 Yeah, now it's yeah now if this is working, okay, okay very good So as I was saying good afternoon very good to be to be back as you know I was in the United Arab Emirates and after that immediately thereafter in Cairo And I arrived just one hour ago from Cairo But during this Trip visits to these two very important countries for the IAEA At the same time I was negotiating with Iran and as you know there was There were we had these developments on on the issues around Carriage and the cameras and I felt of course that you know as as It is already become Our habit to to get together and discuss what what happened and why it happened and I felt that I Should do it again. I didn't know whether there would be interest after two days But apparently you still have questions and I would be I would be happy to to take them but but before doing that I Thought that since we've been Talking about the cameras and what the problems around the cameras are I thought I would I would show you the cameras Can we open this? It's open and I will explain exactly What the issue is this is the camera. This is that cameras the type of cameras that The IEA has all over the world This these are the cameras that we have all over the world. We have more than thousand approaching to 2000 cameras like this all over the world and this type of camera is the camera that we needed to Replace in fact the cameras plural that we needed To replace I will let you know see how do you open this? I like this Yeah, these are the cameras What you can see here, of course, this is the lens They are installed normally as any camera that you would see and here the interesting thing is what you see here is the module This is the module inside of which you have the the storage the memory card that has the information and the The images, okay, I mean say good for example Video live video that's good live video. So you will see anyway So these were the cameras that were damaged and What it's important and perhaps you you may have questions about them and how how they work These cameras cannot be tampered with These cameras are under seals although, you know in Now the seals are not the type of traditional seal We would have like this for our equipment now simply when you close it If if you if you open it immediately shows that it has been opened has been tampered with so these cameras cannot be violated by anybody Okay Yes Sorry, these cameras are commercially available Of course, of course, it's not that you take them off the rack and you put them in an installation There is the work that we do that our experts the mr. Apparos team do inside here the kind of memory the kind of encryption That that they have and also the fact that The images that are that come here are digitalized cannot be You remember like in the movies when people put Footage that does not correspond with reality. What was it September 11 or one of those ocean 11? September 11 was something different Ocean 11 So you cannot do that It's it's it's information that is It's you cannot violate basically, all right So these are the IEA cameras And I felt it would be interesting after talking about cameras for so long that you will have an idea so Having seen what was this all about we can I can take your questions or in the sense of What was agreed or whatever may be of interest for you? Thank you Je représente la chaîne américaine en langue arabe Qui a le droit de voir vraiment les images les photos est-ce que c'est vrai que ceux les iraniens ils ont dit qu'on va pas donner à l'agence internationale tous les images que après l'accord avec les quatre plus cinq Oui plus un je vous réponds français ou un anglais pour tout le monde vous comprenez l'anglais si j'ai Anglais oui alors je vais répondre anglais oui So what he was asking me for those who do not speak French is about the images who can see them Because he heard and our Iranian counterparts have reiterated that We are not going to be shown these images if you remember the installation of cameras and other methods of monitoring Where agreed in my trip of February past and at that time Iran accepted that we would have some additional means of Monitoring and verification in some additional places apart from those that are covered by the by the comprehensive safeguards agreement traditional type and And it was part of a negotiation The negotiation being that we would be able to continue to register the information here but as the Normal I would say Gesture on our side to allow this to happen. We said okay the information can stay in Iran But it's still under our Seals so it's mine if I can put it like that But I can't see it and at some point Ideally ideally when the JCPOA agreement is restored then Right Hi, they have a fear from sky news Arabia. My question will be on Now we're hearing from Iran that they are not gonna give you any of these footage before Lifting the sanctions. Is this something you officially been told about? Are those plans or agreement been affected or? And the other question is on on the United States of America as well They are they're not happy about the agreement you signed with with with Iran They said it's it's less than what you achieved in the previous Agreements what what's your take on well your question? Thank you for the question. The question is more or less what the gentleman said and maybe It is put in a different way the information will be shared with us the moment there is an agreement and One of the ideas is that the agreement will come with the such the sun sanctions are lifted So I suppose it's a different way To express the same idea, which is once there is an agreement Once there is an agreement. This is what I agree. Let's not forget one thing This thing is an agreement between the IEA and Iran right, so When Iran and the IEA Agree to it. We will have access to this information the the precondition or the the assumption upon which This agreement was signed was that it would happen when there is an agreement and I suppose the agreement will come when the Sanctions are lifted, but that's for other people to decide it's for the other negotiation And the other thing about the United States. I haven't heard that really nobody from the United States have told me that they are dissatisfied with the agreement I Reached with Iran on the cameras Thank you very much DG for giving us the opportunity to ask questions My first question would be There's one concern that you don't have access to to the memory cards The other concern is the potential gap in the continuity of knowledge That potentially exists for almost three months from maybe the end of June until you now have access to replace the cameras How concerned are you about this gap and can you still guarantee that nothing is being Diverted and the second issue I would be interested in is once You have access to the courage facility apart from replacing the cameras. Will you be able to verify? Any potential activity at the facility. Thank you many questions in one, but but let me go one by one first of all the idea of Concern is I think some something I I never Head on the contrary. I said it in all words in my reports that I was really concerned Really concerned and this is why I have been insisting ever since my visit in last September I think it was when we agreed to Do all the servicing and and and replace all the equipment and this part did not happen for garage I expressed that concern because of the second of what we said what you said in the second part of your question, which is the the Danger that we would be losing Indispensable information of course that concern exists but number one To start mitigating that concern the first thing you have to do is to put the cameras back first thing And this we are going to do and it's very important the second problem or the second issue is this gap like you said this Delta that you have from the moment that the cameras that were stopped until now and For that as I have also indicated We have ways to try to reconcile the facts on the ground With what Iran is going to be telling us soon. We will when we go back We will go back. We will see certain activity and we don't forget that this is a facility that we know very well We know the kind of equipment That is and when you know an equipment and when you are familiar with a production Chain a production line, you know, how much this normally produces Given the normal circumstances, you know, how much has been installed, you know, how much they declare so you can the experts working for The agency are going to be receiving this information and making their own assessment. I'm trying to put the jigsaw puzzle Puzzle together, so it's not impossible. It's more difficult because there has been a Loss and you cannot make up for that loss But in this case in in verification in safeguards, we have we have many ways We have many methodologies. We have many approaches, which in some cases involve the the the images the the raw material if you wish but also Analysis projections modeling that can help us Put the story back together So I don't know if that Explains more or less. Yeah Yes, I brought him from Iran International. I have several questions as well if I may Actually, the first one is is there any formal agreement between IAEA and Iran on Karajan, is there was there any reason that you didn't issue a joint statement with the Iranian? The second question is that if you're presenting Model of these cameras today Iranian does that mean that you're officially helping the Iranian judicial and security team to investigate about what happened inside Iran The other question is that about about your recent remark. You usually say It's a sophisticated and ambitious program like Iran's program doesn't Go with the usual safeguard agreements. Do you Need or do you suggest that there there should be some new agreement between Iran and IAEA Which could be included in the talks, okay? So let's go one by one because there's a lot and I don't want to forget any any element first of all You said why not a joint statement? Well, as you know when I when I traveled to Iran very recently We worked on a joint state statement and as I said at the time our our talks were inconclusive This is the word I chose We were not able to finish it As I had expected The Iranian side themselves they recognized that it was a matter of a couple of things and so ever since We have been working and talking and exchanging The fact that we didn't have a joint statement is because I could not travel in time the here The the most important thing was to do it fast For me that was a big concern that I had I wanted to to have my cameras back as soon as possible so we agreed in my conversations with the president of the Tomic Energization of Iran that we would be exchanging and Trying to come to either a joint statement or the way in which we did it which is Document of the agency a Govim Which is a type of document that we have official where I state that we agreed on the elements that are part of of the agreement so It's it's a different vehicle if you want it's not a joint statement But it's an agreement with them the second thing that you were asking was whether this would mean that we would be allowing the judiciary or the security institutions of Iran to To work on these cameras. I think this is very important As you may have seen in the agreement we have agreed to give them To allow them to observe these cameras as I was saying when when when let me open this Well, it won't you won't open up, but the important thing is that first of all, this is not new It has been done in the past It's part of the practice when you are going to be inspecting a country and putting Equipment it is they are legitimate right to say well, I want to have a look what are you going to put there? And this is Standard practice and this is what we are going to do of course they they cannot touch it without us Allowing that this is why this is a very Protocolized I would say operation where my inspectors are there The Iranian inspectors may ask to see something to open maybe this this module that I show to you So I don't know it will depend on what they what they want to what they want to see So we don't have a problem. We never had a problem in doing that and there's nothing extraordinary About that and then we you had a final point, but I don't remember which I just wanted to know is that a part of Helping Iranian to investigate on what happened inside the carriage facility attack or just for the no it's different With regards to what happened before It's up to them what they are doing or what they are investigating. I don't have any any say In that Apart from when it has to do with my equipment the equipment of the agency Which they can only access in the presence and under the supervision of the inspectors So this is the past for the future what you do is this you let them have a look Let me put it in very colloquial terms. You let them have a look To make sure I mean if they want to make sure that there is nothing there that would be a compromise for their security or Anything of the of the show so I hope that satisfies your Of also Murphy from Reuters IDG and since we have this prop Could you there's a lot of one issue with these cameras is the dated data storage medium So can you show us where that is exactly? The data storage medium is here Okay, so it's that whole box This is the module the whole module good and and the data storage is here and what I didn't say this This is these are the batteries here Okay, it's part here the black part here. Okay, so What your agreement with Iran doesn't address is the issue of the missing data storage medium from the camera that was Destroyed that you saw the remnants of First of all, did you come to any understanding with Iran on that not yet? No, okay, and so Is it in any in any way? Understandable to you how that might have disappeared as part of this in this sabotage is that credible that it would have Simply vanished we have we have doubts about that and this is why we are asking them Where is it? So and I'm hopeful they are going to come up with an answer because it's very strange that it disappears Yeah Hello Arjen with the voice of America. Yeah, I believe you have answered a couple of the questions I had that all right it is standard practice for the country to inspect the cameras And also with respect to the answer gift to Stephanie regarding how you're going to put together The the missing information that you have because you've said that The information is very necessary for you to be able to deliver to the delegations who are negotiating Because they have to consider what's there what's not there and you know what they need to consider Yeah, so is there a margin of error probably in in your assessment without very small very small and About you want past activities Is there any agreement on that I mean yes You're gonna be talking about them But how do you think do you believe you may get your answers finally after two years in that regard? Well, I must keep trying So far we haven't been successful true like you say for almost two years and In fact your question is very pertinent because In the context of the joint statement that never was We were also addressing that in some way But unfortunately since we were not able to see each other again We decided to set this aside But we are going to be starting that conversation again in the very near future so, you know my my Obligation is to keep pushing and to try to get these clarifications as soon as possible They are these are serious things that need to be clarified. I said it. I said it many times If you like this time you may get more answers. I wish I knew Hello, it's better from a sharp news Excuse me for my questions is this camera easily to be damaged I and by what can be damaged easily and Another questions we've heard from the Iranian atomic energy that will be another agreement with you Within a month any comment in that another agreement with me with the agency within a month Well, this has to do with what madam you were just asking now. I think We are going we have been really trying to focus on these outstanding issues Including by trying to set some not deadlines because that is a little bit, you know in practical because in this kind of Investigations and processes one question leads to the other and and you you don't know exactly How long it will take but for us there is a big sense of Urgency it's been like you were saying Two years in some cases a bit less but since we started putting questions on this on these places So we are going to be trying to be as focused and as efficient as possible regarding the physical damage The physical damage is a function of what you see Of course these cameras are not supposed to Resist the impossible if there is an earthquake of the or if there is some Explosion or whatever they are not prepared for that and it's not the idea they have a case as you can see which is pretty sturdy this thing is quite heavy and in fact The lens and and the module and the battery are not so this is basically a pretty solid You know protection that it has but of course it is not something that is there as You know an all-resistant Kind of of protection Sorry Even by the cyber attack no cyber attack is not possible because this is not connected to You know one of the ways to protect This I think is a very good question is to of course you could if you if you would like to but in this case This camera is in in a sort of a isolation it Records the information it registers the information and then when you finish with the operation then our inspectors retrieve it and analyze it But it's not connected to any greed or to any there's no cabling to to some computer Somewhere, okay Albert OT DPA chairman press agency a question about the cameras going going beyond Courage now You said and we all know that the IA cannot retrieve the data Until there is an agreement on the JCPOA in that that only Apply to the data collected in courage or to the data from camera collected at all nuclear installations Very good question. We We have the I would say two-thirds of the cameras that we have in Iran are Related to the comprehensive safeguards agreement, which is applicable in all circumstances And and As I was saying in the beginning of our conversation There were some additional means of Monitoring that were allowed to be installed as a result of my February 2020 trip so The cameras that are affected by this is courage and other places as well Okay, it's not only courage that were added if you want or or kept Which is also another way to put it from the old JCPOA days but the bulk of our Verification equipment is permanent and continues to run Hello Looking at how Iran has seen this agreement Iran says that by allowing the agency to reinstall these cameras at the site And this coming after this sabotage attack that's being blamed on Israel Iran says it's showing its good will beyond its safeguards Commitments to allow for progress in the Vienna talks I was wondering if that's the same vein that you see this move by Iran How do you personally assess this agreement that was reached and its effects on the talks and have you been in contact with any For instance e3 representatives on how this is actually having an impact on the process of the Vienna talks. Thank you Thank you very much. Well, I'm in contact with everybody all the time Today yesterday all the time with him all Iran the e3 China Russia all of them so In terms of the effect how this is seen or judge is a subjective questions the question that you're putting to me So I wouldn't know how the e3 take it or how others take it I will say something this was for me when you ask about me I was concerned about the ability of the agency to provide as full a picture as it's needed To have a clear idea of what is going on there Which at the same time Of course Indispensable for the JCPO a negotiation, but it's not something which is done because of or as a way to of course It has a any agreement in life is an agreement. It's not that this agreement so an agreement In and by itself is a constructive thing. It's a way to say okay. We were not seeing eye to eye now We see eye to eye on This on the cameras in garage Sorry Again going back to what Albert was talking about and this sort of Kind of black box arrangement you have you have with Iran on the JCPO a monitoring equipment. Yeah So it's now 10 months since you had access to any of these recordings right you reach this deal Yeah, February right so it isn't the value of these of these recordings diminishing over time Isn't there a point where it's this is simply no longer sustainable for you? How do you how do you view that? Sorry, just since I'm only gonna get one shot to another so then there's also What you mentioned before about being able to reconstruct what happened in this gap Are you saying that you can do that without access to the recordings? Something else you're going to be using in the interim or you simply waiting to have access to this data Which could take years for for all we know And then the one small under small small point at the end of your agreement you mentioned or the your announcements, right? You mentioned extra technical steps that will be taken by the end of the year. It's very vague It was wondering what what what is that is that something, you know innocuous or what do we talk about? No, it's not innocuous It's it's important and it's the servicing of the equipment memories batteries Some other things which are very very very important Oh, so it's so you've agreed to install But hang on the end of the year is very soon because you said you're gonna install these cameras in the coming days And then there's something else that happens before the end Well, as I was just saying there are other cameras There are other means of of monitoring that we have which need to be serviced Equipment beyond yeah beyond beyond courage and your other question Is I think you you you answer it yourself? It's you know first it cannot take years This is if you remember Francois I described this in the past as a stop cap this additional Capabilities that we have in pending as an IOU It's something that works for some time And then it it doesn't mean that the information there loses value the information has value but the The the whole operation in the way which it was conceived it was conceived as a bridge Towards something and that cannot be very a very long bridge Obviously you've been saying that since February, so I'm wondering I'm wondering like as of what point is this whole exercise a few times Well, I think this is very difficult to say but not impossible to assess It's a matter that here yes of Very intimate relationship with the JCPO a negotiation and this is not in my court Has in Zito knew sorry from Artie Arabic Arabic Based on In addition of installing the cameras will the IAF will have permanent inspectors or Observers in Tehran we do have in Iran we do have you will keep this many On the we are we are there all the time Okay The it seems like the main question is the trust and mutual trust between the IEA and the other parties and Iran Have you achieved that that trust do you trust Iran when it says that its program is purely civilian and not military? Second question as director general of the IEA and the talks are ongoing here in Vienna Will you be able to recommend that the sanctions will be lifted sooner than later so that we can move forward? Yeah Important important topics on the issue of trust. I you know, I trust everybody, but I verify everybody That's the nature of my job, you know that and the trust is something that you build with time This is why a couple of months ago when I was not able to see the foreign minister and others I was insisting I didn't have any Pride in that or any false sense of pride because we needed to get to to get to to know each other And to be able to have a direct line like in like in normal life And this was not happening now. We are starting to build up a relation, but in any case I'm the IEA I'm not a friend or a foe I'm the international inspectorate So everything we do must be based on inspection. It's the only way forward regarding the sanctions is a political question I hate to say I never say it's not for me that question, but this question is not for me Thank you very much to each of you say a lot. Maybe you ask you answer the question But I photograph and I missed the baby answer. Yes You agreed about the the courage facilities. What about the other facilities? It is we can say it is a start a progress after the agreement with the only courage you can change the other cameras or other storage the Other you know, this was the only place where I have not been able to Do what I needed to do in the other places Everything was more or less in order So I didn't have a problem in the case of garage because the cameras had been destroyed and Needed to be replaced. It was not a matter of replacing the memory or changing the battery servicing in the jargon. It was a matter of coming there Doing some some work putting up new cameras prepare them etc etc and we Had a problem there and this is when this whole discussion Which has lasted for three months Unfortunately started back in September and now we are going to do it very soon When you install the cameras at cash in the past were they checked by the Iranians were they inspected onsite? When I installed the cameras when I when I installed initially Yeah, when they were installed were they inspected by the Iranians at that time This one's yes. Yes. It's it's pretty it's pretty standard Practice because the investigation that they're wrapping up now in Iran Suggests that they believe there was something in one of the cameras that caused the incident And that that's why they're insisting that would you go through this one? I don't know about this, but I can tell you is that is of course absurd It is absurd to believe or to say that the IAA cameras Will be part of some sort of sabotage that is number one number two this Cameras do not have any transmitter any beacon That can be used in the way that it was alleged so I You know I try to Restrain myself because that irritates me enormously the idea that somebody can be saying that the IAA can be part of something like this I don't think I don't mean to irritate you. I'm sorry. I don't know you don't irritate me It's those to say that no, I understand I don't think they're saying directly IAA but they're saying somebody who may have had access to these cameras They're investigating still but they said they're coming to a file remember what I said This is impossible first of all It's impossible because there is no transmitter they can check it before We put it and secondly because as I was saying, you know the moment you want to tamper with it The moment you open it. It's registered. You know exactly what happened who did it So it is it is simply impossible My sorry one follow-up question Yeah, it's impossible to do your job properly at the workshops or any of the facilities without cameras present I Would say it would be almost impossible. I mean you can have other ways by visiting by drawing inventories in the old-fashioned way If you want but no, I would say that cameras and as other electronic means of Monitoring are indispensable for modern safeguards of practice Hello. Thank you so much for your answers. I'm Mohammed Shakir from Octa TV, Austria We heard some unofficial reports from some countries about unknown places in Iran for atom activities and my question is did you have any Negotiate with JCPOA or with Iran or Agency has any plan about these reports. We don't have any we don't have any information about Hidden locations or other places where activities could be taking place I will start to need to wrap up. So, please if you have any important Important question happy to Stephanie yes Thank you so much. So this is Stephanie Liechtenstein again I'm a freelancer and I have a follow-up question to what I asked you before So so since you still have access regular access to the Fordo facility nuclear plant Could you confirm or can you say? That the advanced centrifuges that are all being operated there Being produced or have come from the garage facility. Is that a way for you to? It's it's it would be a logical conclusion Okay, hi Jordi from I have a very short difficult question. Maybe we who are following is for many years Honestly, I was not we were not surprised that you have a deal now So it seems like Iran is playing with his agreement is you are it's a bargaining chip in negotiation Or is it a sign of the day some kind of movement towards an agreement? What's your? Well, you know, yes people talk about this a pattern of For me to be honest, I can have personal opinions But for me what's important is that I have the equipment in place and One can have a speculation about when this happened and why and the timing of of it But all I can say is that it wasn't easy And so I was not discounting that there would be there would be an agreement So the important thing is that the cameras are going to be back in a few days Thank you very much, thank you You want to