 Hello, can I get a vegan Royale? Do you have that that one the katsu one? Katsu vegan Royale in a meal with fries and a Pepsi with no no ice and can we have nine-piece nuggets? So what we got we got a katsu curry the nuggets and the burger. Thank you Taste says a vegan Royale for us, bro So this is vegan chicken burger This is a vegan one You didn't see anything Yeah, like death and crap Different labeling Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's crazy Well, they change a label don't they fancy What do you think about cruelty to animals generally like Yeah, why for the animals But I'm older kind of a build range that more because of Now I just kind of eat whatever I'm given to think yeah, cuz you're homeless. Why do you think people eat meat? Why do you think people like these people here? Why do they eat it? Just it's like in their condition Yeah I've been vegan nearly about nearly nine years You don't like tofu. I don't think you've had the right tofu to say that Vegetables in general are better than that stuff. Yeah, you don't worry I'll have a curry man. If I was having a curry, I'll have a vegetable curry anyway Do you want to have you had the vegan burger from Burger King? Would you do a taste test on camera? Yeah, I'll go buy it for you now. Yeah, go on then. Can you watch the things? This is a vegan one So right I don't know I reckon Sawyer in that a Sawyer, it's a Sawyer burger. It's Sawyer. It's Sawyer, isn't it Sawyer in that it's just plants It's good. You know, at least say it's not like some chopped up When you get a burger in that it looks looks the same as any other burger, right? I'll say chicken burger, for example. It could easily just be a chicken burger, couldn't it? Yeah, except there's no one getting chopped up. They're head chopped There's no blood, there's no guts, and there's no pain at all. Yeah, I'll get you. And it tastes all right. The cost is a thing as well though sometimes. Yeah, sometimes meat's cheaper I think that's about the same price though. Yeah, if it's the same price then yeah, I think people should buy for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But obviously when you're in a shop and that tastes good, as you get 10, say 10 Fish fingers, for example, for like, if you've got, you know the cheap, like, taste grow value You get like the bulk, your bulk burger. But they don't do that in vegan food or vegetarian food or It's just the cheapest foods that are vegan, right? The rice and the lentils and the beans and the The pasta and the bread and all that Then you just get a little bit of the meats in that, the vegan meats, you know what I mean? I want to say like, what's it called, corn in it? Corn, a little bit of the corn, I like the cornhams and things like that. It's kind of quite processed though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it is processed. It's sort of meat though, isn't it? Yeah, so it's a chicken burger. They're even vegan burgers too, I suppose. Yeah, isn't it? I'd rather eat processed plants than processed chopped up bodies, body parts. I'd rather eat plants than that, because if I had the choice, I'd eat this. But in my situation, I'd just keep eating it. I'll get what you're saying man. But when I get my house and get my children out, I'll go back to eating and just plant it. I'd rather eat that animal stuff than them. Because when you think about it, the little chicken, right? I couldn't do it. There's someone in there, there's a little brain in that. Yeah. If I can't kill it myself, then I shouldn't. Should we be paying other people? I mean, if you do it yourself, then I think that's a different thing. And that's for something, when people do have a choice and they go in there and they're actually paying for cruelty or they're just paying for plants, you know what I mean? Yeah, they're a plant and they, but then if people want to be funny, they start going, oh well, plants have got a life in it. Yeah, no one thinks a carrot suffers like a puppy dog suffers. No, you get some dickies at times. They do. They do say, they tell me tomatoes feel pain all the time and I'm like, you would not call the cops if you see me chopping a tomato, but if you see me stabbing a kitten, stabbing a dog or something, they'd call. It's not about the dog beating that. Like, how come they eat all these animals in this country, but you can't eat animals, if you don't eat animals, you might as well eat them all. Do you know what that's called? It's called speciesism. What does that mean? It's like racism, but speciesism. It's when you discriminate between species. So like, we won't eat dogs and we look after the dogs, but the pigs are food and pigs are more into... Does China eat everything, I suppose? Yeah, yeah, it's more consistent, but it's still... A lot of people in China like dogs, but some places in China, they eat dogs, you know what I mean? I just thought China was one in countries where they eat everything. Like, any animal, they eat anything. Depends on the region. Depends on the region, yeah. But like, there is no difference between killing a dog and killing a cow. Well, it's all meat in it, it's all dirt. Yeah, we're all living animals that don't want to die. Yeah, that's why we're all breathing it, yeah, it's all pain. Different to a tomato though, who we don't care. I don't really care about a tomato. You know, I don't mind a squash one. Yeah, no, not really, mate. Do you do it across the UK or just Norwich? Oh, across the UK, man. Across the UK. In Australia, I got around the world investigating farms and stuff as well, going to factory farms. So it's probably quite big with the farmland, isn't it? Yeah, this... Like, it's different to here. Like, Norwich is quite far from here, don't it? It's the factory farms here that no one sees. They're big buildings. Yeah, big factory farms. And they think, oh, you see the sheep and the cows on the land, but that's not... Majority of animals are coming out of industrial... Yeah. That's what I've been doing the other day, that's what I've been asking about. When McFunnel was the other day, I went in there, my pal was getting me some chips, and he said, oh, some of our free range... Yeah, free range hens, you're saying? Yeah. And now we're in Barnes, right? Well, how's that f***ing free range? Because there's some... It's good bird flu. They take away free... There's nothing in this free range, though. There's not a free range. So, I can see some of our free range hens. That's what I'm saying. And I've been in free range Barnes, and I've seen a bunch of free range investigations, even when they do let them out, and the free range hens end up dying on their faces because of laying egg after egg after egg. Well, it's like a... It sucks the life out. Everybody lay in that, the other sort of thing, yeah. It's just that the egg laying is what gets them. It sucks the life out of them. Just they're not supposed to produce that many eggs. They usually produce one a month, but because they've been modified, they produce like one every day. It's like a modified sort of thing, yeah. Yeah, they're selectively bred. So, they're pushing out like a nearly an egg a day. So, it puts all this strain on their body, and you're pushing a basketball out of your s*** every day for something. You know what I mean? Like, how would you feel at the end of the year? So, that's what gets them the free range hens, so... You're so fat, aren't you? Yeah. How long have you been vegan? Did you see me, or...? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I stopped... What made you change? I went to prison, got sober, because I was big into drugs and gangs and gangs in Australia. And then I went to prison, I got sober, and because I was sober, I was like, I've already seen someone talking about, like, karma to do with animals and that. And then when I got out, I was like, I made a decision about a month after I was out. And my mum was talking about, like, I was talking about how she shouldn't be smoking. And she's like, oh, there's... She's looked at me like I was an idiot, because I just put her through hell and back for my life. Yeah, a hypocrite. Hypocrite, yeah. But then when she said it, she goes, oh, there's a lot of vices people have, they don't change. And then I thought... I've always thought I was a hypocrite, because I care for dogs. I've got a cow on my plate. I would never do that to a cow. I'm trying to change my life. I felt like a hypocrite, and I hate feeling like a hypocrite. Yeah, you can't deal with that, yeah. I couldn't deal with it. So then the next day, I went full vegan, and then I started to be an activist. It's not true ever since. November the 1st, 2013. They've been asleep all night, huh? No. Well, maybe at the start, I looked in the back, and I was like, oh, I can't eat that now. Yeah. Well, that's what I heard about. Even sweets apparently like me. Yeah, you see, you learn all that. You like me. That's my anecdote, isn't it? Yeah. They got gelatin from killed... You know, the gas chamber pigs here. They put them in a gas chamber. Have you seen it? It's crazy, bro. What's that like they should do to Jewish people? That kind of thing. It's a gas chamber. See, look, it's not the same type of gas. That was ICON-B. No, I mean that kind of approach. It's... Let me show you, so you know. And then they feed... Is it illegal? Isn't that illegal? It's... It's... If you torture a pig like this on the street, but the industry do it constantly, so they force them down this... It's pretty good. Where's this? This is Australia, but they've got them all in the UK as well. There's one in Manchester, big one in Manchester. So they push them in here, and they put them down this dungeon, and there's gas down there. See them trying to escape? It's like a truck, yeah. It's CO2 gas. You know the same gas that's in your Pepsi? It burns when it burns. You know when it burns? When you drink your Pepsi and you burp it? That's what they're feeling, like burning their skin, their eyes. Yeah, it causes them crazy suffering. And they all know it. They know what causes them suffering too. The industry know. They just still do it. Why would you want something to suffer? They don't care about the money. They don't care if a pig suffers for bacon. They want the bacon. But we make bacon. Vegans eat bacon, but it's made out of plants. Tastes like bacon. So it's become quite a thing recently, vegan, isn't it? In the UK. But I think it's going to be... I don't know if it's why it works for fads, but like, you know how many people... Some people do it for a little while, and they don't do it, and then... You know, like, it's almost trendy. Not in a... I get what you're saying. It's got to become mainstream. It's become... Like hippie, almost. Yeah. But I'm not a hippie. Nah, nah, we're not. But I mean, like, other people... You see, like, the hippies are doing it. I get it. You know what I mean? Nah, yeah. It's called it to be... It does. It's got to be mainstream, like... Nah, because I want to be awkward. No, not that. That's the right word. I don't know, but... Like, new age kind of thing. Yeah, like, because... I get what you're saying. Yeah, but I hope it sticks to... I do it for the... I do it for the reasons of the animals. The animals, that's the... You're not doing it because your pal do it, and you think it's cold. I do it for... And I... And it's my... I actually spend my whole life speaking for the animals, you know, dedicated to it. So... Because it's so bad, and everyone supports it. It's one of the worst things... I don't think people realise you're just putting those... Like, when you're going to just go and buy something, you just think... You know what I mean? But if they actually... You're disconnected from it. Yeah. I mean, it's in a packet. You don't... Nah, it's completely removed from what it was. But you should try them nuggets as well, bruvz. They're gangster chicken nuggets. They're good. They're all right. I don't know, I like them, because I've been vegan for a long time, but like... They look bigger for a start. That's always good when you're homeless. Yeah. So, imagine a little kid, right? You give... So, this is the thing with kids. They eat a nugget. They don't know there's some suffering bird on the other end of them. No, no, you don't do that, because it's little. Yeah. So, they just eat nuggets. Say, mama, I want some nuggets. I want some fish fingers. They don't know they're real chickens and real fish that will suffer in blood and got gutted. I know what's been happening. Yeah. They wouldn't eat it otherwise, eh? They're all right, everyone. Yeah. Yeah, I like these ones better. Yeah. What's your name again, bruvz? Jamie, mom. Good to meet you, Jamie. Jamie, all right. Take care. How are you? We're going to go back to work, all right? Yeah, yeah, take care. We're going to go turn people vegan. Yeah, good luck. Good luck to you too, brother, eh? Peace out, mate.