 Welcome folks. Thank you for joining us. So glad to welcome Faiza Yusuf to talk to us about how to supercharge a person's growth journey. It's a pleasure to have all of you as well. I hope all of you are doing well. Without any further delay, I would ask for Faiza to begin the third session. Thank you so much. Hello everyone. So my name is Faiza Yusuf and I'm a technology professional based out here in Karachi, Pakistan. And when the team at Agile India reached out to me and we were talking about some personal growth and mindset related topics. So I wanted to, I told them about the work that I've been doing on myself to kind of improve myself and they were really interested in hearing about that and they invited me to talk about this. So I'm really grateful that they chose this topic and I'm also really grateful that you all are here. Listen to me. So these are a few organizations that I'm associated with. So Code Girls and Women in TechPK are the organizations that I have founded. I'm extremely invested in the idea of diversity and inclusion. And these are the two organizations around that most of both of them work around gender inclusion in Pakistan. I work at Genetic Solutions as a senior product manager. CryptoChicks is an organization that I did here in Pakistan. It's an organization based out in Toronto and Upwork is where I go to find a lot of work. So I tend to work on a lot of content creation, head tech, product management related areas on Upwork and consult for people there. So goal setting is tricky. The reason that I say that is because a lot of us have gone through the phase that whenever New Year comes, a lot of us set resolutions and then we are, we fail to work through. And this is all of us, including myself, because we tend to think that because it's New Year's, it's important that we do that because everybody else is doing that. But goal setting is tricky, because we need to not just think about what we want to achieve, but we also need to think about the system behind that. So the focus on system is extremely important and these are the things that I'm going to discuss in our, in our discussion today. So goal setting in our mind when we think about goal setting, we are thinking about motivation, we are thinking about transformation, we are thinking about change because personal growth is all about transformation. It is something that you do to improve yourself. And when I say yourself, I'm talking about your physical health, your mental health, your financial state, your intellectual state, your spiritual state, anything at all. So when we do goal setting, we are usually focusing on motivation. But what I want you to think about today is to focus on your behavior instead of motivation and especially motivation that is not intrinsic, because if the motivation is coming from inside, you also know that this is something that you really, really want to do, and you really, really want to be, then this is something that's going to happen eventually over time but if the motivation is coming from outside, in most cases, it will freeze it out. So I've had this conversation around habit forming and about personal growth with a lot of people that I work with. So my peers, colleagues, people that I've taught, people that have mentored me or I have mentored. And there are a bunch of questions that I've collected over the years that keep on coming back because people do tend to read about goal setting and do tend to read about habit forming. So I created a list of questions that I'm going to show you right now and then we are going to go through these questions and talk about, I'm going to talk about my answers and then I would really, really want you to think about your answers for these questions. So top most questions, question, should I time block? What should be the size of my goal? How should I quantify it? Do I have to do all of it daily because you are talking, I'm saying about, I'm talking about habits. So if it's a habit, do I need to do it daily? How soon should I self reflect? Can I quit it in like two days? Do I need to do it for two weeks minimum? Do I have to spend 1000 hours on it? What am I going to do with that? What if my tiny habit is too tiny? So there is a wonderful book called Tiny Habits. I have mentioned that book at the end of my talk as well and then another one it's called Atomic Habits. So it talks about very, very small and simple behavior. So some people think that it's too tiny, too tiny for me. So I don't think that's substantial enough. Should I count on snowballing? So is it ever going to happen? Snowballing? What if my goal is not worthy of my time? What if I'm doing something but I think that this is not the right thing to do? Should I quit my goal in the middle? If yes, when is the right time? So these are the questions that keep coming back when it comes to talking about personal growth and when it comes to talking about goal setting and habit forming and ritual forming. So first of all, let me share my answers with you. So time blocking doesn't work for me. I cannot just say that at 9am from 9am to 10am I'm going to do that because I have a very, very chaotic kind of work structure because I work with multiple organizations and I do a lot of volunteering and I run a household as well. So things tend to get really messy around that. So instead of time blocking, my focus is on setting an intention for the day and pick up at least three things that are extremely important for that day for me. And then I go from there. So instead of setting up a calendar time, I basically block the whole day for achieving three or four goals that I want to do that day. What should be the size of my goal? So it should be doable but not boring at all. So in my case, I tend to kind of push myself a little bit further every year to make sure that I'm adding some excitement to it. The size of your goal should not be something that is impossible to achieve. You cannot set a goal that I'm going to complete 100 courses in a year's time or maybe I'm going to learn five new skills in that year. You can do that again, but if you have a full time job, if you have children, if you have other people around you, that will become really difficult and you will eventually burn out. So how should you quantify it? In some cases, I love to do habit tracking. In other cases, I do it by milestones. So for example, a lot of my work involves writing and teaching and reading. So for writing, I do habit tracking, but for reading, I do milestones. A lot of for teaching also, I do a lot of milestones. For learning also, I also do, for learning, I do habit tracking. So I spend around 30, 40 minutes every day learning something new, learning that is part of my goal for the year or for that quarter. So do I have to do it? It depends. In most cases, I don't. I use a tool called Asana. So I have set days for set things and it counts when the day comes. So I know that this is the day for that item that I want to do. How soon should I self-reflect? For some cases, monthly works, for some cases quarterly, I would not recommend you to self-reflect within a week. I would not recommend you to self-reflect after the quarter because that's too much time to spend on something that you may not do again. So self-reflection, I would, minimum I would recommend you to do it in like two weeks and then maximum maybe a month or in some cases a quarter will work. If you think your tiny habit is too tiny, that's my problem also. So I make it substantial. In case of learning, I don't do one lecture or one video, I will do 30 minutes. In case of reading, I won't do one page. I will do 20 minutes. In case of walking, I won't do 10 minutes. I will do 30 minutes or four kilometers or something like that. I will make it substantial and this is why this is what makes it exciting for me. Should I count on snowballing? Yes, absolutely. It works. It works beautifully. What if my goal is not worthy of my time? You pivot. Absolutely. There's no shame in that. Consider it as an experiment. You experimented on it. It did not work out. Go ahead. Change it. You quit. And of course, whenever you feel that your context or your values change, you pivot, you change. You quit the goal, you get into something new. So here are a few things that I want you to think about when you are making a goal specific decision. Think about comparison analysis. So you compare two things and you basically set a criteria. So for example, I want to, as people and as professionals, we do tend to have a lot of goals and we can't do all of them at the same time. So what you do is that you prioritize and how do you prioritize? You do comparison analysis by comparing two things that you think you can do both, but you know you won't get time. So you set a criteria that maybe which one is generating more impact or which one makes sense at this time in my career or in my life. So if you want to pick up the one that's most, you know, that's most relevant. Then the next thing is that I really, really want you to be aware of is herd mentality. Do not get into that, because people are doing something, you don't have to do it, because everybody's setting goals, you don't have to do it. Herd mentality is kind of like you thinking like a mob and you do something because of emotional reasons and not logical reasons. So you're not thinking about your own context where you are in your life, but you are just thinking about that this is something that because everybody's doing and I have the fear of missing out on that. So I'm going to do that. So don't do that. Your time is way too precious to get into something that you have not kind of thought about properly. Some cost. So that happens, especially with product managers, because that's my profession that if we have spent certain amount of time, effort, money into something, we'll see that, oh my God, I've already spent that might as well get done with it, even though I know it's not working out just on the hope that it will work out. So some cost is something that's already gone. You can't recover that. So if you have already spent a month on doing something and it did not work out and the experiment was not a success, just let it go to not follow through, because you are going to spend more time into it and most probably no good result will come out of it. Of course, learning will come out of it, but again, whatever you were thinking, whatever your goal was initially that this is what I'm going to get out of this habit, this ritual, this goal, you know, it doesn't, it won't work. Then action virus. So we tend to overvalue, not overvalue, but maybe we tend to favor action over an action. So we just want to do something to feel in control. Think about that as well, because you have limited energy and limited time. Just because you think that you are not doing anything, you just find something to do. This is a problem that I also have. And I keep on trying to be mindful of that. And my family also reminds me that I overvalue action and a lot of times that action is not turning into something substantial and I still go ahead with it. So I think about this as well. And then last is confirmation bias. So we tend to unintentionally, we find information that confirms our beliefs for our mindset. So if you want to pursue a goal or pursue a skill or pursue career or whatever you want to pursue, you will tend to find information that confirms what you already believe. Most of the time we do it unintentionally. Sometimes we do it intentionally. So you have to be mindful of that as well. So when we are doing goal specific decision making, what we need to do is we need to make sure that we are not sticking to something because of some cost. We are not doing it because others are doing it because we are not taking an action just because we want to feel in control. And then of course we have to think about the impact on our health on our happiness on our financial state on our life overall. And then comparison works but make sure that your criteria is defined, you know why you are measuring these two things and what you want to get out of it. And of course, you have to make sure that when you are looking for evidence to prove what you would already believe in, look for the evidence that disprove what you believe in. And I think that is going to really help. So a few things, a few do's for you, create a master list. So I have a master list and ironically it calls chaos. And chaos because it has a lot of chaos in it. So many things that I wanted to do so many things that, you know, so many ideas that I have. So I have another sheet that I call a brain dump. And that also have a lot of, you know, things that I think I would invest my I would invest my time in the future, you create categories so help. So health, happiness, finance, spirituality, intellectual. You know, whatever, whatever is important to you, you prioritize either by, you know, comparing two things or to see which one makes more sense in in your context. And of course, you also make sure that you don't overveil yourself so you pick four goals or five goals a year and not more than that I would say just pick four goals a year, not more than that. So in my head, it should be all about symmetry so there are four quarters of four goals. This is what I have in mind. You said milestones and so milestones for every quarter so that you can measure it. My milestones also include also include that I would say that if I have to do something daily and I have achieved five to seven times a week that that's a success. That's something that I want to do, I've achieved my goal 100%. So you can do that. Habit tracking, get a bullet journal, get a notebook, do that. You can also use a tool. I'm a big fan of technology in that sense. So of course, definitely. Pre-order reviews, I do a quarterly review in most cases because I've been following this process for a long time but in your case maybe if you're starting new, you can do it a monthly review. It's very, very honest of yourself. If you don't enjoy something, if you don't like something, if something is not impactful, if you find it boring, you know, be honest with yourself that I don't enjoy this. I don't enjoy it at all. So I went to, I went to a class to basically learn yoga. I don't, I didn't enjoy it. For me, the most enjoyable physical activity is work. I enjoy walking. I love walking. So this is something that I wanted to do. So joining a gym or going to, you know, go into a yoga class did not work out for me. The same goes for a lot of learning. So some sort of topics that I'm interested in, some sort of topics that make me sleep. So be honest with yourself. And then, you know, of course, if there are things that you have to do but you don't enjoy them, again, you'll have to push through them. But at the same time, you have to be honest with yourself and watch out for your biases. So confirmation bias, action bias, you know, her mentality, all of these biases you need to be mindful of them. And then put things on the back burner. This is extremely important. So not have, if something is not happening right now, just put it on the backburn, let your mind do, let your unconscious mind do its magic. And, and there's no shame in that. So, so do that. Put things on the back burner. Don'ts, don't have conflicting goals. It's going to drive your nuts. I've done that. It doesn't work out. So don't have that that is the reason that you don't have the don't want to have more goals because eventually they will conflict with each other. So do not have that. Don't overvalue yourself. If you are starting new on this journey, and you're really trying to find a system for yourself, maybe start with two goals, maybe start with three goals, not more than that. Do not get rushing yourself if something doesn't work out. It's fine. It's your time you have taken a decision it did not work out you have learned out of it. That's absolutely fine. Don't count on motivation, count on your behavior, count on habit triggers, you're going to talk about them later on. Don't be inflexible. So if something doesn't happen at a certain time, don't get frustrated out of it. Life happens. We need to make time for life as well. So that happens. Do not separate your goals from your identity. So I'm also going to touch upon that later in the talk. Do not overly plan your schedule. Life happens, things will change, something unexpected will come. So do not overly plan your schedule, make sure that you leave some time for the unexpected. Don't be afraid of taking, don't be scared of taking a break. So breaks are extremely important, and you should definitely, definitely invest in rest. You can seek for shortcuts. In most cases they don't work out or if they even work out the temporary. So, think about, think long term, think about something that creates a system for you creates a behavior for you that becomes part of your personality. So, the most important thing you have to do is optimize your environment. In my case, I, for being my most productive self for being able to think about personal growth, I need a clutter free mind. I also need an environment that induces peace. I also need an environment where there are not a lot of people around me because I'm an introvert with social anxiety. So it makes me anxious if there are a lot of people around me. So, so I'm I've optimized my environment in that way. I also have a different place for work and a different place for rest or family or personal life. So you can do that as well. Most of the days I'm so half of my day I'm working from here my office and other half I'm working from my office. So, I'm fortunate enough to have this I'm privileged enough to have a separate space to make my own office a separate room. But do that, if not, you know, create some kind of partition between your personal and personal workspace so that you know that when you're here, you're working when you're here, you're not working you're resting or you're doing anything else. And then of course you set habit triggers for me. So when every morning I get up. The first thing I do is that I will, you know, clean up, and then I will go and make tea and while I'm making tea. I'm basically planning my day in my head. I'm checking a sauna app to see what my, what I have in, you know, what I have in my intention for the day. And then I'm also going to do a few little things. I take medication for anxiety so I know where my medication is that I don't forget it. I also have triggers in the workspace I have so every morning when I come in, I turn my laptop on and the first thing I do is I go and get my, what about the field. So you set small triggers to initiate behavior and you are basically making space for other things in your head by not consciously thinking about them. So I have to figure out my walking or running shoes outside the days that I have to go go for that to make sure that I don't have to think about it. I know the shoes are there. That's my day. That's my cue to do that. The next thing you have to do is minimize decision making decision fatigue. It gets all of us. So, you have to do that by simplifying your life. In my case, I do a lot of male prepping so Sunday morning, you come to my house and you see that, you know, it's chaos of cooking because I'm cooking for the whole week. I invest a lot of time in my and making sure that during the week during the work week I do not get anything, you know, happening weirdly around the household. So whatever is required happens on the on the weekend. I also plan my week. So I have a weekly to do in my notebook and I also have my days intention planned. So I have a plan for like for the next two three months in my Asana app. I use that I use technology to make sure that I'm on track. Also, you need to decide your day ahead. So when it comes to clothing when it comes to other things you do that to make sure that you don't get tired of thinking about smaller, smaller things, things that do not have a lot of impact on your life. So then you focus on system. So you create productive rituals and habits to make sure that the system is in place. So you become it's not you being productive for a day. It's about you being a productive person. So make sure that you focus on the system of that. So once you have your own like I have my system in place. Everything becomes easier for me to kind of tweak it every year, every quarter and then, you know, do it for other things. So focus on building a system for yourself. And then make use of technology, whatever works for you to do less, create a to do less create a tool calendar blog. You can use focus apps you can do whatever you want to make use of technology to make sure that you know you're being productive. I do not like notifications on my phone. I mostly my phone is silent and it's upside down on a drawer or in a table I check it when I want to check it. I usually keep it disconnected from the internet as well because I do not want to be disturbed when I'm in that zone of working. So, so I do that I I have disabled all the notifications on my phone and someone calls me on my phone so so you do that you you basically kind of don't be slave of technology but make it, you know, something that that's useful for you. So you tweak that thing for your own context. And there are a few things to consider that I really want you to consider is to think about deep versus shallow work. This is an excellent book I've added it at the end of my talk. When you're working. So in my case I do a lot of acting a lot of thinking a lot of strategy work, a lot of research. I know that I cannot do it do that kind of work for more than for more than three or four hours in a day. I do not have the capacity to focus that much. So I know that I need to optimize that time to find that kind of schedule in my day where I'm doing that deep work without any interaction without any sort of interruptions. And then shallow work is a work that we are doing by mostly meetings mostly responding to emails mostly taking a call while cooking, you know, things we do when we can multi multitask as well listening to a podcast leaving our home, listening to a podcast and responding to an email stuff like that. So, so think about deep and shallow work and see if your goals fall into a shallow kind of work or a deep kind of work and then decide or schedule your day. Then, of course, invest in rest. I need to remind myself this again and again and again that I need to invest in rest, because burnouts are nasty, and you don't want to get into that you will get into that then Julie but you know it happens to everyone once in a while. For some people it's there for some people it's pretty, you know, often in my case it's often. So I need to remind myself to invest in rest. I am learning this and I want you to learn this as well. And then run it like an experiment if it doesn't work. That's fine you have learned something go ahead and do something completely different. I also tend to alternate between different types of course some years. The theme is about learning so this is my year of learning. Last year it was the year of financial stability so I did a lot of work to make sure that I'm financially stable and I have a savings account and I have some money for emergencies and I built an emergency fund and stuff like that so this is what I did last year. This year's theme is learning so I've done a lot of learning. I've taken a lot of classes. I've taken a lot of courses so I experiment every year to find the things that I enjoy. Last year I did not enjoy what I was doing, but I did it anyway because I know that that was really really important the impact of it on my life and on my well being and on my health was huge. This year it's learning. I'm having the time of my life with that. This year it was make it your identity. Instead of you like to read, I like to read, you are a reader. Instead of I like to run. I'm a runner. Instead of, I want to be, I like to be productive. I'm a productive person. Make it your identity. That really helps it centers the, it centers everything it makes you makes you makes you want to do it more makes you want to believe it more. So, make it part of your identity. And then, whatever you are doing to find your findings. My notebook is just a mess of things that I keep on writing about writing about the things that I'm doing so how am I feeling what is the impact of it was a context what did I learn. Do I want to do it again do I not want to do again do I want to give it another try. So record your findings a few lines every day. Either you want to do some kind of exercise like morning pages, a lot of people do that. Some people journal every day. I don't I do not do that I don't do some kind of journaling every day, but I do write about my goals, because I want to record record my findings of whatever the experiments that I run. So in that time. And of course, these are five wonderful books that you should read atomic habit drive daily ritual speak performance and deep work. These are excellent books, you will really enjoy them. I'm pretty sure about that if you're if you're listening to this talk and you're interested in learning about productivity and personal growth. And thank you so much. Thank you so much for opening up and taking us through the journey of how you have planned fact, and also not written yourself for things and so glad thank you so much for sharing that. I'm just looking at the chat. There aren't any questions there. Let me also open up the question answers. There aren't any questions that I'm seeing as of now. I will request for the folks were participating. If they have any questions they can put it here. Also note that will be at a hangout area post this discussion. So you can come there as well and talk to as I want to one as well. Yeah, so just wait for any questions or anything yeah oh okay there's a question now it's a that's from an anonymous attendee. How do I come out of laziness and concentrate on goals. That's the question. Okay, so I wouldn't call anyone a lazy person until unless they just do not do anything at all in the day. A lot of times we tend to procrastinate. I do that to everybody does it. I think in any case you should in my case I do not look for shortcuts but I would love to find some kind of low hanging food for myself to motivate myself. So I think in your case, whatever you enjoy doing whatever you like doing you don't have to think about something a massive goal like I told you about my financial goal last year. It was a massive thing to do like opening up a saving account and doing this and doing that and hiring a tax consultant and accountant and a million other things. Do not start with something you start with something very very small, something that you really enjoy doing and then see what happens. Usually it's usually we feel that kind of inertia that it takes us a while to get into the, you know, groove of things but once you are in that in that zone. It's going to really help. And if you're starting on this journey, start with two goals. One is about your happiness and another is about your health that will be really really helpful for you. So, you know, I'm very open about a lot of topics one of the topic that is really close to my heart is mental health. So in this years of my goal I wanted to go to therapy six times a year. I've done that this year. That was one of the goal very simple schedule an appointment, go to therapy every alternate month. And that's it. That's the goal. So you have to find something and it's extremely important for me because I'm an anxiety person to go and talk to someone. So, do that, find something that is easy find something that is a low hanging fruit and go ahead with that. Thank you for that. There are more questions coming up. Parul Bhargava is asking. What do you, what do you mean? Okay, I don't know. What do you mean by keeping mean I think is the word by keeping things in back burner. Could you give us some examples. Yeah, that's a very good question. So, so what I do in most cases that I do not jump on things as they come to me. So in most cases you'll see that an idea comes to you and you get really excited about it and you just even without thinking about the time that it will take or what's going to be the end goal or the impact of it we just jump on that idea. That's not how I'm over the years I've got to function in a different way. So if an idea comes to me, I'm going to think about it, write about it, put it on the back burner, until I'm absolutely sure that this is something that I want to do. So this is how I do not have a lot of unfinished projects. So if I've started something I'm mindful about my time I'm mindful about the thing that I'm going to finish it. If you have ideas about your goals about learning about scale about improving something, write them down, definitely write them down, write them, write, write your thought process behind it and let it sit there, let it sit there for a while. So as my dad would say sleep on it for a while and you will know if it's worth doing or not. So you put it on the back burner and then you eventually figure it out that this is something that I really want to do. I something that I mentioned about a financial goal or a learning goal. So for this year, I had like a whole list of things that I wanted to learn. I wanted to learn specifically, specifically, South Indian cooking, because my daddy was from there. I wanted to learn Mexican cooking. So I did that I recently completed a course on that I but again this is not related to work this is not related to product management or technology. So I wanted to make sure that I do that. So this idea was in my head for three years, but I wanted to find the right time to do that so rather than jumping directly on spending money on a very expensive class on that. I would just put it on the back burner, let it similar there and then put it up back up when when I think the time is right. Thank you for that. And we have about 12 minutes to go through. So I'll quickly go to the next one. It's by an anonymous attendee. How do you handle too many meetings in a day. That's a problem. That's a problem everywhere, especially in remote work. So in my case, if there is an listening meeting, I make sure that I have just two of them. If I'm meeting that I have to contribute to and I have to talk, then, then one meeting a day. That's how I do usually, but there are days when it doesn't work out. I make sure that I do not plan any kind of deeper creative work. And I do tend to kind of move the schedule around because as I told you that time blocking is not something that I can do because of the chaos around me all the time. So what I tend to do is I, if there are days in the week that I'm meeting this today is my meeting day, because I'm meeting the content part of the team and I'm meeting my product team and I'm meeting, I'm here right now as well. So I do not have a lot of, you know, creative or a lot of deeper plans for the day. Because if I do that, I'm going to be really tired and I won't be able to give my 100%. And also in cases, in cases where you can say no to a meeting and just instead write an email to that, go ahead and do that. I'm infamous for writing long emails. So, go ahead. Thanks for that. Moving on to the next question. It's again anonymous. I have a problem of procrastination. I tend to avoid the major work and do the not important work. I do other things faster. How can I get over it is the question. Yeah, I usually set internal deadlines for making sure that I don't do that. Interestingly, when you procrastinate, and you're doing other things, your mind is still thinking about the main work that you want to do. So in a lot of cases you will see that when the deadline will approach which will become extra productive and get it done. So in that case, set internal deadlines for you. And so from the beginning, I am the kind of a person who would study at the last time. And my mom used to get very mad about it. My husband tells me that he hates people like me because we do everything at the last moment and we do it well. So again, there are few few people like this that this thing work for them because in their mind again, the thing is on the back burner. They constantly thinking about it while doing other things. And when they sit down, they know what they have to do. What I do is that I break it down. I am going to spend for example, I have a major goal. So currently I have around in my list today I have to review a very major document that's going to go to a client. I have a whole week for it. I'm going to do a few pages every day. And this is what I do to make sure that you know I don't just overwhelm myself. Procrastination is not a bad thing until unless it starts affecting your life. So don't kind of get yourself on that everybody does that if there's no person in the whole world that doesn't procrastinate. But you need to set it on deadlines to make sure that you do things on time and put it on your schedule. So put it on it on your to move for the list. If you're writing it by hand if you're putting it on the fridge if you're putting it on your sticking out on the table do it put it there. Yes, thank you for that. Another anonymous question. What would be our strategy if the growth setting keeps failing continuously due to a tough work schedule. How do we keep ourselves motivated is the next question. Yeah, this also happens especially with tech technology jobs because we tend to have very crazy schedules and the work pressure is a lot and in most cases people don't have the energy to do anything else after work. Give yourself a break. Don't don't push yourself give yourself a break you're going to burn out otherwise and again start with one thing just one goal that you have fixed for the whole year that this is one thing that I'm going to do the whole year. That's it that's my goal other than taking care of my family other than working or going to my nine to five or whatever job that I do. This is one thing that I'm going to do for myself and then you do it and make sure that you understand the impact of that thing. It should not be watching Netflix it should not be just sitting on the couch it should not be something completely random but something with a purpose. So maybe going for a walk for 20 minutes this is something that I want to do to clear my head after a busy day at work. One thing that you want to do that improves your life and start from there. You will start seeing the results of that you will be really motivated to do that and also also start thinking about your about your daily work. If there is any way that you can automate some of it. If there is any way that you can you know, delegate some of it or if you can simplify some of the work. Go ahead and do that. That is also really important especially in the kind of work that we do a lot of meetings a lot of communication, see ways to optimize that and find your, you know someone where you work the best. Thank you guys I think there was there was another question which is almost related to that again it is anonymous. I was talking about how to avoid procrastination while working from home. I think you did answer that before. And also there was another question that how do we then deal with goals when we're too tired and I think you mentioned go take a break. You know you can protect what you have to do. Yeah, moving on to another question. We have a few more two more to go. Bad habit of thinking a lot before taking any actions. And sometimes I missed the time for the activity how do we improve is the question. Yeah, that's analysis analysis that also happens that you keep on thinking about it. So you, this is again, this is not something life altering right if you're thinking too much about it. Do you think it's big enough decision that you're spending so much time thinking about it. In most cases, just run it run it like an experiment okay I'm going to try this if it works out well enough if it doesn't work out well enough. So, I think that is required a lot of times we overthink because we are scared of not enjoying it or scared of not being able to do it well. If you don't do it well that is also fine. It's a goal, a goal, this kind of goal is a commitment between you and yourself. There is no one else. You don't have to publicly announce it you don't have to put it out in social media you don't have to tell your family it's a commitment yourself if it doesn't work out that is fine. You know shame yourself or get yourself. And in most cases, when we are overthinking something a lot and excessively. This is something that we think will going to impact our life positively but it doesn't because there is a part of our mind telling us that I don't think it's worth my time should I think it through should I think more about it. So do that run it give yourself three days I'm going to do it for three days and see what happens I'm going to do it for a week and see what happens. And then see if, and I've done that as well so when when you go to shopping you try things on to see if they fit you. So in cases of goals I've also done that so I've tried something and see that. So when I started doing a lot of online learning and online teaching, I started with one class to see if it is something that I enjoy. And I really enjoyed it, I went ahead with it. But there are things that I don't enjoy and then I pull myself back out of it. This is not something that that's worth my time because there is so much resistance from who I am as a person that it's not worth it. Moving on to the next question again is anonymous. How can one develop a mindset that keeps identifying and addressing the subconscious biases. That's also very tricky and it's an excellent question. You reminding yourself that we are all inherently biased. And when you are taking a decision in your, you should have a checklist in your head that I have checked my decision for these biases. In my case, action bias and confirmation bias are going to be the death of me, because in most cases I will just choose to jump on something without thinking it through that that's a problem that I also have. So when I'm taking a decision, I remind myself that am I doing it because I just want to do something or I really, I think that's that's going to be useful. And the second is that you think about the data that you have gathered for making that decision. Are you just looking for data that confirms what you've already thought or believe on. In other cases, I will basically find a person who would say that that's a terrible idea of as a don't do that. And then the conversation will start from there, what they have to say about it, or I will, you know, start looking for data that disproves what I have in mind and then this will open you up for for better thinking. So in that case, create a checklist for yourself on paper, maybe that every time I take a decision, these are the four things that I'm going to kind of recheck in my head to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. Last question. I'm conscious that we just have three more minutes. If you don't have a separate place to work and kids constantly disturb you because they are too small. How can you manage it? Oh boy, I don't have kids. So my answer won't be a good answer for this. But that's a problem. That is a problem, especially when working from home. In my household, we are just three adults. So I don't face that but this this happens. What I've seen a lot of women around me doing is that they basically kind of take their kids in confidence in a lot of cases that this is, you know, your mom or your dad is working right now. And I leave this time and then you know, after that I've also seen people scheduling their time around their kids schedule. So, you know, when they're at school or at daycare or this and that. I'm really not sure about about this because I don't have any experience in this. Sorry about that. Thank you. Thank you for being honest with that. Thank you for that. So that's all the question that we have guys thank you so much for asking this question for accommodating all of them.