 We just wait for the, okay, start. Okay, welcome back after the break. Before we went for our break, we began looking at First Timothy chapter five. We read the entire chapter and then we looked at you know how we could divide this chapter into five sections and we began looking at verses one, two and three, which talks about relationships within the church and we looked at this word rebuke what it really meant in this context. But if you look at the same chapter, verse 20, you know Paul is again talking about rebuke there and you know he tells Timothy there that you know there are times when not only should an elder be rebuked but there are times when he should be rebuked publicly and that is what is mentioned in verse 20 so if you read verse 20 he says those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all that the rest may also fear. So he again mentions that you know not only that an elder should be rebuked but there are times when he should be rebuked publicly therefore in this verse in verse one when he says do not rebuke it does not mean that Timothy was told never to rebuke somebody but or an elder in the church but he's telling him you know don't rebuke in a harsh attacking manner but it's important that you correct people correct them in a loving encouraging way and not in a harsh attacking manner but he then he goes on to say that these older men who is referring about who he needs to rebuke correct them in a in a loving way in a gentle way says but exhort him as a father so basically exhortation or exhorting means to encourage so do all that requires to be done regarding encouraging them do things in a manner that is encouraging you know just like and the idea here of encouraging is how a coach or a trainer you know encourages the athlete that they are training to achieve their best so this is the whole idea or picture the context that is talking about exhortation or exhorting them as a father it's how a coach or a trainer would who is helping an athlete you know to achieve the best how they would encourage them he's saying the same way you know encourage these elders these older people as they are fathers in the house and then he goes and talks about goes on to talk about younger men as brothers you know he says the younger men should be treated as brothers that is you know as someone who is a partner to you as friends in the work of the gospel but at the same time you know even as you treat these younger men in a nice way don't show any difference to the older people or to the adults treat them in the same way as you would treat younger men then he goes on to talk about older women and he says that older women in the body of Christ in the church should be treated as mothers they should be treated with respect and honor due to their age and then he talks about younger women he says these younger women should be treated as sisters and as Timothy you know as a godly man he must make sure that his conduct towards younger women was always pure and above reproach just like he mentions in the preceding verses that we looked at you know live a life of godliness in purity so he's talking about how he needs to treat younger women in his approach to them the way he treats them it should be pure and holy and in verse three he talks about honoring widows who are really widows now at Paul's time and the time that Timothy lived you know there was one class of people or one group of people who were very vulnerable that those were the elderly widows you know and there were usually people who were not able to support themselves because their husbands are no more or they don't have children or their children are not supporting them and taking care of them and they have no means of working to adequately support their their own lives or to support themselves and these kind of widows he is talking other really other widows whom the church has to care for and who have to you know bring them under their care and protection and provide for them so he's saying who are really widows who are really widows are these widows who are elderly widows he goes on to qualify and speak more about this in the in the in the other verses he talks about those who are 60 and about who are real widows who usually don't have any support from their husbands because their husbands are dead or their children have grown up and you know they don't want to take care of them and they have no means of adequately supporting themselves these women are whom the church has to take care of so he's qualifying who these widows are that the church has to take care of because there are younger widows and he talks about them you know and what they need to do and what the church needs to regarding them so in this entire passage that Paul is writing in this in this part of this letter there are four types of four categories of widows that he mentions the first one is the real widows those who don't have any family members to care for them which he talks about in verses three to five and verses nine to ten he also talks about widows who have children and grandchildren who he mentions about in verse four and verse sixteen and then he also talks about another category of widows talking about the younger widows who says you know they should remarry and he talks about them in verses 11 to 15 and then the last category the last type of widows he mentions in this part of his letter in this passage in chapter five is widows who live for pleasure rather than for the Lord who he talks about in verse six okay so we move on to verses four to eight where he's talking about believers responsibility towards their own family and here in this section of his letter Paul is instructing Timothy what must happen in the local church you know regarding taking care of widows he says but if any widow has children or grandchildren let them first learn to show piety at home and repay their parents for this is good and acceptable before God so he says if you know there are widows who have children you know then these children should take their responsibilities is that time to show their love and take responsibility for their you know their parent who is widowed you know the mother who is widowed and take care of them because they have the means of taking care of them of assisting them of helping them and because they have the means you know they should they should not leave them to the responsibility of the church the church can take responsibility for those who are really widows who are really in a need who don't have a family to take care of them so he says the children he's you know talking to children grandchildren who have to rise up to this occasion and address the need of their of their widowed mother or grandmother you know and he says by doing this by taking care of them he's saying this is good and acceptable before God this is what is pleasing to God so this is also something it's the word of God this is something that also applies to us in our context that we need to take care of our elderly parents and if one of them is widowed we need to take care of their needs help them not just dump them in an old age home another care of the church or another care of you know people who are working in old age but it's our responsibility to take care of them because this is good and acceptable before God and we are accountable to God for how we take care of our parents okay and he says you know now she was really a widow now he's talking about like I said really a widow is those who are 60 and about their husband is dead they don't have children to take care of them don't have means to provide for themselves you know these kind of widows you know they are the ones that the church needs to take care of because they're they're just trusting and God and even as the church takes care of them you know they should give themselves up to prayer and supplication that means they should also be involved in the ministry of the church they should be involved in praying for the needs of various church members and in supplication praying for you know different needs and the burdens of the church and different people who are going to different struggles and then he says you know those who but were six but she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives but those widows who you know those who should be legitimately helped by the church must have godly lives and not live life of pleasure okay so if you're requiring help from the church to sustain you to help you as a widow then you have to live a godly life there is some requirement that is needed you have to live a godly life and not live a life of pleasure but then and then he says a person who lives a life of mere pleasure and ease is no life at all the kind of life is living is not a life worth living it's living dead kind of life and and he says this is applicable to anyone whether you're a young widow or anyone else you know don't live a life of pleasure because when you do you know you're not living a godly life you're not living any kind of life that is right that is helpful and it's living a life of death it's living death okay literally living death and he says these things command so Paul is again reminding Timothy that you know as a good pastor as a pastor was appointed as a spiritual overseer it's your responsibility to teach these things so that people will know what god expects of them they will do what god expects them to do okay verse seven it says and these things come on that they may be blameless if we look at this same verse in the message bible it renders as this so that they will do the right thing in their extended family so Paul is saying Timothy teach these things so because people will not know about these things they will think okay you know it's my mother's widow the church is anyway taking care of widows let them let me just go and give them to the responsibility of the church but you know teach them that it's if they have the means to take care of their widows in their own family they should do so and not abandon them or leave them under the care of the church the church can take care of those who are really widows okay verse eight but if anyone does not provide for his own and especially for those of his household he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever so you know god's way or the provision that he's made for providing for the needy is not just through the local congregation but it's also through the family okay so if there's somebody needy in our family you know it's our responsibility that we provide for them it does not mean that you know we just keep on giving them money and food and clothes but also empower them if they are in a place where they can be empowered to earn their own living to do that but get them started off so it's important that you know as believers in the house of god that we just don't think of the church providing for everyone who's needy but we who are capable of earning um taking on responsibility it's important that through our hard work we sustain people who are needy in our own families uh and also you know in doing so we also empower them to work hard and also live their own lives but get them started just help them in their time of need and he says if you don't provide for your own family it means if you don't husbands don't take care of their own wives and their children if of children and grandchildren don't take care of their own parents elderly parents or widowed people in their family if Paul says you know they are worse than an unbeliever and so he uses very strong terms here strong words basically Paul is emphasizing the responsibility of man to provide for his family and to do all that he could do to support them and he says as you do this you know this is good and pleasing to god this is what this honoring god pleasing to him and if you don't do it you know you're worse than an unbeliever so um you know uh look at verse eight it's talking about the responsibility on a believer uh you know a believer uh specifically a man here but in our context we have even women working so you know as as a couple it's our responsibility to provide for our own household but more so for a man because he is in that position that god has called him or ordained him to be the prophet priest and the provider okay any questions so far verses one to verse eight any questions any thoughts any clarifications needed okay today the class seems to be very silent okay uh if we are following and we are getting a lot of information so we are here learning thank you thank you jazz okay yes mangy thank you pastor um pastor just a little clarification um because it says that you should not be given to pleasure life of pleasure so when you say life of pleasure what does he mean because uh as a believer we we can still go on holiday we can still uh go to disneyland have fun you can still uh go racing so can you please clarify uh what what what he means by life of pleasure thank you first um thank you for that question mangy actually he goes on to talk about that in in the proceeding i mean in the uh the verses that following now so i'll explain that and if then you can you know understand it better when i explain it but if you still don't understand it then uh we can come back to a question and address it but here talking about pleasure it's not talking about you know entertainment in the sense that and we we need entertainment to refresh us to refresh our soul and our and our bodies our minds you know so good entertainment is not something that god stops us from it's important for us you know we can you know go on trips visit countries uh go to disneyland and all of those things but it's talking about pleasures which are ungodly you know entertainment that is ungodly which puts in you know effects our minds our thoughts our actions our behavior and leads us into ungodliness and leads us away from the truth and the the truth in the in the word of god and the doctrine and you know comes to a place where we even go away from our faith where our own faith is shift right that is what he's talking about but he explains more in detail in the in the you know the verses that follow and i'll explain that and if you still did not if you still do not answer your question you can get the you know come back mindy and we'll discuss on that is that okay thank you person i i understand thank you okay okay so we look at at verses nine to sixteen he says don't let a widow under 60 years old be taken into the number what he means here is that if someone is under 60 you know they can still support themselves they can still get they can remarry they can have somebody who can help them support them so you know don't add them in the support list of the church but he says here that you know those who are really widows which is 60 and above who can can't really support themselves don't have a family to support them then they can be added to the list of the church yes say thank you pastor i just wanted to confirm that this isn't really a cast on stone approach right uh because uh Paul might be bringing this or giving this instruction or advice in that time whereas we did be that in such a in a case whereby it happens in any of our churches um this can be looked at um uniquely and not just say oh because it said in scripture we have to follow this uh because sometimes it could be that the man who has passed on is actually earning more than what the wife is earning and so my need assistance from the church and yes he's under 60 you know so i'm just wondering is there wisdom in applying this advice from Paul in respect to all the other things we've learned about setting instructions that we're only giving to specific churches around the time of the culture and historical events of that time thank you pastor thank you say for your question so yes actually we can use this as a framework uh to work you know to you know bring about how to administer things in the the present local church but you know when it talks about younger widows you know and he gives reasons why younger widows should marry in this context but we see many of our younger widows in our context in you know in the in the country of the country that i come from that's india you know we see many younger widows they don't they don't get married but they of course have their family who they stay along with who supports them or you know we help them in getting a job they you know are able to sustain themselves because they are educated if they're not educated you know get them into some kind of training where they're able to sustain themselves they're not totally dependent on the church because some of them can even have children you know they'll have to pay their fees and things like that so get the family involved get them you know the person empower them to earn to take care of their own children if they want to remarry that's totally fine with them but most of them in our context they don't i've seen most of them don't some of them now they're opening up to you know getting married it was not some that culture that was followed a few years back so in yeah we need to actually empower the younger widows but specifically talking about older widows there's no point in you know getting them to empower them to work now but the church can support them fun for them and the whole context that paul is writing here is basically the understanding that you know people should not take advantage of what the church is providing okay so he what he's basically saying here is hey because church is taking care of widows don't you know bring all the widows and put them in the list and get the church to do if they have families can support them let them take responsibility because it is what god has called us to do we need to take care of our parents we need to take care of our family because we have the means god has given us the means to do it this is our god given responsibility one of them we need to do it so we also need to speak and teach this in our church but of course if the family disowns them and has nothing to do with them and feels that they're a burden then the church can for a few years you know empower them get them a job get them to take on the responsibility but they cannot totally be dependent on the church and not do anything so we need to look at it in all angles and work it out in all angles and see what works best in our in our basic culture in our environment or in the context that we are living in does that help say it helps pasta thank you thank you yeah why was 60 years taken as a benchmark it was because you know you know people can't work you know when they get 60 they become very old they're not able to work they're not able to care for themselves they need help they need support you know they also just not need a financial support they need emotional support they need also help from others so so basically maybe you know the 60 years is the time but we are this is what just you know people are saying I mean maybe in that context it worked there it can also work in our context because many people retire at that age right and after that you know they really need help and support financially mentally spiritually emotionally yes that helped Kennedy okay so you know so here he says you know don't put the younger widows in the support list of the church versus 9 to 10 Paul elaborates on the conditions of verses 3 to 5 that he has just written about concerning needy widows he says they to be at least 60 years and older they have to have served in the church well if the church has to help them support them they should have served in the church well you know if they serve the church well then they can be taken care of in the church by the church for their needs and we see in verse 16 is that if their family is able to take care of them the family should do so so that they don't become a burden to the church and the church can have those who are elderly widows who are in real need also can be because Paul is being very strict about this because you know we don't see like mega churches in the city of Ephesus you know the whole concept of church was just kind of beginning tithing giving to the church was all areas where there were people were coming to an understanding growing so the church was also not you know very strong financially like we look at some of our churches today in our today's world you know also because they were living in in a time when you know the Romans were ruling and their Romans had you know used to tax people very very heavily in every area of their lives so people were paying huge taxes in every area so when it came to even paying religious taxes they expected it from the churches as well the government wanted taxes from the church so you know the churches were not financially very great and sound so Paul talking about all of these should also be seen in context not in the context that our churches today are very rich we can support you know younger widows older widows so he's being very very specific about details here because there was small churches home churches you know and didn't have great big bank huge fat bank balances or amounts in the church of the church bank accounts to support everybody so he was making you know strict laws and bringing in strict rules who to take care of and who not to take care of and also that people will not make use of the church when they themselves can take on responsibilities okay so he says that you know those who are having a family they should not burden the church so that the church can take care of the elderly widows in real need furthermore he he he he says that the widow must show hospitality to strangers they should have watched the saints feet which is showing a sign of humility as you know like people who have served in church they should also be people who have you know helped people in distress which means you know referring to visiting people who are sick praying for them giving council comfort to those who are troubled and weary so basically the it just sums up to saying this that you know the widow who the church takes care of must have devoted herself to every good work should have been an active part a member in in taking you know an active role in the church so he says these widows in the church will meet these qualifications where to be enlisted in the in the list of widows who the church would take care of and because you know they have already been part of the church they have been helping and you know they can also now serve in various capacities in the church they can serve in terms of prayer and supplications but he talks about younger widows he says you know younger widows paul advises them to remarry and they are to to be a wife of one husband so again the whole concept of one man woman the same qualifications which he lays down for elders and deacons which we read in chapter three versus two and twelve and also here he talks about younger widows you know should also have a good reputation of good works what he mentions it was 10 it also includes that these younger women should be involved in bringing up children it can probably be that you know that this younger widow already has children before they remarry but you know is raising them up in the faith in the world in the ways of the Lord but it also can refer to widows you know or younger widows who care for unwanted offence because in the Roman world you know there were many unwanted children who were left alone you know unattended just to die and some of these corrupt people would take them and sell them off for slavery or prostitution you know get some money out of it but you know godly Christian women you know would take them into their homes especially these widows you know would take them into their home and raise them up as their own children and care for them so this is what he's talking about in this context of when he says you know they should you know she should be someone who's brought up children and if she has large strangers you know she should you know is all saying that you know she has done some things for the work of Christ has helped in the ministry of the church and can be now enlisted in the list of widows that the church cares for and oversees or you know caters for their needs but he says the younger widows he encourages them to get married set up a family instead of wasting their time in idle things and talking about you know unnecessary unwanted things we study that in a little more detail was 11 he says but refused the younger widows so as a general rule you know he he tells Timothy don't add these younger widows to the support list of the local congregation because they generally can provide for themselves or they could be married and you know can be supported and then he says for they have begun to grow wanton against Christ and their desire to marry now this words this phrase grow wanton you know this word is supposed to be derived from to remove and the rain so it's basically a metaphor which is taken from a very pampered horse you know from whose mouth the rain has been removed so that you know there's nothing to check them or confine them so here he's saying that you know like this pampered horse which the rain has been removed from the mouth so that there's nothing to check or confine this horse it just has total freedom he says these younger widows are like that you know they are total totally free now because their husband is dead no one to keep a check and control over them and they're doing things yielding to pleasures that is not right that is not appropriate so in verses 11 to 15 you know he goes on to talk about some things which is not very easy to interpret but some understand that you know these older widows you know have made some kind of pledge to the Lord and to the church that they would remain single for the rest of their life and they would devote the remaining years of their life to serving the Lord and some of these younger widows have also made this pledge looking at the older widows that they have also stated that they don't wish to marry again and you know they would like to spend their entire years of their life serving the Lord but some of them go back on these younger widows some of them have gone back on their pledge and when they go back on their pledge they incur condemnation from the church or disapproval of criticism but Paul is not condemning the natural desire of the younger widows to remarry what is wrong here he's saying is that they're basically breaking the pledge that they have made so this is one point of view how one group of people writers or commentators understand this verse others take it very differently they mean that you know the first faith what he talks about in this verse verse 12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith is basically their first faith is talking about the the pledge that they have made the pledge that they have made that they won't remarry and they will serve the local congregation for the rest of their life you know they argue that Paul was addressing an existing problem namely that these younger widows were put on the support list of the church you know we're now having a desire to remarry and their desire to remarry is you know Paul is not condemning it it is okay with them remarry but what the problem is here is there were you know their desire to remarry is to be greater than their faith in Christ so much so greater than their faith in Christ that they're willing to even remarry and unbeliever and that is what he's mentioning as as you know wrong pleasures or ungodly pleasures he's saying it's not wrong to have this pleasure of remarrying but he's saying this younger widows you know they're they're giving in so much of the pleasure of remarrying that it's it's greater than their love for Christ or their faith or their salvation that they have received in Christ Jesus that they are even willing to marry an unbeliever and also you know furthermore you know they're following into a lot of errors of false teachers and you know that and that is actually turning them away from their first faith in Christ because now they have a lot of time they don't have a husband you know they don't have home chores that they you know they have freedom to roam around talk go from place to place house to house you know and as they do this they easily caught up with wrong teachings because they idle they don't have any work to do they don't have anything to do and you know they're turning away they're from their faith in Christ and what they're doing is even as they have slowly turning away from the faith in Christ you know they are promoting false teaching and that is what he's talking about here you know he's saying you know they are going from house to house not only idle but also gossips busy bodies and same things which they ought not to say so what are the things that they are saying this you ought not to say is wrong teaching wrong you know doctrines you know and they're going away from their faith they're promoting false teaching they're madding basis on they're madding based on their sensual desires and not marrying in the Lord and thus Paul is instructing that no the church should not support these kind of women it's best to avoid all of this thing in the church you know which is going to be a hindrance for them if you support them basically it's going to be a hindrance for them then for these younger widows because you know we are giving them the freedom to get into false teachings of false teachers go around spreading all of these false teaching also you know moving them away from the faith not just to false teachers but also their desire to marry outside the faith so he's saying it's best if these younger widows you know is the best if they marry in the Lord it's best if they are devoted to their home duties so they are not idle they're not going home to home they're not listening to all these false teachings and they're sticking away shipwrapping their shipwrecking their own faith and leading others astray and also he says so as to give that give the enemy no occasion for the report so that you know we are not giving room for the enemy to work in their lives best is to do this for these younger widows so now I hope this whole idea of why he's writing this why he's telling younger widows to remarry why he's talking about pleasures has a better understanding and a better context and a meaning for those of you who you know had questions yes mangi thank you pastor you've answered most of my question just question just to add I think if someone someone must have must have asked it I think about it was Sayi the context in which this letter is written or the culture is different from our culture today our culture today for example a six year old can be richer than a 20 year old girl or widow why can is it okay for us or is it relevant for us to apply the same principle or some principle in our churches today because we they are two different world our world is different from their world our world all the people say they have investment they have money and most of them they can support themselves because they have retirement money set aside and it is the younger generation that's our poor that's our suffering in most places that all they do about in in most places so how can we read this and look into our world today and say okay cool that was amazing it is good and what can we do with what well has given us that's my question thank you yes thank you mangi yes I understand that what you're saying you know all the women are in a better position because they have their savings and you know they're getting pension or whatever you know they can support themselves but what about younger women like 20 and above who you know financially are not sound who cannot support themselves well like I said you know bring them to a place where you know they're not dependent on the church for the rest of their lives which makes them you know complacent and lazy and get into a lot of unwanted you know things like you know spending because they're being supported by the church the children are being supported by the church so they know that they have a lot of free time then they can engage in pleasures that are not pleasing to God which is not godly can be led astray from their own faith listening to teachings that are not right will have no sense of responsibility you know but it's important that we bring them to a place where we empower them like I said empowering them you know supporting them to an extent where they you know till we empower them to manage life on their own to get a job to work or even to work in the church where they're paid so that you know most of their needs are met if some of their expenses like children's education is you know is something that they can't meet then the church can meet but they also know that they have a sense of responsibility and you know it's not leaving them idle so that you know Satan can use that you know their idleness in ways that can bring a shift back to their own faith destroy their own faith lead them away from God and indulge in pleasures which is not godly and pleasing so if you look at what's 15 he says for some have already turned the side after satan and was 14 he says you know so that we don't give opportunity to the advisor who to speak reproachfully okay so basically he's talking about satan who's you know you know giving no opportunity to work in our lives to lead us astray so keep them engaged keep them busy so that they're involved in you know working taking care of their home their responsibility their children if they don't have children then what do you do you know best to get these kind of women married again so that you know they have sense of responsibility they have a family it'll also be an emotional and mental support rather than being lonely and you know being just busy body sitting around gossiping talking and doing nothing and wasting away their lives so yes the church has a responsibility but also greater responsibility in empowering them and making sure that they're not left aside to the attack of the evil one which can destroy their faith and can also destroy others connected to them did that help mangy yes first thank you thank you so what I get from your answer that's the big picture is that to help them to empower them to become their own so the best thing they could do is the church can do is to empower them to yeah educate them or help them thank you first yeah because you know when you empower them they become they have they build they're built up in their own self-image their self-value you know and they have their sense of purpose they know their god-given calling and purpose irrespective of what has happened to them very early on in life that you know they are widows that they have not lost everything in life but they have a god-given purpose a god-given identity a god-given calling to identify their god-given purpose identity and calling and to fulfill that because all of us you know whether irrespective of whether we're married unmarried young old widows you know living with our spouses we all have a god-given calling purpose and identity and that is what is more enriching and fulfilling than just you know being married or being a widow or whatever you know fulfilling god's purpose for our life is calling over our life is so much more important than anything else so you know getting them to see that following that pursuing that can empower them you know and also empower the church because they're you know bringing in their expertise they're calling and they're giving to the church which can help the church as a way is that to find Maggie I guess faster thank you so much thank you yes the beer yeah thank you ma'am I just had a comment answer question other it's in acts chapter nine where it talks about the tabitha or darkest the widow when you were explaining the kind of widow that was mentioned right in this chapter I believe this person darkest or tabitha is a person who was very instrumental in the among the widows in the community among the believer widows in the community because she she was she dare she she died and all the widows were like weeping and crying and bringing in all the garments that she made for them and and ultimately you know like Peter K comes there and ministers and she was raised from the dead so I believe that is an example of a widow that is really instrumental in in in a community in a believers or maybe a church setting and my question is also based on the culture that we are living in especially we see a lot of women sometimes separated from their husbands because might be lots of reasons many of them are like the husbands abandon the wives leave the lead the wives with children and to take care maybe the wives are not working and what about them like not I don't know whether in this context when we talk about widows in in our context in our culture are they included like those people who have been you know abandoned like they have maybe there is nothing that they contributed that caused them to be abandoned right so so what can churches you know in these situations will they also be supported right yeah that's my one question thank you Divya so you know church is inclusive of people of all ages across all ages you know from different cultures different society backgrounds social standing and also people you know who are widowed people who are elderly people who are single parents people who have been abandoned by their family because of their faith or you know abandoned by their husband so we have people from different you know different kind of upbringings different kind of cultures and also you know situations that they are facing in life so the church actually caters to people across all of these age groups all of the challenges that they are facing so yes if a person has been abandoned by their husband they have no means they come to the church they you know they share their needs the church can support them again like we said you know for young widows how we can help them out how we can support them empower them you know get them to see that this is not the end of life that God still has a plan and purpose for them and how they can go about fulfilling God's plan and purpose for their lives and how you know the the church is a community believers can pitch in and help that's what the early church did right they sold everything that everyone had they brought everything together and you know they supported those who are in need and things like that so even churches today do that you know they the the groups so life groups so certain families just support this this this person who's abandoned because of their faith their family abandoned them or their husband abandoned them whatever or the children you know abandoned them when their husband is dead now the children are far away you know they have old age homes they have people who care for them support them also you know do their best to speak to people related to them how they can come and support you know like Paul says you know preach and teach these things because you know the family has to support them but if they still don't want to do it then you know the church steps in the pastor steps and see how the church can be involved the people in the church can be involved so even yesterday we were discussing about one person who we know who is you know who's worked hard all of her life retired as a teacher had a stroke now and you know it's depending on lives with her brother and his family they don't want to you know do basic physiotherapy though it was not a major stroke a mild stroke they do physiotherapy she can walk but they don't want to just spend that basic little amount for the physiotherapy they don't they've stopped even people coming from church to visit her so one church member was saying you know i'm going to speak the pastor today and tell him this is a situation the pastor can go and speak and see what can be done to help this person so yes there are situations where we need to step in speak do what we can do to help empower strengthen and see that the person is you know is you know given the grace and the strength and empowerment to continue living their lives and if they need to just go in and help yes thank you thank you ma'am yeah okay we'll before we end class we'll listen to Christopher's question Christopher and then we'll end class if it's okay with the rest of y'all yes Christopher oh yes thank you pastor just uh just to add to that i think you already mentioned this uh you know that there is the uh you know this uh institution of uh old age homes and um i think in some scenarios it it um you know it provides an alternative uh you know when when the children are of this of this widow is is not um is out of the country or you know it is just not it's just not uh not able to provide that level of uh you know service and uh you know tension age old homes can be an alternative uh and you know uh a lot of question denominations have set up these age old age homes where uh you know they have competences uh you know facilities available as well as the uh you know the people there are all you know maybe the same age group and you know they have you know they have common interests and you know if they can they can live uh a life which is uh you know more uh uh you know reasonable and better than you know what what could have could have been provided by my children who you know maybe may not be able to provide that that level of attention yeah I think uh Christopher I would uh you know defer on that because I think you know the parent when it comes to old age uh they're not looking for uh you know um uh a lot of pleasures like you know uh you know traveling or a car or you know uh ipad or something like that they just want uh their family who they loved and cared for all these years just to be with them just to see their faces you just give them basic meals they are very happy with that but taking them and putting them in an old age home where they're away from their loved ones their family give them the best of food it's not going to please them if you put them with people with you know who are this they have the same age or who they can relate to it's not going to make up for their own children their own grandchildren or their you know their family their home that they lived in the home that they built uh built up all these years what makes them feel happy is that they're in their home that they have with their children whatever you know whether it is uh elaborate meal a simple meal they have just food but they're with the family that is what gives them great joy and satisfaction and I would not agree on you know putting them in an old age home uh you know when we have the means to just take care of them uh at home I understand if some of some of them need special care and all of that uh that also can be very very detrimental to their health they don't they don't last long I've seen that in the case of my own family members two of them you know my grandmother was 90 plus and they couldn't take care of her at home anymore and they put her in an old age home and she died in a couple of in a couple of weeks to say uh it was sad and my uncle you know they were just going to shift into old age home because they couldn't take care of him at home because the others were working my cousins were working and he kept saying that throughout the night okay how many more hours before I they break and I have to go to an old age home and you know they kept telling him the number of hours and just by early dawn he passed away you know it's just so heartbreaking for them and I think nothing would you know fill in for their homes and their own family uh you know or just basic meals that they have nothing can take that risk yeah so I wouldn't agree whatever you know do your best to take care of their parents as much as you can do I won't talk about every case but this is and what other people feel this is what I think I know everyone has their own opinions and you can go buy your opinions yeah that's uh left up to how you think and what is feasible for you and comfortable for you and what how much you can do yes so that uh help Christopher yeah yeah right I said that there are always some exceptions so yeah I mean I I think they will be some different different views to that yeah yeah yes thank you yeah okay thank you everyone for the class sorry to vent six minutes beyond time um thank you everyone have a blessed week uh yes mangi want to say something uh uh that's one mistake thank you so much first thank you for questions and answering the questions thank you so much thank you everyone thank you mangi for joining class sir have a blessed week god bless all of you bye thank you faster thank you