 Trying to explain the concept of acting to my mum, my parents, Nigerian, and they just wanted me to be a doctor and I was like, I'm going to be an actress. She was like, so what is that? Even though it's got its struggles and its difficulties, I still feel like we're super fortunate to be in this position in the first place. Really making enough money to make this a real job. You can pay the rent. Yeah, that's the definition of the job, right? Pay the rent. Pay the rent. There's double age. We've really privileged to do what we do, but at the same time with someone who says that and you think about the work that you put in, is that really, really when I'm working 24-7? Everybody always says, What have you been in? What have you been in? And usually have you been in East Enders? Or have you been in Casualty? Do you get that? Casualty or Hobie City? Art is just a hobby. Yeah, a hobby that you get paid for. I mean, that's what I was thinking. It's not the best. I mean, it's not the dream. Yeah, yeah. It's implying there's something easy just because something's good and that's bullshit. At a drama school they'd say, you're doing a Mickey Mouse degree and actually we were the ones in at 8.30 in the morning still there at midnight, you know, working. And everyone else did seven hours a week. When I was at school, people were like, yeah, yeah, but you'll be at, you know, go and study to be a teacher for us and then it'll always be a safety match when you fail. Do you have a backup plan? Which I guess is when they're expecting us to fail in the next year or so. Or some kind of super fragile bubble burst and we're unable to do it. Right, right. If you say as a young person you want to work in our industry in any way, people just want to shut it down. Teachers, you know, people, random people will just shut it down and say, we've got a backup plan. Well, how are you going to do that? What are you going to do? Instead of going great, off you go. Give it a go. I definitely have people, you know, oh no, do just make some really realistic tanks because that'll get you hired. That's real, like, proper game art. Make some guns and I'm just like, don't want to make guns. I want to make whimsical brightly coloured worlds. I'd say follow what you're passionate about and don't worry about what's specific, necessarily what specific area of the industry you want to go in at the beginning when you're young. There are definitely days, I think, for any creative which are really difficult where you just think, maybe I should have a backup plan. But usually that isn't the case. I just think that we live in an age where you just have to do what makes you feel joy. There are times when it is such hard work and you're literally banging your head against a wall and then there are other times when you do a creative job where you do feel so lucky that that's what you get up and doing in the morning and that that's, you know, you get out of bed for that, it's brilliant. It's never not hard work, but it's fun hard work so it's like, I get what they're saying but at the same time, don't diminish the amount of work we put in because it's a really tough job sometimes. If it's a funded film or TV programme or series, those kind of things, everyone else has paid so yeah, don't do it for free. But if it's something like a student film or something, then I think that's different and I think that everyone also has to get some experience. It's like, oh, I can't pay you, but it'll be great exposure. Oh, it'll be really good exposure.