 I've been toying around with the idea of like a dreamed symphony as a very interesting analogy for the nature of reality. And so whatever that source or that implicate or that infinite consciousness that that dimensionless singularity that's indescribable and indivisible that that is in manifest whatever the function may be. Of self determining its infinity, whatever the function may be. In a sense, we can analogize what exists right now as a symphony in the sense that all of us are artists in the symphony, and that again the idea of the illusory individual the artists just not what it appears to be, but that we we have this like unique contribution like you're going to play the clarinet I'm going to play the piano someone else is going to play the sax, and we're even if you play the same instrument still going to play a different melody or a different harmony than other people will. Some people are maybe playing a little bit more out of tune because they're in like the service to self mentality they're still thinking themselves as the ego and separate and other people are in the service to other they're playing into mentality. So, and our like slowly our like symphonic evolution has like the, the conductor is like the attractor, we can say in a mathematical system towards like an oral boros or whatever the telos is. So how do you like that like dreamed symphony analogy. I think not only is it an excellent analogy it may be the only viable analogy. Let me try to tell you why oh by the way, I would prefer to say that I am the violin being played and you are the cello being played and I like that better. Expand on that to more for us. Because otherwise you have a very dual thing right I am playing the violin as if the violin were outside of you. And then you have to account for that duality while if I am the violin being played, I am the result of the play. And that's why I'm different of you from you and you were different from somebody else we are all unique notes being produced by this underlying instrument. That look at the idea of notes abuse the vibration what is a vibration in air, which is produced by the vibration of a string or a hammer or a column of air in a in a in an organ. And it is crucial to have this as the metaphor it's the only metaphor I found so far because it allows us to make sense of diversity. If all there is is oneness. It's the only way for you to explain diversity. If you postulate that only oneness is truly real. Because diversity is then the variety of vibrations or the variety of excitations of that oneness. And if a guitar string can you can produce different notes with it by plugging it with in different ways, or by holding the chord different different points, holding the string at different points. But there is nothing to anyone of those very different notes other than that one string. But the only thing that's going on is string in movement, but there is nothing to denote, but the string. If you remove the string there is a note. It's like a ripple in water that there is nothing to the ripple but the water in movement, you can't take the ripple out of the water. You can't do that. If you take the water away there is no ripple. The ripple is the water there is nothing to the ripple but the water, yet. There are ripples of different frequencies patterns of movement heights, momentum direction. I mean, that's how you get diversity from oneness. Yes, it's the metaphor of vibration. So I think you're right on. Wow. I love that. And I know that Shri Arbindo said that the, the, the diversity of the oneness is the mathematics of the infinite. Look, even science is coming. Well, a philosophical part of science that arguably is not real science, but, but it's very interesting nonetheless. M theory, the idea of M theory is that everything, all reality is constituted of patterns of excitation of a hyperdimensional membrane or brain as they call it. And you can write all the mathematics for that. So even, even physics seems to be heading in that direction. I think it's an unavoidable insight. Patterns of excitation. And I know this is getting so interesting. I'm so pumped for, for further explorations here. Who else have you heard talk about the dream symphony because I want to research them as well. Well, I have a good friend called Fred Matzer. He's publishing a book next year. He has a film out called Beyond Me. And he talks about it, but I sort of plagiarized him a little bit because he's the one who said, I am the violin being played. Interesting. I'm not playing. I am being played. And his idea is that individuals don't really exist. They are illusions. So if they don't really exist, they can't be playing anything because they're not there to play to begin with. But they may be being played. They may be, they may be being played. Yeah, yeah. Good. And Orobindo also talked about the body as the receiving station for universal music. And yeah, that's another metaphor, right? Yeah, same metaphor. Yeah. So this is so interestingly triangulating on the nature of reality. And I'm so pumped to embed these beautiful wisdoms that you've been able to share with us, plus also that you've been teaching and that are also from all of the leaders because both of us. We stand on the shoulders of such massive giants. And this, this big synthesis that I'm super pumped and passionate about is really the, it's the culmination of like the apex of critical thinking around the nature of reality. And it's really, really important to use metaphor. It's so important. It enables conversation at the highest levels of abstraction. Exactly. And the way you started the interview, you made, you said something in the beginning that I didn't react to, but I didn't forget. You're saying, you know, idealism versus materialism, mind versus matter, these are all dualities. Yes, they are. And they ultimately hold no water because there is ultimately only one thing going on. The problem is, and that's what you alluded to right now, to get into the discourse, we have to make a concession to the current rules of the game. So I make a dualist concession when I label my view idealism as opposed to materialism and all the rest, because if you don't do that, you don't get into the conversation. Now, once you find the conversation, you can make the conversation implode from within my evil plan, but I have to get into it first. This is such such an interesting way of viewing it is that there's this, there's this like bell curve that we could call like, you know, somewhere around maybe 95% or so people fit within two standard deviations and we could call this like the evolutionary mixer, where many people are focused on survival and reproduction and many of the symbols that are being exchanged, like memes are of kind of that's that that they're not at the, the the edges of the the bell curve at these because what's going on at the, the regressive tail are still some people violence and slavery and it's all these bad things, but at this very progressive tail. There are people beyond two standard deviations that are the ones that are at the highest levels of abstraction that have to then create some sort of stories and metaphors like we got to do some Harry Potter. Like Pixar Walt Disney style communication of the stories to get the center the evolutionary pacer for people to kind of like level up like we're shooting portals in a sense for people to jump through. There has to be a sometimes this like concession, just because you can't bypass the gatekeeper, unless you do these concessions or maybe if you embed the stories in animations or music, or other things but even then, like, I really like your point on we need myths. We absolutely need the myths. Otherwise, otherwise we don't have a democratic process. So we need modern myths and we need to take myths seriously, not literally, seriously. Oh, Bernardo. Wow. Such a powerful conversation. Thank you for joining us on the show. I had a lot of fun. It was a pleasure. I just looked at the clock and it's been almost two hours. Yeah, yeah.