saloon. It's also known as- It's a dumb down. That's it, you must be up in there, bro. Most people call it the downer. And there's kind of this game that I'll play if I see like a woman that, you know, is attractive to me, but I know we haven't met before. I'll play this game, I'll say, hey, excuse me, excuse me, have we met before? And it kind of gets them on the spiel if they like what it is that they see on me of like, maybe we go to the same school or go to the same gym or have the same hobby, like we hike at the same spot. So I went to this one particular individual and she was with her friends, but it was clearly the conversation was kind of dead. And she was like on her phone doing this kind of stuff. And I walk up to her and I do the same thing. I'm like, hey, excuse me, excuse me, have we met before? She turns around and goes, I don't know who the fuck you are. And then like, and then goes walks up and like, hey, Joe, I'm just trying to be respectful here. Like, how else am I supposed to approach you and show you my interest? So I'd say it's a tough crowd if you're gonna be in a bar club situation. There's several other different opportunities that you can meet people mostly organically. I think a lot of people say that you can go on me in the workplace now if you want to meet organically, which that's another can of worms to open or church. I don't know, hey, you just started that career brand open and grand closed. When me and you were your age, like you just went out to the bar. Like that's what you did to go meet. I wasn't anywhere. I was at the gym, minding my business. I was at the bar, at the bar. Everybody was at the bar. So everybody was at the bar. I'm sorry, don't act different now. Hey, hey, hey, don't act different now. Come from behind the car, they died of it. I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not pulling any of these carters like saying anything back. Everybody was at the bar, like that's what we did. When you're young, that's kind of what you do. So how, so right now, so right now, how can a guy approach you right now? Like, realistically. So I'll let her start, but I have a game that I play that's, it's pretty safe, especially in like a gym situation, but go ahead. So for me, I don't really go out like that. Like I don't go to bars or clubs. So I feel like in most cases, if I were to meet someone who was interested in me, it wouldn't, the approach wouldn't be initiated that way, right? So it's like either, like you said, work, not in the same workplace, but through work, or like if you have hobbies, right? So. Picking up defendants. I do not date my clients. I work you on a case, I work you on a case. I got your brother. No, but you know, like you're in the field. So you meet other people in the field. So that's one way. Or like also mutual friends, right? So like, let's say you have friends that do dinner parties or you get together and do stuff and maybe through a mutual friend, you meet someone. Or you get that friend, just wants to go out and get ratchet with you. I can't, no, but I can't imagine like, I'm not even sure really how I would act right now if I was just, I don't know, let's say at a restaurant and like some dude just walked up to me and tried to talk to me. I feel like it would be kind of awkward for me. But the one thing though is that a lot of people, there's a lot of people these days that don't have mutual friends because people move a lot more now. I just moved here about almost a year ago now, you know, and I, besides some family members, I really don't know that many people here. So that's not always an option for some people. No, of course. You like, you'd be at a busy, busy gym though. Yeah, because the gym that I just got to, I've only been there for about three or four weeks now. Oh, okay, all right, all right. And you have to be very careful in a gym situation because at the college I went to in my undergrad, I would try to talk to girls and meet girls, get their Instagrams, maybe go out, maybe they're going to a club, something like this. And throughout the time, I would meet people that I didn't click with or they were just not interested in me or sometimes you know, probably this would be able to just took a fence to you giving them that kind of attention where I got outed. I was talking to this one girl I was interested in and she's like, hey, are you still talking to my friend over there? I'm like, oh no. So I got outed. So you got to be careful with that. I know, I feel bad for like you and your generation like not growing up like when we didn't just, you know, all this shit just on the phone, like you're just on the phone doing everything on your phone, you're not making like any sort of real connection with somebody in real life, in real time. It's, I don't know, it's hard. Like that's why I can't do it. That's why I'm never gonna have a Tinder account or anything like that. And also too, another thing, man is, bro, what is a texting relationship? Like everybody just wants to text nowadays. Hey, look here, ain't nothing happening. Like I can't do it. And I'm not gonna see here and have a whole conversation with you through text. Well, and that's kind of the same thing as the dating apps, right? Because again, since you're not actually talking to a person, you're not seeing a person, you're, you, what are you really like? You're just typing words on a screen, you know? Like it really doesn't tell you, in my opinion, doesn't really tell you much about the person. I think the problem, I think, go ahead. I think it's a good way to wear a relationship out or a potential relationship out, like you meet this person and then, you know, so I like to meet somebody that's quite a bit younger than me and we were, you know, like, she just wanted to text all day and text and text and text. And I just, that's just not my style. You can't keep up. And yeah, yeah, you can't keep up. And, you know, it was a big detriment to the relationship, but at the same time, I'm like, if we're just gonna not have anything to talk about when we see each other later too, you know, it's just, I don't know, it's just hard to just be on that phone all day. Day in and day, like you need, it's good to have your own time and your own space to do whatever, you know? Definitely. It's definitely not fun. I think that why you're seeing that out of kind of the new generation, as far as Gen Z goes, is we're kind of, I'm in the Gen Z category at the, like, right where it started. And the message that's kind of being delivered, it's kind of, it's almost like freeing but almost a stab in the back at the same time because the message that's kind of being told to us now is, you know, a nihilistic standpoint of like, you know, your life is like I'm poor and, you know, nobody's gonna remember you after 150 years. You're gonna die anyways. You know, God's not gonna save you, religion's not gonna save you. But at the same time, you only have the life it is that you have now, so go ahead, be free to whatever it is that you wanna do, you know, make your money, find your own self-fulfillment. And where that shows in dating is people think, I gotta have it all or I got nothing. You know, as far as their standards for relationships go and then with the kind of the hyper-connectivity of social media, it's easy to meet people all over the globe. So you're gonna have people that are gonna be gunning for, you know, the top 1% of 1% of beauty, of looks, of social status. So those people are getting a lot of attention on the top but otherwise below, nobody's looking at people that are comparable to each other who can actually relate to one another. Yeah, and I don't even like getting involved in that. I know so many girls that are like, 19, 20, 21, 22, and then they get flown out to like the next town over to meet some 35, 36, 37 year old who really doesn't even care about them, they just, they wanna hook up with it with it, with the younger, more beautiful individual but they think that's genuine, it's absolutely not. It's called flew it out. You wanna get flew it out? Flew it out. Roo-ming. Hey, Roo. That's what you wrote with that? Hey! Hey, hey, hey, how does the wish go, how did your young guys come up with the word Riz? You know, it's like, I don't get it. Like, what does that have to do with game period? I don't know. I think it's a new word for swagger. Yeah, it is, it is, it is, it's just. Riz. Uh-oh. It's like swaggered in there. Do you wanna weigh how that I can define it? Like, it was a word. To make an all new word. I think the only way you can define it is confidence with like your assertion of yourself. Yeah, all right, nah, I just thought, when you said it. Like, do you wanna say that? Like, yeah, they say it. So what are, so I don't know, what are people looking for in modern dating? What are people looking for? Like your age. What are they looking for? And don't, not just you, because you might fit a different category, but like, what are people looking for? Are people looking for a relationship? Are people looking for something long term? Oh, it sounds like you are. Well, that's why I said not just him, you know, his age group. I think people in my age are open minded to how that things go, but they want someone who fits their mold of their life so perfectly that it kind of turns them away from any like long term dating experiences. Or because of that mindset that we can't get fed, they're always looking for the next person. Oh, it is like you guys can customize your life to like what you're exposed to. More so than we, you know, like when we were younger, we had cable TV and the internet was just barely blowing up. So there was only a limited amount of things that we could watch to entertain us. You guys can, if you like, if you want to watch something about something all day long, you can do that between YouTube and Instagram and the internet, you know, you guys, it's hard. Like when, and when you narrow your mind that much, then you're limiting other people that have other opinions or interests and stuff. You know what I mean? Well, on top of that too, I'm not sure we'll get to this, but there is such a philosophical split in the political parties now where that even cuts your dating market even closer. Exactly. Like if you don't agree on philosophical ideas of how that life should go, your relationship is never gonna work with that person. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's true regardless, right? Like if you, if you don't have common ground in terms of how your life should go. No, I've seen relationships work that they don't share the same political views. I'm not telling off politics. What's the old girl that was, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about politics. Conway, Kellyanne Conway, her husband. Yeah. There has been no, yeah. He hated Trump. I'm not saying politics. That's why I said regardless of the political ideologies, cause he specified that I'm saying on a foundational basis, right? If you don't share the same philosophy with your partner in, as far as what your life should look like in the long term, forget political ideology, just the same philosophy on what your life should look like. That'll never work. I know, well, you can't really, you can't really generally have an idea what your life's gonna look like. Life changes all the time. Of course it does. But if you have somebody who support, who already knows that guess what, okay, I'm an entrepreneur, this is how I get down. This is how I rock. And they can be fluid with that. Then a long term relationship would work. That's easy to say, but you don't know that when you're young. So you're right that you can't know always what your life is going to look like. But you might have a general philosophy of what you hope or what your goals or what you would wanna work toward. For example, a person who wants kids and a person who does not want kids, can the relationship work? I mean, somebody's gonna be really disappointed, right? And somebody will likely end up having a lot of resentment. It usually has to do. Conferring bitterness. That's the exact example I was going to use because people who usually vote more towards the left, less likely to have kids, less likely to want kids, people that vote more towards the right, more likely to want bigger families, have children, grandchildren, more of a nuclear family type of mindset. That I'm not too sure about. Yeah, I don't, I mean. That I do not know. Yeah. No, that's not true for me. I agree with you. I agree with you in that sense. I mean, the right, I don't, I didn't really know how, I didn't really want to get into politics about this. Well, the right is all about the nuclear family and Jesus and all of that. You know, and that's. I don't know if they're all about Jesus, but I think they pander to that audience more. Correct. Oh, yeah, they pander to that audience. I mean, well, I don't know. I mean, I, I have some views that they have. Also, I know that they have on that side, but like I said, man, like everybody is on their own path, like even right now, the situation with Donald Trump, we should talk about that with all these indictments or nobody wants to touch it. I don't know. Look, I don't know if they're even worth the shit anymore, you know, that's. I think that there's good evidence that a lot of the crimes that he's committed are 100% factual, but I think that it's kind of a case of point. It took so long and just seemed so. Well, it's, I don't know. I don't know that it's so much that it's. Democrats are such fucking pussies. I don't, I don't, I don't think it's an issue that it took so long. This is the way the feds work. So to your point, right? When the feds bring a case, generally speaking, it has been already, like by the time they bring an indictment, it has been thoroughly investigated. You've got cooperators, you've got statements, you've got. That's why I don't think the investigation was a Democrat driven investigation because if it was, the Democrats like forcing this investigation, they would have tried to get things out a lot sooner and not be. I mean, I think it's just something that takes time. I think it's something that, generally speaking, takes time. So for me, right? When I, and obviously this is a very unique case, but just when I get a federal case in general, drug cases, they go years back, right? They take their time to build a case, which is why the federal government has such a high conviction. 97%, right? Because by the, like I said, by the time they bring charges, they have built their case. And oftentimes they've spent a lot of time building their case. So I have a lot of mixed feelings about that. So, you know, just like a month ago, like two houses down from where I live, the Lafayette police raided this house because these guys were running a chop shop and a meth. They were cooking meth and all this and that. But they like let them do it for like a year. And it's like, so in a year, you just let them keep doing this for a year, like keep hurting people, keep stealing cars. The charges are that long, you know? Yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point. It's a good point. You knew what these people were doing and you let them do it. You let them keep doing it for a year. But it's playing the long game. Yeah, I know. You got to play the long game. If you want to bring a solid case, and especially if you're talking about people that you want to put away for a long time, I don't support super long sentences to begin with. But if you, if your objective is to get this person off the streets and put them away for a long time, you don't want to get them on some nickel and dime stuff. You don't want to, so I hear what you're saying and it's true. But at the same time, like if I was that person that got my car stolen and I didn't get any resolution for it for over a year. Sure, yeah. How much harm have they done during that time? But at the same time, if somebody's getting charges brought on them every other day or every week, at some point you got to really think what's really going on here. Instead of them just rolling the case out, like wait, wait, wait. Well, I think it's putting pressure. Instead of putting the case out the way it is, it seems like more and more every week, okay, we're going to charge them with this. This, he says some dumb stuff. Oh man, this guy or whoever the prosecutor is, he says some dumb stuff about him. Next week, we're going to press these charges against him. At some point, at some point, it starts to look like, hey, look here, what's really going on here? What is really the, like, because if you don't want him to run again, how about we just come out and say this? Or if you don't want him to run again. Well, I mean, no, because that doesn't matter. No, but I'm just saying. If they want him or don't want him to run again. No, but I'm just saying though, if that is, like, you know what I mean? Because the way you're rolling it out seems like every week, you are trying to pin him further into a corner rather than just come out and just say, look here, this here. So, I think that's true. So number one, I think that people are, people's minds are already made up about Trump. I don't think the indictments make a difference on how people feel about Trump. His supporters are going to support him no matter what, and they're going to see the indictments and they're going to see the frequency of the indictments and the increasing number of indictments as a witch hunt. They're going to see Trump as a victim. And that's not going to change whether it's one in or another. And you go about them for their own money to build his campaign to make commercials that say... I want to wrap this part of the conversation up. Who wins Biden or Trump? I mean, right now they're neck and neck, actually. Who wins? 48. Can we get a definitive winner? Biden. I'm afraid that, I think Trump will win, to be honest with you. And that scares me. I think we should consider Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s current... You would bring up... No, so Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s running for president as a Democrat. He's getting a lot of traction because he's been on MSNBC, CNN, and Fox, and a bunch of different podcasts. And he's running on kind of a different take than what the current administration is or what Trump is running for or DeSantis. So I have no idea. And it's going to really come down to a wire, especially going into next year. But I mean, so right now, anyone else that's running is trailing far behind either Biden or Trump, right? So in terms of any primaries, does any other Democrat really have a chance of winning the Democratic nomination? So the other thing to think about is that a lot of these mass media companies, they want you to think that because a lot of times they donate to those particular campaigns whether it be for Trump or for Biden. So Robert F. Kennedy, DeSantis, they don't have the type of funding that both of them have. All right, all right. Okay, all right. All right, no, no. But I mean, like I said, man, if it was a choice between these two, right? Just Trump or Biden. Yeah, I know you're trying to be on the RFK campaign. We're going to get you there. We're going to get you there, buddy. You know what I'm saying? Go volunteer then. You might need some like-minded young women. It'll be Joe. Joe? Me and Joe. I'm afraid. I'm afraid to vote for Trump. I think people are- There will be Trump, and then he's going to get rid of the two-term limit. There are too many conservatives that I know who vote for Trump and now cannot stand him, especially after the 2020 interaction, all that stuff. They do not like him anymore. But that's, you know, some sort of conservatives. What about you? Oh man. I know a lot of dumb conservatives that are just like Trump or die. I think they're just dumb people across the board. Right, yeah. I think they just have a lot of people living in rural areas where they don't have the voting but are like the big cities. Hey, so recently here, there's been a slight uptick of coming. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I asked you a question. What about you? Who do you say- Who do you choose? Who do you think will win? Yeah. Oh man. Well, I think, so me personally, and this is just my honest opinion. Mm-hmm. And you know what I mean? I don't want the city of Longmont to hold this against me. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I'm just a, what you call it, I support whoever the people. No, no, no. Oh, come on. You gotta take a position. Yeah, you have to. No, the same way. No. So the position- Don't be afraid of the microphone. It's just these, don't act different now. So my position is this, right? I, because I have a, and I didn't want to open this up because I have a whole which college about it. I think there needs to be age limits put in place on this stuff. Who doesn't? I feel very strongly that an 87, no, hear me. No, hear me. That a 70, 80-something-year-old should be making decisions for me. When I don't even know what Riz is, and he's like 20 years younger than me. So hear me. So hear me. No, so hear me. So hear me. So I don't believe, me personally, I don't believe that Biden should be president. Regardless. The question is who do you think will win? And so the thing about it is, I think, I think neither one should. No, wait. The question was, Trump that's not, who do you think will win? You just need to hear it. Wow. Wow. Hey, watch out, watch out. I can do it. Oh my God. Watch out around me. But here's the thing, because you're not gonna get out of this so easily. So until you give an answer, we will not be moving on. All right, so I think personally, if the election was to go down, wouldn't I like that? I think Trump got action. I think so too. So you think Trump wins? I think that Trump wins. Okay. Thank you. Your opinion is neither right or wrong, because at the end of the day, we're speculating on the entire US voting population. Sure. And like I said, the thing about it is I think, me personally, I think that these charges only heighten his base. And I get to give up. For his base only, though. Yeah, but that's what these charges don't. No, hear me. That's like 70-something million Americans. And you got a whole bunch of Americans that don't vote. And so guess what? If you decide not to show up and vote for Joe that day, guess what? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I did read something that there is a huge amount of people that voted, a huge amount of old white people that voted for Trump in 2016 that probably won't be healthy enough to either, they're either dead or they won't be healthy enough to vote for him again. Let's not. We're gonna move. Hey! All right, let's speed it up. Yeah, man. Let me talk about it. We're going around in circles now. Oh, we're talking about New Canada. So no, we're not talking about that. So recently there's been an uptick of COVID cases here in Colorado. Oh God. You know what I mean? I want you guys to throw some feedback out there as far as like vaccinations, anti-vax, or should there be another booster? Should there, you know what I mean? Don't dance now. I, so I'm definitely not an anti-vaxer. I'm vaccinated. I'm vaccinated. I do think that at this point, number one, I think that we all have to accept that COVID is something we have to learn to live with. Just like the flu. That's exactly what I thought when all this was coming out in 2020. Cause flu cases dropped almost zero and COVID cases spiked. And I was talking- I don't think that in 2020, I don't think that in 2020 it needed to be treated like the flu because it was far more deadly. But I think that now, now, after three years of going through this and three years of data and death rates and I think the death rate is very, very low. And I think that it's something that we kind of have to learn to live with. So no more lockdowns if this thing gets crazy. No, absolutely not. I just- No, but I'm just saying- So, okay. This thing gets back crazy. No more lockdowns. It won't happen. That's the thing. All right. So, okay. Okay, can we, hold on. Let us speak. Let us speak. I hear you. Let us speak. Let us speak. Let us speak. Let us speak. Yeah, cause you'd be saying. No, no, no. Oh, so let us speak. So number one, if I agree, I don't think it's ever going to get COVID, maybe something else down the road. But COVID, I don't think it's gonna, we're gonna see another 2020. If we did with COVID, if we did see another 2020, then yes, I would think that everybody needs to kind of scale back. If that many people were dying, if it was that deadly all over again. But I think at this point, immunity has built up. People are vaccinated. People have caught it. Most people have caught COVID. Vaccinated or not. Whether they know it or not. Most people have. Yeah, vaccinated or whether they know it or not. Whether they know it or not. But even those who know it, like most people have caught COVID at this point. I was lucky enough that for me, like I caught the flu last year and the flu was way worse for me than COVID was. COVID, I woke up feeling like kind of off. My body felt a little heavy for half a day. I slept and the rest of the time I was good. I know that that's not everybody's experience, right? But for me, the flu hit me like a fucking truck last year. Like I was laid out for a few days. So, I think we're at a point now where it's not as deadly as it was. It's not affecting people as severely as it was. And so do we need all of the extreme restrictions? No, I don't think so. I think people are gonna continue doing whatever they're comfortable with. Yeah, and we need to trust people that are if they're in danger of being affected by it, they need to take the precautions that they need to take. Right, correct. Like I- Well, it's not just on them though. It's on all of us to protect, you know what I'm saying? One another at the end of the day. We can all do all of your things. You know, you need extra precautions, yes. But we can't know, right? We can't know that you are particularly vulnerable. But at the same time, I can do things to try to keep them in check. I can carry myself in a way not to infect you. I can- Oh, of course. If I'm sick- You know what I mean? I can do everything. You know what I mean? Well, no, more over, right? If I'm sick, I'm staying home. Exactly. Like I think one big thing that has changed because of COVID is that, like people used to go to work and school sick all the time, right? Like unless you were dying, unless you were dying, unless you were vomiting, unless you were like laid out, like you still went to work, you still sent your kid to school. Some people still do, but I think that happens a lot less now. I think people are much more cognizant now. Well, I think a lot of those benefits are bearing out. If you're sick- They're not, they expire. That was an issue with American culture. The benefits do, but I mean, I think people's mentality has somewhat shifted, right? Yeah, that's true. Like some people are never gonna go back to blowing out a candle on a birthday cake. Right, right. Some people began to see that. Some people shouldn't have never been pulled out. Some people shouldn't have never been pulled out. Some people shouldn't have never been pulled out. And there are people who always thought it was disgusting, right? But I mean, some people will never go back to that. And I think some people, like, you know, my daughter grew up in, you know, my daughter's 10. She grew up in COVID. And she's very aware of not just COVID. Like if she's sick, she's like, no, mom, I'm not gonna go play with the neighbor. I might get them sick. And similarly, if someone's sick, she doesn't want them around her because she doesn't wanna get sick. And if you tell her, well, honey, you don't have COVID. She's like, so what? I don't wanna get sick. You know what I mean? Which is kind of like, why didn't we think that way before? Like why did we go to work or school coughing and sneezing all over the place and getting everyone else sick? Why don't employers want you to stay home when you're sick rather than coming into the office and infecting everyone and ensuring that more people are gonna call out sick instead of coming to work? Well, that was a workplace cultural issue in the United States that we were 50-some-odd years behind. You go to certain countries in the European Union and they have several days off out of the year, multiple months on end and sick pay and stuff like this. COVID just triggered a cultural response that we were lacking on that was already starting to change a little bit. But as far as the COVID situation goes, I think whether you're pro-vax or anti-vax, I think the vaccines, most people can't agree we're not as effective as we're marketed or as advertised. I don't agree with that. And I got a booster and I got COVID and I got pretty sick for two days, but just two days. So I had the original COVID in October 2020 before I was vaccinated. And to be honest, all the symptoms that I had was I had a slight fever and not the chills, but like muscle shakes. Yeah, that's what I had to do. And I went to work the next day. Wow, sick. The only reason why I found out I had COVID was because my girlfriend who I was with at the time got it from me, got really sick, ran like 104, 105, we both get tested, we got COVID. So this is a harsh generalization about making just for catalogical point as far as where we're at. I think COVID, the original strain anyways has killed the people that it was going to kill. And the new strains that are coming out now and it's been proven in literature that most of them are weaker and weaker. Right, they've gotten weaker and weaker and weaker. Let's go ahead and we're gonna, so we're gonna take a break here, man. Hey, anybody whose family suffered during COVID or who lost someone, man, like, Stuff. Yeah, it's tough, man. You guys stay strong and stuff like that. And hopefully, like I said, it doesn't come back around, man, and hopefully if it does, the powers to be, you know, make good choices, better choices and we come at it from a better angle, man. I think a lot of people are, as you, as Liz was talking about, a lot more, a lot more cognizant of their health now compared to a previous one, yeah.