 Well, I haven't seen this dude in forever. You just did his podcast. Lou, have you met Ryan Racillo yet? I have not. Well good, then we're gonna have an introduction right now from the Ryan Racillo podcast and a thousand other things. Who are we kidding? Racillo is here. What's up, buddy? Good to see you again. This has been a minute. It's the last time I saw you we're at ESPN and I remember you came onto SportsNation and they were like, he doesn't have enough energy. I'm like, that's who, he's just a dry dude. Like, let him live. That's what you did about him? No, I didn't say it. And then he and I talked about it and mocked everybody that said it. True or false, Ryan Racillo has been to my house in Malibu for a party. True. Well, true or false, I think I got there after the party had been going on for 48 hours. Oh my God. That checks out. That's right. Yeah. Chandler, it was so bad, Chandler left his own house. Yeah. So I remember I brought a friend, shall we say. And I was like, this house is sick. Great dude, a lot of cool people. It's going to be amazing. Chandler and I's mutual buddy was like talking it up and she was like, all right, this is going to be great. The big car service, SUV Black. Oh, wow. Obviously. In Dirty Dog. Yeah. So I was like, I'm doing this up huge and it looked like a bomb went off. And then Chandler left. You left from that. I don't know. Do you trust people in your house? I would steal something if I would knew you were. Yeah, I trust it. By the way, so the record, Chandler was fine. It was just like everything else going on. It was over. If it was, yeah, if it's a week, it's a three day party. It's coming to go as you please. Lou, have you been to one of these parties? I have not. I have not either. Because now I'm a working man. I'm a father. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I'm sick and tired of you. All right, so let's get some hoops talk here because Embiid made the big return last night, which is still shocking to everyone on this panel that he's already back. But he had 24 points. They make it out of the play-in. They're getting Boston or Milwaukee. Can we be hyped for this? What kind of a chance are you giving it? Well, it's a lot more fun than watching what they've been since he was gone because they've just been terrible. I think they've tried to piece it together as much as they possibly can. But last night, it was interesting for a few different reasons, right? Because they were subbing him in and out with that game mattering. They could have just said, all right, fine. He got back. He got his run. It's clear. I don't care what Nick Nurse said about his conditioning. I mean, it's just not realistic that he would be back and close to peak conditioning for him because he's a big guy. He hasn't like playing in a real basketball game, completely different than all the work that you would do leading up to it. So he had a couple big shots. I actually thought he was a little passive, which is understandable. But going up against Boston or Milwaukee this late in the game, like Boston has a lot of things they can throw at him. I think Boston, with the history of those two teams, would welcome it. So the name brand part of that, being the first round matchup, you're like, wait, this isn't what's supposed to happen. You're getting back to the NBA's MVP in the first round. But I just don't know if those two teams would be afraid of what we saw last night, unless it gets a lot better in the next two weeks. Yeah, I think just that as a teammate of Joel's, I think that does give us that boost, that confidence, that, OK, any given night, we have Joel and B, we can feed him, we can dominate him. The seven games, is that enough for him to get in good shape? That, I don't know. But I said, Ryan, I've torn my mask, it's four times. The fact that he's back playing 30 minutes, doing what he did last night, after just missing nine weeks was the most impressive thing to me. And yeah, his cardio is going to come. He's going to turn the ball over. He's going to be a little passive, like you said. But the fact that he's on the floor to me gives him at least that the season is not just a waste. You know what I mean? Like now, at least we have a team we can go to war with in the postseason, no matter who we play. If it's the Celtics, so it's a big mountain to climb. But at least now we have the confidence with Joel and B going. But on the flip side of that, think about what your, if you're the Boston Celtics, what are you thinking? You're like, well, damn. What are you thinking? I put this, I put this team in a position to be one of the best in the league this year, only to be rewarded with Joel and B and Tyrese Maxi for the first round of the playoffs. Like you change, he's changing the whole dynamic of the playoff look. Yeah, Ryan, if you're the Celtics, would you rather the Miami Heat or the Philadelphia 76ers? Because they're probably going to get one of those two after having a hell of a season. Yeah, no, I mean, you would think, and you guys can answer this a lot better than I can. But I'd always like to think, like, if you think anything of yourself, if you have any kind of personal pride, knowing that you blew that series to Miami, because I still, like, I think that Eastern Conference finals outcome is still one of the most surprising playoff series I've ever seen, because Miami just punked them for three straight games. It's like, Boston, you're like, you're really going to let this happen? And then Boston wakes up, they get it to 17, it turns the ankle. So you would think, like, yeah, no, actually, we want those guys again, because we want to prove what happened last year. The difficult thing about, I'm getting emotional about it. Oh my god. Play it cool, play it cool. Stay cool. Keep press. All right, all right. I watched the heat for, what, five, six months? And then it's like, OK, none of that mattered. Like, the team I watched last night against New York, where most of their guys are back, and Butler is defending Brunson, and Kailin Martin's back in there, and Jovic, who I have a sneaky love for. Like, I watched that game against New York, who's missing all of their other guys, and we're like, wait, would this be a four seed if they had played like that the entire time? So I still think Miami would be the more challenging basketball team than Philadelphia, because I don't know why it's going to look so much better in two weeks, but you would think there'd be some lingering personal pride from athletes after what happened last year to Boston losing in the Easter Conference finals. Yeah, and anytime there's like a banged up team all year long, and you just know Miami, at some point, they're going to get Tyler Hero back. Now they've got Martin back. They're getting Jimmy Butler back, so it's like, at some point, this team's going to be full strength, and I don't want to play them in the first round. But given as a competitor of what happened in the past, yeah, I'm a little more juiced up than playing, you know, a banged up Philly. Well, but also I want to survive in advance too and just play Orlando in the second round. So whatever's the easiest path also would be kind of nice. We give Miami a lot of credit because they usually turn it on at the end of the season, and they become one of those teams that you don't want to run into. But pre-Joel Embiid injury, Philadelphia was the top three team in the Eastern Conference. So to run into them with Joel Embiid back for the first round of the playoffs, I think in my personal opinion, that's a scarier matchup. Just selfishly as a fan and people, we're all going to be watching. I love everything about what's happening right now. I'll tell you this, whoever Philly plays the first round of Joel Embiid wasn't playing, I probably wouldn't watch that series at all. And now. Now what Joel Embiid, at least it's spicy. It changes everything. Let's talk Celtics for a second, because they are, it's just a crazy team, and I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they're watching Joela come back and they're like, damn it. But they got the best record, and then Jason Tatum takes a lot of heat, predominantly clutch time critiquing. Where are you on what he's done, what he can do? What are his limitations, if any? Just a real quick thing, I think with the history of the playoffs and B, Boston's like, whatever. Really? Seriously. Yeah, all right. I think they think Embiid's easier to guard in the playoffs than the other top guys in the league. In Miami? So, I just think it's harder for a traditional center to destroy you in those late possessions, but as we're talking about possessions. I don't think anything traditional about Joel Embiid. I feel you, but Joel Embiid, that's not traditional to me. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. I mean, if we're going to George Mike and you got me. No, not that traditional. No, we won't go that back. We won't go that far. Yeah, but also, who won the Celtics try it? Who won the Celtics try it? Przenkis ain't guarding Joel in the half-court offense. Horford, so they're going to be double teaming. So these guys like Ubre, Harris, are going to get a lot of more open shots than they have the last nine weeks. Horford does, and I can't believe he's still doing this. I guess I know. But he does an incredible job of like just making everything, all the work before the catch and the setup. He just does a better job against Embiid than other people have done. I think that's why the Sixers were motivated to sign him as a free agent years ago. And here we are like five, six years later, and he's still giving them good minutes. You're right, Przenkis one-on-one. Like nobody's going to handle Embiid one-on-one. I would just say I've noticed stuff I feel like late with him in some of those big possessions where he needs to be set up to get into position or he needs to be set up to get that catch of the free throw line, which is a layup for him. But it's just a little bit harder for him than say like a list of two or three other perimeter guys that can kind of get the ball and just go. At least that's the way I, you know, look, we may just disagree about it, but I don't think Boston's going to go, oh no, we have to play him again when they've had a pretty good track record against him in the playoffs. See, and to me, the Celtics, they're- Like who's stopping Boston? Well, their weakness was their depth today, but the fact that they went through the whole regular season, they're 59 and 16 with Pritchard and Hauser and Horford as they're only three real rotational bench players is nuts. So everyone knows getting into the post-season it shortens anyway. So now I think that's almost an advantage to them because now guys are really good, teams are just going to go seven, eight deep anyways. So now I think that that weakness turns into a strength because those guys are proven, those guys are ready. They've gotten all the reps all year long and they're healthy and they've been healthy, which helps a lot. Who's stopping them? Well, you want me to go ahead. Like look, the late game stuff though, Michelle, you're asking me about, like I see it too because, you know, if you dig into all the numbers and we did this with Bill on Sunday, there's not really like this number that jumps out. They're like, oh, in 2020 they did this, but then the late game they did this or their playoff efficiency and offense went down a hill. And you're like, you know, it's all kind of pretty steady. Like 22 was probably more about defense. But I've looked at all the clutch numbers. I think it's more of an eye thing than something that's looked at in the number because they only have like after the all-star break, eight games that qualify as clutch. But I do think they get a little isolation, jab step, triple threat, happy where Tatum and Jalen are so good at making absurd shots that they kind of default to that. But the byproduct of that becomes that everybody's just standing around watching to see if the shot is gonna go in and they make themselves easier to defend. So this is an historically accomplished statistical regular season team. But I think some of that lingering stuff that those of us that have watched in the locker, like, hey, is that going to be enough? Not just to get out of the East, but to beat say a Denver in the finals because I thought that was a very clear difference between the execution of those two teams when they play twice this year. But right, so right now, would you take the Celtics or would you take the field just to get out of the East? I take the Celtics over the field, but I wouldn't take them over Denver. Yeah, me neither. That sounds fair, right? I mean, the fact that there are 32 and three at home, which is, like you said, sometimes we see Tatum take these, it's like Luca, when you see him take this 35 foot step back three at the end and he misses it, it's like, what the fuck? Well, what kind of? Especially when teams are going all runs. Yeah, it's like, why are you taking the shot? So when you see Tatum and Brown, they get to their mid-range to do it, that's a low efficient shot, right? That's a low percent shot. But when he makes it to hero, what a crazy shot. But most of the time it's not a high, it's not a good shot. Live by it, die by it. They are a jump shooting basketball team. They like shooting jump shots and they like shooting three corners. They're gonna live and die by it. Even when teams go on a six to eight point run, you would think they'll come down, get something flowing where the ball moves side to side. No, this team plays ice old basketball and they're gonna live by it and die by it. And that's what we wait to see in the postseason. I can't wait to hear your take on Dreymond Green because the fourth ejection of the season just happened. It was so egregious that I think he finally lost Lou as a staunch defender, at least this week. It was the first time it has happened. So where are you? Are you reading Kerr and Curry as just like, they gotta be over it, but they gotta also stand by their dude? Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think it's standing by him. I think it's, you know, sometimes you do everything as a parent. I don't know what that's like, but you know, your kid just sucks. You just go like, we tried, we did a lot of stuff. We bought him stuff, we deprived him of stuff. We tried all these different angles, we read books and you know, he's just, he's not gonna listen to us. Just, you know. So I think the stuff that's really frustrating about Dreymond is I think his personality is really important to this entire run. I've always felt like every team needs one guy that's gonna kind of live in the gray area and fight for you emotionally because the rest of the Golden State Warriors over these years have been kind of passive personalities. I mean, they're great. There's a bunch of my favorite players I've ever watched, but they need a Dreymond to be this kind of emotional fuel for them throughout a lot of this stuff. So I think that was kind of the agreement where they all understood, hey, we're gonna need to let him go a little bit further because this is just who he is. I remember I interviewed him after the 16 finals in person in Toronto at the All-Star events and I was like, is there any part of you that regrets, you know, what happened in 16 and really the finals turning on that? He was like, nope. I was like, I wouldn't have 70 million if I acted like you or something like that. And I mean, he wasn't actually being a jerk about it to me, but he was basically saying like, I am wired this way, this is what you get. And that's why I have all this money in the bank. And I've got it. So I don't think that he's ever really felt like he has to be more accountable. Like all of us want to be more accountable. I think he finally said it on his own podcast though. He said, I might have cost us a championship in 2016. I believe that's what he said on his podcast. So what does he believe? Because he says one thing, he says another thing. Absolutely. What is what? What's up? My thing is it's all fun games. He is the emotional leader. He is that heartbeat. He is that toughness. But when you're not on the floor for your team, all that shit goes out the window. So if you, yes, you are that emotional leader and you are the tough guy in locker room and Clay and Steph is great as they are. They are kind of passive and they're super nice guys, but they're not going to be the guys to jump you in practice. They're not going to be the guys to check coach, you know, Steve Kerr. Yeah, they're not that. But when it comes to this level, where now he's missing games, and as Steph Curry, as Steve Kerr, you realize that we are a much better team when he is on the floor. That's where then I'm pissed off. That's when Steph Curry is literally and again on the court, because where there's 23 and 11 since he's back, that's a huge difference than the bad product they were putting without him. So his value is more important than his, his attitude and his toughness. That doesn't matter to me if he's not able to play cause he's suspended doing dumb shit. Agreed. End of the day, Jordan Poole was not the only player that got punched this year last year. Trust me. He was the only one that somebody leaked the tape. Trust me. You mean punched by Draymond or? There's a hot take. There's like a serial puncher laughing. Hold on, how many of you have seen punched in the face? You know what's crazy, the crazy, I saw Omri Kaspe and Garrett Temple beat each other and there was no video of it. That's a deal. That's what I'm saying. The problem is the video getting leaked. Is that the problem? Somebody gets punched. Oh, you're not saying Draymond's punched like 30 years last year. You've been nice. Cause that would have been a story. Not it, not it. Yeah, that's what I was like. Can I go now? Well there is probably 25 other altercations that with Draymond, with anyone else that if it was on tape, we would really be mind blown. I know. What are we not seeing? Side note, the Omri Kaspe, Garrett Temple, but it was the Omri- That's the weirdest duo I've ever, why would they be mad at each other? Yeah, Garrett Temple's like the nicest guy in the world. And Omri- It was crazy. What was the deal? The loss that we were in Memphis was after loss and I'm talking like blows, punching each other in the face to where like we were so caught up, we didn't even break it up. We were just like watching. And then finally- It was like hockey. But it was a crazy fight. It was literally a hockey fight. I kind of love that. You let him breathe. If that video came out, it would have been so viral. Punched every day, B. What is wrong with you? Lou is the worst. Kaspe wasn't a big rebounder, right? Kaspe? Can't even break it up. Let me ask you this. Warriors Lakers, we got the whole play-in situation. Either one of those in your opinion, a viable option to make a deep run? Both, I don't know. This is the most clueless I think I've ever been entering the West. Seriously, I like so many of these teams and I'm like, all right, I can find the argument, right? I can find the argument against them. Like I got asked the other day, I was like, okay, after Denver, because I think Denver, it makes sense to default to Denver. And that's with Murray back, because they have a really hard time with guys on the ball creating on their own. There's just not a lot of those guys. And when Jokic comes out now, you can just see that the offense has struggled a little bit. So anyway, when I look at the match-up part of it, like I think Minnesota, with the way they've handled the Clippers, with the way they can have Go-Bear cover Gordon the dunker spot, and then Denver tries to have Gordon bring Go-Bear away and they just ignore it and they're like, fine, you want to shoot corner three, just airing to it. That means Jokic isn't shooting the basketball. Like I like Minnesota as another option, but I know you could come back at me and kill me on the late offense. What is the thing that you trust? What does it look like with Kat coming back if he's coming back late and all that kind of stuff? So when you start factoring Golden State LA into it, like Golden State's been, I mean, actually both these teams have been really good since you look at these record points, but I think it's an awful match-up for Golden State. Like last year in the playoffs, you just went, this is impossible. We're talking which of those teams make a run. One of those teams aren't getting out of the play-in. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, one of the... Which is weird to... Yeah, like I don't think they're catching Phoenix and Phoenix is gonna, you know, Phoenix Sacramento and then one of those teams are out. So it's... Do you guys like Phoenix? Dude, I'm so scared of Phoenix. I love Phoenix. I thought they were so, you know, underperforming, but I've said it all year long. I think they have it all. I think the pickup of like a Royce O'Neill is great. Nurkitsch, they'll constantly have 15 and 15. Nobody talks about that. Beal's been a little bit of a roller coaster inconsistent, but when you have that much offensive firepower and you have Grayson Allen now having a career, you're shooting three. What a world we live in. They have so many weapons offensively, where to me, that's scary. Minnesota had a great year. OKC had a great year, but I'm not scared to play them in the postings. I haven't seen them do it before. So KD is why you think. I've seen those. I've seen Devin Booker do it. I've seen Kevin Durant do it though. So those guys, their resume scares me more than what you haven't seen them do it together. That's my problem. And they've been super inconsistent. I just know what they're capable of. There we go. Well, wait, Ryan, why'd you ask? Cause are you not buying them? I had a really hard time and I know it's one game, but the rematch against the Spurs, where they lost. You mean the three of the four they lost? I love it so much. Yeah, or that. They were a team where I was like, I don't really care what the record is. I don't care what the seed is. I don't care where all the numbers are. Like, these guys haven't played enough games together. Like, once they roll it out. Like, I love Booker. He is one of my favorite players of the last few years. It wasn't immediate with him, but just the way he is, and he goes about his business. Like, I wish more basketball players, just as soon as they stepped on the court, were like that guy. I think he has that thing that you need to just raise your game to another level. And we've at least seen with the run in 21, and we're like, okay, there's something there, as opposed to some of these other players that I love, that, you know, I think there's always a moment of, oh, is that guy comfortable right now? Like, I remember Shay Gilgis Alexander in that run with the Thunder where they went to the Rockets with seven games, and it was Chris Paul, and it was Shrooder. Like, SGA, granted he was younger, he wasn't the first option. You're like, I don't know if he's entirely comfortable out there. And now I would never even think that of him, going, you know, because the team is his and all these different things. So with Phoenix, they check all these boxes, but I feel like I gave up in the last week, and their closing schedule is absurd. When you look at everybody they're gonna play, with more than regular, it's unbelievable how bad it is. Yeah, somebody was mad at that. Yeah, I'm gonna write on this one. Like, you just, they haven't had that firepower that you would expect from the talent that they have on paper. I hadn't seen to put one of those runs together where I'm like, yo, this is gonna be a dangerous basketball team. Compost season, it's just so many inconsistencies in how they play and how they defend. It just worries me sometimes. Minnesota 52 and 23, Phoenix 44 and 31. If they put in the playoffs, I think I'm taking the Suns. I mean, when you put it like that, it isn't interesting. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't care about their regular season record. I really don't. The numbers are the numbers. I'm just, I'm a vibe guy. I ain't feeling the vibe. I love vibes, I do. Yeah, I'm not feeling the vibe. I'm putting the vibes. Yeah, it's got vibes and visions. Suns and four, we're gonna get that. We're gonna get that kid back. We're gonna get that kid back. And I'm all full night sweep him. I think like a few weeks ago, I probably would have gone with you on this. By the way, this is what we're getting. We're getting it. And then I'm waiting around for like the Clippers and they just gonna go, hey, we showed you what we needed to do for two months and now we're gonna stink. Yeah, me and Lou, me and Lou were hot on the Clippers. Now they have shit to defend. I think I'm still there. So we agree again. It's so many of these teams in the West that I really, really like that it's just, it's all over the place. I should exchange numbers after this show. But seriously, like what about Dallas? Like I know Dallas is scary. Dallas is scary. That's what, we've named 10 teams now. I know. And they're all good, they're all deep and they all can beat you any given night. Dallas is one of those teams I can't get with, but Chandler loves it. Same, the vibes. I can get with it. By the way, I just want to fast forward to the playoffs. On the MVP thing, Luz had SGA, had him since before the season even started. Chandler's got Yolkich. You actually have a vote. Where are you leaning? And if it is Yolkich and he gets his third. Is he, is he best? Although, I mean, I know Tony Kukoch has his opinion, but where are you? Which is a ridiculous take. What was it? I missed that. He was a huge player, man. You guys get mad at us, the media. You've been on fire the last time. Kukoch went nuts. Yolkich isn't on the level of Lade. He was in top five. Someone else, some Dino Rajel coaches. Yolkich is good in all the stats are cool, but he's nowhere near as good as Dino Rajel. Stats are cool. That was a real quote. Stats are cool, bro. It reeks of old school. Wait, you get a vote, Ryan? Okay, what can we get? Look at that. Yeah, what? Thanks, Chandler. You seem excited about it. He does. Oh, wow, that's cool. Like, what's wrong with you? Can we get a vote? No, we don't get a vote. We're not real. I just got it. I didn't get it until after I left the ESPN. That's the best part. That was the weirdest, like, all these things that have me post ESPN. It was like, oh, is that because of ESPN? It was like, no, I actually, as soon as I left, I think. What's gone? I don't really get it either. No, I think somebody in the office, he was like, do you know how many games this loser watches? That's just- You should get a vote, though. Think of the people who do. Like, you should get a vote. Do you, how hard do you think about it? Or you already know. You're like, I already, I've had it. Last year, I really had a hard time with it. Okay. You know, because I think it's really important. Yeah. You know, you're as a- You got a vote last year, too? Just shut up. Thanks, buddy. He's never been more impressed by a human God in his life. I don't know if that, I feel like there's a tad, like, man, all right, you know? When we started bringing up the Koo Coach thing, I started bringing up the globe, being like, let me try to figure out what's going on and why they're dumping on Yokech so bad. Last year, I struggled with it. I really, really struggled. I ended up going with Indeed. I didn't, but I just tried to make the vote the vote. Because last year, there was so much bullshit going on, just warring tribes on that. That was so frustrating, because I felt like you just had to be so dismissive of either one of the players to make your point. And I just didn't think that's what it was. And I thought the way Embiid closed and Yokech in Denver was kind of like over it. And you get to try to go the whole season. So anyway, having said that, I have no hesitation with Yokech this year. Like, no, there's no way. There's no way he could wear a T-shirt that says Rhymer Sillow sucks, warm ups. And there's just no way I'd be voting for anybody else. It really comes down to Luca and Giannis 2-3 for me, which makes Lou probably upset that I'm against Giannis 2-3. Well, today I conceded. Today I conceded, I thought the only way that he could possibly pull it off if they finished the season with the one seed and him being the leader of that. And with some slippage, I think they're in third today or something of that nature. It's changing two days. But Lou, he said Luca and Giannis are his two and three. I know your SGA. I'm gonna bypass that part. And not Tatum, but no love for Tatum. It's a lot of people that likes Giannis as well. Giannis is a sleeper pig, surprising me. I just feel like there's almost like, we're so used to it now that like, I almost voted Giannis last year. Really? Yeah. No point. It's like we're just, it's just, he's there. He's in our subconscious all the time. But I'm working. Yeah, like he doesn't have, I'm sorry to show. Yeah, no, go ahead. I think it's because sometimes Giannis, and I think the guys that played, like he just gets it and goes through everybody. There isn't like, we had that thing this season. We're like, where's the bag? Where's the bag? I don't know, man. Whatever it is, it works. And I love that he's up for it every single night. That's the thing about it. Not dimensionally. I think he's mad. Ryan, Yoke has just scheduled, they got the hawks to jazz, the spurs, the grizzlies. Like they're gonna get the onesie too. Yes, he is. Stamps is. Let's spurs things, not a given. So let's slow down. Let's talk first, first, second. You're right, this is the last game and nobody will play. I know, maybe not. They've been fighting the Chet Holmgren Rookie of the Year thing basically all season, although that's weakened a little bit. It's Wembe's, right? I mean, who cares what the team right is? Go ahead, Ryan. I hate Rookie of the Year being factored in by like, oh, those games mattered more. Same. Like Chet, Chet can have a game or he doesn't have, like I like Chet, so I don't want to argue against Chet. But Chet's role and responsibility on this team is completely different than when Benyama's and Victor's the better player. Yeah. See, I think we've returned the corner on Wembe again, the things he's doing. 19 wins done. I just think when, yeah, so we're not looking at all at wins and losses in this only award. Everything else, All-Star, MVP, wins matter. Rookie of the Year doesn't. Right, you're rookie. You're just doing it. But it's just, it's crazy when it's a draftsman. Okay, we're talking about the best team arguably in the West and the worst team in the West. What do you, you don't think, Chet will put up those numbers on the Spurs and still get that many wins? We almost had a quadruple double and lost. On the flip side though, how good would the thunder be if Wembe was on the thunder? This is what it's been all season, right? This is hard, like it's mesmerizing, but it's just hard to root for when it comes to winning and award. We can agree that winning does not matter. Fine, Wembe, by far, is the better player, better future, and he has had a hell of a year. Fine, winning just does not matter. A lot of these big numbers have come with losses. That's all we're saying. Most of them. Right, and he also had like three months where no one on the team could throw him an entry pass. Okay, but Chet is living possibly at number one seed, Ryan. That's gotta count for something. It's coming, Ryan. We, this has been awesome. I hope you'll come back on again. Was it Bill that said he, when he watches Wembe, he feels like he's in a dream? I think so, although he lost his mind. I mean, I'm glad we're leaving now before I get to say, I'm flirting with Wembe for defensive player of the year. Yes! All right, I'll come back. This is all, I love this so much. All right, this has been great. It's been good to catch up. Talk soon. Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it, Ryan. We'll take a quick break, we'll be back. Run it up, then run it back, run it back, run it up.