 Hello everyone and welcome back to the Untitled Rant Show if you got a good name for the show put it down in the comments below so we can ignore it. As always I'm your host the Magus. This week I'm going to be talking about the people that are a known problem in a game like everybody knows the name as soon as you say it, but somehow nothing ever gets done about them. So that's my topic for this week on Jelly, what do you got? Something that we've talked about a little bit already in the past, but the capability of to just have fun with the game like it doesn't need to not everyone needs to be a reviewer not everyone needs to have the super critical thoughts of a game like is it fun yes or no that's kind of the the topic I have for today what about you Evan? Magus pulled a Raven and didn't introduce everyone so hey yeah I'm Raven and I'm going to be talking about just I don't know we'll see how long it goes but like Fault I started playing that recently and I know it's been out for a year and they've been doing whatever on the back end but atomization is low I feel like I play ADC a lot so when I'm playing ADC I feel you just build the same thing over and over again and there's not much like survivability almost I don't know we'll see but yeah. What I'm talking about my topic this week I mean I brought it up in the Richter video I did recently about Fault is we had an off laner that was having a terrible time of it and just flaming the rest of the team and like the rest of the team is doing great like everybody was doing was in the positive having a really good game he's the only one that wasn't having a great game and if you're in the off lane like it wouldn't be so bad but we had a follow-up game with another guy he ranged characters are problem and fault when they go off lane it's really hard to deal with them with a bellica or a or especially more gash it seems and he was up against the more gash he couldn't do much but he didn't complain about it he was just like guys I'm not gonna be able to do much I'm that she might take my tower and we're like okay and that's how you have to play it as the off laner if you have to give your tower instead of your life over and over again that that's what you do but this guy this guy just kept getting killed over and over again and then playing it on us for not rotating even though the people would rotate several times but every time they rotate she would back up she was a good player she was good he was not he was getting this shit pushed in it sucks for him but the rest of the teams have a great game so stop hitting fucking f1 to try and surrender stop yelling at everybody just suck it up and I think jelly I think you've covered this before learn how to be carried by your team like ever you're not gonna you're not gonna be the superstar every freaking game you play and nobody's judging you if you're having a bad game if they're having a good game nope I think that's what a lot of it stems from they assume that everyone's thinking that they're a terrible player we don't think you're a terrible player just you're having a bad game but you know kick back let everybody else carry for you play in such a way that you can contribute when you can but if you can't contribute don't go face first into the enemy team and die just that's that's not helping anyone so yeah I mean but the thing is when I when I posted that and I talked about it there were several people in the comments were like oh yeah I've played with that guy he did the same shit to us and oh yeah I recognize that name he was a he was really really bad when we played with him when you get these people that everybody knows and you know that people are reporting them but why are why are they still playing why why have they been banned like it's been a problem in a couple discords like there'll be a certain person that's just extremely aggressive and discord and ruins the experience for everybody else just ban them just get them out of there if everybody knows if you think if you can think of if the topic gets brought up like people are really salty in this in this discord and everybody immediately thinks of three names get those three names the fuck out of there because it's ruined it for the rest of the community no matter how much you like them they're ruining the experience for everybody else and that's it needs to be tackled early on in a lot of these games alphas to just get rid of the bad apples so that everybody else can have fun playing the game that's a series such a small community anyway yeah exactly just get on it yeah and especially for fault when they talk about like we're not worried about the player base then why aren't you getting rid of these players right if you're not worried about your player base then this one person doesn't count right or the the 10 people that everybody can think of absolutely and when i was playing fault all the time there were absolutely those names that i could be like oh okay well we've got this guy so he's just gonna be toxic the whole game right like it's just one of those things unfortunately um to kind of hit on your point of like getting carried just let your team carry you sometimes that's what you have to do that's what you have to do but that doesn't mean just give up either all right exactly delay make the game as hard as possible for your enemy laner without throwing your life at them every single time either right if you have to lose but it takes you 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes to lose your lane that's worth it you delayed them twice as long as it should have taken or i could rather i had that so many times in league playing ranked because i play top lane all the time and that's how i got to gold there's so many games why would be yorick because i love yorick but he's so shitty early there's so many more champs that just do more things earlier on until he hits five he's kind of meh unless you're going against like a week maybe like a ranger up top or something but any other like a dares to something you're gonna get smoked so i've had so many games where i'm sitting there yeah i'm getting my shit pushed in or i'm getting ganked and like i'm not getting help and sure like maybe the rest of team's doing right and how that guy was like gosh i think it's over gotta fucking surrender you know and i'll throw it up but like there's so many games like that too though because of yorick and his split push potential or even if i'm sitting back and farming then once i have made and i can actually go and then start just if they ignore the lane because i'm so far behind i can just take towers like it's nothing and then at that point yeah then i'm just kind of i've kind of learned that over the years now of playing multiple mobos and coming from paragon to different ones and more established ones yeah it's the kd it don't matter it's it's the game you know you gotta win the game you could i've gone games or i've gone like 11-0 it's still fucking lost and i'd be like okay but like we didn't win yeah so it's it's a big deal and toward the end of that to make a point from last week's video astro this is where last hitting and wave management comes in just saying you can lose your lane and still win the game because you had better last hitting and wave management and brought yourself back all right just had to call him out for a second always call it on astro poor astro i have to i have to that's a lie on the topic okay all right well i mean i think this applies to a lot of the games that we play 420 turbo merriant 69 i'm coming for you um but a lot of the games we play but also just i think the gaming industry as a whole right now is having this problem of just saying am i having fun playing this game right net very very baseline very simple is it fun to play am i enjoying myself if yes keep playing if no stop right like just that's the flowchart not everybody needs to break down every ounce of every detail and i get it i i'm a theory crafter right so i love kind of breaking down those details and finding the little nuanced things and i think content creation has kind of elevated that issue of everyone feels like they can be a content creator or have breakdowns of these things and so everyone's coming out with their own reviews of a game that tear it down before it even has a chance to do anything even if the game itself is fun i think hood is the perfect example of this right now the game is fun right i think the majority of people that i've seen online say that the game is fun but it has issues and so everyone can only focus on the issues instead of the fact that they're having fun playing the game it's yeah it's like the i tweeted this out a couple days ago but i said hey here's a great idea if you want to personally review a game pick it up play it is it good are you having fun good review are you not having fun okay it's bad then it's like yeah like you get to listen to all these people i think we talk about the class week or something but go listen to all these people but i mean i i've look at how many people are calling hood shit and i'm still like you said i'm still playing i'm having fun so it's just have fun with a game and if you join cool play it unfortunately i guess with these multiplayer games nowadays it's a big deal with player base and player count and even if you're the one having fun there might not be enough people to play that goes the other way too like um my my example will be outriders i have zero complaints about outriders i thought it was i think they did everything really well i just didn't enjoy playing the game like i didn't was it having that much fun playing outriders so i didn't ended up not buying it i didn't go give them a shitty review though i was just not this game is not for me moved on and luckily i didn't have to spend any way to find that out yeah and there's there's a difference we've actually been talking about it in my discord this week there's a difference between you not liking something and it being bad right there there is a personal taste involved in that and sure so there is some crossover occasionally that you can say i don't like this because it's bad but you can just not like something and it's still be good outside of that i think outriders is the perfect example it's kind of a some people like this some people won't but the game itself is a is a solid idea of what it was trying to be yeah and hood seems to be a weird situation where people just love to shit on that game if they don't like it just don't play it i don't i don't know it's so bizarre man i don't get it i think if you don't like it within the first couple hours just get a refund from steam and move on you care that much uh i think the like prime example that we have in recent history that i think is more applicable to more people is cyberpunk 2077 right now um i absolutely adore the game right i had so much fun playing through it i played through the campaign three or four times went through it all and had a great time playing it does it have its issues no question it has its issues but i still had fun playing it and i would have left it a positive review despite the issues because of that concept i felt like that game it was like the thing to do to shit on it to just constantly be like oh yeah because of its issues it's just a bad game and it was just like and if you you almost became an outcast if you did like the game despite its issues like it was a weird kind of time to be in of everybody hating just kind of bandwagoning hate about a game even if it was fun for a good chunk of players right is is there even a game out there that's just perfect and everyone just loves doesn't have some kind of small issue that someone's gonna bring up team fortress too i guess yeah uh huh the only thing of a game that i can't remember real negative feedback being on maybe it's just the way people are you know mentalities are heading nowadays with it's just gotta be perfect oh no it's a weird situation though because you got all these indie games that are extremely popular that don't really fit the popular bill like the graphics aren't there the some of them are straight up eight bit but but they're funds and people enjoy them so they end up getting really great reviews which is weird because it seems like there is no middle ground between the two things right you're either expected to be this absolutely pristine perfect game or you're allowed to have your flaws and will love you anyway for it but there is no middle ground between those two camps like and it's you'll see the same people shit on cyberpunk that then love these indie games that come out like celeste and things like that that aren't graphically intensive or aren't like there it's just weird to see the the both sides of that coin it might be the craft beer effect where people think that just because a beer was made by Budweiser that it can't be possibly be good whereas any shitty craft beer that they try those claim that it's great even though they're incredibly sick it's the best thing ever yeah there are some really great craft beers out there like celeste is fantastic and grease fantastic and that those are those are the indie games that fucking pop up into my mind but just because some indie games are really good and inventive doesn't mean that the AAA studios can't make something good like they can like they've proven that they can you don't have to shit on every single thing that a AAA studio puts out just because it's a AAA studio yeah and you don't need to reward indie studios for being indie right like every exactly yeah they actually have to produce something that's worth being hyped up about at the same time so it's you can have the elements of both on the other side for sure review games for for what they are for for games if you had fun playing it yes exactly what you started out this conversation with jelly yeah and it's fair to like point out the flaws like yeah I could sure like there's problems and you know constant's gonna come but like look at it as yeah it's going to come and enjoy it for what we got right now it's you know it's again it's been two weeks three weeks almost three weeks like come on man and every time they post something online it's like up dead game well moving on like next thing whatever three or two four I think like dev blogs already talking about the game they clearly are listening and watching yeah no they're just being people are just ridiculous yeah gamers are a fickle group indeed speaking of I can't wait to see the assassination change read me and mangoes were have a good time yesterday side note I was hitting a million and I mean a million sticky grenades with John just left and right just sticky sticky I'm out here that was how I played John I need to hit them with a hammer and I had that one good game with Robin that's going to make me want to be so excited about Robin now he's like dude I see why so much fun while you play and snipe the people across the map when you land those shots I think that's probably the best feeling in that game oh yeah it's finally Robin and landing like two headshots in a row and you're like oh yeah I'm feeling good right now I'm nice yeah I kind of I saw a took sliding down the rope and I shot my arrow at the bottom of the rope and got a head shot it just as he got to the bottom I was like oh oh that's nice oh yeah all right Raven what you got you go with that all right yeah so I'll talk quick about fault I mean so I'm an ADC man and coming from I tried I don't remember if I tried predecessor predecessor at this point first before fault but playing fault it when it first came out a year ago it was really weird I didn't like I just the whole game itself felt off but I mean I'm sure many other people felt the same way and then even up until now it's like there's no real notification of like oh I'm about to die like you just kind of die whereas like I guess like yeah you have like the heartbeat whatever but it's not as obvious as it was like in prior games or whatever and hitting auto attack feels weird because it's it's hit scan I think in fault so it's instant it goes right where we're going I think in predecessor it has a little bit of like a skill shot element to it where you could there is some kind of travel time to it which I actually prefer and just directly comparing those two iterations of this game yeah I just had more fun playing ADC in predecessor now to be fair I now I've played Twin Blast Meridoc rim and now I just tried sparrow for fault and what a difference because sparrow is fucking busted no one told me this she's got two slows and then the stacking and damage obviously but that that's that's always been like that but and by the way side now I found a bug with her if you're attacking minions or and then at least the blue and like green and gold buffs the stacking damage actually decreases every time you hit an auto attack it'll go down and I visibly saw that but when I went to Raptor it visibly went up like it should be I don't know how it was in towers and players and really noticed but so yeah and then mangoes told me to build this one item the saber thing that lets you do the dash and it's got like the most physical damage once I had that and yeah that game I play on sparrow I was popping off I was like okay now I feel good again but the other characters I had my moments and then later on the game it feels like I kind of fall off almost when that's should be the opposite with ADC and then you're sitting there and then you all have kind of like the same items you go like grave diggers boots tykes fire cannon and then you go like jar hearts for another lifesteal thing or maybe devourers blade which I think is kind of useless on ADC to be honest but it's just it I don't know like it's games out a year and there's now starting to get new items but it still just kind of feels stale to me and like I had more fun playing jungle there's like a savorog or or grocks or something so far even Richter I was playing Richter jungle last night that was kind of fun so it just it feels feels weird to me right now I think in fault and granted it's been a little while since I've played consistently but fault that the two lanes or roles that have the most diversity in builds is offline in jungle from what I've seen and played it felt like mid lane and the carry support are pretty much the same build almost every game because that's what you have to run but like to be to be viable when I was making builds consistently for fault and putting them out on reddit and all of that basically all the carries had the same build maybe with one item difference depending and most of the mid laners had a very very similar build because the item diversity is just not there yeah and even like the the kits themselves or just for the heroes are not that different you know bellica you got two damaging spells and the powerful getting you have two damaging spells and a powerful gadget you have two damaging spells and a powerful oh like it's just it goes on and on even with the carries you know it's to get so yeah I don't know maybe I'm just waiting for something or I'm just really still on that train of like I still kind of need something new for these kind of games or I'm just still missing revenant that I keep complaining about every day maybe one day I get to play him again who knows yeah I will say as a support main if you're not building bot d first blessings of the divine and fault then you're wrong like everybody rushes that item it's the most powerful item in the entire game like you can completely negate a wombo combo by pressing one button and everybody builds it and like there needs to be there needs to be something else and need to be something different there yeah it's I think to an extent in predecessors last test in October they had the same problem where it became that almost every lane yes they did maybe the junglers brand the same thing every single game because that's just what you had to run to be at the highest level of that character now they did have some they introduced some of a pretty a pretty big variety of items into the last pred test because I know I have a lot of fun making like some weird builds for our bash yeah are you which one are you referring to jelly with the same build was that the last one they just had the one prior yeah the one the one they just did most recently okay because what he's saying yeah they did introduce new items and I did actually experiment and felt that when I was playing sparrow and that with these newer items she actually was doing something because before that she felt useless because of those items they sucked they were all the same but there were a couple new ones that made her feel a little bit better I'll say that I think the items they added helped but didn't didn't make it enough difference right because those new items basically became the items that everybody ran instead of the previous ones in a lot of cases yeah not much diversity of build in either game really yeah just we're all still kind of waiting for that then maybe one day or maybe I'll just play kings on the super diverse when is the next game I have any info on the next kings hunt play though the only thing that I have seen oh I'm already in discord that's why but I can't look ah the only thing I've seen is that they posted in their general discord Teemo the CEO guy he posted a new screenshot and it just looked a lot more higher res and graphically better than what it has been okay it was them running out of the fog wall none of the heroes just the minions and the fucking slug turret bubble shooting thing okay cool right so they said something soon I don't know we're looking at assumed TM with them now great is that about wrapping up for you Raven or yeah that's it for me man cool right on let's uh move on to plugs jelly you got anything to plug comments we're not doing comments comments oh comments my bad oh and goose gee this guy I could roll right into one because we're just talking about fault but Fortster was talking about like expression skill and he's talking about this everywhere that ended up happening where everything was a stack no matter if you killed it with an ability or not and so for someone who mastered seven paragon yeah that was boring as fuck because you just sat there and you just if could you form better you know that was what it was so at least it right now and fall kind of feels a little better I just think their stack numbers are a little crazy your max stack has to be 350 that takes a really long time but maybe it's because I'm playing jungles have I'm not sure and I guess most people play him in the off lane but yeah like that it shouldn't just because at that point you just turn into a time thing like as long as the game keeps going you're gonna get to that point whereas if it was let me get like only siphon stacks which would be tough but make them a higher count and then drop your overall stack countdown then it becomes okay now I can do what I do in the jungle where I'm whittling down these minions and I stack all them with one siphon and I get a lot from that and then by like maybe the you know 20 25 maybe 30 minute mark I'm already at max stacks because I'm just doing it that well yeah I agree that's you know we games games need that for sure I really hope we can see that I mean another comment from Fordster kind of what we talked about more today in depth is that games will not be perfect they won't appeal to everyone and that's okay if it's not you it's not your cup of tea then you can leave you don't have to play it you can do your own thing you do you right but give people the chance to decide for themselves instead of feeling like you have to go out there and gatekeep whether or not somebody likes a game or not right like if I go in and say like I hate League of Legends and everybody looks at me like no screw you like whatever like it's ridiculous what interesting interesting comment from Colin Healy about the difference between smite and paragon the uh was the camera effect I think yeah I think that that played a lot into it paragon really felt visceral when you're you hit ability or whether when you got hit by something smite it just it feels like it goes out and there's an effect and that's it yeah you have the complete opposite to a paragon that was the realistic game you had the z axis uh you know it felt like an action game you were playing and then yeah you go to smite and that's I mean the graphics are good and all but they it's a different style it's a little more cartoony I guess and yeah there's no feedback it's not a lot of feedback so it kind of feels like an arcade game to me all right yeah cool now is that it is there another segment I'm not I'm not remembering are you gonna say shouts out to the the tens of fault youtubers takes the shirt off on video segment oh oh shit okay yeah the tens of tens of fault youtubers tens of fault youtubers that's it all right uh jelly anything to plug just the youtube more videos this week youtube videos coming out this week yeah so excited about those lots of in-depth stuff but that's about it for me right Raven uh I feel like the hood content uh I'm still pumping out a lot new stuff for that had the robin montage that did pretty well and I just came out the first in my revival series from five years ago called outlaws 101 where I'm going to go through and do like a short synapse of each outlaw but also poking fun at the game so yeah it was really good you're you're robin when thank you yeah and a lot of fun with that one it was funny and informative just the way I like it I actually got a comment on reddit the guy was saying yeah this is really good it's a good mix of like informative and funny yeah I was like okay yeah reddit elitist coming out of here what about you mangur yeah same old shit yeah yeah plug yourself up your nose plug it throw in a bunch of a youtuber yeah that'll be it um hope you guys enjoyed that if you have any comments that you want us to go over next time and I promise jelly won't forget even though I did yeah it'll be on it'll be on jelly's channel next week but uh yeah um I hope you guys had a good time and uh you guys have a good one I had no idea how to close it out this time I thought you were for sure gonna say and join us as we enter the ether man gooo shout out to foolish blood hunter and fereth for becoming members of the channel