 Terima kasih, Pak Danel. Orang-orang-orang yang terkenal dengan pembantu, wanita dan teman-teman. Selamat pagi. Selamat pagi atau selamat malam untuk beberapa of you. Dan terima kasih untuk menggabungi ini yang sangat penting untuk menjelaskan kitaria dan indikator untuk restorasi trapikal Pidland. Mari kita mulai dengan prinsipan pertama di setelah prinsipan kitaria dan indikator dalam perjalanan multilateral, perjalanan informasi, modifikasi, network dan imbikasi mereka. Dalam prinsipan pertama, kita ada tiga penyelamatan yang penting. Dan kami sangat beruntung. Semua penyelamatan adalah wanita. Selama saya, tolong menerimakkan penyelamatan untuk prinsipan pertama. Pertama, Ibu Sri Parvati Murwani Budi Susanti. Atau kita biasanya panggilnya Ibu Ate. Saya harap Ibu Ate menerimakkan kita. Ibu Ate adalah penyelamatan Pidland Degredation Control Pemimpinan, Republik Indonesia dan di Jakarta. Dan penyelamatan kedua adalah Lira Miles. Lira telah menerimakkan kita sekarang. Lira adalah penyelamatan penyelamatan di program Uniak. Pemimpinan, penyelamatan, Pemimpinan, Pemimpinan. Kita ada Maria Nutinen. Maria telah menerimakkan kita. Maria adalah penyelamatan penyelamatan, memperkenalkan pembinaan organisasi penyelamatan berdasarkan Misi Indonesia. Pemenyelamatan yang understood kita ada 40 minit dan saya akan berlari untuk memberikan 10 minit. Dan di akhir presentation kita akan mempunyai pembinaan. Saya akan meminta Ibu Ati? Ibu Ati? Kalo kamu dapet kekuatan saya? Ya, ibu Ati. Sebelum kita mulai prosesnya, mungkin kamu bisa berkongsi dengan kami tentang regulasi di ekosistem pitland di Indonesia dan bagaimana menerimanya yang telah diperhatikan. Ada apa-apa criteria dan indikator untuk restorasi pitland yang tersebut? Dan apakah kamu pikir, apa yang kamu pikir ada untuk menerima target restorasi? Tolong, Ibu Ati. Flores itu kamu. Terima kasih banyak. Biar saya berkongsi prosesnya. Jika ada kemungkinan, organiser-anak membantu saya untuk mendapat prosesnya ke jalanan. Terima kasih banyak. Selamat pagi. Selamat pagi, dan juga selamat malam untuk semua orang. Pertama, saya ingin berkongsi untuk pemerintah saya, bahwa dia sekarang ada mesyuarat lain dengan Pemerintah Ibu, tetapi dia tidak dapat menerima mesyuarat ini. Dan kami akan menerima dia. Pertama, pertanyaan dari Ibu Aruni tentang regulasi. Sebenarnya, regulasi itu sudah dikatakan dalam Pn. Faiz, Pn. Minister Pn. Mbak Anwar pada ketika Kina, Pn. Mbak Mbak Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Maaf-maaf, dalam regulasi ini. Ya, ini ujian baru untuk regulasi baru kita. Pn. Ministerial Pn. Pn. Pn. 246 2020 mengenai ekosistem, pemerintah dan pemerintah. Ini hanya dari keadaan sekarang. Jadi, kami akan berhubung untuk kemudian artikel 20 dan juga 18. Sekarang pemerintah dan pemerintah lagi. Sekarang satu lagi. Ya, ini sudah dikatakan oleh Pn. Ministerial Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Kita ada di kesejaianChef Nr. 71 Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Dalam pemerintah Gwele Dan opat pemerintah Pn. Mbak Pn. Mbak Dan type or characteristic of sediment under the pitrain layer. And this information and data will be used as reference for the determination of pit ecosystem function that mandated on the article 9 of the government regulation number 71252014. Sorry, next. And also the criteria and indicator for pitland degradation in Indonesia. We refer to the government regulation number 7124, article 23. The article 23, verse 1, degraded pitland ecosystem can occur in pitland ecosystem in protection function and pitland ecosystem in cultivation function. And each ecosystem function determine with individual criteria. For example, for the pitland ecosystem with protection function, there are about three criteria. About the artificial drainage exposure of pirates and also the reduction of land area and also land cover in pitland ecosystem with protection function. And in the pitland ecosystem with cultivation function, there are two criteria about the water level should be above the 0.4 meter below this surface. And also there is if there is an exposure of period and also quartz sediment under the pit layer. This indicator and criteria and later on used as baseline for the restoration of the pit ecosystem under the ministry of environmental forestry regulation number 16, 2015, maybe next. This is the detail criteria and indicator for the successfully restoration in pitland ecosystem. And what about the achievement, the device ministry and environmental and forestry already mentioned that currently next slide please. The achievement of the Indonesia pitland restoration in the community areas at about 9894 hectares, predate in several province. Aceh, Rio, North Sumatra, West Sumatra, Jambi, Central Kalimantan, West Kalimantan, and also East Kalimantan. And in the next decade for the 2024, we have to achieve about 3500 hectares in the community area. Next. This is the Indonesian pitland restoration in concession holders. Currently about 280 concession holders already meet the regulation, the requirement for pit rehabilitation in the concession holders area, which is consists of six criteria that have to be comply. And then with the compliance, we already developed of course by the concession holders about 10690 unit of the groundwater level monitoring, predate in 224 PHU. And about the 27000 canal blocking have been developed in controlling the water management in the area. This is the spreading of the groundwater level monitoring unit in Indonesia about 2204 PHU and the total unit of data monitoring system at about 10650. And this can monitor at about 3.47 million area restored by the concession holders. And maintaining the information of the monitoring system, we currently develop the information system for protection and management of Indonesia pitland ecosystem, which is already integrated with system from the field monitoring and satellite imagery. To provide several data for not only concession holders, but this system is for decision support system. But currently we are not provide this data for the community yet, still under development to deliver more appropriate and accurate data based on the pitland hydrological unit. What we developed that already mentioned also by the Vice Ministry of Environment and Forestry is about the database of SIMATAC that already launched next by the Ministry of Environment in Korea. That provides several data about the PHU, about the pitland ecosystem function, about the concession holders, about the compliance of the concession holders. And it is supported by SEPA for the Fugitation Analysis, Fugitation Chains Analysis, Soil Moisture Chains Analysis, and also Time of Chains by the Day, Month, Year of Fugitation Changing Planting and Cutting. Thank you for the FRO for allow us and support us for the development of the SEPA to be integrated with SIMATAC. Next, this is the function of SIMATAC, as I already mentioned before, that provide data from the monitoring station regarding to the groundwater level and rainfall monitoring level in the field, and also provide related information for the water management in the concession holders. This is some of the data of the system that I can share, if we could. Next, again, this is the data for every concession holders. We can see the canal blocking, groundwater level monitoring, data logger on the rainfall monitoring station, and also if we overlay with Pongnyi, the system for the forest fire, we can see if there is any hot spot or fire spot surrounding with the area of the pit, land that already interferes by the restoration effort by the concession holders. We will give the reminder to the concession holders to be aware and resolve of this problem. Next, this is another figure for the data that we have in the SIMATAC. This all data also integrated with the SEPA about the soil moisture content to see whether the data is accurate or not about the water in the pitland area. Next, this is the achievement of the water level management requirement in the concession holders until the quarter second for 2020. We apologize that it is still in Indonesian language. Next, and this is about the data that we get from the SEPAO, the Soil Moisture Content, until May 2020. Next, to see whether the trend of the wetness of the pitland in that area and give us warning combined with the data for the SIMATAC. And we can see there is, for example, for real profans, there is a warning for the profans that they have a high potentially freeze for the forest fire because of getting dry. Next, and this is strategy for filling the gap that from what we already achieved so far. The first one is completing the pitland ecosystem internally. Currently we already achieve about 71 PHU that already in inventory, but we still have of course 885 minus 71 left that we have to achieve and catching to finish sooner. Because this inventory will be base, will be as reference to determine the ecosystem function with scale 1 to 50,000 as operational reference of pitland ecosystem protection and management as restoration. Secondly, equipment groundwater monitoring system and non-concession holders. Currently we have SIPALAGA from BRG, but only for several profans. We still have 12 profans left that under the Ministry of Environment and Forestry jurisdiction to develop either in manual or data logger, a real time monitoring system to support the determination of water level management and pitland ecosystem quality index. Based on the pit hydrological unit, and the third is the completion of the establishment of information system for pitland ecosystem protection and management ecosystem. SIPAC, as decision support system, and also this together with BMG develop FDRS to kind of early warning system for the dry pitland supported also by SIPALAGA, including providing information for public awareness and participant in pitland protection and management in their area. I think that's all, hopefully it will be useful for as information for Indonesian achievement and also thanks for the support from other partners here, not only in Indonesia but also SIPAR and also FIO. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ibu Ati, for sharing and updating with us on the progress and implementation of the policy and regulations on pitland protection and management system in Indonesia, including determination of pitland ecosystem function and criteria and indicators for degraded pitland ecosystem, and also criteria and indicator for successful pitland restoration that has been implemented in both community area and concession area. And you also mentioned about some gaps and strategy how to build the gap to achieve the targets. Thank you Ibu Ati, distinguished participant, ladies and gentlemen. I think let's move to the second speaker, Lira Miles. Lira, okay, Lira, maybe you could share your experience with WCMC in developing the principal and group practices in indicator selections. Lira, the floor is yours. Hi, thank you for having me today. I hope you can see the slide. Yes. So, I'm here to share some experience from the biodiversity world on indicator development. It's been really fantastic to get the update on all of the experience in Indonesia or on pitland restoration so far. I'm sure there's already a lot to share with the rest of the world. So, the center that I work for, UN Environment Program, World Conservation Monitoring Center, has acted as a secretary for this Biodiversity Indicators Partnership, whose focus is monitoring progress under the Convention on Biological Diversity. And these slides are also involved and formed by some other indicator development experience working with sectors from finance to safeguards, but mostly from the Biodiversity Indicators Partnership, which has developed various resources that I'm going to draw on here. I'm going to start with some generic principles just to make sure we're all on the same page about indicators and how they're useful. So, there are a number of different potential roles for indicators at different scales and with different purposes. The Biodiversity Indicators Partnership's been focused on success in achieving a high level goal. So, for example, we might think about the number of hectares that's under ecosystem restoration. Diakini, terfindikatas, can be very successful in understanding progress towards a target, but also in communicating that progress towards stakeholders. And typically, we're looking at a small number of easily communicated indicators in that context. Then, when you're deciding where to implement actions to achieve a goal, as we've been hearing from Indonesia's experience, you might use a criteria and indicator framework to select the priority sites for restoration. For example, looking at the importance of a site for providing ecosystem services, the state of degradation, and even the cost of restoration of a site. Then, when managing the site, restoring the site itself, indicator framework can also be useful either to compare with a reference ecosystem so to see how close you are to achieving the end goal of ecosystem restoration or to, in a more process-based way, to assess compliance with a management plan or a management standard that you've put in place. And the results, the indicators that you're looking at at these different levels can be related to one another. They can be scalable. So, if the same core indicators are used, you can sum them from that landscape or site scale up to the high-level monitoring goal. There are a variety of different terminologies used by different groups who are working with indicators. So, we often talk about principles, criteria, and indicators or goals, targets, and indicators. But the basic principles for choosing which indicators are most relevant for answering your questions hold true regardless of what kind of framework you're working in. However, it's hard to find a widely accepted definition of an indicator. The Biodiversity Indicators Partnership agreed on this definition, which is a measure based on verifiable data that conveys information about more than itself. So, that means the data can be checked and traced back to its source, it's verifiable and it's shown to be robust. And it conveys information about more than itself. That is, it helps you monitor against a target, which is a specified value or level of performance of something that you need to achieve or maintain. What are you aiming for? And those targets are ideally smart targets, so, specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, and time-bound. A criterion is typically used to describe a particular kind of target used to judge success and performance. So, that's where the principles, criteria, and indicators framework comes in against a standard, a safeguard, or against legislational regulation such as we've heard from Indonesia. So, the function of an indicator is there in the name. It's a measure which is indicative, gives you insight into a bigger set of issues. So, for example, if you have an indicator of the area of peatland under restoration, you might just be asking how much of our degraded peatland is being restored. You might typically be asking are our peatland policies working or are carbon dioxide emissions from degradation being reduced? And the indicator could help answer to any of those kinds of questions. So, a simple example, if we were thinking about a set of principle of criterion indicators for tropical agriculture, stepping away from just Indonesia, with climate change mitigation amongst the principles, a criterion could be as simple as you should have no new peatland drainage for agriculture, regardless of the depth of peatland from 2018. And you could have an indicator that was no new drainage, just a restatement of the target. But it might be better to have an indicator about the process such that there are management plans in place that specify no drainage. And an indicator about the impact so that the land use change is being monitored in the peatlands, which obviously requires a baseline map that you can monitor against. So, on the whole, that combination of process indicators focus on implementation that show you're going in the right direction and impact indicators showing that you've actually achieved the results. There's a very good one. So, how do we go about deciding which indicators are appropriate for use? The first key point I want to make is that indicators are purpose dependent. So, the interpretation that you give to them depends on the question that you're asking and the issue that you're interested in. The same measure could be used for different indicators to answer a range of different questions. So, here this German water table depth time series could be used to think about what would be the avoidable greenhouse gas emissions if this German peatlands were restored or what's the fire risk in this area? What's the suitability for forest ecosystem restoration already? What would you need to do to the water table to make it more suitable? What's the suitability for growing specific crops? And different data could be combined with this variable to prepare indices that address these different kinds of questions. And that brings me to the next point that an indicator can be as simple as a time series of data like this or it can be an index which has combined data from different sources to give you a more sophisticated answer. So, bad diversity indicators if it put together is indicator development framework which again has a first step of identifying what the purpose of the indicators are. Is this about tracking targets and goals? Is it about comparing the success of management interventions across different kinds of locations? Could it be to erase awareness and tell a story? Is it to track the success of your policy options or to help ensure adaptive management? So, those first steps consult with the stakeholders to really understand what key questions you're trying to answer from the indicator framework, what the management objectives are so that you can understand what an appropriate typology of the indicators could be. Develop a conceptual model that shows what questions you're trying to answer or what kind of indicators you're looking for. Then, indicator production is the set of essentially actions that are needed to generate the indicators and this can be a very iterative process. So, you might be identifying potential indicators, gathering or reviewing data to see whether there's something available to give you the indicators and then going back to thinking about what possible indicators might be again and working out to be usefully and easily calculated, interpreted, communicated. And then finally, there are steps related to entering permanence of that indicator framework. So, having systems in place, as again we've been hearing from Indonesia to ensure that there is continuity of the indicators and sustainability, that there's institutional ownership, monitoring and reporting systems are in place and that you've tested the indicator framework to see if it's doing a good job and you might refine the indicators as you go along to make sure that they are fit for that original purpose and communicating the results you need. We have some lessons on what does make a successful indicator that's fit for purpose and the first and maybe most obvious one is that it should be scientifically valid. But that means there should be a theory that shows what the relationship is so you've got a good understanding of what change in the indicator might actually mean for your question and obviously the data themselves behind the indicator are reliable. It needs to be based on available data not just now in the baseline but over time. So, if you want to measure change every year but the data are collected only five years, that's an issue. You need to go back to the drawing board and think about what's feasible, what's available. The indicator needs to be responsive to changes in the issue of interest. If the trend data doesn't show very little change then perhaps if the trend data shows little change then perhaps it's not sensitive to the management actions that you have in place, for example. And it needs to be easily understandable both conceptually like how does this indicator relate to the question and easy to present, easy to interpret so that you can communicate back to your stakeholders, you can adapt your management, the indicator is actually useful to you, relevant users' needs and a good clue there is that it is actually used for measuring progress or for early warning or for awareness raising. You might discover that the indicator set has got utility beyond the original purpose that you imagine. So finally, the key message is I wanted to leave you with that the indicators are purpose dependent. Their interpretation depends on the purpose the issue of concern always first determine the purpose for your indicator framework and for the individual indicators. Indicator development can be iterative making sure that they are fit for purpose and indicators and not just a scientific endeavour their communication tools they can build support for a policy they can guide policy decisions and they can demonstrate progress It's really important to know your audience. Many thanks. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you, Lira for your interesting presentation. You have shared with us regarding your experience in developing the indicators, frameworks and three messages that you will provide with us. So first we need to agree on your purpose and the second one is you need to answer that this is fit for purpose and the third one regarding as indicators communicating tools so let me know your ideas. I think we should move to the next speakers. Thank you, Lira. The next speaker would like to invite Maria Nutinens from FAO. Maria Thank you so much. Thank you, Ibu. In the context of Fitland Restoration Monitoring and the UNDKIP of Ecosystem Restoration and how best to identify the robust indicators in Fitland Restoration Monetaries. Maria, of course it's yours. Thank you, Ibu. Thank you, colleagues. It's a very inspiring session today. I'm going to start with this. I hope you don't see my chat here. Let me know if the view is weird. I'm going to talk about recent notions on Fitland Restoration for identification of robust indicators. There are some thoughts and ideas based on our work, together with many of the partners online today and of course I'd like to thank my colleague, Elisabeth as well who has been helping to put this presentation together. So first of all of course Fitland Restoration has rather long roots. There are at least 25 years of experience probably more first for biodiversity reasons and after 2007 especially when it became clear how important the Fitlands are for climate change mitigation there has been an increasing enthusiasm around the world to restore Fitlands for climate purposes. So now when we are really fighting the climate war let's say trying to mitigate emissions and add up the climate change, fitlands role becomes increasingly important. As we know the emissions are high in many countries and many countries still don't know the exact area or location of the Fitlands. Therefore we are in a kind of an urgency and working together in many countries at the moment to cover these gaps. So what are the restoration goals where Liras has nicely covered okay you need to have a target and goal and then you can go to the criteria and indicators and already speakers from institutions today, Indonesian institutions have covered nicely that there are the climate goals that the president of the Republic of Indonesia has been setting their prior diversity goals for most countries including Indonesia has committed to and then of course as we go move forward and the rainfall changes and so forth the other ecosystem services are becoming also increasingly important. So just I wanted to list briefly five main reasons what we have noticed that countries are doing ecosystem restoration on Fitlands especially for the prior diversity for drinking water for example from Highland Fitlands, then those green house avoidance and then stopping the loss of coastal and riparian areas due to the subsidence and then of course the peatland fire stopping but all these need to be taken into account because the benefits are huge. Just to mention that this presentation is based on this joint publication that we launched earlier this year which gives an overview of the current status on peatland monitoring and mapping, the approaches and giving some technical and other recommendations for countries and other actors who are interested in working with peatland landscapes and we thank all the 35 contributors also from Indonesia who have written this publication together with us. Another interesting point of work and this is one reason why this seminar series is very important is that the UNDK on ecosystem restoration is about next year. We are just currently preparing for the monitoring framework of the decade and this is why it's also interesting probably for Indonesia to link your peatland restoration target to the global target of stopping ecosystems worldwide. These are the restoration objectives of the UNDK. It also aims similar to what Bagnasi was mentioning, the importance of raising awareness at all levels starting from the village level to the highest level of decision making on the importance of successful ecosystem restoration. So it's what is interesting to note in this case that the decade is designed to achieve existing targets. So it's not inventing new targets and it's based on the existing targets within these environmental conventions and agreements and processes such as the sustainable development goals. And I want to now to dive a little bit deeper on those multilateral environmental agreements and some criteria which is already there. It's not holistic and I would say there are gaps as we have heard before today but this list is kind of hand-beking some of the indicators from different conventions and initiatives. So the sustainable development goals are kind of the umbrella who have absorbed or taken goals from other conventions so they give it a good overview and therefore, for example, we see relevant indicators to the peatland landscape restoration regarding water quality, the counting of the restored area of peatlands, reduction of poverty in the communities and also what's the level of financial resources targeted for restoration. Then what's also, second I wanted to pick this UN convention to combat this certification and their target of land degradation neutrality so land degradation neutrality target and then one indicator is for example the trend in carbon stocks below ground, also above ground but especially in peatland cases the huge stock in the soil is interesting here. This monitoring framework is under development but we are sure that Indonesia has a lot to share and report once it's in place. The center framework of course countries are reporting on the different disasters and here for example the amount of people and infrastructure affected by peatland fires then as Lira mentioned there are for example these restoration plans that Ramsar convention on wetlands is requesting to monitor what is the progress in restoration as well and then we come to the climate targets where Indonesia has also submitted its national communications including the greenhouse gas inventory on the greenhouse gas emissions from peatlands and other land use and then adaptive capacity and also maybe not so known but also countries are reporting on the finances for this sort of climate action then we have other targets which are also in the process of development for example on the conventional biological diversity There are some other notions that I wanted to share also on recent advances on our work especially with different Indonesian agencies so first point that I wanted to raise is really about the map of course that's the famous topic not only in Indonesia and also other areas so what do you account for as a peatland that's very important because we know already 15-30 cm very shallow peat may emit or might contain as much carbon as a similar area 1 hectare of tropical peatland forest so already already a very shallow peat it's actually very important in terms of carbon storage and emissions so if it's being degraded we'll lose a lot and make the climate change quicker change the climate very powerfully so this is where we really underline the need for proper maps on peatlands and really as said this applies to almost all countries and in this figure you may see of course the peatland area is never a square and it's normally delineated by rivers as you see here and it's great already that Indonesia has the peatland hydrological that's mapped out and that's really important that we would have a solid plan and a map where we know all these areas need to be taken into account when we're doing restoration then if we go for here from the right hand side of course the biodiversity indicators you have many flagship targets species which are very interesting in Indonesia and of course the biodiversity is supporting also the health and other aspects of human communities then what we notice I wanted to bring this up, the state a number of canal blockings as we're in a tropical context especially the renaissance is an intense period as you know better than me but the state status of the canal blockings is very important it's important that they are densely enough so that the flood water doesn't take them away so those things that we've been learning recently that are very important then there is the factor of soil moisture as mentioned by Ibu Ati we are currently exploring how well the soil moisture and ground with the liver are related to each other and can it be used as an indicator for about the greenhouse gas emissions and the restoration process of the peatland let me dive a little bit deeper in that the full rewetting already brought up by Bagnasi that is important to rewet at the landscape level and now I'm referring to the international criteria what this rewetting means this is very nicely defined for example in the IPCC wetland supplement published in 2014 so rewetting really is required to restore a wetland and it means the drained soil made wet by humans and wet means actually soaking wet so really bringing the water depth close to the as close to the surface of surface or close to the surface and there are already some aggregate indicators for this high ground with the level and in practice for preventing fires this means of something like no deeper than fire centimeters if you're really trying to cut the fires and then where we can also see that this is working and when the subsidence is stopped and in some cases as we see in the recent results the pit surface is even getting slowly getting higher and of course the pit stops building up as well when you're getting the native endemic wetland species growing on it so back to this one I know I don't have too much time so I'm going very briefly over it but talking about social economic factors for example it's important to look at the questions of gender looking at the question of indigenous peoples a lot of the what are the wet livelihood options in the wet pitland landscapes that can be available what kind of value chains can be prepared so all these things are important to take into account there we know already this is maybe less research area water quality and surrounding water bodies including the ocean because if a lot of acidic water is flashing out from the pitlands how does it affect the fish populations which are very important for nutrition for example and then it did, I'm not going too much into detail on this but the decrease in burnt area and fire frequency is of course one key indicator and nearly half of the emissions globally depending of the year then I want to just very briefly underline the sustainable wetland uses including the vegetation cover with the wetland species this is really important if you're trying to establish sustainable management practices that the species need to be adapted to the acidic and wet conditions of the natural wet pitlands let me very briefly on the fire fire monitoring what some key factors that we are currently looking more and more also from outside is the burnt area frequency of fires when you're trying to account for emissions also the depth of the pit which burns regularly so that's something when you have a drain system then there are a lot more indicators that you might need to be in order to reduce the fire risk here I wanted to share just very briefly of an example of very exciting new developments in terms of remote sensing so other inventions that are coming happening almost as a daily basis how this is a planet lab data that we are looking at time series of advancing of a pit and fire so we're looking very high resolution imagery here with daily images so you can see very clearly and verify if a fire is actually happening that's a new tool that is under development I'm almost coming to the end of my time and so very briefly underlining the need of a proper pitland map that takes into account the whole pit area I'm going to also say this exists some guidance on key indicators for monitoring pitland restoration internationally they are accepted and now many countries are updating their legislation to match with those then we have the effective pitland restoration invitators full revetting wetland species and early warning early action system for the fire risk prevention as an objective I think of course we all share this related ecosystem monitoring system to support efficient action thank you so much and I will share just a link in the chat at the end of the session for a survey that we are conducting together with other global pitland initiative members at the moment to identify those gaps and capacity needs thank you Ibu Haruni over to you thank you Maria for your nice and interesting presentations and you have been updating with us regarding the nation nations on monitoring pitlands and monitoring pitland restoration I think this thing with participant ladies and gentlemen I think we have been running out of time but I would like to open the discussion if there's any questions coming for the participants before we highlight some key points that has been shared or discussed by the three speakers I think I saw some Ibu Haruni I had a chance to look at the chatroom and the Q&A box for you just to capture those it seems that the chat book is very busy we have participants from Europe, the UK, the Netherlands and also from India and Southeast Asia so there are many questions in general they are asking would like to get clarification from Ibu Arti presentation especially with regard to the scale of the Simatak map it's very technical so perhaps Ibu Arti can answer that very quickly and also how can people access that information in the website please convey that questions Ibu Arti, I'm conveying that to you Thank you very much Padaniya for the question from the panelists and also the participants that I also received a message in the chatting area in the chatting room so first about the Simatak currently haven't yet available for public because currently still only for concession so we currently develop for the what level based on the PHU so combination between community area monitoring system and also the concession holders together to representing the water level in the hydrological unit so for the Simatak currently only for the inspection and also compliant monitoring not available yet for public we already mention also in the chatting to answer that question that currently we develop this information system for Indonesian pitland ecosystem protection and management so CPAC that not only provide the water level but also later on provide the greenhouse gas emission reduction and also early warning that already combined with the FDRS from the BMG at the MKG to provide awareness and also alert for the potential drain or dry for the pitland in their area so sorry for the concession holder currently not available yet only for the yes only for the client and enforcement thank you and then quick questions for Lira thank you very much for Lira the question is about the quantification of complex social issues how can we define that and how we can assess what would be the suitable indicator for social processes do you have any example and I know that you can develop quantitative indicators in this area you can count things like how fast has grievance gone through a grievance mechanism or do people report that they have been involved in consultations have independent monitoring of whether FPEC processes have been ongoing but my area of expertise is biodiversity so I'm not massively pre-adapted to answering this question I can point you to the indicators development guidance that the biodiversity indicators partnership has produced which is on a website which is called bigindicators.net so there are some further resources there which might be a bit more helpful than I am right now thank you and one more I think it's for Maria this should be the final of the last questions Maria does bit really building up is it just swelling that it was caused by mass of water indeed when you are looking at the very badly degraded beadland and when you are starting to rebet it indeed of course at that point especially if you don't have vegetation cover on it which would build the bead back that is the situation at the first when you don't have the vegetation it will just be swelling and expanding as you can imagine we shouldn't be using too much the sponge metaphor but it seems to work similarly to that and indeed only when we have the wetland species slowly slowly they start building back the bead mass thank you Ibu Haruni, I give it back to you if you have anything to say among your speakers ya thank you, thank you all the speakers that have been sharing with us today, I think it's been fantastic learning from your experience and updating with us from Ibu Ati presentation we can learn that Indonesian government has set up the policy and regulation on beadland protection and management and also regarding the how to monitor the beadland restoration success which is at least we have 3 criteria or indicators, first related with water level and the second related with fire right layer and the third one regarding vegetation on land cover and it is also related with the message that has been shared by Maria ground water level but also another indicators related with subsidence, fire frequency and wetland species and I think it's good that Lira also mentioned and related with principle and good practice and how to select the indicators based on the experience from WCMC on the biodiversity sector which first we need to agree with the purpose regarding the indicators and frameworks and we need to ensure that this fit for the purpose indicator development and as indicators communication tools then we need to know the audience I think this is the message from 3 speakers and I think without further ado I think we should come to the end of this session again I would like to say thank you for all the speakers for sharing with us today in this session and all the participants who has been joining us in this session