 Welcome to Toffey TV, Michael Silver has been sacked even sacked yesterday. I did a live show, it was very good, it was my day. The dust has settled now, we know Duncan Ferguson is going to be in charge for the game against Chelsea, we've just watched his press conference. It was a very, very weird day, the way the whole thing happened. I thought Elon in the morning will find out he's been sacked and that'll be that. But it did not happen until 7 o'clock, we shared he'd been at Finchfarn, Bill being a Finchfarn, Matt or Brandt being a Finchfarn all day. It just seemed a weird settle. Yeah it was strange wasn't it? Obviously once the whistle went around field and you looked at beat man anyway didn't you? You could tell around field he looked, he looked like he knew, that was that. I think everybody was just waiting for that news really because enough is enough I suppose, the line isn't it? We're just being tramped by Liverpool, it was always going to be a difficult game but the way it was. And you're waiting for that. It's weird when you're such a manager because I don't really like such a manager because you want a period of stability, you don't want to have to worry about the manager but it was getting to the stage with Marco Silva where there's every press conference, every aftermath of that interview they were asking in my barrage position. And that's weird cos it's gone on all season almost like the third or fourth game onwards, you're under pressure and all that. So when it comes to the other night and he's done you're then thinking I'll be in an absence and you think it'll be tomorrow which was yesterday and we coming here around midday. So you know it'll probably be in a minute and then it goes on then but then you see everybody arriving at Finch Farms, Sheary, Sasha Ryan, Savv and all that can right. And then you think it won't be long then and then obviously we were getting little snippets from people so you know they're still here and nothing's happened and then it started being will it happen? You know the players left, nothing of that and then there was room as he was staying you know and eventually. The players apparently left believing that he would be in charge for the game against Chelsea apparently and then that made me wait I don't know maybe that's where he was came from. But he hadn't been told he'd been charged had he? No but he hadn't been told he was getting to that. I just found that all very very strange this year they had to meet with the players and apparently asked them if there was anything they needed you know in terms of getting better. Well I wonder if because I know he wasn't allowed in was he and Duncan wasn't in there and the coaching staff so I wonder if he did that. I say you know what can we do for you? What's going wrong? I wonder if he did that thinking a couple of players might go well don't mind I'm just not listening to try and get a little bit of clarity on it or he's doing what or this was happening or that you know what I mean? And if they've not really fed anything back to him because why would they really? Do you know what I mean unless like eight or nine of them? I wonder if he did it just thinking well if they might give me some information that I'm not privy to he's not here kind of thing and maybe because he didn't he might have just gone oh okay then like you know. That worries me more. That worries me more that the players I mean seeing the messages yesterday the players and today the players still behind them that's likely worries me more because there's anyway behind them on the pitch. But isn't that the thing though? Isn't it the thing that the majors be so comfortable with the whole thing that they don't feel like he's done anything majorly wrong? If you look at tight Liverpool game of the equation we haven't been whacked this season by anybody so we've lost a lot of games by the odd goal so we've been in most games and I suppose they might feel like and he probably felt like well if it goes the other way we'll win a lot of those games. It's not as if it was clear crystal clear under Cuman that they'd stop playing. It was crystal clear under Martinis even more so that they'd just threw the towel in. I don't think it was crystal clear I just think there was muddied messages. I think the other thing about it as well I don't think he gave up on the job had that. I think he was still working very very hard to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. He just didn't know how to do that. He didn't know what the secret was. He tried something on Sunday and thought he'd tried again on Wednesday. The episode was the same what we've bought. Two conflicting performances. Two conflicting performances where players less than they seemed a little bit more settled but against Liverpool didn't know what they were coming over on the back side. Maybe the players were you know they enjoyed, they enjoyed. I didn't know they'd got to go to work six days a week and you know the training would come stiring and come boring. That's when players get bored. That's what essentially despised it. It just got bored and didn't want to put up with the methods anymore because they actually weren't leaving anymore. But if it's the same session for Gordon he felt like it was becoming better players and it was just marginal issues and the injuries and maybe they understood a bit more about the recruitment and who we missed out on and things like that. They probably had a lot of sympathy for him. I can understand that and this is why I'm not sitting here going on his fella. I haven't been like that at all. It's just been, for me it's just been, I just don't think it's as well as good enough. He's working hard. I think he's put everything into it. I really do. I'm not going to start telling tales. No one should hate him. Nobody. I just think that. And I don't think it's like one of those situations where people ask those to come out gone. He spends half of his time doing nothing or somebody even like you know might work it. I think he tried hard. I just don't think he was good enough. I've just done something for Premier League productions there and they showed his staff and they showed his win right for all three clubs at a baseball. They get really his poor, do you know what I mean? And I don't, you know, he didn't spend that much time in hauling, he didn't spend that much time at Watford and he knew who wants to do that. He's come to Everton with a lot of fanfare and a lot of hype and a lot of issues behind it and that sort of, it became that thing for Everton that we always fall into that trap. It's of someone says you can't have something and as media as Everton, we want it then. You tell me I can't have something, I want it. We're always like that as Everton. You don't want that play. You want that play. You can't have them. No we want them and we will fight them so we get them and we don't even care if we don't even want them but we want them. No, that makes sense. So a lot of hype surrounding them but I don't know, it's, it's, it's never, I don't ever feel that Michael Silver look comfortable at Everton and that might just be his natural demeanor and I've always said this. I just don't think he's ever looked comfortable being, he never looks like he's relaxed. He never looked like he enjoyed it. He never quite looked like he owned it. And I don't know whether that played a part and I really don't and this season even more so with losing his assistant manager which I don't know if people realise how important that is and how confident next year but I think, I think that being a big thing as well. Yeah, I mean, that fella's been with him, you know, Joe Pedro has been with him the whole way through as a manager so for him not to be there and then things aren't going. You know, for him, he lost Zuma, he lost Ghana and he lost his, his like damn man in the summer so we finished the season on a strong, you know, strong position. It's clean sheets in the last 10 games, beating all the top six, you know, draw them at Liverpool and stuff, got to the end of the season. We were like, all right, well maybe we've come through that. He knows what he wants. He knows how he wants us to play. And I think I said to you early on, it looks like the whole thing started again. No, it's not continued. And you've said the other day, didn't you? The same thing. Now it looks like we've hit every nothing started again and that's because three big components are what were there at the end of the season. Now, the thing with Everton, I've seen Stan Collymor talk about Eddie Hall yesterday, saying he would be eating alive at Everton. He's not big enough as a personality to manage Everton. He said Everton's a massive club, big history and the fans. You've got to be at the front. He said Eddie Hall's not big enough. He said he wasn't, Michael Silver wasn't for him. So he said Everton needs a character. He needs someone who will. You spoke about it with Moise, throwing the cow down and all that. And that's one thing that makes me think with Moise. Well, at least he didn't like something that the fans are doing. He didn't have any issue. That's what I mean. All it ice did, but he done it all wrong, but he still did it. He still kind of went there and you knew he was the manager. Do you know what I mean? Even though you didn't like it, you knew he was the manager. He was still doing all this to the fans because he was just a big horrible guy. But he was strong enough as a person to stand up for that. He does it over there again. Did it early on and he still does it. He still puts his chest up. I think that's where he missed the trick with bringing in an assistant. He brought in someone that Everton has already had a fundamental hatred of. Whether it cooled over time, it doesn't matter. We didn't like the fella. And it wasn't like a case of, oh, we want Duncan to be an assistant or anything like that. We just didn't like that fella. I don't think he knew enough about him either, or I've had a relationship enough with him to make me that geld state of life. For me, and it's easier to say this in hindsight, maybe the fact going together as an assistant and having that face here in charge, he could have established that and gone, you know what, I'm not necessarily the character that these people want, but if I bring an assistant in, that is the character. It is the person who sometimes does press conferences or sometimes I'll let them in front of a microphone or whatever. Someone who's a little bit of a barrier and to be fair, the man who's going to be a gel tomorrow could have maybe filled that gap. Even if it was just like they're actually on a reposition, just giving them a bit more responsibility. But I think someone a little bit more senior could have helped them a lot this scene. Reflected on the first scene, they've got where I've gone wrong, what do I need to do? What I need to do this, this and this, but you know, some of those things aren't in my character in terms of away from coaching or in the dressing room, calling players to decide being the buffer. I don't think that's where he got it wrong. He's a 42-year-old manager himself, and he was going for someone who had less experience. He should have gone for someone who had more experience, I could just go on to the side and say, you know what, I don't think you're doing it the right way. Someone to challenge him. Someone to actually challenge him and go, playing that wrong system, and I'm playing that system. How about this? Because you've seen with the players that obviously he's a good coach. They like him as a coach. They like his methods, like you said, but then you've got the two. You've got Matchday, and unfortunately for him, Matchday is all that matters evidently in the end, because that's what we see as fans. And that's what results determine. That's what your owners see. That's what your far-admissiery sees. It's when you're sat in a stadium at home and you're a section of your home crowd, just thinking you're getting sacked in the morning to your own manager. You're not surviving that, because you've lost them, unless you can go to Leicester and Win 3-Nil and go to Manfield and Win 3-Nil, and then people go, I'm going to say, we were a bit harsh. Football is like that. It's all fine, aren't you? And maybe if he would have been able to go and get Carlos Keros for arguing and saying, you know, he's a manager of the country, but he's an experienced Portuguese manager who's done stuff at clubs. You know, Rennie Mullinstein, who's been Ferguson's number two, and he's brilliant coach, who would have gone and gone. Maybe he would have fair, better decisions. Maybe they would have sat down together in the summer and gone. I've watched the bit of what you've done. You've lost him, maybe we need this cat. And someone to really, who he might have respected, whereas not saying he didn't respect Bow and Morty, because we just pick, but he might have thought I'm getting this young, hungry number two who's like the similar age and we know this, but who's played in the Premier League, but you need someone who's going to go, you're doing this all wrong. And I think I've seen Bow and Morty speak once, and that was when he, the day he signed, and he's gone quiet. And I know you don't want everyone in the background coming to the foreground, but I just, he didn't seem to do anything, you know. I think the other day, his personality, I think was the major problem. No, I loved his number two, Sammy Lee. Right? And I hated him as well at the same time, but he was up for it again. Every, I loved, no, I loved him because he hated referees. He was like that at the Ford official all the time. He was up, giving it a fast clap. He loved a fast clap, didn't he? But Bow and Morty, just sat there like that on the bench and you're like helping, supporting me, we're under pressure. He stood there looking lonely on the side, going helping, going saying, you know, and all that. And I just think. And you're right, I mean his personality hasn't helped him because, and he can't help the way he is. No. But I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the football club didn't help him. The football club should have struck the pressure off him, but instead put it on him by keeping him away from everything, by not doing enough. There was no, you've said it a lot of times, it didn't necessarily bother me too much, but there'll be a big number of other times you've did bother that they didn't get to know him because so if you don't get to know someone, why are you going to, why are you going to stick up for them so to speak or it becomes like you said, it becomes easier if you've got no feelings for someone, it becomes easier to go, he's crap, he's not good. But if he's like, if you get to know him a little bit and you go, I don't think it's just that though. I think, like I said just before, he never looks relaxed, he never looks relaxed anyway. He never looks relaxed amongst evertownians, you know, when we were in Switzerland and he's all running over to and getting pictures with them and he never looks relaxed, you know, you little crack of a smile as in, I'm terrified of you and all these people getting me away from them. He never, he just seems like someone who just, he wants to coach and he'll be all right in the same environment, but like you said before, Evan's not that environment. We want someone who embodies the club as the manager and you want that, I don't know, maybe if he had bonded and maybe if he had done a few interviews and stuff like that, but maybe he wouldn't have wanted to do. That would have only come from one place here. But if he'd done that, maybe he would have gone, oh, I've got these, I can relax, I can make a couple of these decisions because I know it's going to be all right. And you know, and relaxed, this is, you always felt like someone who was stopping on the way to somewhere else. And I felt like that for a long time, I remember going back to January and when I got beat by a mill wall and you speak to a couple of people, at least they haven't managed for the short time, they've felt long time. And that's no way to be as of, you know, it's like living out of a suitcase then, aren't you? You know, and I never felt like he was ever going to be able to manage. But I haven't felt like that for the last few, since boys went, I thought, Mark Ness was only here to try further and show him career, cum, and we definitely just wanted to put one foot here and step on us to get to the next thing. Don't you feel like, and again, it's not always dance moves, it's dancing the manager as well, but managers will always want to further the craze if they're not at the very top. But you can try and take a team to the top and some teams can only go so far. But I think if a manager puts it out there, you know, I mean, I mean he did say a few times, he did say, I want to be here for the stadium and all that, but it never actually felt like he committed to that. Never actually felt like he was relaxed, teaming, interviews, and he never opened up to fans, he never, you know, he never did what he did. Cumin was like, put a brick wall up and it was always like, what time am I going to be here too. He never, he wasn't like that, it just wasn't part of his personality. Do you think, I mean, try to go. I think that that would have been bad, because I think I could have looked at him and gone, we can't wheel him out to this event, he looks dead uncomfortable, instead of getting him comfortable, getting him meeting fans, getting him going to fans and shaking their hand and going, how are you? Like, I don't want to have had him in here, sat down, and for half an hour just had a chat. I can watch and think about this, what do you mean by that? Well, we nearly did. We nearly did. But then we lost another show. We nearly did, but we lost another. And just like, what do you think about this? What is your philosophy, you know, off camera? So that when you get him on camera, you can go, all the press, the written press have said, and see Paddy Boyle mentioning it, dead nice fella, away from the camera, dead nice fella, open. Catch you as the camera comes on. Like that. It's about breaking down that body, even if everyone don't what they did on the madness, with those where they got a load of the fans sites and stuff like that, in a room with them and just have a chat with them. I remember we used to sit down on the madness and we used to have a chat with them for 20 minutes before we started, or afterwards, have a chat afterwards. I remember when we went to see him the second time, we just had the baby, so I took him a card, and then I said to him, you do me a favour. I bought two cards, I bought one for him, and it was, it was me misses his birthday. And I went, do me a favour, can you just sign at the bottom of that, your name, I'll put everything in and he went, no he meant. He went, yeah, oh yeah, have a great birthday, Sam, from the best. It looked like he didn't just scribble on it, what is it? And then I remember, it was not long after we just started. He didn't do a video for us, he was watching toffy TV and he went, yeah, yeah, no worry. And people were asking him for different things, and he got very comfortable. And we'd seen him a couple of times after with that, and he knew me name, he was always very good at that. And it was just all, whether you like madness or not, it was just all a different person. And like I said, as a manager, he was great, but as a fella, he was absolutely fantastic, lovely fella. The point being is I'm not saying silver isn't that person. No, no, we never got to see that because the body was never broken down. When he'd come in at the mat first coming in, and we were like, aww, jesus Christ. Where were we, Barry? Barry. We were at Barry and the former media. That was the problem then. Of everything. So we had press credentials, and rarely we should have been by right allowed to speak to him that night. But the person in charge was allowed all the, you know, a couple of favourites. And then he brought them over to us and said, Marco, Marco, this is Peddon Bars and he's with me. And then walked away instead of letting us have a conversation with him for five minutes. And it was a little... That's all right for you. It was like, yeah, it's that note. Maybe we're a media organisation, we need an interview with him. Ninety seconds. But it was little things like that. But you're just like, he's the new manager. We can get across that. He's a dead sound fella. I like this fella. I'm willing to give this fella time. Just had a chat with us. No, it was just like... And he was just like getting pulled around. Yeah. No, no. That's what I'm saying about the club. They need to learn from that. Do you think... And this is meant in a, you know, do you think without being like prejudice of forum managers, do you think it's harder for us as editorians if it isn't an English manager? Not English, but like a bit... Let me qualify by that. Just be from the way they get the points across. Is... What matters was very good. I think him and Emery suffered the same fate. And it's because Emery's English wasn't great. But he tried to come in and he tried to throw it in. And he tried to speak English. Couldn't get across what he wanted to say. So therefore he never said what he wanted to say. And I think he's exactly the same. He could never ever get across what he wanted to say. Right? In the way he wanted to say it. In the way he wanted to say it so he didn't say it. And therefore everything he said was very formal there. So he couldn't articulate what he wanted to say. Whereas a bit in winter Portugal, and he had done a press conference, he would be... Totally different. Totally different and he can crack jokes and he can say this and he can say that. He couldn't... Language. Not the language as such. Listen, you could speak English really perfectly fine. It's just having that conversation where you can get across what you want to do. Getting your personality across. That's what I'm talking about. Not what you're saying. I can take Mark out. Cultural differences. 433. And he could tell me about 433 in English. But would he relax in the way that he would in Portugal? Cultural differences. It's just that's what it comes down to. Emery will go back to Spain and will sit down and... You know, you've seen this already. I've seen interviews with Emery. I've seen interviews with him. I've seen Bradle's doing interviews in Dutch. Where it's very relaxed, very open. They say what they want to say. You get it across and there aren't any issues. It doesn't get... They all lost their translation. It doesn't get twisted. It doesn't... And this is maybe again why... Listen, we've said this from the start. It's not a fact as such. But saying the elements of the media in this country, the panellists and all that, such as that, I've added in from some day one since he joined home. The P.I. Paul Mason. Who is this fellow? He's done. Why aren't we employing a British manager? He's done not what his track record. Then he comes to us, replacing one of their mates, Sam Allardyde. Then Talksport have got in him for him every day. Sam Allardyde's a Sydney and they're going, Sam, have it loose again. And he's like, well, wouldn't have lost on the me, would he? Or, oh, he fan this and this and that. So he couldn't get away. The two major broadcasting people in this country. Sky for TV, Talksport for the radio. Adding in from straight away. Don't forget, Allardyde, to dress that when he took over. If you remember, in our second press conference, as manager, they asked him about Michael Silver, because obviously Edith had gone for Silver and didn't get him when he started laughing. I meant, what's he ever done? You know, it's not my concern, but I've had 30 years in England and all that. So we added in for him then, then Silver replaced him. So he doubly added in for him then, because he felt like he saw this fella's being lach. Allardyde was quite clever, because he never actually ever put the knife in. No, no. He just set it up. He just highlighted it. And again, it's all these things that have come back, but listen ultimately, the problem with them is is in-game management was horrendous. In-game management was really, really poor. Do you think he understood? Do you think he understood? He understood might be the right way, but just how soft the Premier League is and what I mean by that is, might he be in Portugal? He'd have got time to bed a team van, and if you get a certain set up, most of the time you'll win games. You might beat the top three or four, but everyone else has dros in those leagues. If you've got a certain level, you can beat them all. And that buys you all that time to build and build and build where he's in England. I mean, you know, just seeing Brighton go to Arsenal, beat them, nor has it come to Goddus and done us sooner. There's no easy game. I was going to mention someone there at Brighton, Graham Potter. I said, I'm not saying he's doing an amazing job, but you've got someone like Graham Potter there who's kicked into Brighton's day, but I've had renders last season, and yet he's gone there and gave them, and I'm not. It could just be what it is right now, but he's changed the culture, and he's changed it quite quickly. I've seen Brendan Rodgers go into Leicester. We've even seen Steve Bruce go into Newcastle and things faster than what he changed at Evan. I think now that comes down to getting across on the training pitch or on a match day what you want. The amount of times that Evan would you to make a sub, and you've got people on the sidelines as they're getting stiff, getting told all these messages, is I'm not putting that back to him. And the opposition has scored. Or the opposition adored he scored. He was so reactionary, or he couldn't get his message over to the subs, or he wasn't allowing other people who could get that message across to the subs. Little things like that. You say it don't you with some of the training ground managers where they set the team up perfectly, and if it goes to plant, it's great. And you go brilliant that. But the minute the plant changes within a game, they just don't know how to react. And I think maybe, maybe that's what it was. I think that's what it was at everyone's side. He was a good coach, a great coach, and he loved them for it. And you're going to think that way, that way, that way for us, that's what we're talking about. As fans, we don't have that, we never have that relationship, but players have that relationship because every day they go on to training and it's great, and it's different every day and there's no boring monotony, and they enjoy it. That's the fact they enjoy it. They're going to keep giving them time or wanting to have time because they're thinking, hang on, the next one might come in. And he might be horrendous, he might have us doing doggies. But you know what? That's exactly what they might need to do. Because number one, the team don't look fit to me. They don't look fit. They get a leg, I mean, when they got a leg down over the pitch. Now number one, Liverpool are a better team. But they shouldn't be able to outrun you. For a team, the first thing you should be saying is no one should be legging you. Maybe that's again, maybe it was too nice. That's what I'm saying, too comfortable. In terms of what we need now, we've gone, obviously Duncan's in charge for the game. And that's great. Duncan Ferguson, manager of evidence. He's got a lovely ring to it. But we know that it's only 10 things. I think a part of it is, no matter what anyone thinks. It's one game and who else would you have given it to? There wasn't enough time to bring in a manager and say, you set the team up. He's literally had one day to day. Or he's going to do, he knows the place he's going to do go in and do the job for 24 hours. He's got Franny Jeffers with him. He's got a lot of people in Alun Kelly and he's tomorrow to day. He's just keeping it ticking over. He'll make a couple of changes and shelter what he believes. But going forward, we need, we do need, we need someone who can front everything up. Don't we? We need a character, we need someone who applies a weary of, I think, because, I think the problem with professional football is I think he said one of the other things we've done that, if you give them, you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. And if you, unfortunately for us. That's what the problem was. He allowed them to make decisions. He allowed their family to come in every day later and he never got a grip on it. Then Cumin did get a grip on it and you've seen how it fell away. A lot of bombings. But he was too abrasive. Maybe he was too far one way. You need someone in the middle. Unfortunately, those managers tend to go to teams that are at the top of the league. They find that. Maybe he would spare his reputation if it went too far, but that's something that they said they loved. They wanted to be pushed, they wanted to be challenged. Who's willing? Who wants to? But your top players don't need most of it to do it because they want to do it. But maybe it's the act, it's just selling that. Do you want a match? If you want a club that will look round and go, why are we being pushed? It's the old Roy Keeman when he went to the World Cup in Faradon. It's like I have standards and as a manager I reach my standards. So what is the point? And you'll get some players who are like this is Sam and that's what's going on when he went to talk to me and said I'm going in. Push all you. And someone went, that's what we want. Because that's how it's going to be. We're not going to become better players every day. I think Samuel Leto had that issue when he was in the market. He won, he had certain standards and he was seeing that those standards were miles below. And it's about and I'm not saying I've got those players, I'm really not. But who's to say someone like Dean isn't sitting there going I've come from Barcelona okay I wasn't in the first team but the standards were driving me on to be in the first team. And maybe last season when we've seen the best of Dean they were there but this season he's dropped off. And he's dropped off because of it. Because it's almost like well I want to do the extra thing, I want to do the extra training and I want to do this and that we're not getting that all the time. So that's the difficult part though because they're the best managers and it's whether you can unearth one on the way up who tried to do to be fair with silver or you can prize one away and that's the difficult thing. We're getting linked with names at the moment Pochettino and Shalotti Eddie Hall Obviously Dean of Moise is still in there There's Raffers in there Perair there is The guy I wanted to replace Moise funny enough but I think that's fast ship sale doesn't it and I think he's been to enough clubs but he's got a crack on his agency but it just shows just very quickly that the likes are brightening and you can get organised in this division just basic organisation you've got a new castle Bruce is done, he's organised in a bit he's gone back to what Benitez had and he's been organised and he's just picking points He said I've just gone back to what I've probably had a chat with a couple of senior players on what was he doing He started the season looking like he'd be going down and then he's gone back to being solid and because they know that in general it's all chef United have done So if Everton can do that But I'm saying if Everton could get organised and just have a way of playing there's enough quality that he would win most of a lot of games Wolves are like that as well That's where it starts I'm going to go up this They're very hard-working they're a tight ship and then they say to the players at the other end grab us and win the games and that's what generally was based on that It's gone a little bit looser now Man City was the same Don't concede goals They've seen the problems being the defence has gone essentially to the conceding goals but the basis should be Don't concede goals and be organised and we build from that Probably with Everton we always seem to do it the wrong way but we don't because we haven't got strikeers But there's enough goals in the team if you're organised win games 1-0 or win games 2-1 and we try to get 4s and with Dairon it because we don't even score that many but we try to But don't lose games of football Start picking up points and it makes a massive difference You're Sheffield is united Wolves have won five games Wolves are in your the European places as well as being in your It's not difficult to climb this league You just have to avoid losing games and add a win every three games and you'll find yourself up there that's what we've got to do now stop losing games it does sound stupid but there's been opportunities to just see games out Lester, Brighton their games we should have just Norwich Norwich we were completely terrible Yeah we were terrible but we should have been at least able to take a point around the Norwich of me There's games where you think just get a point from another game don't lose today but don't we're all over the place born of the way just expectacly but that falls to bits in like two minutes that's our problem and we need to just get that stability that's been our problem for four years getting the stability but that's why for me it's only a Satan type of man Who's it going to be for you? I've been consistent on this What about Moise? Moise keeps coming and going I'm not overly against it I'm not against it I can understand why people are against it I am just generally as a patient pragmatic Everton have worn me down to a point where that's the way I look at things when it comes to heaven but I think pragmatism is not the way because the way the league sets up a bit of pragmatism gets you a long way and you've got a little bit of class which we claim to have and then you build on that I keep on saying Everton, unlike Branley Moore is built on sand so it's difficult to ever get anyway Martin has been built on sand because he had all the foundations he decided to rip them up not even sand with jelly Moise was built on stone but it was not you only got so far on the building That's the point The irony is now we've got the money to get to the next level The proof was in the carcass we had the diamond that went on the top we had the star at the top of the Christmas tree we had everything but we didn't have any grounding we had no foundations so we could score 25 goals it didn't get you anything because you didn't have the base and at the moment we haven't got the base the middle order top we haven't got anything at the moment because you've got to have confidence that you can win games and football and at the moment we don't we always look suspect we always look like we're going to concede a goal if we go behind there's no way we're going to come back because it's reckoned with atrocious but that's a reset now isn't it people have got to go right we've got Chelsea at home new manager if we go behind that's something that runs through the club the people at the top of the lad that's a weapon though so I can't honestly sit here and say it's going to be alright people at the club have got to say we've got to get this sorted stop messing about stop having him in him in him making all the decisions put us all in different parts say what's going to happen from now on and decide and it's going to be the person at the top makes the final say and signs the check the fellow we make actually makes the decision is Marcel Brands or whatever and then the person below him is the manager and it's a straight because at the moment it's not straight at the moment it goes one day it might go that way because someone wants this and someone wants that it can only there's got to be a chain of command and really Marcel Brands should be the man who makes the decisions and Michelle signs off well apparently he is driving the bus so whoever comes in will be there'll be none of this will Brands didn't want him but Ken Knight did or Brands didn't want him but Michelle he did it'll be with Brands this thing so whoever comes in we know that Brands is behind him as well so but then Brands has got to start doing this job for not getting a centre backing and ok the government thing was unfortunate but what's frustrating is the act of government if they could have got to the core ideal over the line and he wanted to come if they could have got in but it would have done whatever happens it'll be interesting to see what happens in January as well you've said permanent manager I had someone yesterday when we did the show permanent manager could mean just someone to the end of the season but they're the permanent manager the permanent manager we called them an interim because they shine a contract and they're the permanent manager don't confuse them with Katie or the interim because he's here for one year because there's no determined length when he has this job I'm glad that they're taking a couple of days but it can't go past them on United it can't go past them on United again it can't unless she beats Chelsea and beats United let's just see how we get on against that no we can't have that there's got to be a plan it's done confusions ever to be the manager of every football family it has to be on absolutes not on the olig on the soul sky of management appointment it has to be on absolutes of course you have to be convinced that he's the right man of his the right man fine, name him if he's not get who you want but what it'll do is it buys us a few extra days to work it out doesn't it it's done it's done let us know what you think should be the next ever manager it doesn't matter what you think it should be Pochettino or you think it should be anyhow let us know in the comments I mean it should never be head it off let's get it on it's done it's done it's done it should never be head it off one win and ten it's not even that like you said before he would be eating but even just very quickly just this record 9th, 12th, 14th so he's the creation same thing again though, same kind of manager we again shall dance on whatford let us know your thoughts in the comments who would you want the bell for the list so you know exactly when the next ever manager is getting sacked all and all so check out the Duncan Fergus interview even the coaching bit because he is the 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