 I have determined because I have the green dress thing for the control room I have to wear the chroma Cree Chroma key for me. Well, you might be able to with this dress, right? But there's you said it's kind of cloudy, right? Yeah, but I have a dress that is solid blocked green and I should wear it on the yellow Yeah, yeah wear it on the air and give the community a chance to chroma key in whatever they want That is such a bad idea. It's such a bad idea. I Such a bad idea. Yeah, it will only end in awesome Animated gifts. Yes, or GIFs or guy ifs I don't have my chat open as oh, no, I've done guy ifs sounds great Yeah, as our avail says what what could possibly go wrong. I don't think anything could possibly go Omga, please. I know right. There's nothing that could possibly go wrong. Oh, yeah, the dress you're currently wearing is like weather 70% go You know yeah, and that's that's how I felt for this last week You know, it's actually Cosmo. I know I'm every time So this last week with the with all of the weather scrubs and whatnot with Cosmo and oh, no There was a it was a weather scrub and then a boat scrub cruise ship cruise not just a boat It was a cruise ship. It was a cruise ship. Yeah Well, yeah, and that's really where it like if it were a little itty-bitty boat, okay? Like you're stupid. Yeah, but when it's a cruise ship with thousands of people on it encroaching on the keep-out area That's not good. You know, it's not only do not only are cruise ships hives of pestilence now they're also and there's like a place you go to if you want to get Seated at dinner with a bunch of people that you really don't want to talk to although Would you go to a convention on a cruise ship? No Going to a convention is already risky enough as it is I'll tell you something about that. So I want to know in the comments right now and on demand I want to know if you had a cruise ship that went out specifically to see launches launches and landings No, why not you wouldn't go. I don't want to go on a cruise ship I just don't like cruise ships. What if it was just a really big yacht? It was okay yacht sounds awesome. That's a completely different story. Yes It's a yacht with restaurants and cinemas and water slides and swimming pools. Yeah Yeah, so I and also carries tourists to like really hot destinations. Yeah, but you know, it's a yacht It's not a ship. You know, it really grates my nerves tourists So I don't have you I just I can't I can't do like touristy stuff That's just not really the kind of person I am like Disney's about as touristy as I'll get with Disney is very touristy Jerry, I understand it's hard to get more touristy than Disney. So if that's as much as you get There's pretty much everything I understand that there's like levels of tourism at Disney. Yeah, there's like there's like this is sort of California and then there's like Epcot, which is like we're simulating all these cultures hang on Imagine the space outreach that you can do on a cruise ship with everybody there going to see a rocket launch And then when it turns nighttime you break out the telescope and there isn't a light forever around on a boat. Yes I have when it's the last time you're on a boat that stayed steady Use a movie. No, no hang on. Okay I Think this would actually be really cool. I think that Dada's not necessarily wrong You can you could you'd have to be outside of the keyboard sphere for the rocket obviously, right? I would hope but you could be in a really cool place Just like right at the edge of that like a little bit further. So you're safe But like right there and get an epic view of a rocket launch that you wouldn't normally be able to see I think that would be incredible. I think a rocket and astronomy cruise ship would be amazing now to your second Okay, now you now you have my attention now to your second point When is the last time you were on a ship that was stable a couple notes with cruise ships first off They do have stabilizers that help stabilize them So let's be something new since that was last on when we knew something new since the 30s. Yeah Queen Mary has stabilizers yet. Doof. Yeah, now it doesn't it's not gonna be perfect But then there are platforms that you can use for things like a telescope So as the ship lists it will actually keep the scope steady. That's that sounds expensive They're they're not super cheap, but if you're talking about a multi-billion dollar cruise ship It's it's a drop in the bucket for the cruise. Okay, so then now the only we don't drop buckets on cruise ships No, now the only note then is that in order for this to work You probably have to have that telescope going to a screen. You probably wouldn't be able to you Yeah, but you could potentially even make it cooler because you can slow the shutter on your camera down and actually see Some more stuff than the human I might be able to pick up Yeah, we could be able to do that and okay y'all have convinced me And you would be out in the middle of the ocean with no lights around that would be nice Mm-hmm. That would be very nice. I'm just saying okay. You guys have convinced me. I would do this So I think what we're gonna have to do we're gonna have to rent out a cruise ship. I'll ask Richard Everyone watching is like I'm I'm here for space. Why are you talking about disneying cruise ships? Because I think it'd be cool. We're a bunch of space nerds. We're here to talk and nerd out over space We're looking for the news program Ryan takes care of our news that say God your shows are up to like 20 minutes now Ryan. Did you start 16 16 was the latest one I'm trying out the problem is that the more the more the more news I do the better I get at news and then the longer they become and Soon we're gonna be having you're gonna be having like our long news shape now. I'll try keep them down No, actually, I think that's and that's the really hard people don't realize that Keeping time on these things down. So it's easily consumable While still covering the information that you want to see it's super hard. It's really easy to make these things long and just Like we just did with cruise ships go on forever dated up Yeah, but like trimming that down to just the most important stuff that you really want to hear. That's stupid hard It's too thorough and concise is very difficult. Mm-hmm. And you know, it's important That's an important skill to learn just in life like you're emailing executives if you email a pair of something less long They're not gonna read it. It has to be, you know, two sentences or less. Yeah, I need a million dollars Here's why It's up with because it's hard because it's really hard because you want to be like here are all the justifying reasons And that's not what they want. They're not gonna They're just they got a billion things that they need to do and so you have to make it super concise Which I failed at last week, too Like everyone sucks at it. I did too I sent out it goes about this long and I'm like after I sent it I'm like that was a mistake. I should I should I should have been anyhow. There you go Life lesson. So Ryan takes care of our news if you're looking for news. You're not looking for the conversational stuff This is a very casual conversations a bunch of bunch of nerds space nerds talking about space Yeah, and apparently Disney cruises that have space on them apparently that they don't even do yeah And you know, whatever range violations and other other hobbies. Oh, yeah And we of course were also joined by Jared and yeah that range violation that one was We knew that going into the broadcast We had just hit the button just hit the button to go live on the stars and I hear over comms They're like hey range is red for I forgot how it's worded but like Boat encroachment or something like that big old ship not moving quick. Yeah, but at first you don't get all of the data Yeah, right, so it wasn't like hey range is red for a cruise ship It was hey range is red for a ship. Well, those little itty-bitty ships They move quickly, right? So you can get no ships. They're boats. I Feel like they needs to be if you if you're a ship you can I in my head I perceive that as something that can't be moved quickly, you know, so am I incredibly wrong? No, no, you're right So you're right. So a ship is generally a vessel large enough to hold a boat. I Oh Okay, right. So a boat can't hold ships, but a ship can hold a boat Is that is that the official definition from like the international federation? Do they have rules for that yeah kind of okay, they won't follow them It's fine. So it isn't like a hard and fast rule That's the problem is there is no actual like official definition But generally speaking when you're talking to someone in the Navy, they're gonna say that a ship is Vehicle that can hold a boat and a boat can't hold a ship. Okay. That's a real. I know somebody in the Navy So I'll ask him this week. Just just for fun. Yeah, I mean, I totally believe you but like it also sounds it'd be hilarious to hear him I say that vessels that are operated in oceanic areas and high seas boats in contrast to operate in smaller restricted water areas I Doesn't make any sense. I got at least like four broats back Mac actually has an interesting question. Would the range have been read for a yacht? Yeah, actually who's yacht Cuz I know somebody who apparently is getting their yacht out Yes, yes, it would have been right if anything goes into the effectively then like they would have been in a lot of trouble I not that the cruise ship wasn't But like yeah, can you imagine? Oh Man, I would hope that they're in trouble. My favorite is the Coast Guard is like hurry up Anyhow, yeah, that was Cosmo that was me mean that they're not gonna do like in the shuttle days Or they like scramble some F-15s and get them to move a little faster It's hard to do that when you're a private Company, okay Unless it's a you can get private fire jets though. That's true. Well, hang on. Hang on. Actually. I don't know the answer to this I'm not sure even though it's a private launch. It's still the range Which is the 45th? Yes. So and that's a government entity. So I actually don't know how that works Same Apollo says free air show So yeah, so I'm super happy that Cosmo finally went and then it was like and then there was the moment where It was back-to-back launches on the same day with like a 45 minute break in between them That didn't last that obviously didn't happen, but like that was legitimately on the books for a hot minute and I was like The first one's gonna be great the first one's gonna be great the second one you're gonna be able to you're gonna you you could hear Me stressing on the second one and actually to be fair I was so stressed out this last week. My nose is actually starting to break out I don't know if you can tell I'd camera, but like it's Yeah, it's not super great. So yeah, that was my week. Yeah, I was trying to figure out how he's gonna handle two launches on the same day I was like, how do I watch this? How do I watch this? I don't know But you know hang on what an awesome problem to have yeah great problem to have yeah, oh, yeah, like You have a lot of launches We would have made it happen it would have worked and a little bit sad that it didn't cuz like that would have been cool Yeah, and in one week X is out has outpaced the rest of the private Launch companies this year Yeah, I mean already since the beginning of the year X has already flown one more mission than ULA flew all of last year Keeping score here. My favorite bit is so okay. We get through three launches in one week Which I mean that's pretty cool But like if we're gonna make humanity multi-planetary that's got to be the norm. It's got the exception, right? So yeah, we got to get the fire show you get it off that there are three launches in one day Like I don't know what the number is, but like you got to keep going. No, really Yeah, so I'm just thinking of like what the webcast for that And then me too and then and then we get to a point where we get through that last launch which was Nural right I think it was yeah, Nural 87 Nural 87 and so we get through that. I'm like, okay cool I can take a breather, you know There was some stuff that I had to throw on the back burner to get through all these launches I can start going through that and then Elon tweets and I'm like Guess we're doing that now. Yeah, so yep. I don't get a break. Good time. Keep going keep going Yeah, just keep swimming. Oh Jack Jack says wait who says Nural We NRL I take acronyms and I combine them into words. So it's not HDMI. It's hidden me. It's not NRL. It's Nural It's true. It's not SDI. It's city Like these are not real ways that you actually do this This is just something that I do unless you work with you unless you work with me And then you just learn to accept it You basically you may get used to it you make up more words than you use from the dictionary Mm-hmm. I may not be allowed to use acronyms, but I can make up words. That's right exactly I'm just gonna throw that one out there. Did you really? Yeah Yeah, he made up words and I don't know specifically But he made up words and I know them in the dictionary So if you do it for long enough then your then hidden me might become the actual definition. Okay I think that's allegedly and unless you can provide proof Mike Mike actually has a good point says NASA is used as a word it is Yeah, and that's actually an interesting one because that's one where and big and eight and big and eight NASA is one that has actually used As an allowed acronym because people know the acronym better than they know National Aeronautics and Space Administration. That's also near a mouthful. It is watched me stumble over it. Yeah, exactly Where do we who wants to start should we start with Jared? I mean I've started I've gone for 15 minutes talking about nothing So shut up. I know right They're just fast we're listening at a 2x speed on demand. It's like shut up Jamie Stop talking. Oh, you know what hang on before we get into anything because there was the There was the Vandenberg launch. Yes was that NRO that would have been on. Yes, that would be neural 87 wrong We had a bet Yes, we did. Yes, we did and I bet you that it would be a perfectly clear day Yes, and I went along with your bet with the exact same thing, right? You said it was going to be a perfectly clear day. Yes. Now. I believe I've won that bet But I've also kind of won the bet too because I will pay you since you won I'll pay you to I've got we both won. Here you are. How much are you paying me? This is a 20 because I don't carry It was a $1 bit so Jamie pays Jared a 20 and Jared carries one so he can We'll trade 20s. We're good. This is by the way how Peter Beck got $20 off of me on a $1 bet that he didn't even make Lisa had bet something about some flight that they would or wouldn't make and I'm like there is no way the Laboratory is flying at that time and I lost this $1 bet to Lisa and then we had Peter Beck in studio Yes, and she was like blah blah blah you guys flew and Peter Beck was like Oh, well, I should have won that bet because my company. I'm like, okay. Well, that's fair. It'll be fun And I want to get a dollar, but I only had 20s and I'm like, well, here you go $20 that's how we got $20 on a $1 bet. I think we're good to go though. So all right, so here's your 20. Thank you Okay, that's a moment that just happened on the air. So you're welcome internet. Yeah making it rain. Yeah, all right All right, all right, who wants to go first? Yeah, do you have a you're the cool SpaceX stuff? What's your name? You over there I was I was gonna talk the cadence, but we've kind of already covered that so I'm gonna I'm gonna hop over to you and I'm gonna go over to another Stop interrupting me Jared when Ryan speaks. You're supposed to shut up. Yeah, sorry shut up We agreed last week I'm gonna hop straight over to Astra They tweeted within the last When was it it was it within the last hour or two hours that they have actually acquired a license They are now actually legally able to launch from Slick 40 slick 46 40 40 from 646 at the Cape that will be on February 5th at 1800 coordinated Universal Time, which is which which is which is very exciting. Yeah, and Astra finally Becoming I'd say one of the big boys because once you've launched on the Cape I I say you're then one of the big boys really is that in my it's it's like it's hallowed ground for space flight It's where it's where it's where the US space program propelled itself from so It's yeah, that's that's that's my feeling of it anyway. Yeah, I'd say that's true I mean, but what's gonna happen with when rocket lab launches from the mid-Atlantic regional spaceport Are they officially gonna be part of the big boys or? Because they don't watch from the Cape Okay, so they still have to launch from the Cape that's how that works so Okay. All right, Twitter. I see how it is. Yeah, so not a big boy for rocket lab. I mean that happened while you were talking I'm all proud of myself And So like good on him. Yeah, you've got some notifications to check there So what do they what exactly are they launching tomorrow? Is it more small? They yet the why I can't really launch anything bigger to be honest Tonight look at him go Can't they're very caught hold anything else so they won't gain a 41 for NASA. It's what they're launching which is Yeah Okay, all right, so after After that shellacking Aren't they also planning to launch from Kodiak in like like in the next week something like that which Kodiak is in Alaska For those of you, which is watching for the previous Yeah, previous previous All of them Launches all of them. Yeah, I was trying to try to think words. Well, I'm looking now though. Yeah, it's scheduled for February 20th And so that's a bit of a bit a bit over a week But yeah, they are still planning to launch out of Kodiak's and they're not primarily looking at Cape Canaveral that is really really cool and I think You know, I think they're really trying to live up to the fact that when they named their rockets their mission numbers They have four numbers there in it So like they're trying they're really trying to live up to that with that I think it's really really cool. So and I still got a little way to go, but they are they are the neck I Then they're the next satellite small sack launcher to come out that you've had rock you've had rocket lab You've had virgin orbit and now astra are starting up So we're now up to three of I can't I don't know how many Proposals there have been over the years and still are now, but it is exciting to see The proposals turn into reality. Do you think the market's gonna be able to keep up with the number of launchers or do you think that the Supply will outstrip the demand. I Think we can I think we can get to Five six or seven and then after that. I think it's gonna be Very difficult to get into because we've got we've got SpaceX doing their transporter missions We have virgin orbit rocket lab astra. I think we may be able to get firefly in relativity and past that ABL as well, maybe but I really at the moment I really can't see another manufacturer coming online just because I Just don't think there's gonna be a market for it. Do you think there's a market for six or seven though? What what if I think yeah, I think six or seven, but rocket lab is looking at reusability mostly so that they can Turn these things faster, right? Like yes, so as rocket lab Starts to be able to turn their rockets faster Mm-hmm, you know land the rocket and then relaunch it I did Peter Beck say how long it was gonna be in between flights So I'm assuming he's talking like a day or two. I'm not sure I don't know that to be officially come out yet But I also don't see rocket lab as like purely a launch Company like they've got their photon bus that they also are looking at doing like integrated work with basically Rocket lab to set themselves up to be a one One-size-fits-all and still show. Yep. Exactly. That's much better Said with that there. Well, one size doesn't quite fit all because if you don't fit in their payload fairing Well, yeah, but then I don't think you're going to be looking at an electron at least I think you're gonna look at neutron with that possibly. I mean if if that is a natural progression Wherever that leads to so our avail has an interesting like kind of what I'm hinting at Which is there's going to be a reckoning at some point. We're probably not for a few years. I'm just curious But maybe not So this is what I don't know and Joe says spin launch hasn't spun up yet And the dark horse appeared I'm not on the I'm not on this like the spin launch is an interesting concept I you know elan tweeted something out along the lines of like doesn't make sense on earth But it might make sense on the moon. I kind of tend to agree with that like shouldn't Anyhow, um, that's why I like it What be just because it's like I feel like it's gonna I feel like When a a planetary economy, whatever you want to call it It's just lunar economy or whatever you want to call it comes into play something like spin launch It's gonna really take really pull in a lot of a lot of market and make something like that happen That's why I like spin launch so much because I mean they may be like 20 to 40 years ahead of schedule, but But somebody's got it somebody's got to be crazy enough to do it at the start And I really hope that they end up being the right kind of crazy. Yeah, so yeah, I I think I agree I I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense on earth But that doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense as an architecture. No, especially when we start looking at cist lunar economies Are you gonna do some cool things? Yeah, there there are limitations to Observe with their launch system though You can only point it in certain directions Etc etc I mean There's limitations with every launch system But there's but there are different a different set of limitations with spin launch. Sure, but I'm not saying it's bad Just different There are pros and cons to everybody So there you go So continue in my thought ryan Do you in your opinion? Do you think that with six or seven? Do you think that They're because we're bringing on more capability with regards to launchers um relativity neutron There's right now They're they're they're a bunch a lot a lot. Yeah, I don't does that mean that as that forces the market price down We're going to start seeing more and more small sats Which have more capability come online and there will be continued demand for these Or is the demand kind of what it is? And we're not really going to see more demand until we enter a cist lunar economy Exactly I concur I I think the key thing to remember is the the The proposals at the moment such as firefly well, they have launched once but I still kind of count them as proposal Because then you go very well, but you have firefly have a bl you have relativity and all the other ones All we all we've really focused on so far are their original first launches first rockets And what they can do with them But all of these companies have so many more ideas for the future So even if I believe it may be limited to six or seven companies There's going to be a lot more options out there within those companies basic started out with the falcon one Rocket lab is starting out with the electron firefly on their website already have two or three different Rockets that they've thought up so even if it's those companies There's still going to be a lot of options when things like a cist lunar economy start up so So Yeah, that's that's my take our avail brings up an interesting point yet again Which is what percentage of a small sats development cost is the launch And I think that number is changing. Right like yeah, it feels like the cost of small sats continues to plummet But the cost of getting that small sat to orbit While it is going down it is not going down at the same rate that the development cost of the small sat is That's like that's like a gut feeling on that one. I don't have any data to back that up If someone does comment like do you have do you have any data anyone? I didn't know That passes my that passes my gut, but yeah Passes the gut check, but it doesn't actually pass like the here's where I can back that up with real data check I feel like in one area that this could really like Just like I don't want to say like cliff face the cost or anything like that But in terms of like doing interplanetary missions on a small sat lunch or small sat budget That's something that that would definitely enable that and and maybe bring more Groups to possibly be able to do something like that like rocket labs working on both a venus mission to venus Which is of their own doing Just because I guess of personal curiosity or whatever you want to call it But then they have a contract with nasa to do a two spacecraft mission to mars With their photon buses. So like and that's launching on electron. Yeah I did not realize electron had the Upmass capability to do that. I think it's just it's just ridiculous to be an action is an action is a very capable vehicle Oh, I wasn't saying it wasn't a capable vehicle. Just getting to another planet is like, I mean in just if I mean at some point this year they're supposed to launch capstone, which is a a mission that's going to test that orbit That the lunar gateway will be using at the moon. So I mean really really fun stuff Joe says looking forward for small sat launchers from the moon and that's where spin launch will eat it from the moon To wherever we want it to go. Yeah Yeah, and it and those also don't have to be big either, you know, well, I wouldn't be if we're on spin sat or spin launch Why wouldn't yeah, right? Like can you spin sat? That's a different company. That's where you just take your spotlight and spin it for no reason That's when it's me right around baby. No, don't have the algorithm Copyright strike. All right. So astro Ryan We we diverged from astra and bringing it back to astra Or were we done with astra? We're pretty much done with astra. Did you have anything else? You can say no I could say no or I could say that elon tweeted. There's a starship update event on thursday. Oh boy, technically friday utc We know there'll be a full well He said there'll be a full stack of starship and super heavy ship 20 and booster 4 But we don't know who's actually been invited or if it'll be a closed event as far as i'm aware I'll be there. That's all I have on that Can you can you bring us with you? I'll be there No, you don't want to know you don't you don't want to be near me when I'm doing those things You really don't I'm not a pleasant person I am laser focused on getting that job done and if you're in my way, you will know. Yeah Hey, what does this button do? No Are you excited are you excited for it? Are you excited for the year? I Yeah, I want to because it'll be it'll be the first actual Event at starbase since 2019 and that's a long time ago in starship program terms So yeah, I'm excited for it The only problem is it's like two o'clock in the morning and I have to be up early that morning So I can't watch it live, but I can watch on demand. Definitely. That was like six whole iterations ago Yeah, oh, yeah, wasn't the same thing So, you know, there's actual hardware now sort of there was hardware then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was big It was there. So it looked like something. I mean, that's um, I think people forget that's how the process goes, right? Yes, you don't you don't start with a final product It's just most of the time they don't put it out in front of everybody like is going on here Which is actually what I am. I love enjoying this. Yeah So I make jokes about it all the time But yes, I am actually enjoying watching the evolution of spaceship star Star shut star ship. Sorry bless you. Sorry man Just keep getting that stuck all the time when it ends up becoming like that Hang on Can you imagine what it's like for us when we're like star link ship star ship big star link with star star? Yes, okay. Yeah, um, I bet that's fun I feel like I can't make two I feel like I have to walk a line on the jokes Um, it's like it's like chevrolet announcing a new corvette and when they finally produce it. It's a silvarado Yeah, or putting the engine in the middle of the corvette. What for whatever reason so Um, but yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it just because again, we haven't had that update Since 20 2019 is a big update That's a bit of time And I also I'm hoping that a lot of the questions that were that were had In 2019 can finally be answered now like how do you do a environmental control system for 100 people? for what Three to four months at a time because that's the claim time to get from earth to mars um With 100 people that's pretty impressive. So I feel like you're still going to just a thought And I'm certainly no expert. I think you might still need environmental control when you're on mars Yeah, that too. So I'm kind of kind of wondering about that. So um, that didn't stop mark watney. No, it didn't Yeah And uh, that was a documentary as well. So no, yeah Yeah, and I was going to say hopefully this this reveals some stuff too because I know we just recently had the um, what was it with the commercial space station thing that nasa did they just recently released the actual bids um and stuff like that And there was there that mean that meant that we actually got to see spacex's bid for that and they basically put a starship there And I probably confident it wasn't the full effort because obviously mars is is all eyes on mars If you will um with stuff like that um, but it was still interesting that uh, some of the things that nasa was talking about with the deficiencies um, and the the um environmental control system was one of them So really hoping we get to learn a little bit more about that. So you're looking forward to potentially learning about environmental Oh, I mean just the vehicle as a whole just I mean back in 2019. I mean We did a news episode about this and I had a lot of Uh gripes about what I heard because it it was a lot of stuff that was basically not Uh, very well explained. I guess like it sounded great But like if you know how a vehicle operates in space, you would have been like well, yes, and What else so um and obviously now I can understand that yes That was very much because it was 2019. There The iterations were all over the place. We weren't even done yet. You know, it still still had wings not the not the flapper ailer Vons Things that it has now on a wrong. Yeah, it was going to have a heat shield It wasn't going to have tiles because tiles are stupid and the space shuttle had tile. Whoops. Um, but you know just Just there's a lot of differences between it then and it now and I'm really interested in seeing If those remember what was called it's yes, I do remember that it's um, oh my god, it would have been so much cooler. Sorry um I'm just saying it was a lot cooler when it was it just looked cooler at that time with that Then it does now it kind of Anyways, that's another we could do a whole show. I know but but it's shiny It is shiny and that's really cool, but like Okay, so you're excited for general updates. I want to know everything. What do you What are you excited about for the update Ryan? Um, but I'm the same. I'm just excited for general updates, but also I uh like like jarred said there's Now we've gone through the first phase of developmental phases. I'm not really sure how you how you can measure it But now we've gone through that first part of development Uh, the future of the program is now a bit more clear. So hopefully um The updates on like more further flying things that may or may not happen Hopefully those are a bit more nailed down now and a bit more thought up than what they were Uh, what was it? It was like three years ago now Oh, wow, it is it's like yeah, yeah three three. Yeah, they're about three four three somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah yeah, I'm maybe we'll learn a little bit too about the the Ideas for way further down the road too. That would be really cool With that because I you know all the presentations and stuff like we always remember the the early presentations and Some of the images that were there like like landing one on Europa having one in orbit around Saturn and other things and just That would be really cool. So to hear more about stuff like that But also I'm I'm confident we won't really hear much about stuff like that specifically That just sounds very very far flung probably too far flung at the moment for that unless something absolutely Epic and earth shattering happens in the presentation. But I mean who knows I want to know what you guys are excited about as well and jack already added one into the comments saying I'm excited for nitty gritty details numbers on raptor updated ship renders How does how does an orbit fueling work space suit starship interior design so much everything Yeah, exactly. So and you know, I feel like everyone's gonna be like, oh general update I'm excited for general update. But if you if you've got like specific things that you're excited for like leave them in the comments I'm curious to know like what you guys are excited for with regards to the starship update Yeah, all right, cool. It'd be really fun. So all right. Was that your last one, uh, mr. Ryan I feel like that you yeah, that's that's that's me. I'm He's he's tapping out. He's done Jared, how about you? He was lost Ryan he was waiting this whole show to be able to hit that button He was excited for a while. No, hang on if I can hear you giggling then I know it's not a loss of signal You don't get it. There's no giggle. No loss of video signal That's not what it said. It said loss of signal loves loves loves Jared would it be loves or would it be loves really excited for this week? Uh, well, I got to say I got to go to a launch So that's always a very exciting thing for me when I get to go to rocket launches And that was uh NRL 87 or nor all 87 As it goes And as you as we talked about earlier, we had our bet and we exchanged our money already for that bet, but It was just really nice. Um, it was just a delightful launch to go to and it was maybe one of the Best launches I've been to at vandenberg just because of the overall vibes and of everything that was going on What are the overall vibes when you show up in person at vandenberg's? You know, it kind of kind of depends because you can't really see the rocket from anywhere, right? Not when it's on the ground because it's it's effectively covered by mountains on like three of its four sides and the fourth side is an ocean Yeah, so Unless you're on the cruise ship unless you're on that cruise that you're not taking The illegal cruise or the cruise or the cruise you all convinced me to take Or that train a range cruise there's that train that goes through Yeah, the amtrak surf liner. Do they stop the amtrak? They must yes. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Yeah Imagine the view from the Well, I know that you can basically take it when they have the rockets out there So like you can see the rockets from the train. I've seen people taking photos of the rockets from the trains before so But yeah, I remember being out there for a delta four heavy launch at surf beach Which is one of the stations and at the end of the launch. They basically said everybody get off of the tracks There's a train coming through and one did So, yeah, they uh, that would be very interesting having to explain to my boss why i'm late Like why why are you an hour late today? Well, I had there was a rocket Rockets stopped by trade. So oh there you go jack saying Because I know jack you were up there taking photos For nasa spaceflight great stuff. By the way that she took a surf liner went by during remote setup So, yeah, pretty cool with that there. Um, but yeah the so the vibes up there, you know, it just kind of depends on the launch Although with spacex stuff because there's really no like official spacex presence Um up there. It's not like if there's a nasa launch and there's like an official nasa you know public affairs office presence or Even ula they'll they'll often have some sort of official presence at certain areas out in the area there at spacex. It's just kind of Like the rocket's there so And it's uh, it was just great. It was like it was very festive One of the very cool things was that usually for a return to launch site landing for falconines For salcom 1a they Uh, they let everybody in to the general area on ocean avenue there, which is about as close as you can get Um, I always tell people you can get closer, but the space force won't be happy about it It's it's a few miles like three miles four about four miles. Excuse me. Uh, six six and a half kilometers Okay, so uh with that there in world units. Yes in world units not freedom units uh and For the so after that one for every r else every return to launch site. They have done Uh, it has been there's been a roadblock like right at the city limits And that's that's really far away. That's like 11 12 kilometers the lompoke city Yeah, right at the city limits and you can imagine you're covered you're really covered by mountains then Yes, oh, yeah, you're in the mountains at that point. It sucks Um, and also I think too that sucks for the people that live in the city as well because now they're like trapped Are you not saying lompoke because you're not entirely sure how to say it. Yes, exactly Okay, just thank you for thank you for throwing out lompoke for me there. Yeah, I was just checking with that I I've heard it like 20 different ways and I just oh, I'm not convinced. That's the right way to say it That's just how I see it I just need to find somebody who lives in lompoke and just poke them about how to uh lompak lompoke lompoke Lompoke lompoke. I don't know. I'm sorry lompak Lompak. Oh my god. All right. Thanks. Dada now that I'm very confused Um, it was so it was great because I went there expecting to basically roll up on a roadblock And then there wasn't a roadblock. So jack you were asking where did I end up watching from? I got to drive all the way down to like within Like a quarter mile of the base entrance On the south there and it was great. I loved it. It was so good For those who don't know vandenberg is kind of split into two sides There's a public road that kind of goes down the middle And you can turn and then you turn and you go if you turn left From lompoke if you turn left you're basically going into the mountains and if you turn right you're basically going into the mountains But yeah, so if you can be like on that road, which is ocean avenue There's like at the base of the mountain. There's like a bunch of farmland there And you can't see the rocket from there. No, that's the other thing to know. It was like, oh, yeah Hey, there's a there's a really cool map. Uh, can you Give us some guidances too. Yeah, so the the launch site's like Over by the ocean don't zoom in too far. You'll make the government mad I mean, it's on google. This is widely available on google Yeah, this is on google mad. There's public information. But yeah, the launch site actually I think it's in the lower left hand corner. Is that correct? Is that uh, that's like six Okay, well, it's one of those and then slick hang on four It's a little higher up right is that one right there. That's where you go So that's where the launch site is and it's hard to tell in this photo. What's its rating? I'm sorry. I saw somebody. There's a rating. It has a rating Better be five stars 4.3. Oh, come on Oh What's slick three? What's slick three? Which is right next to it there. That's the atlas pad 4.5 Slick six, no, no, come on. We gotta see I disagree with the delta shuttle. There's a supercharger. It's 4.9 No, yes. Yes. Oh, we got to read some or their reviews. Oh my god All right, so anyhow, you can see the the terrain all around all of these pads, which makes them perfect for like Nraw launches and then ocean avenue is kind of at the base of the mountain right where his mouse is There you go right there. It kind of just it Skirts and actually I wasn't kidding. You can see where at the top of the screen on the other side of ocean avenue more mountain Right so that you you really are you when you go on base you're driving into mountains in one way or into mountains The other way. Yeah. Uh, yeah, actually we I really can't point it out very easily here. Yeah, I'm pointing at the screen I'm going like this as if people can see me like I'm like Doesn't work doesn't work. Um, where we watched it from Uh, was a place called providence landing park and it wasn't bad You could see you could see like the upper half of the falcon From there and you can see we were able to see the leg deploy when it landed But it was you know, it was freaking how many it was like Oh gosh, it was like It was like 17 18 kilometers away. It was not it was not great. I didn't care for it so and that's ocean avenue right there and uh, yeah, so basically where the base entrance is on Uh down by renwick avenue there By the way, there's little squares. That's all like farmland. Yes, like they're farming different things And that's why it's all in like these perfect cute little squares. Yeah, they're not censoring anything out That's actually the the soil over there Yeah, and actually the uh, it was great because uh, there were lots of farm workers out over there And they just stopped like five minutes before launch and they all just kind of like took a break And they just watched it and they were they were they were they actually loved every second What does it sound like over there because you got those mountains Is the mountains caused the sound to kind of like bounce back and forth I was actually going to say if you want to I could drop box the video and stuff very quickly I don't know if that will help at all or you mean for playback on the show. Yeah, yeah, sure. Why not? Okay Where do you want me to what should I put it in put it in uh show media? Okay We're doing this live on the air And we're not going to test is this 264 encoded? I hope so This'll be interesting Quickly during this So I made a version that is uh Outbound and inbound is what I called it so sure go for that. So what we're saying right? Quickly during this intermission I would like to add that lc 39a on google maps has a rating of 4.9 stars But lc 39b has a rating of 5.0 stars. What? How is that possible? That means everybody the people have spoken I know people have spoken Shuttle what were you saying data what how that means everybody's rated at rated at five Well, yeah, that must mean that there's like not any ratings at 39 bravo and only 39 alpha It has one review. It literally has one review alpha bravo only has one review. How many does how many does alpha have? Uh 78 I want to know what one person in that 78 did not give 39 alpha a Uh a five star rating I don't know how dare it wasn't me. I have never been there. Yeah, I've never been there really so You can take a bus tour. Yeah, that's a that's as far as I got. Yeah, I've like never been in florida period so Well, you can take a bus tour. That's great. You can take a bus to florida I sure could if I was you never hold on you're hold up hold up Ryan covered earlier that florida in the cape is basically hallowed ground for launches. Yes, it is Yeah, I think we all agree, right? Okay, how in the world Have you not hang on right? Have you been to florida? Yes, I've been He doesn't live in this country Jared. Yes, and he's been to florida That's it. Oh perfect. I've lost control of my own show Again again As I'm talking it's still kind You we need to send you to florida to watch a rocket launch. It's okay. It's as alovias though. Yeah, I don't know That's what I was joking about. That's what we're laughing about I just think like disney world and the cape that's really all I would want to go to florida for Like they're even getting a formula one race in florida and I'm like no Florida's nice. So I mean it can get humid anyhow. Yeah, no, thank you. We need we need to send you to florida to watch a rocket launch like um It'd be I would it would be cool to have you see a falcon nine launch and landing Because apparently we're doing a boatload of rtls is now you want you want me to like compare it to california Kind of yeah, I mean, that's gonna be really nice though because I'm from california because they're very different Right vandenberg is like all mountains and florida is all flat There's there's no elevation. That's weird the the entirety of the elevation change in florida Is less Than the height of the vehicle assembly building. Oh, yeah, I already knew that so Yeah, I mean that's for the entire state. Yeah, I was gonna say you need to see the vab the vab I was gonna say if I you know, I've done hikes from griffith observatory to the small Hill behind us the peak and the elevation difference in that is taller than florida You you need to go to florida sometime. You need to watch a rocket launch. Are there any more delta four heavies on the manifest? Oh, there's one here in no, this doesn't count down there. Excuse me So this isn't hallowed ground here like it is Oh, I beg to differ at vandenberg. Well, there is hang on. There is my favorite shot of a shuttle in vandenberg Yeah, uh, thank you very much Um also and if you want to talk about hallowed ground just road trip from here to florida and then stop at white sands on the way Yeah, I was gonna say we'd have to do that. So I did that in 2010. It was fantastic. Yeah, that sounds great I mean you also have to think about atlas and thor rocket development that we're done hearing in at vandenberg as well so I mean that's a lot of A lot of rocket development that happened out here so Yeah, just just throwing that out there. There you go from uh, from is that still sharing by the way? Yeah, there you go That's some of my favorite shots of this of the space shuttle and that is Um, is that enterprise? That's is that the path? Is that enterprise? Yeah, that's enterprise So but that's enterprise is real enough I mean can't go to space and you could have launched it. I just wouldn't go very far Well, you could you could have launched it It wouldn't have it wouldn't have allowed the pilots inside to survive in space So, you know slight downside Thank you. Greg adding to our florida fund there Some of my favorite shots and uh, some of my favorite shots of the orbiter are the ones in vandenberg like there's that one. Oh, well What's gone now, but uh, yeah And it's gotta watch what I just did and I just closed the window instead of hitting back I'm like, ah, it was too much effort too much effort to go back Oops, not that I was gonna say johnny's asking why they never launched shuttle from vandenberg money Yeah, so what happened was um, the what's really cool is when you're I forget the sides of the bases of the The north side or whatever slick slick six would be the south side of the base All of the slicks are on the south side then, right? Uh, no slick to uh, slick for east Slick to west and east or at the north side of the base. There's a Complex over there. Yeah, that was the delta. It was where the delta twos flew from and it's now where firefly flies from That's cool. I actually I don't think I've been that that side of the base goes on forever anyhow, um So, oh, yeah, that's the other image. I was trying to call up. How Freaking cool is that? How amazing is that with that red service structure? Yep Ain't that pretty and the mountains in the background. It's gorgeous So a couple cool things when you turn on to what at the south side of the base, then There's uh, sorry you have to go up a mountain And the mountain the road was really only made wide enough for vehicles And you know the space shuttle if you look on the side of the space shuttle it has um, what are those called again? Oh wings and they They didn't they wouldn't have fit up the road And so you can actually to this day see where they carved out of the mountain to allow the wings of the space shuttle To clear the the mountain pass on either side. It's actually kind of cool because they didn't uh, oh Oh my god, I love it so much They didn't clear all the way to the ground Because you know the wings were off the ground right so yeah, they only cleared as low as they needed to go And so there's just like this weird flat indentation. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, there you go Yeah, it just kind of like just enough stops It's the weirdest thing. It's all overgrown now. So like it's like grass and then this like ledge And then grass and stone and rock and whatnot Yeah, some of my favorite some of my favorite images. Yeah, there you go There you go. Isn't that amazing? It's funny. They did that through la too Amy and dada might know a thing or two about that killed all of the trees But they planted an extra one for the ones that they killed just one extra one. Yeah So anyhow a space shuttle and then someone asked, um, why didn't they launch? Um, I want to say they were gearing up to So so van van denberg was supposed to be a navy Launch site, I think there was the army and there was two branches of the military that were actually fighting over shuttles capabilities and so And I and I foggy on the details. So one of them It might be air force was was one and army was the other or whatever And so the van denberg site was supposed to be for the other branch of the military And so they just they lost the manifest lost the money and just decided never to go forward with it Yeah, challenger didn't exactly help it didn't with that and the department of defense apparently kind of was like getting angry at NASA's my understanding And so they were looking for an excuse to pull the plug. Oh, we've lost ryan. Oh, yeah, we did Hey, uh, whoops me for hang on. I'll I'll try to get that going All right Awkward oops, here's the magic. All right coming back. This is what happens So Oh, I think I think we have a bad connection to the hologram Uh-oh somebody cut the uh the the fiber on the floor on the seafloor Oh, good. Oh, yeah, look at that. Oh proper now Haha, that was so funny earlier. Wasn't it? Now it's not Yeah, I don't think a shuttle, uh Having to do an abort Out of vandenberg and ftsing some parts of it would uh Would work out all that well. I think people in la would not appreciate that So it would have been spectacular to see something like that So but you know the hologram like completely and totally dislodged my train of logic. Yeah, he's great So did uh, yeah ryan you're bent with his lo just so you know, uh, did you have any other stories? I'll just say video is there if you if you all want to throw me out at some point Oh, oh, oh, hey dada. Do you have that video on uh, casper working? I did I think I did pretty good on recording the audio this time. Yeah, so recording audio from a rocket launch is really difficult to do Yeah, that's why I think I did a pretty good job this time. There's no no clipping in it I don't know how I pulled that off. I don't like the audio from vandenberg Like I'm I need to fix that it's super tinny But not the actual audio but like the audio I have is like not great So I need to Recorded thank thanks flux recording 30 Just make it uh, that'll fix it. Oh, here we go. Oh nice Yeah, watch it get shaky really fast Oh, it's in it's in stereo Oh, here we go Nice audio Is that the end? Yeah, I was outbound here's inbound It was so hard to see it. Oh gosh give it time Oh, look it's another falcon Well done. Thank you. I really like that every once in a while. I get it right Uh, that one that's audio is incredible. Thank you that audio is really great. I am an audio I am a slut for audio. So, you know video is 80% audio They're like getting that right and getting that rumble and that crackle is really difficult to do fun factoid I was actually on the audio console for The I'm not the in our all not the gnarl gnarl launch. What was the last one we did star star link? I think it was and I just I feel a little bad because I really like the rumble and the crackle and so I was just pushing those that we have Microphones that are many miles away and I was just pushing on those I was like we're getting rumble and crackle on this one and we did and it overwhelmed the talent a little bit But yeah, I love it. That was great. I loved that audio. Thank you. If you need someone I'm available. So Now I just need to get the tracking a bit better That's really hard to do. It was very hard to do how difficult vehicle tracking is from many miles away until they have to do it Was that on a tripod? Uh, it was on a tripod and it was with the 500 millimeter lens. So it was uh, Yeah, it was a little difficult. So And then uh, yeah triple sonic boom good stuff. So You having fun with the wipes? No, no, I think I think dada took care of that. We're okay because he fell off again. Ah, gotcha. Okay. I didn't even I love it. The only other thing I'd love to see with that is um back the audio up So the speed of sound delay isn't impact like isn't part of the process So as as if You didn't have to deal with speed of sound delay and that would be really cool to watch it be it will then It's fake. It would be rumble coming from behind a uh, a hill Which is uh pretty funny at first to think about No, because you would on reentry on reentry, right? So it'd be oh, you'd hit you basically hit the three sonic booms Yeah, and then um, it's three Right. I pulled you dada. Did you see I pulled the waveform from the audio? How many spikes are in the waveform? Yeah, I like jack's comment. But boom There was there was three. Thank you. Thank you. Um, but you would basically I think start right before And because because you hear that and then you hear the engine kick in so it'd be kind of like, yeah Yeah, be an interesting thing to see definitely in here. Yeah, I I just it was just such a good launch um, you know, we it was it was it was the winds were offshore So that means they're blowing out into the ocean, which means that they um They just got rid of all the gunk in the area and we're just it was so clear It was great. So it was loving everybody did it. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that as falcon was pitching over beginning to go down range And stage set happened and the boost back burn started the plume immediately covered it And everybody lost it Nobody everybody in the area. I was that could just not even Find it. We had to wait till entry entry burn to catch it and then even after that It was still really difficult to to catch it as well. So Yeah Headcrab asks, did you use tracking on the microphones? I think the I'm not entirely sure what the question is asking Other than maybe like where the microphones on the object that was tracking the vehicle. No, so the microphones were static Uh, it was h4 zoom, uh my uh audio recorder, which I absolutely love it And I actually set it up in at the side of my jeep. So that way there would be a flat surface right behind it To maybe punch it a little bit more, but uh, no I just basically put it on a static tripod of its own separate from mine So that way there's no vibration noise or anything Getting into the the recorder. So I want that audio as pure as possible So you use the side of your jeep like a dish to collect audio kind of yeah I've actually thought about your jeep became a parabolic mic. Yeah a little bit I've actually thought about getting a parabolic Something parabolic that can fit my my zoom and work with that And see if I can put it like on a hot shoe off my camera. So it tracks But also I don't know how well that'll turn out. So So flux f yi says the third referring to the three sonic booms could be an audio reflection That would be true if it didn't happen every falcon launch at every site Yeah, including the flat one that has no audio reflections. Yeah, yeah That's all right dj flux. I don't understand it either This is one I can't talk about but uh, I think y'all will uh, yeah, right? Yeah, that was uh, that was uh, beautiful beautiful beautiful honestly for that one I've never seen any no one's ever seen anything like that. It's just I I Haven't seen anything like that. I thought that was incredible honestly And then we saw the same thing with the the wrong launch and that was like in the middle of the day There was amazing Yeah, it was great. Um, I you know, I was gonna say I haven't seen a tracking a shot that good Since I saw apollo 11 and i max and that one shot of the Saturn 5 climbing out and through the vapor cone And continuing on as they're calling out, you know, never going to abort abort mode. Whatever. I can't remember what it was Um mode one bravo. Thank you. Um, oh my god. I had to have I felt like the kind of thing I had to have a cigarette after watching it was just so good. I had to pull my uncle Uh, my so my uncle steve came along on uh, this trip to see the launch. It was his first launch ever um And he was actually over on sunday for the the cosmo launch and uh, he definitely I definitely made sure he saw that tracking shot because Oh my gosh, that's one that's you know print it roll it make it happen, but it wherever it needs to go, so I'm small again. Yeah Happens to the best of us. He's been small in any so Yep so There you go. Now he's big, but he's potato. Hmm Uh, anything else Jared? 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