 Bernard Sanders appeared on the view for the second time and he was asked to respond to Donald Trump's claim that Bernie should be more outraged in the event the DNC screws him over again and Megan McCain followed up to Bernie's answer by asking, you know Should you defend Tulsi Gabbard who's saying that she this time is being screwed by the DNC? I want to share because I have a little bit to say about this Senator, can I get a little wonky with you? So President Trump in conspiratorial terms he recently tweeted that the DNC has already decided to back Biden He said look what they did the DNC is again working its magic and its quest to destroy crazy Bernie Sanders Feel uncomfortable saying that to you for the more traditional but not very bright sleepy Joe Biden I feel uncomfortable with that too. Here we go again Bernie But this time please show a little more anger and indignation when you get screwed He's basically saying that the DNC screwed you over last time for Hillary And it's gonna screw you over again Do you think that's happening? And if it does will you have a contested convention? But make let me respond in two senses, and I would never speak I know you We have our when President Trump refers to somebody else as crazy Talk about you know somebody in a glass house So You feel like the DNC is in the tank for candidates look last time around and this time my campaign You know talked about it with whoopee. We are taking on the establishment. That's no great seat But we're taking on Wall Street. We're taking on the insurance companies the drug companies. We're taking on Trump We're taking on the Republican Machine we're also taking on the Democratic establishment the difference though between this time and last time is as you will Recall before the first vote was cast in Iowa Secretary Clinton had five hundred super delegates lined up behind her in other words like it said a hundred yard race She's on the 30-yard line. We ended that we ended that I would go further But right now on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention No, no super delegate will be voting. That's a step forward Second of all I'm feeling pretty good about our campaign and I very much appreciate a president Trump's wholehearted concern about me I know he is being sincere But Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is saying she's she's been excluded from the DNC stage And she actually resigned as you know as vice chair of the DNC last time because of your treatment Number one. Do you think that she was right again? I just don't know if getting rid of super delegates is enough And do you think it's your turn to stand up for her to be on the stage now? Let me just say this I would go further I would ban super delegates from voting on any ballot. We could not achieve that We got them off the first ballot, which was a step forward Tulsi is a good friend of mine Where the DNC right now had a difficult problem. How do you deal with 20 candidates? We're running Do you have 20 people up on the stage together does not make a sensible debate? I think not so they came up with their approach I am not a great fan. I should tell you Megan as to how we do debates in general My own feeling would be rather than giving people 45 seconds to talk about what we do with the crisis of high cost of prescription drugs We focus on health care. We focus on climate change do it issue by issue rather than Trying to deal with 50 different issues in a short period of time So let me just say first of all when Bernie Sanders said when President Trump refers to somebody else is crazy talk about somebody in A glass house. I thought that that was pretty funny Bernie Sanders He absolutely knows how to turn the charm on and that was one of those moments, but essentially let me just say this I don't like to give Donald Trump credit for much But he is right to call out the DNC because the DNC used the institutional advantages that they have to essentially sabotage and Ruin Bernie Sanders chances in 2016 now Bernie Sanders likely wasn't vocalizing his frustration as we all wanted him to Because I'd assume he knew he would run again, but this time we know he's not gonna run again So in the event something similar happens. They absolutely Should be called out by Bernie Sanders a hundred percent But you know the thing about this is Bernie Sanders now has amassed such a large political movement and has made so many Inroads within the progressive community that whatever institutional disadvantages he has He may be able to just still overcome them because he's so popular Like when it comes to the 2016 election The DNC did so many little things to undermine Bernie Sanders, you know, they were working behind the scenes to sabotage him They all hated him they scheduled debates During times when nobody would be paying attention before major holidays Hillary Clinton was in control of the DNC with regard to some financial aspects And she even controlled their press releases according to Donna Brazil now I don't necessarily believe that they are doing that this time although I still worry about that second ballot vote When it comes to superdelegates, but there's really there's no point in worrying right now Because we don't know what's going to happen Bernie Sanders ideally could win Enough to where you know, there's nothing that the DNC can really do I don't want to think about that yet But I do think that you know if Bernie Sanders were to be screwed hypothetically This time it would make more sense to just blast them because you have nothing to lose now You're not gonna run for president again but the real reason why I wanted to talk about this is because Megan McCain surprisingly brought up a good point this segment is weird I'm giving Trump a little bit of credit and I'm saying Megan McCain made a good point What kind of world are we living in but she said you know Tulsi Gabbard It's kind of being screwed right now. Why isn't Bernie speaking up and I Wish Bernie Sanders would come to Tulsi Gabbard's defense He brought up the point that there's a lot of candidates So it's difficult for the DNC to coordinate debates in a way That's fair and I understand that they laid out the criteria before the primary began The issue though and what I would have wanted to see from Bernie here The ideal response would be you know what Tulsi Gabbard is right that the DNC should be more transparent and I'm going to echo her call for greater transparency and I'm going to ask them to release the criteria they use to determine Which polls they're going to use because it seems completely arbitrary currently and given the DNC's history They need to prove to us That they aren't cherry-picking polls in order to marginalize certain candidates Who they don't like because think about this to have Tulsi Gabbard excluded yet Julian Castro and Amy Klobuchar will be attending It's madness. It's absolute madness Tulsi Gabbard has far more support than Amy Klobuchar or Julian Castro So the fact that she's asking for transparency It's only the most reasonable thing imaginable. So since Tulsi Gabbard Spoke out in Bernie's defense in 2016. I'm disappointed that he didn't speak out in her defense now You know it it feels a little bit frustrating and if you're a Tulsi supporter and you're disappointed I do understand, you know, this is frustrating. I've been in your predicament before I understand how you feel You know, this is disappointing and Bernie Sanders answer there wasn't sufficient But if I had to guess it seems like Bernie Sanders is Walking on eggshells because he doesn't want to piss off the DNC because again They have a lot of things that they can use Institutional tools at their disposal to where they can really fuck him over if they truly wanted to do that Now is it the case that the establishment prefers Biden to Bernie or pretty much anyone but Bernie with the exception of maybe Tulsi Gabbard Unquestionably un Questionably, but the thing is if you become so popular and you now have the name recognition and a million volunteers on the ground They can only do so much to hold you back, right? So this situation is incredibly frustrating and this is bound to happen The DNC has not earned the trust back of voters So, you know for Tulsi Gabbard supporters to say there should be more transparency I totally think that that's fair and I understand their frustration