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Hashtag is white in the morning. Oh, you're already talking to me. Alright, let's do that. But let's say hi to our families first. How are you? Fine. Oh, I like that. Yeah, I was waiting for this. Where do we start from? Hi sir. What is your name? Okay, my official name is Seth. Okay, my official name is Seth Richard. Then I'm an artist. I'm a student. I'm also a model. Okay, on social media you can follow me on Instagram and Facebook. Arshan Kelshizzi. Sorry, Shizzi. I'm starting the video. After this. Now same. The coming. I'm a comedian. I'm a Master, I'm an MC, and above all, I'm a child of God. My social media handles are Voke, underscore Buddha, underscore Voke, underscore Bazengo on Instagram, Twitter, Voke Buddha, on Facebook, Kevin Orinda. Queen, how are you feeling about your two panellists? They look nice. They're between me. Have you told her she looks nice, Chris? Yeah. You have? Have you? She's also looking amazing. Thank you. That was the first thing. We'll talk after this. Thank you. What's your good name? My name is Nina Mudibo, and I'm a student at Kenya Coast National Protector. What do you study? Actually, I'm studying media. So, in the right place. Where do we get you on social media? On Facebook, I'm Nina Mudibo. That's where I can get me. Only on Facebook? You don't like the Gram or Twitter? I'm still been chatting. It's okay. Nothing but a thing. So, I hear you guys are talking to us already on at Facebook, at 254 on Facebook, at 25410 on Twitter. Hashtag is what in the morning. So, the question is, do you think your degree is useless, or is there really a value to your degree? And by degree, I mean you go to school, a university or college or whatever, and you get a certificate at the end. Is it valuable still at this point in time? We have Byron Okos, his education is the heartbeat of enlightenment. Thus, Watcha ni klia strut. Education is the heartbeat of enlightenment. Thus, it can't be useless at any level. Knowledge acquired and the skills put one at a given position that can enable him or her to think outside the box. Well, what we lack in Kenya is standard competency levels to enable qualified candidates to get jobs in what they are suitable at. We witness a rotten locus system full of tribalism, nepotism, favoritism, and clannism that are very detrimental to the purpose of education. We... We'll mend a shulek and see you. Sophirus is always present. Nowadays, it depends with your luck. I never concentrate on school since there is no job after all. God has the plan for everyone's life. Wow, that's deep. Alright, so Sophirus still says again, I do think that school equips us with skills, not just certificates. That's why I had no other choice but to go to school. And what do you think about talent? I want to be... I want to be like me. Okay, Joseph Boyo says sincerely speaking nowadays, degrees at most have no values. It depends on how lucky you are. And Joseph again says, hard work, but you must be lucky. Without luck, even your hard work will lead you to nothing at all. We... What am I talking about? Blessed Mary Lynn says, they only have value if you have connections. Otherwise, after graduation, you'll have to put your certificate aside and become a hustler too bad. Else senior says it depends on the people you connect with. After college, you need to have people or you need to have money to corrupt people. That's why corruption is important. People for you to get a job even after spending thousands in college. And else senior says again, Y-2-5-4, arguably... corruption is a requirement, lol. Eman James says, Good morning Eman James. Most of them will graduate. They think that what they are doing is what they want to do. Wow. Del's Y-cliffs. In this current Kanyalizima we are going to talk about Dominic and Jerry's watching KakaMega. Wait, wait, wait. He said. He said. Hey! I might be the assistant for that one but thank you so very much. Do not be afraid, do not be shy. You are not too late, you can still comment Y-2-5-4 on Facebook and Twitter hashtag is Y-in-the-money. Do you feel that a degree is useless? On the other hand, a degree is useful. On the other hand, a degree is useless. You know, just like Eman James has said, if you have money, you can use it to start up a business. Some people say, if you have a degree, you can do it. If you have a degree, you can do it. If you have a degree, you can do it. You can start up a business by making mandazis in the estate and make money. Instead of working at home, you can start up a business in Nairobi and start a venue in Umboya where you can start up a business. There is a generation who is a fan of me and I am going to squeeze in the future, because I am a Mamboga. So as much as yes, I applaud what you are saying and it is very practical. We are not going to keep the money, but I am sure you will see the University of Siji who will give you the money. No, you will not be able to do it, just tell me the truth. No, you will not be able to. I am going to start up a business and I am going to start up a business and I am going to start up a business and I will start up a business. What is the purpose of this business? Okay, it depends on the job after your school it is just more or less the same as Bahati and it depends on what you are doing. Okay, it depends on the degree it depends like I am a civil engineer. So if there are so many civil engineers in Kenya but what will make me get that job with my degree is how I do things. I must do things differently from other engineers. That is when I will get the opportunity to find a civil engineer like I have my personal skills. Give me an example. Okay, when it comes to the practical work you can find that see what it is to do with a degree but you can find a civil engineer very uniquely very uniquely there is a personal skill outside of school yeah I have very many things to say about that but first you tell me For me, there is more to a degree for you to beat an employment so you get that you have to work extra hard once you get the degree you have to be exposed have engaged in a lot of training but taking the course you are working on from there you can get exposed and come out in a different way because I like that most of what we learn in class are basically theoretical so when you go out there you are expected by your employer to do the best to work as you have trained not as what you have on your papers so there is more to that degree than just a mere certificate I like the way you are saying mere but in school when you go out there you have to take exams and you have to go out there you have to take exams you have to get a degree but you don't know how to do things because of that you have to get a degree because you are not exposed and you don't know how to do things so you have to get a degree to talk about then you don't know what next okay we have a couple of questions coming in Dennis Mofula from Busea says I think the high population is to blame what is this what is this what is this what is this what is this and this is actually something very legit like I've had someone telling me the moment I graduated what was the reserve water and she doesn't know it does not have employment yet please abed I graduated so if you have a degree he has papers and I kid you not not a day pass is happy you see if you have a father or my children or whoever's children it's just that they are close knit community and he is the first degree holder as Africans as Africans me what I can say I can support what the deputy president said the other day you know what people go to campuses they finish their degrees they do masters up to PhD and they are still not getting jobs so deputy presidents say that technical universities technical university of Mombasa University of Kenya they are skilled maybe catering and accommodation maybe civil engineering they are skilled if you are skilled you want to get job direct they get a treatment direct and they get job because they are skilled but if you have a degree you want to work under you want to work under somebody wrote everything I have done this and that's the first time I have seen that yeah you want to say something actually I want to say something because in this life we get that most people who are employed are those who have degrees knowing others are those who went with are in technical technical institute those who are exposed those who have skills so in my own opinion I prefer that most those who are doing degrees they get skills they get training so that they get exposed in this field what is this exposure that you keep talking about like she is trying to say you be most skilled on the practical things for instance I am a civil engineer so on the field work I should be perfect on the theory work I should also be perfect for me to fit in the society for me to fit in what I want to do in that even if I get a job one day I can do it to my perfection and I can do it in that if you see me work somewhere you will feel like you should employ me in your company there is also a way of marketing so even though I am a civil engineer if I want to do something you get interested in even if I want to do something I want to be there on the theory and practical so such a person always has a job I believe degree is very important it is very important there is a gentleman who was trending a couple of days ago he started making candles out of some wax that he used to make candles yes he used to make candles and I used to have one stick at 50 shillings and if you sell a couple of those in one day at least you are full you will be able to enjoy and I hope we are not complaining because you cannot afford to make up to sleep but if that is why you are complaining also tell me so we came up with a couple of expectations and these expectations were from people who have either just graduated or have graduated a while back whether they are employed or they are unemployed so the first expectation is job offers and recruitment will be in the numbers yes we want you we will have to throw away some offers that are beneath us because you are from a very prestigious school you will be able to get a job because it is such an important establishment and then you finish and now they want you to start sweeping maybe getting people coffee yes the first slide I have read out so maybe you can tell me what you feel about this let's start with you queen for me I would say that basically it is all about being skilled in this field so when we get those skills we are able to perfect ourselves and come out different from the rest because there is a lot of competition out there so for you to be unique you have to come with what you know you are perfect on but for instance in this field of journalism there is editing there is presentation there is a lot of production part and there is also how you TV and radio so from those skills you are going to embark on you will be able to know where are you perfect where can you perfect better when you come out unique from the rest so that is how it goes but what happens ok fine let's say you found your niche let's say Valentine is the spectacular communicatist communicator wow so I have a gift but what happens before I have that opportunity to show employer I am the one you are looking for how many years do you think people have to wait how many excellent and I say excellent journalists have volunteered for 3 years volunteer as in for years before they actually land this actual job that actually pays them what they feel they deserve after all those years of studying it is unique before you have the chance to I don't even know to blow the market even before where do you get the energy where do you get the urge to keep moving on I am the person somebody like Bonocode is a ready host some of the local registration in Nairobi just like you said I am the one you are looking for I am the one you are looking for years and years and he became a presenter now he is a very big presenter already so what would you like to I want you to tell them that it is not that easy ok it is not that easy but if you have your certificate your degree your diploma you will see you just do what you are good at if you are good at singing if you are good at modeling I think what you do you should network when you meet somebody you do this and this when you meet someone you do that I have a diploma degree I will do my best you never know who is watching you who is listening to you at any point of the day so we have graduate expectation number 2 Starting salary will be satisfactory. So some of you are making up your own ideas. Okay. Me, if I have a son who is younger than me, I'm expecting no less than between 30,000 to 60,000 shillings. That means, you have to go to a reserve, rent, and go to a house. Go to a house. You have to pay a lot of money. Asante, you've got to say thank you to the body. So what happens if you go first of all, you're volunteering. Would you be willing to volunteer? I'm willing to volunteer for the next six months. That means you have to pay a lot of money to go to a house. Yeah, I will. Because I know after that, I'll get something. So I just have to persevere. I just have to just go as per their will. But at the end, I get to be somewhere that I was yearning to be before. So I just have to say, in every step that we make, we have to pattern our challenges. And to be in Iraq, only like me, I graduate, I have a degree, I have like half certificates, I have the papers. It is not all about the papers. It is what you present. So the moment you're in a band, you get to know what you want in life. Like you just aim at something. You set your own target. Then you work very hard towards it. You'll always achieve what you want. Even if it takes 20 years, but at the end, you achieve what you want. So I'm the model. I was born and raised by myself. I was born and raised because of finance, but modeling the exact term. So what I want is to become a model. So I'm the model. In what I'm known for, best known for, I'll be able to take the chances. No, no. I'm the model, because you can go to an event, you don't get paid. But I'm the model. This thing, I can do it. And by the end, you achieve what you want. With those ups and downs, at one given time, it will be possible. So I'm the model. Degree it as an idea. Then degree pay, and then go to work and get paid. Because to some companies, you can get paid like this. You can get paid by the government. But when you go to work, you'll get paid by the class 7. You'll get paid by the papers. You'll get paid by the manager. You'll get paid by the company. So when there's a vacancy, what announced? You can get paid by the papers. So at the moment they say, this guy has a degree. He's like, hey, I don't have a chance to go to work in Texas. And I don't have a chance to go to work in Texas. I don't have a chance to go to work in Texas. So what to pay on our fear? I have a job, next time I go to work. I'd rather take somebody work with me. So it doesn't happen to anyone. So what happens in Nairobi? Does it happen here in Nairobi? I'm checking my chest. My God, I'm checking my chest. So no one has to come out. No one does, yes. But he has a job. Oh. He has a job. So he has papers. And he has a job. He doesn't have to go to work in Nairobi. But he doesn't have to apply for a job in Nairobi. That is the first thing I can say. So I'm not trying to discourage you. When you're outside, like when you're at home, you'll get a degree. You'll get paid. Knock every door with your degree. Struggle. Struggle. That is what you're, you're, you're, you're the passion in. That is what you can do. You can work towards what you want, what type of work you want. I cannot add or take away from that. What we're going to do instead, we're going to show you a short clip. I want to describe it, but I also want you to see for yourself. So check this out. Well, oftentimes business education today, and I see it all the time, kids come out of college, the best colleges. Wharton and Harvard and Stamford and some of the great business schools. And they'll come out and they won't have practical experience. There's too many case studies that aren't practical. You know, we ask kids that are 60 to 18 years old to make $100,000 debt decisions when they go off to university. And they're not prepared for that. They don't know what they're getting themselves into. They just assume, okay, I'm going to pay four years of education and 25,000 a pop. And when I come out the other side, somehow I'll be able to pay it back. Right. That's not how life works anymore. There's no need even to have a college degree at all, or even high school. I mean, if somebody graduated from a great university that may be an indication that they will be capable of great things, but it's not necessarily the case. You know, if you look at, say, people like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, these guys didn't graduate from college. But if you had a chance to hire them, of course, that would be a good idea. I think having the flexibility to explore a lot of different things, which you can do when you're in college, which is one of the amazing things about being in college is you can work on all these hobbies and code a lot of stuff and try a lot of different things. It's this amazing flexibility that I think most people take for granted. And once you decide, okay, I'm going to start a company and I'm going to start a company and I'm going to do it with someone else, you immediately now need to convince someone else if you want to change your mind on something. And I think people really undervalue the option value and flexibility. I think explore what you want to do before committing is really like the key thing and keep yourself flexible. And no, I think that that's... I agree. Yeah. I mean, it's actually kind of funny. If you think like, what is education? Like you're basically downloading data and algorithms into your brain. And it's actually amazingly bad in conventional education. Because it shouldn't be like this huge tour. You know, someone's standing up there kind of lecturing you. I apologize. But basically what they were trying to say is, in their own way, is be flexible. They gave a couple of examples of very high-profile guys who have made it without necessarily having a traditional education, like going to primary school, high school, finishing university. I don't know the answer or the dropout. I don't know the attempt at all. But they basically say you should be flexible. Can I... I should have started with this disclaimer. Valentine thinks that knowledge is important. In fact, that's the one thing no one can take away from you. They can take everything else, but they can't take what you know. So it's important to invest on things that you know. Are we in agreement? Yeah, not only knowledge, but skills too. Yeah, they can take that away from you. So it's a good thing to do. It's more than any house or anything that you can buy that they can actually take and say it's theirs. Not just that you can't live in it. On the same flexibility that we've just seen in that video, I will advise each and every person that is watching, now getting to watch us from home, that it is very important, it is very, very important for a person to be flexible. Like me, you say I do three things. You see, you know, you say me. So how will you... You know, like a very technical cause, you know, model, you know, I don't know, I don't know how to make a video. It is very good to be flexible. How do you think your success, it will come from? Now, with equal flexible, if you don't work hard, you must just work hard, tirelessly hard in these things that you're doing. Because if you focus too much, I say, me, I don't know, I focus as much as I can. Then I end up gradually, I gradually graduate. The way every student is really learning to graduate by the end, I graduate then because of a job. But that's not the case with me. Because by that time, if you're not working, if you're living in this house, if you're not working, you're not going to be able to do anything. So, it's like, you will be thinking hard rather than blaming yourself for not doing something outside your education. It's like, at home, we are being advised that if you're working, if you're working in a village, if you're working, if you're working in a high school, if you're working as a person, if you're working as a form for work, you're not going to be able to do anything without cooking and just form one. So, besides being able to work, there's something back at home, you know, outside here. So, by the time you graduate, you can imagine that you're living in this house. I think on that note of working hard, that the slide just before this one was on experience. You graduate and then you start applying for jobs. And then you apply for jobs. And then the first mandate is that, here we go. There will be minimal, what you expect is, you won't be asked for experience. There will be minimal to no prior experience needed in the field of study because you feel, okay, you've been studying this for whatever number of years, three, four, five, six. So, you won't, because you're going to be trained on the job. So, you know, you're going, they're going to employ you and they tell you, okay, this is how it works. Then they hold your hand. They even mentor you and all these things. And suddenly, life is not like that. They want five years experience. What do you do? How do you handle that? Queen or mother son? For me, when I get such an experience, I would prefer that first I go to, I get exposed because one thing, I can't be based on one thing because that in, you may apply for job. I love who I'm going to, then like there, they need someone who is experienced for six years. So, for me to first apply for that job, I should have gone for a number of certain jobs that are connected to what I'm actually applying for. So that whenever I want to apply, I should have a lot of, you know, something to show that I've done. Is it wisdom then to say that while you're still on campus or whatever level of study that you are in, that you should actually start, like he said, I'd rather work smart than work hard, but I think it feels like the same thing. So, I graduate before I graduate. Excuse me, before I graduate, I graduate before I graduate. Before I graduate, okay, you know, I do this, I do communication, if I do media, if I'm an engineer, I know what I like, I know what I'm good at. So let me start venturing into these things. Let me start volunteering. So by the time I've got to graduate, I'll be able to work hard. So, yeah, in fact, I used to do this. Does that count as experience? So now they have little to no reason not to hire you, Sundia? Yeah, so for instance, as for me, I'm currently doing, pursuing my diploma in geneticism, and I have actually written a lot of articles in magazines, and I've also, I'm also engaged in Coastwick magazine, where I write from. So for me to actually finish my diploma course and actually apply for the job, I'll have a lot of experience and something to show that actually they've done some articles and they have been published, and I've actually engaged with other colleagues in media and written a number of articles with their Coast magazine. So, yeah, you have to have something to do. In short, you have to have a career. That's right. You have to be able to form a career to all the time you're doing it. A career meaning for you. Yes, what do you plan? A career meaning for you. Yes. You have to be able to say that people need to volunteer. Volunteer, me, I'll do it. I will do it and I will do it for free. I will do it and it's okay. Then you do it and then tada, here comes the experience. In fact, you won't even have to look far for the job. The job will come looking for you. Yes. Even before that, if you go for attachment, then up on the social auto terms are good. There is a, I'm sorry, I don't know, I'm not good in Kiswele, but when I say manga, Kiswele is good. Oh, Kiswele means. Okay, so if you're doing good, you'll always sell outside. So, kind of attachment, I'm not going to say that in the practical work, kind of for attachment, then manager, the workmate, the foundation, I don't know who I'm talking about. I don't know if it's okay to do it differently from where I'm from. You will spot you. My friend, after you're done with your course, I want to assure you that you'll do your job. If you knock that door, and there's a place you haven't experienced for six years, then you'll get up. So, then you'll say, okay, then you'll come like, you pass away, then you work hard, then you work differently from others. So, just like anything that you're going to do, do it differently. Then you do it very nicely. Yeah. That will make you sell. And if you graduate, then now you'll be looking for a job. When you graduate, you'll be looking for a job by the time you're in attachment. You'll be calling them and you'll say, ah, I graduated. So, if there is a vacancy, you can call me. Obviously, after you're done with your course, you'll be able to spot that good thing in you, that hard work, that determination whatever you're doing, you'll be able to do your job. All right, okay. Would you take the next slide? Have you ever missed a job opportunity due to lack of connection? What kind of connection? Finance, sexual favours, or you are yet to qualify academically? I personally, as Valentin, I have missed a job opportunity because I was over-qualified. I was in shock. What do you mean? What is so key? I don't even know. Of course, you can be over-qualified and the same thing, you can be under-qualified. And then, if there is a job that you don't have, you'll be able to do your job by the time you graduate, then you'll be able to do your job. I'm not a chevrolet. I'm not that kind of uncle who tells you, hey, I'm a one-uncle and you come back, you graduate, you'll be able to do your job. I'm a chevrolet. I'm a chevrolet. Well, well. I'm not a chevrolet. I'm a two-ladies. I'm not a chevrolet. I'm not a chevrolet. I'm not a chevrolet. I'm not a chevrolet. You know, you're really looking good. You'll have to give me something in return so that you get this. Does it happen to guys? I don't know. You come home and you're like, and I'm like, hey, you're in the chamber and you're like, but you're looking good because you're a job. Well, yeah. You're a real case, a real case. Then you say, you'll be able to do your job. Oh my gosh, because you're a model. That's so funny. Ay. Ah, OK, well, we are running out of time, but I want to thank you for taking this journey with us. Again, you can find us at White Fire on Facebook, at White24, channel on Twitter. Hashtag is white in the morning. So, Xavier Mulaku and I went out here on these streets and got a couple of videos of people who have an opinion as well to how valuable is your degree. Should I just, we should just say bye, Maravad, so that we just made the videos, OK? We go live Monday through Friday, seven through 10 a.m., sauce, sauce, sauce. Every day is different. Tomorrow is money making. Today was man crush, stroke politics, stroke health, but now I want you to see something. Let's wave. Let's ask we wave and let them they see. To normal people. Saimara University and I'm also a PhD student here at Nairobi University. The question was whether degree is relevant. I think it's very relevant and there's a lot of information out there that it is not relevant as far as getting a job is concerned. But I think it is because in the world we are living in, it is key to have a background in education. Whether you're doing business, it will still be another advantage if you have some schooling as far as business is concerned. So those who are taking on a degree program, I would encourage them to go ahead. And even in the world, in the job market, competence is key. And even as you undertake your degree program, get a niche in your area of specialization. Get a certain skill that will add another advantage as far as competition in the job market is concerned. So I think it is relevant and those who are undertaking it, push on to the highest limits. Amen.