 Welcome. This is our regularly scheduled Thursday, September 28th, City of Capitola City Council meeting. May we please have a roll call? Council Member Brooks. Here. Council Member Clark. Here. Council Member Peterson. Here. Vice Mayor Brown. Here. And Mayor Kaiser. Here. Would you all join in the Pledge of Allegiance? Thank you. Before we continue on with the meeting, I just wanted to make a quick statement. We have all read and heard about some recent comments at public meetings that include racist and anti-Semitic slurs. We see these efforts as an attack on the public agency's ability to conduct public meetings. We want you to know that we're aware and that we plan to continue to conduct the people's business to the best of our ability. We will comply with the First Amendment and the Brown Act while enforcing the limitations of both. As your Mayor, I want you to know that these comments do not represent any values of Capitola. Capitola is a place of inclusivity, diversity, and community. And we intend to keep it that way. And as our favorite city manager would say, happy Capitola. So thank you. That will bring us down to item two, additions and deletions. Great. And we have a few presentations this evening. Item three. The first one this evening is going to be presented by me. It is a Mayor's Proclamation for George Whitman. Okay, excuse me while I get all this lingo. So today we gather to remember and honor a beloved member of our Capitola community. Mr. George Whitman, who passed away on August 5th, 2023, was first visited, had first visited California or Capitola in 1948, eventually marrying his wife, Cheryl, at the Boathouse restaurant on the Esplanade in 1981. Congratulations and purchasing a home in Capitola in 1983. George dedicated 38 years of his life to health and physical education at local schools and participated and directed in many regional foot races, such as the Warf to Warf race. Even in retirement, George remained active in his community, volunteering his time at New Brighton Middle School, and since 2013 at the Capitola Historical Museum, where he delighted visitors with his extensive knowledge and personal travel stories. George and Cheryl embraced the sense of community in Capitola and loved to participate and attend Capitola's events, including the Art and Wine Festival, the Bagonia Festival, the Car Show, and the Halloween Parade, the summer music and dance nights as well. George's warm presence, passion for life, and dedication to the Capitola community have left an incredible mark on all of those who had the privilege of knowing him. I, Margo Kaiser, the Mayor of the City of Capitola, along with the City Council and the entire Capitola community, do proclaim a heartfelt gratitude for George's unwavering commitment to our town and express condolences to his family and friends. If you'd like to come up and get this year, more than welcome to. If anybody of the family wants to say anything, you're welcome to as well. Okay. Yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah, we do too. Yeah. Thank you so much. All right. And we are now having a presentation on our Junior Guard Participant Recognition Awards. Good evening, Mayor and Council. This year, we had the pleasure of impacting just over a thousand children, ranging from six to 18 years old, having our main goal to give a progressive outlook for children to learn and grow within our ocean going community. We achieved this in a couple of ways, more specifically, through personal and professional development, physical training, competition, ocean safety, and emergency preparation. Personal development comes in the form of recognizing one's own physical and mental boundaries, pushing past those boundaries to achieve higher goals than previously conceived. One of the biggest things we teach is confidence, confidence in your physical abilities, social abilities, and bringing that notion into your everyday life. Physical training is often utilized to find those boundaries and give a practical, sorry, a practical bounce of getting stronger, faster, and more physically adept for life's obstacles. That combined with skills practice allows for participants become well versed within the ocean going community. Competition is then utilized as an outlet for the competitive spirit to foster and align lifeguards and junior guards to test their skills on a local, regional, national, and international level. Arboring rich lifeguard culture and pushing our physical boundaries. Debatably, the most important thing that we teach is ocean safety. Being aware of hazards, conditions, and how to enjoy the ocean to the fullest extent and in a safe manner. This allows our junior guards to grow in our program and ensure their safety with it. It also allows for our community as a whole to be positively affected and allows knowledge to spread through our town and how we operate in what can often be treacherous waters. Lastly, we teach a wide array of emergency preparation. Our junior guards are taught, recognition of those in need, appropriate forms of action. And one thing that's important to note is that not all of our guards will become police officers, firefighters, but all of our junior guards will become members of our community. And what our program so greatly teaches is that how to act appropriately and we can prepare them to face everyday dangers and situations with a level head, calm, rational thinking, a leaving panic which so often makes situations worse. You can do the next slide. So each session we give out four division wide awards. These include the best sport, most improved team captain and best all around. Each of these awards are self-explanatory but are all earned within their respected age division and sought after by all the participants within it. You can do the next slide as well. As you can see, we have a wide range of age groups and each of them have really put in their best effort to get these awards into our last slide or second to last slide. And then each slide or sorry, the last thing on our agenda is our beach wide awards. These awards are given out once to twice a year to participants highlighting their presence on the beach. Junior guards compete for these awards across the entire beach regardless of age divisions. This includes the Iron Man and Iron Woman, which is given to top competitors and athletes who push themselves and others to compete at the highest level. The final award we give out is the Dory Award. If you don't know who Dory is, I strongly recommend that you do some research on who she is. She has impacted this community and Captola to the full extent and truly embodies tenacity and selflessness. For some context, she was running a newly founded program in the 1980s while being eight months pregnant. So with that, I would like to invite up our Iron Man and Iron Woman, Maria Tellevara and Xander Brown for a photo up with a mayor and council. And lastly, I would like to invite up our Dory Award recipient Radley Schwarz for a photo and certificate of recognition from our mayor. Good evening, mayor and council members. I just want to just take a minute to recognize that these individuals that we recognize here in chambers, as Brennan had talked about, these are the individuals for us to keep an eye on in our community. Most often the individuals that achieve these awards become Capitola staff at some point. So thank you. We'll be lucky if that happens. So congratulations, you guys. Thank you so much. Any other words from council? Or they come and actually take our spots up here as future council members. So don't hesitate to fill out our mayor of the day competition that we have going up, going on here. While you're out of the water, you can take some time to write that essay. Congratulations. Thank you. Okay, we have another presentation this evening. It is from Visit Santa Cruz. I might need to be turned on. Thank you so much for having me. My name is Terrence Cancannon and I'm starting my second month as the chief executive officer for Visit Santa Cruz County. Can't tell you how excited I am to be here. So I know I only have eight minutes and what I have is about 17 slides. So I might talk a little bit fast. But this slide right here just lets you know who I am. I have over 24 years of experience in tourism and hospitality. It was a former hotelier down in the Pismo Beach in San Luis Obispo County area and then went and became president for Go Lake Cavosoo and Lake Cavosoo City for six years where I got an amazing education and now I'm back here on the Central Coast. Could not be happier and not just because it's not 119 here like it is in Lake Cavosoo City. Really happy to be back in this community. So I want to let you know that we're going to have a fresh look at Visit Santa Cruz County. I can't read the notes I have up there but I do know that I'm going to engage with each. Oh wonderful, thank you. Now we're talking. I just want to let you know that I plan to, I'm huge on engagement. In fact at my board meeting yesterday I gave a list of all the people that I've had the pleasure of interacting with in one month and I think it's something like 87 people and I can count now you guys among those. So I want to let you know that I am very much engaged in this community. I want to engage with you, with the community, with the stakeholders. I want to engage with you in this improvement district and our commitment of Visit Santa Cruz County is to elevate and to enhance and to celebrate everything we have in this county and to communicate it to everybody throughout the world that wants to experience outdoor adventure and everything that's great about California you can find in this county and we intend to educate everyone about what we have and furthermore one of my personal things is to improve the quality of life for the residents here. I truly believe that even though I run a destination management organization for the county, my number one customer and the number one customer of my coworkers are the residents of this community. So what you'll find is everything we do will help to increase, we'll seek to improve the quality of life for our residents and also give a new outlook to those who want to come visit our community. So with that I want to work with the chamber to educate and promote people about the capitol and the area, celebrate the wonderful assets of capitol that we have that bring people to our community. I'd like to provide you guys with regular updates as often as you need and again engage with the community, with the stakeholders and with the capitol village and more business improvement district. So before I leave I know I've only got a couple of minutes but I did want to show you some of our most recent content. This particular one is a stroll through capitol village as you can see the capitol village is pretty, it's pretty hellacious. This ad was shared in two in an A and B version and received over 4,000 link clicks, 3,000 likes, 302 comments and reached over 183,000 accounts. And look at those pictures and I'll talk about our photography in just a bit. Here's another one, Facebook add and post for the capitol art and wine festival. Most of my staff went. I was not able because I was out of town but it sounds like a fantastic event. So I'm going to show you a little bit of what I'm going to show you. I'm going to share so people would be aware of it and could attend and if you can see there over almost over 2,700 link clicks which sparked 76 comments and 261 shares and that's major. Facebook add and post again, 2023 free summer concert movies and the Twilight concerts led the way for this particular post. Warf Love, we love our warf. We love our party. It's first time we've seen a ground baking and that didn't have shovels it had golden crowbars that was amazing. I wish I had gotten there earlier because maybe I would've gotten a golden crowbar. I'll hit them up for one later on. But these are again, some amazing photographs. I want to show you the one on the right there. We do scenic photos and information or in some ways things they may need to be aware of in order to get around and to get around the county freely and as easily as possible. Another one, another Facebook ad and social post with Capitola as the hero image and you'll see these photos quite quite often. This one was Dainal Fresco with the top patios in Santa Cruz County and the other one was another Capitola Village hero shot which we often use because it's such an iconic photo of our county. And we also do a blog our Visit Santa Cruz County blog is a great source of information for our visitors and for our residents as well and some of the block stories that we've done include dining with world-class views again the summer movies and concerts Dainal Fresco and a stroll through the Capitola Village. Other notable Capitola features we also did the classic car show and we featured again the Art and Wine Festival. I did want to bring up two of our photographers Ben Ingram is one of them he's always taking photographs for us his eye is amazing I say that because I have a master's degree in photography which means nothing except that I can say that somebody has a great eye and actually mean it. This particular photo I can't see the numbers right here but they're stellar and I didn't put them up there for you guys but we have been down here in this area all the time taking photos either on the ground or in the air with this drone. And here's another one this one was by Liz Bernbaum so Liz and Ben are two photographers we have in retainer I also want to let you know that all of my staff members do contribute photography especially Jen Day who is phenomenal at summer for photographs I particularly like this one simply because of the seal. So I just want to let you guys know that how happy I am to be here how much I care about each and every community in this county as well as the census designated areas and the county itself I do live in Santa Cruz County I did purchase a condo there but I'm here to tell you that Santa Cruz means no more to me than this town then no more to me than Scotts Valley no more to me than Watsonville. This county is one of the most amazing destinations for anyone that wants to experience the wonder and the fun and the adventure of California we have so much to offer and it is my absolute pleasure to bring that to people throughout the world with the results we will be bringing you will be all of them will be experiential we will innovate everything we do will be equitable meaning that it will be easily divided among the communities among the county among our businesses everything we attempt will be achievable or there's no point in achieving it attempting it and because we our business is to bring business community everything we do will have a component that faces revenue. So that's it I just want to come and introduce myself if you guys ever need anything from me anytime I'm at your beck and call I believe in capitol I believe in Santa Cruz County and I believe in you guys doing the best job you can to to make this community the best again I've had wonderful conversations with sage city manager Goldstein and I know that everything you guys do is for the benefit of your community and for the benefit of our county so thank you very much for having me. Thank you so much for representing us and our wonderful city. Okay we do have one more presentation this evening it is on one of our grant reports from the National Alliance on mental illness. Is it on no you're good. Yeah. Okay all right. Good evening mayor and council members thank you so much for having me here tonight. I am representing NAMI Santa Cruz County the National Alliance on mental illness Santa Cruz County and I am the development director for NAMI. I wanted to start tonight by talking a little bit about why we're here and why we've partnered on this important work which is that even before the pandemic mental health conditions were on the rise one in five adults currently lives with a mental health condition every year and that number is one in six for youth and tragically suicide has now become the leading second leading excuse me cause of death for young people you can see on the slide 10 to 34. So you know we went into this phase of COVID and things were already trending in the wrong direction and things got a little more difficult as you can see isolation fear grief loss skyrocketed anxiety depression and many people that were already struggling had a much more difficult time. What we're seeing is that the rates for youth seem to be a little closer to one in four now young people are struggling with a mental health condition and recently the CDC released this data that 57% of teen girls and 70 70% for our queer youth are struggling and reporting prolonged periods of sadness depression and hopelessness and that's that's it that's the current state of things and we believe that the numbers locally are in line you know with the national trends. So that's kind of our why and I wanted to talk a little bit about what your important partnership with NAMI is helping to do for families in this community. So NAMI has a very unique function in our community and that we we don't provide therapy or counseling directly or psychiatric services. What we do is we create a web of support for families and this looks like education educating youth and adults about mental illness signs and symptoms and what to do like what to do if you think something's wrong you know where do you go who do you talk to when you think that something could be wrong a lot of a lot of parents don't know what is teen angst and what is signs of something more serious so we really help to bridge that information gap. We work to reduce stigma in the community and this looks like tabling this looks like community presentations so that people feel comfortable asking for help when they need it. We connect people to resources we have a helpline in English and one in Spanish and these helplines are staffed by very highly trained NAMI volunteers and staff members and they connect people to resources people called looking for help like I said maybe they don't know where to go for support and they they reach a compassionate person on the other line who is a peer meaning they have been through this either themselves or supporting a family member so we connect people to resources and the last thing that we do is we support people we support individuals and families our compassionate support groups provide a really unique and safe space for people to come and you know maybe in between therapy sessions maybe you you don't get more than one session a month with your insurance or don't have insurance at all so these these support groups are a really special and unique place to find compassionate support from your peers. So last fiscal year Countywide NAMI served 13,000 plus it's actually closer to 13.5 and that was through a variety of programs our presentations for schools which I'll talk about a little bit more in a minute for law enforcement we partnered with the sheriffs to provide a CIT crisis intervention training and presentations for the community at large which happened right now on Zoom so they're very accessible for all the different communities within the County and I mentioned the support groups that we have we have support groups for parents support groups for peers meaning people with a mental condition and support groups also for people supporting an adult loved one with a mental health condition. We also have classes and we let's see I've got to look at my notes here we had four five six seven eight nine classes which were in our grant and these were classes in English and Spanish for parents and for family members and these are six weeks six week courses so each class is a six-week session and they're they're very in-depth and they have a lot of wonderful material we also have classes for providers mental health providers and other people that serve youth mostly but also just serve mental health needs in our community so Countywide we served last fiscal year 6,177 family members somebody supporting a family member over 18 with a mental health condition and 5,796 youth parents school staff that's teachers and administrative staff and youth supporting adults at other organizations such as PVPSA or Encompass places like that Boys and Girls Club. I wanted to talk a little bit about ending the silence this is our our presentation program for youth in schools and this is one thing that your partnership funded and I have a little bit of information about the impact that that had just so you can see a slice of what your support did for teens at Soquel High so 300 teens at Soquel High participated in this presentation and it's a conversation it's a it's a presentation about mental health mental illness signs and symptoms like I said where when to seek help and and where to turn for that help and it's really reduces stigma and normalizes conversations about mental illness for youth and also 78 more than 78 students also participated in a mental health school-wide mental health event at our booth participated in learning about resources learning about mental health oh can you go back one thing I wanted to show is that as a result of ending the silence this presentation we pull our students we survey them and we want to get a feeling for whether the material is hitting home and as a result of the presentation 89% of these students say they feel more knowledgeable about the signs of mental health conditions and 87% of them understand because of the presentation how to seek help that's pretty powerful this is a slide showing our help lines I like to end with this because these are the gateway to NAMI services and this is really this is really what I would like everyone to remember after this is that this is really the gateway to getting help no matter what you're struggling with what your what your what your family may be dealing with if you have mental health concerns and you're not sure where to go next call these lines okay and I wanted to end with this quote from a mother who participates in our support group for parents of youth she says I have never felt so heard and understood in this journey of parenting a child who struggles so greatly with mental illness it feels incredibly supportive and safe and thank you and if you have any questions for me I'd be happy to take those thank you great presentation any questions I just want to say thank you for the work that you're doing and I was noticing too just on just looking at the help lines the fact that it's an A3 one number like not seeing like some call toll free like it's an actual landline of a local place to help I think just kind of speaks volumes to how involved you are here you know and so thank you and I'm glad that the grants have helped you guys out we're so grateful for your support and it really is making a difference in the community so thank you thank you okay that's it for presentations this evening report on closed session no closed session thank you any additional materials staff included the presentations from tonight's meeting in the agenda packet but no additional materials were distributed great thank you okay we'll move to item six which is oral communications by members of the public these are on any consent items or anything not on tonight's agenda you will be limited to three minutes is there anybody in house that wishes to speak hi my name is one club which I live here in the county not too far away from here I have something on my mind that I think somebody is living by 41st Avenue by the McDonald's area and CVS pharmacy there is always garbage being dumped and I wrote to the director of public works already that it's not the responsibility of the taxpayers to clean this mess up it should be the two companies taking care of that that the garbage is being removed something else that is on my mind is there are always gang signs or graffiti signs in the jade street park where I shoot baskets play basketball and there also little children play and I don't think it's really safe to to be allowing that and I also want to remind something that happened in 2020 I lost a dear friend his name was Damon Goose Wheeler he was a officer he lost his life on duty I knew him personally I met him four times and he had to respond to some calls at Willowbrook Park for some things that happened thank you very much for listening have a great day God bless you all thank you first of all I want to thank the mayor and the council for is that better for the proclamation and acknowledgment of my husband George and I both love capitol and I wanted to say that I've been watching the Wharf restoration I'm very excited about it and I've been in touch with the committee about all of the wonderful changes that we're going to be seeing and my mental image was I wanted to donate a bench in George's honor to the wharf and when it's rebuilt but then I was told that actually with all the wonderful things that are being done that the benches are up to the city council and that the city council as I heard I had so many applications that they sort of stop taking applications after a time and that at this time that I might ask for it to be put on an agenda to reconsider if that's possible it I loved the fact that in in the city in our pink bricks people put their names on the bricks and their acknowledgments and people just love that and the idea of having benches new benches on our beautiful new wharf in 2024 it seemed like a wonderful thing and so I just wanted to ask for it to be added to the agenda to consider something like that opening it up whether it has to be brought up with the public or however it's done so that's all but anyway thank you very much for this very appreciated thank you hi good evening mayor Kaiser and council and city manager Goldstein and staff my name is Leslie Nielsen I've been a resident of Capitola on and off for my whole life and I just want to thank you tonight for your grant to the NAMI organization they came into my life five years ago when a very unexpected turn of events happened with my family I'd never heard of them before and without NAMI I wouldn't be where I am today and it's just a beautiful organization after I took one of their classes I got certified to teach for them and I've been teaching some of the classes that Danu talked about today for five years and I really just want to thank you for your advocacy your funding your partnership the impact we've had on these kids and I'm the lead presenter for the Ending the Silence program is remarkable and I see it on the front line every day I was just talking to fifth and sixth graders in Watsonville yesterday and I'll be doing the Soquel High School shtick again with the with the freshman in November so thank you very much for prioritizing something so important to our community it really is making a difference great to hear it thanks for your work as well any other people in house seeing none do we have anybody on zoom there are no hands raised on zoom there great thank you okay we'll take it back to any staff comments did have just a quick comment I want to let the community know that starting next week we're gonna start driving piles so you will start to hear the noise I think everyone should be ready for that the public works director is working with the contractor to try to work on a bit of a schedule around the noise so that maybe one of having certain days when we're doing pile driving and other days when we're not to give people a little bit of a break but we haven't finalized those details yet but it's when everyone be ready for next week it's gonna be gonna be a lot of work going on thank you okay so I have a couple comments this evening first I wanted to speak to the mayor's proclamation for George George was a friend and a neighbor my husband and I moved into Capitola village about six years ago and George was always very kind and thoughtful and warm and he would drop off he would finish reading his sports illustrated magazines and then drop them off at the door for for my husband or the sports section of the paper he was always smiling he was just immensely thoughtful and kind and he was incredibly beloved by me and Julie and Justin and the rest of the neighbors in the building and just truly beloved by all who knew him and he will be dearly missed I wanted to share with the community generally as the vice chair of Metro the transit district that we had a historic purchase agreement that we signed last week for 57 hydrogen fuel cell zero emission buses it is the largest hydrogen bus fleet in the nation or it will be once they they come in we decide the contract for it so that's really exciting and of course with considerations of what's gonna happen at our Capitola mall and us having a transit station there now I think it's gonna be really exciting in the future to see the zero emission hydrogen fuel cell buses coming into Capitola and taking people where they need to go without any tailpipes or greenhouse gas emissions and then two questions for staff the first is I'd like to make a request for a future agenda item for the council to consider a resolution declaring tobacco waste as a public and environmental health hazard and then also if we could speak to the question that was brought up at public comment about the bench plaques and if we are if we have a process for accepting that if we're not accepting that if there's a vacancy how what's going on there thank you mayor I count some member brown so the benches are one of the most popular forms of memorial that the city has and currently all the benches are full so we do get routine requests from people who are always asking about getting benches benches on the wharf or full op you'll recall that we made the decision to put the plaques back where they were before the storm so we're not gonna have any vacancies right now on the wharf but we do have a process by which people can be informed and then if we do get a vacancy we can let folks know we figured out a process I think it's a lottery or something to select who would get next opportunity at a bench I will let the community know that the C-web project is accepting fundraising donations and on the fundraising donations there is the opportunity to have donor acknowledgement on a donor wall as well as there are opportunities for memorial benches on the cliff-drive railing I think those are still still available so there are some opportunities there available unfortunately at this point the benches which are one of the most popular items are full up thank you I'd like to do a shout out or a couple shout outs last night there was a great event by C-web I just thought we should shout out to Britannia Arms for Sydney and Andy for job great done and Jerry Jensen I heard we raised over twenty three thousand dollars so that's that'll go good good project thanks everybody yes I will jump off of that as well this weekend was pretty full for us for Capitola starting Friday with the groundbreaking of the wharf and having Jimmy Panetta come and having all of council there and staff was just really fulfilling and I think it's kind of lightning the mood in Capitola after all that we've been through this winter also yes thank you C-web and the Britannia Arms last night was the final fundraiser between a raffle that went on from C-web and then dinners that were donated and then fifty percent of the proceeds that were made at Britannia Arms throughout the entire day yesterday we were able to get yes twenty three thousand two hundred and seventy five dollars so that is epic and that's all going to the wharf project so can't wait to see you what we can do with all that so thank you Jerry and C-web and the Brit alright any other comments or anything okay we can go move on to consent all items listed as consent items will be enacted in one motion in the form listed below unless anybody wants to pull an item I'll move approval of consent I'll second great we have a first and a second maybe we have a roll call please Councilmember Brooks hi Councilmember Clark hi Councilmember Peterson hi vice mayor Brown hi and mayor Kaiser hi great passes unanimously we will move on to item nine which is our general government we have item nine a this is the universally accessible playground at Jade Street Park naming the recommended action is to select a playground name for this you a playground and here's Chloe thank you mayor and Council this is kind of a fun item that you may have been expecting as you know back in June let our clerk remind me exactly perfect so in June you reviewed the conceptual playground design for a universally accessible playground at Jade Street Park you'll notice I'm stumbling a little bit because that's not a super fun name for a playground so that's why we're here you also approved enough the idea and an official partnership with the Friends of Santa Cruz County Parks they will be running and are currently running a fundraising campaign to raise money towards the playground so we're very appreciative of that at that time you also did kind of review and approve the their idea which was to kind of crowdsource for that playground name by asking for community submissions and then there would be a friends-run committee selecting the top three bringing those here for you to choose from this evening and then in later in July you approved the final conceptual design and an administrative policy which outlined sponsorship opportunities at the playground so that brings us here are some images just to kind of remind you of part of that conceptual design is a marine ocean shoreline theme that'll come into play here in a minute and again it is really designed to be universally accessible so all children can play together so between June 9th and August 30th the community submitted 70 name ideas to the friends so people are excited about this project and so am I there was a six person committee led by the friends that did review all name submissions all 70 were reviewed using this criteria so there were kind of three different pieces that were important that the name fit into so markability distinction is the name easy to say is this something that the friends are going to be able to use to raise money for the playground so that was the first criteria secondly is this name significant to Capitola to our community to the history of our community does it resonate with Capitola and third is there any kind of alignment with that ocean theme those three criteria were determined so with that being said after much thought unanimously the committee came to these top three choices and keep in mind these will all fit before you know at Jade Street Park so it's a longer name so we want we want you to think about that so the top three here jewel box playground at Jade Street Park lighthouse landing at Jade Street Park or treasure Cove at Jade Street Park and really we don't even need to see the recommendation slide because it's just a pick one and you might want to see them as you talk so I can answer any questions thank you so much thanks Chloe do you have any questions I have a brief question what if a major donor came and wanted a certain name for that could we still be open for that yes so for example if I were to donate two million dollars it would be Chloe's treasure Cove at Jade Street Park that would be fine so you can still pick one that would take it on bows yes I know I wish I could okay oh public public comment hi sorry any public comment on this item seeing none is there anybody online there are no hands raised okay we can come back to counsel if anybody wants to throw out an option or what we're thinking what's what rolls off the tongue I like the first one double J's I like treasure Cove okay the battle of the ends here weird I know you know I could give some I can give some insight you know the there was like Chloe said there was a committee they they really went through this and some of the committee members had you know previously when they worked on Leo's Haven had really tried to build consensus around naming this park and so they use some of the same tools so I really resonate with treasure Cove because of the jeweled streets in the area and when I think about that like that park being surrounded by Jewel Street and Emerald Street and what I was gonna say Garnett Street and all of those I think about a treasure box and that's really what that project makes me think of it's such a treasure to Capitola and then I believe Cove bounces off of the mobile home park next door right doesn't have a cove name there was some sort of cove there was a reason behind it that may be true I think the idea with Cove is also just kind of an ocean oh see I made that up in my brain okay so anyways I like treasure Cove for that reason and for those listening with the two million dollars it could be your name and treasure Cove at Jade Street Park and I also like that we're keeping at Jade Street Park I know that was really important to the community that we're all forever gonna know that as Jade Street but to have a name I think of like a treasure box you know emblem or something like that anyways that's those are my thoughts sorry Joe I like treasure Cove oh yeah I was kind of with Joe on this but I I'm into the treasure Cove too I think it's about Jewel box treasures at Jade Street Park that gets to be a lot oh no anybody else have any other ones they want to throw out I would just add that the group met right we had a committee that's what Chloe's like I need Matt's tone to this test several times so I'd make a motion to adopt treasure Cove at Jade Street Park I'll second great a motion in a second maybe have a roll call please Councilmember Brooks hi Councilmember Clark hi my spirit proud I and Mayor Kaiser I thank you that fastest unanimously as well thank you very much thanks Chloe good work now we got to come up with a logo huh all right oh good all right we're at 9b this is the Bay Avenue and Hill Street traffic safety Director Khan is here for us so apologies this is going to be way way less fun very important so stop at originally this item Bay Hill intersection was one of the council goals to address in the fiscal year 23 24 budget there was $50,000 allocated to it staff had started preparing this report for presentation leader in the fiscal year but there has recently been a few collisions including a pedestrian collision with injuries in this intersection so we are bringing us forward this evening so this is the intersection in question this is Bay which is running up and down your screen and then a hill and then the intersection with the not Hill shopping center this is a minor arterial street that intersects with the residential street and then the shopping center the average daily traffic on this the on the Bay Street or Bay Avenue is about 10,000 per day and there's nine approaches to this intersection so three on each side of bay two coming from the shopping center and one coming from Hill Street next side please so we collected accident data from November 2017 through August of 2023 there were multiple mostly two vehicle collisions in this intersection however there were three pedestrian collisions all with injuries one in 2017 one in 2020 and one most recently in August of 2023 next slide please so this is just to give you kind of a frame or reference of pedestrian accidents with vehicles city-wide so this is a heat map this as data all the way back to 2012 there is approximately 38 pedestrian crashes since that time from 2012 to 2023 three in the bay Hill intersection so obviously most of the pedestrian collisions happened there down kind of in the village but this is another hotspot for us in the city next slide please so the valuation criteria we did for our options for this intersection consisted of level of service level of service is a quantity a qualitative term that goes from level a to f a being the best f being the worst and it's based on roadway factors such as speed travel time delay and safety so it's not just a one criteria way of evaluating an intersection currently this intersection is at level service see so right there in the middle the acceptable level of service per our general plan in this intersection is level service D the second evaluation criteria is queuing so that's the space needed to stack waiting cars both in travel and through lanes so basically how far you're going to be backed up in the intersection and how that affects the traffic behind in intersections behind you and then the third criteria was bicycle and pedestrian safety which is most impacted by visibility how vehicles see pedestrians and bicyclists and crosswalks and then also crossing distance the length that it takes you to get across the street and how long you are exposed to traffic next slide please so we came up with four alternatives one being always stop control which is the current situation in the intersection signal control which I think is self-explanatory around about and then a road diet so I'm going to go over each one of those and the pros and cons of each scenario a next slide please so a signal control I think is pretty self-explanatory signal control in this intersection most appropriately overhead signals those are considered the safest type of signals and especially considering this is already an always stop controlled intersection putting just the site signals on there wouldn't really be recommended this provides a for drivers certainty and when they're supposed to go and when they're supposed to stop and also for pedestrian and bicycles when the time is to go and stop so it decreases the level of uncertainty in drivers in the center section next slide so like I said the pros would be reducing driver uncertainty providing designated crossing times the cons would be a high capital and maintenance cost a new intersection signal fully signalized is about $450,000 and takes about $5,000 a year to maintain typically when you go to something that signalized it is really it gets you to an increased accident rate because people are trying to beat the lights people are trying to merge quickly so often it ends up having more collisions than less they are not pretty so aesthetics is definitely a con for this one and then also increased idle time so in the staff report the level of service is improved but that like I said level service has many considerations it has safety it has idle time it has delay maneuverability so while you would get more cars for example going at once through through bay you would be waiting a long time on hill so you have increased idle time you'd be sitting there longer waiting for all the bay traffic to go through which is also not great for greenhouse gas emissions next slide please the second consideration was around about so around about would constrict all the lanes instead of having three approaches you would have one from each end of the intersection it would also include medians there so the crossing distance would be shortened overall but also broken into two so pedestrians would only be crossing one direction of traffic at a time next slide please so just in case you're not familiar with around about it goes in a counterclockwise fashion you have one entry point that have all yields the rate of the curvature makes it so close cars can really only go about 25 miles an hour so it definitely slows traffic flow as compared to a signalized intersection it also they're often designed as would be designed in this intersection with kind of a truck apron so it gives the ability for larger vehicles such as giving deliveries to a shopping center or a fire truck the ability to kind of roll over the center island so it wouldn't slow down response times and also allow for maneuverability next slide please one major consideration with around about is it really reduces conflict points so for example a conflict point is really anywhere where there can be a collision either vehicle to vehicle or vehicle to pedestrian or bicycle so in this example car one and car two have this collision point where both of them are trying to go through the intersection next slide please if you extrapolate that to all of the turn mechanisms there's about 40 different spots to have a crash in this intersection and this actually is missing a lane on the base side because there's three lanes across so there's 40 plus places for two vehicles to collide there's also 26 pedestrian conflicts which aren't shown on the slide because then it just gets really messy next slide please in contrast around about greatly reduces conflict points so on the schematic the vehicle conflict points are in red they're within the circle and then merging to get in the circle and then the pedestrian conflict points are in those two points where you would be exposed to traffic so it reduces them from 40 vehicle and 26 pedestrian to eight of each from a four-way stop to around about in this intersection so the pros as I said would be the reduction in conflict points the short and crossing distances for Testrians it would be the most important level of service of all of our options here and reduce greenhouse gas emissions because idling would be really minimized the cons are obviously a high initial capital cost about $450,000 for this initially as well and then driver uncertainty because there aren't a whole lot of roundabouts in our community there would need to be quite a bit of education and outreach and definitely would be uncertainty in the initial rollout of this concept next slide please so our last consideration for the evening is a road diet so it might be kind of hard to make out here but basically we're reducing the lanes from three lanes on Bay Hill to two and so it's condensing the right through lane into one right through lane so and then also providing bulb outs so it reduces the crossing distance next slide please so the way there's several ways to put out something like a road diet one option is called a quick build so in this slide here we have a current situation a quick build situation which is where you use lower cost materials such as paint and ballers and planters to delineate where cars should be it's nice because it can be rolled out quickly and it can also be used as a trial run and it's also very adjustable and then you could go to the permanent solution with your curb extensions and your raised intersection which has a higher capital cost approximately $200,000 in this instance after you evaluate the effectiveness of your interim quick build next slide please benefits of the road diet the bulb outs really slow turning turning speed you have a sharper turn there so it slows you down and it also gives a like I said before a shorter crossing distance for pedestrians next slide it also really helps visibility of pedestrians so there's a raised walkway that you see the concrete because it's pulled out and then next slide so we have our pros and cons here so it would improve our driver certainty because there are less lanes less maneuvers to consider when it's your turn in the intersection reduced vehicle speeds increased pedestrian visibility short and crossing distance the cons here and really the major con with this one is a decreased level of service and honestly would bring it down to a decreased level of service lower than what is an art general plan for this particular intersection so that would be the real difference to residents is that it would take you much longer to get through this intersection and then also have increased queuing so it would back up significantly more toward in both directions on the avenue next slide so this is a summary that's a truncated table of what was in the staff report but the ones that were the most significant green being improved red being not improved are made a worse situation for each of these categories just visually you can see that round about how's the most improved measures what the signal has the most reduced measures though in consideration of wanting to do something quickly to address the immediate issues staff is recommending as in the staff report the quick build road diet next slide please so just for a little bit of a visual road diet there's a few different ways to do a quick build so this one is very simple just one color paint some ballards couple planters next slide please there's also communities that get a little more artsy with it lack of a better word these are temporary installation so it's one thing to consider and it's also considering that you know people have been very used to this intersection for a long time and this type of bold prints really show that there's something different going on in this intersection next slide please so the staff recommendation for this in the short term is that we would go and talk to all of the adjacent property owners most of which are commercial and this are all of which are commercial in this intersection and complete public outreach on the road diet quick build and then evaluate the quick build from spring of 2024 to spring of 2026 two years two full seasons is a really good amount of time to evaluate if this is something that one works and then to that the public will accept long term the long term solution probably the best level of service and considering some of those other factors in previous slides would be around about we recognize that that might be something we can't roll out right away like I said public education outreach would be really important factor and putting around about anywhere in the city we would pursue funding these are really attractive projects for the air board for the RTC and their competitive grants so that's something that staff could do in the background and then summer 2026 would be a good good timeframe to aim to construct around about if council directs staff to do so so with that I'm happy to take any questions thank you have any questions I have a question about our roundabout it's going to be built how far are we out on that just down the street so that is with PG&E so we have an undergrounding district the rule 28 programs coming to an end and they are trying to spend that money relatively quickly so we are in conversations with all the utilities that need to be undergrounded for that so that best case scenario would be through PG&E I would say the next first quarter of next year and then if everything went to plan and the council wanted to fund the roundabout in that area we could have it constructed next summer I do like the idea of the roundabout however I'm concerned about the elderly that live in the area that cross there every day it might be a little a little more confusing for them or some of the other things and it might be a good idea to do the the other project so that when we do get around about we can see how well it works and then if we need to change further then we can go ahead and do that so I like that I'm curious why I'm think trying to get their name folks that did the study didn't look at something that was less excessive like a blinky stop sign with a smaller light beacon light beacon why did they go to such extreme so typically you only want one thing controlling the intersection so what's controlling the intersection right now is the stop sign when you put up something like a push activated blinky light that gives oh sorry go on yeah no not that but some stop signs just blink with so by solar hmm and or have you know they're run by solar so they just are more visible to to folks to stop oh sorry so just the stop sign not so that is something that we could do I will say a lot of the confusion in that intersection is from all of the lanes coming in that people don't know when to go also people trying to be each other in that merge as you're heading down this way on Bay Avenue so while that would definitely help with the visibility of the stop sign and that definitely is part of the problem people just not stopping period that wouldn't address all of the safety issues yeah and so I guess my the larger question is when you went to Kimberley Horn for the study we were looking at alleviating the the collisions not really focusing on bike and pedestrian safety I know I saw like a bike ramp and some other things but to your point earlier there would have to be a lot of community training and you know to really deal with that and I I thought that when council gave a direction to look at this we were it was due to the pedestrian bike safety issues not so many much of the collisions do you know if Kimberley can really horn address anything like that I saw the ramp and do they elaborate on some of those sure so both the road diet and the roundabout do address mostly pedestrian collision so it either reduces the crossing distance or only makes the pedestrian cross one direction of traffic flow at a time so both of those are what are called proven countermeasures with the MUT CD which they put a percentage of how much this affects people and how increased or decreased that collisions are and so both of those are proven countermeasures for pedestrian traffic for bicycle traffic I would say they're not as effective and then to councilmember Clark's point when looking at the entire lane we know that we have a one it's less lanes over by down bay so when Kimberly Horne looked at this did they just look at this intersection or did the assess the entire Bay Avenue traffic impact with and without the pretend possible roundabout down by gales so it did not include a roundabout down by gales so they did not consider that it did consider though the current way that this whole corridor works in the the change of number of lanes as you go up and down it so we would be reducing lanes well it's already a one lane down by gales already and this would essentially continue to be a one lane should we move with the roundabout we're losing lanes essentially on Bay Avenue in both situations so in the roundabout and in the road diet we'd be losing lanes correct those are all my questions thank you can I see the slide with the road diet again then while we're pulling that up if I'm understanding correctly the roundabout there would be no more stop signs in that intersection right so people coming out of the parking lot from knob hill and CVS you would just yield but you would just keep going no one would be stopping anymore yeah hopefully right okay okay I see so they're back Julia yep there you go so okay so the lane that we're losing is that there's no longer two lanes going straight through the intersection it becomes one lane going straight through the intersection and there's no more merge lane once you get through correct right the merge will be further back okay so then where's the so then that one lane once you get through the intersection you can either go straight or turn into the Riverview neighborhood because right now there are two lanes there and one turns into Riverview neighborhood and one goes straight so the straight right turn lane on both approaches would be a combined straight right lane and once you get through the intersection that essentially is the same thing that's just one do you know what I'm saying once you get through the intersection there's like a little median that divides that street for the people that are turning behind knob hill into the River Riverview neighborhood so yes that would be one lane all the way through going back towards the freeway would go back to two no not backwards the for you know what I'm talking about yeah so I think correct me if I'm wrong so we're talking about we were talking about that basically staying the way it is today as a bus turn out because there's a bus stop right there and then we wouldn't touch the right turn into center oh I'm sorry we're talking about further down the street yeah that makes sense yeah it's not on this it's not sorry I should have explained it's not on the screen what I'm actually talking about it's like a right off right off the edge over here yeah so effectively there would be sort of two lanes for a portion there but really be basically a bus turn out is what we would treat the initial portion and now there's only one straight away lane there isn't two with that rush to try to merge on the other side okay I think that's all my questions for now it's still two two lanes off the freeway right and then from it merges and one right there where the car wash is correct I just want to make sure I'm understanding you just have to pick a side like either you're turning or going turning left or going straight or but it looks like it becomes one lane over like where it says keep clear it looks like it's two lanes before that and then when it says keep clear it turns into one lane and that splits again into two and you're either going straight and right or you're going left am I understanding that correctly because it looks like a little bulb out in the middle yeah this is a conceptual design okay and so maybe to make it clear we would be coming back if council wants to proceed with this we'd like to meet with the property owners who are adjacent to this intersection and work on some of the details I mean I think there's still a question Jessica and I have been debating about whether or not it's better to have a the left turn there as you're heading south on Bay Avenue from the freeway towards the village right now it's a left turn lane you can see there or if it would be better to have a right turn lane into the center and then a straight lane that's both straight and left you can have a right turn only at the bar wash to alleviate that yeah there's a couple of different options around there and so I think focusing too much on the overall exact geometry of how we'd be narrowing down I think we would want to have more input and then ultimately when the traffic engineers and then bring something back to the council okay but I think one other detail that could be worth at least putting into the hopper to think a little bit about is when we get the roundabout down at bay at bath if we do that project I suspect that a lot of the issues that we see there will move to here because you know Jessica and I have spent a fair bit of time just sort of watching this intersection and one of the things we've really noticed is that the traffic from in front of gales is so metered by that intersection and only about like one car comes down bay avenue towards the freeway like every 10 seconds six seconds so the volume I think of traffic that's going to be able to move through the gales intersection with a roundabout would be quicker which is great for the delay there but then it would hit here and so we're just not sure whether or not in the long term the road diet actually would hold up if we were to do the roundabout so that's kind of thinking about the short-term and the long-term strategy in that context that helped. So the quick build road diet that's what's being recommended by staff right as a temporary basis right or to the roundabout? Correct and do we have a cost estimate on that? That would be about approximately $50,000 which is budgeted in the current fiscal year. Great any public comments on this item? Good evening council members I'm Doug Lay and I'm here representing Red Tree Parkers which is the owner of the Nob Hill Shopping Center and the property next to the freeway so we have number one I think it's great that you're considering making changes to this intersection I get scared every time I get there myself because there's all this confusion about who's going what direction and who got who got there first and who should go so I think it's terrific and we appreciate your you're making that effort. I think the conversation that you had amongst yourselves asking questions raised some very important issues and in our experience my experience with traffic is that you can't look at things in isolation so for example our property there are three different entrances on that side of coming from the freeway up to the shopping center there are streets on the other side particularly crossroads you've started talking about what's going to happen up here by Gales you need to look at all of this together and I think going ahead with a short-term solution to make it safer is great but I also think it's very important to look at the entire picture because what you do at that intersection is going to affect crossroads it's going to affect the entrance into the senior center it's going to affect what's happens up here what you do with if there's something that happens by Gales is going to affect that intersection at hill and the traffic engineers are great at this they just have to take the time and really run the scenarios and I would encourage you to take the time and involve the community in doing that and we would and welcome participation in that process thanks a lot you have any questions I'm happy to answer them but I probably won't have any answers thank you anybody else in house not seeing any is there anybody online we have one speaker with their hand raised Mayor Janet Edwards you've been allowed to speak if you can unmute yourself you'll have three minutes Janet once you start talking we'll go ahead and start the timer but we can't hear you at the moment it seems like there might be a technical difficulty because she hasn't muted herself but we're not hearing her okay maybe we could circle back in a couple of minutes yes or is there anybody else sorry there's no other speakers with their hands raised yeah Janet if you want to try again and then we can go to any other questions from council or comments sounds like Janet um so i'm a i'm a little concerned with the roundabout at at the place that it's being proposed right now the speed of the people coming off the freeway and down bay is not the speed that the people will be at when they're coming out of a parking lot and so while there is a kind of a yield I feel like there's going to be still a difference in how fast people are coming around around about when they're coming down bay from the freeway and those who are coming out of a parking lot I feel like you need more acceleration time to get up to the speed that the people of going around the the roundabout on bay and this is based on my entirely non-technical skills as a traffic engineer but that's one of my concerns I also agree I think in front of gales is a good place to have a roundabout and I'm glad we're moving forward with that but I agree that we need to look at this larger picture of what that roundabout means when we're looking from the avenue exit from the freeway all the way down to where it intersects with Monterey so those are my concerns with the roundabout I'm I'm okay with the quick build road diet I like the idea of the colorful road paint I would want to see some council members on some kind of committee or in meetings with the engineers to determine some of the parameters of the actual road diet only because I I'm concerned that there will be a report that comes back to us with some options like we just saw and then if we're not happy with all three of them the answer will essentially be well it's more money and more time if you want us to look at more options whereas if we had council members in there to begin with maybe some of the things that council members would consider would be part of the discussion and then again this being kind of a temporary measure I I'm not fully prepared to say let's move into phase you know let's approve phase two where we will go to this roundabout I am prepared to say let's do quick build road diet let's see how it turns out in the meantime I really think we should study the full length of the avenue rather than moving straight into a roundabout that will phase into another roundabout thank you we're going to jump over to Janet sounds like William's working thank you I got it um I am concerned about um looking at just the the other part just the the intersection like the gentleman was saying because I often come from the post office and can't get back towards the freeway because people are coming so fast my other concern is um temporary things for um the crosswalks are difficult for people who are blind because they use more than just painted streets they use parts of the curb and bulb arts bulb outs are difficult because they also use the sound of the traffic to know when to go so keep that in mind and I am on the elderly and disabled transportation advisory committee and I hope that you will bring this to the committee that's all I have thank you thank you Janet glad that worked and nobody else online there are no other speakers mayor man do we have any other comments on this I have comments yeah go for it thanks thanks um I would just say I mean looking at these comparison charts supplied by staff who are the experts on this subject uh it seems very clear that the roundabout is the way to go if you compare it to the signal or the road diet and I would just um defer to the experts on this subject so I'd be very prepared to move forward with that okay um so I would somewhat agree with that yes they are the experts however my concerns are that we're not addressing the bike safety issues that we see up and down bay avenue with the students going from high school to the middle school to the elementary school they're all on bikes and I'm concerned that the roundabout doesn't address that um in in a way that I'd like to see it we're already dealing with tons of kids on bikes and safety issues already that we we are trying to figure out how to manage and I don't see any of these addressing that similarly to the seniors we've received multiple emails about safety for our seniors from the bay avenue senior center crossing and I don't really see how any of these address that um and to our speaker's point there are multiple uh driveways that aren't being reviewed as well in in this study and so I'd like more input on that I think that all of the you know when we ask for the study at least for what I asked for the study I didn't envision something so excessive I really thought that we would find some sort of happy median in terms of um dealing with the collisions you shared that there were 16 collisions in the last seven years or so um but I'd like to know on an intersection like that across of that um you showed in capitola but is that average in other cities with that kind of um four-way stop um if that's kind of average for what it is what are some of the other remedies that are less less excessive I'm really concerned that we're not looking at the whole bay avenue corridor reducing lanes for me is a big problem especially when we have 10,000 people coming into town for huge events like our our in cultural over one weekend and trying to get in and out um I'm thinking about our garbage trucks going up and down that bay avenue road how does that impact them with less roads um so I'd like to see a longer term plan that's cohesive for the entire bay avenue stretch not so much just this and I know we want to address it but I'm just deeply concerned that we're just looking at we only ask him or to look at that four-way stop which makes sense because that's what we asked for but um I'm really concerned about our pedestrian and bike safety those are which I see every single day kids walking and riding bikes and um I'm I'm not seeing any of these really highlighting how that's gonna alleviate or keep them safer so today I'm not prepared to make any motions moving forward with any of these um as or not a motion you're just seeking recommendations so I'm I wouldn't be prepared on moving any recommendations forward without seeing more information coming back to us um maybe we can move over move forward with council member browns with a committee or something like that but as of today I'm not prepared to to make any recommendation or approve any of these recommendations from kim really horn today no I I think it is time that we we do something with all the problems we've had with the traffic um so I think that the diet is probably the way to go although the futures the roundabouts are are going to be coming everywhere in california at least we're doing something I think it's it's positive and whatever we can do to make it safer so I think recommending the diet is and moving forward is a good idea we have another question the quick build road diet is that um easily removed if it just doesn't if we did this for like six months and it's just terrible and everyone hates it could we just get rid of it I mean yeah that is part of the point of using temporary materials yeah I think I'll chime in on that part is I I do feel like something needs to be done and that that the road diet is something that's already budgeted and could we we don't know enough because we don't have the roundabout up at gales and we don't know what that's going to look like so that's why I feel like having something sort of temporary in the interim I think it does speak somewhat to pedestrian safety only because it is shortening the crosswalks so I yeah I wouldn't move forward with a roundabout I would say trying to implement some of these quick fixes in a way that are budgeted for before we see what is actually going to happen with the rest of the avenue it's my take yeah I guess I would just caution us to think about um taking away lanes and not seeing a full plan I heard council member Brown asking questions council member Clark bringing up pedestrian saving for our seniors I am rather than us moving forward with that proposal I would like to see staff come back with more information on addressing our concerns before initiating any anything even if it's the road diet which seems to be kind of the middle ground just because we all have concerns I'm hearing all of us say and I just like staff to address them and then we can have a more robust conversation and I appreciate council member Peterson's thought you know they are the experts so I would want to hear from the experts saying to me yes council member Brooks you know the bikes are going to go here this is how they're going to this is going to be this is what the plan is this is how we're going to talk to the kids this is what PD is going to do all of those things but I'm not hearing that and the last thing I want to hear from our community is why did you take away one of our lanes because and I and especially from round tree here without a robust plan I don't I don't see us not making any sense to me so so I think yeah um I just wanted to touch on the pedestrian safety because based on the um what we got from staff the roundabout does mention that and say that it is the safest option which is a very big priority given the um accidents that have happened and the um closeness to the senior housing there and it also says that it is the most efficient at traffic flow so well it is removing a lane if we are to trust this deaf report that we were provided that will be the most efficient means of moving traffic so that that's what I'm basing um my comments off of but having said that I'm not opposed to learning more about the situation I do believe community involvement would be really important I would like to hear what the um disabled and elderly committee on the RTC has to say about it um but it just it still seems clear to me that the roundabout is the most efficient or a number of reasons um in almost every category from what we were provided by staff one thing that is missing that you did mention um it doesn't explicitly state um bicycle safety which I would also be interested in hearing about yeah and long-term plans for the rest of Bay Avenue that's what's also really missing from this meaning so this is just addressing Bay Avenue right in front of knob hill but it's not looking at the additional roundabout being proposed over by gales and so if you have two how does that impact what is the flow for you know the green striping going down the entire Bay Avenue like all of those components are missing to this kind of story of us the the problems we're trying to solve here so that's just an element hopefully that's not um so I think that's another component is this long-term strategy which is in the report today there's short term and long term but that's a big component for me in making any of these decisions tonight and our city manager did mention there kind of these were conceptual designs on the um road diet and so maybe it's a matter maybe it's a matter of I'm laughing back there um maybe it's a matter of seeing what the four different road diet designs would look like and coming back to us and after we've gotten feedback or the three or whatever that would look like um I just like to see that before approving anything yeah I agree so I think um if we're able to see options of the road diet but focus on um where those bike lanes are going to be and how they're going to be either illuminated or just made obvious and things like that maybe just making sure that we're getting a little bit fuller detail as far as like like let's pull that scope of that picture out a little bit and really see like up to center and back towards the senior center and things like that um so that maybe something temporary that's a quick fix we could agree on for right now so that we're not moving forward on a huge roundabout decision before the other one is started either you know so I think we need staff to come back so based on what I'm hearing I think it sounds like that there's a consensus around at least looking at a quick build project the question becomes is do you want to come back to a meeting where we bring more information uh councilmember brown brought up an idea of having a subcommittee potentially working with staff to develop a final plan that would come back to the council for thumbs up or thumbs down vote so I think those might be your two cleanest options at this stage is either say come back to the full council with some more answers to these questions you just identified Marrakeiser or form a little subcommittee can work with staff we can work with the property owners and the neighbors and come back develop a quick build project for council consideration so I think those might be your two cleanest options right now based on what I'm hearing what sounds the most appealing I mean I think it's best if we had like a committee with council input and the property owner input and all that but I'm saying that is someone who won't be able to volunteer for it so what do you mean you're busy or something yeah I don't I can't yes um I thought you were I thought you were raising your hand except Joe we don't want to have happened what happened on Portola Drive that was a mess when they did their yeah call me um so we don't want to have that so we need to do we need to get input from the business owners and the people are actually going to be using it so you would be on the committee okay I'm not volunteering for the committee but I would hope that we can move this along quickly because I know some of the senior residents have been asking I've heard this from multiple residents on that property um nearly a year ago and I'm sure that this has been got an ongoing issue and somebody was just insured last month so um I don't have a consultant about a roundabout we haven't held any community meetings about roundabouts that is one of the things that I think the right to comment I've mentioned during the presentation is that we do have a planned more robust sort of workshop with the council plan for this fall to talk about roundabouts and some of the details that we talked about but we haven't done that yet well then should we even form a council committee until the public has given us feedback on their preferences because otherwise we're we're just kind of spinning our wheels on what we think's best and we haven't heard from anyone in the public yet I was suggesting that the committee would be focused on the quick build project if the council wants to go in that direction and it sounds like for the time being we put longer term plans on the whole we focus on getting something done in the near term no that's not what I'm I wouldn't agree with that it was not what you were trying to say yeah that's not what council's saying I think what council is saying that we have not heard from the community we haven't received feedback this is coming to us for the first time and we haven't talked to anybody about what they wanted so I would agree with council member brown on this that we need to seek community input share some of these ideas with them you can maybe form a committee council with council member clark if we need it and then come back to council with with their thoughts on on these options and then we can have a more robust conversation about it okay how about this how about we put together the committee we have the council members we look at the quick build option not the roundabout option right now we look at the quick build option consider what our problem our problems and our concerns are and with that put together some kind of presentation that we can do to the bay avenue senior center or business owners people in that specific area and then bring that feedback from the committee's recommendations to the council to decide what to do with does that make sense does that include a refined design I think that's what the committee would decide yeah the quick build yeah I mean that's something the committee would look at right yeah that's what my understanding was yeah yeah how many meetings would this committee have I'd be happy to participate all right okay so we're going to create a subcommittee of council member peterson and council member clark along with no don't have to do that my suggestion is that the subcommittee um comprised solely council member peterson and council member clark because it's an ad hoc committee under the brown eye got it and then if the subcommittee needs staff to assist you could certainly ask for that help from staff and if you would like to talk to the community you could certainly talk to the community and report back to your fellow council members so I would suggest the motion be um motion to form an ad hoc subcommittee um of council member clark and council member peterson can I play off of that um a little bit to provide direction to staff regarding short-term and long-term options for improving traffic safety at the intersection of bay avenue hill street that will come back to council at a further date so is that what the ad hoc committee will do great okay so um I'd like to make a motion to um create an ad hoc committee with council member clark and council member peterson and at their direct discretion to invite public um public businesses and partners to provide direction to staff regarding short-term and long-term options for improving traffic safety at the intersection of bay avenue and hill street and they will return back to council with further comments or a report not further comments a report I'll second sorry I didn't realize that was motion I'll second can I request some clarification so would we be developing sort of a based on the community feedback the neighbor of the council and put through the ad hoc committee would be developing a recommended near-term plan is that the outcome or are we coming back with just the results of that outreach so short-term and long-term options is what the ad hoc committee is gonna come back to council with so we've received long-term and short-term based off of kimberley horn but that was without any business or community input on what they want and so I'm really concerned I am really interested in getting that information first before making any decision on a whatever that thing was called the no the other one road call road diet a road diet yeah I don't want to move forward with anything until we get feedback from them I'm having flashbacks to the jewel box but I know I'm not sure why this is so confusing I don't I think we need more more public input before we make any decisions on on that on this I hear you it wasn't what I was hearing from the full council earlier but this motion is it's crystallized for me I think one of the things though is that the two meeting promise is probably not I don't know that we can stick to that if we're talking about long-term kind of a long-term visioning strategy for a avenue that sounds like that's more of a project I'm sorry when I was talking about two meetings I was thinking we were pretty much focused on just a near-term project and trying to figure out how that was going to work well then let's focus on the near-term yeah I mean because we can focus on the near-term and then as the long-term comes then we can have another public outreach process that'll be much longer we're gonna have the the roundabout in front of gales potentially done by summer next year and that would be a good time for us to look at long-term that's already set in stone right that's already happening well it's not funded and I think that there's still discussion in the council about whether we're gonna move forward on that one but okay so I'll amend my motion and take out the word long-term and just leave short-term I'd also like to direct staff to look at the long-term effects for the entire Bay Avenue stretch with the potential of two roundabouts because that's what we're talking about in the long term and so we might as well just put that on the docket for a future agenda item come next year four months from now or whatever but I'd like to direct staff to do that I've amended the motion is that I will accept the amendment thank you council member brown is that what I because I seconded it I just need to accept that it's been amended cool all right got a first and a second let's do a roll call council member Brooks hi council member Clark hi council member Peterson hi nice mayor brown hi and mayor Kaiser hi thank you passes unanimously thank you ready we've got nine c city council appointments to advisory bodies Ramec Ramec recommended action is to appoint members of the public to the city of capital commission on the environment good evening mayor and council members to finish off our meeting tonight we do have a potential appointment to the commission on the environment so they previously adopted administrative policy i-38 allows youth participation on city advisory bodies all terms for youth participants are for one year and it's meant to coincide with the school year the position is a non-voting position on the advisory body and it will not count towards the quorum of the body the commission on the environment recently received one application the application was reviewed by the commission of friends with their bylaws and that commission does not currently have any youth members on board the applicant is called Tucker Grassel he attended the coe meeting on september 20th and the coe met reviewed the application and recommends that the city council appoint this youth member so the recommended action this evening is to appoint Tucker as a youth member to the commission on the environment for a one-year term in accordance with our administrative policy i'm available for any questions questions i have kind of a question it probably isn't appropriate for this but i'm curious why the youth members are non-voting members maybe that's something we could talk about is that typically youth members are minors um and some of our administrative bodies have legislative authority for the city and it's it's i'm not always recommended for minors to have voting decision on use of city funds or city projects um they're also not always able to attend all meetings because of school commitments the policy is was created to encourage participation and provide experience on government agency bodies without conflicting with their school priorities because it's a recognition that the school priority should come first so it's really meant to encourage kind of an introduction to government without over committing a youth member to something that they might not be able to join all of our city bodies have an attendance policy as well so if it was a voting member and it did contribute to the quorum they would be required to attend a certain number of meetings and that wouldn't be feasible if they're a minor um and have school commitments okay so minors are not eligible for um actual membership on these committees etc they are they just can't vote i know but like yeah like voting voting members minors are not eligible to become voting members on any of our committees is that correct so i actually don't know whether or not you could have a minor that was appointed to a regular seat um i think that's something we could look into the as our city clerk was elaborating the the program to add a minor representative to each one of the boards and commissions we put a fair bit of thought into that when we were developing it and one of the concerns was about ensuring that the boards and commissions could maintain a quorum so that they could meet and so we came up with this sort of the ex-officio position so that it didn't count against the overall quorum i don't know whether or not we could have a minor in a regular boarding commission role given that the minors not in the probably not the age that they could vote something we could look into and i can let you know what i find i'd also be curious to know if julia does answer that question she says she just said that they can't so i isn't that they can't they can't she just answered that question i have never heard of any city that allows a minor to join a group outside of like a youth advisory commission some cities do have youth member groups where all members are like under the age of 18 for example or high school seniors would be like the last category of youth member but typically it's not considered a best practice and i'm not sure if there's a legal requirement for this but it's not considered a best practice to allow minors to vote on decisions that could impact the city or make recommendations to the city council unless it like i said it was a youth advisory group any other questions any public comment here or there anywhere what are our thoughts i think it's a great that they have youth on our commissions um i know tucker and his family i think he'd be great and uh if we're ready i can make a motion yeah i'll second that they have some comments as well great first and the second but we'll take comments first ironically um sometimes when you post things on facebook it reminds you later that you posted them six years ago today you posted this and six years ago today uh the council approved the policy that i brought forward to ask for youth boards uh youth seats on the board so tucker is being appointed on the six year anniversary of us even allowing youth to be on any of our boards and commissions so it's a fun thing fun little trivia fact um tucker if i'm not mistaken i met at the cweb community meeting over at new brighton and he was just brilliant young man and got up and presented and he was you know very eloquent and and prepared and and you know i approached him and told him you should really consider being on one of our boards and i'm really excited to see um that he has decided to apply for for this seat so really excited for him and looking forward to um the contribution that he has to make to our city great may we have a roll call council member box hi council member clark hi council member peterson hi vice mayor brown hi and mayor kaiser hi passes unanimously takes us to our last item of business today number 10 which is adjournment thank you everybody so much cheers